1 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: It is time for another season of Unsigned and Independent. 2 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: Five episodes are back with Kevin O'Connell aka Kickoff Kevin 3 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: aka how are you finding these people? 4 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 2: Various ways? This recent one, A couple ones so far 5 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 2: this season are actually through Scuba or some other connections, 6 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: whether it's Mike or people dming me, all kinds of defroids. 7 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: Do you ever just go out? 8 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I have that too. Yeah. On the next one, 9 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 2: there's some of that. 10 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: Do you ever go and you're like, I'm gonna go 11 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: check this person out and see if want to bring 12 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: them on? And they're not very good, so you don't 13 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: bring them on. 14 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 2: I have had similar, not necessarily that, but yeah, something similar. 15 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: So here we go. 16 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 2: This is Shalin Shalen. So tell me about Shalan So Shalen. 17 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 2: She has quite the story. Actually, she's actually signed to 18 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 2: Young Money, Cash Money Records. Back in the day, she 19 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: was part of a pop group. I don't want to 20 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 2: say too much here, but very unique. She's been all 21 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: around from l to Hear Dallas, and she's back in 22 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 2: Nashville for little under a year now. 23 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: And how'd you know about her? 24 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: I found her. I came across on Instagram and then 25 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 2: I saw some of her stuff and I liked her. 26 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: And then actually Scuba mentioned her about a month or 27 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: two ago and he's like, hey, do you know anything 28 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: about Shalen? And I said no, true, long story short, 29 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:18,119 Speaker 2: and then here we. 30 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: Are speaking of past artists that you've done. Here. I 31 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: saw the girl who does like. 32 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 2: Punk country h Royal Lynn. 33 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 34 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: I saw her on TikTok. 35 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 2: It was really good. Really yeah, she was really good. 36 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: She's great on TikTok. 37 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. 38 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 2: What's her name again, royal Lynn? 39 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 3: Royal Lynn. 40 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she was really good. 41 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: Okay, here we go. So season two, episode six, it's 42 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: kickoff Kevin Kevin O'Connell with Shalen on Unsigned and Independent Shalen, 43 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: How are you doing? 44 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 4: I am great? How are you? 45 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 2: I'm doing good? Doing good. I wanted to get right 46 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: into your background here. When I grew up, I played 47 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: a lot of sports growing up, Okay. I bounced around 48 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 2: from whether it was in the fall, is football, spring, baseball, 49 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 2: winter bath, and it never stopped. I was going for practice, 50 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 2: to practice, game, the game, my dad, mom, everybody was 51 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: taking me everywhere. I was curious. You said you got 52 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: into music early. What was your upbringing? 53 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 4: Like? 54 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 3: You know, what's crazy is like my whole family does 55 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 3: like no one's in music, Like my parents are FBI 56 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 3: that's how they met. 57 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, weird. 58 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: I don't know. 59 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 3: I know my dad was like a really pretty crazy 60 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 3: undercover agent. 61 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 4: Now he's retired. 62 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 3: But and then like my other brothers like they did 63 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 3: like ones a firefighter ones, like he does like construction work. 64 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 4: So it's no one did music. And I just. 65 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 3: Remember coming out of the womb pretty much. And I 66 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 3: actually don't remember coming out of the womb. That'd be weird, 67 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 3: but I do remember the fact of like I was 68 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 3: in church for the first time and I was singing 69 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 3: in the choir and I remember like they had an 70 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 3: offering moment where like you somebody sing a solo and 71 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 3: I was like, I want to do that. And I 72 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 3: was like six or seven, and Miss June gave me 73 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 3: the opportunity to sing the offering that day for all 74 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 3: three services and it's called bringing the Sheaves, and I 75 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 3: just remember for like those three minutes, I was like, 76 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 3: oh my god, I have to do this for the 77 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 3: rest of my life. Like I don't know what it 78 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 3: was of like whatever feeling that was whatever, like looking 79 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 3: at people in the eyes, like while I was singing, 80 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 3: and I was just like this, this would have to do. 81 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 4: So after that, I was it was just I was 82 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 4: hell bent. 83 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 3: So my mom all of a sudden, I was like, 84 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 3: I need a piano, I need to be in vocal lessons, 85 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 3: I need to do this, and they were just like okay, 86 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 3: like chill, like let's take this one step at a time. 87 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 4: I did do sports on the side. 88 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 3: My family was very like my parents were the best 89 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 3: as far as if I wasn't good at something, they 90 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 3: told me, they told me right away, like volleyball, no, 91 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 3: absolutely not, don't let me touch one. 92 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 4: We tried it failed. 93 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 3: So the music thing, when we started to do that, 94 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 3: my mom was like, Okay, this is this is what 95 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 3: she's passionate about. So I started doing musical theater at 96 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 3: playing on children's theater. I started doing all the school plays. 97 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 3: I really thought I was gonna end up on Broadway 98 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 3: because musical theater is like one of my passions. And 99 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 3: then I started doing like a private master's class at 100 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 3: this place called Septian Entertainment Group, and we then I 101 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 3: got into this pop group and that was my life. 102 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 3: Like I would go to school and then I would 103 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 3: do anything that I could afterwards to focus on music, 104 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 3: piano lessons, vocal lessons, anything I could possibly do. 105 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 4: And my mom was amazing. She was there for everything, 106 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 4: and so you. 107 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,799 Speaker 2: Did that your whole life. Were they big on music, 108 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 2: like they didn't obviously work in it, but were they 109 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,799 Speaker 2: big fans of music? Country music, any kind of music? 110 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 2: And did they know or were they just kind of 111 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 2: going along with a ride for you or with you? 112 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 4: My family loves music. 113 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 3: My dad played everything from cher Elvis, Ella, Fitzgerald, all 114 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 3: of these different people and then country like I remember 115 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 3: my one of my first CDs that I ever got, Wow, 116 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 3: that feels weird to say. Britney Spears was one. And 117 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 3: then I was obsessed with Uncle Cracker, obsessed love that, 118 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 3: and my mom bought the CD and my dad came home. 119 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 4: He's like, Peggy's suit, what are you doing? 120 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 3: This is an X rated album where something since that 121 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 3: explicit and it was like this whole thing, and I 122 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 3: was like in the and I was thinking follow me, 123 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 3: not knowing at all what it was about till years 124 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 3: later and I was like, man, that's kind of kind. 125 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 4: Of messed up, but I love this song. 126 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 3: It was a big Uncle Cracker fan. Then Brad Paisley 127 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 3: was one of my first concerts. Taylor Swift was opening 128 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 3: for him with Kelly Pickler, and I just I was like, 129 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 3: I love country music so much. I love country Whiskey, Lullaby, 130 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 3: stay By Sugarland, like those are staples in my life. 131 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 3: That was just like, these are some of my favorite 132 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 3: songs ever. And I grew up on country music and 133 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 3: I absolutely love it. 134 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 4: Church and country music. 135 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 2: Those two all those go hand in hand. And where 136 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 2: did you grow up? 137 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 3: Partially Chattanooga, Tennessee, and then I moved to Dallas the 138 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 3: rest of the time when I was like seven and 139 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 3: grew up there, and then I moved to LA when 140 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 3: I was seventeen. 141 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 2: When did you move here? 142 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 4: August? 143 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 2: Okay? From La? Correct? From in La a little bit? 144 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 2: Then if you don't mind you move We're out there 145 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 2: for how long? 146 00:05:58,320 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 4: Ten years? 147 00:05:59,200 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: Wow? 148 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 4: Yeah? 149 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: Okay? 150 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 4: Yeah? I was pursuing pop music out there. 151 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 2: Okay. What made you pursue the pop? Was that something 152 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 2: that you were just into at the time? 153 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 4: So it was interesting. 154 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 3: I was in a pop group when I probably when 155 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 3: I was turning like twelve, I got into this Christian 156 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 3: pop group. 157 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 4: We would tour churches all over Texas. 158 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 3: And then like two three years later, like it became 159 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:20,679 Speaker 3: a little bit more serious. 160 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 4: We kind of like became just a pop group. 161 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 3: There was this lady, Jordan Spicer, who then found us 162 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 3: somehow created a little sitcom around us that we filmed 163 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 3: the pilot at the Fellowship of the Woodlands in Houston 164 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 3: and we it got picked up by Stars, Kids and Family, 165 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 3: Like it was really successful overseas on like ABC three 166 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 3: in Australia. In fact, a lot of the people that 167 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 3: follow me are like fans from those days, Like it's 168 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 3: really wild. And then all of a sudden, we have 169 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 3: this TV show pop off. We filmed twenty six episodes 170 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,239 Speaker 3: in Michigan at the time. So I leave high school, 171 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 3: I'm homeschooled for the rest of the time, and I'm 172 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 3: turning seven teen and Young Money Cash Money signs us, 173 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 3: which doesn't make any sense when I'm looking back on it. 174 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,119 Speaker 3: Like they wanted to branch out on the pop side 175 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 3: of things. So NICKI had just put out Starships with 176 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 3: Red One, okay, and they were like, we want to 177 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 3: do this pop group thing, and I was just like, oh, 178 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 3: like this is crazy. So Slim and Birdman flew us 179 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 3: to La Oh Yeah, it was wild. 180 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 2: I was huge. I mean, this is what year was. 181 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 4: This was twenty eleven, okay, twenty ten. 182 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 2: That was a huge. I was very into that. Lil Wayne, 183 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 2: the whole crew. 184 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 3: It was like like when I tell you we met Drake, 185 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 3: we met Nikki, we were at all the YMCMB parties, 186 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 3: and we're just these little kids, Like it didn't make 187 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 3: any sense. 188 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 4: It didn't. 189 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 3: They flew us to Paris to do the album with 190 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 3: Red One, and I'm just like, I'm just sitting there 191 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 3: like wait, I was just in high school yesterday and 192 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 3: now I'm doing an album in Paris with. 193 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 2: Red One, Like how did those two world? 194 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 3: It was they found us on YouTube or something like 195 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 3: somebody sent them our stuff and they were like, we're 196 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 3: really interested in being our first pop group. It was 197 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 3: a disaster because they spent Like, first of all, we 198 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 3: did need to go to Paris. There was five of 199 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 3: us with a whole entourage because we're underage, so we 200 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 3: have to take her manage, Like that's thousands of dollars. 201 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 4: Then we did this music video that was just massive 202 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 4: for the single. 203 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 3: We had this partnership like with Young and Reckless at 204 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 3: the time, all these different things and then it came 205 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 3: time to like actually put out the music, and there's 206 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 3: like no budget or anything for radio, Like there's like 207 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 3: it's it's a disaster. Like it's not like you can 208 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 3: put pop music on daptpith dot com or makes tape 209 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 3: dot com Like oh yeah. 210 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 4: Oh yeah. 211 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 3: I was a big dat pif girl. I was a big, 212 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 3: big fan. So we we get shelfed like that. And 213 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 3: I just remember We're still in Texas at the time, 214 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 3: and we would go back and forth to LA and 215 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 3: Miami to work at the Hit Factory, and I just 216 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 3: remember I was like, you guys, we got to go 217 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 3: out there. 218 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 4: We gotta get in their face. 219 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 3: And my parents were just like what your dirt eighteen, Like, 220 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 3: you're gonna go out to LA. 221 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 4: But there's no stopping me. 222 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 3: Like once I like, once I have decided something, that's it, 223 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 3: Like you can't and my parents know that. 224 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 4: They just know that, so they were very supportive about it. 225 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 3: They were like, listen, if this is what you gotta do, 226 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 3: but like, you realize how expensive it is to live 227 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 3: out there. 228 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 4: I move out there. 229 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 3: I live in two hundred and thirty two square foot apartment. 230 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 3: There's no kitchen, there's no nothing. I'm working three jobs 231 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 3: at the time, I'm signed to one of the biggest 232 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 3: labels in the world. My life was six months before that, 233 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 3: traveling doing a tour in South America, like and then 234 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 3: six months and I am working three jobs, I am 235 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 3: living in a box, I have no money to my name, 236 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 3: and I am stuck in a contract. And I was 237 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 3: stuck in that contract. This is my release, states key 238 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:48,599 Speaker 3: back to my freedom. I have it tatted on me 239 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 3: because it was. 240 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 4: A big day. 241 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 2: Wow. 242 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, my group's put up like probably two years later. 243 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 3: They were like, this isn't like we're stuck, this isn't working. 244 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 3: And I it was the most depressing but also such 245 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 3: a humbling experience to know how bad I wanted it. 246 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 3: I was like, oh yeah, like I really want this. 247 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 3: My group went back home. They all do like once 248 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 3: a pastor now like they all have kids and they 249 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 3: have beautiful lives. 250 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 4: And I was just like the lunatic that was like, 251 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 4: I have to do music. I have to make it work. 252 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 3: So I stayed stuck in the contract for a couple 253 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 3: of years and then I got out of it started 254 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 3: really figuring out my way as far as like being 255 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 3: a songwriter. I got really heavy into the DM world. 256 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 3: I would message pretty much the only way I learned 257 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 3: how to write a song was messaging all of these 258 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 3: SoundCloud producers and was just like, I need you to 259 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 3: send me a track, You send me a track, like 260 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 3: cause no one would really work with me because I 261 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 3: was affiliated with Cash Money at the time and they 262 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 3: were going through all these lawsuits, so no one really 263 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 3: felt comfortable knowing that that was my label, and so 264 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 3: I just had to message all these SoundCloud producers and 265 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 3: I would just sit in my room for hours. I 266 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 3: would study Max Martin, I would study all these different people, 267 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 3: and I was horrible at first trying to write a 268 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 3: song about myself, and then I just got better and better, 269 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 3: and then I wrote my way to my first publishing 270 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 3: deal out there. I flew to Korea a bunch to 271 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 3: do a bunch of K pop for K pop artists, 272 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 3: and then I landed my record deal with Republic in 273 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 3: twenty eighteen for pop and they were amazing. It was 274 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 3: always great, and then COVID happened. I took a step back. 275 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 3: I also was surrounded by people that it was just 276 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 3: not good. It was not it was not a good situation. 277 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 3: They were at the point where then in twenty twenty, 278 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, it was like, you're never gonna work. 279 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 3: You need to stop doing the artist thing. You need 280 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 3: to just write for people. And I was broken hearted. 281 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 4: I was devastated. 282 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 3: And then I met my now manager, who's incredible, Tommy Hubbard, 283 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 3: and he brought me out to Nashville. But it was 284 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 3: under my old management was like, she's not going to 285 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 3: do an artist thing, like she needs to be out 286 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 3: there and write for people. And I wrote my first 287 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 3: song called what If I Don't at nine am with 288 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 3: Phil Barton, Lindsay Rhymes, and seth Ennis and I remember 289 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 3: leaving that session bawling my eyes out, and I was. 290 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 4: Like, I have to be here. I have to be here. 291 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 4: So I went back. 292 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 3: I asked Republic like they were amazing. They're like, whatever 293 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 3: you got to do to win, we support you, like 294 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 3: you you can walk, and. 295 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 4: They let me walk. 296 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 3: I fired my old team and I turned my life 297 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 3: upside down and moved out here in August of last year. 298 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 2: Wow. 299 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, So that's like in the nutshell, that is a lot. 300 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 4: It's a lot. There's so much more to it, but 301 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 4: that's like the Cadets And. 302 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 2: That was over a decade span, so you touched all genres, 303 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 2: You hung out with every kind of crowd you can think. 304 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 4: You have no idea. 305 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 2: What was the difference then, because I used to live 306 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 2: in LA before I moved out here as well, and 307 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 2: I was wondering, I wasn't I was working in sports 308 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 2: at the time, so I wasn't really involved in the 309 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 2: music industry. What's the biggest difference other than you know, 310 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 2: it's more poppy out there and obviously more country here. 311 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 2: What do you think of the biggest difference is trying 312 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 2: to do music there and surviving in the music world 313 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 2: there compare to Nashville. 314 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 3: It's crazy because they're both equally, Like there's so many 315 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 3: talented people there, and there's so many talented people here. 316 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 3: But I will say, like Nashville is like, uh, you 317 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 3: come here and like every day I wake up and 318 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 3: I try to like become better at my craft because 319 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 3: there are so many talented people here. And I think 320 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 3: that the live show aspect, I think that it's such 321 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 3: about the music, whereas like LA is really about the networking. 322 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 3: It's about the networking and what can you do for 323 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 3: me and how can I get ahead? 324 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 4: And that's amazing. That's cool, it's necessary. 325 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 3: But I feel like here is really about the music first, 326 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 3: and if you're good and you're writing great songs, like. 327 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 4: It's like respectable. 328 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 3: Whereas LA, I feel like, if you're really good at 329 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 3: cloud chasing, yeah, Ben, you know it. 330 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 4: And I love I love La, don't get wrong. 331 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 3: But uh no, I just I love Nashville. I wouldn't 332 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 3: I It's so funny. I was supposed to come out 333 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 3: here when I was twenty one. I was like approached 334 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 3: by manager and he was like, you need to come 335 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 3: back act and come back to your roots. And I 336 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 3: my old team was like, no, if you do that, 337 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 3: you're gonna ruin your career and all this stuff. 338 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 4: So like I was supposed to come out years ago. Yeah, 339 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 4: but the timing of it, you can't really yeah, right. 340 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 2: And at the same time, you learn so much at 341 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 2: your time out there. If you've moved out here when 342 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 2: you were young and twenty one and you know fresh 343 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 2: and thousand, person knows where you'd be right now and 344 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 2: your mentally wouldn't be the same spot. So it's always 345 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 2: it's always one of those take the good with the 346 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 2: bad and learn from what you can and try to 347 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 2: move on and just better your life and more than anything, 348 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 2: especially professionally. Yeah, you talked about your song what If 349 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 2: I don't. I'm gonna play a little clipper here in 350 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 2: the Okay, So that song I saw today has over 351 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 2: nine million streams. 352 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. 353 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 2: What is it about this song that you think? Because 354 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: when I first heard it, obviously it connects with anybody. 355 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 2: We've all been through the heartbreak. Oh god, ugly break up, 356 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 2: this sad breakup, and it's one of those you things, 357 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 2: it's the end of the world. You just want to 358 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: crawl up in your bed, and you have the lyrics, 359 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 2: you know, what if I don't like? What if you 360 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 2: move on? And what if I don't? What if I'm 361 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 2: doing this? And what if you don't? Because you always 362 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 2: think they're living a better life. 363 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 4: Oh, it's the worst feeling in the world. 364 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 2: So that's what connects with me and probably nine plus 365 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 2: million other people that have down there crazy And what 366 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 2: did this song? How did it come about for you? 367 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 3: You know what's crazy is I was at the lowest 368 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 3: point of my life when I wrote that song. I 369 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 3: was my relationship at that time, was the person I 370 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 3: thought I was gonna marry, and it was like we 371 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 3: were taking time apart, and I we thought like it 372 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 3: was gonna like I thought that we were working on 373 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 3: being better people, and there was a whole different agenda 374 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 3: on his end, which is fine, but he ended up 375 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 3: having like this whole girlfriend that I found out about. 376 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 3: As it was, it was a mess, but basically, like 377 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 3: in this time period, I was just like, he's posting 378 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 3: this girl. He looks so happy, like he's doing all 379 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 3: the things that he didn't do for me, like and 380 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 3: not that posting or anything matters, but it was just 381 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 3: like he looks proud of this relationship. He looks he 382 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 3: looks happy, and I was just like, am I forever 383 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 3: gonna feel this way? Am I forever gonna like drink 384 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 3: a glass of whiskey and like want to call him? 385 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 3: Or like the first time I hear good news, like 386 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 3: I will say, for like a good year. Every time 387 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 3: I got good news about like all of this stuff 388 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 3: happening here, the first person I wanted to call was him. 389 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 3: And that's the worst feeling in the world, because you 390 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 3: share so much with somebody and he becomes strangers, and 391 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 3: it's that feeling of just. 392 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 4: Like like it's so hard, it's so hard. 393 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 3: And I love him as a person, but it's just 394 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 3: I was I was at rock bottom and I just 395 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 3: remember coming into that session thinking that I had to 396 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 3: write for other people, and I just remember leaving there 397 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 3: and I was like, no, nobody can sing this song, 398 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 3: like this is my song, Like and I love pitching songs. 399 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 3: I love like anybody can take them, but there's a 400 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 3: few songs that like, no, that's my story and I 401 00:16:58,800 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 3: have to tell it. 402 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 4: I'm so freaking glad I did because I put. 403 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 3: It out independently and it's I've never had a song 404 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 3: ever do what it's doing. 405 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 2: Did you think it was going to be that successful? 406 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 2: I had no. 407 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 3: I was just so excited to put music out for 408 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 3: the first time in like a year and a half, 409 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 3: And like I was nervous because I was like, I'm 410 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 3: making this transition. I don't know if people are going 411 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 3: to be, like how they're going to feel about it. 412 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 3: I don't know if this world's going to accept me. 413 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 3: I was like kind of nervous, but I was also 414 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 3: so excited because it was something new that I felt 415 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 3: like I was so connected to it for the first 416 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 3: time in a long time. Because I will say like 417 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 3: I fell out of love with music for the first 418 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 3: time during COVID, Like I it was the first time 419 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 3: in my entire life I'd questioned is this still for me? 420 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 4: And that broke my heart, Like I've never questioned that before. 421 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 4: So when I came here and. 422 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 3: I made this music, not to mention so much music 423 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 3: that whole week that I'm so excited for it to 424 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 3: come out, but I just remember falling back in love 425 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 3: with it, and even though I was heartbroken and sad, 426 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 3: that feeling kept me going. And I was just so 427 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 3: excited for the world to have something that I was 428 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 3: excited about. And I feel like, once if something's so 429 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 3: authentically you, I feel like people can't not connect to it. 430 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 3: And that's it's crazy to me the stories that people 431 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 3: will will message me about of like, because I didn't 432 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 3: even think about it this way. Of a lot majority 433 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 3: of these are yes, relationships ending, but people passing away. Yeah, 434 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 3: and that's like a big one that I didn't even 435 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 3: think about. I was just like, WHOA, this is crazy. Yeah, 436 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 3: it's crazy what a song can do. 437 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 2: It really is And I truly mean it when I 438 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 2: first heard it, and I was just like, I mean, 439 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 2: I kind of went through a similar I thought I 440 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 2: was gonna marry somebody broke up and that was four 441 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 2: or five years ago, and it still kind of brings 442 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 2: you back, But like now you're moved on and I'm 443 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 2: fine and all that, Yes, but you still you understand 444 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 2: the song and you can relate to the song no 445 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 2: matter how long it's been, whether it's been last week 446 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 2: or four or five, ten years ago. Yeah, because we've 447 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 2: all been there and that thing all been there. When 448 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 2: you hear that song and then you can hear it 449 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 2: in your voice, and then now I can hear you 450 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: talking about it. It's just a great song. I appreciate you, 451 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 2: and I'm not surprised by the success it's doing, for sure. 452 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:03,479 Speaker 4: Thank you. 453 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 2: When you go into writing a song, do you have 454 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 2: something in mind that you want to put out or 455 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 2: is it something that you're feeling that day, something that 456 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 2: you wake up to that morning. 457 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 3: Typically I'll have concept, like I just got to write 458 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 3: this song that I've had the concept in my phone 459 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 3: since like March, and I had a situation with the 460 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 3: same ex that like happened recently, and I was just 461 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 3: like I had this concept and I remember there's a 462 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 3: few sessions that I know going in like if I've 463 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 3: worked with them before, I'm like, okay, like this is 464 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 3: the concept today. But there was one last Friday that 465 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 3: i'd had it. We were talking about the story and 466 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 3: it all came together and like it's like my new favorite. 467 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 4: What if I don't almost like I'm so excited, but 468 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 4: the song out, but it was. 469 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 3: I'll usually have like the ideas that I want to 470 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 3: walk in with and I get really I have the 471 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 3: chord progressions or like what I wanted it to sound like, 472 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 3: and I get really excited because people would like to 473 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 3: collab with everybody and just hear their ideas, and the 474 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 3: song writing process itself is so exciting. 475 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 2: Do you know going into writing a song, whether you're 476 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 2: gonna write it for yourself or somebody else. 477 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 3: Typically I just always go in writing like as if 478 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 3: it were for me, because I think when I unless 479 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 3: somebody's like, hey, we're looking for X, Y and Z, 480 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 3: and I have like a job that day. But I typically, 481 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 3: no matter what, write a song just telling my story 482 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 3: and then if that resonates with somebody else's story and 483 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 3: they need to sing it, great. 484 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 2: Is that Do they do they reach out to you 485 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 2: and ask you for a song, or is it. You 486 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 2: kind of put a song out there and that's up 487 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 2: for if somebody wants it for the taking, or you 488 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 2: cut it yourself. 489 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 3: I typically cut all the songs, and then if somebody's 490 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 3: like pitching records and they're like, somebody's looking for this 491 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 3: kind of song, do you have anything? 492 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 4: And I'm like, yeah, like, let's see if this works. 493 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 3: And if I know I'm not putting it out of 494 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 3: my artist stuff, then I just send it and see 495 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 3: where it goes. 496 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 2: Do you have a favorite co writing session out here 497 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 2: in Nashville that you've done so far? 498 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 4: Oh my god, there's so many. 499 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 3: I will say my most recent favorite is Michael Whitworth 500 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 3: and Lindsay Rhymes that was. 501 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 4: What a day? What a day? Indeed. 502 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,479 Speaker 3: I love Jess Caine, I love I love Phil Barton, 503 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 3: I love Lindsay, I love Elliot Tishinski, I love I 504 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 3: just love everybody I. 505 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 2: Work out here. 506 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 3: I could honestly like Andie Albert said that is everybody. 507 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 4: I just love them. I really have not had a 508 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 4: co write where I'm just like, and I love that. 509 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 2: Do you know a lot of it? I'm always curious 510 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 2: about this, no matter who the artist is. Do you 511 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 2: know these people going into when you're going to write 512 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 2: a song with them, because I feel like I've never 513 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 2: written a song, I've never been in a co writing 514 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 2: room anything like that. I feel like some people know 515 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 2: who they're going to write with or they don't, And 516 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 2: if you don't, is that kind of awkward or no majory. 517 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 3: Actually, every session that I've ever been in, unless I've 518 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 3: worked with you before, I'm going in not knowing these people, 519 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,239 Speaker 3: and it's kind of like a blind date where you 520 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 3: like bear your soul and you bear everything, like and 521 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 3: I'm an open book, so like I really go into 522 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 3: detail about what's going in my life, probably a little 523 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 3: bit more than I should. Kind of comes back to 524 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 3: by being the butt sometimes, but I really lay it 525 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 3: all out and then you talk through it. 526 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 4: You talk through like the things that are going on. 527 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 3: And you make a song and then you hope that 528 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 3: that song does something. It's the weirdest concept where the 529 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 3: people who are like, so, what's a session, I'm like, 530 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 3: it's kind of like speed dating. 531 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 4: Like you really just sit down. You don't know these people. 532 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 3: You're hoping that the energy and everything clicks it does 533 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 3: you make a great song, the song perhaps change your 534 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,399 Speaker 3: life and that's it's weird. 535 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 4: It's just weird. 536 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 2: I've always had this thought in the back of my 537 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 2: mind where like I kind of want to would like 538 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 2: to sit in on one of those should see what 539 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 2: it's like. You should just have a better idea, because 540 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 2: I don't think anybody really understands. No one in that room, 541 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: Like you don't know how a song comes about. You 542 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 2: hear this song, but you don't really know. 543 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 3: To be honest with you, most of the time, when 544 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 3: I leave a session and I hear this song, I'm like, 545 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 3: did we write that? Like it's almost like I'm channeling 546 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 3: something that's just far beyond me that I couldn't even 547 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,360 Speaker 3: I don't even know how to describe it, because it's 548 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 3: something far greater than it's just crazy. 549 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 4: It's really cool. You should come in. I'll have you 550 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 4: come in. 551 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,479 Speaker 2: Did I read a story about you with Dave Matthews? 552 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 2: He said, you have there. 553 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 4: It is the love of my life, David, if you 554 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 4: ever listened to that. 555 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 3: So I'll make this short. So I was in my 556 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 3: group at the time. I was probably I think I 557 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 3: was eighteen. We had a show in Washington, d C. 558 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 3: I'm a big Dave Matthews fan like Big Dave Matthews. 559 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 3: I've been to like seven of the Dave Matthews Band. 560 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,479 Speaker 4: Shows, but I was so obsessed. 561 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 3: With the first time I'd ever seen something of him, 562 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 3: it was I'd seen his show, but then I'd seen 563 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 3: this video of him and Tim Reynolds at Radio City 564 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 3: Music Hall, and I was like, I have to see 565 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 3: one of those shows, which they rarely play, just them 566 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 3: two together. And I remember we had a show in Washington, 567 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 3: d C. And he was doing a Jane Goodall event 568 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 3: at the time. That was a private show with him 569 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 3: and Tim Reynolds, and I was like, I have to 570 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 3: go to the show, so we stayed an extra day. 571 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 3: I at the time, I'm explaining this for a reason. 572 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 3: I had bright red hair, bright red hair. I'd just 573 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 3: gotten the carrotin treatment done, which the carrots and treatment 574 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 3: you couldn't wash your hair, you couldn't wet your hair 575 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 3: anything for the first three days. And this was fresh 576 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 3: off the press. I'm talking like straight spicy. I was 577 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 3: feeling myself. We were going to the show. I was 578 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 3: feeling great, and we were sitting in Washington, d C. 579 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 3: Having lunch right before the show, and we're paying the 580 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 3: bill and I just feel this like massive thing go 581 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 3: down the side of my head and HiT's bird poop. 582 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 4: Like I'm not talking like a small thing. I'm talking 583 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 4: like this bird just ate a. 584 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 3: Small animal like it just and then it just dropped 585 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 3: it on my head. And I'm talking smelly, I'm talking 586 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 3: like crusty and like all the things that you could 587 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,719 Speaker 3: think of poop. It was on the side of my 588 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 3: bright red head, and I couldn't wet it, I couldn't 589 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 3: wash it. 590 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 4: I couldn't even put it up in a ponytail. 591 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 3: I had to sit there and like smudge it into 592 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 3: my hair to get it to come out. 593 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 4: So now my hair's like clumping together and you can. 594 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 3: Fully see the crusty outline of the white and grayish 595 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 3: colors on the red. And I'm devastated. I'm sobbing. We're 596 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 3: like thirty minutes from going to this concert. I'm like, 597 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 3: I can't go. I smelled really bad, like it was 598 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 3: a smell I've never known. 599 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 4: And my other group member was. 600 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 3: Like, just suck it up, like it's fine, we're gonna go. 601 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 3: I was like, no, this is a disaster. So we're walking, 602 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 3: We're like in the city. We're trying to find the 603 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 3: concert hall. I'm sobbing my eyes out. We walk into 604 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 3: what we thought was the concert hall and it right 605 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 3: there in front of us is Dave Matthews, Tim Reynolds, 606 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 3: and Jane Goodall doing. 607 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 4: A private meet and greet. 608 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 3: And I like, stop because the concert hall's over here. 609 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 3: And we walked in the wrong place. None the security 610 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 3: saw us walk in, Nobody did. Nobody was looking if 611 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 3: we had a pass. And I was like, get in 612 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 3: the line, now, get in the line. We're going to 613 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 3: meet him. I was like, I don't even care if 614 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 3: I get arrested. 615 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 4: Get in the line. Totally forgetting that I have poop 616 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 4: on the side of my head. 617 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 3: So we get in the line. We walk up, we 618 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 3: meet him. I'm like, mister Matthews, it's such a pleasure. 619 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 3: And he's kind of looking at me and I can 620 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 3: tell now he smells me. 621 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 4: He's probably like this poor girl. It is like like 622 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 4: something's wrong with her. And he's like, stay strange, my friend, 623 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 4: and that's all he said. 624 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 3: And we take a picture and in the picture you 625 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 3: could see the outline of the bird poop. And I 626 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 3: don't even say a word to Tim Reynolds or Jane 627 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 3: goodall because I'm so starstruck. 628 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 4: I walk right past them. I go to the show. 629 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 3: I the best concert I've ever seen, and it was 630 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 3: I guess the saying bird pooping on you is good luck? 631 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 4: Was that was the thing that day. I'll never forget it. 632 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 3: See. 633 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 2: See that's such a da Matthew. 634 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 3: It's so Dave Matthews, strange, my friend. 635 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 2: And just probably like this monotone too. 636 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 4: Truly and like a weird voice. I was like, are 637 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 4: you high? Am I high? I don't know? I realized, 638 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 4: Am I hallucinating right now? Yeah? It was one of 639 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 4: the best days of my life. 640 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 2: Good for you. I'm glad it turned into a good story. 641 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:19,719 Speaker 2: At the end. 642 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,479 Speaker 3: I'll never forgive that bird, but it's fine, It's okol 643 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 3: he had it out for me. 644 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 2: Well, what else do you have in the works for 645 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 2: the rest of this year? You got a lot of 646 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 2: stuff going on music, I do. 647 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 3: I have a single coming out, so I'm really freaking excited. 648 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 3: I just signed with CIA on touring, so I am 649 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 3: that's like a dream for me that I have since 650 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 3: I was like twelve, I've been I love. 651 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 4: I'm just so excited. Potentially an album at the end 652 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 4: of the year. 653 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then a really cool little little feature coming 654 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 3: up that I can't say anything about, but I'm very 655 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 3: excited about it. 656 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 2: That's very exciting. Congratulations on all your success. I'm sure 657 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 2: you're only what a year and a half of this 658 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 2: in the nast. 659 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,239 Speaker 4: Not even a year already? I literally like, but what 660 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 4: if I don't hasn't even been a year? 661 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 1: Yeah? 662 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 2: See great song by the way, if you didn't hear 663 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 2: it early, got download. And now I want to finish 664 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 2: this off real quick and do some rapid fire questions 665 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 2: to get to know you a little bit and if 666 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 2: you don't mind, If you don't mind, my manager is 667 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 2: sitting in the corner looking. She's like, no, let's see. No, 668 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 2: they won't be too bad. 669 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 4: I'm ready. 670 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 2: It'll be just to get to know you a little better. 671 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 4: I'm ready. 672 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 2: Number one. We'll run through five of them. What's your 673 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 2: favorite hobby outside of music? 674 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 3: Oh gosh, I really love working out, big workout, fiend 675 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 3: working out and my dog. Anything to do with my 676 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 3: dog dog. Yeah, he's cocker spaniel poodle and docks. 677 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 2: And you show me the tattoo there. 678 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 4: I literally haven't dat it on my arm because I'm crazy. 679 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 2: Who is your favorite artist of all time. 680 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 4: Oh, you can't do this to me? 681 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 2: Three? 682 00:28:53,240 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 3: Oh God, Shanaia Twain, uh Adele and and Share. 683 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, okay, I feel like that wasn't fully. 684 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 2: It's okay, we're gonna we're gonna go with that. 685 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 4: Oh in Dave Matthews Scott, I feel like. 686 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,719 Speaker 2: He was honorable mention. We en't have talking. Yeah, okay. 687 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 2: If you had to watch one movie for the rest 688 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 2: of your life, Sex and the City. Is that a 689 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 2: movie too? 690 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Sex in the City the movie. 691 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the best. Oh really, it's the best. When 692 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 3: she poops her pants, it's my favorite part, favorite part, 693 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 3: let a boob boop. 694 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 2: If you weren't into music, what do you think you'd 695 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 2: be doing. 696 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 3: I'd say a veterinarian, but only the good parts of 697 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 3: the veterinarian, which is like really like just seeing the 698 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 3: animal Everson. Other than that, like I always was like 699 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be a veterinarian until I realized what all 700 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 3: came with. 701 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 2: That's almost like a volunteer, literally, just. 702 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 4: I'll be the front desk and check the animals in 703 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 4: make sure they're good. 704 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Okay, last one here, describe yourself in three sentences. 705 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 3: Very resilient, I love to entertain people, and I'm a 706 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 3: psychopath in the best way possible. 707 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 2: Well, there you go. You heard it here, Shalen. She's 708 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 2: a psychopath, but only in the best way possible. 709 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 4: At least I know it. 710 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 2: That's awesome, Shalan. Thank you so much. Where can they 711 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 2: find you? On social media? 712 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 3: You can find me all over Shalan official on Instagram, 713 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 3: Shalen Music on TikTok, Shalen on Twitter, and then Spotify 714 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 3: just Shalen, Apple Music, Shalin. 715 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 2: All right, Shalin s h A y l e N. 716 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 2: By the way, go search her, go streamer music, support her. Shalin, 717 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 2: thank you so much. It has been a lot of fun. 718 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 4: Thank you.