1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to Wired to Hunt's rut Fresh Radio, bringing you 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: the latest reports from the White Tail Woods, presented by 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: First Light, creating proven versatile hunting apparel for the stand, 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: saddle or blind. First Light Go farther, Stay Longer, and 5 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: now your hosts Casey Smith and Tyler Jones. 6 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 2: The late season is the grind season. It's all about 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 2: food and tempts. This is rut Fresh. Let's go. 8 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 3: I'm your host, Casey Smith. This has brought to you 9 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 3: by First Light. You're Tyler Jones is here as well. 10 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: We are fresh off of a difficult hunt, rut, fresh 11 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 2: off of it run, fresh off of a. 12 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 3: Difficult oh man. 13 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 2: So I appreciate the encouragement that we get from some 14 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 2: of these interviews from folks who actually are singing deer, 15 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 2: because I didn't see a lot of deer this week. 16 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 3: Saw a lot more crows, did you. Yeah, I saw 17 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 3: a few crows. Yeah. Uh. We've been a murder here 18 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 3: and there. 19 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 2: We've been hunting here in the South and uh we'll 20 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 2: give you a good old extra report here in a bit, 21 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 2: just to kind of sweeten the deal. But I can 22 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 2: tell you this, man, if you are still out hunting, 23 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 2: way to go because quite honestly, it gets real hard 24 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 2: to go. Like if I hunting season was five months long, 25 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: I probably would just kick over. 26 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 3: You know, it's a lot of output, man. 27 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think there's some fellers that are younger 28 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 4: than you still, dude, that wouldn't. 29 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 2: Just because you're the same age as me for one 30 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 2: month doesn't mean let's go. 31 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 3: No. 32 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 4: But I think that I was talking to a guy 33 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 4: in a Sporting Good story the other day who was younger, 34 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 4: and it would seem that he may not have a 35 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 4: wife and kids, which can really make a difference when 36 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 4: you talk about a how tired you are and b 37 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 4: how many days you can go hunt? May not even 38 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 4: can but like, are willing to go hunt? 39 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know for sure? 40 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: And I think that we can take a little bit 41 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: from that as a big ol matrure bucks ourselves. How 42 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 2: are we making the most of our outings right? And 43 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 2: how is a big buck making the most of his outings? 44 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 2: I mean he's in the post rut phase as you 45 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 2: and I are, and so we. 46 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 3: Are we. 47 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 4: I feel like I'm just now getting the rut. Are 48 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 4: you good for crape? 49 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 3: Last night? I got home. 50 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,239 Speaker 2: You you put on the food bag, you know, you 51 00:02:58,240 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 2: get fat and happy. 52 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 3: That's why. Yeah, I'll be after the rud I'll be skinny, 53 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 3: you think, Yeah. 54 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 2: I think I am too. I killed four here so 55 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 2: far this year, and if I kill one more, I 56 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 2: can go in carnivore for like six months. 57 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 3: See what we can do with that. Now, you needed 58 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 3: some ducks, Yeah that I got a federal ducks. Nown 59 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 3: some fish is what you need? That would be good? 60 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it would be tasty. So Tyler, let's 61 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 2: shift gears just a little bit here in the late season, 62 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 2: like we're in right now. There's lots of things to 63 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: deal with. I don't want to bring up a source 64 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 2: subject for you. 65 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. 66 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 2: You from time to time have target deer and then 67 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: those target deer disappear. 68 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 3: Uh, the ones in East Texas often, Dude, what happened? 69 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 3: What do you do? 70 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: Then? 71 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 3: What's what do you do? 72 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 5: Then? 73 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? 74 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 3: What do you do? 75 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 2: Whenever, like all of a sudden, the target disappears and 76 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 2: you don't know if you even have a deer to hunt. 77 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 4: Uh. 78 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 3: There's a couple of things you could do. One would 79 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 3: just be enjoy Christmas with your family, yeah. Uh. 80 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 4: The other might be to go set foot on some 81 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 4: public ground somewhere, or you could spend some time reaching 82 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 4: out and saying, hey, I was hoping to put some 83 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 4: more dear deer meat my freezer. Mister whoever land on 84 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 4: her you are, and I was going to see if 85 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 4: I can maybe hunt your property the last couple of 86 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 4: weeks of dear season. 87 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 2: It's interesting do you feel as if the the deer 88 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 2: meat thing is a good motivator for nine hunters? 89 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 4: I think it's just like a practical thing that you're 90 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 4: telling a guy, as opposed to I'm going to shoot 91 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 4: I want to go shoot a big buck. You know, 92 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 4: you tell the practical some of the practical of somebody 93 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 4: is not really a hunter, and maybe they're in the 94 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 4: Christmas spirit and they want to allow you to do that. 95 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 3: Maybe how hard should you push push? What that like? 96 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 2: If you if you if they're like, I don't know, 97 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: she just say okay, great day, you all right, have 98 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 2: a good day, Merry Christmas? Or should you should you 99 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 2: try a little harder? I think, I mean, I think 100 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 2: that you try to carry the conversation. I don't know 101 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 2: that you continue to ask, but you could you could say, 102 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 2: you know, okay, well if you ever you know, have 103 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 2: random people out there or whatever, just let me know. 104 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 2: I'll I can keep an eye on it or for 105 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: you, you know, if they're an absentee or something like that. 106 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 2: But I don't know, there's just other ways to kind 107 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: of probably I guess push as you're saying. But more 108 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 2: than anything, I think you just kind of I think 109 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 2: people like to grab their phone, look at TikTok and 110 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 2: get some immediate endorphins kicking. And I think that if 111 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 2: you play a long game of two to three years 112 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 2: on stuff like that, you actually keep up with people 113 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 2: and call them back every eight months, then I think 114 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 2: that it goes a long ways and things change over time. 115 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: You know, you get new administrations that have better economies 116 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 2: or worse economies or whatever, and it causes people to 117 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 2: sell or just be in a better financial position that 118 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 2: they don't really feel like, you know, they feel kinder 119 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 2: maybe whatever. 120 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 3: There's a million different things, you know. 121 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: So I've been playing the long game for about three 122 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 2: years now on a place in South Texas, have you, Yeah, 123 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 2: And it hasn't quite panned out yet, A long game 124 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 2: of asking permission. 125 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 3: Really, I'm not sure which one that is. I'm trying 126 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 3: to think about it. 127 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, you've heard we've had. I've been around for some 128 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 2: conversations with that guy quite a bit with you. Yeah, 129 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: but sometimes it doesn't always pay off. But you can 130 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 2: still just make friends. That's nice. I have a different 131 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 2: question for you. Okay, late season around the country except 132 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 2: for the South. The Deep South is having some ruts 133 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 2: right now. We're gonna hear from some guys here in 134 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 2: a bit who are experiencing those little nod depart McDonald 135 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: from last week, right and he killed a John? 136 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 4: Hey, how many people have been on ret fresh and 137 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 4: killed like the next day, Mike Consucker the week before, 138 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 4: Jered Larson, Jared Larson, I think Alex Compson, Jery Larson? 139 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 4: Is that like three times? Yeah, so it's a thing. 140 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 3: It is a thing. 141 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure these guys are getting some information from you. 142 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 4: I don't even mean to Okay, so my question is 143 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 4: just hype they're getting it is, dude, we're like just 144 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 4: bringing the party up in here. 145 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 2: If you don't have late season food, what. 146 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 3: Do you do? Man, that's a tough question. 147 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: It's a hard thing to but I think a lot 148 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 2: of people end up with especially if you're public. 149 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 3: I don't know. I think you go celebrate Christmas. 150 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I don't know how you'd hunt them 151 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 4: late season without some sort of food. I feel like 152 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 4: everything is going to gravitate the food late season unless 153 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:38,119 Speaker 4: you're in the South. 154 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 155 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 4: I mean even here where a rut is in November, 156 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 4: it's south enough that what's the tempt today seventy five? 157 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 4: I mean we're looking at the deer. Don't need to 158 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 4: eat that bad when it's seventy five and there are 159 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 4: six month old does running around that you know, smell 160 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 4: like all the dos smelled like a month ago. So 161 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 4: you know, I think like if it was me hunting 162 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 4: here right here, I'd probably be hunting like it was 163 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 4: the rut. If it was me hunting you know, Minnesota 164 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 4: or you know, Wisconsin or whatever like that. I don't 165 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 4: know that i'd hunt if I didn't have food right now. Yeah, 166 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 4: I think that's a good point. The only thing I 167 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 4: could think that you could do. 168 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 2: And we're gonna talk to some pretty interesting guests today 169 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 2: that I'll have some thoughts about this. But I've seen 170 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 2: Bill Wink in the past like camp out for a deer, 171 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 2: as weird as that sounds, like in the woods where 172 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 2: he's gonna hunt. I remember him doing that. He killed 173 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 2: it deer doing that, and I think that was kind 174 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 2: of a late rut deer. But you could like get 175 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 2: into a morning hunt kind of place or even camp 176 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 2: out and get in really really really early, and maybe 177 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 2: there's a chance that you can kill it here in 178 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 2: a morning, if you can get some bedding established. But 179 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 2: I'm not saying I want to do that. I just 180 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 2: think if you were like needing to kill a deer, 181 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 2: it's a way to do it. And here's another thing, 182 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 2: lower your standards. You know, you have to decide what 183 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 2: you're trying to do. You're trying to kill a big, 184 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 2: giant buck. I mean, god, you guys, it's this it's 185 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: the last half of December. You know, Yeah, it's okay 186 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 2: to shoot a smaller deer or a dough if you 187 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 2: if you want to eat dear meat, you know, like 188 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 2: that's that's gonna put that on the table. So it's 189 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 2: another thing to think about. There's a lot of does 190 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 2: out there in this world, and uh yeah, they taste 191 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 2: pretty good. So you might eve could walk around shoot 192 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 2: one of those if you wanted to. 193 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 3: You might. 194 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 2: I could definitely shoot one back here, all right. So 195 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: speaking of guests, this week, who might have some like 196 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 2: season tactics and success. Who were going to talk to 197 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 2: you this? 198 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 4: Well, well, if you're trying to shoot a dud, you 199 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 4: should a stud. You should talk to duds. 200 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 3: I'll mess that up. 201 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 4: But Dudley Phelps from Mississippi, UH is going to be 202 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 4: talking with us from Mossy Oak and UH. He's always 203 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 4: an interesting character to give us a look into some 204 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 4: of that southern stuff. Alex Comstock a guy who's on 205 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 4: here quite a bit. Just a good friend of ours. 206 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 4: I've known him for years and years and years, and 207 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 4: he's a reliable source of information. You can bet that 208 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 4: if there's something, if he spent time in the woods, 209 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 4: he has a good thought about what's going on. He's 210 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 4: been up in Minnesota just sweating it out up there. 211 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 4: Jake Hofer a good friend with a good smile, and 212 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 4: he's in Illinois, which is where he lives. It's the 213 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 4: home state, and he's he's got a pretty crazy story 214 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 4: about some success he's had recently. And then our man 215 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 4: Christian Babcock, he's been out in the Oklahoma area doing 216 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 4: the thing. And they pretty much I think they owned 217 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 4: that state, actually they owned everything. They're part of Indian 218 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 4: You know, so. 219 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 3: Awesome, man, Let's get him on the phone. 220 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 2: I have got Mississippi's coolest cat, Dudley Philps with Massioak 221 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 2: Native nurseries. He's been Actually he just got down out 222 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: of the stand to talk to us guys, which is wild. 223 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 3: Dudley. 224 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 2: First off, I can't hardly believe that you hunted ten 225 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 2: to two today and that was your your plan. What's 226 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 2: the grand scheme of the idea of being in the 227 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 2: stand from ten to two. 228 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 6: I don't know if that's a Mississippi or Southeast thing, 229 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 6: but me and my buddies have always just we'll go 230 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 6: do a ten to two, especially during the rut when 231 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 6: the moon is bright at night. It seems like, I 232 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 6: don't know, I get a lot of pictures on scrapes 233 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 6: and things from from ten to two when the moon is. 234 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 3: Really bright and so interesting. 235 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 6: That's just what I decided to do. You know, that 236 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 6: was that was the window I had to hunt. 237 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 3: You put my weight into the moon besides the brightness. 238 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 2: Or do you do you think like you know, as 239 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 2: far as like moon phases are different. Are you just 240 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 2: thinking that there's a good light all night? So there's 241 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 2: a lot of movement. 242 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 6: You know, I'm kind of mixed because there's some new 243 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 6: data that kind of downplays how much you know, the 244 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 6: full moon impacts deer. But just I've been doing it 245 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 6: my whole life. Everybody I know has been focusing on 246 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 6: the full moon. I've had some great luck with mature 247 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 6: deer in the middle of the day hunting the full moon. 248 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 6: So you know, it makes me confident, and when I'm confident, 249 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 6: I seem to be luckier. 250 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you tell me this. You were talking about 251 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 2: scrapes earlier. Are we still in a stage in Mississippi 252 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 2: where scrapes are a good thing to hunt over? 253 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 5: Yes? 254 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 6: And you know, Mississippi has really weird rut dates. So 255 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 6: in the in the northeast corner, I would say peak 256 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 6: of Estris is probably around the tenth to fifteenth of December, 257 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 6: So I mean they're like lockdown right now, and you 258 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 6: go down to the southern portion of the state and 259 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 6: it's not until you know, mid to late January. So 260 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 6: the Missisispi Department of Wildlife, Fisheries and Parks put out 261 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 6: a map several years ago. It's like a rut date map, 262 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 6: and it's pretty consistent. And I like to go by 263 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 6: that if I'm going to be moving around, you know, 264 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 6: the different areas to hunt. 265 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 4: So with scrapes being something that you think is effective, 266 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 4: does that mean you're in the heart of the rud 267 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 4: or you're on the front edge of the rud. 268 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 3: Or where are you atl? 269 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 6: Where I am? Where? You know, we're probably two weeks 270 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 6: from the peak, and so in my mind this is 271 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 6: like the peak of checking scrapes, and I've always had 272 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 6: good luck about two weeks before that peak date hunting scrapes. 273 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 3: What's the mass crop like there in Mississippi right now? 274 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 6: So I would say we had a no go across 275 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 6: the board. Wow, white oaks a little, you know, they 276 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 6: were early this year we had a few we had 277 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 6: a few things dropping and it was mainly the earlier 278 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,680 Speaker 6: producers that we had an insane draft. And then a 279 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 6: couple of years ago we had a crazy polar blast 280 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 6: that came through in December. And then we've had late 281 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 6: frosts the last two years. So you most likely won't 282 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 6: find acrens. It's uh in Mississippi. So we're we're hunting 283 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 6: a lot of food plots and feeders and things like that. 284 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, is there any other wild vegetation out there that 285 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 4: you could spend time on if say you were on 286 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 4: public or something like that. 287 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 6: Honeysuckle and greenbrier looked pretty good this year. In fact, 288 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 6: I just saw a bunch of honeysuckles earlier today. We've 289 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 6: had a couple of cold fronts, but it's been relatively warm, 290 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 6: so a lot of that native brows is still kicking. 291 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 6: The stuff that can handle a couple of frost is 292 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 6: still going. 293 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 2: Does deer eat the Japanese honeysuckle as well as to 294 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 2: do the coral honeysuckle. 295 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 6: Much more so? 296 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 3: Really? 297 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 6: You know, it's a non native, and we like to 298 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 6: talk about how we don't like non natives, but deer 299 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 6: absolutely love Japanese honey. 300 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 3: So we've seen the same around here for sure. 301 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 6: So it's it's kind of already too far gone. You know, 302 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 6: we burned a lot to set it back. But uh, 303 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 6: if it's there, that's where the deer is gonna be eating. 304 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 6: There's not much food. 305 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 3: Around, okay. 306 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 2: So if we have still kind of some warmer temps 307 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 2: ahead and you're looking at you know, maybe still being 308 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 2: a little bit off the rud, are you gonna still 309 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 2: trying to be trying to do your best to get 310 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 2: out there because it's the South and it just is warm, 311 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 2: or you gonna kind of buite your time and. 312 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 3: Wait on a good front. 313 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know, as a matter of fact, I 314 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 6: think it's you know, when things start warming up after 315 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 6: a cold front, you know, deer down here get cold. Yeah, 316 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 6: freezing cold. They're not boothing, you know. So yeah, they're 317 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 6: they're kind of like us in the South. They just 318 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 6: don't They don't like to be cold either, I. 319 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 3: Guarantee you so. 320 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 4: On a scale of one to ten, and the next week, 321 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 4: what do you think buck movement is going to be like? 322 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 6: But it's gonna be it's gonna be a perfect ten. 323 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 6: It's that time, all right. 324 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 3: I like it, dude. 325 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 6: I mean it's prime time, you know, right before the 326 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 6: peak of rut, when bucks are running around looking. That's 327 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 6: the most fun time to be out there. In my opinion, 328 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 6: It's been a bit of a slow start just talking 329 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 6: to people. We've had a lot of rain on the 330 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 6: weekends when everybody's hunting things like that. I hadn't seen, 331 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 6: you know, cruising social media, I hadn't seen a whole 332 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 6: bunch of them dead buck picks, and not many around 333 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 6: my friend groups, so hopefully things will pick up. 334 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 3: A little bit, hopefully. 335 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 2: So dude, thanks for the uh the hype there with 336 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 2: the ten dude, and I hope that comes to fruition 337 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 2: for you and you get a big old buck here 338 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 2: pretty soon. 339 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 6: Well, thank you. Yeah, next week should be golden where 340 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 6: I'm hunting. 341 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 3: Oh, let's go. 342 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 4: This is one of my good friends, Alex Comstock from 343 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 4: white Tail DNA. Alex is a hunting full and been 344 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 4: doing it all year long, to the point of causing 345 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 4: himself to be sick. 346 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 3: Other than that, how are you, Alex? 347 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 7: Other than that, I'm doing pretty good. 348 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 3: How are you guys? Oh? Good? 349 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 4: You know, busy and like like it always is for 350 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 4: everybody this time of year with Christmas coming up and 351 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 4: everything else. But you've been in Minnesota and just it's 352 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 4: the exact opposite of what it is here, and we 353 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 4: you probably this is like broken record, right every time 354 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 4: we talk to you. 355 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 3: But it is. 356 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 4: It is warm outside today, and I've seen on your 357 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:24,479 Speaker 4: story some snow. 358 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 8: It looks like, yeah, we've had some some up and 359 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 8: down cold. Actually though today it's pretty warm here. It's 360 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 8: like dang near forty degrees. 361 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 3: So well, man, sloshy. 362 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, very sloshy out there today. 363 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 3: What is what does that warmth to do for you? 364 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 3: Is it? 365 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 4: Is it a good thing when it's been cold for 366 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 4: a little while or what does that look like? 367 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 8: You know, I like a little bit of a warm 368 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,959 Speaker 8: up when it's super cold, but not to like this degree, 369 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 8: you know, like I like it when it jumps up 370 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 8: to that, you know, like single like just nice single digit. 371 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 9: That to me is like it's a sweet spot. But 372 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 9: when it jumps way up. 373 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 8: I mean I didn't hunt yesterday for the first time 374 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 8: and probably a week, and cams were dead everywhere and 375 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 8: real same thing today. 376 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 4: So yeah, so the cams, the camp, so the movement 377 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 4: was not happening as it warmed up in your opinion, 378 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 4: compared to what it had been. 379 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 9: Yeah, I would say that's correct. 380 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 3: It's in the late season. 381 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 2: I'm guessing it's kind of just a cast in nit 382 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 2: with the trail cameras and show I find a pattern 383 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 2: on a big buck. 384 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 3: Is that kind of the tactic right now? 385 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 9: Pretty? Yeah? Exactly for me. You know, with my season, 386 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 9: I've had a tough year. 387 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 8: A lot of the bucks I've been after all year 388 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 8: either got killed or by hunters or cars or whatever. 389 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 8: And so as we got into December, I did exactly that. 390 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 8: I just spread sell cams everywhere, found ub up to 391 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 8: go after. And now I've just been pretty much hunting 392 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 8: that deer over and over and over. 393 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 7: Given then I've got like twelve days left of my season. 394 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 2: So man, yeah, that's uh, that's the grind. As they say, right, 395 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 2: what's getting that deer on his feet? 396 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 8: You know, I'm just I think what he's doing is, 397 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 8: you know, I'm doing a lot of suburban hunting, and 398 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 8: he's going to you know, neighborhoods to feed. 399 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 9: And you know, if I got on this. 400 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 8: Particular deer, I've got permission on one little five acre chunk, 401 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 8: so I'm pretty limited where I can hunt him. 402 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 3: You know. 403 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 8: Honestly, if there was more time, I'd probably try to 404 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 8: like door knock a ton and get cameras up in 405 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 8: other areas. 406 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 9: But I know he's coming through here. 407 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 8: I mean I had an encounter with him a few 408 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 8: days ago and wasn't able to make it happen. So 409 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 8: I just when the wind's right, which I only really 410 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 8: there's only one wind direction, I can't hunt it. I'm 411 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 8: just pounding away at the same tree, just waiting for 412 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 8: him to come through again in daylight. 413 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 3: Gotcha cool? 414 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 2: So this week that we have coming up here envelops 415 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 2: the shortest day of the year on the calendar year 416 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 2: as far as daylight period. How do you how do 417 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 2: you hunt deer when there's only just you know, your 418 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 2: way up north up there, right? I mean, I don't 419 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 2: know for sure, but you have like probably less than 420 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 2: eight hours of good hunting lot, I think right or 421 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 2: somewhere like that. 422 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 3: Are you standing in there all day or are. 423 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 2: You you know, kind of going in like high noon 424 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 2: or what's that look like? 425 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 8: I've just been going in for the last couple hours 426 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 8: of the afternoon. So I mean here right now, sunset 427 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 8: is like four twenty, and it's been pretty consistent where 428 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 8: I've been hunting. There's a big group of does, and 429 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 8: the does typically are coming through between three thirty and 430 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 8: three forty five, so I'm just trying to make sure 431 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 8: I'm set up usually by like two thirty. And I 432 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 8: mean when I almost shot him the other night, he 433 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 8: came through that day with two minutes of legal light left, 434 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 8: So I mean it's like right at the end. 435 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 4: So well, will a cold front affect that in other words, 436 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 4: will will it get on his feet just a little 437 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 4: bit earlier if you get a cold front. 438 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 8: Yeah, So he had hit cam a few days in 439 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 8: a row within well, the first time I hit cam 440 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 8: it was like nine o'clock at night. The next time 441 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 8: it was like five thirty, and then when I saw 442 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 8: him would have been this past Thursday, and it was 443 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 8: I want to stay at the windshiels like negative thirty two. 444 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 8: So I mean like that cold front got him up early. 445 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 8: So that's my where I'm at as my one concern 446 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 8: is if we don't have like some deep cold tempts, 447 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 8: if he's. 448 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 7: Going to be coming by me in daylight at all. 449 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 8: But we do have some forecasted cold temperatures coming up, 450 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 8: which got me hopeful. 451 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 3: There you go, man. 452 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 4: So with that hope, what what would you rank buck 453 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,479 Speaker 4: movement in the next week on a scale of one 454 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 4: to ten. If you're looking at the weather thinking this 455 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 4: may help you out. 456 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 9: I'm gonna give it. 457 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 8: I'm gonna go with the six just because we're gonna 458 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 8: have some temperatures. 459 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 9: That I really like. 460 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 8: You know, we've got highs in the you know, pretty 461 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 8: much around the eight nine ten, with lows the coldest 462 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 8: low is negative five on Friday, and so I like 463 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 8: it when it's when you've got that little bit getting 464 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 8: up there on ten degrees as a high and the 465 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 8: low in the negatives. You know, it's not like going 466 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 8: to be crazy where it was because sometimes those deep 467 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 8: deep negatives, I think after if you get like a 468 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,719 Speaker 8: long stint of that will kind of curtail deer movement. 469 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 9: So I like it to be right. If it's right 470 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 9: around zero, I'm liking that. So I'm gonna go ahead 471 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 9: and give it a six. 472 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 4: All right, man, Well that gives us promise going into 473 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 4: the last few weeks of deer season here. For a 474 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 4: lot of people I know down in the South either 475 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,199 Speaker 4: just getting started. But for you guys, you know, you 476 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 4: start out and early and you get closed up when 477 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 4: it starts getting into those temperatures. I can promise you 478 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 4: I would struggle once it got to those temperatures. But 479 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 4: you guys are built for it. And I'm glad to 480 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 4: watch from afar through your story and your Instagram there, 481 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 4: why I tell DNA. So thanks for everything you've been 482 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 4: putting out man, and for the report there in Minnesota 483 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 4: this week. 484 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 8: Yeah, I appreciate that, and good luck to you guys too. 485 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 5: H m. 486 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 3: M m m m m m m m m. 487 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 5: M m m hm. 488 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 3: This is my friend Jake Hoefer of wat tail Master Academy. 489 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 2: He's been doing some hunting in Illinois and actually successful 490 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 2: hunting Illinois. 491 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 3: If you know Jake, you know that this guy. 492 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 2: Is the most unassuming, unassuming killer in the world, probably 493 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 2: when it comes to whitetail, right, just mister smiles and 494 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:47,959 Speaker 2: last but kills them all. 495 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 3: If smiles could kill. 496 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,239 Speaker 10: What's up, bro, Hey, not too much. It's a it's 497 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 10: a pleasure to chat again here. It's it's always a 498 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 10: good time to share what I'm seeing and to in 499 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 10: to hear what. 500 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 9: Everyone else is. 501 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 7: It's right across the country. 502 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 2: And I probably shouldn't say unassuming because you definitely know 503 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 2: what you're talking about. It's just you're so nice, you know, 504 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 2: but and you're not sough to share that information with us. 505 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 9: I know. 506 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 3: Illinois is like what you would call kind. 507 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 2: Of the heart of the Midwest and so very far 508 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 2: from like actual rut dates. And you killed a really 509 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 2: big buck. Was he doing anything ruddy at all? 510 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 4: No? 511 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 9: He was not. Nope, So how what was he doing? Yeah? 512 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,120 Speaker 9: So I would say there's even last week. 513 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 10: Early last week, based off of some cameras, I would 514 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 10: say there was some rutting activity still going on a 515 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 10: couple of different farms. I would say this year specifically 516 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 10: this year had been hanging out on a specific range 517 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 10: of the farm, and ironically I didn't have any cell 518 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 10: cameras that were setting me pictures, so I was just 519 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 10: kind of going on a whim. And the fact that 520 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 10: we had a really good cold front roll in Thursday, 521 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 10: really cold, and I was pretty hopeful for Friday just 522 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 10: because it was still cold, but not the nasty, nasty 523 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 10: middle of. 524 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 9: The front weather. 525 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 10: And so I actually bundled up hunted Friday morning and 526 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,959 Speaker 10: saw quite a bit of deer, not the deer I 527 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 10: was after, And then I still got to work to 528 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 10: make a living that day, you know, like three o'clock, 529 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 10: and I said, okay, where can I go and slip 530 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 10: in really fast where I have an opportunity to kill 531 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 10: buck that I would like to shoot. And so we 532 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 10: had some standing beans and in an area where this 533 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 10: deer had been hanging out based off of historical data 534 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 10: and also just kind of a whim, and he just 535 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 10: came barreling off the hill and hungry, for some soy. 536 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 3: Beans that's sick. 537 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 2: So are you targeting standing crops then for that kind 538 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 2: of stuff or is that a cut field. 539 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 10: That this is standing crops. Actually planted two acres of 540 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 10: beans here. And what is also interesting, we had an 541 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 10: east wind on Friday. I killed my buck earlier this 542 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 10: year on an east wind. I think I like east winds, 543 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 10: and I think part of the reason is just because 544 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 10: half the farms I hunt. 545 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 9: Can not really well on an east wind. And that's 546 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 9: the root of it. 547 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 10: And so this particular plot, think a lot of people 548 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 10: make a mistake of overhunting it, and it's the shiny 549 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 10: new toy they always want to go play with. And 550 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 10: this would have been the second true sit over this 551 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 10: food plot. And we had an east wind where I 552 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 10: could hunt it and was sitting on the ground, and 553 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 10: I mean it's ultimately worked out. 554 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 2: So how does the mature buck like that approach a 555 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 2: good food source on a wind direction? Do they have 556 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 2: the wind in their face on their tail at a 557 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 2: ninety what did he do? 558 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 10: This was more of a crosswind, and so this is 559 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 10: more of a cross wind. And I think every plot 560 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 10: probably makes a little bit of a difference. There would 561 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 10: have been a zero percent chance he would be vetted 562 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 10: to the west in this particular spot, and so this 563 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 10: field is kind of in a bottom and half stadium 564 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 10: seating around it, and so meeting he's going to be 565 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 10: vetted up on that back now. 566 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 9: More than likely truly on an east wind. I don't 567 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 9: know exactly where he was vetted or. 568 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 10: What ridge he may have been vetted on. I could 569 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 10: pick a couple guesses, but I don't know that for fact. 570 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 10: And it was the classic late season big buck hunt, right, 571 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 10: A dough family group come off the hill, and then 572 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 10: I had another buck that was really busted up. 573 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 9: I'm not sure which one it was. 574 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 10: And he was a half rack, and and even the 575 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 10: half rack that he did have, that one was all 576 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 10: busted up too. So he came into the plot pretty 577 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 10: slow after the dose already went in there, and I 578 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 10: was just sitting back and waiting, like, Okay, when's the. 579 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 9: Buck I'm after going to come coming down the hill? 580 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 10: And sure enough he did, and he got into the 581 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 10: He came down the hill pretty quickly, and then he 582 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 10: would not enter the plot for quite some time. And 583 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 10: late season hunting is really fun and it's also really 584 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 10: hard in the sense of during the run. 585 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 9: A lot of times it's you and the buck here after, right, 586 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 9: or maybe you and the buck and a dough. 587 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 10: It's not eight eyeballs or twenty four eyeballs or you know, 588 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 10: whatever it is. And so those doughs were already in 589 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 10: the plot, and I felt like they had seen my 590 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 10: silhouette as I was sitting on the ground, and they 591 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 10: were getting pretty pretty curious and walking towards me. 592 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 9: And this plot was about one hundred and. 593 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 10: Fifty yards long, and they got to seventy yards eighty 594 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 10: yards and doing the head snap looking around at me, 595 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 10: and I'm like, oh, oh boy, I really need him 596 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 10: to get him this plot before I get busted, because 597 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 10: I was about to get busted, and ultimately he did. 598 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,959 Speaker 10: And what's most interesting too, and this is probably interesting 599 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 10: for a lot of people as they're hunting late season. 600 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 10: This is I'm guessing he's over five years old. I've 601 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,959 Speaker 10: known him for two years and in October Man his 602 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 10: body was big. He was the epitome of a mature 603 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 10: Midwestern buck, really fat. And when he walked into that 604 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 10: food plot, the body comparison of the broken up buck 605 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 10: and the deer I shot, he looked like a two 606 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 10: year old. 607 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 9: I mean, he just loo emaciated. 608 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 10: And I was really questioning if it was the right 609 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 10: deer or not because he did not look like he 610 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 10: when I last saw him right, And I think that's 611 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 10: something to really consider. Late season is number one this 612 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 10: year had a bunch of different injuries full of infection. 613 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 9: My guess is he was fighting a pretty nasty. 614 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 10: Fever and was not healthy, and after I shot him, 615 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 10: one of his antlers popped off. So you know, this 616 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 10: is one of those deals where late season, I feel 617 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 10: it can be really really hard to edge a buck 618 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 10: on the fly just because of how much body weight 619 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 10: they lose from the rut and also a potential injury. 620 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 4: Do you expect that, uh, in the next week that 621 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 4: you could find the similar situation in Illinois happening where 622 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 4: uh maybe maybe and actually it's still a healthy buck, 623 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 4: but a hungry buck ride that's been through the rut 624 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 4: uh and is and is run down a little bit 625 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 4: from from calorie output. Do you expect that you could 626 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 4: find a deer using a similar situation with some beans 627 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 4: that are standing or something like that coming in before dark? 628 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 9: Yeah, I think it's very possible. 629 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 10: I think the proximity of the betting next to the 630 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 10: main food source is going to be the biggest factor 631 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,719 Speaker 10: if you're going to be successful or not. And that 632 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 10: would be so if I'm wondering, Okay, how am I 633 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 10: going to PLU? I have a couple days off, I 634 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 10: want to go hunt, I'm probably gonna think of the 635 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 10: best food source closest to a primary betting area, or 636 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 10: I suspect a buck that I want to shoot hanging out, Yeah, 637 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 10: and not not all that doesn't always pan out, but 638 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 10: I think it's very possible. 639 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 9: I think the odds are pretty low. Looking at the 640 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,719 Speaker 9: extended forecast here and there's it's pretty stagnan. 641 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 10: I mean, it was really really cold on Friday morning, 642 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 10: and I think it was like nine degrees when I 643 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 10: got out of my truck in the morning, and then 644 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 10: when I shot my buck, it was about twenty eight 645 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 10: twenty nine degrees, So it warmed up quite a bit 646 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 10: even throughout the day. Sure, and so we don't have 647 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 10: those kinds of tempts in the extended forecast, but I 648 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 10: think that if we, I mean, it's the. 649 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 9: Game of the game of weather and waiting at the year. 650 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 10: And I think the other thing to really consider if 651 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 10: you're planning to go with. It's on a lot of 652 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 10: these lazy lacies and food sources that feels like you 653 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 10: maybe get two or three chances unless your access is bulletproof, 654 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 10: and more times than not, it's it's often not that 655 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 10: you're hunting a permission farm or something that's not set 656 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 10: up perfectly, and so you really want to be pretty 657 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 10: cautious of going in and educating the deer because more 658 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 10: likely you're going to get busted when you leave, or 659 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 10: you're going to get the wind's going to shift, or 660 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 10: one of the dose matriarch doos are going to see you. 661 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 9: And so it's kind of late. 662 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 10: Season's fun because their core short quick hunts, but they're 663 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 10: pretty pressuring because you have a high house to getting busted. 664 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Hey. 665 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 4: On a scale of one to ten, what do you 666 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 4: think that buck movement is going to be like in 667 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 4: the next week, considering those tempts are not quite what 668 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 4: you want them to be? 669 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 10: I am pretty bearish. I'm gonna say the three and 670 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 10: a half or four, and probably more towards the three 671 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 10: and a half. 672 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 9: I like it. 673 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 3: We'll call it a three point seventy five. I like it. 674 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 4: Hey, Jake, Thanks for doing this, man, and I hope 675 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 4: that you are able to find one more deer to kill. 676 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 4: I think it may have to be in another state, 677 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 4: but I hope you find another deer. 678 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 3: Man. 679 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 9: I appreciate it. Thank you, guys. 680 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 2: All right on the phone, I've got Christian Babcock with 681 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 2: Hunter's Advantage. He's been doing some hunting all over the country, 682 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 2: but in particular Oklahoma. He's founding some success there. What's happening, brother, 683 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 2: Oh not a lot, guys. 684 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 9: How are you? 685 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 3: Guys all? We're doing good. 686 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 2: Kind of sweating it up here in Texas. You know, 687 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 2: it's late season, but it's hot, which is kind of 688 00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 2: how it goes. How do you first of all, First off, 689 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 2: congrats on the big buck. How do you deal with 690 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 2: these warmer temperatures when you're doing some late season hunting 691 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,479 Speaker 2: in the state that's kind of maybe used to being cooler? 692 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 5: Oh man, it stinks. You Just sweat a lot and 693 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 5: try not to curse under your breath. That's my main tactic. 694 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 5: But no, I know, I know a lot of people 695 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 5: are not hunting mornings this time of the year, but 696 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 5: I still am still the coldest part of the day. 697 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 5: I'm getting right in the middle of some betting areas 698 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 5: and really risking it at this time of the year. 699 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 7: I don't I'm like most people. 700 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 5: You don't got a whole lot of hunts left, so 701 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 5: I don't mind messing some stuff up to get success 702 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 5: this time of the year. 703 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 3: No, that's a great point, man. 704 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 2: So how are you establishing what actually is a risky 705 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 2: but worth worthy thing to do. 706 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm getting super tight to some areas. I know 707 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 5: some bucks are in. Like I slipped in a bedding 708 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 5: area the other day when I shut that buck and 709 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 5: I bust four year out of this betting area before 710 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 5: I even got in the tree and ended up seeing 711 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 5: seven bucks that hunted and shoot it. Didn't see a 712 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 5: dough which I wanted to shoot one of those too. 713 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,719 Speaker 5: But I'm I think a lot of things are risky 714 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 5: right now, you know, just getting back in cover. But 715 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 5: like I said earlier, I'm not afraid to do it 716 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 5: this time of the year, and I'm not afraid to 717 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 5: hunt morning. 718 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 7: So that's kind of what I do. 719 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 3: Got you. 720 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 2: So, in Oklahoma, are you focusing on crops as food 721 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 2: sources and what would that be or what does the 722 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 2: food look like right now? 723 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 7: Yeah? 724 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 5: The place that I hunt in southwestern Oklahoma this time 725 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 5: of the year is really good on winter wheat. So 726 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 5: you see you'll see a lot of your deer piled 727 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 5: up and stuff like that. Obviously, you know anybody that's 728 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,959 Speaker 5: throwing on a corn pile, that's another good option if 729 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 5: you're a southern hunter. But yeah, we hunt a lot 730 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 5: of places next to wheat, and so that's why we 731 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 5: can hunt a lot of those mornings. We're catching a 732 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 5: lot of deer coming back to bed. But winter wee 733 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 5: it's a pretty good food source over in the eastern 734 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 5: part of the state. It be it'd be red oaks 735 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 5: if I was still hunting the mountains right now, but 736 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 5: mostly wheat. 737 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 4: So the the betting that you're squeezing in on, is 738 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 4: it dough betting, buck betting? Do you have any sort 739 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 4: of differentiation there now? 740 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 5: I just I'm just calling it betting at this point 741 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 5: of the year. You know, what used to be betting 742 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 5: in October was so thick and luscious looks less and 743 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 5: less like betting in December. 744 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 7: You know, it starts to get more sparse. 745 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 5: But I'm hunting around river bottoms, just around around the river, 746 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 5: so there's a lot of marshy nasty type of stuff, 747 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,800 Speaker 5: and it's holding a lot of deer right now because 748 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 5: a lot of that other cover's gone, so they'll use 749 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 5: that as they head out to the other more sustainable 750 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,600 Speaker 5: food sources in the evenings. That's kind of looking. 751 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 3: Out, gotcha. Gotcha. 752 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,879 Speaker 4: So when you crash in there and you spook deer, 753 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,800 Speaker 4: you're just hoping that it's not like a big buck 754 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 4: or are there are lots of big bucks around, and 755 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,879 Speaker 4: you're like, we're good. I mean, I guess what I'm 756 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 4: saying is like if you were going in there and 757 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 4: you knew it was dough betting, but you bust something out. 758 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 3: To me, it's like, no big deal. 759 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 4: But if if I saw a big buck leave, I 760 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,800 Speaker 4: might just go face down in the leaves, you know what. 761 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 3: I just cry. 762 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 7: Yeah, Yeah. 763 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,399 Speaker 5: If I only had one decent buck, maybe maybe it'd 764 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 5: be more of a consideration. But in this particular spot 765 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 5: is a least that I'm losing at the end of 766 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 5: the year. And there was two or three good eight 767 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 5: points in there, and I say, any of these will do, 768 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 5: and I'm probably gonna have to sacrifice one to hunt too. 769 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 7: And I was completely okay with that. 770 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 5: And one of the good ones that I was hunting 771 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 5: did run off on my a en but shot as buddy, 772 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 5: so I'll call that a win. 773 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, that's cool. 774 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 2: So Ben, that area where you have pretty decent deer 775 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 2: dnasty like that, is calling still working this late in 776 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 2: the year or are you just trying to ambush? 777 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 5: I'm I'm mainly trying to ambush. I did here a 778 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 5: little bit of grunting, and I watched a probably a 779 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 5: two year old hit a scrape the other day, which 780 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 5: was pretty cool, but Calin is not. I'm sure it 781 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,919 Speaker 5: could work, but it's not a tactic that I use 782 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 5: this time of the year, not very much at all. 783 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, yeah, I gotcha. Cool. 784 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 2: So are you using cameras much right now to kind 785 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 2: of collec data on these deer? 786 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 3: I am. 787 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 9: Yeah. 788 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 5: We've had a lot of a lot of bucks in 789 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 5: the last two weeks that we hadn't seen for a 790 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 5: month that we're seeing back on camera, which is encouraging. 791 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 5: Some of those bucks made it past that rifle season 792 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 5: in Oklahoma has and but yeah, I'm watching the cameras 793 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 5: pretty heavy right now. It's not something that I'm not 794 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 5: over hunting places because you know, as good as much 795 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 5: as I do. Those December deer can be really, really spooky, 796 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 5: so I'm only going in when I got something worth hunting. 797 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, gotcha, cool man. 798 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,240 Speaker 2: All right, So, if you're looking at the next week 799 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 2: in Oklahoma, if you could give me a rating on 800 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 2: buck movement on a scale of one to ten, what 801 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 2: would it be. 802 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 7: I'd probably put it at a four. 803 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 5: You still got some of those cooler temperatures, but you're 804 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 5: heating up in the mid part of the day, you know, 805 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 5: going from thirties in the morning to mid sixties and 806 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 5: maybe nigh fifties in a lot of places. So I 807 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 5: think you're going to see a good amount of movement 808 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 5: in the evenings or in the mornings and then the 809 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,959 Speaker 5: evenings right before dark. But it's still late season deer. 810 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 5: A lot of those deer have been shot up and 811 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,839 Speaker 5: pushing around, So I'd give it a four. 812 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 7: It's not impossible. 813 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 5: It can still happen, but it's not a not something 814 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 5: I'd be too eager to hunt this week. 815 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 3: Cool all right, man. Appreciate all the great information. 816 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 7: Christian, Yeah, man, take it easy. 817 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 2: Lots of good reports around the country. There's still deer 818 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 2: to be killed. It makes me excited to maybe get 819 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 2: out in the woods at some. 820 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 3: Point in time. I don't know, guys, I got to 821 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 3: re listen to make sure. 822 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,360 Speaker 2: But anyways, if you do need to have a little inspiration, 823 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 2: Adam Moore over on the Wire to Hunt feed has 824 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 2: a article for three reasons to hunt the late season, 825 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 2: and he gives some pretty compelling arguments of why you 826 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 2: still need to be in the woods. 827 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 4: I have an argument where you should still be in 828 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 4: the woods. That's because you have plenty of time to 829 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 4: get on your social media on your phone un somewhere 830 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 4: there's a reception, right, and you can look at the 831 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,600 Speaker 4: element social media Instagram, TikTok because Casey be putting stuff 832 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 4: over there, controversial broadhead content over there, that's right, but 833 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 4: no animals will be harmed on TikTok. So if you 834 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 4: want to see harmage being done, you need to go 835 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,240 Speaker 4: to some Instagram or Facebook for the element. 836 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 3: But yeah, I go check those out. Awesome, guys, this 837 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:29,320 Speaker 3: has been rough. Fresh, Keep it fresh.