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Speaker 1: You're listening to Draftings.

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Speaker 2: Network the John Nick and Kenny Florian Podcast. John Annick

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Speaker 2: and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 3: I love him.

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Speaker 4: I can't get.

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Speaker 5: Enough of him.

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Speaker 6: I hear that box.

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Speaker 7: The job there Cooktuffia Frek feerst.

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Speaker 6: Rock suck.

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Speaker 8: I believe there are a couple of absolutely self involved.

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Speaker 2: Here are your hosts, John Nick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 4: That's all I could get used to this live stuff,

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Speaker 4: my man. Forget the live to tape. See I'm less

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Speaker 4: inclined to cuss when we're doing this thing live. Monday,

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Speaker 4: January twenty second, twenty twenty four, it's episode four sixty

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Speaker 4: one of the Anak and Florian Podcast Live on the

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Speaker 4: DraftKings YouTube channel after the fact on the DraftKings Network

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Speaker 4: clips as always on the Anakin Florian podcast network and channel.

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Speaker 4: Kenny Florian live in Charlotte, North Carolina. He's gated, though

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Speaker 4: you're not getting access to him. Good morning, my man.

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Speaker 4: How we do it?

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Speaker 9: I got to keep myself protected, insulated, if you will,

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Speaker 9: at all times, John, Just like the guys that fight

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Speaker 9: in the cage, Man, what do we get?

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Speaker 6: Man?

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Speaker 9: A lot to talk about? Can't wait to do it? Man,

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Speaker 9: do you have a good trip back.

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Speaker 3: It was okay.

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Speaker 4: You know, it was a long one, as many of

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Speaker 4: our fans can attest. We didn't get back to the

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Speaker 4: hotel room until two fifty am Eastern time and had

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Speaker 4: to be in the lobby at three point thirty am

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Speaker 4: to get picked up. And by the way, Kenny's house

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Speaker 4: would truly be one of the worst possible destinations if

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Speaker 4: you were trying to get something accomplished for so many reasons, right,

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Speaker 4: I mean, he could drag you into his padded jiu

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Speaker 4: jitsu room if he really wanted to make it hard

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Speaker 4: for you, But there are other things that would be

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Speaker 4: a lot more expeditious. But thank you all for joining

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Speaker 4: us live for our UFC two ninety seven recap. Today,

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Speaker 4: we will talk to famed mixed martial arts coach Mark

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Speaker 4: Henry in about thirty minutes on Frankie Edgar's Hall of

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Speaker 4: Fame induction. Congratulations to fe Frankie Edgar. We do have

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Speaker 4: a special guest scheduled in about an hour, so hopefully

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Speaker 4: he will join us, and just given everything that's going

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Speaker 4: on with the scoring of this fight, we talked to

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Speaker 4: the number one source, Sean Sheen from Severe MMA coming

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Speaker 4: up in about seventy five minutes, but we are all

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Speaker 4: yours for the next ninety minutes. At the very least

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Speaker 4: Ray Longo will join us. A lot of different things

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Speaker 4: to get into at UFC two to ninety seven and

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Speaker 4: Ken Flow we will jump off right there. There is

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Speaker 4: a new UFC Midaway champion and that has been the

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Speaker 4: norm right This belt has changed hands a lot. South

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Speaker 4: Africa's Dracus Dupless He gets it done by split decision

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Speaker 4: over Sean Strickland forty eight forty seven times to sal

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Speaker 4: Diemato the dissenting judge forty eight forty seven for Strickland.

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Speaker 4: Ken Flow, we got a new champion and he's a

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Speaker 4: very deserving guy. Nice to see Dracus get it done.

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Speaker 4: And they're certainly celebrating this man in more places than

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Speaker 4: South Africa on a Monday morning.

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Speaker 9: No question about it. Well, listen, both fighters were fantastic.

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Speaker 9: Both fought a great fight, and I think that you

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Speaker 9: know for me when I was breaking it down, both

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Speaker 9: fighters have a tendency of trying to lead the dance,

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Speaker 9: and both fighters are at their best when they are

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Speaker 9: pressing forward, when they are pressing the action, when they

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Speaker 9: are backing up their opponents.

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Speaker 3: That's what kind of allows.

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Speaker 9: Them to create the offense that they're able to do

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Speaker 9: on fight night. It's not that they're they're bad necessarily

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Speaker 9: going backwards, but their games tend to flourish when they

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Speaker 9: are moving forward. So for me, it was the guy

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Speaker 9: that was moving forward that was going to win this fight.

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Speaker 3: Not always a perfect.

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Speaker 9: Indicator, as are the significant stripes for that matter, but

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Speaker 9: they do tell a certain narrative. They weave a certain

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Speaker 9: story throughout the fight that lends itself for judges to

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Speaker 9: kind of come up with some kind of a winner.

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Speaker 3: For me, it could have gone either way. Some of

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Speaker 9: But then you could also make an argument that maybe

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Speaker 9: even four rounds could have been for for for Drakes,

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Speaker 9: and maybe maybe three rounds for Strickland. Maybe four rounds.

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Speaker 9: It was really close a few of those rounds, and

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Speaker 9: you know, if you're just looking at stats, or if

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Speaker 9: looking at blood and things like that, you know, those

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Speaker 9: all of those things and then come up with a decision.

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Speaker 9: And because of that, we had a close one. We

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Speaker 9: had a split decision. For Dracus. I have no problem

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Speaker 9: with that. Probably would have wouldn't have had a problem

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Speaker 9: if if Sean was the winner in this one. So yes,

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Speaker 9: I did get it right, But I'm not out there,

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Speaker 9: you know, trying to try to brag to people, because

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Speaker 9: it certainly could have gone the other way, and it

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Speaker 9: was just a wild night of fights in general when

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Speaker 9: it came to decisions. But you know, I uh, I'll

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Speaker 9: pause there and let you jump in there, jum.

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Speaker 4: Well, if you were someone who had a betting ticket

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Speaker 4: on Dracus du plus c and someone who got it

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Speaker 4: at plus money, congratulations because it did close essentially a

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Speaker 4: pick of minus one ten on both sides, right. But no,

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Speaker 4: I was having a little fun at the expense of

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Speaker 4: people who are saying, you know, I fucking told just

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Speaker 4: so right Dracus du plus. It's like, well, it was

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Speaker 4: a really close fight. It could have gone either way.

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Speaker 4: There were a lot of different layers to this fight.

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Speaker 4: There were a lot of sharp minds who scored it

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Speaker 4: both ways. Demetrius Mighty Mouse Johnson scored the fight for

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Speaker 4: Dracus du plus, so john and a scorecards certainly doesn't

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Speaker 4: matter as much as Demetrius's does, or Kenny Florian's does

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Speaker 4: I did think Dracus Duplus won the fight. I had

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Speaker 4: him winning rounds two, three, and four. When it comes

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Speaker 4: to the takedowns, as one angle of this, right, Dracus

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Speaker 4: du Plus six of eleven taking Sean Strickland down. Nobody

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Speaker 4: else had really realized success taking Sean Strickland down in

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Speaker 4: the one hundred and eighty five pound division prior to

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Speaker 4: Dracus du Plus. Now, he didn't do a ton with

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Speaker 4: the overall impact of everything that Dracus was doing. He

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Speaker 4: for lunch. Yes, a lot of those did a lot

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Speaker 4: Plus he was doing offensively that won him this fight

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, And that's the way I saw it. And when

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Speaker 9: we were breaking this fight down last week, I said that,

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Speaker 9: you know, Dracus has the ability to do a lot

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Speaker 9: certainly did his fair share of damage in this fight

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Speaker 9: as well with that job, as you mentioned, but I

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Speaker 9: don't think it was enough. He's not known as that

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Speaker 9: guy that's gonna hurt you with one shot. It's the

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Speaker 9: accumulation of blows that make Sean Strickland such a problem.

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Speaker 9: It's also his unorthodox approach and his forward pressure that

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Speaker 9: eventually grinds you down. Dracus wasn't having it in this fight.

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Speaker 9: He was able to turn the tables many times drop

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Speaker 9: this fight and be the predator. He was able to

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Speaker 9: back up Sean Strickland in this fight and take away

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Speaker 9: a lot of his offense Because of it, he stayed

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Speaker 9: also think when he was landing the power shots, he

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Speaker 9: he was a little bit more successful when it came

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Speaker 9: to effectiveness of striking and effectiveness of grappling.

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Speaker 4: And in terms of big shots, Sean Strickland I think

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Speaker 4: why Sean Strickland has been involved in a lot of

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Speaker 4: close fights three recent split decisions dating to February of

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty two against Jack Hermanson, Jared Cannoneer and now

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Speaker 4: Drake is Duplessi is because maybe while his jab is

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Speaker 4: that was a huge part of what he got done here,

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Speaker 4: and there was just a lot of diversification to what

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Speaker 4: Dracus Duplus did. Numbers really don't matter with respect in

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Speaker 4: terms of the numbers, yes, Sean Strickland landed one hundred

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Speaker 4: and seventy three significant strikes to Dracus Duplus's one hundred

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Speaker 4: and thirty seven headshots one hundred and fifty seven of three,

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Speaker 4: three for Dracus du Plus. C But here in lies

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Speaker 4: to some of the other columns, right, six of eleven

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Speaker 4: for takedowns for Dracus du Plus, thirty two of thirty

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Speaker 4: seven on his body strikes compared to ten of fifteen

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Speaker 4: Dupless was a very busy man in the middle of

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Speaker 4: I still haven't had the chance to watch this fight back,

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Speaker 4: you know, I thought it was a clean strike on

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Speaker 4: doubt in real time, but Kenny, I just thought overall,

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Speaker 4: to score the fight for him. Sixty one percent of

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Speaker 4: the listeners that I pulled, you know, scored this fight

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Speaker 4: for Sean Strickland. But I'm happy for the new champion,

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Speaker 4: no question about it.

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Speaker 3: And I think that.

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Speaker 9: You're accurate with what you're talking about in regards to

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Speaker 9: the middle of the fight really belonging to someone like

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Speaker 9: Dracus two plus see, and that's the way I scored it.

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Speaker 9: I had rounds two, three, and four for Dracus. I

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Speaker 9: think that rounds one in five were probably for Sean

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Speaker 9: Strickland once certainly five was even close in my opinion

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Speaker 9: because I thought the power shots that were landing for

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Speaker 9: Dracus were a little bit more effective, but Sean definitely

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Speaker 9: was throwing way more volume in round five, which is

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Speaker 9: why I leaned towards Sean in that one. And yeah,

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Speaker 9: I think that Sean kind of let it slip out

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Speaker 9: of his hands a little bit. I saw an interesting comment,

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Speaker 9: Curtis in regards to Sean Strickland and how because they

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Speaker 9: spar so much, at some point during the actual fight,

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Speaker 9: they get caught into some sparring like rounds or sparring

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Speaker 9: like exchanges. I think that's more of a case for

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Speaker 9: Chris Curtis than it is for Sean Strickland, because Strickland's

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Speaker 9: too much. And if you do that against someone like

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Speaker 9: a Dracs Duplaic, they will take over. They will start

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Speaker 9: to back you up and land heavier shots. Dracus is

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Speaker 9: a massive one hundred and eighty five pounder. He's extremely powerful,

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Speaker 9: that really was the difference here. It really was able

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Speaker 4: And constantly switching stances, just creating different things to be

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Speaker 9: I'm easy, I would prefer to rematch Sean Strickland.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think it's an easier fight to manage. Now,

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Speaker 4: We're not going to get an immediate rematch between Sean

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Speaker 9: But I would not count Sean Strickland out of that

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Speaker 9: Guys aren't rankings and things like that. This sport is

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Speaker 4: I chronicled a little bit on the broadcast the extent

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Speaker 4: So before we spend things forward for both of these athletes,

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Speaker 9: About it, and this is why I picked him ass

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Speaker 3: No, he's just authentic for better or worse.

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Speaker 9: It doesn't mean, you know, you or me want to

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Speaker 3: That says something.

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Speaker 9: Sean Strickland is that dude. And I think that whether

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Speaker 9: that brought a lot of eyes, but I think that

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Speaker 9: a lot of people would love to see him fight

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Speaker 9: for the belt again. And I think his next fight,

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Speaker 9: which may or may not be for a title depending

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Speaker 9: on what happens, will be another huge fight. That's a

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Speaker 9: guy that the UFC can rely on. What the UFC

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Speaker 9: promotion wants, what every MMA promotion wants an organization, they

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Speaker 9: want a fighter, Okay, that people want to follow, that

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Speaker 9: people want to see compete. Does it matter, champion not champion.

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Speaker 9: Does it matter. You can have an extremely successful career

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Speaker 9: if you are a guy that people want to see fight.

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Speaker 9: Seawn Prickland already being a champion has accomplished a lot

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Speaker 9: and I wouldn't be surprised to see him fight for

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Speaker 9: the belt in the near future again.

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Speaker 4: I just would like to see him out of the

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Speaker 4: UFC APEX. I don't know that we need him in

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Speaker 4: has a great five round style, but I really think

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Speaker 4: you hit on the rub. There's a lot to be

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Speaker 4: gained in this fight for Sean Strickland despite the loss,

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Speaker 4: you know, and I do think that just a little

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Speaker 4: one of the things that you see from Sean Strickland

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Speaker 4: his next time around to try to leave the judges

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Speaker 4: weeks away. Dateline Las Vegas Team Obil Areina, Kenny, I

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Speaker 4: can't say to you, I don't know what the financial

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Speaker 4: ramifications are for a pay per viewpoint accruing champion like

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Speaker 4: Drake is dupless to fight April thirteenth at UFC three

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Speaker 4: hundred versus fighting at UFC three h two without as

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Speaker 4: much support around him, right, I don't know if that's

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Speaker 4: a two million dollars swing. I truly don't know. I'm

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Speaker 4: just going to say to you, UFC three hundred is

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Speaker 4: eleven weeks away. Dupleus's right foot is in a boot,

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Speaker 4: his face is shut, so certainly there would be something

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Speaker 4: suboptimal about having that type of abbreviated training camp. But

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Speaker 4: duples C said it sounded amazing. So what do you

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Speaker 4: think about all that.

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Speaker 3: John, I don't see a problem.

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Speaker 9: He's got another eye, he's got another leg, Okay, so

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Speaker 9: he's perfectly fine in my book. No, I guess it

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Speaker 9: depends on the severity. I think the eye is gonna

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Speaker 9: be fined. Certainly. I'm not sure what's going on with

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Speaker 9: the foot, and that could certainly be a broken metatarsal

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Speaker 9: or something, or foot itself, or.

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Speaker 3: It just could be nothing, just could be bruceed.

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Speaker 9: So I think, you know, from a medical standpoint, we

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Speaker 9: got to find out exactly what is going on. But

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Speaker 9: eleven weeks I think is plenty of time for a

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Speaker 9: person to get back in there. And not only is

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Speaker 9: UFC three hundred this epic event where you can make

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Speaker 9: a lot of money on it because you know it's

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Speaker 9: this milestone for the UFA, but I mean, look at

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Speaker 9: his opponent, is Raeta saida. This is a guy who

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Speaker 9: brings in a lot of pay per view buys and

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Speaker 9: Israel Asania. I think it seems like is also intrigued

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Speaker 9: with this opportunity as well, right, I mean, here's a

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Speaker 9: guy he said what he wanted to be away from

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Speaker 9: the cave for like at least fourteen months or two

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Speaker 9: years what we said. But now he's like, let me

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Speaker 9: change my mind a little bit. I think he's seeing that,

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Speaker 9: you know, with this changing of the guard, he has

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Speaker 9: this opportunity to come in here and regain his throne,

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Speaker 9: then maybe go in there get the rematch against Strickland.

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Speaker 9: So I think all three of these guys can really

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Speaker 9: benefit from this scenario in a lot of different ways,

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Speaker 9: based on who is available, who wants in, and even

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Speaker 9: the aftermath of that fight. So really intriguing stuff here,

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Speaker 9: but I think eleven months is certainly enough time again,

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Speaker 9: depending on the severity of the injuries of Dracas Stupile

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Speaker 9: see for him to get back in there and fight

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Speaker 9: someone like ad Asanya. Those opportunities, again do not come

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Speaker 9: around very often and it could be quite the money

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Speaker 9: grab for all parties involved.

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Speaker 4: If you're asking me for my prediction as to what

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Speaker 4: headlines you have C three hundred in eleven weeks, I

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Speaker 4: think it will be Duplessy versus Adasanya, and what a

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Speaker 4: story for the South African to be the last man

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Speaker 4: to make the walk at the historic UFC three hundred.

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Speaker 4: Now Alex Padata seemingly has interest and he could defend

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Speaker 4: his belt against macavn Ankliav that night. I think you're

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Speaker 4: going to see Alex Padata and you know what, maybe

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Speaker 4: the headliner is actually Patata versus on Caliave. I think

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Speaker 4: that's probably the direction in which I would be leaning.

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Speaker 4: I should not try to get too predictive here, but

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised that you saw both of those

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Speaker 4: title fights at UFC three hundred. But who knows the

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Speaker 4: extent to which Atasanya is even healthy and ready to

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Speaker 4: get into what would be a full training camp right

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Speaker 4: now in a couple of weeks or so. I do

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Speaker 4: think for Drake is duplesse to be in an active

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Speaker 4: competition cycle, there could be a huge advantage there. So

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Speaker 4: I do think you see dupleus C at UFC three hundred.

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Speaker 4: I do think that Alex Pata can make one hundred

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Speaker 4: and eighty five pounds if he were to be afoord

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Speaker 4: of the opportunity. But I'm not sure that as a

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Speaker 4: newly minted two hundred and five pounds champion, they're going

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Speaker 4: to give him an opportunity to now drop back down

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Speaker 4: to try to win the belt that he lost. I

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Speaker 4: just don't see a plan out that way. But I

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Speaker 4: do think that that Israe a lot of time versus

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Speaker 4: Drake is dupless, has a ton of legs for UFC

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Speaker 4: three hundred, and the betting line is already out and

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Speaker 4: it's very close on paper, all right. I hesitate to

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Speaker 4: bring up too many things as far as the scoring

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Speaker 4: is concerned right now because we are going to talk

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Speaker 4: to Sean Sheen later in the program. But let me

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Speaker 4: at least talk about this. The whole notion that to

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Speaker 4: be the champion, you have to decisively beat the champion. Right,

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Speaker 4: This is not boxing, even if that is an antiquated

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Speaker 4: theme for that sport as well, But that sport has

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Speaker 4: twelve rounds that are three minutes, and perhaps back in

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Speaker 4: the day when there was a close round, that round

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Speaker 4: would go to the champion. Certainly, on the surface, Kenny,

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Speaker 4: you cannot give a close round to the champion Sean

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Speaker 4: Strickland just because he made the walk as the champion

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Speaker 4: on that night. That is patently absurd. But I understand

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Speaker 4: why many many of our fans, more than you can imagine.

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Speaker 4: I'm talking thousands upon thousands of fans, feel dissatisfied when

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Speaker 4: a champion loses his title by close split decision. But

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Speaker 4: it's one of the many inconvenient truths in mixed martial arts.

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Speaker 4: I know Sean she and others don't like to hear

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Speaker 4: me banging on the criteria or the fact that we

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Speaker 4: don't have enough judges, but Alex Davis and others have

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Speaker 4: suggested to me that there's so much that we can

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Speaker 4: do to make this sport better, and I do believe

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Speaker 4: that we need to be more evolutionary in thought when

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Speaker 4: it comes to trying to make mixed martial arts better

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Speaker 4: so that the rightful guys always win, and so that

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Speaker 4: the sport doesn't have situations like Arnold Allen and Movsarre

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Speaker 4: Ivloyev this weekend. But Kenny, as long as we have

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Speaker 4: the current system, there are going to be close split decisions,

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Speaker 4: and a lot of those are going to happen in

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Speaker 4: title fights, and that's exactly what we have this weekend.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 9: I definitely think there needs to be this evolution of thought.

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Speaker 3: I think that's a beautiful statement.

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Speaker 9: However, what we may disagree on because I you know,

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Speaker 9: the way I see it is, sometimes we try to

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Speaker 9: make things better quote unquote by injecting kind of more processes, right,

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Speaker 9: And maybe I'm kind of divulging how I see like

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Speaker 9: governmental things, But a lot of times we're like, hey,

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Speaker 9: if we just bring in more laws, if we just

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Speaker 9: bring in more politicians, and if we just monitor as

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Speaker 9: many things as possible, we can make things better. And

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Speaker 9: a lot of times that complicates the process. But I

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Speaker 9: think what we need more than anything else is more

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Speaker 9: quality people in the proper places. I think that's something

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Speaker 9: that can help the sport itself. Now that too, is

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Speaker 9: open to interpretation.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's tough man.

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Speaker 9: No one's going to be satisfied with a lot of

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Speaker 9: things in general. But I think that a lot of

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Speaker 9: times we repeat these things that just aren't true, like

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Speaker 9: this whole thing of like, ah, he didn't overwhelmingly beat

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Speaker 9: the champ And that's why I think strickly one. It's like, hey,

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Speaker 9: you may think Sean Strickland won, and you may have

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Speaker 9: a great argument.

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Speaker 3: Is that the argument? No, it's not.

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Speaker 9: That is just some like repetitive bs that is kind

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Speaker 9: of talked about because you heard commentators say it in

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Speaker 9: the last twenty years. So you think that is now

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Speaker 9: a truth. No, that is just some like loose perception

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Speaker 9: of what we think should happen in the sport. There

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Speaker 9: is nowhere in the rules of judge a round or

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Speaker 9: a series of rounds where that indicates one or loss.

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Speaker 9: Like that is not in the picture whatsoever.

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Speaker 4: All Right, we are very happy to now be joined

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Speaker 4: Frankie edgar An, we wanted to bring your chief corner

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Speaker 4: to bother Frankie. But I texted the link to my

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Speaker 4: man Frankie this morning and he's on the mat. So

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Speaker 4: I just wanted to bring you two guys together for

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Speaker 4: up with a top five list of my favorite people

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Speaker 4: I know I speak for everybody Kenny in the entire sport.

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Speaker 4: Congratulations Frankie. Tremendous accomplishment, first ballot Hall of Famer doesn't

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Speaker 4: even begin to describe it. My mass No, thank you guys.

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Speaker 10: and you know you're the best with that. And I

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00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 10: could have a better person, you know, talking about that

652
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 10: talk that way about me. Mark the man is definitely

653
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 10: fitting to be on this call at me because I

654
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 10: wouldn't be where I am without him. We started this

655
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 10: together and it's cool that we get to see it

656
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 10: all the way through.

657
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 4: So, Mark, were you watching the broadcast Saturday night when

658
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 4: this all went down.

659
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 7: No, I don't watch MMA, bro, but but my phone

660
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,719
Speaker 7: was blowing up and everybody was sending me the video,

661
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 7: you know, a tear going down. I was trying to

662
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 7: go on YouTube and see what happened. Then I got

663
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 7: the full video. Man, it was and it was so great.

664
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 4: Because he didn't know. I called him up right away.

665
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 4: He didn't know. No one in this known, and MMA

666
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 4: deserves it more than Frankie. I was so happy for him.

667
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 7: I was on cloud nine and it definitely makes it

668
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 7: made me feel better after this thing last night.

669
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 4: Just so happy for Frankie, man. And it's just so

670
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 4: well deserved. No one deserves it more than this guy.

671
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: Man.

672
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 4: So we only want to keep Frankie for a couple

673
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 4: of minutes, but I do want to set this up

674
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 4: for our audience because Frankie had an exceedingly busy day

675
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 4: on show day right media up here in Sysy was

676
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 4: on a microphone meeting great signing, greeting a lot of people,

677
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 4: and you had no idea, And as your friend, I

678
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 4: kind of want to be like, hey, man, like, maybe

679
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 4: don't fucking drink all day, dude.

680
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 6: They put me in the draft.

681
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 5: They put me in the.

682
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 9: Drafting sweet with the guys they're handing out shot.

683
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 4: I'm drinking beers.

684
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 3: Definitely gonna give me.

685
00:33:58,880 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: A little heads up.

686
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 4: I didn't want to spoil it for you. At least

687
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 4: now you'll have time to prepare your speech, Kenny. I

688
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 4: just want to give you a chance to talk to

689
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 4: Frankie before we let him back to the mats.

690
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 9: Frankie, you know, uh, you've obviously accomplished so much in

691
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 9: this sport. Was there any idea that you were going

692
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 9: to be able to accomplish as much as you did

693
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 9: when you first got into this or even when you

694
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 9: first got into the UFC for the first time, you know.

695
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 10: I mean, I don't think I ever looked that far,

696
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 10: especially as a young kid. You kind of just looked

697
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 10: to the next you know, goal, or the next half,

698
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 10: or the next fight. I guess, you know, But I

699
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 10: know the type of person I am. I always strive

700
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 10: to be the best. I remember someone asking, like, you know,

701
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 10: what I wanted. This was kind of early in my career, like,

702
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 10: what do you want to out of you know, your career?

703
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 4: I was like, I want to be that Michael Jordan

704
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 4: of this.

705
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 10: So I knew that's that you had to have that

706
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 10: mindset to, you know, achieve all that.

707
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 4: I may not be the Michael Jordan of it, but

708
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame may through bed. It's incredible.

709
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 6: Man.

710
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 4: I never thought an American Mma fighter could be as

711
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 4: beloved as the iceman Chuck Ledell, and you're right there

712
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 4: with him, my man. I get working on that speech. Man,

713
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 4: hopefully not too much hollerhead before that podium appearance, but

714
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 4: we can't wait to see both of you at the

715
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame induction ceremony. Mark, I'm gonna keep you

716
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 4: for a few minutes. Frankie, you're a great than.

717
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: He's a movie star.

718
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 7: He's a movie star now, bross on that.

719
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, thank you, thank you.

720
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 4: Hey, I appreciate your brother. Have a good day. I

721
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 4: gotta be good, all right. So now we're shining the

722
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 4: spotlight on one of my favorite human beings in the world,

723
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 4: chief corner of course, for the newly announced Hall of

724
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 4: Famer Frankie Edgar Mark Henry. We don't get to see

725
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 4: you as much, my man, but it's nice to see you.

726
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: Man.

727
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 4: How you been bro. Great seeing you guys. Man, you

728
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 4: guys are the best.

729
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 6: Bro.

730
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 7: It's so great seeing you guys, and uh so happy

731
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 7: for Frankie Man, so well deserved.

732
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 4: You know, a guy that fought in three different three

733
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 4: different uh weight divisions and a guy that we used

734
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 4: to have to put rocks in his pockets before the

735
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 4: wigns wouldn't be embarrassed at And that's no joke.

736
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 8: Man.

737
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 7: We used to have to make this guy eat and

738
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 7: drink before the waynes because we didn't want to be

739
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 7: embarrassed to give the opponent too much confidence.

740
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 4: So I don't have any dates to confirm, but Thursday,

741
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 4: June twenty seventh is probably going to be the UFC

742
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame induction ceremony, so I'd imagine we'll be

743
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 4: able to drag you to Las Vegas in the to

744
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 4: the desert in the summer to be there for Frankie.

745
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 7: I have anything for Frankie, bro, anything for you guys,

746
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 7: anything for Frankie.

747
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 4: Well, dude, I think they might give you a microphone,

748
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 4: so just be careful. You know, these these Hall of

749
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 4: Fame inductees need induct tours, so I'm just putting that

750
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 4: in the back of your mind. But it is not

751
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 4: the guy, bro, You're not the guy, all right. So

752
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 4: it is interesting though, the way they like surprise these

753
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 4: guys on the broadcast, right because no one Frankie the

754
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,240
Speaker 4: way I do. And knowing he was doing an appearance

755
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 4: with my brother, I'm thinking, man, like, then after the fact,

756
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 4: this dude's going to have to do a bunch of

757
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 4: media when he's got like nothing left, you know. But yeah,

758
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 4: what was it like for you just in that moment

759
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 4: as your phone's blowing up? I mean, I'd imagine you

760
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 4: knew this date was coming, just maybe not this soon.

761
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 4: I don't know.

762
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, man, you know, I you know in my eyes,

763
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 7: you know, you're always going to see things different, you know,

764
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 7: for someone that you've been around so much. And you know,

765
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 7: I just think that people, you know, they saw Frankie fight,

766
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 7: but he didn't see Frankie train.

767
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:09,479
Speaker 6: Man.

768
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 7: He's just, you know, the best professional I've ever seen, man.

769
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,479
Speaker 7: Not only that, like just having him in the room

770
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 7: around guys like you know, Marla Marias, Eddie Alvarez, Kaylen Shukegan,

771
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 7: Corey Anderson and so on, all the great fighters that

772
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 7: we've had, Zabeat and and just like his presence there

773
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 7: and him being the captain and you know what, you know,

774
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 7: everybody just watching him come in the earliest, leave the latest,

775
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 7: and his work ethic. I mean, Frankie love loved it man.

776
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 7: Like Frankie truly is a fighters, fighter like he lived

777
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 7: it man. He didn't talk about it, he lived it.

778
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 4: He enjoyed it. And you know he's just.

779
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 7: An absolute coach's dream man and a brother that's for

780
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 7: sure too.

781
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 9: Mark. What do you think would be the I mean

782
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 9: it's hard to define just one thing. But if there's

783
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 9: one thing that stood out to you as Frankie Edgar

784
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 9: the competitor, what would it be? What what separated him

785
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 9: from everybody else?

786
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 4: You know, there's just so many things.

787
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 7: You know, like I said, he loved what he did,

788
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 7: you know, but his speed. I think you have to

789
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 7: have something, you know, and any you know, if you're

790
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 7: going at the highest of the highest and uh, you know,

791
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 7: in any sport and competing like you did Kenny, and

792
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 7: you know with him, you know, I think his speed

793
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 7: really helped him out. His foot speed, his hand speed

794
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 7: helped him out. But just his determination, man, his toughness,

795
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 7: you know, his his love for the sport, just you know,

796
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 7: as a student. He would just listen to anything you said,

797
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 7: you know, like I would call out stuff and like

798
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 7: he would just like do it in an instant man like.

799
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 7: It was just like the bond that we had and

800
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 7: just him trying to like he was just a white

801
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 7: belt man like.

802
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 4: He just worked so hard.

803
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 7: Every day was like his first day in the sport,

804
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 7: like when you were training.

805
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 6: It was.

806
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 7: It was incredible, and sitting down and doing the game

807
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 7: planning was such a joy, even for you, Kenny, Like,

808
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 7: I can't tell you how many times you made me nervous,

809
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 7: and I always tried to plan ahead and I have

810
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 7: I mean I tried to find it, but I've had

811
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 7: I had.

812
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 4: Stuff written down for you, like three different game plans

813
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 4: for you. I'm not joking at all. I love it.

814
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 3: I believe it.

815
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 7: You know, we're definitely we're getting ready for it for you,

816
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 7: because I don't know how you two didn't meet, but

817
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 7: I know that you guys didn't.

818
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, Mark, we just wanted to grab you for

819
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 4: a few minutes. I know you probably stepped outside the pizzeria.

820
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:38,479
Speaker 4: But you're all class and congratulations amazing. But I can't

821
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 4: wait to see you probably in late June. My man,

822
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 4: congratulations and we'll let you get back to it. But

823
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 4: I have a great winter man. I do think your

824
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 4: Buffalo bills eventually will be heard from. And uh, you're

825
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 4: just one of my favorites. I hand to grab you

826
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 4: for a few minutes today, Bro, Thanks so much, guys.

827
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 4: You guys are the best man. It's great seeing you guys.

828
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: Man.

829
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 4: Great to see your mark for Frankie again. All right,

830
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 4: day coach. There he is Marri Mark Kenvry with us

831
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832
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833
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834
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,399
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837
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838
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Speaker 4: kind of wanted to surprise Mark there today, but it

868
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 4: just goes to show you where's Frankie Edgar on a

869
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 4: fucking Monday morning, like two days after getting word that

870
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 4: he's in the Hall of Fame on the fucking.

871
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 3: Mats traded training. What a savage man?

872
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 4: And I did shout out Renee Edgar because she has

873
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 4: been a huge force behind the entire Frankie Edgar operation.

874
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 4: And I know for a lot of people and a

875
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 4: lot of wives, and a lot of mixed martial arts fans,

876
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 4: even men who are spouses who of fighters, right, like

877
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 4: they want to hear that significant other get shouted out

878
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 4: because it doesn't happen primarily without that person. Very interesting

879
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 4: to hear Mark Henry talk about the Kenny Florian preparation, right,

880
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 4: It's like, how do you prepare for a southpaw that

881
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 4: is an angry southpaw Kenny Florian, nasty prick Brazilian jiu

882
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 4: jitsu black belt, you know, elbows, and I think a

883
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 4: lot of that preparation is probably jiu jitsu stuff that

884
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 4: isn't necessarily going in Mark Henry's pike. But yeah, tough,

885
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 4: South Pod. It is interesting that you guys never thought any.

886
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 9: I know, dude, I always again, if you're you know,

887
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 9: near the top of the of the weight class and stuff,

888
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 9: you're always looking for potential competition right in. And I

889
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 9: alway he thought that Frankie and I would meet at

890
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 9: some point. And just like Mark said, you know, I

891
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 9: always had specific approaches of how I thought I would

892
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,959
Speaker 9: approach someone like Frank Edgar. I even trained with Frank

893
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 9: Edgar over at head Zo Graci's, and I remember, because

894
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 9: I potentially is gonna face him, I remember just flopping

895
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 9: onto my back and just kind of defending its. Frankie

896
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 9: just got of not doing anything, not really showing him anything,

897
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 9: just because I thought we would face each other one day.

898
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 9: But you know, it's amazing to see a guy like

899
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 9: Frankie who you know, consistently just got better and proved

900
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 9: himself again and again and went from being like, wow,

901
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 9: he's a lot tougher than I thought to man, can

902
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 9: anybody beat this guy? Like he was the first guy

903
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 9: to go out there and solve that BJ Penn puzzle

904
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 9: when BJ was BJ Penn like in his best weight

905
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 9: class one hundred fty five pounds, And the fact that

906
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 9: he was able to do that not once but twice,

907
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 9: it is amazing just that alone.

908
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 3: He's fightd against Gray Maynard.

909
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 9: You know, all the times that Frankie Edgar proved himself

910
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 9: to be the Rocky of mixed martial arts was just

911
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 9: always a pleasure. And just to be in the same

912
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 9: room with him, to compete in the same weight class

913
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 9: as him, was an absolute honor. And like Mark said,

914
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 9: and I think like you said, John, no one deserves

915
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 9: it more than Frankie Edgar.

916
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 3: That was that was a sure thing and just great

917
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 3: to see.

918
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 4: And I just have to say quickly before we get

919
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 4: to ray because people like behind the scenes stuff. Let

920
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 4: me just tell you and I'll look straight into the camera.

921
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 4: You know, back in two thousand and eight, two thousand

922
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 4: and nine, you know, we had a lot of conversations

923
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 4: about this in Bristol, Connecticut, right as the President's team Florian.

924
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 4: We really liked that Franki Edgar matchup. We were that

925
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 4: FRANKI Edgar matchup. We wanted that fight. We didn't get

926
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 4: that fight. Congratulations to my good friend Frankie Edgar, the

927
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 4: UFC Hall of Famer. All right, let's get to the

928
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 4: star of the program in the Ray Long a minute.

929
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: He is now times the Ray Long Minute. That's the

930
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 2: Ray Long Note Minute with John nik and Kenny Florian podcast.

931
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 6: Hey look at this.

932
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: There he is.

933
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 5: I'm hiding in the bathroom today.

934
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 6: How does it sound You're in the bathroom, I'm hiding today.

935
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 3: Okay, your hair looks fantastic. He combed his hair for

936
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 3: the show.

937
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 6: Now, let me tell you, somebody need a haircut.

938
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 4: Do you don't have a bald spot on the back,

939
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 4: do you?

940
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 6: Yeah? A little bit?

941
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 4: Yeah. It is amazing. And I'm not naming any names,

942
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 4: but there are some people who have a huge bald

943
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 4: spot on the back, and it's amazing to me that

944
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,919
Speaker 4: they would go to a barber and say, yeah, keep

945
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 4: a little hair on there so I can comb it

946
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 4: oper at ball. And I say this because I'm a

947
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,240
Speaker 4: guy who has my own hair issues.

948
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: Right.

949
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 4: I've been shaving my head since I was fourteen, like

950
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 4: every few days. So we all have our issues. People

951
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 4: think I'm going ball, right, No, I mean I got

952
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 4: a full head of hair. Just look at my twin brother, right.

953
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 4: We all have our issues, but I just don't understand

954
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 4: how you could like these guys just got to shave

955
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 4: the fucking head. I'm not talking about you, don't talking

956
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 4: about the other guys.

957
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 6: Why are you coming out pisson vidego.

958
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:15,479
Speaker 4: Hey, Kenny brought up your hair, not me. Kenny brought

959
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 4: it up.

960
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 6: I just listen. I'm just trying to hold on to

961
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 6: it as long as I can. That's it, period.

962
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 4: No, yeah, story, yeah, so I but.

963
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 6: That bold Spot's been there for like fifteen years. Matt's

964
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 6: never has been pointed out to me ever since the

965
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 6: first day he noticed it, So I know it's there.

966
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 6: I don't really see it myself.

967
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 4: But if I were you, I would turn it around

968
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 4: on a high challenge guy like me and say, hey, John,

969
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 4: you know why you've never seen that bald spot because

970
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 4: you're up to my fucking pack.

971
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 6: Hey, Ray, let me jump in on Frankie edgar Man,

972
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 6: because again, you guys hit on a lot of stuff

973
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 6: well deserved. You look blue collar guy. I think he

974
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 6: did his best work at fifty five. I really do.

975
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 6: At that time, he was buzzing through everybody was a

976
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 6: little guy. Nobody could figure him out. I think Mark

977
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 6: Henry did a great job on him. And that's a

978
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 6: behind the scenes story I'm going to say, is that

979
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 6: I would be at fights, and I mean Mark really

980
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 6: put his time in with this kid. I would be

981
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 6: a fight, like Frankie's not fighting. They got another guy fighting.

982
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 6: But Mark would bring his equipment just to work with

983
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 6: Frankie in the dressing room, like any time.

984
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 5: I guess this was at the beginning that Mark had.

985
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 6: He was working with him, and he would always ask me,

986
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 6: can you take a look at him? Then I think

987
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 6: he took him to Freddie Roach like he was just

988
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 6: so involved. That relationship really is part of it, is

989
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 6: really part of the success because Mark really you could see,

990
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 6: put his heart and soul into that and I watched

991
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 6: him work tirelessly.

992
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 5: And that's only when I saw.

993
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: It, you know what I mean.

994
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 6: And that was by coincidence. I don't even think he

995
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 6: should have been working with him at that point. We're

996
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 6: in the backstage, you know, we're back getting other guys ready,

997
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 6: and he's worming Frankie up like he's fighting. But they

998
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 6: were just hanging out waiting for that guy, and if

999
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 6: they had any downtime, they were going to use it.

1000
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 6: And uh, Mark, really I think that his homework on

1001
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 6: everything you could see from the beginning, the attachment they

1002
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 6: hadn't that just got bigger and bigger, and man, nobody

1003
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 6: deserves a better and frank Yeggart just based on the

1004
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 6: fact that he was undersized, everybody made him go down.

1005
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 6: I didn't even think he lost those fights at fifty five.

1006
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 6: They were a nobody ever. Blewe that guy out of

1007
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 6: the water, right, Yeah, so blue collar kid, great for

1008
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 6: the sport.

1009
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 5: Uh, you know, great family guy. You can't say enough

1010
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 5: about nobody.

1011
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 6: You can't meet Frankie Edgar and say, ah, that guy's

1012
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 6: a dick, you know what I mean, It's just not

1013
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 6: gonna happen, you know what I mean? So great family

1014
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 6: even as you know, his dad would always be at

1015
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 6: the fights if I remember correctly, and everybody was just

1016
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 6: uh that was that that brew the tea to my

1017
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 6: arm man. Frankie had is a gangster man and that

1018
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 6: kid for what he did, well, what he had is

1019
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 6: absolutely phenomenal.

1020
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, his mom's a great lady as well. And see

1021
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 4: the only guy he ever ducked was Ken Flow his

1022
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 4: whole career. So, all right, a lot to get into

1023
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 4: with you when it comes to UFC two ninety seven.

1024
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 4: There is a chance that the newly minted UFC Midway

1025
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 4: Champion Dracs Dupless will join us here in about ten minutes.

1026
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 4: But how about Dracus Dupless? What was your overall UFC

1027
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 4: two ninety seven viewing experience, like though ray it was

1028
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 4: a long pay per view, I felt like it. It

1029
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 4: looked on paper like we could get five decisions, and

1030
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 4: that was essentially what we got. So it was a

1031
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 4: weird night. You know, some of these knights can just

1032
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 4: be a little bit weird. The main event was fantastic.

1033
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 4: But what was your your two ninety seven viewing experience

1034
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 4: like Raymond?

1035
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, kind of hitting on it. I mean I enjoyed.

1036
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 6: I enjoyed a bunch of the fights that Like that

1037
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 6: bantam weight fight was absolutely fantastic between.

1038
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,760
Speaker 5: I did the rushing kid and the kid from Florida.

1039
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 4: No, that's talking about you're talking about a prelim. It

1040
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 4: was all maybe yeah Areton Field, Brad Katona. No, you're

1041
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 4: talking about Ramon tavarisin the one?

1042
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1043
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 6: Really what a great fight. That was amazing, amazing fight.

1044
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 6: That was an amazing fight, especially for a rematch where

1045
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 6: you know the Russian kid had knocked him out last time,

1046
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 6: so it was stopped early to his controversy. But man,

1047
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 6: what a great idea for them to put that back

1048
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 6: together again because that was that fight looks like it's

1049
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 6: always going to produce. But uh, and I'll tell you

1050
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 6: another fight with his no winner or loser. I think

1051
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 6: both guys did absolutely fantastic. Yeah, you know, the women's

1052
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 6: to call me the main card. I like the Woodson fight.

1053
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 6: I thought that was that was good.

1054
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 4: The look at Raye just diving into the prelims, I mean,

1055
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 4: can we get and Arnold Allen before you fucking rifle

1056
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:44,280
Speaker 4: through all the prelims?

1057
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 6: Wait?

1058
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 5: What's Woodson was?

1059
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 6: After Arnold Allen? What are you talking about?

1060
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 4: Sean Woodson was not even the featured prelim, right, But

1061
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1062
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 5: Man, it was Arnold Allen?

1063
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 6: What was Donold?

1064
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 3: He was the first fight of the night on the

1065
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 3: main card.

1066
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just got a fun listen.

1067
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 5: There's a good chance I didn't even wantch to fight,

1068
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 5: so don't do that to me.

1069
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 4: Gives you a lot of split decisions.

1070
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of thought.

1071
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 4: You know, the Canadian men went oh and seven on

1072
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 4: this night. I do think two of them could have won,

1073
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 4: maybe Mytory City and uh and Brad Katona. But I

1074
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 4: thought Sean Woodson beat Charles Jordan, you know, one.

1075
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 6: D per you know. So that was a little confusing

1076
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 6: when they announced it. But that Mike Mlot fight, Mike

1077
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 6: Mallot fight was mind boggling. I mean, he had to

1078
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 6: be a minus twenty thousand going into that third round.

1079
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 6: How does that happen? Kenny, He's a black ye jiu jitsu.

1080
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 6: Come on, man, we got to see better than that. Man.

1081
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 6: No attempt at escaping.

1082
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:41,919
Speaker 1: I just that shit.

1083
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 6: I don't get at that level. I go through this

1084
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 6: in the gym all the time, because you know, guys

1085
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 6: want to fight, they want to fight, they want to fight.

1086
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 6: You got to be squared away now, man, it's it's

1087
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 6: you know, you're going to get exposed if you have

1088
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 6: a weakness.

1089
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: Somewhere, you know.

1090
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 9: So I've been managing even managing his energy throughout the fight,

1091
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 9: you know, especially if that's something that has kind of

1092
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 9: plagued him in the past, and you're going to get

1093
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 9: someone like Neil Magni, who knows how to come back,

1094
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 9: who's going to be conditioned throughout.

1095
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 3: He's not going to quit.

1096
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 9: If he was going to quit, he would have quit

1097
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 9: against Ian Gary when he basically fought with one leg, right,

1098
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 9: I mean, he's not going to go away. And in

1099
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 9: that one, I just feel like Mike Mallott didn't manage

1100
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 9: his energy right. He allowed uh Neil Magni back into

1101
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 9: the fight and he kind of just sat there. His

1102
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 9: energy was guarded rounds one and two and he just

1103
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 9: sat there and took a beating from him, Like.

1104
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 6: Kenny, like, all you have to all you have to

1105
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 6: do is survive that round you won?

1106
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it was a minute left, a minute and

1107
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 5: a half.

1108
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 3: No left.

1109
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 9: I think there was what less than thirty seconds left

1110
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 9: in the right or no.

1111
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 6: I did it was it was towards the end. So yeah, yeah,

1112
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 6: I think you're right. But I mean, all he had

1113
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 6: to do was survived that and he's he's he's winning

1114
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 6: that fight.

1115
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 4: I that was fifteen seconds to go at the four

1116
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 4: forty five mark as you see there. Thank you, Cody. Yes, yeah,

1117
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 4: I mean I I do think that perhaps I was

1118
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 4: guilty maybe of overstepping a little bit when it came

1119
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 4: to some of the hyperbolic stuff I was saying about

1120
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 4: Mike Mallott. I mean, I stop at suggesting that he's overrated, right,

1121
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 4: But like the guy never had a decision win, so

1122
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 4: experience has got to count for something. I give Neil

1123
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 4: mack a whole lot of credit. But Dominic Cruz on

1124
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 4: the broadcast Kenny and Ray at one point mentioned like

1125
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 4: Gilbert Durino, Burns and Shavkat rock Manov, Right, these are

1126
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 4: the guys that are awaiting Mike Malot, and I just

1127
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 4: think sometimes we get ahead of ourselves, especially when it

1128
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 4: comes to certain guys in certain countries. With all due

1129
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 4: respect to Canada, right, we are dying to have a

1130
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 4: man take the torch, right, and we went into this

1131
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 4: fight thinking, without a shadow of a doubt, the most

1132
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 4: talented Canadian mixed martial arts male right now is Mike Mallott.

1133
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 4: And maybe Charles Jordain and Brad Katona are the other

1134
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 4: guys who maybe could make a push to the top fifteen.

1135
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 3: Right.

1136
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 4: All three of them lost, and.

1137
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 9: It's why Neil macnee is such a great gatekeeper.

1138
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 8: Right.

1139
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 9: I mean that in the most respectful way possible, because again,

1140
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 9: you aren't going to find out your weaknesses and vulnerabilities.

1141
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 9: Even if you're able to get by him, he's going

1142
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 9: to expose something potentially. And if you are getting past

1143
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 9: someone like Neil Magni, you are absolutely legit because Neil

1144
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 9: Magni isn't going to bend over for anybody. And I

1145
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 9: think we got the I guess the true story for

1146
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 9: now in twenty twenty four, where Mike Malot's at at

1147
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 9: this stage of his career and was certainly pretty dominant

1148
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 9: up into that last point. But it doesn't matter. It's

1149
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 9: how you do over the whole fight, right, not how,

1150
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 9: And Neil Magni was able to get right back to

1151
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 9: it and show everybody why why he's Neil Magni, why

1152
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,720
Speaker 9: he has so many damn wins in the UFC.

1153
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 6: Man Kenny, I think it would have been better if

1154
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 6: he was losing the whole fight, you know what I mean?

1155
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 5: But this is your head. You're winning, You're controlling ten

1156
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 5: minutes of the fight. What would the odds go? What

1157
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 5: would the live odds going into that third round?

1158
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 4: He minus twelve hundred at one point I was twelve hundred.

1159
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 6: Wow, I mean, how do you how do you explain that,

1160
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 6: and I know, guys that had he was the last

1161
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 6: he was the last guy to win a Paul out and.

1162
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 5: I go, going into the third round, you have to

1163
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 5: be jumping.

1164
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 4: And screaming like, yeah, you're not cashing out early. You

1165
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 4: can be sure. What did you guys think of Mike

1166
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 4: Blott's reaction after the fact he was down for a

1167
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 4: long time. I certainly believe that our good friend, the

1168
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 4: Massachusetts native Kevin McDonald let him take a few more

1169
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 4: punches than I would like. And I have to say, right,

1170
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 4: because I'm not here to make friends. I am paid

1171
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 4: to be critical. Right, Kevin McDonald has been on the

1172
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 4: wrong end of some of the earliest, most premature stoppages

1173
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 4: I have ever seen. I think the worst one I've

1174
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 4: actually seen was the first fight between Surrey City and

1175
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 4: Ramon Savas on the Contender series. Way too early there,

1176
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 4: deal Shaw Henry Soudo was also Kevin McDonald, and so

1177
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 4: I'm seeing Kevin in there, and I'm like, now, I

1178
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 4: think Kevin's going to have a long leash because of

1179
00:55:58,040 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 4: some of the recent things that have happened to him.

1180
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 4: And then you know, thank goodness that Neil Magny wasn't

1181
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 4: sort of uh, you know, deprived of a win here

1182
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 4: because the referee wanted to let things go too long.

1183
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 4: I thought he let things go too long. But raat

1184
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 4: did you see that reaction from a lot after the fact.

1185
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, definitely. Maybe listen, we got we'd have to

1186
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 5: hear from him too.

1187
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 6: Maybe something was wrong. Maybe you know, he you know,

1188
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 6: a way cut or he was at a I mean,

1189
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,760
Speaker 6: everybody in New York is sick. Everybody like nobody's escaping

1190
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 6: and getting some sort of sickness. They don't even know

1191
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 6: half the time is what it is. So we'd have

1192
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,240
Speaker 6: to hear from him. But the reaction, the whole thing

1193
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 6: was not a good look. If you're looking for the future,

1194
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 6: I don't. I don't think that was a good look

1195
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 6: at all. And he's going to have to make some adjustments,

1196
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 6: because I do think he's a super talented kid. I

1197
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 6: like his personality, seems like a great guy. But he's

1198
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 6: it's time to make some adjustments.

1199
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think John, you know, in that third round,

1200
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 9: I think Mike Mallot was kind of on the railroad

1201
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 9: tracks and he was seeing a train coming and when

1202
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 9: he actually got hit by it, he was like I

1203
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,280
Speaker 9: could myself. I did this to myself. I'm sitting here.

1204
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 9: I'm still trying to process what the hell happened. This

1205
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 9: is a nightmare. I was winning the first two rounds.

1206
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 9: Only was I winning. I was pretty much dominating the

1207
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 9: first two rounds. You know, a lot of it on

1208
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 9: the ground, and here I am on the ground and

1209
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 9: I just lost with fifteen seconds to go in Toronto.

1210
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that's a lot to process.

1211
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, and I think he saw his whole career just

1212
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 9: take a complete different trick. Not to say he can't

1213
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 9: come back from this. He can't, but it's going to

1214
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 9: be tough. And having that happen to you in that way,

1215
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 9: that's a tough pill to swallow.

1216
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:37,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1217
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 4: This was set up as a showcase fight for Mike

1218
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 4: Malott in Canada and he was unable to deliver. And

1219
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 4: I have a t shirt in my closet it says,

1220
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 4: what would Darren Elkins do? Right, that's his former teammate.

1221
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 4: And I think about Darren Elkins in a lot of

1222
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 4: these situations because Darren Elkins is in the danger of

1223
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 4: like dying from blood loss in there, and he's not

1224
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 4: looking for a way out of there. So on this

1225
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 4: may I love you know, there have been a lot

1226
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 4: of fighting. You can tell with certain fighters with body

1227
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 4: language when they are trying to live to fight another day,

1228
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 4: whether it's Brank Me or Chail Son and Mike Mallatt

1229
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 4: in this instance, there have been guys who give you

1230
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 4: the sign. And then the other end of that spectrum

1231
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 4: is Darren Elkins. His wife's probably sitting home like Darren,

1232
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 4: please just live to fight another day, honey. Don't prove

1233
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 4: your toughness here, you know. So, yeah, I do think

1234
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 4: you articulately that well, Kenny, go ahead.

1235
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, Joe.

1236
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 5: What you're saying is mindset. That's it. It's mindset, you

1237
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 5: know what I mean. And I'm going to tell you something.

1238
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 6: As a coach, all of this stuff the coaches see

1239
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 6: in the gym, they do see it. They know like

1240
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 6: like sometimes I miss with you know, a couple of

1241
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 6: guys here, who do you think is going to make

1242
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 6: it to the top? You know what I mean? Like

1243
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 6: you could tell the guys that are going to make

1244
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 6: it and the guys that aren't going to make it,

1245
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 6: you know what I mean?

1246
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 5: So his coaches probably know something we don't know.

1247
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 6: But what you're saying Elkins makes a decision that he's

1248
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,959
Speaker 6: going to fight his fucking balls off and.

1249
00:58:57,920 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 5: That's it, period.

1250
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 6: And the story was like, Strickland, I'm willing to bleed

1251
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 6: for you. You know those guys, those guys tried to

1252
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 6: kill each other and the both you know, no sould

1253
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 6: a lot of a lot of stuff. Strickland's getting kicked

1254
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 6: in the head, He's acting like nothing's going on. I mean,

1255
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 6: these guys accept the responsibility of fighting, and it's just

1256
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 6: I don't want to.

1257
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 5: Say it's that simple, but it's kind of that simple.

1258
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: Man.

1259
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 6: You got to have the right mindset. You could tell

1260
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 6: the guys that do, and it's easy to tell the

1261
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 6: guys that don't.

1262
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 4: What'd you make of the main event? I thought it

1263
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 4: was just unbelievably captivating and really what we needed after

1264
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 4: the co headliner, you know, kind of changed the vibe

1265
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 4: in that building a little bit.

1266
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, thank god for that because the Komama. Look, I'm

1267
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 6: happy for Rackel. That just didn't look like a championship

1268
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 6: fight to me. If I'm being an artist, I mean

1269
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 6: and more more one o.

1270
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 5: Silver just.

1271
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 6: I don't even know what I was looking at, But

1272
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 6: I'm happy for Roquel. She's been around for a while,

1273
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 6: and you know, is I'm glad to see how I

1274
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 6: gets something. I know, first one didn't go good and

1275
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 6: it was a rough situation. So even to overcome that

1276
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 6: adversity back then and wait this long she uh, I'm

1277
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 6: glad she got it done.

1278
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 4: But yeah, I look some pumptions on the co headliner.

1279
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 4: For sure, we all want to celebrate Raquel Pennington, and

1280
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 4: she's a good friend of mine, but uh, yeah, I

1281
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 4: don't know that, Kenny, there's any greater criticism that can

1282
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 4: be levied than just to say it didn't look like

1283
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 4: championship level MMA. And it's a big knock on the

1284
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 4: division because a lot of these women are older, right,

1285
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 4: and there aren't really any young contenders at one hundred

1286
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 4: and thirty five pounds that the fan base is going

1287
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 4: to get excited about. Juliannapenya is fantastic and she's a

1288
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 4: former champion, but beyond that, uh, you know, the cover

1289
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 4: to thirty five is pretty bare. So a lot of

1290
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 4: people are suggestive of, hey, if this is your two

1291
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 4: best at one thirty five, right now, you know who's

1292
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 4: next walking through that door.

1293
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's tough.

1294
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 9: I listen, I think it's a reminder that, you know,

1295
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 9: women's MMA is still new, they're still learning.

1296
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Speaker 3: If we were to.

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Speaker 9: Count all of the male mixed martial arts fighters out

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Speaker 9: there and compare that to all the female mixed martial

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Speaker 9: arts fighters out there, especially at the pro level, there'd

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Speaker 9: be a significant.

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Speaker 4: Difference, right.

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Speaker 9: And the reason I'm saying that is because it just

1303
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 9: hasn't been around as much. You don't have as many

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Speaker 9: females to test yourself to get better, you know, MMA

1305
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 9: promotions that are willing to put on these fights all

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Speaker 9: that stuff. So it's still growing. It's still growing, it's

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Speaker 9: still getting better. And not to mention, there's always gonna

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Speaker 9: be certain divisions that are going to be weaker than others,

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Speaker 9: right for for whatever reason. And I think that's one

1310
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Speaker 9: of those divisions. So it wasn't a great, you know,

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Speaker 9: way to kind of get a new champion in that division.

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Speaker 9: I do agree with Ray. There was a lot of

1313
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Speaker 9: sloppy stuff there back and forth. But you know, the

1314
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Speaker 9: toughness displayed by Penny yes expressive. She's been around this

1315
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Speaker 9: sport for a very long time. It was clear that

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Speaker 9: she came into this fight with a different focus, with

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Speaker 9: a different level of conditioning that she has in some

1318
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Speaker 9: of her previous fights, and uh, you know, Bueno Silva,

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Speaker 9: she has a lot of talent. I think she faded

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Speaker 9: in some really critical areas and it was it's tough, right,

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Speaker 9: I'm not a girl or anything like that, or you

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Speaker 9: know on fight week. I haven't really seen too much of.

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Speaker 6: That, are you sure?

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Speaker 9: I know a lot of girls I know I identify as

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Speaker 9: you know, but at first, like her, you know, getting

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Speaker 9: a really emotional and something a lot of different spots.

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Speaker 9: I said, how is she going to deal when she

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Speaker 9: gets emotional during the fight? You know, you don't want

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Speaker 9: to be able to crumble in some of those tough spots.

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Speaker 9: And I think Pennington was able to show a little

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Speaker 9: bit more toughness and a little bit more focus and

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Speaker 9: composure in a lot of those tough spots.

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Speaker 3: And I think that was the difference.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the main event.

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Speaker 6: I met in school of the fight, I watched it.

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Speaker 6: I was entertained to hell, that's what I was doing.

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Speaker 6: I really enjoyed the fight. I would have given it

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Speaker 6: to Strickland, I think, but I either either way, it

1339
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 6: doesn't matter. I mean, nobody got robbed. I just thought,

1340
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Speaker 6: strictly kind of controlled the pace with I'll tell you what.

1341
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Speaker 6: Let me just give you my thoughts. I thought he

1342
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 6: controlled the pace with the jab, but really not much

1343
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 6: more than that. Every you know, occasionally lands the right hand. Look,

1344
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 6: we learned a lot. We learned that Drickis does have

1345
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 6: five rounds in him.

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Speaker 5: That's the first thing.

1347
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Speaker 6: Five rounds against the guy that could throw heavy volumes.

1348
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 6: So that's a huge thing for Drickis. But Drickis did

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Speaker 6: impose his will and he kept going forward. He had

1350
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Speaker 6: Sean going backwards, which I didn't think he was going

1351
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 6: to be able to do. I thought Sean would take

1352
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 6: him into those deep waters and uh and and drown him.

1353
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:45,439
Speaker 6: But I think you know, the first three or four

1354
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 6: rounds it was you know, he he got tired too.

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Speaker 5: You could see the problem.

1356
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Speaker 6: The only thing that my criticism is sure is at

1357
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 6: the end he was getting just as sloppy as drick

1358
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 6: As he came out of himself a little bit, he

1359
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 6: held that jam, he held the overhand right, he was

1360
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 6: looking great. I thought he could have used more of

1361
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 6: the teeth kicks to back him up, which he normally does. Uh.

1362
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 5: But yeah, either way, anybody who.

1363
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Speaker 6: Won that fight, I don't think anybody could complain, But

1364
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Speaker 6: I'm saying Dricks is the surprise of that fight to me.

1365
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Speaker 6: He was able to go five rounds. He did push forward, uh,

1366
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 6: you know, kind of used his head as a defensive mechanism,

1367
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 6: which is okay if you you know, it's a big,

1368
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 6: strong kid. He's entitled to that. But I thought it

1369
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Speaker 6: was an entertaining fight. I think that's what they wanted.

1370
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Speaker 9: Would you have been nervous after round four heading into

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01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 9: round five, you know, if you were at Strickland's corner,

1372
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Speaker 9: would you have been concerned about the scorecard a little

1373
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 9: bit there too, Yeah, I would.

1374
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Speaker 6: Have been concerned at that point, you know, I know,

1375
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Speaker 6: I look. I think first off, Eric Nixic did agree

1376
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 6: he'd put up a great post, I mean, the class,

1377
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 6: classy act.

1378
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 3: But he said it.

1379
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 6: He said it in a third round though he didn't

1380
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 6: like that. He didn't like the third didn't like he

1381
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 6: saw it going. He saw it going in the wrong direction.

1382
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 6: Could he have been a little more well, you know,

1383
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 6: insightful with trying to rally his guy, Yeah, I think so.

1384
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 4: All right, Well, we now are privileged to have five

1385
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 4: minutes with the newly minted undisputed UFC Midway Champion Drake

1386
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 4: is du plus ce. Drake is very gracious of you

1387
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 4: to join us. I know you're traveling home on Wednesday,

1388
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 4: but you're still in Toronto. And for all of those

1389
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 4: of us who have witnessed the way you have conducted

1390
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 4: yourself over seven UFC fight weeks, seven wins, seven fighter meetings,

1391
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 4: so gracious with the fan base and the media, we

1392
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 4: tip our caps to you. Still Knox is on top

1393
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 4: of the world and you deserve it. My man.

1394
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 8: Congratulations, Oh wow, thank you so much. And it's great

1395
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 8: to be great to talk with you. And I was

1396
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 8: having this bad boy next to me. I mean, it

1397
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 8: means the world, and I'm great to be happy with

1398
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 8: I'm right now.

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Speaker 4: Well, we're going to be respectful of your time, but

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01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 4: I do want to start with the middle portions of

1401
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 4: this fight. Daniel core me a path me a note

1402
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 4: after round four and it said three to one DDP.

1403
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 4: And those of us felt like on the broadcast that

1404
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 4: you were controlled the middle portions of the fight one rounds, two, three,

1405
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 4: and four. There was tremendous impact. We thought to everything

1406
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 4: you were doing offensively. How close did the fight feel

1407
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 4: as you were in it?

1408
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, the fight felt pretty close.

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01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 8: I mean, I knew I lost a round one when

1410
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 8: I went to the corner, because that was our game done.

1411
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 8: I gained that was to fight Sean Schicklin's fight in

1412
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 8: the first two rounds, but fighting the exact fight that

1413
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 8: he would fight, so going forward and landing one punch,

1414
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 8: one punch, one punch, one kick, and that would surprise

1415
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 8: him though, because they would think I'm going to come

1416
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 8: up with the big bombs earlier. And after the first

1417
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 8: round I went to the corner, I said, I think

1418
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 8: we have because and obviously my coach would shout to

1419
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 8: me when the rounds about to end to get that takedown.

1420
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 8: And we made sure we got that at the end

1421
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 8: of every round to either level the playing field or

1422
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 8: to make sure we took a round in our favor.

1423
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,439
Speaker 8: So that was our plan. It wasn't as you said,

1424
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 8: It wasn't to get him down and hold him down.

1425
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 8: It was to get the take down, secure position, get

1426
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 8: back up. And after the first round one and I said,

1427
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 8: I think we have to do a little bit more

1428
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 8: than that because we lost that round, and he said,

1429
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 8: you definitely did, and I felt we want that. He said,

1430
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 8: he thinks it was very close, but I think my

1431
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 8: coach said, I think we won that round.

1432
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: It was very close. Three, four, three and four. I

1433
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: definitely won those rounds.

1434
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 6: I felt.

1435
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 8: I felt incredibly good in those rounds, especially in round four.

1436
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 1: I felt I felt it's funny that that it happened

1437
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 1: that way.

1438
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 8: But after round three, well, during round three, I could

1439
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 8: see John Streetland's face and I can see him going,

1440
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 8: you know, I saw him back building and getting tired.

1441
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 1: And I felt, this is great for me.

1442
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 8: This is so from round three we started fighting my

1443
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 8: fight in terms of now I'm putting the combo together,

1444
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 8: trying to land a big chance.

1445
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it was a it was a's

1446
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 1: tough fights.

1447
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 9: Drake Is You know, I'm curious about the power of

1448
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 9: Sean strictly. You know, the jab got your eye to

1449
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 9: swell a little bit early. You were able to get

1450
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 9: it back into control it and bring the fight back

1451
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 9: in your favor. Was it one of those techniques where

1452
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 9: it accumulated over time you're like, oh shit, I can't

1453
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 9: really see well out of the eye, or was it

1454
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 9: immediately one of.

1455
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 3: Those things like, man, this guy's jab is hurting me.

1456
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 8: No, what happened was uh that wasn't probably because he

1457
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:29,639
Speaker 8: had the first jabe.

1458
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: I took it.

1459
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 8: I just looked at it and I took it right

1460
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 8: on the forehead, and I went, well, that is solid,

1461
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 8: but it's not powerful like and I'm going to go out.

1462
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 8: He's going to drop me a rock me with it

1463
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 8: at all. It was just a solid jab, and I thought, okay,

1464
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:49,120
Speaker 8: this is he's a weapon. I immediately knew that, but

1465
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 8: I never thought that this.

1466
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:53,599
Speaker 1: Is kind of putting me in danger. So I just

1467
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 1: took it.

1468
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 8: I took the jab, and I thought, okay, if I

1469
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 8: can take the jab, that's where I'm going to punch

1470
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 8: off every time as that jab. I let him land

1471
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 8: the jab and I can get off that. And after

1472
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 8: the first job, second job, they did jab on my

1473
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 8: eye and.

1474
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:08,599
Speaker 1: It didn't hurt.

1475
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 8: But all of a sudden, I can see my eye

1476
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 8: closing started to closing.

1477
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 1: I go, ship, you can't just take these shots man.

1478
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 8: Small Yeah, I realized with this small gloves because his

1479
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 8: jab is really good. It's it's it's not that fast

1480
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 8: you can see it coming. It's just it's a solid jab.

1481
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:34,759
Speaker 8: It feels like a hammer first boom boom, And every

1482
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:37,800
Speaker 8: time I saw my eyes start closing, and all of

1483
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 8: a sudden I was completely shut.

1484
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 1: For I think it was in the first round. I

1485
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 1: was completely shut.

1486
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1487
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: I just immediately realized, you have to start carrying this jab.

1488
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 8: You have to start getting out of the way of

1489
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 8: the jab because it didn't hurt me, but it's beating

1490
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 8: up your face.

1491
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 1: It's a four ounce glove, right Yeah. And then then

1492
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 1: I just start making the adjustments.

1493
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 6: And I just want to say, first off, congratulations, I

1494
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 6: think you're a great ambassador to sport. Uh. I'll always

1495
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 6: be a fan of fact that after that fight you

1496
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 6: didn't even think of having a lawsuit. I think that's

1497
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 6: a stand up guy. Those are the guys I love,

1498
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:15,839
Speaker 6: and I think you're going to carry yourself as a

1499
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:19,560
Speaker 6: as a really really good champion. Were you at the

1500
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 6: when they were announcing the decision. Were you totally convinced

1501
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 6: you want or did you have some wiggle room in

1502
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 6: there where it could go either way?

1503
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 3: Before?

1504
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 1: Before?

1505
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:34,719
Speaker 8: Thank you firstly, before, but before we went to split decision.

1506
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,640
Speaker 8: In my mind, I wonder flight I felt going through

1507
01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 8: the fifth Even in the fifth round, I feel shown

1508
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 8: gave it his old but only at the end of

1509
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 8: the round. I felt that I controlled that fifth round

1510
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:50,479
Speaker 8: up until the very very end where he started. And

1511
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 8: how I took that when you started telling those just haymakers,

1512
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 8: and I took that as he's scoring a shot at

1513
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:01,760
Speaker 8: thirty seconds, yeah, three seconds of his round there, and

1514
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 8: he went for it, and I thought, in.

1515
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 1: My mind, I went, yeah, because he has this is

1516
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 1: his hail Mary. He is using this fight.

1517
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 8: And I had in my mind, I really honestly thought

1518
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 8: that I won the fight and regally altered the ball.

1519
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 8: I went to my coach and my brother, I went,

1520
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 8: we got it, and they both said, yes, I think

1521
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 8: we got it because I had it that we we

1522
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 8: got this fight.

1523
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1524
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:31,759
Speaker 8: And when they started an outder split decision, the word

1525
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,639
Speaker 8: and has never found so long.

1526
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:38,679
Speaker 1: And I'm like, come.

1527
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:41,559
Speaker 6: On, let me let me tell you drinks. It feels

1528
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,799
Speaker 6: warm when you're watching the fight. You're not even fighting,

1529
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 6: so I can get I guarantee it for you. It's

1530
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 6: going to be time. Oh man, you know, I'll tell you.

1531
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 5: A funny story about that.

1532
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 6: When Matt Sarah thought Matt used, I thought Sarah won

1533
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 6: the fight. And now they both named Matt right, so it's.

1534
01:11:58,400 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: Not to deal with the Matt too.

1535
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 5: Oh my god, you had to deal with the same name.

1536
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 5: I almost died. I really felt we had to fight.

1537
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 6: It was it was crazy, but so I get where

1538
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 6: you're coming from, and that was all the same name,

1539
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 6: you know.

1540
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:12,920
Speaker 4: So we got a couple more minutes with the new

1541
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 4: on dispute it you have to get away. Champion Drake

1542
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,639
Speaker 4: is duplus C. I quickly wanted to ask you about

1543
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 4: just your collectedness and your composure for all of these

1544
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 4: big fights, because I have said in the past that

1545
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 4: I think Sean Strickland is a big game player. As

1546
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 4: these fights get bigger, you just seem to get better.

1547
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 4: I know the wealth of championship experience in South Africa

1548
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:35,640
Speaker 4: ks W, but when you hit that tunnel bro like,

1549
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 4: it just seems like you're ready to go. So it

1550
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 4: seemed like there were not anything There wasn't anything different

1551
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 4: in terms in terms of UFC Championship nerves. You seem

1552
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 4: ready to go even if you didn't win round one.

1553
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean for me, that was a it was

1554
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 8: an important part of this fight. There was a lot

1555
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 8: of questions on my CHODREO and went out of debt

1556
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:04,639
Speaker 8: uh and and people had people would ask the question

1557
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 8: again to go a guy go five rounds And I

1558
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:08,960
Speaker 8: always said yes, because when I train, I can, but

1559
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 8: I've never done it in a fight.

1560
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:10,639
Speaker 1: Never.

1561
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:14,680
Speaker 8: And when I when I got into this fight, when

1562
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:16,600
Speaker 8: I went to the corner after the third round, my

1563
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 8: first time ever going past the third round, I went,

1564
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 8: I told my go, oh, this guy's in trouble. I

1565
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,719
Speaker 8: told him that because I felt amazing in the around

1566
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 8: entering around four when I could see. But it was

1567
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,360
Speaker 8: it was all about going out there and sticking to

1568
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 8: the plan and don't get reckless. I was a good

1569
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 8: serving energy and there was there wasn't a stage in

1570
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 8: the fight where I thought, don't do this because you

1571
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 8: might get tired.

1572
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 1: I just fought my five. I bought the game that

1573
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 1: we had.

1574
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:54,080
Speaker 8: I thought everything that we were we're planning and it

1575
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:58,799
Speaker 8: worked out great and as as well the championship mindset.

1576
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 8: When you get to a left well, when you've walked

1577
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 8: out day to fight Robert Wood again and that it

1578
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:06,639
Speaker 8: doesn't it doesn't really matter if there's a health from

1579
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 8: the line or nuts.

1580
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 1: The pressure you feel day.

1581
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 8: The magnitude of that moment is as big as it's

1582
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 8: kind of gets well.

1583
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 4: We're so excited for the Drakes du plus the era

1584
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 4: before I let you go. I can't speak to the

1585
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 4: financial swing for you if you fight at UFC three

1586
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:25,719
Speaker 4: hundred as somebody who will now make pay per viewpoints

1587
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 4: as a champion, or maybe fight a few months or

1588
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 4: weeks thereafter UFC three to OHO two. But we're eleven

1589
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 4: weeks out from UFC three hundred. Look like the right

1590
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 4: foot was maybe in a boot, but you've already done

1591
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 4: some healing. Your face looks fantastic. So what can you

1592
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:40,520
Speaker 4: tell us about this first title defense and how realistic

1593
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 4: you have C three hundred in eleven weeks might be?

1594
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:46,679
Speaker 1: Oh, listen, I'm not doing I'm not seeing any doctors

1595
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 1: or anything. Hearing knada. I'll flying back tomorrow nights. We're

1596
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 1: going to be.

1597
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 8: I'm going to be as soon as I arrive same day,

1598
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 8: I'll be. I'll be an MRI machine. How the body

1599
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 8: is looking righting? If a little bit beat up, face

1600
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 8: yield up nicely. Face is not that bad. Legs were

1601
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 8: pretty beat up even before the fire. I had a

1602
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 8: couple of things, but nothing serious. Nothing serious. It's a

1603
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 8: little bit of harder step on the food right now. No,

1604
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:15,840
Speaker 8: I'm a booting the right one, but the least one

1605
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 8: is just as bagged up. But they didn't have two boots.

1606
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 8: So I had to make the decision. And so at

1607
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 8: first they wanted to give me. They go the the

1608
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 8: medical personnel at the US goes, let's let's put you

1609
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 8: in a boot because I'm really struggling, and I go,

1610
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 8: there's no way.

1611
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 1: I'm pretty much from the boot.

1612
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 6: It's fine.

1613
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:40,680
Speaker 1: I'm doing media. It's fine. Then I cooled down, I

1614
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 1: take a shower, I put on my seat.

1615
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:48,720
Speaker 8: I go, yeah, okay, give me that boot. And we

1616
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 8: have the crutches. We have the guys. I'm like, I'm

1617
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:51,719
Speaker 8: on crutches.

1618
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 5: Is a good drug, isn't it?

1619
01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 1: Interviews that person give you the questions and I will.

1620
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 1: Yesterday morning, I wake up and.

1621
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 8: I tell my girlfriend, heyby, and if they have a wheelchair.

1622
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 1: I went down to breakfast in a wheelchair. It's not

1623
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 1: good to walk on either leg.

1624
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 6: Man.

1625
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:23,599
Speaker 4: Well, whenever it happens, man, we can't wait to see it.

1626
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 4: And this is worth it, this is with it, that

1627
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 4: world championship. It couldn't happen to a better guy. I'm

1628
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 4: so happy for Morning, Visa and the entire team and

1629
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 4: your family and one hundred plus family and friends all

1630
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 4: from South Africa descend upon Toronto watch parties everywhere in

1631
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 4: South Africa. Congratulations, you're very gracious to give us a

1632
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 4: few minutes. Man, I can't wait to shake your hand

1633
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 4: and congratulate you in a few months and uh maybe

1634
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:48,640
Speaker 4: thirteenth man, Okay.

1635
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:49,799
Speaker 1: That'll be amazing.

1636
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 8: I would love to be all using if you think

1637
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:53,640
Speaker 8: it's going to be sorry, thank you for having me.

1638
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 1: James means it well.

1639
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:59,240
Speaker 4: Thank you you're the man there he is, Man, you

1640
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 4: have seen little way Champion South Africa's Drake is due

1641
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 4: plus C absolutely incredible.

1642
01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 5: I got to tell you what.

1643
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 6: Just a great guy you get the field. That's why

1644
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 6: I said, I like the way he conducts himself. Look,

1645
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 6: he made a believer around me. I'll be honest with you.

1646
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 6: I think I've been not.

1647
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 5: Seeing anything all the time.

1648
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:22,520
Speaker 6: But he's always just conducted himself like a true he

1649
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 6: conducts himself like a chimp.

1650
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 5: And I think he's gonna really.

1651
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 6: Represent well and he's a likable guy. He really is.

1652
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 9: I think everyone should be really glad that I never

1653
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 9: want a belt, because I'd be walking around with the

1654
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 9: sport coat and no shirt underneath.

1655
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 4: Twenty four to seven from that time.

1656
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:37,680
Speaker 3: But just like Drake is, I love it. It's a

1657
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 3: great look.

1658
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, go ahead, No he's gonna say he's gonna

1659
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 5: do it.

1660
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 6: Tim, Sylvia, wherever you went, that was there. He wore

1661
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 6: that thing like a like a belt you'd wear on

1662
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:50,759
Speaker 6: your suit.

1663
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 1: Right.

1664
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 4: Hey, Ray, we appreciate the extended time. Thank you for

1665
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:56,639
Speaker 4: sticking around for a chat with Drake. His due plus

1666
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 4: and it was with Tim. You know, getting out of

1667
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:00,759
Speaker 4: bed to join us for a few minut today speaks

1668
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 4: to a man making a communder.

1669
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:05,599
Speaker 6: He's a professional John. You could see it.

1670
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 4: Ray, have a great day in a better evening. We

1671
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 4: got to fly with another guest in the camp. But

1672
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 4: thank you got anything else on.

1673
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:14,719
Speaker 6: Right one second, I want to thank both you guys

1674
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 6: for that check. I wanted all the people to minute me.

1675
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 6: The check that was in the mail got to my house.

1676
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:23,879
Speaker 6: You guys are very generous. Thank you very much for everything.

1677
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 6: Love you guys. Let's keep it going.

1678
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,679
Speaker 4: If you really want to know, it was you said

1679
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 4: brother Jay and Kenny who thought you should get a

1680
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 4: little bit more.

1681
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 3: Talk down the price.

1682
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 6: Hey Scrooge, I appreciate your honest thank God for those

1683
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 6: two guys because I was very happy.

1684
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, have a great day, buddy, better evening. We'll

1685
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 4: talk to you next week.

1686
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 5: It easy, guys, I'll see it right Ray, long go minute.

1687
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 4: It every week here on the Anak and Florian Podcast

1688
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:56,840
Speaker 4: as we celebrate the undisputed you have seen mid away

1689
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:59,520
Speaker 4: champion drac Is Duplessi, and I thought, maybe most interesting

1690
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 4: in that conversation Kenny was just how good he felt

1691
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 4: on the stool after round three, because you really don't

1692
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:07,760
Speaker 4: know until you get there. And I do think when

1693
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 4: you have a style that is so offensive and so

1694
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 4: finished focused, sometimes even if you put in all the

1695
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 4: right work in terms of the cardiovascular base, that can

1696
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 4: still abandon you. But we are going to go right

1697
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 4: back to the guest line right now, and we are

1698
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,599
Speaker 4: thrilled to welcome in my good friend, a longtime member

1699
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 4: of the Mixed Martial Arts media severe MMA, Sean Sheen,

1700
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:29,800
Speaker 4: My man, thanks for the short note to step up today.

1701
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 4: How we doing?

1702
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 11: Not too much carrying a bit of a call to

1703
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 11: be honest. But I was listening to drink Astaire talking

1704
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 11: about having the big witch foot to put a boot on.

1705
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:38,639
Speaker 11: I don't feel as bad.

1706
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:43,800
Speaker 3: Maybe not as yeah, okay, not too bad. It was.

1707
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 11: It was a great man event anyone want to want

1708
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:48,680
Speaker 11: to talk about. There's a lot of talking mines from

1709
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:50,839
Speaker 11: the card. Not the best card of all time, but yeah,

1710
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 11: it feels like there hasn't been a card with as

1711
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:56,719
Speaker 11: many talking mines and many as many like small maybe

1712
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:58,640
Speaker 11: controversial things.

1713
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:00,040
Speaker 3: What's to talk.

1714
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 4: Yes, and if there are things that we don't address

1715
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 4: before we let you go, I certainly want you to

1716
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 4: bring those to the air. I would imagine for you,

1717
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 4: given all the content that you push out, you sort

1718
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 4: of stole my thunder there by setting it up as

1719
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 4: beautifully as you did. But I'm wondering if you're watching

1720
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 4: a show like this and thinking, a, there's just so

1721
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:20,479
Speaker 4: much for me to talk about, and be Anne's probably

1722
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:21,759
Speaker 4: gonna call after that main.

1723
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:25,640
Speaker 11: Event's a little bit of all right, it's been a

1724
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 11: while with the break and then there aren't that controversial decisions.

1725
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:31,640
Speaker 11: So yeah, it was when you see a ten to

1726
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 11: seven as well, in the middle of a character and

1727
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 11: you're like, well, okay, we're gonna have to we're gonna

1728
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Speaker 11: be having a few chats about it. So I think

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01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 11: when we see ten s Heavens, we don't see him

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01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:42,760
Speaker 11: that often it's usually a positive chat, so that's a

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01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 11: good thing.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, so lots of talk about.

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Speaker 4: Well, I will start by suggesting that if anybody really

1734
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 4: wants to be informed when it comes to mixed martial

1735
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 4: arts scoring and criteria and judging, scoring, interpretation, all of that,

1736
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 4: just go to at Sean she and ba on X

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01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 4: and there's a video populated that he has pinned right

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Speaker 4: at the top of this page. And even someone like me,

1739
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 4: I try to watch this thing every six or eight

1740
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 4: weeks because when we have a situation like Arnold Allen

1741
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:11,719
Speaker 4: and mobstor Ivloyev, sometimes I'm in my own head thinking

1742
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:13,640
Speaker 4: that I don't know exactly what the rule is. But

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Speaker 4: let us begin, Sean, if we could, with the main event,

1744
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 4: and I guess if you want to throw your scorecard

1745
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 4: out there, that is fine. But overall, what were your

1746
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 4: thoughts on just a great first championship main event of

1747
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I thought it was I thought it was very close.

1749
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:32,559
Speaker 11: I scored a tree two for Strickland, but obviously with

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01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 11: the turd round my swing round as well. Look, I

1751
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 11: think it's kind of a four round fight more than

1752
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:41,679
Speaker 11: niney as. I think the fifth I think most people

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01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 11: would agree that that Strickland won it, and even you

1754
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 11: can even say the first as well. I think most

1755
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:50,680
Speaker 11: people would agree Strickland on that as well. And you

1756
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 11: could say the fourth that Trigg is one. It's all

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01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 11: most people would agree with that as a So I

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01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 11: think I think from a competitive fight one to four,

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01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 11: from a judging fights, it's almost too three that we

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01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:04,599
Speaker 11: just need to talk about. Two is an interesting one

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01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 11: because I do think rick is one. I think most

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01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 11: people would agree that rick Is waned. We also sometimes

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01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 11: have to remember that Strickland won the first. He is

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01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 11: the champion, and sometimes in our mind we almost want

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01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 11: the challenger to win the second. So we have a

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01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 11: competitive fight gun into two, three, four, and five, because

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Speaker 11: if you're tuning up after two, you only have to

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01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 11: win one more round than they, So sometimes we have

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01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 11: to we have to realize that in our own.

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Speaker 3: Head and watch it with a cooler mine.

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Speaker 11: Now, having said that, I still do think drick Is

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01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 11: did win that second round, So for me it comes

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01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:36,680
Speaker 11: down to the third. I think the turd was was

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01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 11: very interesting in that it wasn't that interesting. Not much

1775
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:45,679
Speaker 11: landed in terms of big impactful blows, and I think

1776
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:48,599
Speaker 11: until the very last shot of the round where Strickland

1777
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:51,200
Speaker 11: landed a very nice left hook, And honestly that was

1778
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 11: a big part of me scoring it for him. Like

1779
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 11: in a round like that, you know, when we're watching around,

1780
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:58,600
Speaker 11: what are we always looking for? We're always looking for

1781
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 11: the big impactful omens, whether it is you know, a

1782
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:04,479
Speaker 11: big although that cuts you are, a big shot that

1783
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 11: knocks you down, or a guillotine that maybe someone has

1784
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:09,800
Speaker 11: to struggle out of, a rear naked chock that they

1785
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 11: have to pry the hands off of, you know, something

1786
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 11: like that, something that's going towards the end of the fight.

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01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 11: There was almost nothing like that in the third round.

1788
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 11: So what do we score on? We scored on who,

1789
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 11: you know, who landed the more shots and who had

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01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:26,800
Speaker 11: the biggest impact from those shots. I think there was

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01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 11: very little in it between them. Like like Drickis, as

1792
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:33,640
Speaker 11: he said himself there just before I came on, he

1793
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 11: was he was talking about how and you said to

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01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 11: them how the impact the few shots looked like it

1795
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 11: was more than Stricklands. And I think the more the

1796
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 11: fight went on, the less shots Strickland landed and between

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01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 11: one and four, well leave five out of it. For

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01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 11: a second, and I think Drickis if that if he

1799
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:51,760
Speaker 11: had the fight again, I think he'll win it more

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01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:54,320
Speaker 11: easily because I think he'd land more shots and he'd

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01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 11: have a little bit more confidence. It's hard to be

1802
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 11: as confident when you're kind of taking a guy down.

1803
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:02,720
Speaker 11: He did take Strickland's offense down throughout those first four

1804
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 11: rounds when he didn't land, and has enough shots to

1805
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:09,679
Speaker 11: make it clear right, So I think the third round

1806
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 11: was the a bit and most evident part of that.

1807
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 11: In the fourth round he did exactly that. Like I

1808
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:17,320
Speaker 11: think if the fight happened again, I think he probably

1809
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 11: have three or four rounds like the fourth round because

1810
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 11: he knows exactly what to do. But in that turd round,

1811
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:25,800
Speaker 11: I just think he was missing a little bit. Strickland

1812
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:27,920
Speaker 11: was realizing, Okay, Rickis is kind of coming into this

1813
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,479
Speaker 11: a bit, let's let's roll back a little bit, maybe

1814
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:32,559
Speaker 11: not throw as many shots. And because he wasn't showing

1815
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,640
Speaker 11: as many shots, he wasn't given Dricis as many opportunities

1816
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:38,240
Speaker 11: to land, and he wasn't landing as many shots. So

1817
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 11: I think it came down to that late Strickland shot

1818
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 11: the few Strickland jobs that were landing versus the three

1819
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:48,200
Speaker 11: or four shots that Drick is landed. It's a toss

1820
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 11: of a claim. I don't think. I don't think there's

1821
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:54,800
Speaker 11: a strong argument either way. I'd argue Strickland just I

1822
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:58,479
Speaker 11: think most people are arguing Duplessy, and I couldn't say

1823
01:24:58,479 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 11: that they're wrong at all. So I think I don't

1824
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 11: think it's a controversial fight. It was just extremely extremely

1825
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:07,240
Speaker 11: because I look at the judges as well, All three

1826
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:10,640
Speaker 11: judges scored four of the rounds exactly the same. It

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01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 11: came down to that toard round, so that's pretty consistent.

1828
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 4: So you know, we talked about this off the top

1829
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:20,679
Speaker 4: of the show, and I guess I just want maybe

1830
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 4: you to address these folks. Those folks. I understand the

1831
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 4: dissatisfaction for MMA fans when they see a champion lose

1832
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 4: his belt and it's a close fight, but to those

1833
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:34,000
Speaker 4: people who suggest that somehow a champion should be rewarded

1834
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:37,240
Speaker 4: for making that walk as such, I don't even know

1835
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 4: if it's an antiquated concept as much as it's such

1836
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:43,680
Speaker 4: a bad concept. Like I mean, are there people out

1837
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:46,120
Speaker 4: there and obviously not employed judges, but do you feel

1838
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:48,320
Speaker 4: like a big chunk of this fan base, Like if

1839
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 4: they see a close round, they just give it to

1840
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:53,560
Speaker 4: the champ because he's the champ. Like, what are we doing, Shawnny.

1841
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:57,679
Speaker 11: There's a lot of idiots out term, Like we know,

1842
01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 11: if we keep talking about with the idiots all the time,

1843
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:02,600
Speaker 11: we'll we'll just become indiots ourselves.

1844
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:05,719
Speaker 3: You know, But I look, I hear it all the time.

1845
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:06,760
Speaker 3: It's it's weird.

1846
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 11: This one's especially weird on right because Seohn Strickland got

1847
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:12,719
Speaker 11: the tiler shot against Israel Ladisianya because rick Is Stuples

1848
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 11: was injured, if I'm not wrong, and they wanted it

1849
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 11: to make it tiler shot quickly. So like the only

1850
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:21,840
Speaker 11: reason he's the champion and Ricus isn't the champion possibly now, is.

1851
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 3: Because he got the shot first.

1852
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:25,879
Speaker 11: He could easily have been. Ricus was the champion defending

1853
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:30,760
Speaker 11: against Sean Strickland. Right point, and another point, right when

1854
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 11: that fight starts, no one is the champion. That It's

1855
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 11: like the you know, to be the champion, you have

1856
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:37,760
Speaker 11: to beat the champion comes from pro wrestling, you know.

1857
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 11: Rick Flair and all that view it as a pro

1858
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:42,960
Speaker 11: wrestling ladder match. That belt is hung about above the

1859
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:48,160
Speaker 11: cage and no one owns it until someone wins, goes up,

1860
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 11: collects it, and then Oien hands it to them and

1861
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:53,519
Speaker 11: then they're the champion. That is in limbo until the

1862
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:55,760
Speaker 11: fight ins. It's no no one is the champion when

1863
01:26:55,760 --> 01:27:00,000
Speaker 11: you step in there. So it's look, it's it's just nonsense.

1864
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 11: There's a there's a rule set there, there's a criteria

1865
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:05,599
Speaker 11: there to win every round, and that's how the round winner.

1866
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 4: Respect Shaun she and with us here on the Anakin

1867
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 4: Floorian podcast. Check out his content Severe MMA also on

1868
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:14,800
Speaker 4: shirt dog dot com. So I want to almost let

1869
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 4: you prioritize what we talk about, but there was an

1870
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,519
Speaker 4: incident in the pay per view opener Arnold Allen and

1871
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 4: Movsar Ivloyev, Mark Goddard stopping the action because of needs

1872
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:26,480
Speaker 4: that he deemed to be illegal, some suggesting that Ivloyev

1873
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 4: was playing the game a little bit. Have that play

1874
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:29,639
Speaker 4: out from your vantage point.

1875
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Speaker 11: Well, it's interesting because they're using the older rules in Toronto.

1876
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:37,560
Speaker 3: So you just basically.

1877
01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:39,800
Speaker 11: Any part of your body apart from the souls, your

1878
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 11: feet being on the ground makes you a grounded fighter.

1879
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 11: So look, Mark Goddard can only officiate the rules which

1880
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 11: the fight is being fought under.

1881
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 3: So he made the right decision there to make you station.

1882
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 4: We know that until you said that and I'm commentating

1883
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 4: the fight.

1884
01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 3: That's a massive problem.

1885
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 11: It's yeah, people, people always in my inside to me

1886
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:02,800
Speaker 11: in the podcast this week, what are we doing twenty

1887
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 11: twenty four having commissions worldwide?

1888
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 3: You have one rule set here, one rule set there.

1889
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 3: It's awful.

1890
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 11: And I like, you know, I come on here to

1891
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 11: talk about judging all the time, and I you know,

1892
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:15,600
Speaker 11: I've gat sympathy for the judges and the referees and

1893
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 11: the officials, a very sympathy for these commissions because the

1894
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:21,120
Speaker 11: they're ones making the decisions that make it harder on

1895
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 11: the refs judges, never mind the fighters, never mind the coaches.

1896
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:26,760
Speaker 11: If you're you know, if you're Farasa Habby or Eric

1897
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:29,360
Speaker 11: Nixick or something, you're trying to coach your fighter and

1898
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:31,559
Speaker 11: give them all the information before and you might even

1899
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 11: know that information until you get there that week, and

1900
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:36,280
Speaker 11: it's very tough, like we saw. This is a this

1901
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:38,639
Speaker 11: is a wilder bit of an example now, but Dimitrius

1902
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:40,680
Speaker 11: Chanson when he went to one championship and he had

1903
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:43,719
Speaker 11: to fight under a rule set where grounded knees were allowed.

1904
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:46,200
Speaker 11: He got knocked out in one of these first fights.

1905
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:49,600
Speaker 11: Because it's very, very tough to adjust your game to

1906
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 11: a different rule set where that's allowed. Now it's it's

1907
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 11: not as it's not as big of a rule change,

1908
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 11: I suppose in one you know, in in Toronto compared

1909
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:00,040
Speaker 11: to maybe most of the places in America. And you

1910
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:03,320
Speaker 11: get what I mean. It's you have to be you know,

1911
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 11: you have to have your mindset to the right rule set.

1912
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:07,280
Speaker 11: But I think just the biggest point I would make

1913
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:09,599
Speaker 11: on that right, we understand the rule was a different

1914
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:11,880
Speaker 11: rule I don't. I think most people don't like it.

1915
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 11: I think most people would like the new rule better.

1916
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 11: I think a lot of people would argue the k

1917
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 11: he should be legal anyway. But that's the discussion for

1918
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:20,479
Speaker 11: another day. The biggest thing there is the judging.

1919
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:20,680
Speaker 3: Right.

1920
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:23,360
Speaker 11: So how is the judge supposed to judge that. Do

1921
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:26,679
Speaker 11: they say, right, all four of those knees don't score?

1922
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:30,680
Speaker 11: Do they say, okay, only one kneed was illegal, so

1923
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:34,760
Speaker 11: we'll score first three nees. That's a very tough job

1924
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:36,680
Speaker 11: for a judge to decide. For maybe the judge that

1925
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 11: was on that side of the cage who saw three

1926
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 11: clearly legal needs will score them, and then Mark Gullar

1927
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:44,880
Speaker 11: called one illegal. So they're not going to score that.

1928
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 11: But what about the people at the other side of it?

1929
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:49,720
Speaker 11: Like it's and I'm not I'm not blaming anyone here.

1930
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 11: I'm just saying exactly what happened. And it's a very

1931
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:55,840
Speaker 11: tough situation. I think in future maybe something like maybe

1932
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:59,040
Speaker 11: Mark Collar or Kevin McDonald whoever, the referees could go

1933
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 11: to each judge and just say first three enees legal,

1934
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:05,200
Speaker 11: last one illegal, go to the same thing, just so

1935
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:07,240
Speaker 11: we know what the score. So it was a very

1936
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 11: tough situation that one.

1937
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 9: Not not to mention the momentum kind of taken away

1938
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 9: from someone like Arnold Allen who's in the potential midst

1939
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 9: of maybe finishing that fight. And I agree, I think

1940
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 9: there was one that was close.

1941
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 3: I think a few of them.

1942
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 9: He actually wasn't hitting him when the hand was touching,

1943
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:24,640
Speaker 9: But you know, I don't know that was that was

1944
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 9: a crazy fight.

1945
01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:27,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with you.

1946
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:31,320
Speaker 11: I think like I do think Mark Goullard, in hindsight,

1947
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 11: I definitely made the right decision under the rule set

1948
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:37,439
Speaker 11: which the fight was taken, so I can't think. I

1949
01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:39,519
Speaker 11: don't think we can criticize Mark Godard in any way,

1950
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:41,680
Speaker 11: shape or form. We can criticize the commission of what

1951
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:44,679
Speaker 11: that rule set in, and I think brightly so, because

1952
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 11: it did swing it away from Arnold Allen.

1953
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:48,799
Speaker 3: But Marc Godard had to make that decision.

1954
01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:51,599
Speaker 11: I would The big criticism I would have in that

1955
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaker 11: fight is I think Aron Allen won the fight.

1956
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, like those takedowns.

1957
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:02,240
Speaker 11: Later, like Kenny, like you're a great grappler, when you

1958
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:07,519
Speaker 11: watched the grappling in the last ninety seconds of that round, Tom,

1959
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:09,080
Speaker 11: mind you and you can speak better than this to me,

1960
01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:11,120
Speaker 11: But ar Man was winning that for me, like he

1961
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:13,439
Speaker 11: was you know Sean.

1962
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:16,160
Speaker 3: I would say, even in round one, you know, if Loye.

1963
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:19,320
Speaker 9: Was very aggressive pursuing the takedown, but those weren't takedowns,

1964
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:22,519
Speaker 9: I wouldn't consider that effective grappling. They were basically canceling

1965
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 9: each other out. So then what do we go to?

1966
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:26,880
Speaker 9: We'd go to the striking. So you know, when I

1967
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:28,439
Speaker 9: was watching the fight, I was like, okay, you know

1968
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 9: I had picked you know, Arnold Allen as an upset

1969
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 9: on the podcast. I was like, Okay, I think I

1970
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 9: think we got this, but then you know, everything kind

1971
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:37,680
Speaker 9: of pointed to if LOYEV so I was kind of

1972
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:40,400
Speaker 9: confused on that as well. So I'm glad I'm hearing

1973
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:42,640
Speaker 9: you know, someone who I consider an expert when it

1974
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 9: comes to the rules agree with me there. But yeah,

1975
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:49,479
Speaker 9: I just thought that the takedowns were really nullified by

1976
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:53,400
Speaker 9: Arnold Allen in round one and round three, and uh yeah,

1977
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:55,920
Speaker 9: I thought if Loye have only won round two.

1978
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:57,680
Speaker 3: So it was a bit confusing there.

1979
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:01,760
Speaker 11: Yeah, I would one hundred percent like I think the

1980
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:04,800
Speaker 11: point about the said in last ninety seconds of round

1981
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:07,439
Speaker 11: one where was taking him down and you know, Aaron

1982
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:09,719
Speaker 11: Allam was rolling out of him. A lot of people

1983
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:13,080
Speaker 11: would argue, in let's leave that fine a side for

1984
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:15,760
Speaker 11: a second, but you know a takedown should score, or

1985
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:18,040
Speaker 11: getting on top and having top control should score, or

1986
01:32:18,040 --> 01:32:21,960
Speaker 11: dominating the grappling should score, and whereas I think judges

1987
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 11: and myself would look at it more as like, you know,

1988
01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:27,200
Speaker 11: when you get into a position to get a submission,

1989
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:29,240
Speaker 11: or when you get a submission or forcing someone to defend,

1990
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:32,599
Speaker 11: it's what scores more highly in this fight. I'd argue

1991
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:36,200
Speaker 11: that the people on the first example there who want

1992
01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:39,639
Speaker 11: to score, you know, dominating the positions. They don't even

1993
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:41,720
Speaker 11: have an argument for a live in that because I,

1994
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:44,639
Speaker 11: as you said, they're kind of I think Aaron Allen

1995
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:47,320
Speaker 11: was winning that as well. So I find it very

1996
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:48,960
Speaker 11: hard to know how we would know it wasn't a

1997
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:51,519
Speaker 11: blowway around or I think it was still relatively close.

1998
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:55,040
Speaker 11: But I think you know, Arl Allen, to me watching

1999
01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:58,679
Speaker 11: at home, was landing the harder shots. At the start

2000
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:01,599
Speaker 11: of that. He was rocking his head back multiple times.

2001
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:04,400
Speaker 11: He went on some big shots, and yeah, I thought

2002
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:06,360
Speaker 11: he won't that round, as I said, not a blowaway.

2003
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:09,080
Speaker 11: But to me and Trout the whole fight, I'm Sorryry

2004
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:11,600
Speaker 11: wrote the whole nights Trout the whole Pepper view. That

2005
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:14,800
Speaker 11: was the only round I really had a problem with.

2006
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:16,799
Speaker 11: I think all the rest of them were very close.

2007
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:18,840
Speaker 4: All Right, a few more minutes here with Shawn she

2008
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:20,840
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna highlight some other things that happened on

2009
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:23,519
Speaker 4: this night, and you can go in any direction you want.

2010
01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:27,400
Speaker 4: Sean Woodson beats Charle air Jordaine. I thought he won

2011
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:30,240
Speaker 4: the fight. It was a split decision, but the communication

2012
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 4: is veteran Voice of the Octagon Bruce Buffer tells Jaren Villell,

2013
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:39,519
Speaker 4: referee who wins the fight. So I understand that Charles

2014
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:43,479
Speaker 4: and Sean those first names sound alike, not quite like

2015
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 4: Matt and Matt, but they sound alike. But Jaron Villell

2016
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:49,760
Speaker 4: has been communicated to by Bruce Buffer. He knows Sean

2017
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:51,800
Speaker 4: Woodson won the fight, So what the fuck you do?

2018
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:56,360
Speaker 4: And raising Charles Jordaine's hand. That was messy? Anything for

2019
01:33:56,439 --> 01:33:56,800
Speaker 4: us on that?

2020
01:33:57,640 --> 01:34:01,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a bit weird, I think. Yeah, it

2021
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:01,720
Speaker 3: was a.

2022
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:05,680
Speaker 11: Bit like the the time, like the the did the

2023
01:34:05,720 --> 01:34:09,040
Speaker 11: oscar went to the wrong persons? It wasn't they call

2024
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:09,760
Speaker 11: the other person out?

2025
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:10,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was.

2026
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:12,080
Speaker 11: It was a bit odd, But yeah, I don't think

2027
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 11: that was a spit decision either, to be honest, I think.

2028
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 3: Sean Woodson won that one. Yeah, I agree pretty comfortably.

2029
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:20,760
Speaker 11: The other The other fight was the Taveres and the

2030
01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:23,360
Speaker 11: sight light and obviously the cut in the second round.

2031
01:34:23,400 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 11: And you know, we obviously a lot of talking and

2032
01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:28,880
Speaker 11: the commentary about cuts and everything like that. The cut

2033
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:31,320
Speaker 11: happened in the second round. It was a very close

2034
01:34:31,439 --> 01:34:34,600
Speaker 11: round and two of the three judges scored it for

2035
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:38,800
Speaker 11: the guy who got cut, So you know, we We've

2036
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:41,040
Speaker 11: had I suppose that discussion before and we will have

2037
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:44,160
Speaker 11: it many times again. It's impact is not just lacerations.

2038
01:34:44,160 --> 01:34:45,320
Speaker 11: It's lacerations are.

2039
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:45,600
Speaker 4: Part of it.

2040
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:50,320
Speaker 11: Definitely score more with the actual impact in terms of

2041
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:53,479
Speaker 11: someone getting knocked down or someone getting badly concussed is

2042
01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:55,160
Speaker 11: a big part. And just on the ten to seven

2043
01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:58,160
Speaker 11: as well, because I know we're probably cut form, it's

2044
01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:00,360
Speaker 11: I'll tell you why that ten seven is. And I

2045
01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:02,760
Speaker 11: discussed on the Severe Met podcasts if people wanted a

2046
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:06,479
Speaker 11: longer maybe discussion. But Saldo matter scored that ten to seven.

2047
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:10,000
Speaker 11: And you've talked about sal before. He sala is the

2048
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:13,680
Speaker 11: leader of the judges. People look up the sal I

2049
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:16,560
Speaker 11: met four or five and the judges there before Christmas

2050
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:18,960
Speaker 11: at a bellot or event and sal was there as well.

2051
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:21,439
Speaker 11: I we had a great chat and you know, they

2052
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:23,320
Speaker 11: all kind of said, we look up the Sala Salad

2053
01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:26,200
Speaker 11: does something, it feels like we can also do it.

2054
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:28,920
Speaker 11: And I think that is a great decision Salm made

2055
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:30,040
Speaker 11: to give that a ten to seven.

2056
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:32,200
Speaker 3: Now I actually don't think it was a ten to seven.

2057
01:35:32,240 --> 01:35:33,640
Speaker 3: I think it was a ten aight, but it was.

2058
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:35,600
Speaker 11: It was close. But for him to give it a

2059
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:39,200
Speaker 11: ten to seven. It gives the opportunity for you know,

2060
01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:42,080
Speaker 11: whether you're Derek Cleary or Journal Valela, whoever, you might

2061
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:44,920
Speaker 11: be going into a fight and it's a borderline ten

2062
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:47,280
Speaker 11: to seven. You can give that fight ten to seven.

2063
01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:49,879
Speaker 11: You can go into the meeting afterwards for the commission

2064
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:51,799
Speaker 11: and said, Okay, why did you score that a ten seven?

2065
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:54,519
Speaker 11: He can say, well, I watched Chadmund Gaza Vissius against

2066
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:58,639
Speaker 11: Priscillo cashuea Saldo Matters scored that ten seven. I think

2067
01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:00,439
Speaker 11: this was a similar round and that's what I sport

2068
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:01,040
Speaker 11: at ten to seven.

2069
01:36:01,240 --> 01:36:02,160
Speaker 3: So for Style to put.

2070
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:04,599
Speaker 11: His head above the power to make that sart to decision.

2071
01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:06,640
Speaker 11: But it's not an easy decision to make. We don't have

2072
01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:09,000
Speaker 11: that many ten sevens. You see when people heard about

2073
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:10,599
Speaker 11: what did they say, what are all the tweets?

2074
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:12,280
Speaker 3: Are rare? Ten to seven? You know?

2075
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:15,599
Speaker 11: So I think that was a big decision, very brave

2076
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:18,040
Speaker 11: judging and very good judging as well, and I think

2077
01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:19,479
Speaker 11: it'll help things in the future.

2078
01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:22,599
Speaker 4: You articulated that well, and I like the adjective brave.

2079
01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:25,559
Speaker 4: We need brave judging. We need more liberal use of

2080
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:28,639
Speaker 4: ten eights and ten sevens. Even if I would defer

2081
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:31,439
Speaker 4: to Sean shean scorecard over sald models and he had

2082
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:34,120
Speaker 4: a ten eight. We need people in those seats to

2083
01:36:34,240 --> 01:36:36,760
Speaker 4: actually throw out ten sevens. Would you ever judge or No?

2084
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:39,240
Speaker 3: I probably couldn't.

2085
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:41,639
Speaker 11: I've talked too much about Yeah, you talk about shit,

2086
01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:46,680
Speaker 11: I amateur fight in Ireland or something, But yeah, I don't.

2087
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 4: Why I am reluctant to shout out the live odds

2088
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:52,320
Speaker 4: at times is because for me, as a sports better,

2089
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:54,800
Speaker 4: unless I'm looking at a live, playable line, I don't

2090
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:56,799
Speaker 4: even like throwing that out there because of the timing.

2091
01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:58,840
Speaker 4: But Surrey City at one point was the minus four

2092
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:02,080
Speaker 4: twenty five live favorite, and I did think he won

2093
01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:03,800
Speaker 4: that fight, and I do feel bad for him a

2094
01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:05,240
Speaker 4: little bit. I feel like maybe they didn't get the

2095
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:07,599
Speaker 4: fight at Night bonus in some part because Tabaris missed weight.

2096
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:09,719
Speaker 4: But I thought you highlighted that well. And I will

2097
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:12,559
Speaker 4: just say of my criticism of Saldiamatto if you want

2098
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:14,400
Speaker 4: to call it that, and please just know this is

2099
01:37:14,439 --> 01:37:16,800
Speaker 4: John Annick talking as mixed martial arts fan, not as

2100
01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:19,800
Speaker 4: MMA commentator, right, because Sal's probably the judge that I'm

2101
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:22,240
Speaker 4: closest to like. If any judge is getting a Christmas

2102
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:24,840
Speaker 4: card for me. It's probably him. But here is just

2103
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:29,479
Speaker 4: my point, with a backdrop thesis statement that I believe

2104
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:32,320
Speaker 4: we need more elite judges and we don't have that.

2105
01:37:32,479 --> 01:37:34,680
Speaker 4: But Sal obviously is one of the best. But my

2106
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:37,160
Speaker 4: whole thing is just and I think you'll be dismissive

2107
01:37:37,160 --> 01:37:39,479
Speaker 4: of this because it's a little bit conspiracy theorist. But

2108
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:42,240
Speaker 4: back in twenty twenty two, and I'll say this quickly,

2109
01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:45,480
Speaker 4: Saldeamodo scored a main event at the Apex for Jackermanson.

2110
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:48,040
Speaker 4: He had a four rounds to one for Jackermanson forty

2111
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:51,519
Speaker 4: nine forty six. Shawn she and I have Sean Strickland

2112
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:53,040
Speaker 4: in here. I was afraid I was going to do that.

2113
01:37:53,080 --> 01:37:57,760
Speaker 4: Shawn Sheen scored that fight fifty to forty five for Strickland.

2114
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:00,679
Speaker 4: Not a single media scorecard on MMA decision dot Com

2115
01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:03,600
Speaker 4: had the fight for Jack Rmanson. Sal was roundly criticized

2116
01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:05,559
Speaker 4: for that card, and I remember thinking at the time,

2117
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:08,080
Speaker 4: he's a human being with a subconscious Next time he

2118
01:38:08,120 --> 01:38:11,160
Speaker 4: reft Sean Strickland, Shawn's probably going to get the close rounds.

2119
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:13,160
Speaker 4: Now you can say to me, there's no fucking way.

2120
01:38:13,240 --> 01:38:16,160
Speaker 4: John sala Is elite. He would never let that cloud

2121
01:38:16,200 --> 01:38:19,479
Speaker 4: into his brain, but he can't control every fucking stem

2122
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:23,080
Speaker 4: of his brain. So my suggestion is, if you have

2123
01:38:23,200 --> 01:38:26,879
Speaker 4: a wayward scorecard, a scorecard like that that is so wayward,

2124
01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:29,640
Speaker 4: if we had enough elite judges, I would like to

2125
01:38:29,640 --> 01:38:33,720
Speaker 4: see Salviamado remove from the next few Sean Strickland or

2126
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:37,599
Speaker 4: Jack Hermanson fights, because even though I agree with sal

2127
01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:41,559
Speaker 4: Diamato's next scorecard, that was a split decision. He was

2128
01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:44,559
Speaker 4: the dissenting judge for Sean Strickland versus Jared Cannedier. I

2129
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:46,760
Speaker 4: just think you can't help but have some sort of

2130
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:49,599
Speaker 4: thing in your subconscious that I've been so wrong about

2131
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:52,599
Speaker 4: this guy in his style relative to the masses before

2132
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:54,800
Speaker 4: that in the close rounds here my subconscious is given

2133
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:56,400
Speaker 4: the round to Sean Strickland. Am I crazy?

2134
01:38:57,280 --> 01:39:00,519
Speaker 3: I think so? Yeah? I would.

2135
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:02,720
Speaker 11: I would argue right if that was the case. I

2136
01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:05,880
Speaker 11: actually think it would be the next fight on, you know,

2137
01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:08,240
Speaker 11: in the next main events, that you would look at

2138
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:12,160
Speaker 11: adjusting your score more, because by the next time you

2139
01:39:12,479 --> 01:39:16,000
Speaker 11: read you judge Sean stricken fight, it could be six months,

2140
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:18,439
Speaker 11: it could be a year, you know whatever. Like I

2141
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:21,840
Speaker 11: don't it's an also right, it goes against evering that

2142
01:39:22,280 --> 01:39:24,680
Speaker 11: judges commissions. And I'll talk about because what did they

2143
01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:27,880
Speaker 11: talk about? They talk about fighter A versus fighter B. Right,

2144
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:30,200
Speaker 11: They're not looking at Sean Stricktan, They're not looking at

2145
01:39:30,240 --> 01:39:32,640
Speaker 11: drink a super se and they shouldn't because if you

2146
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:36,680
Speaker 11: bring in any preconceptions with you, you're gonna look at

2147
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:39,680
Speaker 11: a fight differently. And I've spoken to judges about that

2148
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:43,559
Speaker 11: before and it's a massive thing that they avoide and

2149
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:46,720
Speaker 11: they they consciously avoid it. You have to look at

2150
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:48,559
Speaker 11: it down the middle. Because you can go into a

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Speaker 11: fight and you can think, you know, I don't know.

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Speaker 11: An example, Mark Hunt versus JDS right years ago, who

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Speaker 11: hits harder? Right, you could say, okay, maybe Mark seeing

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Speaker 11: you think it's harder, But as the fight went down

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Speaker 11: you can think, actually maybe not, you know JDS actually

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Speaker 11: hits harder. When if you watch the fight with a

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Speaker 11: preconception that Mark Hunt hits harder, you're gonna score every

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Speaker 11: county LANs more. So you can't go in with that preconception.

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Speaker 11: And it's more even like say like a jiu jitsu

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Speaker 11: guy is fighting a striker and next thing jiu jitsu

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Speaker 11: guy start beating up the striker on the feet right right.

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Speaker 11: Sometimes we can go overboard and say, oh, well, he's

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Speaker 11: beat him up on the feet. We thought he was

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Speaker 11: gonna lose and we're gonna score it more. But you

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Speaker 11: can't do that. You have to look at a blue

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Speaker 11: corner versus right corner. You have to look at it

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Speaker 11: fighter A versus fighter B. And the judges do a

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Speaker 11: great job. But I wouldn't. I would not question Salomno

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Speaker 11: at all in that sort of realm. I don't think

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Speaker 11: he has a bias. I also think he is a

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Speaker 11: very and you know him. He's a very strong character.

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Speaker 11: He's the type of guy that will put in the card,

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Speaker 11: everyone will criticize it, and he'll be thinking about it forever.

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Speaker 11: He'll be thinking about the characters. He go back and

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Speaker 11: he'll watch it and you think, is that just the Bible?

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Speaker 11: Is that just the fiable? Is that justifiable? And if

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Speaker 11: you'll it is fair enough, you can move on. You say, Okay,

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Speaker 11: maybe I could do something better with that. In the future.

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Speaker 11: It's not going to be in the future with a

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Speaker 11: Sean Strickland fight. It's going to be in the future

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Speaker 11: with prelim one of the next weekend. Right, felim two

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Speaker 11: of the next weekend made event of the next weekend.

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Speaker 11: So no, I would dismiss that as a.

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Speaker 4: Concert And I do think Sean Strickland is a hard

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Speaker 4: guy to sort of assess. But three split decisions recently

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Speaker 4: for Sean Strickland and Saldiama has been the dissenting judge,

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Speaker 4: disagreeing with his contemporaries in all three of those fights,

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Speaker 4: at least when it came to the final scorecard. All right,

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Speaker 4: two more minutes with Sean Sheen. I know that you

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Speaker 4: feel like the issue is not the criteria, it's the

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Speaker 4: overall knowledge and understanding of it. But if you could

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Speaker 4: change one thing in MMA judging or scoring, would there

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Speaker 4: be one thing.

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Speaker 3: I would take away? Well, there be a couple of things.

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Speaker 11: I would take away the first two parts of the criteria.

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Speaker 11: I take away the actica and control. I take away

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Speaker 11: the effective aggressiveness, and I just have I just have

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Speaker 11: an impact on simplify it. I know a lot of

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Speaker 11: people want to add more things onto criteria. I'd make

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Speaker 11: it a lot simpler because the problem with the criteria

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Speaker 11: is right, you could add on one hundred pages and

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Speaker 11: it still wouldn't give you every little intricacy like you

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Speaker 11: could add on one hundred pages and you in that

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Speaker 11: hundred pages. I guarantee you, if there was a criteria

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Speaker 11: written with every little intricacy, you would not have a

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Speaker 11: written line that would tell you exactly what to do

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Speaker 11: in the Arnold Allen knees to behave situation, You wouldn't

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Speaker 11: have it. So you have to have And I actually

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Speaker 11: spoke to a judge today who had an exact who

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Speaker 11: had the exact same thing happened in a fight recently,

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Speaker 11: and he said there was an absolute nightmare because the.

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Speaker 3: Referee stopped them, assessed them. And this was in a

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Speaker 3: car that was it was let's put it this way.

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Speaker 11: It wasn't in an English speaking region and didn't have

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Speaker 11: an English speaking referee, so.

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Speaker 3: From his mind, the referee didn't even warn the fighter.

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Speaker 3: So you just score the knees.

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Speaker 11: Even though they looked completely illegal. So Mark Goddard earned

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Speaker 11: Aaron Lellen. So you don't score then ease. But if

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Speaker 11: someone doesn't warn the fighter, scored because they're not legal.

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Speaker 11: So but to know that situation, have been in that

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Speaker 11: situation before, to be aware of it, it's it's absolutely massive,

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Speaker 11: Like there's certain judges that have never scored an incompete round,

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Speaker 11: so you know it goes to the tour round someone

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01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:24,559
Speaker 11: catches in illegally and a course to the cards scored

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Speaker 11: ten seconds of it. We saw with over in PFL

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Speaker 11: with the the Brendan Lachman Royo as Youakuldo fight last

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Speaker 11: year that I'm sure you were calling Kenny like, how

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Speaker 11: many judges have had to score an incompete round like that?

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Speaker 11: For it doesn't happen that often. So we put in

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Speaker 11: that situation to do it that. Now that is written

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Speaker 11: in the criteria, but in that look and here's the

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Speaker 11: example of though, that's the exact sort of situation where

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Speaker 11: octagon control and aggressive effective aggressiveness are in the criteria

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Speaker 11: because it's ten to fifteen seconds.

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Speaker 9: You use that, Yeah, shure, Sean, you it would be

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Speaker 9: that over the amount of blood in a round.

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Speaker 3: Uh criteria. I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to get you. I've found enough on Twitter.

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Speaker 11: In fairness you're like you you know you tried your best.

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01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:19,760
Speaker 3: Hilarious as do I literally.

2243
01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:24,679
Speaker 9: See John and Sean in my eyes like it's short

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01:44:24,760 --> 01:44:25,879
Speaker 9: circuiting their brains.

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Speaker 4: It's really not my habitual nature to correct anyone, especially

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Speaker 4: a former world champion. Even earlier when we were talking

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01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:35,040
Speaker 4: today about UFC three hundred and Kenny said eleven months

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01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:37,160
Speaker 4: instead of eleven weeks. I didn't correct him because it's

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01:44:37,160 --> 01:44:39,680
Speaker 4: not my nature, you know what I mean. So not

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Speaker 4: to throw you under the bus now, but no, And

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Speaker 4: there was some communication with my producers at Candido on talkback,

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01:44:45,439 --> 01:44:47,559
Speaker 4: and uh just decided to sort of get in there

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01:44:47,560 --> 01:44:50,880
Speaker 4: a little bit. But yeah, I mean I think some people,

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01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:55,840
Speaker 4: uh just there's this stubbornness with with me with dom there.

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Speaker 4: It is what it is, But I think bigger picture, Sean,

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Speaker 4: you're just such a credit and for us, and even

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01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:03,000
Speaker 4: in terms of that situation you were describing with Locke

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01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:05,360
Speaker 4: Nane as a commentator too. You want to go through

2259
01:45:05,400 --> 01:45:07,559
Speaker 4: this stuff right like I can't remember the last time

2260
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:10,800
Speaker 4: we invoke the old rules, and you breaking that news

2261
01:45:10,840 --> 01:45:12,880
Speaker 4: to the play by play guy forty eight hours after

2262
01:45:12,920 --> 01:45:16,360
Speaker 4: the show should be alarming to MMA fans and people

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01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:19,800
Speaker 4: around the world. So well, Sean, we appreciate you more

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01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:24,120
Speaker 4: than anything else. Severe mmas Sean Sheen at Shawn SHEENBA,

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01:45:24,439 --> 01:45:26,080
Speaker 4: don't be a stranger buddy, We'll probably talk to you

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01:45:26,120 --> 01:45:28,759
Speaker 4: in a few weeks. Sincerely, appreciate the overtime today, sir.

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Speaker 3: Thanks guys, appreciate us. Have a good day.

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Speaker 4: Shawn Sheen with us here on the Anakin Florin Podcast

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Speaker 4: and that is going to do it. But rest assured.

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Speaker 4: We are back to continue our UFC two ninety seven

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Speaker 4: recap coming up this very Wednesday. We will talk to

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Speaker 4: Blaal remember the name Muhammad. We will also talk to

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01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:47,080
Speaker 4: Sean Stricklan's chief corner, Eric Nixon. We'll get his thoughts

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01:45:47,080 --> 01:45:49,439
Speaker 4: on the fight with Drake is Due plus C and

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01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:52,200
Speaker 4: continue to talk about everything that was to ninety seven.

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01:45:52,200 --> 01:45:53,920
Speaker 4: We'll give a little bit more shine to Raquel Pennington

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01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:55,960
Speaker 4: and might eat a Bueno Silva as well. But we

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01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:57,439
Speaker 4: got to bounce on out of here. Thank you to

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Speaker 4: everybody for joining us live. Thank you to our guest

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Speaker 4: Drake is Due Plus Frank Edgar Mark, Henry Ray Longo,

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Speaker 4: and Shaun Sheen. Thank you to our producer Cody Merrow.

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01:46:06,120 --> 01:46:08,160
Speaker 4: Thank you to Will Berger, Jason Aik, everybody else behind

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01:46:08,200 --> 01:46:10,320
Speaker 4: the scenes for Kemp Flam John Anick. We will see

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01:46:10,360 --> 01:46:13,160
Speaker 4: you coming up on Wednesday. Right here on the DraftKings

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Speaker 4: YouTube channel. Until then you'll live