Speaker 1: My guest today is the iconic Sharon Osborne. Sharon is
Speaker 1: a boss. She has an impressive mind for business and
Speaker 1: has done a masterful job managing the music career of
Speaker 1: her husband, Ozzy Osborne. Fans across the world fell in
Speaker 1: love with her and Ozzie when they start in their
Speaker 1: reality show The Osborne's on MTV. Since then, you've seen
Speaker 1: Sharon hosting everywhere, The Sharon Osborne Show, The X Factor,
Speaker 1: America's Got Talent, The Talk, and more. She is an
Speaker 1: opinionated person who is not afraid to speak her mind.
Speaker 1: Sound familiar and I think you're going to love this conversation.
Speaker 1: Let's get started. So nice to meet you. I feel
Speaker 1: like have we met? Have we met on your show?
Speaker 1: I feel like I know you, but I don't know
Speaker 1: if I've actually ever met you know, we haven't met.
Speaker 1: That's crazy, Okay, Well, yeah, there's been a lot about
Speaker 1: you that over the years, about a lot about your
Speaker 1: family and you guys have been in this crazy stew
Speaker 1: of entertainment and drama and media and really in the
Speaker 1: beginning of reality television as we know it now with
Speaker 1: family dramas and then all the branches of your family
Speaker 1: going off in different ways. And um, wow, as I
Speaker 1: as I think about you, I think you have had
Speaker 1: a very colorful, crazy life. Yeah, I don't know, Bethany.
Speaker 1: When you get to my age, you feel you've lived
Speaker 1: like three lifetimes. You know, It's like because we were
Speaker 1: always changing, these people aren't We were always evolving. So
Speaker 1: you know what it was forty years ago, it isn't today.
Speaker 1: You know, Well, what do you think about It's like,
Speaker 1: what when you think about age? What do you feel
Speaker 1: about age? What do you think about age? And are
Speaker 1: you vain? Are you insecure? You're trying to chase youth
Speaker 1: in any way? Like where are you on age? No,
Speaker 1: age doesn't bother me. It bothers me. It'll health bothers me,
Speaker 1: but age doesn't bother me. I've never been one of
Speaker 1: these women that have been crazy about age. And oh
Speaker 1: my god, I mustn't tell my real age. And I've
Speaker 1: got to keep trying to look better I look. I
Speaker 1: have cosmetic surgery for me, for me, not for anybody else,
Speaker 1: because I wasn't a very good looking young girl. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, I do it for me, and I it
Speaker 1: makes me feel confident. But I don't go in there
Speaker 1: and say I want to look forty or fifty, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't. I just certain things about my face I've
Speaker 1: never liked and I've changed and I'm happy. But being
Speaker 1: seventy in a month doesn't bother me. I couldn't give
Speaker 1: a ship because I've got confidence, I've got knowledge, and
Speaker 1: I have more knowledge being seventy obviously than I did
Speaker 1: when I was twenty, and I like that, right. So
Speaker 1: for example me, so I've I've had botox, but not
Speaker 1: maybe once a year, not because I wouldn't get it
Speaker 1: more off, and I forget like I'm not a vain person,
Speaker 1: and I mean, I almost wish that I were more
Speaker 1: meaning if I get my makeup done and my I
Speaker 1: do my own color, but and I never get my
Speaker 1: hair cut. But if I get my own makeup done,
Speaker 1: I want to look good, and then I feel bad
Speaker 1: if I don't like, I'll look at the picture and
Speaker 1: be like, well that sucks. I hired, but I had
Speaker 1: the wrong and I went out and I went on
Speaker 1: that carpet and I did it wrong. So that will
Speaker 1: annoy me. But I'm not a proactive look at my
Speaker 1: face everyday person. So I ask you, because I've had
Speaker 1: celebrities say to me, um, oh honey, you're late, Like
Speaker 1: everyone else is just lying. They're all doing it, And
Speaker 1: then I get anxiety. I think, like probably many women
Speaker 1: listening where I'm like, well, how do I know? And
Speaker 1: how would I even know what to do? Like that's
Speaker 1: not something I know a lot about, and it's always changing.
Speaker 1: And who's going to tell you when you're supposed to
Speaker 1: do something? Not everything, but like who's gonna say when
Speaker 1: you're supposed to do the string thing or the next
Speaker 1: thing or the half thing or the I think the
Speaker 1: string thing that's the kiss of death. That's like it
Speaker 1: was like a phase. Certain doctors do it, and it's horrific.
Speaker 1: It's very dangerous. It's horrific. But the thing is, you
Speaker 1: know what it is, don't care what people say. It's
Speaker 1: what you feel and you want. Don't give a shit
Speaker 1: about anybody else. If you're good in your skin, then
Speaker 1: that's all that matters. And write it like because I'll
Speaker 1: be the one that ends up looking like a clown.
Speaker 1: Like I'll be the one that looks crazy. What the
Speaker 1: fund did she do to her face? So anyway, that's
Speaker 1: why I ask you, because but it's like, you know what,
Speaker 1: so what hasn't everyone done that? I mean, you see
Speaker 1: people and you go, whoa dear, But do you know
Speaker 1: what you learned for the next time? Wh it's a ship?
Speaker 1: Are you? Are you a nice person? Are you have
Speaker 1: you got a good soul? That's soul that really matches.
Speaker 1: It's the people who have no real humility, real sense
Speaker 1: of soul that are just superficial. Everything is superficial, right.
Speaker 1: We need more role models that are not. That's why
Speaker 1: it's good. You know what, I'm glad you're saying. If
Speaker 1: it doesn't bother you, don't look for don't look for
Speaker 1: aunts at the picnic. Like if I'm not bothered, so
Speaker 1: people listening, if don't do it because you hear other
Speaker 1: people are doing something. If it doesn't bother you, don't
Speaker 1: do it. So that's where I'm gonna stand on vanity
Speaker 1: and age. I'm gonna stick where I am. Okay, your
Speaker 1: marriage has been publicly speculated for so so long, and
Speaker 1: how much how much do you have your own identity
Speaker 1: in this relationship? Like you became you were you were
Speaker 1: you were you were in the music industry, so you've
Speaker 1: always sort of been in mess. You've been together since
Speaker 1: you were kids, Like how have you created your own
Speaker 1: life and your own destiny while so attached and adjacent
Speaker 1: to someone else. I worked for my father, who was
Speaker 1: a very big entrepreneur in the industry. And when I
Speaker 1: worked from my father, it was, Oh, her father is
Speaker 1: not She's okay, she can she knows what she's talking about.
Speaker 1: It was always, oh, she's the daughter of But I
Speaker 1: started to manage Aussie, it was oh, well she's fucking hymn.
Speaker 1: So you know what. And then I decided in my head,
Speaker 1: I'm just not going to take this. I know more
Speaker 1: than a lot of guys in the industry, and I'm
Speaker 1: going to be somebody. And I developed this persona for
Speaker 1: myself of don't mess with me because I know much
Speaker 1: more than you. So I would go into meetings and
Speaker 1: I conducted myself in a way that I really wasn't
Speaker 1: and I put up this shield and then people started
Speaker 1: to give me respect. But then they because I was
Speaker 1: a woman acting that way, she's a bit, she's a bit.
Speaker 1: But when a guy acts that way, oh he is
Speaker 1: a tough he don't mess with him. Fifty years ago,
Speaker 1: there were no women with any power in the music industry.
Speaker 1: Women were not even assistance Oh, my secretary will make
Speaker 1: you a coffee. That's what women were and men didn't
Speaker 1: like it. And you know, in this industry, it was
Speaker 1: all you know, um, the men they go to the game,
Speaker 1: and they go to a strip club, then they go
Speaker 1: do their coke, then they do this. And why would
Speaker 1: I want to be in social with any of the
Speaker 1: people in the industry that I had to work with,
Speaker 1: you know, like a record company or a publisher or
Speaker 1: people in TV. I had my closed circle. But the
Speaker 1: thing is I had to maintain this person that I
Speaker 1: wasn't at home, and that the only way to get
Speaker 1: respect from these guys and to say, don't mess with
Speaker 1: me because I know what I'm talking about. And so
Speaker 1: I had to develop this that was long before people
Speaker 1: were always talking about feminism and female empowerment and the
Speaker 1: glass ceiling and all those things. That's a language that's
Speaker 1: creeping created that is very valuable. But it's the same
Speaker 1: thing for me because not until I break it down
Speaker 1: and I reverse engineer do I think about all the
Speaker 1: times that men have tried to explain things to me.
Speaker 1: I recently did something and I spoke to a man
Speaker 1: and we're in the exact same position in something, and
Speaker 1: they were speaking to me in a way that I said, no, no,
Speaker 1: you're not. I'm not the junior partner in this relationship.
Speaker 1: Like I had to lift my leg and urinate all
Speaker 1: over this situation. But I wouldn't have even realized that
Speaker 1: because we get used to people talking to us in
Speaker 1: a certain way and it's just a subtle microaggression I'm
Speaker 1: better than you male female thing. I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: so black and white where you could just say, oh,
Speaker 1: I've experienced the disparity in the workplace, Like I couldn't
Speaker 1: even pinpoint until recently I thought, oh, that has happened
Speaker 1: to me so long, I just became more of a
Speaker 1: pit bull to deal with it exactly, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like you're saying, like I wasn't thinking about
Speaker 1: being a woman or being a man. I was just
Speaker 1: always plowing through. And it turns out it's work. But
Speaker 1: you have to deconstruct it to really realize it. In
Speaker 1: many situations, you realize you're do you have to literally
Speaker 1: go back, pull the conversation past and then go, oh
Speaker 1: my god. And then it's like I can come out
Speaker 1: of meetings and go, did I really say that? Oh
Speaker 1: my god? But you have to. You know, how many
Speaker 1: times have you been in a situation where somebody looked
Speaker 1: at your time we're like, wow, nice twins, like with
Speaker 1: your boobs or something of that, or your headlights or
Speaker 1: like that's happened a thousand times of men that I've
Speaker 1: worked I didn't even think about it because that's the
Speaker 1: way it was. Like imagine be like, oh, nice bulge, Dan, Like,
Speaker 1: it's just crazy the stuff that we've out with that
Speaker 1: you don't even think about because of the way that
Speaker 1: we've come up in this business. That is exactly right.
Speaker 1: And can you imagine us in a in a corporation
Speaker 1: talking to men the way mentor no, big dick, Hey,
Speaker 1: big dick Dan, Like it's crazy, Oh yeah, they come
Speaker 1: over here. Yeah, No, it's so true. We don't think
Speaker 1: about it. So I think, you know, so many people
Speaker 1: to sell books and to have like splashy segments on
Speaker 1: morning shows talk about it as if the language is
Speaker 1: female empowerment and what have you experienced in the workplace
Speaker 1: of men. That's also formal, it's sort of you should
Speaker 1: we should be asking the questions like how many times
Speaker 1: has someone you know just talked about your breasts or
Speaker 1: your body? Or some not so subtle way, but not
Speaker 1: over it either. Like it's just been a situation where
Speaker 1: someone is just saying something that you got used to.
Speaker 1: You didn't even realize it, you know. But do you
Speaker 1: know what, I never was in that bracket because of
Speaker 1: the way I look, and I used to be two
Speaker 1: hundred and third he pounds up my high and I'm
Speaker 1: only five ft two high of my youth, and it
Speaker 1: was all I didn't realize it at the time, but
Speaker 1: it was all just the shield, a shield of like
Speaker 1: when I come in that room, they'll know who's come
Speaker 1: in that room. Wow, that's interesting. Okay, So that's another
Speaker 1: big area for you with your family. Food, food noise,
Speaker 1: the relationship to food, like the ups and downs. So
Speaker 1: how do you navigate that? What have you learned about
Speaker 1: your relationship with your food? Your family's wished of the
Speaker 1: way that everybody was raised with frankly, a lot of excess,
Speaker 1: probably excess food, excess drugs, alcohol, highs, lows, famous, not famous,
Speaker 1: money enough like all that. My kids have seen so
Speaker 1: much when they were kids, so much. Unfortunately, they've witnessed, roused,
Speaker 1: they've witnessed, you know, not just that dad, but other
Speaker 1: people that we've worked with that you know out of it,
Speaker 1: draw drugs, whatever. And I would always say, you never
Speaker 1: want to be like that. Look at that person there this,
Speaker 1: Look at that person there that never want to be
Speaker 1: like that. Unfortunately it didn't work for two of the
Speaker 1: because of just they absorb everything. It's just it's it's
Speaker 1: it's just water seeks its own level kind of thing.
Speaker 1: And they went out and they did whatever they wanted
Speaker 1: to do. And with my son, he was in. He
Speaker 1: was in we have at seventeen, and I got him
Speaker 1: just at the right age, because you know from a
Speaker 1: teen I couldn't have him put in rehab. You could
Speaker 1: only so we we got him at seven teams could
Speaker 1: him in. He was in for six months and then
Speaker 1: he did a year of out patient. Never had a
Speaker 1: drink or drugs since. And he's the only one in
Speaker 1: his peer group that the kids at that time that
Speaker 1: he was in treatment with that has stayed clean and
Speaker 1: sober and he has never touched would, thank god, gone back.
Speaker 1: How do you talk to parents about this? Parents blame themselves.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you blamed yourself. It could be completely you
Speaker 1: could be not you at all. It could be nature nurture, heredity, genetics,
Speaker 1: the music's a thousand things, and and a lot of
Speaker 1: people think that when a child is in a child
Speaker 1: of somebody in the music industry or film industry or whatever,
Speaker 1: it is, somebody that's used to excess of everything and
Speaker 1: life is too easy. They're the kids that go in.
Speaker 1: It's every it's from every walk of life. This disease, alcohol,
Speaker 1: drugs is in every walk of life. But literally when
Speaker 1: kids are young, like you know, some people my friends
Speaker 1: are European where the kids will have a little bit
Speaker 1: of wine at the table when they're young. It's not
Speaker 1: such a blowout extreme where they're like they have been
Speaker 1: forbidden and then they do it. And then I used
Speaker 1: to work with Paris Hilton and she had her own
Speaker 1: young fame, and I've seen it every way. There are
Speaker 1: no rules, are there are no parenting tips for this?
Speaker 1: Is it? Just watch and listen. What what do we say?
Speaker 1: How have we done drugs? And we're gonna tell them
Speaker 1: not to do drugs? How have we how do we
Speaker 1: drink under age? We're gonna tell them not to drink
Speaker 1: under age? A you know, I was going to the
Speaker 1: Palladium is fourteen years old. New York City, the nightclub.
Speaker 1: So how are we what are we telling our kids?
Speaker 1: What are we doing? What? The only thing we can
Speaker 1: do is show him the outcome. Show him the outcome.
Speaker 1: And when you are excessive with drunk, being with alcohol
Speaker 1: and drugs, you're either gonna winda under a bridge, living
Speaker 1: under a bridge, right, dying or becoming mental. That's it.
Speaker 1: That's that's you know, to the kids, think that your
Speaker 1: life is going to be easy. Some people survive and
Speaker 1: get through that net, but there are very few. There
Speaker 1: are very very few of people that drink a lot
Speaker 1: and use a lot of drugs that actually survived. Now
Speaker 1: with the new drugs that are on that you can
Speaker 1: get that are accessible to kids on the street, they
Speaker 1: are so dangerous. Oh my god, that's Russian roulette. It
Speaker 1: is it is Russian roulette, now, I mean it's insanity.
Speaker 1: That's Russian roulette. It's crazy. That's that's really right. Do
Speaker 1: you have what's your relationship to alcohol, drugs, substances, your
Speaker 1: your emotional and mental and literal relationship. Well, I came
Speaker 1: from this Jewish father that was totally totally against drugs
Speaker 1: and alcohol, even though his world was full of it
Speaker 1: because of being in the industry, and I listened. I
Speaker 1: was afraid. I was definitely afraid. Never been, It's never
Speaker 1: been my thing. I've never smoked a cigarette in my life.
Speaker 1: You don't have an addictive personality at all in that
Speaker 1: boo sphere food, food, and spending. That's my action. Who
Speaker 1: spending on? What? On? What I have? I don't want
Speaker 1: to say addiction, but I have binge and purge, spending
Speaker 1: like guilt and then want to get rid of things
Speaker 1: and by fit like I have a relationship because I
Speaker 1: used to think. This is what I used to think.
Speaker 1: I used to think, if I make my house perfect, perfect, perfect, perfect,
Speaker 1: my husband is going to be so happy. He's so comfortable.
Speaker 1: Did he need to drink? He's never gonna need a
Speaker 1: drink or a drug because this house is perfect. And
Speaker 1: if I look perfect, maybe like all the you know,
Speaker 1: the goals that hang out at gigs, he's going to
Speaker 1: be so happy. He's never gonna need to leave home
Speaker 1: for anything. No, and you, but it's so funny, but
Speaker 1: don't haven't you learned that? It's like what's how you
Speaker 1: are inside? Like your energy that's the thing that attracts
Speaker 1: and make somebody want to be you know, be there,
Speaker 1: of course. But when I was younger, I would think
Speaker 1: that's it and then realize that it's all fucking you know,
Speaker 1: easiness in your head. You're just grasping at something to
Speaker 1: try and make a relationship work or somebody better, and
Speaker 1: you don't realize that you can't make that person better
Speaker 1: till they want to be better. Well, right, somebody once
Speaker 1: that on here. I don't fix my partner. I fix me.
Speaker 1: They fix them, like it's crazy to do that. I
Speaker 1: have a friend going through right now in her marriage
Speaker 1: and wants to She's gonna do this, and that's gonna
Speaker 1: make him do this. She's gonna call a lawyer and
Speaker 1: that's gonna be I'm like, no, you gotta fix you.
Speaker 1: You you do that? That's yeah? Wow? Well what about
Speaker 1: so what about spending? Now? Do you have to control yourself?
Speaker 1: Do you like closet shop? Is it online or not?
Speaker 1: Not online? I don't like buying online. I like the
Speaker 1: process of going out walking around stores. I that's where
Speaker 1: I my mind switches off all the problems that I had.
Speaker 1: I just walk around aimlessly. And it's funny because my
Speaker 1: fiance said to me the other day, because I was
Speaker 1: going to buy something very nice. That was finally like
Speaker 1: when I was able to get a good deal on
Speaker 1: and he said, I think you should get that. But
Speaker 1: a lot of the smaller things, so it's not about money.
Speaker 1: He was, like a lot of the smaller things that
Speaker 1: you're like filling some other kind of void with that.
Speaker 1: And I was thinking with you just now, like it's
Speaker 1: not about them. It doesn't sound like it's about the money.
Speaker 1: Like you don't have a problem where it's affecting your
Speaker 1: life and where you're gonna have less money for your
Speaker 1: kids or for whatever your legacy. It's really unless you've
Speaker 1: got into real financial problems because of spending, or it's
Speaker 1: just the emotional it's spending the emotion of going out,
Speaker 1: walking around, buying myself looking. I mean everybody likes nice things, Yes,
Speaker 1: I of course I do, and I like to dress
Speaker 1: well and it's like my time for me, So it's
Speaker 1: not a problem. It is because I do it too much,
Speaker 1: and I do it for everybody else too much. I
Speaker 1: can go out and I can spend more than I
Speaker 1: ever should. But get that for the babies back from
Speaker 1: my son. The gift you like hurt you like the
Speaker 1: app same gifts gifts gifts Christmas, and then Christmas becomes
Speaker 1: the worst because as I'm shopping for other people, I
Speaker 1: see things for myself and then I'm in this hole
Speaker 1: and I'm like, now it's more purchasing for everybody same time.
Speaker 1: And it's like my son always says to me that
Speaker 1: the way I show my love is I'm a gift
Speaker 1: giver and I show how much I love you. I'm there.
Speaker 1: Oh I just saw this. I thought you might like it.
Speaker 1: And so it sounds that we're very it's noisy. It's noisy.
Speaker 1: It's very noisy for you. And what about your relationship
Speaker 1: to food? How do you manage? Because food is something
Speaker 1: you must be involved in all day every day. So
Speaker 1: how do you have a relationship with food? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. I've had the band operation and then I
Speaker 1: lost a hundred and thirty pounds and then I found
Speaker 1: out a way of eating around the band. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: So then I put on weight and then I put
Speaker 1: on fifty pounds after that, and then my doctor removed
Speaker 1: the band because they found out that it's not good
Speaker 1: for you anyway, because you know, they're always you know,
Speaker 1: after after people have had it for like ten years,
Speaker 1: it's not good. So they took it out and they
Speaker 1: gave me what they called the sleeve. Uh huh. They
Speaker 1: cut your stomach. Also very intense, very intense. And since
Speaker 1: I had that, I can't eat as much as I did,
Speaker 1: so I kind of graze through the day. I don't
Speaker 1: like eating a big meal. Were the same person, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like it all the time. When I want to
Speaker 1: hate everybody being obsessed with the meal time because I'm
Speaker 1: not hungry at the meal time. It gives me. It's
Speaker 1: so funny and I can't eat that much, you know,
Speaker 1: like three course meal. It's like, no, I can't do
Speaker 1: it right. You'd rather have like sushi. We're gonna have
Speaker 1: a few bites of different things and you can choose
Speaker 1: as you go. Interesting. Wow okay yeah? Um, So infidelity
Speaker 1: another big three. You have big themes, like I could
Speaker 1: see the cover of your book with like big bold
Speaker 1: food and weight and substance and infidelity. That's another big
Speaker 1: part of your life's identity. So, um has that do
Speaker 1: you feel like you're insecurity? Was part of why that
Speaker 1: happened or did that make you insecure or does it
Speaker 1: have nothing to do with you? Like? What about infidelity?
Speaker 1: Just in relationships? Because so many people experience that. I
Speaker 1: married a man that I knew was cheated because he
Speaker 1: cheated on his first wife with me and also groupies.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just one of those guys. But again,
Speaker 1: I was used to working with guys in the industry
Speaker 1: and they all cheated on everyone. So I thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: as long as it's not a relationship, I can deal
Speaker 1: with this. Oh interesting, I think this, and you really
Speaker 1: could do with it, because, by the way, you're allowed
Speaker 1: to craft your own ala carte relationship as much however
Speaker 1: you want. A lot of people have boxes and everyone's
Speaker 1: coloring outside of the lines. Yeah, I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 1: what does it mean? Somebody's going to give him a
Speaker 1: blow job? And so I don't care, poor you. So
Speaker 1: I always had that thing in my mind. But then
Speaker 1: when his addiction went to sex, and it was he
Speaker 1: had women all over the world that he would call
Speaker 1: because he travels the world over and over again, at
Speaker 1: people in Japan, people in South South America, England, here,
Speaker 1: and they will becoming regulars. It's like, how do you know?
Speaker 1: How did you now? Were you doing investigative reporting or
Speaker 1: you just were looking like an idiot. It was getting
Speaker 1: back to you, because many people feel that the problem
Speaker 1: with infidelity for them is not like you said, getting
Speaker 1: a blowjob one lesson you have to give, but feeling
Speaker 1: like a schmuck, like you're the last person to know
Speaker 1: and everybody thinks you're an idiot, a schmuck. Like it
Speaker 1: breaks you as a person. It breaks you as a person.
Speaker 1: And it's like that you did it with that and
Speaker 1: you're calling that person and she's calling you. And then
Speaker 1: it's the texting. But my husband is so like he
Speaker 1: always slips up, always always slips up. Started to send
Speaker 1: me text is he's sending to some fucking old and
Speaker 1: it's like busted, busted, God. Yeah. And then it was like, okay,
Speaker 1: we can deal with some you know lady that gives
Speaker 1: you massages, that's got two kids to keep and you
Speaker 1: want to fire a son of guitar and this, that
Speaker 1: and the other. And it's like, well that's funny too.
Speaker 1: You're bringing money into it, which a lot of women,
Speaker 1: a lot of women think about it. He's gonna go
Speaker 1: fuck her, You're not gonna buy her family stuff. Like
Speaker 1: people get into like it's your money now too, it's
Speaker 1: your money that's being spent on somebody else by the way,
Speaker 1: you know, the odd guitar, and I would say, click
Speaker 1: the fuck is this? What the funk? I'm sorry to
Speaker 1: be so hard he is. I'm being truthful here. What
Speaker 1: the fund do you care of her? Some wants to
Speaker 1: learn guitar. He's fucking ten years old, he's got his
Speaker 1: whole life. It's not your fucking job. Massage my neck
Speaker 1: and get the funk out of here. These were your rules,
Speaker 1: you make up. These are wow, so but that never worked.
Speaker 1: The rule, the rule, the rule, the last button on
Speaker 1: the coach, then then then the then the screen gets smaller.
Speaker 1: Right now you're on the like O. Then you get
Speaker 1: busted big time because he gets away, he gets away,
Speaker 1: he gets away, and then there's some fucking Russian in
Speaker 1: England and the fucking you know, somebody from Japan coming
Speaker 1: over wants to see more. It's like, your fucking busted me.
Speaker 1: You're busted. But what does that even? Okay, So you
Speaker 1: have kids. Your kids are probably knowing about this, and
Speaker 1: they have a different viewpoint of all this, I'm sure,
Speaker 1: but you're busted. What does that mean? You're married, you
Speaker 1: made a choice to be here, and it sounds like
Speaker 1: you've been. Really, that's an interesting thing. You made a
Speaker 1: choice that those things are not mutually exclusive. That's terrible
Speaker 1: and that's something that is unacceptable at that level based
Speaker 1: on the rules that you guys set with each other.
Speaker 1: But you and as that to the commitment you were married.
Speaker 1: As you get older, as you get old, remember I've
Speaker 1: known him since I was eighteen. As get older and
Speaker 1: you get forty, fifty, sixty, and when it happens when
Speaker 1: you're in your sixties, you're like, you have to be
Speaker 1: fucking joking. This is this is a fucking nightmare, right,
Speaker 1: fucking insanity? Fuck am I doing with you? If you
Speaker 1: don't respect me enough that you are playing games and
Speaker 1: lying con certainly lying about what you're doing, who you're
Speaker 1: talking to, who you're texting, It's like, then you know what,
Speaker 1: I don't respect you, to get the funk out of
Speaker 1: my house. But then does that work. It's the last
Speaker 1: time I did it. I left him. I wouldn't talk
Speaker 1: to him for three months, and he the children were
Speaker 1: my son was like, see your dad and my goals.
Speaker 1: Of course their daddy is, you know, and they shouldn't
Speaker 1: interfere because it isn't their business. They're adults were, you know,
Speaker 1: on the last chapter of our lives, and it's like,
Speaker 1: it's nothing to do with them, but my goals were
Speaker 1: course with their daddy. And it's just like, this is insanity.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to have my last chapter of my
Speaker 1: life with you still fucking going after these. And he
Speaker 1: always went with women. And I know a lot of
Speaker 1: people are going to say to me, oh, you're just
Speaker 1: saying that because you you know, it makes you feel better,
Speaker 1: But he would always go with women that were less
Speaker 1: than because it made him feel bigger. Well also, I mean,
Speaker 1: but here's the other thing. It literally has so little
Speaker 1: to do with looks in the world. It's someone going
Speaker 1: for someone else to make them feel like a god
Speaker 1: who's not going to nag them about the stupid ship
Speaker 1: and what they're eating. And this is the line. This
Speaker 1: is the line. This is what I wear every day
Speaker 1: with my fiance. Okay, Like I don't have makeup, and
Speaker 1: I told you Matt vain so and and he is
Speaker 1: the most loyal person. But men are gonna not like
Speaker 1: we're not making the same effort we used to. And
Speaker 1: I'm not been saying that I even't signed up, but
Speaker 1: no one you didn't sign up with you. Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: put I'll put myself out what I want to do.
Speaker 1: I walk around. I'm not one of these women that
Speaker 1: do the sexy loans now I know that's the fact.
Speaker 1: I'm fucking years past that anyway, And it's as like, oh,
Speaker 1: in my country, you're a god and love you. All
Speaker 1: this adulation, constant, constant adulation where I go, shut the
Speaker 1: funk up and go eat your broccoli and don't have
Speaker 1: drunk food. Yeah, exactly. It's not sexy to be the wife.
Speaker 1: It's sexy to be the hooker. Yeah, I got it.
Speaker 1: And so after the last time, which of course got everywhere,
Speaker 1: I'm not embarrassed. There's nothing to me at all. Have
Speaker 1: I done? What have I done? It's him, he's the arshole,
Speaker 1: not me. But the three months I told him to
Speaker 1: stay away, he missed his family. He actually moved in
Speaker 1: with Kelly, and um, he missed his family unit, he
Speaker 1: missed me. He then decided to stop doing the drink
Speaker 1: because he he was Those are related? Those are those
Speaker 1: are related? Drinking and infidelity. I mean it's stupid decisions,
Speaker 1: your judgment. Yes, and he's been ten years clean and sober.
Speaker 1: He's listen. He's been his since forty years. He's been
Speaker 1: trying to get clean and sober. He would go a year,
Speaker 1: he would go a year and a half of them foo,
Speaker 1: he would lose it again. And so periodically through our relationships,
Speaker 1: theres been long terms of sobriety. He'd go out, he'd
Speaker 1: go back into rehab, he clear, clean up. But this
Speaker 1: time it's been a period of ten years and his
Speaker 1: age and where he is in his life, and he's
Speaker 1: wants to make amends to everybody and in particular himself. Nice.
Speaker 1: You just wasted on the young, right. Yeah, he's making amends.
Speaker 1: He's a better person. We are fine. I love him
Speaker 1: more than any man I've ever met in my life.
Speaker 1: I was never never a big data or you know,
Speaker 1: I was never one of those women. I was work, work, working,
Speaker 1: each You don't not you. You have no interest in
Speaker 1: going out, and like sexism, what's driving you? That's not
Speaker 1: the void. You want to go shop, You may want
Speaker 1: to go eat, but you don't you having sex is
Speaker 1: not your thing. You're's not your noise. And it happens
Speaker 1: a lot more for men for some reason than women,
Speaker 1: although there are women who have that. But the reason
Speaker 1: I what I'm getting to, and this is saying youth
Speaker 1: has waste abound me young. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: young women who just want the dress and the ring
Speaker 1: and the wedding and the stupid ship boy friend. Yes,
Speaker 1: either sports person or he's got to be an entertainer
Speaker 1: or or a racing driver. It's like, come on, or
Speaker 1: just the money. They just want to be taking. They
Speaker 1: don't know what this whole ride is going to be.
Speaker 1: And you've got to look for someone who's going to
Speaker 1: be ride or die and who's going to be in
Speaker 1: the foxhole with you. And I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: in talking to Hillary Clinton, it was interesting to me
Speaker 1: because you know, her whole life and relationship has been
Speaker 1: boiled down to a series of infidelities with her husband,
Speaker 1: and I imagine they've had a lot more go on
Speaker 1: in the three d sixty five days of a year
Speaker 1: than just some infidelity, Like why did you stay with him?
Speaker 1: Why he's my husband? I made a commitment. These are
Speaker 1: my reasons in my life, on my journey, and this
Speaker 1: is what matters to me and my commitment. Like everybody
Speaker 1: wants to put whatever they think in their mind, the
Speaker 1: construct in their mindor relationships supposed to be on everybody
Speaker 1: else until they're in those shoes. And so I understood
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton, like, it's not about what someone's doing on
Speaker 1: Valentine's Day, what do they do in the other three
Speaker 1: sixty four? So I fought around, okay, but what else?
Speaker 1: I totally understood Hillary Clinton with every single thing she
Speaker 1: did until she ran for president. And she didn't say
Speaker 1: I know what your roles thinking. I know what you're thinking.
Speaker 1: And when she did the debate with Trump, same and
Speaker 1: game Trump had all those women, the first thing I
Speaker 1: would have said was I would have come out and
Speaker 1: let's say, ladies and gentlemen America, I want you all
Speaker 1: to know that Mr Trump has brought several ladies here
Speaker 1: that my husband is like in delities with welcome them.
Speaker 1: Please yes, Because I think she should have she should
Speaker 1: have said when she when you go low, I go hot.
Speaker 1: She should have said you going low. But you know
Speaker 1: what I'm getting in the mud with you. The thing
Speaker 1: is that you have a similarity and that you have
Speaker 1: a relationship and a and a lifestyle that seems to
Speaker 1: have defined your relationship. And there's been so much more.
Speaker 1: And I ask you what matters in relationship? We're not
Speaker 1: going to get at all. No one's gonna get someone's
Speaker 1: loyal and rich and caring and bedside so and hot
Speaker 1: or whatever. What what matters? Like what has kept this
Speaker 1: partnership together? Because you have said you love him more
Speaker 1: than anything in the world, and he has definitely publicly
Speaker 1: disrespected you. So what really matters if you're trying to
Speaker 1: get three you know five out of ten things in
Speaker 1: a relationship. What matters to you and to your relationship? Obviously,
Speaker 1: I loved him more than any man I've ever known.
Speaker 1: I respect him as a person, and I know that
Speaker 1: sounds funny because at times he definitely hasn't respected me,
Speaker 1: but I expect him. He's the funniest fuck I've ever met.
Speaker 1: In my makes me laugh so much. I know in
Speaker 1: my soul, in my heart, in everything that he says
Speaker 1: to me, that he's never loved anyone the way he
Speaker 1: loves me, and he knows he's disrespected me, he knows
Speaker 1: everything that he's done to me, and he lies beside
Speaker 1: me at night, holds me and says, I'm sorry, I'm here.
Speaker 1: I love you. If I could do it all again,
Speaker 1: and what what more can I ask for? I married
Speaker 1: him knowing I was marrying an alcoholic addict. I knew
Speaker 1: that rapstor and so you know, right, I knew what
Speaker 1: I was marrying, but I thought I could change him.
Speaker 1: And you have to know you cannot change anyone. They
Speaker 1: have to want to change themselves, better themselves, change themselves.
Speaker 1: There's nothing you can do. You can lead them to
Speaker 1: a path, but did they take that path? Totally true?
Speaker 1: And even I think about this with staff, with friends,
Speaker 1: with relationships. You can't make a dog a cat. If
Speaker 1: you have a cat, it's a cat. You cannot make
Speaker 1: a dog a cat. You cannot make a cat a dog.
Speaker 1: You have to embrace what someone is. And you did
Speaker 1: marry so yeah, you have to take your a couple.
Speaker 1: But you're married a rock star at it. So there
Speaker 1: you know. I went out with lawyers, I went out
Speaker 1: with accountants. I but did I wanted that type of man. No,
Speaker 1: So I have to have a dark side inside of me.
Speaker 1: But I could have gone for the what was expected
Speaker 1: of me to marry some professional man, and I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't want it. Yes, So now you you know,
Speaker 1: as much as I always talk about cancelation, my perspective
Speaker 1: is just a viewer that's not like living inside Sharon's
Speaker 1: life or head. Was that you were on the Talk
Speaker 1: and I think it was on the Talk talking about
Speaker 1: what Piers Morgan's said, and then you ended up being
Speaker 1: called a racist because of something you said about Piers.
Speaker 1: And then shortly thereafter, for another reason, you are asked
Speaker 1: to leave the show, which I don't believe is separate.
Speaker 1: I believe everything's connected. And then I message you like
Speaker 1: either sorry that happened to you or good you're using
Speaker 1: your voice. I don't know what I said, but I
Speaker 1: felt something for what had happened to you, because I
Speaker 1: too had said a sentence about Maggie Markel and literally
Speaker 1: lost hundreds of thousands of dollars of deals, and like people,
Speaker 1: I mean, I was like, what just what the fund do?
Speaker 1: What just happened? And now it's popular to talk about
Speaker 1: this person a year later saying the exact same thing
Speaker 1: and not get in trouble, and it's all it's crazy,
Speaker 1: it's insanity, it's insanity. And then the world has put it. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm team Sharon, Oh I'm team this one here. Political
Speaker 1: or because you say something about a person, you're a
Speaker 1: racist or a Republican orger what if you just have
Speaker 1: an opinion about a person. Yeah, and this thing you say,
Speaker 1: just politics, right, why can't It's very weird to me
Speaker 1: that this country is so huge and there's only two parties.
Speaker 1: That that's what I never understand about this country. If
Speaker 1: you also, if you're not wearing a mask and you
Speaker 1: and you voted for Trump, and if you don't like
Speaker 1: Megan Markle, you voted for Trump, like that that what
Speaker 1: does that have to do it? Planity? It's insanity. Yeah,
Speaker 1: pick you up, put you in that box like, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: I like this bit about this party, this bit about
Speaker 1: this party. So I'm in the middle, right, No, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you like the stachio ice cream, you voted for
Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton. I mean it's so arbitra. Yes, it's something.
Speaker 1: It's all like, it's all everybody puts you with these boxes.
Speaker 1: Oh you must be this, you must be this, or
Speaker 1: hold on. My friend happened to know Megan Markle and
Speaker 1: that was never put out here, but he knew Megan
Speaker 1: Markle for a year. They would hang. She was the
Speaker 1: one that reached out to him on social media. La
Speaker 1: la la. She was a fan. So many of you.
Speaker 1: I know that, yes, I know this because I know
Speaker 1: she also wanted to get on watch What Happens Live
Speaker 1: and they didn't. She wasn't at that point. She was
Speaker 1: just thought she was on suits and wasn't an interesting Yes, nobody,
Speaker 1: did you see did you ever see Megan Markle on
Speaker 1: the cover of a magazine when she was in suits?
Speaker 1: Did you ever see her on a late night chat
Speaker 1: show when she was in suits? No? No? And that's
Speaker 1: by the way, it's fine to carry up. It's fine
Speaker 1: what we what we're watching now? And I thought to
Speaker 1: myself because I've spoken out on this a lot, as
Speaker 1: you know, and we have to look within ourselves as
Speaker 1: to what it what bothers us is it's something fraudulent,
Speaker 1: is it's something inauthentic? Why it bothers us? Because we
Speaker 1: have to look at that. I look at myself. Pierce
Speaker 1: has to look at himself. We you know, but I
Speaker 1: I each our own face every day and go are
Speaker 1: you good? Are you bad? You shouldn't have done that? Right?
Speaker 1: Why do I think about this and not the brittany thing?
Speaker 1: And I do so. So I today was thinking why
Speaker 1: because to have to be an authority on so many
Speaker 1: things when what you've done is you've been on television
Speaker 1: and you stand at podiums. You are a podium stander
Speaker 1: talking like what you you went to you Valdi And okay,
Speaker 1: you're on a podium talking to people or like you're
Speaker 1: just like you're on a podium tour. So so that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you're smarter than me, or because you married
Speaker 1: a prince. You have this institutional knowledge about the world
Speaker 1: that I don't have. And I was saying on here,
Speaker 1: I think that people don't like to be talked down to.
Speaker 1: Did you see what Mandela is now son said, well,
Speaker 1: there was a comment that Megan had made about in
Speaker 1: South Africa. She was told by this actor from Lion King.
Speaker 1: Was told by this South African actor that in South
Speaker 1: Africa when she got married, they were dancing in the
Speaker 1: streets like they did when Mandela was released from jail
Speaker 1: after twenty six years in prison. So she she repeated
Speaker 1: that story on her podcast. Now the actor who she
Speaker 1: was was meant to have said, this doesn't recall the conversation.
Speaker 1: Does that matter? Yeah, so ah, this is Craiz. Listen.
Speaker 1: After that, Mendellas, Mandela's son turned around and said, how
Speaker 1: can you compare when my father fought sixty My my
Speaker 1: grandfa my grandfather fought sixty years for apartite and you
Speaker 1: just married a white prince. How can you compere? So?
Speaker 1: Is he being by it? Is he being struck off?
Speaker 1: Is he blacklisted? No? But Sharon, here's the thing that
Speaker 1: I think is important for people to know. Timing and
Speaker 1: the way I got caught in the cross party, the timing,
Speaker 1: how could I the big, the big partners at these
Speaker 1: major multibillion dollar companies kids and deals with me. I
Speaker 1: was like, what I said a sentence, like, but it's
Speaker 1: okay to say that sentence today. It wasn't a year ago.
Speaker 1: Because tides turn, and it's really hard to be a
Speaker 1: person who's willing to speak your mind when you're supposed
Speaker 1: to wait for it to be popular. It's like, what
Speaker 1: the hell? And so the thing now as you say,
Speaker 1: it's like eighteen months later, anybody can say anything. I
Speaker 1: know it's not it wasn't popular them. But that's just
Speaker 1: to say with you, you went through a bit of
Speaker 1: a ship storm and I'm sure upset you mine. It's
Speaker 1: made it that, um, I'm untouchable. I am untouchable in
Speaker 1: this country. I can go to Australia I can go
Speaker 1: to Canada. I can go to not for long. I
Speaker 1: by the way, I don't think for long, and I
Speaker 1: give you a lot of credit. But I decided to
Speaker 1: go back in and my friends were like, why the hell.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want to. I checked my balance
Speaker 1: on my my bank and I did the show to talk,
Speaker 1: not to stifle and say the same thing everybody else
Speaker 1: is saying. At the filter my pictures, it was like,
Speaker 1: we know what it's like. This is the way I
Speaker 1: felt about it. CBS and a few women that were
Speaker 1: obviously um not liking me, and I thought that they
Speaker 1: did stab me in the back. And the thing is
Speaker 1: that they're going to stop me doing something for for
Speaker 1: me that I love to do. Are they going to
Speaker 1: put the full stop on my career? No way, I
Speaker 1: will not allow that to happen. So it's like you
Speaker 1: just carry on. You carry on. It's like you think, oh,
Speaker 1: time walk here at all. It hasn't killed here. And
Speaker 1: I bet I bet you were coming there too. You
Speaker 1: probably haven't popped your head out enough because you still
Speaker 1: think it's the same way. But just having popped my
Speaker 1: head out, it's different. And my question to you is
Speaker 1: where does Piers lie in all this is he how
Speaker 1: he's on top of the world, doesn't he? So can
Speaker 1: you work with him and do something? We do? We do?
Speaker 1: We do And Piers has been up. See I've known
Speaker 1: him for thirty years and he has always always supported
Speaker 1: Aussie and I he adores Aussie. He adores my kids
Speaker 1: as I adore his kids. It's a true friend. And
Speaker 1: when it happened, he was like, you've got to get
Speaker 1: up and fight. You cannot allow this. But also the
Speaker 1: thing about getting up and fighting, I agree with your way.
Speaker 1: I agree things get swollen and things are pick that
Speaker 1: and need to do. You need to step back and
Speaker 1: let them heal and then come in a different way.
Speaker 1: You're not a person who just goes to sleep forever.
Speaker 1: But I don't. I'll go and say what I feel
Speaker 1: and then I'll go into my turtle shelf for a
Speaker 1: minute because if it comes too much, I'm nauseated over
Speaker 1: myself and my own thoughts. So you got to pick
Speaker 1: your spots and um. But you're not one who wants
Speaker 1: to be stifled. And where is your career now? Like
Speaker 1: how do you feel about your career now? What do
Speaker 1: you want it to be? And what is it. I'm
Speaker 1: busy and that's what I cannot. I've work since I
Speaker 1: was fifteen, so I'm not going to stop now. Oh
Speaker 1: these new album is coming out tomorrow Sat Camber nine.
Speaker 1: We're doing a movie, a life movie on him. I've
Speaker 1: got three different shows in England I'm working on. So
Speaker 1: it's like, I'm fine, You're busy, you're successful, you feel
Speaker 1: financially thrilled, like you're fine. Money is never an issue
Speaker 1: for you, know because I've always had Aussie there great,
Speaker 1: so you don't have that worry. You're doing what you
Speaker 1: want to do and feeling passionate. But don't you also
Speaker 1: feel like for me? So I've never been offered more
Speaker 1: things and have more opportunities. I've never turned more things down.
Speaker 1: I only want to do what I like to do.
Speaker 1: And even like, you know you'll get my publicist, Well,
Speaker 1: this is something and you really should do it, and
Speaker 1: we know it's not paid, but this person did it,
Speaker 1: and that famous person did it and you and I'm like,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to do it. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's going to change anything. I don't want is it
Speaker 1: is it philanthropy? Is it paid? Is it not? Time
Speaker 1: away from my daughter, like is it here in my house?
Speaker 1: These are the things I want. I don't want to
Speaker 1: do things that I that I don't want to do
Speaker 1: that even make a lot of money. I have turned
Speaker 1: down millions of dollars on Housewives, millions of dollars on
Speaker 1: selling stuff on TV, like I keep taking it down
Speaker 1: smaller and this I want to do. I want to
Speaker 1: talk to you. I want to say what I feel.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed this. I don't want to do what I
Speaker 1: don't enjoy me to me too. It's like you come
Speaker 1: to a point in your life where what are you
Speaker 1: you want to be? Uh in your face celebrity or
Speaker 1: do you want to be true to yourself? Yes? And
Speaker 1: and and for people even who are even who just
Speaker 1: work in an office or different levels of their career.
Speaker 1: You the muscle like you don't realize even how many
Speaker 1: things you're saying yes to, like as a mother with
Speaker 1: your kids, and with the friends, and with the social
Speaker 1: plans and the traveling Like I went on four trips
Speaker 1: this summer. I realized I don't like to leave my house.
Speaker 1: Why am I going away and packing and transacting and
Speaker 1: doing these things that look good on paper? And then
Speaker 1: you do them, and you're like, that's not even me.
Speaker 1: And it's the same thing with work. We just say
Speaker 1: yes to so many things. They sound good on a
Speaker 1: calendar four months, your people pleasing yes exactly exactly. You go,
Speaker 1: why the funk am I here? I do want to
Speaker 1: be here? Why did I say yes? Yes? And now
Speaker 1: people that have worked for me, some of them for
Speaker 1: over thirty years, and they go to me, why are
Speaker 1: you saying yes, you're right? And I'm like, you're right,
Speaker 1: you're right, you're right because you people, please, sure, I'll
Speaker 1: turn up for you. Yes, I'll be there. I'll do this. Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't mind if it's twelve hours for well and
Speaker 1: then you're there and you're grabbed. She's like, why am
Speaker 1: I exactly? So we agree on a lot. So I
Speaker 1: just always ask what your rose and your thorn of
Speaker 1: your career work, because sometimes these are surprising, even though
Speaker 1: we talked about so much, Oh, my lord, my roses,
Speaker 1: my husband's career. My thorn was a show that I
Speaker 1: did for v H one. They did what I think
Speaker 1: that they do on Housewives. They'll wind somebody up so
Speaker 1: they know your achilles heel. Wow. Oh yes, and I've
Speaker 1: got this girl's hair extensions and I yank and they
Speaker 1: said something about my husband and I just went. But
Speaker 1: it was a wind up by the production crew because
Speaker 1: this girl didn't have the mentality to think about herself.
Speaker 1: But I've never worked on one of those shows before.
Speaker 1: I love to set you against each other, and that
Speaker 1: was the thorn. That's so amazing. So that's not something
Speaker 1: anyone would ever think. And then last, how are your kids?
Speaker 1: I think great. My son just had his fourth daughter, wow,
Speaker 1: four girls, and Kelly is pregnant and she's due in
Speaker 1: two months. And my eldest daughter is doing her writing
Speaker 1: and living her life and she's as happy as anything.
Speaker 1: So so you're happy every every the band is back together,
Speaker 1: good as he is getting better, you know, with his illness,
Speaker 1: every day is getting stronger and stronger. So my life
Speaker 1: is good and I can honestly say I'm not I'm now.
Speaker 1: I hold no hostilities against anything that was done to
Speaker 1: me except for CBS, and I will never ever forgive
Speaker 1: that network. How can you fight CBS. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to take two three years in core fight in them.
Speaker 1: It's like that would have been two or three years
Speaker 1: out of my life. That's all I would have done
Speaker 1: was do depositions and think about them, and it's like
Speaker 1: you're not worth it. They didn't give me, like it
Speaker 1: was reported millions of dollars when I went, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I never want anyone to say that I was paid
Speaker 1: that money because I wasn't and I don't want their money,
Speaker 1: so it's like, fuck them. That's like a movie, like
Speaker 1: the Roger Ales movie about Fox. It sounds like a
Speaker 1: documentary and it will happen one day. Yeah, yeah, they
Speaker 1: better watch out. Um, you're amazing and it's such a
Speaker 1: good time. I'm so glad I got to meet you.
Speaker 1: Sharon Osborne legend, married to a legend, so early in
Speaker 1: the reality television space with her family, that was just exhilarating.
Speaker 1: People are so filtered and worried, and I always say,
Speaker 1: just you know, mentioned at all and if you want
Speaker 1: to take something out, this has not got you at all.
Speaker 1: But I want to have conversations and really hear about someone.
Speaker 1: I mean, Sharon is just a gangster. She was so honest.
Speaker 1: There's no way she couldn't have been honest. She didn't
Speaker 1: watch a single comma, not a word, just like me.
Speaker 1: We are so similar and I always find these similarities
Speaker 1: in people on the show that I just find extraordinary.
Speaker 1: I was so amazing. That was one of my favorite
Speaker 1: interviews ever. Sharon gives zero Fox and just amazing, and
Speaker 1: she went through the goddamn ringer over defending Piers Morgan
Speaker 1: in relation to Meg and Markel. Like Sharon and I
Speaker 1: both have a thing that happened to us surrounding Mega Markle.
Speaker 1: So wow, just an amazing, amazing interview. Thank you for listening.