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Speaker 2: But that is absolutely a great point. Dodgers are one

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Speaker 1: I've never heard anything like that from Kyle Tucker. I

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Speaker 2: So that closes the book on that he's not a

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Speaker 2: We're talking a whole bunch about Bregman and not the Dodgers.

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Speaker 2: But there were actual Dodgers player signings, or at least

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Speaker 2: But Katie, what is the plan with these dudes? Why

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Speaker 1: All right, all this is it's just insurance moves and

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Speaker 1: claim of Michael Sianni just because he's covered him in

431
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Speaker 1: Saint Louis for a year just to stand out defensive superstar.

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna get much with the bat, and that's

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Speaker 1: all right, But if you're looking for a four a

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Speaker 1: guy like you can come in, be your fourth outfielder,

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Speaker 1: be your defensive replacement to win games like that's just

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Speaker 1: kind of you think. I'm like what a Justin Dean

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Speaker 1: did last year, That's exactly the role that Michael Sianni

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Speaker 1: would play. So I'm not sure the corresponding move here.

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Speaker 1: I think we're more looking at what this means for Kim,

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Speaker 1: what this means for Freeland, and how the Dodgers can balance.

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Speaker 1: You know, they do have an abundance of right handed

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Speaker 1: hitters right now. You talk about that redundancy on the

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Speaker 1: physician playing side. I wouldn't expect And this goes to

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Speaker 1: show how much I know right now. A huge roster

445
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Speaker 1: change with this when they activated Vanyas and make that official.

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Speaker 1: But I do know that they're going to have to

447
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Speaker 1: create some sort of flexibility for the rest of their

448
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Speaker 1: roster because of these two signings.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And if they are going to add anybody

450
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Speaker 2: else over the course of the offseason, you need to

451
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Speaker 2: then open another sort of roster spot, and that could

452
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Speaker 2: come via trade. Maybe you move a couple of I'm

453
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Speaker 2: gonna call them redundancies, and you give them opportunities. Bobby Miller,

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Speaker 2: I've said this for the last couple of years. You know,

455
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Speaker 2: they just barely moved him to the bullpen at Triple

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Speaker 2: A last year. Give him a full time opportunity to bullpen,

457
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Speaker 2: but somebody else's bullpen, and maybe he does have a

458
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Speaker 2: chance to, uh, you know, lock in hone in that

459
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Speaker 2: one hundred mile an hour fastball and just focus on

460
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Speaker 2: one breaking ball and you could be a decent option

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Speaker 2: as a middle reliever. I mentioned the keyk Hernandez thing.

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Speaker 2: It's obviously in the title of this video and of

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Speaker 2: this this episode of the show. So I'm certain people

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Speaker 2: are upset about burying that lead. Does this to those

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Speaker 2: two signings affect a Key k Hernandez eventual reunion.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so at all. I think both the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers and keyk Hernandez have that mutual respect where when

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Speaker 1: they get later on into the off season, yeah, they're

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Speaker 1: locked it. If this is a first choice for the

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Speaker 1: player and a first choice for the organization, they're just

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Speaker 1: kind of seeing how this recovery goes from Keyk's offseason surgery.

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Speaker 1: We know he's going to miss the WBC, which is

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Speaker 1: unfortunate for a team Puerto Rico. We don't know how

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Speaker 1: this is going to impact his opening day timeline. But

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Speaker 1: if you're the Dodgers, and this is just kind of

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Speaker 1: the smart play, there's no reason to sign KYK right

477
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Speaker 1: now because he's going to take one of those very

478
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Speaker 1: valuable forty man spots that he talks about Clint when

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Speaker 1: he could potentially start the year on the IL. Well,

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Speaker 1: the sixty day IL is not an option right now

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Speaker 1: for teams that won't open up until around pitchers and catchers.

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Speaker 1: So if you're the Dodgers, you just kind of wait

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Speaker 1: it out. You stay in contact with your guy, and

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Speaker 1: then when you have a better understanding of what Keyk's

485
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Speaker 1: return timeline looks like, then you pick up those negotiations

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Speaker 1: and then you use the sixty day IL if possible

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Speaker 1: to store him. I can see the Dodgers doing that.

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Speaker 1: That makes the most sense, so I would not freak

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Speaker 1: out about this. I still think k K Hernandez is

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Speaker 1: coming back to the Dodgers. We just got to be

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Speaker 1: a little bit more patient here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I will maintain that. I you know, I believe

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Speaker 2: they definitely have a wink in a handshake agreement that

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Speaker 2: the there, he's coming back home. I just wonder about

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Speaker 2: the playing time and how everything shakes out. But good

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Speaker 2: more information. Now, Katie, to wrap things up. Our baseball

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Speaker 2: thought for the road. We talked a little bit about

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Speaker 2: it at the top of the show. Why the Cubs

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Speaker 2: getting better is good for the Dodgers. Last off season,

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Speaker 2: we had Dodgers third base coach Dino Ebel on the show,

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Speaker 2: and he talked about how important it was for that team,

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Speaker 2: a twenty twenty four World Series team having the competition

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Speaker 2: they had with the Padres in particular, I think the

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Speaker 2: Padres have taken a pretty big step back. You look

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Speaker 2: at the Giants being kind of mid Mets in transition,

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Speaker 2: maybe the Phillies sort of in there. The Dodgers need

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Speaker 2: more help. They need better teams, good teams, living teams

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Speaker 2: in the National League to challenge them. This is huge,

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Speaker 2: This is absolutely big for them.

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Speaker 1: This is a great point because I was thinking about

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Speaker 1: this the other day the NL West. What is going on?

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Speaker 1: Did the division just give up? Because the Dodgers are

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Speaker 1: just They're just like going to concede the division title

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Speaker 1: every year. I've been disappointed by what the Giants have

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Speaker 1: been doing. I know my family has been disappointed from

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Speaker 1: what the Giants have been doing. The d Maps are

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Speaker 1: kind of still a mystery team because I don't think

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Speaker 1: they're done. And the Padres, Yeah, it's been a very

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Speaker 1: weird off season for a J. Preller and company. So

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Speaker 1: that's why. Further's your point, Clint, the Cubs being good

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Speaker 1: again is not just good for the Nlcentral, It's good

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Speaker 1: for the National League and it gives the Dodgers some competition. Look,

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Speaker 1: I've watched five years of the NL Central. I have

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Speaker 1: seen some very mediocre baseball. And when you're a team

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Speaker 1: that powerhouse like the Dodgers are going to be, and

555
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: you're continuously beating up on teams that you should beat up,

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Speaker 1: you don't learn anything about your team. You go out

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Speaker 1: and you steamroll the Reds or the Pirates or the Rockies.

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Speaker 1: What are you really learning about your organization? And those

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Speaker 1: kinds of things show up when the game is matter

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Speaker 1: in September and October. So having some competition throughout the

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Speaker 1: season is good for the Dodgers because it allows them

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Speaker 1: to potentially get punched in the mouth and see how

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Speaker 1: they respond. I mean, it's all easy going when you're

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Speaker 1: out coasting, right, But the second that you come into

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Speaker 1: some adversity, that's when you really figure out what your

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Speaker 1: team is about, what your players are about, and how

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Speaker 1: you respond. So I'm not sure it's currently constructed. The

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Speaker 1: Dodgers are going to get a lot of that in

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Speaker 1: their division, which means getting the rest of that throughout

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Speaker 1: the National League also very important. And it's just again,

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Speaker 1: it's just good for baseball that a big market team

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Speaker 1: is acting like a Cubs fans have been begging for

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Speaker 1: this for years. Maybe They saw the Cardinals heading for

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Speaker 1: a downturn for the next couple of years, and Jeed

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Speaker 1: Hooyer thought, let's step up. This is our time to shine.

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Speaker 1: But this is really good for baseball, not just for competition.

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Speaker 1: And I'm excited to see what the Cubs do in

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Speaker 1: the n Central.

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Speaker 2: Two things I want to piggyback off of there, the

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Speaker 2: punching in the teeth and the adversity. The Dodgers adversity

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Speaker 2: last year was was all self realized. It was injuries,

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Speaker 2: it was guys not really playing up to their potential,

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Speaker 2: mookie bets, having a down year, stuff like that. They

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Speaker 2: kind of, you know, they moonwalk. They cruised to ninety

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Speaker 2: four wins or whatever it was last year, kind of

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Speaker 2: cruised of the World Series and then they faced that

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Speaker 2: Toronto team and they were ready to go. They were

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Speaker 2: ready to throw that first punch. I think they kind

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Speaker 2: of got knocked on their ass a little bit, thankfully.

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Speaker 2: One of the things Alana and I talked a whole

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Speaker 2: bunch about, experience is going to eventually outweigh I guess

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Speaker 2: an up and coming team or whatever. The Toronto's first

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Speaker 2: time being in the World Series and quite some time,

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Speaker 2: and that's how you saw the Dodgers eventually persevere with

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Speaker 2: a little bit of luck and a little bit of

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Speaker 2: love and a little you know, couple of big homers

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Speaker 2: late from guys like Max Munsei, Kiki and N and

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Speaker 2: I KK and N sorry, Miguel Rojas and of course

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Speaker 2: Will Smith with the game winner. But to get punched

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Speaker 2: in the teeth earlier in the season, earlier in the

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Speaker 2: in the postseason, I think that is huge for this

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Speaker 2: Dodgers team. So we don't have to have a collective

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Speaker 2: heart attack as Dodgers fans. And as fun as Game

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Speaker 2: seven was with the hindsight of knowing the Dodgers win it,

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Speaker 2: I don't really want to experience that again for a

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Speaker 2: little while. My heart, my heart can't take it. It

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Speaker 2: already has enough to work through.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I thought Game seven was incredible from a

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Speaker 1: professional aspect. I think Dodgers fans would consider it insanely

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Speaker 1: less fun if the outcome was different. So I do

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Speaker 1: hear you there, Quinn. But hopefully you know we're back

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Speaker 1: in that same place next year. And I, based on

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Speaker 1: how the NL currently looks again lots of free agents

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Speaker 1: still available, the NL West no longer looks nearly as

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Speaker 1: competitive as I thought it would be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, Wes. We really need to have a

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Speaker 2: deeper conversation about that coming up here before spring training,

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Speaker 2: as we can, whatever that means.

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Speaker 1: But I think I'm bored. I'm bored. I want to

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Speaker 1: do things, so let's manifest it.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna manifest. Dodgers are gonna sign somebody soon. That's it,

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