WEBVTT - Selects: The Texas City Disaster of 1947

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<v Speaker 1>Hey everyone, it's me Josh. For this week's SYSK Selects.

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<v Speaker 1>I've chosen our episode on the Texas City disaster. In Texas,

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<v Speaker 1>they do everything bigger, including industrial disasters. In this episode

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<v Speaker 1>from March of twenty twenty one, we cover one of

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest explosions in American history, made up of not one,

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<v Speaker 1>but two huge blasts that leveled the refinery poortown of

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<v Speaker 1>Texas City. I hope you find this one as riveting

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<v Speaker 1>as we did.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and there's Jerry over there,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is stuff you should Know.

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<v Speaker 2>I was about to say natural disaster edition, but unnatural

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<v Speaker 2>disaster edition.

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<v Speaker 1>Industrial disaster is what they call these.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, human caused.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, from what I saw what we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about today, the main thing we're talking about today

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<v Speaker 1>is the largest industrial disaster in United States history.

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<v Speaker 2>Still oh still huh?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, what seventy almost seventy five years.

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<v Speaker 2>On Man's sad. This is a big one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, everything about this was really big, but in basically

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<v Speaker 1>all the wrong ways. We're going to talk today about

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<v Speaker 1>a disaster called the Texas City explosion, and sadly you

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<v Speaker 1>might say which one, because there's been multiple massive explosions

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<v Speaker 1>in Texas City. And one of the reasons why is

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<v Speaker 1>because Texas City has made a name for itself as

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<v Speaker 1>one of the premier petrochemical ports in the United States

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<v Speaker 1>and indeed possibly the world. I think it was up

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<v Speaker 1>until World War Two it was like the fourth largest

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<v Speaker 1>port in Texas, but I think since World War Two

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<v Speaker 1>it's grown even more. And I know for a little

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<v Speaker 1>while there, BP had a refinery that was its most

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<v Speaker 1>profitable oil refinery in the world, which is really saying something.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's a big deal. BP's an enormous company

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<v Speaker 1>with multiple refinery so you know, for the biggest one,

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<v Speaker 1>the most profitable one to be in Texas City. That

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<v Speaker 1>kind of put Texas City on the map in some circles.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So Texas City is above the Gulf of Mexico,

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<v Speaker 2>and like you said, it's a port town founded in

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<v Speaker 2>the late eighteen hundreds by some Minnesota hunters and they said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, I think we can set up shop here.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we can dig up a canal, set up

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<v Speaker 2>a rail line. Yeah, we've got some really good deep

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<v Speaker 2>water and we could be a good shipping port.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to know how they, like what conversation led

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<v Speaker 1>to that, Like what hunting trip ends up in you

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<v Speaker 1>basically building a port town in a city that's about

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<v Speaker 1>as far away from your home as you can get

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<v Speaker 1>in the same country.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean there were some real go getters, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess. So they couldn't just kill animals.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, God, So that's what happened to Texas City. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean that's how it was kind of founded. And it

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<v Speaker 2>was a I think refineries, think warehouses and chemical plants.

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<v Speaker 2>World War two comes around and the military, of course says, well,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll be sort of controlling this area for a while

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<v Speaker 2>because it's a pretty valuable port for us, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna ship munitions in and out of here. World War

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<v Speaker 2>two comes and goes, and then after the war, about

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<v Speaker 2>a year and a half after the war, it is

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<v Speaker 2>run by civilians again. And let's just say that it

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<v Speaker 2>was a little more of a relaxed scene than it

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<v Speaker 2>was when the military was running the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the military ran it like a tight ship basically,

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, there's just a big difference between when the

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<v Speaker 1>military is running a port and when a port's run

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<v Speaker 1>by just a whole bunch of different private companies, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying, Minnesota hunters exactly. So that's not

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<v Speaker 1>to say it was just some lucy goosey place or

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<v Speaker 1>anything like that, but just comparatively speaking, And one of

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<v Speaker 1>the other things that Texas City had going against it

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<v Speaker 1>on the morning of April sixteenth, nineteen forty seven, is

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<v Speaker 1>that there weren't really a lot of standards and regulations

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<v Speaker 1>for handling chemicals, and then we didn't have an enormous

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<v Speaker 1>grasp on just how chemicals worked at that time, and

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<v Speaker 1>so all of these things kind of came together. Is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of slightly lax oversight and just kind of much

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<v Speaker 1>more relaxed attitude toward cargo, and then a lack of

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<v Speaker 1>awareness about just what kind of dangers different cargoes pose

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of set things up for to take a

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<v Speaker 1>bad turn.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So on the morning of April sixteenth, there were

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<v Speaker 2>three ships docked in the port, was most notably the

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<v Speaker 2>SS Grand Camp, which was it was it was a

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<v Speaker 2>military ship at one point, but I think we gave

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<v Speaker 2>it to France as like a Hey, sorry, Europe is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of destroyed. Why don't you take this ship and

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<v Speaker 2>just use it for whatever you want to do. And

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<v Speaker 2>it was converted to a cargo ship, yeah, which is

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<v Speaker 2>which it was on the day of April sixteenth, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was beside the SS high Flyer, And that was

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<v Speaker 2>beside the third one named after somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>What was that one, the Robert Keene or the William Keene.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wait a minute, which one was it?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it was the Wilson B Keen even better.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, the Billy Keen as they called it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I believe all three of those were liberty ships, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they were World War Two ships and they were

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<v Speaker 2>I think the SS high Flyer was being fixed at

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<v Speaker 2>the time but was still loaded down with stuff, as

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<v Speaker 2>was the Grand Camp and sort of detail what was

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<v Speaker 2>in the cargo because it's all very very key.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's really important. So for five days leading up

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<v Speaker 1>to April sixteenth, Steve doors I think that's how you

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<v Speaker 1>say it, but basically dock hands. I don't know why

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<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't just say dock hands, you know, but the

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<v Speaker 1>Steve doors Man, I hope I'm saying that correctly, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>They had loaded up the Grand Camp with twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred tons of ammonium nitrate fertilizer, and these were in

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred pound paper sacks, akin to the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>sex that you would buy like Portland cement in these days. Right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there were some other cargo, sisle twine, peanuts, There was

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<v Speaker 1>some machinery, there were some cotton. There was sixteen cases

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<v Speaker 1>of ammunition, I think, like for small arms ammunition. But

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<v Speaker 1>for the most part it was a lot of ammonium nitrate.

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<v Speaker 1>And the same went for the SS high Flyer too,

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<v Speaker 1>which as you said, was in the next berth. It

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<v Speaker 1>was loaded with a thousand tons of ammonium nitrate and

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<v Speaker 1>then also very crucially two thousand tons of sulfur, and

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<v Speaker 1>all of these were also in those same one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>pound paper bags. So at the time, like I was saying,

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<v Speaker 1>people didn't realize like this is this is a it

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<v Speaker 1>was a big deal that there was that much ammonium

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<v Speaker 1>nitrate just sitting around in this port at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a it's a crystal like solid. It's white.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of times it's used for nitrogen for agricultural fertilizer,

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<v Speaker 2>but if you combine it with fuel oils. It can

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<v Speaker 2>be very explosive and actually used for that for like

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<v Speaker 2>mining and construction and stuff like that. But it's not like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if you tap the side of the bag

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to explode. It's pretty safe as long as

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<v Speaker 2>it's all in the up and up and it's being

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<v Speaker 2>stored properly. But if it starts to absorb moisture, then

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<v Speaker 2>it's sort of like Portland cement again, it's just going

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<v Speaker 2>to harden to a block, right, and then if that

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<v Speaker 2>thing is in a solid block, it's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>just a little bit more volatile and a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more dangerous if ignited.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I mean like it's not even considered flammable

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<v Speaker 1>as far as I know, and certainly in nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 1>seven it wasn't considered flammable because if you walked up

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<v Speaker 1>to some of this ammonium nitrate these pellets and just

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<v Speaker 1>held a lighter to them, they wouldn't catch fire. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not really what they do. What they do is they

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<v Speaker 1>oxidize things. They basically create free radicals, like we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about in the free Radical episode, which sets off like

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<v Speaker 1>a chain reaction, and because they oxidize, they concentrate and

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<v Speaker 1>condense and produce basically oxygen where it was an otherwise present.

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<v Speaker 1>When when that that is combined with the fire, it

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<v Speaker 1>makes a big time fire. So that's bad enough, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you set them off like it'll it'll combust,

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<v Speaker 1>or it'll help something else combust more efficiently and more

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<v Speaker 1>more at a higher temperature. But the problem, the big

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<v Speaker 1>problem with ammonium nitrate is there is a point where

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<v Speaker 1>it can reach a high enough heat that it itself

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<v Speaker 1>decays and degrades, and when that happens, it splits into

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<v Speaker 1>two gases, nitrous oxide and water vapor, which you're like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's great. You know, you just get super duper

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<v Speaker 1>high off of one and the other one just makes

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<v Speaker 1>you a little moist. Maybe so, maybe so in small

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<v Speaker 1>enough amounts. But when this happens in a large enough amount,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when this ammonium nitrate is in one big melted block,

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<v Speaker 1>the chain reaction can happen much more efficiently. And when

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<v Speaker 1>those gases are are produced, when the thing decays and separates,

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<v Speaker 1>they expand really quickly, and that produces an explosion. And

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<v Speaker 1>the force is the energy that's released from an explosion

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<v Speaker 1>of ammonium nitrate decaying and converting into nitros oxide and

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<v Speaker 1>water vapor is monumental, like compared to atomic bomb blast. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>if you have enough of it, say twenty three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>tons and a thousand tons and a couple of ships

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<v Speaker 1>to sitting in port.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, that's a great place for cliffhanger.

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<v Speaker 1>I think. I think so too.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, we'll be right back after this. All right.

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<v Speaker 2>So this stuff, the cargo arrived by train to Texas City,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was probably already heating up a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>on this train and maybe already getting to the point

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<v Speaker 2>where it was a little i don't know about unstable,

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<v Speaker 2>but volatile at least. And the it gets transferred to

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<v Speaker 2>the ship, it continues to sort of heat up, and

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<v Speaker 2>the crew and everything, like you said, there wasn't a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of awareness about kind of anything like this at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, So to them it was just another cargo hold.

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<v Speaker 2>They might have said, like, you know, be careful with

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff, guys, or maybe not even that, Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>they definitely didn't know, like heat bad for this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they said, you owe me two bucks from lunch yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what they said when they were loading this up.

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<v Speaker 2>So around eight am in the morning, these workers there

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<v Speaker 2>started noticing that there was smoke in vapors coming out

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<v Speaker 2>of the ship. So there was some kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>fire going on. No one knew how it started or

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<v Speaker 2>what happened. There are some people anecdotally to say it

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<v Speaker 2>was a cigarette, was not in the could have been

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<v Speaker 2>that wasn't in the official report, which also wouldn't be surprising.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what I saw I saw it later on Chuck

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<v Speaker 1>that the fact that these things were in those paper sacks,

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<v Speaker 1>that if they were heating up, they were just going

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<v Speaker 1>to continue to heat up. Being packed tightly in the

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<v Speaker 1>hold of this unventilated ship, they were just going to

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<v Speaker 1>get warm and warmer. And it's possible they that the

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<v Speaker 1>ammonium nitrate caused the paper sack to combust, catch fire,

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<v Speaker 1>spread to other paper sacks, and then you had a

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<v Speaker 1>positive feedback loop where it just kept getting The fire

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<v Speaker 1>kept getting bigger and bigger, and crucially very important, hotter

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<v Speaker 1>and hotter.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So the captain sees this happening. There are people

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<v Speaker 2>kind of pouring in and looking around at what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>The captain says, batten down these hatches, pull theice tarps

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<v Speaker 2>over him, and start pumping steam in there, which apparently

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<v Speaker 2>was a method at the time to put out a

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<v Speaker 2>fire on a ship when you didn't want to ruin

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<v Speaker 2>the cargo, as opposed to just blasting it with a

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<v Speaker 2>fire hose, which would cause all this stuff to just

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<v Speaker 2>brick up like Portland cement. He starts pumping steam in there,

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<v Speaker 2>and that just started heating. You know, everyone knows steam

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<v Speaker 2>is going to heat up, So that just started and

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<v Speaker 2>the moisture made a bad situation a lot worse really quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I get the impression that had The captain's name

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<v Speaker 1>was Captain Charles de Guiabon. He had he made the

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<v Speaker 1>decision to just go ahead and let the cargo be

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<v Speaker 1>ruined and have the fire put out with fire hoses.

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<v Speaker 1>This all might never have happened, but it was. And

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I understand where he was coming from. He

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to ruin the cargo if he didn't have to,

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<v Speaker 1>because steaming out of fire aboard a ship was an

0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:35.720
<v Speaker 1>accepted firefighting technique. It works, and it could conceivably save

0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:38.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the cargo. So it's not like he

0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:42.839
<v Speaker 1>just made this ridiculous, stupid mistake. It's just in hindsight,

0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:46.520
<v Speaker 1>it was probably the decision that led to this catastrophe.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I think more than anything, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>you said, it was the time when there was not

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<v Speaker 2>much regulation and sort of in the dawning of the

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<v Speaker 2>chemical age, people just didn't know right.

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<v Speaker 1>And Plus also at the time, Texas City had a

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<v Speaker 1>volunteer fire department, which I would guess wouldn't have quite

0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:08.040
<v Speaker 1>as much jurisdiction and could be told by a captain

0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:10.480
<v Speaker 1>like no, no, no, I just go away, like I'm

0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:13.319
<v Speaker 1>going to handle this myself, rather than being like, no,

0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:16.120
<v Speaker 1>we're going to put the fire out on your ship.

0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:20.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a good point. So the steam is making

0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:25.680
<v Speaker 2>things worse. It pumped into the holds and everything's heating up.

0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:28.360
<v Speaker 2>Everything's getting moist and like we said, moisture is no

0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:31.320
<v Speaker 2>good for this stuff, and it did. It started to

0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:34.400
<v Speaker 2>convert to these solid masses and you know, there's going

0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:36.400
<v Speaker 2>to be gas releasing and it's building up all this

0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:39.120
<v Speaker 2>pressure because they had battened down the hatches and covered

0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:41.640
<v Speaker 2>them with tarps, and it so much so that it

0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:43.680
<v Speaker 2>blew these hatch covers off at about eight thirty in

0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:44.080
<v Speaker 2>the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy. Just that alone would have been spectacular and

0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:52.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it was. But when those hatches blew off,

0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:54.960
<v Speaker 1>all the smoke that had been kind of stuck in

0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:59.160
<v Speaker 1>the hole inside the ship started billowing out. And the

0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:02.640
<v Speaker 1>thing apparently about ammonium nitrate burning is it produces really

0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:07.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of mesmerizing colored smoke. From one of the witnesses,

0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:11.320
<v Speaker 1>it was apparently salmon orange and purple. And so this

0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:15.600
<v Speaker 1>smoke coming out of it started to attract people like

0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:18.600
<v Speaker 1>onlookers who were like, what's going on. I want to

0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:21.720
<v Speaker 1>go see this giant, weird fire that's going on down

0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:25.880
<v Speaker 1>at the port, And something like three hundred people, including

0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:31.120
<v Speaker 1>entire families, kids from the local school came over. All

0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:32.880
<v Speaker 1>sorts of people just kind of stopped what they were

0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:35.680
<v Speaker 1>doing and came to watch this weird fire at the port.

0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:40.320
<v Speaker 1>And apparently KGBC out of Galveston, which is just ten

0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:43.760
<v Speaker 1>miles down the coast out in the Gulf of Mexico.

0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:47.000
<v Speaker 1>They were warning people to stay away, but apparently that

0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:50.320
<v Speaker 1>just alerted more people that there was something going on

0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:52.800
<v Speaker 1>who went down to go check it out themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they knew that there was a big problem.

0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:58.800
<v Speaker 2>At this point. They did call the firefighters in and

0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:00.920
<v Speaker 2>the tugboat to maybe try and get that thing out

0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:04.320
<v Speaker 2>of there. And at this point, like you said, the

0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.360
<v Speaker 2>heat was just so great that even a fire hose

0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:09.320
<v Speaker 2>isn't going to do much. It's kind of just vaporizing

0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:11.200
<v Speaker 2>when it hits it. Yeah, that's crazy because of the

0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:14.440
<v Speaker 2>massive amounts of heat. And then you know, this whole

0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:16.400
<v Speaker 2>thing started at eight At eight thirty is when the

0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:21.760
<v Speaker 2>hatches blew, and then at nine to twelve the thing exploded.

0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:24.840
<v Speaker 2>And we're going to kind of list through a pretty

0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:31.840
<v Speaker 2>horrifying list of impacts from like distances, like a seismograph

0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:35.160
<v Speaker 2>in Denver, Colorado picked up this explosion.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and this is again in the southernmost part of Texas, right.

0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like they felt it in Louisiana, you know, like

0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:49.640
<v Speaker 2>three thousand foot fire bombs and cargo flying up in

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<v Speaker 2>the air.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, the enormous amount of energy that I was

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<v Speaker 1>talking about that was released by this twenty three hundred

0:16:55.480 --> 0:17:00.280
<v Speaker 1>tons of ammonium nitrate in retrospect, I think as been

0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:04.080
<v Speaker 1>the I saw it compared to a two point seven

0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:09.359
<v Speaker 1>kiloton blast, which would put this blast of this ship

0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:12.200
<v Speaker 1>blowing up at somewhere on the order of about one

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<v Speaker 1>third no, I'm sorry, one fifth of the Hiroshima nuclear

0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:21.439
<v Speaker 1>bomb which just completely leveled that city. This was about

0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:25.280
<v Speaker 1>a fifth that size, so it was still a really substantial,

0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:28.040
<v Speaker 1>enormous blast. And one of the first effects that had

0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:31.320
<v Speaker 1>is that it blew this Liberty ship, this huge World

0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:35.000
<v Speaker 1>War Two era cargo ship, a couple thousand feet into

0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:40.040
<v Speaker 1>the air in multiple pieces to just shower out downward

0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:45.359
<v Speaker 1>as hot metal shrapnel onto the surrounding city. And that's

0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:48.480
<v Speaker 1>not accounting for the shrapnel that immediately blew outward as

0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:53.440
<v Speaker 1>those gases expand expanded right into all of those onlookers

0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:55.560
<v Speaker 1>and the people who are fighting the fire around the port.

0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there was They had a couple of two ton anchors.

0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:01.840
<v Speaker 2>One of those went about a mile and a half

0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:05.760
<v Speaker 2>away in the air. Like we said, you could feel

0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:09.320
<v Speaker 2>it in Louisiana. There was a Monsanto and a Union Carbide,

0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:12.199
<v Speaker 2>two different chemical plants kind of right beside it. They

0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:15.080
<v Speaker 2>were just flattened, basically just not even there anymore.

0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:17.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I saw that one of the warehouse's Warehouse zero

0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:19.800
<v Speaker 1>at the port, which is I think the one that

0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:24.080
<v Speaker 1>was closest to the ship. This historian from Houston, I

0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:26.879
<v Speaker 1>think said that it just disappeared like it was just gone,

0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.520
<v Speaker 1>like it wasn't there any longer. Like the word disintegrate

0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.600
<v Speaker 1>works in a lot of the instances when you're describing

0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.240
<v Speaker 1>what happened to a lot of the structures and people

0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:38.280
<v Speaker 1>who were around this blast.

0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:41.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I mean that's the obvious thing. You know,

0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:44.399
<v Speaker 2>there were hundreds of onlookers, there were people that worked there,

0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:47.360
<v Speaker 2>There were all twenty eight members of the fire department.

0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:51.560
<v Speaker 2>They were all killed basically instantly. Anyone within that zone

0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:56.439
<v Speaker 2>was killed instantly. Some people, like you said, just not

0:18:56.640 --> 0:19:00.240
<v Speaker 2>even able to recover enough body parts to add enough

0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:01.160
<v Speaker 2>i humans at that point.

0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:03.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that proved to be a real problem. So, like,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, the fact that the entire fire department

0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:10.000
<v Speaker 1>apparently one There was one survivor from the fire department,

0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:11.640
<v Speaker 1>but he was out of town at the time, That's

0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:14.080
<v Speaker 1>why he survived. But the whole fire department and all

0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:17.320
<v Speaker 1>of their equipment was immediately wiped out. One of the

0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.200
<v Speaker 1>problems was with an explosion like this in a place

0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:23.679
<v Speaker 1>like this is that it ruptures lines and pipes and

0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:28.000
<v Speaker 1>all of those petrochemicals that are being refined suddenly catch fire.

0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:30.760
<v Speaker 1>So now you have these out of control fires in

0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:34.560
<v Speaker 1>the buildings and structures that are left standing and you

0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:37.120
<v Speaker 1>no longer have a fire department or any fire equipment

0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:39.040
<v Speaker 1>to put it out for a little while. So the

0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:44.760
<v Speaker 1>immediate impact outside of the blast was also the fires

0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:48.720
<v Speaker 1>that were lit just right after this too.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean you've got you know, you've got the

0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:55.320
<v Speaker 2>metal shrapnel, but then you've also remember there were peanuts

0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:57.680
<v Speaker 2>and twine and cotton and all this stuff. So that's

0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:02.560
<v Speaker 2>these are like fireballs being launched, basically starting fires all

0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:05.159
<v Speaker 2>over the place. It wasn't just in the immediate area.

0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:08.040
<v Speaker 2>And like you said, because the fire department was then

0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:10.719
<v Speaker 2>out of commission's that's real trouble.

0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:14.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So it took a little while for more aid

0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:17.800
<v Speaker 1>to show up. But apparently this explosion was so bad

0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:22.160
<v Speaker 1>and the catastrophe was so great the Army, Navy, Coastguard, Marines,

0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:27.200
<v Speaker 1>Texas National Guard, and then firefighters from surrounding cities all

0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:29.919
<v Speaker 1>came out to help man. And this wasn't just like

0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:33.520
<v Speaker 1>putting this chemical fire out, but also like trying to

0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:37.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, rescue people from rubble. Like there's really a

0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:40.480
<v Speaker 1>lot that we could sit here and say, but if

0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:43.520
<v Speaker 1>you have a computer in front of you, like just

0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:47.439
<v Speaker 1>look up pictures from the Texas City explosion of nineteen

0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:53.720
<v Speaker 1>forty seven. It's just unreal what happened to like enormous

0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:57.280
<v Speaker 1>steel buildings just turned into like twisted metal. And this

0:20:57.440 --> 0:20:59.440
<v Speaker 1>is like, you know, the middle of a work day.

0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:03.320
<v Speaker 1>So there were people trapped all over the place in

0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:08.439
<v Speaker 1>this debris. So there was a huge rescue operation that

0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:12.119
<v Speaker 1>had to start, but it was delayed because most of

0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:14.160
<v Speaker 1>the people who were tasked with that kind of thing

0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:17.000
<v Speaker 1>had all been killed in the initial blast.

0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:21.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So remember earlier we said that there were three

0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:26.639
<v Speaker 2>ships there. This one blows up, and obviously, you know

0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:29.840
<v Speaker 2>it's a full on like nine to eleven seen at

0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:33.840
<v Speaker 2>this point, with just how chaotic it is, people are

0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:38.200
<v Speaker 2>not noticing that right next door, the SS High Flyer

0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:42.480
<v Speaker 2>also remember, was loaded with this stuff and also with

0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:46.400
<v Speaker 2>sulfur which makes it become unstable, and this thing had

0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:49.679
<v Speaker 2>been unlodged. I mean, I'm surprised. It's just the integrity

0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:52.760
<v Speaker 2>of these ships is the only reason that those weren't

0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:55.399
<v Speaker 2>just blown to bits too. Like it was kind of

0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:58.600
<v Speaker 2>right next to it and it was still intact at least,

0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:01.760
<v Speaker 2>and it was from its mooring zoe and drifted over

0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:05.360
<v Speaker 2>and kind of attached itself to the Wilson be Kin,

0:22:05.880 --> 0:22:09.399
<v Speaker 2>which was again in the slip next to it, and

0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:12.000
<v Speaker 2>I think there were some crew members aboard in there

0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:15.240
<v Speaker 2>that I guess were just protected by that thick steel.

0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:17.640
<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, from what I understand, And.

0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:19.159
<v Speaker 2>They were kind of still doing their things for a.

0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:22.399
<v Speaker 1>Little while, and they were finally because the High Flyer

0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:25.880
<v Speaker 1>caught fire as well, they were finally forced out by

0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:29.679
<v Speaker 1>the smoke. Because this is some noxious, noxious smoke. This

0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:32.280
<v Speaker 1>isn't I mean, this isn't just like wood burning smoke.

0:22:32.359 --> 0:22:34.880
<v Speaker 1>This is some really bad chemical smoke that can mess

0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:37.520
<v Speaker 1>you up. It's crazy that these sailors stayed aboard for

0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:40.359
<v Speaker 1>an hour but they're finally forced off a ship. But

0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:43.160
<v Speaker 1>they tell people like, hey, this is on fire. Eybody's

0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:45.760
<v Speaker 1>like have you seen the other problems we have over here?

0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:50.720
<v Speaker 1>And the fire apartment just got basically vaporized. So the

0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:54.520
<v Speaker 1>fire was allowed to continue on the high Fire for hours,

0:22:54.880 --> 0:22:57.480
<v Speaker 1>hours and hours like that. Blast happened at nine to

0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:02.040
<v Speaker 1>twelve am, and it wasn't until the afternoon that somebody

0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:07.560
<v Speaker 1>else rediscovered the fire aboard the High Flyer and started

0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:11.840
<v Speaker 1>to kind of like raise the alarm about this. Still

0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:15.080
<v Speaker 1>this is such a chaotic scene that there wasn't anything

0:23:15.119 --> 0:23:18.320
<v Speaker 1>immediately done about it, and it wasn't until eleven PM

0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:21.159
<v Speaker 1>that they're finally like, oh, this is a really this

0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:23.000
<v Speaker 1>is a bad jam because not only do we have

0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:27.399
<v Speaker 1>a thousand tons tons of ammonium nitrate aboard the high Flyer,

0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:29.680
<v Speaker 1>there's that sulfur you mentioned, chuck, and like you said,

0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:32.399
<v Speaker 1>it makes it even more unstable. And that you know

0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:38.760
<v Speaker 1>how ammonium nitrate oxidizes things. Sulfur is like food to

0:23:38.840 --> 0:23:42.720
<v Speaker 1>that stuff is it oxidizes sulfur. It's just like piling

0:23:42.800 --> 0:23:47.960
<v Speaker 1>on this oxidizing fuel to make the blast even more

0:23:48.280 --> 0:23:52.240
<v Speaker 1>energetic soul. It would be a really big problem if

0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:54.600
<v Speaker 1>the high Flyer blew up. So they brought in some

0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:57.879
<v Speaker 1>tugboats in a fireboat I think from Galveston, and started

0:23:57.880 --> 0:24:00.800
<v Speaker 1>to try to take it out of the berth to

0:24:00.840 --> 0:24:02.680
<v Speaker 1>tug it out to sea to let it like burn

0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:04.440
<v Speaker 1>out or blow up or whatever it was going to do.

0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:08.840
<v Speaker 1>But I guess it was stuck so fast that that

0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:10.879
<v Speaker 1>they couldn't get it out.

0:24:11.640 --> 0:24:13.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I guess, you know, this thing was

0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:17.080
<v Speaker 2>not I guess just sort of wedged in there from

0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:20.560
<v Speaker 2>that first explosion, and I think they worked on it

0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:22.800
<v Speaker 2>for a couple of hours. They started at about eleven

0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:27.480
<v Speaker 2>PM and then it looks like by one am they

0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:31.800
<v Speaker 2>had stopped that process. And at one ten, and this

0:24:31.840 --> 0:24:34.159
<v Speaker 2>is now on April seventeenth, you know, early next morning,

0:24:35.760 --> 0:24:38.920
<v Speaker 2>the high Flyer exploded as well, and this was even

0:24:38.960 --> 0:24:42.840
<v Speaker 2>more violent. The only I mean, it's not a saving

0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:45.320
<v Speaker 2>grace at all, because everything was already leveled. But the

0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:48.160
<v Speaker 2>only reason it didn't cause more death and more destruction,

0:24:49.000 --> 0:24:52.080
<v Speaker 2>sadly is because everything was already destroyed and most people

0:24:52.080 --> 0:24:52.960
<v Speaker 2>were already dead.

0:24:53.080 --> 0:24:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and plus also they knew enough by this time

0:24:56.040 --> 0:24:58.160
<v Speaker 1>that they needed to clear the area that there wasn't

0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:00.720
<v Speaker 1>anything they could do, so everybody who was working in

0:25:00.760 --> 0:25:05.400
<v Speaker 1>the rescue operation was told to leave. So I don't

0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:07.600
<v Speaker 1>know if there were any more deaths from the high

0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:10.640
<v Speaker 1>Flyer blowing up. But the problem was is that any

0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:13.679
<v Speaker 1>fires that might have been put out or relt and

0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:16.320
<v Speaker 1>other structures that may have been spared from the initial

0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:20.040
<v Speaker 1>blast were now leveled or caught fire or both. So

0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:22.680
<v Speaker 1>it was a big problem that the high Flyer blew

0:25:22.760 --> 0:25:23.439
<v Speaker 1>up as well.

0:25:24.280 --> 0:25:26.400
<v Speaker 2>You think it sunk the Wilson Kinge too.

0:25:26.440 --> 0:25:30.800
<v Speaker 1>It did it sunk it and it was Yeah. I

0:25:30.800 --> 0:25:33.760
<v Speaker 1>can only imagine too. Also, if you survived that first one,

0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:36.800
<v Speaker 1>to have another blast like that, even what you were

0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:39.439
<v Speaker 1>away from and you knew was coming, would just do

0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:42.000
<v Speaker 1>something to the nerves that would be really difficult to

0:25:42.040 --> 0:25:45.320
<v Speaker 1>recover from. Yeah, for sure, you want to take a break.

0:25:45.720 --> 0:25:47.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'll take a little break and we'll talk about

0:25:47.680 --> 0:25:50.120
<v Speaker 2>sort of the results of the devastation and a couple

0:25:50.119 --> 0:25:51.399
<v Speaker 2>of other incidents right after this.

0:26:20.920 --> 0:26:24.439
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so Chuck. One thing that we didn't say was

0:26:24.480 --> 0:26:30.560
<v Speaker 1>that the initial explosion by the Grand Camp created like

0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:37.359
<v Speaker 1>a fifteen foot title wave that washed inland and people

0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:42.000
<v Speaker 1>died almost in creative ways in this disaster, And one

0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:46.800
<v Speaker 1>of those ways was those petrochemicals. I think there was

0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:49.960
<v Speaker 1>a molasses refinery that started to get mixed in that

0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:54.000
<v Speaker 1>kept the petrochemicals burning in the water when it mixed

0:26:54.040 --> 0:26:58.800
<v Speaker 1>with them. When this title wave blew out. When it

0:26:58.840 --> 0:27:00.960
<v Speaker 1>blew in, I'm sorry, it was on fire. So it

0:27:01.040 --> 0:27:03.960
<v Speaker 1>actually caught people on fire. It caught people on fire

0:27:04.000 --> 0:27:06.280
<v Speaker 1>on the way back out to sea, and people who'd

0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:09.120
<v Speaker 1>survived the initial blasts were actually swept out and drowned

0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:13.040
<v Speaker 1>from this too. There were people who died in airplanes

0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:15.359
<v Speaker 1>that had come around to kind of circle the area

0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:20.000
<v Speaker 1>and were blown out of the sky. There were people

0:27:20.000 --> 0:27:23.480
<v Speaker 1>who died in buildings that collapsed. There were people who

0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:26.359
<v Speaker 1>died from shrapnel falling out of the sky and killing

0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:29.439
<v Speaker 1>them even though they were miles away. Like, there was

0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:33.560
<v Speaker 1>so much death and destruction that it's really difficult to

0:27:33.600 --> 0:27:36.840
<v Speaker 1>get across what happened to this poor little port city

0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:41.200
<v Speaker 1>that hadn't done anything to anybody, that just suddenly blew up.

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in the end, the official death all was close

0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:49.879
<v Speaker 2>to six hundred, five hundred and eighty one people, one

0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:54.240
<v Speaker 2>hundred and thirteen of which were just vaporized. No trace

0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:59.159
<v Speaker 2>was ever found of one hundred and thirteen people. Casualties

0:27:59.280 --> 0:28:02.680
<v Speaker 2>up to five The numbers kind of vary, but anywhere

0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:05.840
<v Speaker 2>from thirty five hundred to five thousand. And you know,

0:28:05.880 --> 0:28:08.440
<v Speaker 2>Texas City was not a very big place. It was

0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:12.480
<v Speaker 2>about sixteen thousand strong, So this was just devastating to

0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:16.640
<v Speaker 2>the city into the region. It took about a week

0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:19.840
<v Speaker 2>to put out all these fires, and I think a

0:28:19.920 --> 0:28:25.359
<v Speaker 2>full month plus to recover whatever bodies they could recover

0:28:25.440 --> 0:28:25.880
<v Speaker 2>at that point.

0:28:26.000 --> 0:28:31.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the final body wasn't found until mid May. There

0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:35.640
<v Speaker 1>was there were people who were never like you said,

0:28:35.680 --> 0:28:39.320
<v Speaker 1>accounted for, there were there were The converse of that

0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:42.040
<v Speaker 1>was true too, there were parts of people that were

0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:47.240
<v Speaker 1>never identified. And one of the accounts that I read

0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:50.560
<v Speaker 1>was like I was saying, was written by I think

0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 1>a University of Houston historian named Cheryl Lawers dwarf Ross

0:28:58.000 --> 0:29:03.280
<v Speaker 1>in the in the Journal Houston History. But she recounts

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:07.760
<v Speaker 1>somebody mentioning a woman who was trying to identify her

0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:11.200
<v Speaker 1>husband who is lost in the disaster, and she had

0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:14.160
<v Speaker 1>to sort through hands. They had a collection of hands

0:29:14.880 --> 0:29:17.840
<v Speaker 1>that this woman was trying to figure out which one

0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:21.800
<v Speaker 1>belonged to her husband. And like, that's just nuts to hear.

0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:24.400
<v Speaker 1>But if you can even begin to put yourself into

0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:26.000
<v Speaker 1>that woman's shoes.

0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:28.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the reality of that, yes, of being in.

0:29:28.040 --> 0:29:30.360
<v Speaker 1>That room, of like looking at different hands, and then

0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 1>also not just the horror of that, of having to

0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:35.680
<v Speaker 1>look through body parts that may or may not be

0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:38.479
<v Speaker 1>your husband's, but then the self doubt, like is that

0:29:38.600 --> 0:29:41.400
<v Speaker 1>my husband's hand, Like I don't remember what it looked like,

0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:44.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, like that just your mind messing with you.

0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:48.800
<v Speaker 1>On top of the horrific experience that you're already undergoing.

0:29:49.080 --> 0:29:51.640
<v Speaker 1>But she was one of many because something like sixty

0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:58.880
<v Speaker 1>one people I believe were interred without being identified, but

0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:05.360
<v Speaker 1>there remains were kind of assembled and put together in

0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:08.520
<v Speaker 1>a memorial service that was attended by something like thousands

0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:11.720
<v Speaker 1>of people, I believe, So, Chuck, So if there was

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:14.920
<v Speaker 1>sixteen thousand people and that many people were hurt or

0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:18.680
<v Speaker 1>killed by this blast, you can imagine how quickly this

0:30:18.720 --> 0:30:21.880
<v Speaker 1>little town was overwhelmed with all these casualties. And so

0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:24.120
<v Speaker 1>they were getting people like every which way, trucking them

0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:26.840
<v Speaker 1>over to Galveston, like getting them wherever they could, whatever

0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:29.680
<v Speaker 1>hospital they could find. But very quickly the high school

0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:32.440
<v Speaker 1>gym was taken over to serve as a field hospital,

0:30:32.680 --> 0:30:35.640
<v Speaker 1>and then shortly after that the morgue. And one of

0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:38.360
<v Speaker 1>the stories that stuck out to me was the boy

0:30:38.400 --> 0:30:41.320
<v Speaker 1>Scouts were pressed into service to basically help out however

0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:45.440
<v Speaker 1>they could. And these poor little like teenage and preteen

0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:50.120
<v Speaker 1>Scouts are like working in this makeshift morgue in their

0:30:50.240 --> 0:30:53.480
<v Speaker 1>high school gym. Like, imagine the impression that had on

0:30:53.520 --> 0:30:56.480
<v Speaker 1>them the rest of their life. You know, jeez, I know,

0:30:56.600 --> 0:30:58.959
<v Speaker 1>isn't that crazy? Like every aspect of this story is

0:30:59.080 --> 0:30:59.880
<v Speaker 1>just nuts.

0:31:00.200 --> 0:31:03.520
<v Speaker 2>It's very sad. Yeah, and of course the financial loss

0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:07.920
<v Speaker 2>was huge, about one hundred million dollars in property loss,

0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:12.760
<v Speaker 2>five hundred million in loss petroleum products, and that's about

0:31:13.000 --> 0:31:17.120
<v Speaker 2>seven hundred million and three point five billion in today dollars.

0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:22.120
<v Speaker 2>I think there is sort of buried beneath the berms

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:26.760
<v Speaker 2>there as a memorial park where sixty three unidentified victims

0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:27.240
<v Speaker 2>are buried.

0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:28.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what I was talking about.

0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:31.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there's that anchor that we talked about. I

0:31:31.520 --> 0:31:33.040
<v Speaker 2>don't know if it was the one that actually blew

0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:35.360
<v Speaker 2>the mile and a half away, but at least one

0:31:35.400 --> 0:31:39.680
<v Speaker 2>of the anchors is a monument at the park, along

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:43.080
<v Speaker 2>with a scarred propeller from the high flyer at the

0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 2>entrance to the port there at Texas City.

0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So that funeral procession that they had that attracted

0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:52.680
<v Speaker 1>I think something like five thousand mourners was a real

0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:58.360
<v Speaker 1>like community effort. There was something like fifty plus funeral

0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:02.200
<v Speaker 1>homes from twenty eight different city that all participated, and

0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:06.600
<v Speaker 1>each of these sixty three unidentified people were there. Remains,

0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:08.960
<v Speaker 1>as you say, were put in their own individual caskets

0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:11.880
<v Speaker 1>and buried in the memorial park, which is still you

0:32:11.920 --> 0:32:14.120
<v Speaker 1>know there that park is still there with the anchor

0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:18.880
<v Speaker 1>and everything, but it was It's just it's such an enormous,

0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:23.280
<v Speaker 1>weird catastrophe and just such a devastating thing, especially looking

0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:26.040
<v Speaker 1>back seventy years to read about. But when you do

0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:27.520
<v Speaker 1>read about it, if you can just kind of put

0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:30.000
<v Speaker 1>yourself in mind of what that was like, of you know,

0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:35.440
<v Speaker 1>trying to recover from that, it's astounding that Texas City

0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:39.120
<v Speaker 1>did recover. A lot of people moved and just said

0:32:39.200 --> 0:32:41.600
<v Speaker 1>not only like, do I think the city's never going

0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:43.200
<v Speaker 1>to come back from this? I don't know if I

0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:45.880
<v Speaker 1>can come back from this, But the city actually did

0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:49.120
<v Speaker 1>come back, and they did build back from what I understand,

0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:52.320
<v Speaker 1>even bigger than before, which is how that BP refinery

0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:54.920
<v Speaker 1>that ended up blowing up that became the most profitable

0:32:54.920 --> 0:32:59.720
<v Speaker 1>in VP's entire company because the city built back even

0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:00.640
<v Speaker 1>better them before.

0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:02.680
<v Speaker 2>That's great.

0:33:02.880 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 1>It is great.

0:33:03.480 --> 0:33:06.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean not great that it exploded again in two

0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:09.440
<v Speaker 2>thousand and five, obviously, but great that they had to

0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:11.560
<v Speaker 2>stick to it and it's to come back as a city.

0:33:12.280 --> 0:33:14.719
<v Speaker 2>So you know, obviously following something like this, there's going

0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:17.920
<v Speaker 2>to be a lot more regulation going on. The US

0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:20.000
<v Speaker 2>is going to step up federally and say, hey, wait

0:33:20.000 --> 0:33:21.960
<v Speaker 2>a minute, we really need to take a look at

0:33:22.000 --> 0:33:24.640
<v Speaker 2>how we're handling these chemicals, how we're storing these things,

0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:28.320
<v Speaker 2>how we're shipping these things. And a lot of changes

0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:31.280
<v Speaker 2>were made here and around the world. But it's not

0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:34.440
<v Speaker 2>to say that that completely prevented this from happening again,

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:38.560
<v Speaker 2>because in Beirut just last year, in August of twenty twenty,

0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:42.760
<v Speaker 2>there was another big cargo of ammonium nitrate that had

0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:45.800
<v Speaker 2>been sitting in a warehouse for seven years. It's no

0:33:45.840 --> 0:33:49.320
<v Speaker 2>one is exactly sure whyatt ignited this time, but there

0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 2>was a dock worker that said that there were fireworks

0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:56.520
<v Speaker 2>stored nearby, and they did find thousands of kilograms of

0:33:56.560 --> 0:34:00.600
<v Speaker 2>fireworks recovered from a warehouse at that port. And this

0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:03.920
<v Speaker 2>explosion was you know, it was a crater about four

0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:06.160
<v Speaker 2>hundred and sixty feet wide, and you know, it was

0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:07.880
<v Speaker 2>about as big as the Texas City blast.

0:34:08.080 --> 0:34:10.239
<v Speaker 1>I so I saw both. I saw that it was

0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:12.560
<v Speaker 1>about as big, and I saw that it was about

0:34:12.640 --> 0:34:13.520
<v Speaker 1>half the size.

0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:15.719
<v Speaker 2>But I mean that even at half, you know.

0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:18.160
<v Speaker 1>But so yeah, go look at video of that. What's

0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:20.719
<v Speaker 1>astounding about that bay Rout blast? Is there happens to

0:34:20.760 --> 0:34:23.000
<v Speaker 1>be people who are filming when it happened, because there

0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:23.479
<v Speaker 1>was a fire.

0:34:23.680 --> 0:34:24.760
<v Speaker 2>I remember when it happened.

0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:27.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you've seen that that like that white cloud,

0:34:27.960 --> 0:34:32.399
<v Speaker 1>that's that water vapor expanding right and the you can't

0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:34.800
<v Speaker 1>see it, but there's nitrous oxide gas in there as well.

0:34:36.000 --> 0:34:41.000
<v Speaker 1>So imagine twice that size that's that would probably be

0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:43.640
<v Speaker 1>about the size of that first Texas City blast in

0:34:43.719 --> 0:34:44.720
<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty seven.

0:34:46.000 --> 0:34:48.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I remember seeing it on the news,

0:34:48.520 --> 0:34:53.799
<v Speaker 2>and I don't remember if they mentioned Texas City, but yeah,

0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:55.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is stuff that was just stored down

0:34:55.360 --> 0:34:58.319
<v Speaker 2>there for like seven years. Soaking up that warm, kind

0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:02.360
<v Speaker 2>of moist Mediterranean breeze. Not the way you should handle

0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:02.799
<v Speaker 2>and store the.

0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:05.040
<v Speaker 1>Story now, And like the story behind is kind of interesting,

0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Like that was started in Georgia, not our Georgia, but

0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:12.840
<v Speaker 1>the Republic of Georgia en route to Mozambique, and the

0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:15.360
<v Speaker 1>apparently the owners were like, we're not making enough money

0:35:15.360 --> 0:35:19.720
<v Speaker 1>on this trip, so we're gonna divert over to Beirut

0:35:19.800 --> 0:35:21.880
<v Speaker 1>and pick up some more freight. And the crew said, no,

0:35:21.920 --> 0:35:24.040
<v Speaker 1>we're not gonna do. It's going to make the weight dangerous.

0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:27.320
<v Speaker 1>So they balked portfe started racking up and the owners

0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:29.960
<v Speaker 1>apparently just decided to abandon the crew, the ship, and

0:35:30.000 --> 0:35:33.200
<v Speaker 1>the cargo. The cargo once it was impounded, should have

0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:35.799
<v Speaker 1>been sold off, but it wasn't. Instead, it just, like

0:35:35.840 --> 0:35:39.800
<v Speaker 1>you said, sat there, stored incorrectly for six years until

0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:43.480
<v Speaker 1>something caused it to blow up. Which is I mean,

0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:46.560
<v Speaker 1>just the idea that it was just negligence that led

0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:50.279
<v Speaker 1>to that catastrophe is it's even worse. I think that's

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:54.000
<v Speaker 1>something that's missing from the Texas City disaster there. There

0:35:54.080 --> 0:35:57.920
<v Speaker 1>wasn't really any negligent act. Maybe a mistake or a

0:35:57.920 --> 0:36:01.359
<v Speaker 1>bad choice, but no one was particularly really negligent about it.

0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:03.719
<v Speaker 1>So I think that's it kind of makes the bay

0:36:03.800 --> 0:36:06.680
<v Speaker 1>rout last even worse that people were supposed to be

0:36:06.719 --> 0:36:08.480
<v Speaker 1>doing stuff that they didn't do and a lot of

0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:11.040
<v Speaker 1>people died as a result. Yeah.

0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:13.799
<v Speaker 2>I think the BP Refinery in two thousand and five,

0:36:13.880 --> 0:36:16.520
<v Speaker 2>they had to pay out about fifty million bucks for

0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:21.000
<v Speaker 2>that one after they did a little safety audit, and

0:36:21.040 --> 0:36:24.200
<v Speaker 2>in that safety audit they found it and this was

0:36:24.280 --> 0:36:26.440
<v Speaker 2>before the blast. Actually they did a safety audit and

0:36:26.440 --> 0:36:28.480
<v Speaker 2>they found that a lot of people that worked at

0:36:28.520 --> 0:36:31.600
<v Speaker 2>this plant. It says came to work with quote an

0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:36.720
<v Speaker 2>exceptional degree of fear of catastrophic incidences. Yeah, incidents end quote,

0:36:36.760 --> 0:36:39.240
<v Speaker 2>and that's a little bit of an ocean nightmare.

0:36:39.320 --> 0:36:41.840
<v Speaker 1>Everything that I've read about that was that there was

0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:45.640
<v Speaker 1>a direct result of BP cutting safety in favor of

0:36:45.719 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 1>higher profit margins, and that's what happened. That's what allowed

0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:52.160
<v Speaker 1>this plant to deteriorate and the machinery just didn't work.

0:36:52.440 --> 0:36:55.840
<v Speaker 1>But they traced this explosion. This is an oil refinery explosion.

0:36:55.880 --> 0:36:59.400
<v Speaker 1>It had nothing to do with ammonium nitrate. But the

0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:04.560
<v Speaker 1>I think think whatever chemical they put in gas to

0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:07.880
<v Speaker 1>boost the octane level, they turned a machine on that

0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:11.000
<v Speaker 1>does that, and somehow, like all these components to the

0:37:11.000 --> 0:37:14.400
<v Speaker 1>gasoline started vaporizing out into the air. It started shooting

0:37:14.440 --> 0:37:17.440
<v Speaker 1>out of this tower because the pressure was overloaded and

0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:20.759
<v Speaker 1>there was so much gas vapor in the air that

0:37:20.800 --> 0:37:24.560
<v Speaker 1>somebody had a pickup truck running nearby and it got

0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:27.520
<v Speaker 1>sucked up into the air intake and the engine started revving,

0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:30.160
<v Speaker 1>and that's actually what ignited the whole thing, all of

0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:33.839
<v Speaker 1>this gas vapor This pickup truck sucking in gas molecules

0:37:33.840 --> 0:37:37.640
<v Speaker 1>that were just vaporized in the air around it. Crazy

0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:44.200
<v Speaker 1>in Texas City. Again, it's crazy. So you got anything else?

0:37:45.040 --> 0:37:45.879
<v Speaker 2>I got nothing else.

0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, if you want to know more about the Texas

0:37:47.680 --> 0:37:51.280
<v Speaker 1>City disaster, you can go look that up. I would

0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:57.360
<v Speaker 1>strongly recommend reading Sheryl Lower's dwarf for Ross's Changing Lives

0:37:57.360 --> 0:38:01.400
<v Speaker 1>in a Heartbeat Journal article. Also big shout out to

0:38:01.719 --> 0:38:05.080
<v Speaker 1>Fireengineering dot com they had a good one, and then

0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:09.120
<v Speaker 1>the Local twelve fifty nine. The Texas City Firefighters Union

0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:14.239
<v Speaker 1>has a really comprehensive overview of the Texas City disaster too,

0:38:14.320 --> 0:38:17.440
<v Speaker 1>so maybe check those out for even more details. And

0:38:17.560 --> 0:38:20.520
<v Speaker 1>since totally since I said that, it's time for listener mail.

0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:25.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm gonna call this, uh, well, I'm gonna call

0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:28.640
<v Speaker 2>it where Ryan called it. Well, I'm dumb, but I'm

0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:33.719
<v Speaker 2>over it. Hey, guys, long time, first time. I thought

0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:35.480
<v Speaker 2>i'd tell you. You had me duped for a long time.

0:38:35.520 --> 0:38:37.000
<v Speaker 2>When I first started listening to the show, so a

0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:39.440
<v Speaker 2>few years ago, and probably for a year after that

0:38:39.480 --> 0:38:42.040
<v Speaker 2>first episode, I honestly thought there was a list of

0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:44.920
<v Speaker 2>keywords that Josh referred to toward the end of the

0:38:44.960 --> 0:38:49.279
<v Speaker 2>episode whenever he says, well, since I said blank, it's

0:38:49.280 --> 0:38:53.480
<v Speaker 2>time for listener mail. For an embarrassment. This is very cute.

0:38:53.680 --> 0:38:56.759
<v Speaker 2>For an embarrassingly long time, I really thought that the

0:38:56.840 --> 0:39:00.719
<v Speaker 2>blank word was from a predetermined master list, and that

0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:02.760
<v Speaker 2>you had revealed that list of words to the audience

0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:06.760
<v Speaker 2>in an early episode. Wow, I guess like the magic

0:39:06.800 --> 0:39:07.719
<v Speaker 2>word in uh.

0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:08.760
<v Speaker 1>Pee Wee's Playhouse.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, was that what it was?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? This guy was to really love Peewe's Playhouse.

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<v Speaker 2>I started listening to increasingly older episodes and hopes that

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<v Speaker 2>I would hear that list or catch a trend toward

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<v Speaker 2>the words used.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye.

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<v Speaker 2>Josh's transition with that statement at the end of every

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<v Speaker 2>episode is just so smooth.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, there you go, thanks man.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't until one episode, when Josh's word was so mundane,

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<v Speaker 2>so common it was probably the or if or something

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<v Speaker 2>along those lines, that I finally realized there is no list.

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<v Speaker 2>I had been fooled.

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<v Speaker 1>This random fell from his eyes and he was free. Finally.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, since you said scales, those random words are just

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<v Speaker 2>that random. Actually felt a bit disappointed when I realized this,

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<v Speaker 2>but I actually took some of the mystery out of

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<v Speaker 2>the show. But I'm over it now. Whether or not

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<v Speaker 2>it's good to admit I had been fooled by this

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<v Speaker 2>for a long time. Is up for debate, but been

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<v Speaker 2>meaning to tell you about this for a while. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope you think of me every time Josh transitions to

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<v Speaker 2>listener mail from now on, I totally will. Yeah, take

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<v Speaker 2>care and keep doing what you're doing because it's a

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<v Speaker 2>fantastic show. And since I said show dot dot dot

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<v Speaker 2>what that's great? That is from Ryan Peschel.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Ryan, Thanks for getting in our heads like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently we got in your heads too, so it's only fair,

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<v Speaker 1>don't you think, Chuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And just right then, I didn't think we had

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<v Speaker 2>a listener mail and then look what pops up?

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan Peeschel saves the day again, and only Ryan knows

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm talking about. I just ruined his life again.

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<v Speaker 1>He's back in the game. If you want to get

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<v Speaker 1>in touch with us and try to get in our

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<v Speaker 1>heads like Ryan did, so we have to think of

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<v Speaker 1>you every time we say something about listener mail or

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