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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy pros Football Podcast. I'm Ryan,

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Speaker 1: Warmly joined by Pat fitz Morris. Just a two man show.

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Speaker 1: Today we are talking running backs fits. This is a

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Speaker 1: show that I forget who was on it, but we

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Speaker 1: did do this. Some combination of us did this show

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Speaker 1: last year. We're running it back again this year, identifying

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Speaker 1: breakout RB ones. These are guys who have not been

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Speaker 1: in RB one before. So, for example, the first segment today,

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Speaker 1: we are going to be talking about some guys who

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Speaker 1: are currently ranked as RB twos that we think of

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Speaker 1: RB one potential. There are names in there that we

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Speaker 1: would pick if we could, but we are not eligible

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Speaker 1: because they have already done it before. We are only

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Speaker 1: considering names who have never once been in RB one.

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Speaker 2: Does that make sense to you?

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Speaker 3: It does make sense? Worm and uh man. All right,

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Speaker 3: I gotta flip the switch back into football because there's

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Speaker 3: been so much going on in the sporting world not

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Speaker 3: related to football. We've had the Knicks win their first

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Speaker 3: NBA title since nineteen seventy three, the Carolina Panthers, excuse me,

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Speaker 3: Carolina Hurricanes just won the Stanley Cup last night. What

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Speaker 3: else this World Cup going on? Us open is this week.

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Speaker 3: But you know, of course, I'm still thinking about NFL

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Speaker 3: football every day and have two or three best ball

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Speaker 3: drafts going on at any given time, so NFL is

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Speaker 3: never too far off our thoughts.

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Speaker 1: You didn't mention the fact that we are also locked

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Speaker 1: in a battle to earn the third seed in our

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Speaker 1: work fantasy baseball league as well. You and I are

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Speaker 1: in a group of a couple of players who are

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Speaker 1: fighting for spots two and three. We only three teams

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Speaker 1: to make the playoffs in this it's kind of a

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Speaker 1: weird format, and we are among the four teams fighting

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Speaker 2: So that's another fun one as well. So yeah, a

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Speaker 1: A buddy of mine got to go to the Scotland

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Speaker 1: Haiti Game World Cup through his work, which was he

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Speaker 1: said was really incredible. I watched the Knicks win the

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Speaker 1: championship at a bar with some Knicks fans. I wasn't

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Speaker 1: there with them, they just happened to be at the

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Speaker 1: bar also, and one of the guys is a lot

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Speaker 1: older and you can tell like he has been waiting

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Speaker 1: for this for like decades, and it was like really

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Speaker 1: cool to see the emotion come through with the final buzzer. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a lot of sports going on. It's a great, great

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Speaker 1: call by you. It's an interesting time of year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the World Cup is awesome and it has made

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Speaker 3: Twitter a fun place to be. The Scots taking over

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Speaker 3: Mexican hosts. Just so many good videos of like the

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Speaker 3: world coming together for the World Cup. So that's been

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Speaker 3: a blast to see.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been super fun to see the positivity there.

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Speaker 1: Obviously there's been some negativity with some of that stuff

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Speaker 2: Let's jump into the show. Here.

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Speaker 1: A quicker reminder for everybody that all of our twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six consensus rankings and tiers can be found at

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Speaker 1: fantasypros dot com. Slash rankings will be operating off of

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Speaker 1: those rankings here today when referencing where some of these

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Speaker 1: guys are. By the way, we're using their half PPR

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Speaker 1: rankings for clarity. Obviously, at running back, you know, that's

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Speaker 2: We're looking at half PPR here, so let's go through.

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Speaker 1: There are six names here in sort of this RB

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Speaker 1: two with RB one potential.

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Speaker 2: Rather than you pick your favor.

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Speaker 1: Since it's just the two of us, what I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: do is gonna list each of them for you in

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Speaker 1: order here and you will kind of agree or disagree that, hey,

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Speaker 1: these are a player that you see as really having

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Speaker 1: RB one potential this season. You can kind of highlight

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Speaker 1: ones who are eligible. It's half of the RB two's

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Speaker 1: the top RB thirteen to the highest ranked RB two,

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Speaker 1: that's Jeremiah Love. Obviously, he has never been in RB

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Speaker 1: see you know, Asha genty a year ago as this

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Speaker 2: Wear you out on Love?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know how he's going to rate at

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Speaker 3: the end of the season relative to genty and what

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Speaker 3: This is my favorite pick for most likely to finish

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Speaker 3: there have been eight running backs selected with top twelve

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Speaker 3: Those eight running backs averaged fourteen one hundred and seventy

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Speaker 3: But drafting Love is a great way to capitalize on

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Speaker 1: We talked a lot during sort of the height of

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Speaker 2: First round, they are usually hit on that.

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Speaker 1: Now there's always questions about, like is that a valuable

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Speaker 2: That's definitely a theme. There are some older.

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Speaker 1: nineteen right now. Camp Scataboo is, of course a second

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Speaker 3: it's mainly just a matter of his health. And yeah,

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Speaker 3: Although he is expected to be ready. It was I

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Speaker 3: we know that Skataboo is not going to make any

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Speaker 3: you know, it seems like that workload is going to

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Speaker 3: be there for him, I do think he has a

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Speaker 2: Where's he ranked for you?

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Speaker 3: I'm somewhat in line. I mean, I recognize the risk here.

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Speaker 3: I have got him RB twenty no excuse me, RB

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Speaker 3: twenty one, But I think I'm going to move him

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Speaker 3: up past David Montgomery and maybe Javante Williams too. I'm

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Speaker 3: going to do that right now. In fact, so he's

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Speaker 3: going to be RB nineteen for me.

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Speaker 1: You like him better than Javante, That's interesting. I would

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Speaker 1: Johntay obviously not eligible for this discussion today, just because

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Speaker 1: he's already been in RB one in his career. But

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Speaker 1: I think I like Javontae, like pretty clearly better than Skataboo,

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Speaker 1: just like I mean, almost entirely driven that injury factor.

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Speaker 2: You have really kind of brought me around on Bucky.

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Speaker 1: I was kind of going into this season thinking that

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Speaker 2: Let's go to a second year running back here, Quinn

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Speaker 3: He had the dislocated ankle and fractured tibia or fibula.

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Speaker 3: Sure, and I mean we get optimism on so many

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Speaker 3: grain of salt. That's why everyone needs to stay tuned

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Speaker 3: to the NFL News and check the Fantasy Pros NFL

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Speaker 3: News feed throughout the off season.

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Speaker 2: For sure.

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Speaker 1: Two more running backs here in this range that have

438
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Speaker 1: not ever been in RB one before. Next one up

439
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Speaker 1: is currently ranked RB twenty two. That is DeAndre Swift.

440
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Speaker 1: He's a player who has had a reasonably high floor

441
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Speaker 1: in his career in terms of you know, just the

442
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Speaker 1: season stats. In fact, he has finished as an RB

443
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Speaker 1: two all six seasons of his career. He has been

444
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Speaker 1: RB eighteen, nineteen, twenty two, twenty three, nineteen and fifteen.

445
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Speaker 2: That's in half PPR scoring.

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Speaker 1: So he has never been in RB one, but he

447
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,880
Speaker 1: has been between RB fifteen and RB twenty three every year,

448
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 1: and RB fifteen was what he did last year. That's

449
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Speaker 1: his best finish that he's had. So do you see

450
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Speaker 1: that as a you know, upward movement. He's on a

451
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Speaker 1: trajectory where even sort of later in his career, later

452
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Speaker 1: relative to being a running back, he's taking a step

453
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Speaker 1: forward in this Ben Johnson offense. Do you see that

454
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Speaker 1: as more of a fluke and he kind of falls

455
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Speaker 1: back to that back end range? Is Swift somebody that

456
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Speaker 1: you can get behind as a guy with RB one potential?

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Speaker 3: I could get behind him as a guy with RB

458
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Speaker 3: one potential. I don't know if he does it short

459
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Speaker 3: of an injury to Kyle Managhuy. It just seems that

460
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Speaker 3: Ben Johnson is committed to a two man backfield and

461
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Speaker 3: kind of always has been. I mean, we saw it

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Speaker 3: with Jumior Gibbs and David Montgomery Detroit during Ben Johnson's

463
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Speaker 3: three seasons there. We saw last year in Chicago with

464
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Speaker 3: Swift and Kyle manang guy. But the good news is

465
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Speaker 3: that Ben Johnson might be the single best designer of

466
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Speaker 3: running games running game choreographer in the NFL. I mean,

467
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Speaker 3: he is really good at it. The Bears were number

468
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Speaker 3: three in running DVOA last year. Only the Rams and

469
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Speaker 3: the Bills were better. In his three years as Detroit's

470
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Speaker 3: offensive coordinator, the Lions ranked twelfth, fourth and second in

471
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Speaker 3: rushing DVA. The Bears were third in rushing yardage last season.

472
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Speaker 3: They were thirteen yards per carry four point nine. Chicago

473
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Speaker 3: was twenty second in pass right over expected and had

474
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Speaker 3: the eleventh highest percentage of running place. Ben Johnson likes

475
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Speaker 3: to run, his teams are generally good at it, so

476
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Speaker 3: it's just a really good environment for a running back.

477
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Speaker 3: And Swift gave us something approaching in RB one season

478
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Speaker 3: last year. I just think it's going to be Swift

479
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Speaker 3: as an RB two in manogai as like RB two

480
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Speaker 3: RB three, unless one of them gets hurt and all

481
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Speaker 3: of a sudden the workload increases for the healthy one,

482
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Speaker 3: then there's RB one potential.

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Speaker 1: We obviously don't want an injury to happen, but let's

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Speaker 1: just pretend for a second that kyleman Ungui has some

485
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Speaker 1: bad injuries out for the season. Where would you be

486
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Speaker 1: ranking Swift in that scenario where they're not adding somebody

487
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Speaker 1: else instead, Like, let's say this happens in late August, right,

488
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Speaker 1: there's not time to go out and sign somebody else

489
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Speaker 1: and it's just now so backfield, fully, is he ranked

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Speaker 1: inside the top twelve for you? Or is he just

491
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Speaker 1: higher than he is now but still not quite at

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Speaker 1: that top twelve spot because it's pretty strong top twelve

493
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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm putting him somewhere in that instance between and ten,

495
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 3: still gonna be behind Jonathan Taylor, who is my running

496
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Speaker 3: back six as of now. I would have to figure

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Speaker 3: out where I would rank Deandros Swift versus Kenneth Walker,

498
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Speaker 3: Omarion Hampton, Devon h Chan, and i'd have him and

499
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Speaker 3: head of Jeremiah Love, who is my current RB ten

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say Chase Brown and Saquan are also

502
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Speaker 1: in that seven to ten range right now in consensus rankings,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm.

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Speaker 3: A little lower on those there. Those are the back

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Speaker 3: end RB one's for me, eleven and twelve.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, obviously we super did not want

507
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Speaker 1: an injury, but Swift is would be set to really

508
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Speaker 1: take advantage. Just something where to happen, and same as

509
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Speaker 1: true of Manungui. If something were to happen to Swift,

510
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 1: they kind of do cannibalize each other just a bit.

511
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Speaker 1: But obviously, I mean again, he was RB fifteen last year,

512
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Speaker 1: so that was with Manungai having a pretty good season.

513
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Speaker 1: So there's room for upside here even if he doesn't

514
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Speaker 1: quite reach RB one level. One more name in this

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Speaker 1: range at RB twenty three, it's Traveon Henderson, one of

516
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Speaker 1: your favorites.

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Speaker 2: Fits. Do you see him having.

518
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Speaker 1: A decent chance at becoming an RB one in twenty

519
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Speaker 1: twenty six.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, we saw what happened in the playoffs

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Speaker 3: last year where it was just the Remandre Stevenson show,

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Speaker 3: and I think a lot of that had to do

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Speaker 3: with pass blocking and their confidence in Stevenson's ability to

524
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Speaker 3: help out Drake May since that offensive line was not

525
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 3: exactly air tight on the stretch last year and they

526
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Speaker 3: just had a murder's row of defenses that they were

527
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Speaker 3: facing in the playoffs. And weirdly enough, Henderson was kind

528
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Speaker 3: of touted for being the best pass blocker among the

529
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Speaker 3: running back class of twenty twenty five, just didn't really

530
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Speaker 3: translate from college. I think he could still be a

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Speaker 3: good pass blocker, we just didn't see it in his

532
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Speaker 3: rookie year. Didn't make that transition very well in that

533
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Speaker 3: facet of his game, but in the other facets of

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Speaker 3: the game as a runner and receiver, like we saw,

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Speaker 3: Henderson look sensational over a three game stretch at least

536
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Speaker 3: last year. Week nine to week eleven averaged one hundred

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Speaker 3: ten scrimmage yards per game, two touchdowns. Then later in

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Speaker 3: week fifteen, Ramond So week nine to week eleven, I

539
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 3: think Stevenson was out, Week fifteen, Stevenson was playing. Henderson

540
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 3: still had one hundred and forty eight rushing yards and

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Speaker 3: two touchdowns against the Bills in that game. So we

542
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Speaker 3: did get several weeks of running back one production from

543
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Speaker 3: Henderson and he looked as explosive as advertised. He offers

544
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Speaker 3: something as a pass catcher. So yeah, it's just a

545
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Speaker 3: matter of what the Patriots do as far as the

546
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 3: workload distribution in that backfield. Again, probably a case where

547
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Speaker 3: Stevenson is healthy all season, there's not much of a

548
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Speaker 3: path for Henderson to be in RB one. But if

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Speaker 3: anything happened to Stevenson, there's absolutely a path.

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Speaker 1: Trevion was given at least twelve carries six times last season,

551
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Speaker 1: you excuse me, seven times last season. In those seven games,

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Speaker 1: he had four top seven finishes, three inside the top

553
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: like when he got not even like crazy workload, but

554
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: just like at least twelve carries, you had a better

555
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: than fifty percent chance that he was finishing in the

556
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Speaker 1: top eight at his position that week. Just really good,

557
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: really explosive. It's almost funny to look like he was

558
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: RB nineteen in half PPR scoring on the season last year.

559
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: That almost that feels surprising given that you know just

560
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: how little work he got early, given the way it

561
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: finished the playoffs, whichbviously doesn't play into the scoring, but

562
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,719
Speaker 1: is you know, fresher in people's memories. But these spike

563
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: weeks really carried his season long stats. Like you get

564
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Speaker 1: to the end of the season and you're like, he

565
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Speaker 1: had nine hundred rushing yards, nine touchdowns, throwing a couple

566
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Speaker 1: hundred receiving yards and a receiving touchdown in there as well,

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Speaker 1: Like that's not a bad rookie season at all.

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Speaker 2: You get it felt like.

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Speaker 1: Disappointment because of how it's so much of it just

570
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: came in that stretch in the middle. But yeah, the

571
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Speaker 1: upside is enormous. I mean, he had four games from

572
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 1: Week ten on with multiple touchdowns score. Those are just

573
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Speaker 1: spike weeks that like, even setting aside whether or not

574
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Speaker 1: he finishes as an RB one this season, those are

575
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Speaker 1: the types of we that win you matchups in a

576
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,479
Speaker 1: fantasy season, like spike weeks, and those big explosive plays

577
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: go a lot further than a bad week hurts you.

578
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: It helps you a lot more to have those weeks

579
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: than the bad weeks might knock you down. So like

580
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: the week winning upside very apparent for tree Van Henderson

581
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Speaker 1: because he did it multiple times, even in a disappointing year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just it's his misfortune to be paired with

583
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 3: a good NFL running back in Romandra Stevenson. Like, as

584
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 3: good as Henderson might be this year, the Patriots aren't

585
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Speaker 3: just going to totally shelve Remondre. He's too good for that.

586
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 3: So Henderson is going to have to produce in sort

587
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 3: of a shared role. But then again, he's been doing

588
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 3: that for a while. I mean, he did that in

589
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 3: his final year at Ohio State when he was sharing

590
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 3: the backfield with Quinn Shawn Judkins. I don't think he

591
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 3: ever had more than twelve carries in a game in

592
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 3: his final college season, so it might have to be that.

593
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,959
Speaker 3: But the good thing is that Henderson has proven he

594
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Speaker 3: can produce on a limited number of cares.

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Speaker 1: And maybe this will be the year where Ramandre's fumbles

596
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: do get him off the field.

597
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 3: And that's been an issue for Mandre for sure.

598
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, Henderson. Henderson, He's just a fun player

599
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: to have. I think because the weeks that they're good,

600
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: they're going to be really really good, and maybe we

601
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: get more of that this year. Maybe the past blocking

602
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: is a little more trustworthy this year, you know, all

603
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: that fun stuff.

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00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 3: Do you like him more or less than David Montgomery

605
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 3: this year?

606
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 2: Or I like him more?

607
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 1: I do wonder if, especially this time of year, I

608
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: tend to still be kind of transitioning away from so

609
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: heavy on rookie draft season and dynasty thinking into redraft shows.

610
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: Obviously we're still doing dynasty shows, but it's very easy

611
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: for me to go, well, of course you'd rather have Henderson,

612
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: he's so much younger, But like for just this season,

613
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: the opportunity I think will be there for Montgomery and Houston,

614
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: and I really like the I just think the Texans

615
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: are going to be really good this year, like with

616
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Speaker 1: the defense and every thing and the ability to run

617
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: the ball. Will I think go a long way with Montgomery,

618
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: and I think it'll help Stroud. I think it'll help

619
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Speaker 1: the offensive line if they can, if they can just

620
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: kind of rely on his physicality a little bit better.

621
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Speaker 1: But Montgomery would have been an interesting thought experiment for this.

622
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Speaker 1: He has been inn RB one before, so it wasn't

623
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Speaker 1: eligible for the exercise so by the fact that he's

624
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Speaker 1: ranked inside this range, but it came back in twenty

625
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: twenty he was RB four. He has not been on

626
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Speaker 1: RB one in any other season of his long career,

627
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Speaker 1: so almost like spiritually could have been a part of

628
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Speaker 1: this episode and this exercise is a guy who maybe,

629
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,719
Speaker 1: like with the opportunity he'll get with the Texans, will

630
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: kind of take that step forward. But having said all that,

631
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: like it just feels like the upside is higher with Henderson.

632
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,479
Speaker 1: That might be a bit of a fallacy honestly, and

633
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: just kind of like following the shiny new toy and

634
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: the flashy like really fun Spike weeks and ignoring what

635
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: the opportunity is really going to look like what do

636
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Speaker 1: you think between the two? I mean, like I said,

637
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Speaker 1: I Eileen Henderson, but I don't know that that's the

638
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: right decision.

639
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, the internal debate is raging for me right now.

640
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 3: I've got Montgomery ranked a little higher. Does feel like

641
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 3: sort of a floor play versus ceiling play thing, And

642
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 3: generally I lean toward the ceiling play in that regard.

643
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 3: But maybe Montgomery has a higher ceiling than we're giving

644
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 3: him credit for. I just think he's so well positioned

645
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 3: to average fifteen carries a game and add some pass

646
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 3: catching for the Texans, a team that with its great

647
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 3: defense is going to give the offense a lot of

648
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 3: run friendly game scripts.

649
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: I also feel like of all the players in this

650
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Speaker 1: range of kind of like he's OURB twenty four, So

651
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: in this kind of mid twenties range, he's the one

652
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Speaker 1: that I think has the best chance of Like, oh,

653
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Speaker 1: we look up and all of a sudden, he had

654
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Speaker 1: a fourteen touchdown season. Like again, I wouldn't like bet

655
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: on that, but he will have the opportunity. Again, I

656
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: think this is going to be a good team. I

657
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: still think CJ Strives a good quarterback Like, again, I

658
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: know the disaster in the playoffs is fresh in everybody's mind,

659
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: but like, I still think he's pretty good. I think

660
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: the offense will be better this year, and I think

661
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: Montgomery will get a huge percentage of the opportunity. I mean,

662
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: you have talked about how you're just not that impressed

663
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: with the guy like Woody Marx right in this backfield,

664
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: like Montgomery will have the opportunity to basically get as

665
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: many carries as he can handle, and I think particularly

666
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: near the goal line, he will take advantage of that

667
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: and they're going to have scoring opportunities. And again, I'm

668
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: not saying that you have to go out and bet

669
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Speaker 1: on this or anything, but it would not It would

670
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: be one of the less surprising guys in this range

671
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: for me to just have this really spike season in

672
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: terms of touchdown scoring.

673
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, early down role, there's really no one to contest

674
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 3: David Montgomery in Houston, Like that job is his. It's

675
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 3: just he's probably not going to plan most passing downs,

676
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: but that's fine with as much as he is going

677
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 3: to dominate early downs.

678
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Speaker 1: Before we get to our next breakout RB one candidate,

679
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Speaker 1: let me tell you exactly why you should be using

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681
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685
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686
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687
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688
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689
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693
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695
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696
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697
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698
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700
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701
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Speaker 3: The same. Yeah, I used to go into drafts just

702
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703
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706
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707
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and anybody who's been in a league for several

710
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711
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712
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you stuff like, hey.

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714
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715
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719
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Speaker 3: Good things happen when you let fantasy pros, when you

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Speaker 3: sink your leagues through.

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Speaker 2: Us, Yes, for sure, sinking which is free. By the way.

722
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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to some sleepers with a path.

723
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 2: These are guys.

724
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: Between RB twenty four and RB forty is kind of

725
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: the range we're looking at here. I'm just gonna have

726
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: you pick a couple of names that you really like here,

727
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you this. I told you this, you

728
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: know already before we started recording, but I'll say it

729
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: for the audience as well. I kind of went into

730
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: this since it was just two of us on the

731
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: show today, expecting to see whatever names you picked and

732
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: then throw out a couple of my own that I

733
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: wanted to kind of pitch you and.

734
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: See if you could like get behind them.

735
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: And then I was looking in this range and I

736
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: was like, you kind of took the ones I would

737
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: have wanted. Anyway, There really weren't like a whole lot

738
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: of names. So like one of them is like like

739
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: Jenarium Price you didn't have listed here. I could maybe

740
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: see pushing for a case for him, like if you know,

741
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: Charbonney doesn't come back till Thanksgiving, and you know he

742
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: just really does get all this opportunity Seattle maybe right,

743
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 1: you know, Blake Kram obviously like the path there would

744
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: be injury related with with Kirn, but it just felt

745
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: hard to get past you, Like Tony Pollard, Rico Dowdell,

746
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: Vermandre Stevenson. We just talked about, I don't want to

747
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: be making the cases for these guys, So you do

748
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: have a couple of names that you want to be

749
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: making the case for. But other than that, it's really

750
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: not a range that excites me all that much.

751
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 3: I get. It's, uh, yeah, do you want me to

752
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 3: hit you with a couple of these mens?

753
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 2: Go ahead, all right.

754
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 3: Jalen Warren is one for sure. So I know that

755
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 3: Rico Dowdell is viewed as a potential form in Warren's side.

756
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 3: And there is a history between Rico Dowdell and Mike McCarthy,

757
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 3: the new Pittsburgh coach. Dowdell was the became the lead

758
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 3: running back and had a thousand yard season in McCarthy's

759
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 3: last year in Dallas. So I get it. But I

760
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 3: do think in the Pittsburgh backfield, Aaron Rodgers is the

761
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 3: prism through which we should be looking at this backfield.

762
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 3: So Rogers is now just completely immobile and seems less

763
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 3: willing than ever to stand in the pocket and take hits,

764
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: and he is going to want to play with a

765
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 3: running back who can number one protect him and number

766
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 3: two be an outlet for him when the heat is

767
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 3: on and he just test to download the ball quickly.

768
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Speaker 3: And I think that's Warren so much more than Rico

769
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 3: Dowdell Steelers. We saw this last year. Steelers running backs

770
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 3: accounted for twenty five point four percent of team targets.

771
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 3: That was the second highest percentage in the league home

772
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 3: behind only the forty nine Ers, who of course have

773
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey. Warren has averaged two point six receptions per

774
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 3: game for his career one point four to one yards

775
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 3: per route run for his career. Dowell one point four

776
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 3: catches a game for his career one point zero five

777
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 3: yards per route run, so clearly is the better pass catcher.

778
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 3: And then as far as past blocking, PFF gave Warren

779
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,479
Speaker 3: a pass blocking grade of seventy two last season, which

780
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 3: is very good. Dowbell a pass blocking grade from PFF

781
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 3: twenty four point six, which is terrible. So my money

782
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 3: is on Warren being the primary back in Pittsburgh. I

783
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 3: think there could be a big gap in production between

784
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 3: Warren and Dowdell. Like right now, our ADP has them

785
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 3: two spots apart at running back and just half a

786
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 3: round apart, whereas in my rankings they're like multiple rounds apart,

787
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 3: and I think I've worn eight or nine spots higher

788
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 3: in the running back rank.

789
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Speaker 1: Where is Warren ranks three. Specifically, he is RB twenty

790
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: six in ECR and half VPR.

791
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 3: That's where I'm at. It's more thatan a fade of

792
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 3: doubtle more so than the you know.

793
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 2: Eight He's at RB thirty one in ECR.

794
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 3: Doubtle is yeah, so for me, Dowbdell is at thirty six. Okay,

795
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, I just I do think the but it

796
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 3: could be much more pronounced than people expect. Whether Warren

797
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,479
Speaker 3: has like an easy path to RB one, I don't

798
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 3: know about that, but I think he's going to catch

799
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: a lot of balls this year.

800
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Honestly, I'm not that interested in Warren, But it's

801
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: less that I think he's mispriced and more just like

802
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: I don't know about the upside getting there. Again, this

803
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: is a range I don't feel that strongly about a

804
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: lot of these guys. So I'm not saying it's a

805
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: bad choice by you compared to some of the other names.

806
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: But your other name here is Kyle Mnungai. And that's

807
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: when I mean we talked about a little bit with

808
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: Swift I'm very on board with this one though.

809
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've already laid out the case when we were

810
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 3: talking about DeAndre Swift earlier of how much Ben Jonson

811
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 3: likes to run the ball, on how very good his

812
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 3: teams are at it, and then we saw Manonga have

813
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 3: a really impressive rookie season, especially for a seventh rounder

814
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 3: last year, seven hundred and eighty three rushing yards, five

815
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 3: TD runs and really wasn't a complete zero in the

816
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 3: passing game, even though he didn't catch many passages during

817
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 3: his college career Rutgers. Maybe there's some more upside there,

818
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 3: although I don't know if he's ever going to be

819
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 3: a guy who catches fifty or sixty balls here, but yeah,

820
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 3: eighteen catches last year for one hundred and sixty four yard.

821
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 3: It's not terrible. He is just a no nonsense runner

822
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 3: and he is really hard to bring down because this

823
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 3: guy runs angry. So according to next Gens stats, there

824
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 3: were only four other running backs who averaged less time

825
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 3: behind the line of scrimmage last year. Like he gets

826
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 3: the ball, he is north south and you know, kind

827
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 3: of looking to If he can't elude people, he'll try

828
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 3: to run you over. Even though he's kind of a

829
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 3: smaller guy like this dude is really tough to bring down.

830
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 3: I'm just once again, I think the path to manong

831
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 3: guy being an RB one would have to be DeAndre

832
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 3: Swift getting hurt. But he's a guy who's currently I

833
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 3: think a solid value where he's being drafted, and the

834
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 3: hidden upside is what would happen if Swift ever missed

835
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Speaker 3: any time.

836
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Speaker 1: I think that's the key is he doesn't need Swift

837
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Speaker 1: to get hurt to outperform this ranking, but he's not

838
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: going to get to RB one status without an injury.

839
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Speaker 1: But that's I mean again, we don't want an injury.

840
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: There's that contingent upside there, but there's also just upside.

841
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: I think in terms of scoring touchdowns, like he had

842
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 1: five rushing touchdowns last year, DeAndre Swift had nine. Swift

843
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: it was one of the second time in his career

844
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: he's ever had more than six. It hasn't been a

845
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: huge part of his game on the ground in the past,

846
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Speaker 1: and I could see a world where Manongay in year

847
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: two takes a bit of a step forward. You know,

848
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson just likes the north south approach when they

849
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 1: get close to the goal lot. I think his offense

850
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: is going to be awesome year two with Caleb and

851
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson pair it together, like, I think there could

852
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: be a lot of scoring opportunities. And I think manongay,

853
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: even if Swift stays healthy, the whole year could be

854
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: like a twelve touchdown guy this year as like a ceiling,

855
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: you know, not you know, like a ninety nine percent

856
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: maybe not ninety ninth, but like a ninetieth percentile outcome.

857
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's a guarantee to happen, but I

858
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: think there's a world where that happens for sure, even

859
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: if both guys are healthy, and then you bake in

860
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: the additional upside if one of them does get hurt

861
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,439
Speaker 1: for the other. And I think it's pretty excited because

862
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: you're right and you talked about it with Swift.

863
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 2: I'm not sure.

864
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, guys like McVeigh and Shanahan have earned

865
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt doing it for a really

866
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 1: long time, But I'm not sure there's too many names

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Speaker 1: I would prefer designing my team's run game than Ben

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00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 1: Johnson right now. He's so good at it and it's

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00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: so important to him that I think I just think

870
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 1: this is a backfield I really want to be targeting,

871
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: and the cost is not per heative. I mean, Manungay

872
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 1: in half VPR scoring was RB thirty last year as

873
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: a seventh round rookie, and he's being ranked lower than

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00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: that this year, when I think we could see a

875
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,479
Speaker 1: step forward again. Year two guys often are the types

876
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: of running backs that break out for the first time

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Speaker 1: in a significant way, and he's ranked RB thirty three.

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Speaker 1: I just think the upside's really intoxicating in this range.

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Speaker 2: I really like this.

880
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 3: Call fertile offensive environment. For sure, offensive line really good.

881
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 3: Might not be quite as good as it was last

882
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 3: year with the retired of center Chris Dolman and the

883
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 3: injury they had Ozzie Trapillo a Pateller injury, which is

884
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 3: always kind of tough, but still a lot of really

885
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 3: excellent pieces on this offensive line, and maybe a defense

886
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 3: that's going to force the Bears to push the pace

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00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,919
Speaker 3: a little bit on offense and probably going to score

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00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 3: a lot of points.

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00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: I think we probably agree that Manungai is the better value.

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00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: If the running back ahead of him on the chart

891
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: stays healthy, then Blake koram Is, who was one spot behind,

892
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: so like, if both backfields just stay totally healthy this year,

893
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: I think Manungai will be better than Koram. Who would

894
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: you like between those two better if the guy ahead

895
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: of him were to get hurt. I guess what I'm

896
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: saying is which contingent upside you think is higher between

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Speaker 1: Koram and Manunguy.

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00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 3: I think it's Coream, just because the Rams, I mean,

899
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 3: they're the heavy favorites to win the Super Bowl right now.

900
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 3: They're going to be playing with a lot of run

901
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 3: friendly game scripts now that they've got Miles Garrett leading

902
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 3: what should be a pretty excellent defense. Yeah, it's just

903
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 3: and we've seen, like Bram's running backs every year score

904
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 3: a lot of touchdowns, whether it's just Kyrone or some

905
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 3: combination of Kyrone and someone else, And it's just, yeah,

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00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 3: it's a little. As good as the offensive environment is

907
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 3: in Chicago, it's even better for the Rams in LA.

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Speaker 2: I think I agree.

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00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: I'd rather have anung guy if guys are healthy, but

910
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: I'd rather have Coorum if we were assuming.

911
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 2: Kind of that high end upside with the injury stuff.

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Speaker 1: All right, fits, we've got a couple of names here

954
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Speaker 1: to go. One sophomore breakout from you, and again I

955
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: kind of mentioned that this second year, third year running back,

956
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 1: we're talking about a second year one here is really

957
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: the rage that we want to be kind of targeting

958
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: most years to find these breakout RB ones. Who for

959
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: you stands out in that category obviously other than some

960
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: of the names we've already talked about who are and

961
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: during their second.

962
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 3: Season Baseial Touton and the Jaguars backfield is pretty ambiguous

963
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 3: as we head closer to training camp. So we've got Touton,

964
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 3: we've got Chris Rodriguez, who the Jaguars signed in the

965
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 3: off season in free agency. And we've got Leaquin Allen,

966
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: who is actually kind of a sneaky effective in some

967
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 3: ways third down back as a rookie. So there's a

968
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 3: lot to like about Tuton as a prospect, Like he's

969
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 3: super athletic, ran a four point three to two at

970
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: the combine, had a vertical jump of forty and a

971
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 3: half inches, not a tiny guy either only five nine

972
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 3: and a half but two hundred and six pounds. He's

973
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 3: pretty well built and like he'll bounce off contact, and

974
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 3: we like that he is in a Liam Cohen offense.

975
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 3: His leadbacks have been pretty productive. He Bucky Irving, who

976
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 3: we talked about earlier, had a great half season with

977
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 3: Liam Cohen as the offensive coordinator in Tampa Bay in

978
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. So about the competition though with Rodriguez

979
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 3: and LeQuinn Allen. So Rodriguez was the lead back for

980
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 3: Kentucky in twenty twenty one when Liam Cohen was the

981
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator there and Chris Rodriguez had thirteen hundred rushing yards,

982
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 3: so that's not nothing. There was a foot surgery, like

983
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 3: some sort of foot injury that Rodriguez sustained early in

984
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 3: the off season program for the Jaguars and had to

985
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 3: have an operation on it. Apparently he's expected to be

986
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 3: back in time for training camp, but that's something to watch.

987
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 3: And then you've got laquin Allen, who's a pretty good

988
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 3: pass catcher, was really good. He had I think sixty

989
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 3: four catches in his final college season at Syracuse, and

990
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 3: then last year he was pretty effective as a pass blocker.

991
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 3: He was on the field for sixty one pass blocking snaps,

992
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 3: allowed zero sacks and only three pressures, so he's good

993
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 3: at that. And the fear is that Teuton could get

994
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 3: caught in this squeeze where Rodriguez is getting some of

995
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 3: the early down work, the goal line work, and laquin

996
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 3: Allen is like the third down and long passing down

997
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:51,720
Speaker 3: back and so it's you know, where Tuton gets touches,

998
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 3: but they're not high value touches. But if Tuton is

999
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 3: just terrific and Liam Cohen decides to roll with them,

1000
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 3: he could addly be an RB one. It's just what

1001
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 3: sort of path does Liam Cohen get to. Does Liam

1002
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 3: Cohen want to have a main man or does he

1003
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 3: want this to be a true committee. And let's not

1004
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 3: forget like in twenty twenty four in Tampa Bay, William

1005
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 3: Cohen basically kicked Rashot White to the curb and just

1006
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 3: handed things over to Bucky and let Bucky rowl. You

1007
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 3: ever shot White played on passing downs for the most part,

1008
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 3: But there was still plenty of meat on the bone

1009
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,720
Speaker 3: for Bucky that year, and there could be for Tuton

1010
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 3: this year.

1011
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 2: Where's he ranked for you He's RB twenty five in ECR.

1012
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 3: Same here, Same here. The debate is Touton versus Jit

1013
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 3: Aarian Price. I've got Tooton to higher. He's twenty five.

1014
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 3: Price is twenty six for.

1015
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: Me, an ECR price is twenty seven. He's behind Tudon

1016
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: and Jalen Warren is right there at RB twenty six. Yeah, Tutin,

1017
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: Like we talked a lot about him this offseason in

1018
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: the Dynasty Show, and he has not been somebody that

1019
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: I've been like trying to go out and aggressively target

1020
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 1: or anything. I really like Chris Rodriguez and just like, Hey,

1021
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: he's been in a Liam Cohen offense before at Kentucky

1022
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: and just seems like the type of player that I

1023
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: think can just be solid, which might be all that

1024
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: this offense.

1025
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 2: Needs and is looking for.

1026
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: Tuden obviously gives you that explosion, and if he gets

1027
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: the opportunity, the ceiling could be like truly enormously high.

1028
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: I just I feel less like he's only two spots

1029
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: behind Travon Henderson in ECR. I feel like there's a

1030
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: gap between them in my head in terms of how

1031
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: likely they are to be able to tap into that

1032
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: speeding explosion on a consistent or more consistent basis be

1033
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 1: like a really big hit for fantasy drafts this year.

1034
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 2: Do you see a gap there?

1035
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you have them ranked in a similar spot

1036
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: to ECR, so maybe you don't see as wide of

1037
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: a gap, but I almost feel like that there's sort

1038
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: of a little bit of a step down there.

1039
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean it's just different profiles for sure, but

1040
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 3: maybe maybe a little bit of a step down.

1041
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, and then we're going to wrap things

1042
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 1: up with our bold call. So give me one running

1043
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: back outside the top forty that you want to make

1044
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: the case could finish as an RB. One obviously gets

1045
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 1: less and less likely the further down the rankings you go.

1046
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 2: I will tell you fits.

1047
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: I wanted to make a pick here as well, but

1048
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: you took the name that I would have chosen, so

1049
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: I think you made a good call.

1050
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Jonathan Brooks, who is currently outside our top

1051
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 3: forty at ECR among running backs. I don't think that's

1052
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 3: going to last very long. Like Brooks obviously, the concern

1053
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,240
Speaker 3: injuries tour his ACL and his final college season at Texas,

1054
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 3: then tour the same ACL in December twenty twenty four,

1055
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 3: in his third NFL game after he missed a lot

1056
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 3: of his Rooki year. Panthers reportedly had a highly reputable

1057
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 3: surgeon repair this second tear in a sort of It

1058
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 3: was sort of a corrective surgery, like both repair and

1059
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 3: correct like the first surgery, which maybe didn't go as

1060
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 3: well as they I hope, because it did take him

1061
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 3: a long time to recover from that first injury. They

1062
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 3: use this technique they called like double bundle, which supposedly

1063
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 3: increases the knees rotational stability and leads to a stronger reconstruction.

1064
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 3: So Panthers have been very deliberate in bringing Brooks back

1065
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 3: from this latest ACL tear shut him down for all

1066
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty five, which in hindsight, probably a smart thing,

1067
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 3: even though they were a playoff team, and by the

1068
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 3: time training camps opens, it'll be twenty months since he

1069
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 3: had the second ACL tear, So it's basically just Ceba

1070
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 3: Hubbard in front of Jonathan Brooks and Cuba. Hubbard is

1071
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 3: a solid NFL back, very capable, had a big season

1072
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four, but I think he's kind of

1073
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,959
Speaker 3: a league average backworm. I don't know how you feel

1074
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 3: about that. But I think yeah, and the upside, everyone

1075
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 3: loved Brooks as a prospect coming out of Texas and

1076
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 3: thought this guy was just at his best, was absolutely electric.

1077
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 3: If they eventually turn this backfield over to him, if

1078
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 3: he shows in flashes what the same sort of pizzaz

1079
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 3: he showed when he was in Austin in college, Like,

1080
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 3: I think that's better than the best of Chewba Hubbard.

1081
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 3: So early on, I think it's going to be a

1082
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 3: slow burn. I don't think he's going to get double

1083
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 3: digit carries for you know, any game in September most likely.

1084
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 3: But man, if he shows he's healthy, feels good after games,

1085
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 3: no issues there, and he is looks better than Chewba Hubbard,

1086
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 3: I think they might just like let him run with

1087
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 3: the lead role at some point in the season. You know,

1088
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 3: could happen anytime from October on.

1089
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 2: I feel like when I was looking at the names

1090
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 2: outside the top forty and try to think about who

1091
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 2: I wanted to make the case for, I was really

1092
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 2: trying to find names that they because a lot of

1093
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 2: these names, like if an injury happens in their backfield, yes,

1094
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 2: things could look a lot different and they're going to

1095
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 2: be a lot higher Brooks was, what are they you

1096
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 2: where I think he can just be the RB one

1097
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 2: on this team without an injury to Chewba Hubbard, Like

1098
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 2: he again was a really fun prospect that we liked

1099
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 2: a lot when he was drafted in the second round.

1100
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 2: If he really is healthy and shakes off the rust

1101
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 2: and like they are willing to give him that chance,

1102
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 2: he can you, sir Hubbard, I think for sure it's

1103
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 2: not a guarantee. Hubbard's not bad, but I think it

1104
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 2: could happen. A lot of the other names in this

1105
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,439
Speaker 2: range is beyond like Kamani Videll, you know, oh, great

1106
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 2: running game, but or Keith Mitchell really in the same backfield,

1107
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 2: Like great running game, but like you need a unit

1108
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 2: an injury to Amaron Hampton for them to take advantage

1109
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 2: of being in Mike McDaniels offense, right, Like Taj Spears

1110
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 2: probably need an injury to Tony Pollard to have that chance.

1111
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 2: You know, Chris Ardriguez, we just talked about Bachell Tuton

1112
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 2: and Tyler Algyear could be really fun, but you probably

1113
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 2: need an injury to Jeremiah Love, Right.

1114
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 1: It's all this stuff where you need something else to happen.

1115
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: To tap into that upside, Brooks, I don't think you

1116
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: need that. Dylan Sampson was the other one I was

1117
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: looking at, like, because the injury may have already happened

1118
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: with Judkins, maybe we are being overly optimistic about his return.

1119
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: He's a player that I actually liked quite a bit

1120
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: as a rookie last year. And if Judkins ends up,

1121
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: you know, maybe not coming back into form as quickly

1122
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: as we are imagining he will, then maybe there's an

1123
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: opportunity there for.

1124
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 2: Sampson to have some upside.

1125
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 1: I mean, can I interest you in like a Joanah Coleman?

1126
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: Just you ever know what the Broncos are going to do?

1127
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: You don't really like RJ. Harvey Dobbins gets hurt again,

1128
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: Maybe there's an opportunity there. There's just you know, Braylen

1129
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: Allen's a player that you've liked in the past. There's

1130
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: not a ton of other names I felt like besides

1131
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: Brooks that I really wanted to plant my flag on.

1132
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me correct you. We do know what the

1133
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 3: Broncos are going to do. They're going to use a

1134
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 3: committee because Sean McVay does, or excuse me, Sean Payton

1135
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 3: does every year. But yeah, when you look past the

1136
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,919
Speaker 3: top forty one, obviously it's pretty any sort of RB

1137
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 3: one season from that group would be injury related. Except

1138
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 3: I can think of two potential cases where guys could

1139
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 3: just win out on the Merits and their coaches decide like, Okay,

1140
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 3: we're rolling with these guys, and we're kicking the guys

1141
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 3: ahead of them to the curb. On Claiborne in Minnesota

1142
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 3: with Aaron Jones and Jordan Mason, I think, like Clayborne,

1143
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 3: when you see that guy rotten, like he is just mercury,

1144
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 3: way more explosive than Jordan Mason. And look, Aaron Jones

1145
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 3: is maybe starting to slow down a little last year.

1146
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 3: So I could see Clayborne earning it on the Merits,

1147
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 3: although he's a long shot for sure as a Day

1148
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 3: three pick. And sort of the same thing with Nicholas

1149
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 3: Singleton in Tennessee and especially you've got Tony Pollard and

1150
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 3: ty J Spears heading into the final year of their

1151
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 3: contracts with the Titans. So if they like what they

1152
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 3: see from Singleton, like why forced all the inevitable, maybe

1153
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 3: they just move him to the top of the food

1154
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 3: chain and plan on a future with Singleton as their

1155
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 3: lead guy.

1156
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: It's kind of funny, you said Singleton, because I was

1157
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: thinking about his former backfield mate and Kateron Allen in

1158
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: Washington kind of a murky ish backfield situation where maybe

1159
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,280
Speaker 1: he's just the guy. Maybe this offense takes another step forward,

1160
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: you know, with a you know, new play caller and

1161
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 1: now healthy again Jayden Didan, and maybe Alan just ends

1162
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: up being the guy who scores a bunch of touchdowns

1163
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 1: for this offense and kind of becomes the lead back

1164
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 1: in that way I thought, I think is a possibility to.

1165
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 3: It could be. I just don't know what sort of

1166
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 3: pass catching potential k Tron has. I also kind of

1167
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 3: think Jack Cory Krossky Merrot might be kind of sneaky good.

1168
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 3: Although it does just seem like we're headed towards a

1169
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 3: full scale committee with this, Like Rashad White's gonna play

1170
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 3: a lot cross key Merrit's gonna play some k Tron

1171
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 3: Allen's probably gonna play some kind of messy can I

1172
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 3: ask you.

1173
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: We just want one more name here that feels really really,

1174
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 1: i mean, just incredibly gross. But it's yeah, and we've

1175
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: already talked about a couple of his backfield mates, So again,

1176
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: it's one where he probably would need an opportunity to

1177
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 1: open up to take advantage. The Steelers invested a Day

1178
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: two pick in Caleb Johnson just a year ago. We

1179
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: now have a new coaching staff, maybe just kind of

1180
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: like a fresh start, Like this is a guy who

1181
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: a lot of people really like the fit, so now

1182
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,320
Speaker 1: it's a different offense. Maybe that fit isn't as obvious

1183
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: this year as it felt like last summer. But do

1184
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: you see any talent here as a guy who was,

1185
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: like I mean, some people I think Debra had him

1186
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: as RB two coming out of Iowa and last year's class,

1187
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 1: like a player who was liked just got off on

1188
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 1: the wrong foot. It was a coach who kind of

1189
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: just put him in the doghouse right away after that

1190
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: special team's blunder early on that cost him a game

1191
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: and just never really got going again. At RB sixty eight,

1192
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: right now, he's totally free in redraft leagues. Is there

1193
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: any part of you that's like, maybe worth a shot

1194
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: and maybe he looks more like the guy that was

1195
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: a third round pick that we kind of expected to

1196
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: come into the league a year ago.

1197
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 3: With the new coaching staff, generally and Dynasty have a

1198
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 3: weakness for those types of guys like, hey, they could

1199
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 3: absolutely still hit. But again, where I'm filtering this, look

1200
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 3: at the Steelers backfield through the Aaron Rodgers prism, doesn't

1201
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 3: seem like Caleb fits that at all. I don't know

1202
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 3: if he can catch pass as well enough. I don't

1203
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 3: know if he can protect Rogers well enough. I might

1204
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 3: actually think Eli heyden Reich has a better chance to

1205
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 3: be impactful this year than KELEB Johnson.

1206
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: I would wager that we are the only podcast in

1207
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: this industry who can have an episode of talking about

1208
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: potential RB one's in twenty twenty six where Caleb Johnson's

1209
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: name gets mentioned. So we are unique in that regard

1210
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: at the very least.

1211
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and do it without, you know, being under the

1212
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 3: influence of illicit substances, because normally that's what it might

1213
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 3: take to get us there.

1214
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: By the way, I didn't ask have you prepped this,

1215
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: but just to give the people something in this regard,

1216
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: any names who have been in RB one before that

1217
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: are not ranked there that you really like this year?

1218
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: Just does anybody stand out to you, because obviously we

1219
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: want to really look at guys who could break out

1220
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: and get there for the first.

1221
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 2: Time this year.

1222
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: But do you see values and guys that you think

1223
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 1: have that upside even though they've done it before, so

1224
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: they're not eligible for the episode.

1225
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 3: I mean, technically, is Amarion Hampton eligible for it.

1226
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: He's already listed as an RB one, he's RB ten,

1227
00:58:58,040 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: and he could still say that you think he's undervalue,

1228
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: has more upside than that if you want, But yeah,

1229
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: he is inside the top twelve right now.

1230
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know about undervalued, but like, I think

1231
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 3: he could get there absolutely with the healthier Chargers offensive line,

1232
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 3: one that should actually be pretty good, and you know,

1233
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 3: with a good defense. I just think the Chargers are

1234
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 3: a dangerous team and Hampton could be heavy part of

1235
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 3: their offense. Look, Josh Jacobs, I know they're the concerns.

1236
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 3: He had that off the field stuff, and it doesn't

1237
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 3: look like he is going to be charged with anything,

1238
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 3: so presumably at this point he's just going to be

1239
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 3: the Packers lead back and he's averaged basically a touchdown

1240
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 3: a game for the Packers since joining them, and Matt

1241
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 3: Lafleur does not mess around. When they get to the

1242
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 3: goal line, they hand the ball to Josh Jacobs, so

1243
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 3: even though he doesn't have immense pass catching upside, the

1244
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 3: Packers and Lafleur like to run the ball and Jacobs

1245
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 3: is a touchdown machine, so he's the guy maybe we

1246
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 3: should consider there. And right now he's ranked pretty well

1247
00:59:58,680 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 3: outside RB one range.

1248
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you might have noticed when we talked about

1249
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: all these guys in the RB two range during the

1250
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: first segment of the show. It's a lot of guys

1251
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: in the back half of RB two range. The first

1252
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: half of RB two rage is Kiri and Williams, bresaw At,

1253
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs, Javonte, Williams, Travis Itchien, all guys who have

1254
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: done it before, which is why we didn't talk about them.

1255
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: I find that to be kind of a hard group

1256
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 1: to parse through right now in early rankings. I actually

1257
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: kind of think Javonte and Itchian, I like, you know,

1258
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: as RB seventeen and eighteen feel like values.

1259
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 2: I do really like Davonte this year.

1260
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 1: I don't see any reason why it can't be something

1261
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: close to what he did last year and at least

1262
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: an approximation of it. So yeah, there's some values there.

1263
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: I will say, this is kind of last question before

1264
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: we wrap up your fits. I came away from this

1265
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: exercise just looking at these names and preparing for the

1266
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: show and talking with you for the last hour feeling

1267
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,479
Speaker 1: like I actually do want to be leading a little

1268
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: heavier on running back early. I think I get pretty

1269
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: uncomfortable once you get past the top twenty five names

1270
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: or so, and you know we're making cases for guys

1271
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: that can have upside there, but it feels really unsturdy

1272
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: the top couple dozen names here. So I feel like

1273
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 1: coming away from this, I want to be drafting running

1274
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 1: backs earlier in drafts than I kind of realized before

1275
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: talking this through.

1276
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 3: And you can make a case for that because it

1277
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 3: seems like the class of wide receiver ones is shrinking

1278
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 3: and the class of the group of wide receiver two's

1279
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 3: sort of borderline wide receiver threes is like very large

1280
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 3: and flat. So maybe there's something to be said for

1281
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 3: getting your two running backs within the first five rounds

1282
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 3: and should still be able to get three wide receivers

1283
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 3: who are like top thirty guys in the first five rounds.

1284
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: We'll have a lot more time to go through all

1285
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: our different strategies for draft season here over the next

1286
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: couple of months, which I'm really looking forward to We'll

1287
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: go ahead and wrap up today's conversation there though four fits.

1288
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 2: I'm Ryan Warman. Thanks everybody for tuning in. We'll see

1289
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 2: again next time.

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