1 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: This Tiger Tour. You're either in with him or you 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: are dead to him. Why would he change now? There's 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: never been any in between. Let them coexist and divvy up, 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: Divvy up the schedule, divvy up the players, and divvy 5 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: it all up. Isn't that ultimately what it seems like 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: we're working towards. 7 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 2: That. 8 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 3: Got thoughts in my head. 9 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 4: Can't get him join, Not the thing Wood I'm thinking about, 10 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 4: got my head, can't get him. 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 3: Out, John, Not the thing Wood I'm thinking about. 12 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: Hello, this is Alan shipknocking back for another Fire Drill podcast. 13 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: There is a lot happening in the golf world, in 14 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 2: society as a whole. 15 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 5: We thought this might just be a good. 16 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: Moment to for Matt, Janelle and I to talk about 17 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 2: the state of things. 18 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 5: For me, it's kind of an exciting day. 19 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: It's book release day of Live and Let Die, which 20 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: some of you have already heard about or read about. 21 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 2: Here in New York City, doing some publicity, all good stuff. 22 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 2: Matt's in Oceanside and fire Pit HQ. Matti, how's it going. 23 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 5: It's going well? 24 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 1: I mean I feel like I'm busy until I heard 25 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: where you've been and what you've been up to so 26 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: give it a little more, a little more details on 27 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,839 Speaker 1: sort of exactly what you've been doing today. 28 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I've done five podcasts, two or three 29 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 2: national radio shows. I'm chipping, I've got my mint tea here, 30 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 2: my throat. I'm losing my voice slightly. I hope it 31 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 2: doesn't sound too bad for the view listeners at home. 32 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 2: I came to New York because I was I had 33 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 2: some TV stuff lined up on MSNBC today. I was 34 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: gonna do squawk Box and Morning Joe. But with President 35 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 2: Biden flying to Israel, with the House trying to elect 36 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 2: a speaker, with war raging in the Middle East and elsewhere, 37 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 2: those things get better ratings, I think than golf books. 38 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 5: So I got bumped. Hopefully tomorrow. I'm locked in. 39 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 2: For CNN tomorrow and maybe a few other things. But 40 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 2: it's all good. I'm just happy to be here and 41 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 2: enjoying the room service of my hotel, which I haven't 42 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: left this room since ten am. It's now five t 43 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 2: I literally haven't left the room. It's just been ping 44 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: ponging from one thing to the next. But of course 45 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 2: I appreciate the interest and people wanting. 46 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 5: To talk about the book. And it's been fun. 47 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm probably tired of my own voice, but 48 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 2: hopefully nobody else is yet. 49 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 5: Probably a few people. It's probably. 50 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: I know, a few tour pros of voice to the 51 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: idea that they're tired of you. Well, but good god, 52 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, given the state of what happening in 53 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: the world and devastation and destruction and just terrorism and sadness, 54 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: and I the idea of sort of talking about anything 55 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: other than that, or seeing anything other than that is 56 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: is you know, here we are covering the game of golf, 57 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: and I think it's just a good reminder and perspective 58 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: on you know, what it is we do and how 59 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: we do it and try to, you know, certainly tell 60 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: stories that in some cases to justin Thomas's point, where 61 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: you know positive stories. You know, look, it's not all positive, 62 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: and it's not always positive, and I know you're at 63 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: the axis of this fantastically layered, I don't know, dysfunctional 64 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: fight for profet golf and for me, Before we get 65 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: too far into it, it's just worth stating that, you know, 66 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: it's also a good reminder that professional golf is only 67 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: a sliver of what is golf. Capital golf, you know, 68 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: and that to me is also something that I try 69 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: to remind myself. You know, I've certainly sent out a 70 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: lot of tweets that I often think maybe I probably 71 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: shouldn't have sent that out, or you know, maybe I 72 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: should have sat on that an extra day or rewarded 73 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 1: that a little differently. And you know, the more the 74 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: more I read of what you write, the more i'm 75 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: I'm hyper focused on the other side of the game, 76 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,239 Speaker 1: which is, you know, instead of people who get paid 77 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: to play, people who pay to play, because I think that, 78 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: to me is is truly what golf is. And I 79 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: think some of the guys who are getting paid to play, 80 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: some of those guys, you know, men and women, at 81 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: one point had to pay to play, and I think 82 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: they're not too far removed from that. 83 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 5: And you know, I think. 84 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: We'd all be better served to keep things in perspective 85 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: from time to time when when this kind of stuff 86 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: gets so far out of control, which I believe is 87 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: where it's at right now. 88 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 2: Well it's a good point. I mean, folks have been 89 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 2: following us carefully, know that we're monitoring and chronicling this 90 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 2: big renovation at Golden Gate Park golf course right in 91 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 2: the hard of San Francisco, and I was up there 92 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 2: just last week. They you know, I was there in February, 93 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 2: the last day that the old course could be played 94 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 2: by the It's this treasured little respite in the heart 95 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 2: of the city for the local golf community. And talking 96 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 2: to the folks about how much the course means to them, 97 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,799 Speaker 2: and there's a little trepidation, like, yeah, this is our course. 98 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: I mean, it's not perfect, but we, like, you know, 99 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 2: we're sorry to lose it. And what's been created there 100 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: is just phenomenal. It is gonna be one of the 101 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 2: best part threes in the country. And so they kind 102 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 2: of had a soft opening and they had two dozen 103 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 2: young women who were part of the first tea. Really 104 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 2: they're girls, they're all teenagers, and they they came out 105 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: and played and the joy that just they exuded because 106 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 2: it's just a fun, whimsical design and a beautiful setting. 107 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 2: And you get up to the top of the property, 108 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 2: you can see the ocean and you can see the 109 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 2: famous windmills out there and the outer sunset and there's 110 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 2: glimpses of of you know, the real urban tightly packed 111 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: in houses and buildings and you have a real sense 112 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 2: of place and just big around those those kids. As 113 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 2: you suggest, Matt, it it is affirming, and it is 114 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 2: the reminder of what it's all about. And I mean 115 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 2: we tell a lot of those stories here at the Collective, 116 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 2: you know, whether you know we gosh, let's go through 117 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 2: the roll call of all the heartwarming stories we've done 118 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 2: the last year or two. I mean, there's so many 119 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 2: like you and I are. Both of our hearts are 120 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 2: in municipal golf and in public golf, and and we've 121 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: been chronicling that, you know, pretty much non stop in parallel. 122 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 5: You know, I have been writing. 123 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 2: About this, this battle for the soul of professional golf, 124 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: and so hopefully that's interesting to fans. You kind of 125 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 2: get a taste of everything and and and readers and 126 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 2: viewers and listeners. 127 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 5: Uh, you know, we're not predictable. I think you're at 128 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 5: the Firepit. 129 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 2: We're always always chasing different stories and and. 130 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 5: And some are really uplifting and feel good. 131 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: Some like you know, I dropped one today on Firepit 132 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 2: Collective dot Com kind of gets into this this current 133 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 2: moment in geopolitics and in what that means for the 134 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 2: Framework Agreement. And it's it's complex, and there's it's a 135 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: little dark, and it's a little it's a little edgy, 136 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 2: and I like that mix for us and hope hopefully 137 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: the our you know, our our fans are into it 138 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 2: as well. But definitely, definitely we have We're like pictures 139 00:07:58,880 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: that have a fastball and. 140 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 5: It up and a knuckleball and a curveball. 141 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 2: I think if you come to Firepit collective communit, you 142 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 2: don't know what you're gonna find. 143 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 5: And to me, that's that's a great thing. But there's 144 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 5: a wide disparity. 145 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: Well going through your your article and your book and 146 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: and then all the you know, sort of the preliminary feedback, 147 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: because the preliminary feedback on Phil, I think for a 148 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: lot of people assumed one thing and by the end 149 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: of the book they realized another, which is it was 150 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: beyond fair and balanced and actually skewed more towards the 151 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: positives that Phil has done and is capable of doing. 152 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: But there's another side to him that you know, right 153 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: or wrong, like or dislike, agree with or or disagree with. 154 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 5: It's just it's just who he is. 155 00:08:55,240 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: As you know, as you're navigating this free flow of politics, egos, 156 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: money which comes with greed, and then this concept of 157 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: like a future right because at some point we have 158 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: we they it the professional game of golf is going 159 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: to end up somewhere right where it is now at 160 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: the end of twenty twenty three. What it will be 161 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, what I think people hope it 162 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: will be by twenty twenty five is sort of what 163 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: is sort of that is the heart of the matter, right, 164 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: Like what is the endgame here? 165 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 5: Who's in charge? 166 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: And like where's the money coming from? How much money 167 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: is going out? Like that to me is so we 168 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: are so far from where it's going to end up. 169 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: It just seems it's it's mind boggl to me. 170 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 5: And farther than people think. 171 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 2: And that was one of the reasons why I wrote 172 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 2: this story, because even though the book's done, I'm getting 173 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 2: I'm still plugged into so many people and I'm always. 174 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 5: Talking to them. And I got a guy on the phone. 175 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 2: He's a he's a big New York finance titan. This 176 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 2: is just three or four days ago now, and he's 177 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:24,599 Speaker 2: very involved in the conversations around the framework agreement. And 178 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 2: I said, it's this thing is gonna be done by 179 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 2: December thirty first, which is supposed supposed to be when 180 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: it's going to expire. 181 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 5: He said, no, it's not. It's like it's a mess. 182 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 2: There's too many, there's too many egos, There's there's too 183 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: many there's too many players, too many cooks in the kitchen. 184 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 2: Like he said, it's going to get extended and it's 185 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 2: going to keep changing. And there's it's been leaking out 186 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 2: in other places about all these private equity firms and 187 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 2: other other you know, institutional investors who are trying to 188 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 2: get in on the deal. 189 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 5: And it makes it makes sense. 190 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 2: You know what this this this this so called merger, 191 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 2: this big deal that was trump but it was nothing 192 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 2: more than peaky promises. There's nothing in that document that's 193 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 2: binding except for you know, basically extinguishing the lawsuits like that. 194 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: That's a done deal. That's happened. 195 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 5: That was a win for the tour. 196 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,079 Speaker 2: But otherwise, you know, there was there's a line in 197 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 2: there about the Saudis have the first you know, the 198 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 2: PIFF has the first right of refusal for outside investment. 199 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 2: That's only that was that was aspirational. That's not the truth. 200 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 2: They that's why the tour is they've got upwards of 201 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 2: ten bidders now who want to get in on the deal, 202 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 2: and they can either come in alongside the Saudis or 203 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 2: they can push the Saudis out entirely. And there's pros 204 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 2: and cons either way from from the PGA Tour perspective. 205 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 2: But so this deal is miles from being done, and 206 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 2: it's gonna it's gonna extend in twenty twenty four, and 207 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 2: it's going to get a lot messier. So yeah, to 208 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 2: your point, Matt, I mean to moving target, what what 209 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 2: the game is going to look like? It's never been 210 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 2: less certain, you know. I think the announcement the framework 211 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 2: agreement kind of tricked people into thinking that that was 212 00:11:58,040 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 2: the endgame. 213 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: But it's really not, wouldn't you say that Where we 214 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: are today, and based on this article and some of 215 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: your reporting, even after you hit send on the book, 216 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: you feel like they again it professional golf is further 217 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: away from a clean and clear future than it was 218 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,599 Speaker 1: the day they announced this so called pinky promise or promises. 219 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense from Jay Monaghan standpoint. I mean, 220 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 2: the tour needs two billion dollars of investment. That's the 221 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 2: number they've settled on. They can't pay their bills, their 222 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 2: models outdated. It's time to basically shift the tour as 223 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: business model it And that's a good thing. I mean, 224 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 2: you look at the money that's flooded into in this 225 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 2: premiere soccer and every other sport. Really it was time 226 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 2: for the tour to have access to that because the 227 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 2: old model of every year you got to go back 228 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: to some corporation and some and try and squeeze another 229 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 2: million or two million dollars out of them. Like now 230 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 2: the tour is gonna have a war chest that it 231 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 2: can it can invest in its product, better TV, better streaming, 232 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 2: better social media, and you know, more interesting tournament offerings 233 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 2: like they will have the money to do that. This 234 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 2: is a good thing for golf fans. The issue is 235 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 2: where is the money gonna come from? It can It 236 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 2: can be entirely the piff, but we know that comes 237 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 2: with political risk. I mean, the lawmakers on Capitol Hill 238 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: are watching this very carefully because it would set a 239 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 2: precedent for all of professional sports. Because you know, if 240 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 2: the saudiast can take over golf, why wouln't they try 241 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 2: and buy an NFL team and a Major League Baseball 242 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 2: team and an NBA team and so this is something 243 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 2: that the professional sports is gonna have to grapple with. 244 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 2: And it just turns out that golf is they're the 245 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 2: first guys in the door. So if I think the 246 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 2: dream scenario for the tour is that y'a seer to 247 00:13:55,559 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 2: maintain his position as in this new entity and you know, 248 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 2: have the proverbial seat at the table. If you would 249 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 2: allow some other US based investment to come in alongside 250 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 2: the Saudis, which would dilute their equity and dilute the 251 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 2: Saudi influence, that becomes much more palatable to the golfers, 252 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 2: to the golf fans, and to Congress and say, hey, 253 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 2: yes we welcome the Saudis into this as a minority 254 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 2: investor alongside all these other companies, these blue chip American companies, 255 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 2: and that becomes a much easier sell or. They can 256 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 2: they can totally cut bait with the piff and go 257 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: all in with US money, and that would obviously make 258 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 2: a lot of people happy in the golf ecosystem. But 259 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 2: the risk in that is then you make you live 260 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 2: golf a staunch competitor again. And now yes, here's pissed, 261 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 2: and he still got the checkbook. So they're you know, 262 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 2: they're the tours trying to thread the needle here, and 263 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 2: that's why the negotiations are bogged down, and that that's 264 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 2: why the future is so uncertain because they have the there's, 265 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 2: you know, kind of these three different possible outcomes and 266 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 2: each one has has has a definite upside and has 267 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 2: a definite risk and so and so now you've introduced 268 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 2: all these other all these other people into it. You know, 269 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 2: all these private ec re refirms are Emmanuel from Endeavor, 270 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 2: the big Hollywood agency. Like their bidders, they have their 271 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 2: own advisors and lobbyists and lawyers, and so the cast 272 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 2: just keeps expanding, the conversations keep multiplying, and and you 273 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 2: know it's this is just it was already a complex 274 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 2: deal and now it's it's uh complexity squared. 275 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: Tiger Rory Steinberg Tigers inserting himself and a seat on 276 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: the board. And again from where I sit and all 277 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: that I know and what he brings. Look at how 278 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: much money they've raised for their you know there you 279 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: know they're sort of I don't know what you call it. 280 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 5: The it's a breakaway league. It's a breakaway league, right 281 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 5: like just like it's just like Living Golf. 282 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: It's another you know, you know, I can't wait for 283 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: that to get official World Golf ranking points before Live, which, uh, 284 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: but you know it doesn't, doesn't It Like Tiger and 285 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: Rory's and Steinberg have drawn lines in the sand, right 286 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: they they are. And so that's like when you say, 287 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: like the tours trying to thread the needle, I guess 288 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: my my response to that is, yeah, maybe the tour 289 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: is trying to thread the needle, but isn't Tiger and 290 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: Rory and all that comes with that that you know, business, 291 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: that's the first thing they want to do. They actually 292 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: want to do anything butt thread the needle. They'd rather 293 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: create the money on their own, generate the money on 294 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 1: their own, be solely, you know, be independent. They've made 295 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: that very clear. And thus the scenario of having Live 296 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: then go and be a separate entity and pick players 297 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: and essentially have a little now now the Tiger Tour, 298 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: which is what you should probably just call it at 299 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,719 Speaker 1: that point. Once once that that then becomes separate, this 300 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: Tiger Tour versus the Then Tiger's the guy who's like, Okay, 301 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: if you go over there, then you're gone. Like that's 302 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: the way he's always operated. You're either in with him 303 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: or you are dead to him. Why would he change now, 304 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: there's never been any in between. It's very clear that 305 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: would be. Then the Phill League versus the Tiger League. 306 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: It's you know, it's the Saudi money, the Piff money 307 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: versus any other money other then whatever that is, and 308 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: then let it be, and then let let let them 309 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: coexist and and divvy up, divvy up the schedule, divvy 310 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: up the players, and divvy it all up. Isn't that 311 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: ultimately what it seems like we're working towards. 312 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 2: I mean, it's everyone who's compromised in this. You know, 313 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 2: Tiger and Rory are on the board of directors of 314 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 2: the PGA Tour. They are also the co founders of 315 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 2: this t of this TGL, and so which the tours 316 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 2: invested in. They share intellectual property. 317 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 5: So Tiger and Rory want to protect. 318 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 2: This new league they've created, and but that really benefits 319 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 2: them and the players they've given a. 320 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 5: Piece of the league too, which are all tour guys. 321 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 2: No live players have been invited, not Brooks Koepka, not 322 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 2: Dustin Johnson, who everybody still loves like it's it's to 323 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 2: the TGL is become a vehicle to continue to buy 324 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 2: the loyalty of these guys who have stayed loyal to. 325 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 5: The PGA Tour. And it's like a reward. You get 326 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 5: to be you get to be in the boys club. 327 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 5: And so. 328 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 2: When when this deal gets presented to the Board of 329 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 2: Directors of the PGA Tour and whatever fashion is, Tiger 330 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 2: and Roy are gonna have to vote on it. And 331 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 2: something I've learned is that it has to be unanimous. Two, 332 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 2: it's it's it's in the tour constitution to change the 333 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 2: tour's bylaws and to change it's it's it's fundamental governance structure, 334 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 2: it has to be unanimous vote by the Board of Directors. 335 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 2: So now you have Patrick Cantley, who we know is 336 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 2: a rascal. 337 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:27,959 Speaker 5: In the middle of a lot of things. 338 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 2: And it's going to be like in Congress when you 339 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 2: you know, there's one holdout in the Senate, you know, 340 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 2: to break a tie, and all of a sudden, Oh, 341 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 2: he's what. We're gonna build a new military base in Alaska, 342 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 2: and we're gonna like you know what, like all the 343 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 2: all the pork that goes into these these all this 344 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 2: all these bills like potentially facing that scenario where the 345 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 2: tour has has made a decision, you know, the jaymon 346 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 2: Ands and Jimmy Dunn's, and they've kind of hammered out 347 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 2: a deal and now the players have to ratify it. 348 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 2: But they have their own selfish interests which are very 349 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 2: different from the you know what, Tiger and Rory, their 350 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 2: concerns about the TGL have nothing to do with what 351 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 2: you know, Peter mal Natty's trying to keep his card, 352 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 2: you know who's on the board as well, and a 353 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 2: web Sinson who's coming to the end of his playing days. 354 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 5: It appears like. 355 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 2: So it's this whole process is so interesting and so revealing, 356 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,719 Speaker 2: and so yeah that how who's going to vote, how 357 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 2: they're going to vote, and of course there'll be tons 358 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 2: of conversation to get to that point. And it was 359 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 2: quite interesting that you know, this guy Colin Neville, he's 360 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 2: a he's at Rain Capital. He was appointed to be 361 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 2: an advisor to the player directors. Basically, the Tiger Rory 362 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 2: can't lay Websinson Peter Malnaughty to advise him on the deal. 363 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 5: Like so, so Jay and. 364 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 2: Jimmy cannot pull another end around, you know, like especially 365 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 2: like say Jimmy Dunn. He's a very very sharp businessman. 366 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 2: He understands seeing at a granular lefs that no mere 367 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 2: golfer ever could and so he can out fox these guys. 368 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 2: But you know, they brought in Colin Neville to kind 369 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 2: of joust with him and explain it to the players 370 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 2: on this this human level. And so it's you've got 371 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 2: all these warring camps that are potentially going to have 372 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 2: to have to come to a unanimous agreement for anything 373 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 2: to get done. 374 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 5: So the layers of. 375 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 2: Intrigue, I mean, it's like trying to elect a new 376 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 2: pope or you know, it's just there's it's all happening 377 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 2: again in secret, and we're gonna just have to wait 378 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 2: for for the next puff of smoke to come out 379 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 2: the chimney, and and and see where this process is. 380 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: Part of the negativity or the response to your excerpt 381 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 1: latest excerpt and the book in general, just me you know, 382 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: going through some of the some of the comments certainly 383 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: maybe by the players too as they try try to 384 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: kind of move on or brush aside or get to 385 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: where they need to go, is that you're bringing up 386 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that took place a year ago. 387 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: You know, you're you're bringing you're bringing back up or 388 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: revealing stuff that was said when tensions were high amongst 389 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: those players, when stuff was actually going down in terms 390 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: of guys were leaving or not leaving, had one toe in, 391 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,959 Speaker 1: but didn't, you know, ultimately pulled back for whatever reason? 392 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: Is that? 393 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 5: Is that fair to say? 394 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: Is that the sense you're getting is that that a 395 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: lot of these people involved would just assume not have 396 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: all that stuff come out now, given the fact they're 397 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: trying to like move on and come to some sort 398 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: of you know, comprehensible or comprehensive conclusion. 399 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, they would love to sweep all under the 400 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 2: rug of course that that serves their interests, you know, like, yeah, 401 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 2: that was that was justin Thomas's critique. They can't you 402 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 2: just say only nice things and. 403 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 5: You know, not not dwell on this other stuff. 404 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 2: But it's like, this is how we got to this moment, 405 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 2: And I just think it's so important for golfers to understand, 406 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 2: like all this this all just happened in the shadows, right, 407 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 2: and so no one knows how we got to this moment. 408 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 2: It's it's just been it's been a series of cover 409 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 2: ups in low key cover ups and these information wars 410 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 2: where everyone's trying to control the narrative and what bothers 411 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 2: a guy like Justin Thomas is he can't control me, 412 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 2: and I'm just gonna I'm just gonna tell it. 413 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 5: Like it is. 414 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 2: What everything I've learned, everything I've been told from both sides, 415 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 2: synthesize it and create. 416 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 5: You know, what I. 417 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 2: Think is is the true story of what actually happened. 418 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 2: But people, you know, the players, the other other Jay Monahan, 419 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 2: Greg Norman, they don't want that. 420 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 5: They want only their version to go out. 421 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 2: And a guy like Justin has been spoon fed a 422 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: lot of stuff from Jay Monahan and Jimmy Dunn and 423 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 2: basically told it's fine, we got this under control, don't 424 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,959 Speaker 2: worry about it. We're looking out for your interests. And 425 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 2: in the end it turned out not to be totally true. 426 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 2: But it's like they've they've become reliant on the official 427 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 2: version of events. But that's often not the case, like 428 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 2: how many press releases go out, you know, but an 429 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 2: officer involves shooting and it's you know, the passive language, 430 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 2: and it seems you don't really know what happened, and 431 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 2: no one pays attention to. 432 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,479 Speaker 5: Then the truth comes out and it's something darker. 433 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that this battle is on par 434 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 2: with that, but there's there's like the official version that 435 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 2: the that the powers that be are peddling often turns 436 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 2: out not to be the case. 437 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 5: And you know, my job in this has. 438 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,959 Speaker 2: Been to cut through all that and and find the 439 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,479 Speaker 2: real truth and the real the real heart of this story. 440 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 2: So is that inconvenient for some players and some bureaucrats, 441 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 2: you know obviously, but that I don't think that's really 442 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 2: my issue. 443 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 5: It's there. 444 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: Well, the other thing is isn't And and this is 445 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: my sense again because we spend a lot of time 446 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: comparing notes and having conversations for every Justin Thomas or 447 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 1: Brooks Koepka, who are obviously in these elite level of 448 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: you know, fraternities and boys clubs, per you know, how 449 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: we saw the Ryder Cup play out and how you know, 450 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: just the whole dysfunction of that whole process. But for 451 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 1: every Justin Thomas or Brooks Kopka that says, oh, we're 452 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: sick of Alan Schipnook, I would imagine you probably get 453 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: a lot of text messages, phone calls and DMS from 454 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: a whole slew of other players saying, thank god for 455 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: you because we don't have we don't have a voice 456 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 1: in the room. We don't actually have any idea of 457 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: what's going on, and never will because we're that that 458 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 1: filter of communication and information is never it's always going 459 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: to cut short of me being ranked fifty sixth or 460 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 1: sixty fifth or one hundred and sixty fifth in the 461 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 1: professional golf world. And they're like, please ease, You're our 462 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: only source of actual information because whatever else we're getting 463 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 1: is just it's just a bunch of bullshit. 464 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been interesting. 465 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 2: I have gotten those kind of comments, and it is 466 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 2: just such a polarizing subject. And even the media environment 467 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 2: got polarized, where you know a lot of people reflexively 468 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 2: pro tour anti live, and I tried to not get 469 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 2: sucked into that and kind of understand what was going on. 470 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 2: So like when when the framework agreement was announced, and 471 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 2: you know, Jay and Jimmy were doing their media tour 472 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 2: saying we won, We've got all the power, We've got 473 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 2: the board seats. 474 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 5: You know, this is great for us. 475 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 2: And I've been talking to people on Live all along, 476 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 2: and so they were telling me their version of events. 477 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 2: And when I when I tried to counter this prevailing 478 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 2: to our narrative that actually Gasra has the money, he 479 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 2: has the power. 480 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 5: I got so much pushback from E. 481 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 2: There are other even other members of the golf media, 482 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 2: but you know, they they had not been to a 483 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 2: live event, they don't have any sources there. They won't 484 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 2: talk to any of the players, they don't talk to 485 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 2: any of the executives. And so just by trying to 486 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 2: tell a complete story, it bothers some people because they 487 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 2: only want to hear that one version. And I mean, 488 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 2: of course, it's symptomatic of modern life where you know, 489 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 2: look at political consumption of news, like if you only 490 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 2: watch Fox News or you only watch Rachel Maddow, you 491 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 2: know you have a very specific worldview. 492 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 5: And when when it. 493 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 2: Gets countered and people get upset, they get mad, they 494 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 2: start shouting at you. It's like, well, I'm not saying 495 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:32,919 Speaker 2: I'm right and you're wrong. I'm just saying, have you 496 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 2: considered this? And but it's an increasingly difficult conversation to 497 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 2: have in America today on any topic. And because this 498 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 2: is this has grown from a golf story to a 499 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 2: political story then and of course Trump's in the middle 500 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 2: of everything, and he's obviously a very polarizing figure that 501 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,719 Speaker 2: it definitely it's turned the volume up on all this. 502 00:27:54,880 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 2: So yeah, there's definitely there's naysayers, and there's supporters, you know, 503 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 2: at every level, whether they're players, whether they're they're fellow 504 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 2: media members, whether they're just people on social media. But 505 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 2: I try and tune all that out and just like 506 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 2: focus on telling the story and whatever, whatever the reaction is, 507 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 2: I can't control that, but this is this is what 508 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 2: I think the story is, and if you stick to that, 509 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 2: I think you can avoid getting sucked in and getting 510 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 2: off track. 511 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 5: But I didn't see you, Ben Affleck. 512 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 1: I see as Ben Affleck in The Accountant when that 513 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: in that room where he sequesters himself for like a 514 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: day and he goes through all the pens and he 515 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: writes the you know, the the long equation of how 516 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: all this adds up and the sum total of it 517 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: is just he finds he essentially finds all the all 518 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: the darkness in the in the equation itself, and how 519 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: the numbers don't match up and they don't like what 520 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: he finds finds out and and you're just ripping through 521 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: all these pens and all this paperwork, and you get 522 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: into the sum total of the of the dysfunction agreed, 523 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: the egos, the politics, and the bullshitty. 524 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:05,959 Speaker 5: That's a that's a great image. I love it. 525 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 2: But you know, part of why we kind of wanted 526 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 2: to have this discussion is because there's so much happening 527 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 2: all around us, and like you just came in hot 528 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 2: from Las Vegas. 529 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 5: There was this big convention of sort of. 530 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 2: Thought leaders in golf around sustainability, around water, and you know, 531 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 2: you and I just talking offline it really it really 532 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 2: sparked my interest. I want to can you take people 533 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 2: into the room a little bit, Matt and what you 534 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 2: learned and just kind of set the scene because again 535 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 2: it's like we're all affected by what's happened in Palestine. 536 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 2: Has happen anything to do with water consumption in Las Vegas? 537 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 2: Of course not, But somehow golf gets mixed up into 538 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 2: all these things where you know, NBS puts out a 539 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 2: statement that can affect the framework agreement, What what happens 540 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 2: the future water is going to directly affect golf and 541 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 2: how we all play and enjoy it. And so you know, 542 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 2: you and I are always trying to connect these threads. 543 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 5: But what what did you learn out there? Well, yeah, 544 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:01,719 Speaker 5: I was. 545 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: I was asked to go to Las Vegas, of all places, 546 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: to talk about water, which, on the at the face 547 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: of it, you're like, oh, they're having a It was 548 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: the Colorado Basin Golf and Water Summit. The National Golf 549 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: Course Owners Association put on back to back days of 550 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: Golf Business Tech. It was Golf Business Tech con that 551 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: rolled right into the Colorado Basin Golf and Water Summit. 552 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:35,239 Speaker 1: To summarize what I learned, being sort of in the 553 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: bloodstream of both those days would be would be very tough. 554 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: I'm still processing a lot of too copious notes and 555 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: was learning from a lot of different perspectives, voices, experts, panelists, 556 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 1: you know, tent poles of the game. 557 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 5: Golf. 558 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: Here's here's you know. There's The good news is there's 559 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: a lot of smart people trying to figure out the 560 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: issue that revolves around water, not only as it relates 561 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:14,239 Speaker 1: to golf, but as it relates to humanity. So I 562 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: walked away feeling much more positive about the amount of research, 563 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: the passion, the experts you know that are involved in 564 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: trying to make sure that again forget golf for a second, 565 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: that we as a society will continue to be able to, 566 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: you know, have a sustainable future. I mean that, that's 567 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: you know, and I think that was shared by a 568 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: lot of people in the room. I wish more people 569 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: were in the room to hear what was said, to 570 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: ask questions that they might have or not have. Jay Karen, 571 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: National Golf Course Owners Association, Rhett Evans of the Golf 572 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: Course Superintendent's Association of America, Don Ray, vice president of 573 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: the PJ of America, Craig Kessler Southern California Golf Association 574 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: of Matt Pringle from the United States Golf Association, all 575 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: in the room. Okay, so that's that that was important. 576 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: You know, Don Ray from I don't know if you 577 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: know him from the pg of America. 578 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 5: Vice president in line the reputation. 579 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: Oh my god, a powerhouse. Uh, someone who grabbed the 580 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: microphone never spoke from a single note, talked about how 581 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: and pointed out how the National Golf Course Owners Association 582 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: should be commended for the fact that they're one of 583 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: the most underfunded organizations in golf and yet they put 584 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: together these these you know, conferences, these summits to to 585 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: to create this this this you know these days of 586 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: information and best practices and information sharing situation that that 587 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people benefited from that. You know, 588 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: Don Rey stuck out to me and as and as 589 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: an organization that you know, has the sixteen thousand members, 590 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,719 Speaker 1: he said that four thousand of his members are going 591 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: to be directly impacted by water on an ongoing basis. Right, 592 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: So that's think about the members of the PGA of America. 593 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: A fourth of his membership are going to be dealing 594 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: with water issues on a regular basis. So he admitted, Hey, 595 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: maybe we haven't been in the room as often as 596 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: we probably should have. We are here now, and we 597 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: are here to stay like that was a big takeaway 598 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: for me. The PGA of America. You know, the USGA 599 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: is doing things can and are going to committed to 600 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: doing ongoing things to try to create you know, better practices. 601 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: It relates to water and sustainability. We're seeing what's going 602 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: in and Alistair McKenzie's famed greens at Pasa Tiempo and 603 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:11,720 Speaker 1: understanding better about how that irrigation process you know works, 604 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: and and all of those little things matter. You know, 605 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: what's being done at Golden Gate Park. You know, the 606 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: removing of all the thatch that comes with a golf 607 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: course that's gotten you know long in the tooth. Well, 608 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: that matching is a problem because that water is not 609 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: going into the ground and therefore, you know, it's not 610 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 1: being sort of, you know, reused in a way that 611 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: is sustainable. So I mean at a federal level, this 612 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 1: woman Stacy Wade was in the in the room. She 613 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: provided a lot of incredible information about what's happening at 614 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: the federal level to try to support the states as 615 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 1: they manage and try to create better sustainable futures for 616 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: the states. A woman by the name of Kolby Peller 617 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 1: you can't make it up. Colby Pellegrino, as a deputy 618 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,839 Speaker 1: General Manager Resources at Southern Nevada Water Authority, was an 619 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: absolute rock star. So between I don't know, Don Rey 620 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,320 Speaker 1: and Colby Pellegrino, I was like, these two really stuck 621 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 1: out to me as people who are making a difference 622 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: and they're going to continue to make a difference from 623 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 1: you know, a state level sheet. You know, Nevada will 624 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,439 Speaker 1: be at an all time low in terms of how 625 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,320 Speaker 1: much water they're using from the Colorado River in twenty 626 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: twenty three. That's important because almost all of you know, 627 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: all of their water is imported, right, They're not getting 628 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 1: any natural water. 629 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 5: Yeah. 630 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: So I don't know Paul Rotzer from you know, from 631 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: from artificial intelligence. He's an authority in AI. He was 632 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 1: the big takeaway from the Golf Business TechCon, you know, 633 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,760 Speaker 1: the Nation Golf Course Owners Association and what they're doing, 634 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 1: the fact that all those tent poles were in the room. 635 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: Don Ray, you know, being who he is, and the 636 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: potential impact he'll have going forward, what Nevada, in the 637 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,280 Speaker 1: state of Nevada is doing to be sustainable, in creating 638 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 1: a blueprint or an answer key for what other states 639 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: are going to have to try to, you know, wrangle 640 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,839 Speaker 1: over the course of the future and a depleted water 641 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 1: you know, water resources is the kind of stuff that 642 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: I'm trying to process as I leave Nevada and and 643 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,880 Speaker 1: go back over my notes and try to kind of 644 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: wrap my brain around the future of again humanity, but 645 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: then again golf as well. There was one guy also 646 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 1: worth mentioning because he made such an incrazing, incredible, impassioned speech. 647 00:36:55,080 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: I wrote his name down. Pat Christopher, director of agronomy 648 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: at red ledges in Hebrew City, Utah, you know, essentially 649 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 1: saying conservation works and asked the question, if we had 650 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 1: to start building golf today, what would it look like 651 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 1: if we know what we know now about water resources? 652 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: And you know, I did that story on Pasa Tiempo 653 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,720 Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen for Golf Channel during Water Week about 654 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: how they diversified their portfolio and essentially made a deal 655 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 1: with Scott's Valley who has an incredible reclamation plant in 656 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: which some of a big chunk of their reclaimed water 657 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: was going out to the ocean. And then you know, 658 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: Scott Hoyt and Justin Mandon and the membership at Pasa 659 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: Tempo were able to sprint make a deal in which 660 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: they get that reclaim water from neighboring Scott's Valley. That 661 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:50,680 Speaker 1: was a huge success story that Pasa Tempo is benefiting now. Well, 662 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 1: if we can have more of those stories again, is 663 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 1: that a golf story or is that is that a 664 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,440 Speaker 1: you know, is that a business story as it relates 665 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: to you know, Santa Cruz Pass Tiempo. The people who 666 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 1: work come from Scott's Valley work at Passe Tempa. The 667 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 1: property values in and around that area that the ripple 668 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: effect of connecting the dots and making sure that water 669 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,319 Speaker 1: isn't just going out to the ocean goat Hill Park, 670 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,320 Speaker 1: going from pottable water to reclaim water is the reason 671 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 1: why John Ashworth has a has a sustainable business model 672 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 1: at this community asset in which now it's a thriving, 673 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,280 Speaker 1: you know, piece of the ocean side community bringing national 674 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: interest from all over the world. Well, that doesn't happen 675 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 1: if he doesn't connect those dots and get the politicians 676 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 1: to make the necessary changes so that he's on reclaim 677 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,439 Speaker 1: water instead of pottable water. You know what I mean, 678 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:48,399 Speaker 1: Like all of this is so connected and you know, 679 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: positive stories as you mentioned Golden Gate Park youthon Course, 680 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: how much you know we're working, you know, in step 681 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: with them. They have two thousand courses under contract and 682 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety thousand kids who are now members 683 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 1: who now have access to the game of golf for 684 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:10,839 Speaker 1: five dollars or less. Accessibility, affordability, you know, sustainability as 685 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: it relates to sort of kids getting in the game 686 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: of golf and having the life experiences that have changed 687 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 1: our lives. And so many people who listen to this podcast, 688 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:23,800 Speaker 1: Western Golf Association, Evans Scholars, Canal Shores, what Kemper Sports, 689 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 1: WGA and so many other local and privatized investors are 690 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 1: doing to try to help Canal Shores turn that business 691 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 1: model around, which is going to be attached to the 692 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 1: Western Golf Association and the kids that are going to 693 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 1: get access to that golf course, plus the junior caddy 694 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:47,800 Speaker 1: programs that are going to be involved, you know, Maggie Hathaway, 695 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,799 Speaker 1: which we did a feature on last year leading into 696 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 1: the US Open, which we know is about to get 697 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,920 Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars inserted into that municipal golf course, plus 698 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:02,280 Speaker 1: Cobbs Creek in Philadelphia, Jones that success story in Atlanta, 699 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,360 Speaker 1: you know, and then all leading up to the Wishbone 700 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,279 Speaker 1: Brall which will happen November eleventh, in which Xander Schoffley, 701 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: who might get dragged into some of these conversations as 702 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 1: it relates to whatever is happening at the professional game. 703 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,359 Speaker 5: Oh, by the way, this is a guy for. 704 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 1: The last six years has donated time and money and 705 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,799 Speaker 1: resources into North County junior golf. He went to San 706 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 1: Diego State from the area. He's you know, given a 707 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: ton of time and money into making sure this Wishbone 708 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 1: Brawl which they play per Simmons at a forty five 709 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 1: forty six hundred yard golf course with the likes of 710 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,520 Speaker 1: Dean Wi Wilson, Jeff Ogley, Fred Couple's, Charlie Hoffman, Chris Riley, 711 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 1: local pros like Will Crop and Colin Featherstone is playing 712 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,360 Speaker 1: this year. And then this beautiful component of the story 713 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,760 Speaker 1: this year in which Jasmine and Janey Leaveo, who started 714 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,319 Speaker 1: in North County Junior golf caddied at some of the 715 00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 1: first few Wishbone Brawls now are playing at long each 716 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:04,120 Speaker 1: state and are going to compete together as partners in 717 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,839 Speaker 1: this year's Wishbone Brawl, competing against Ogilvie and you know 718 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 1: either Will Krop or Chris Riley or Colin Featherstone and 719 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 1: Xander Schoffley and on their bags are going to be 720 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,560 Speaker 1: the Lee twins Aida and Annabel who caddied for Fred 721 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 1: Couples and Will Crop last year, Fred Couples and Jeffrey 722 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,960 Speaker 1: Ogivie last year, Fred Couples and Will Crop the year before. 723 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,840 Speaker 1: Aida and Annabel Lee are going to be cadding for 724 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,879 Speaker 1: Jasmine and Janey, two pairs of twins who have grown 725 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,239 Speaker 1: up playing in North County junior golf. So you want 726 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 1: positive stories, that's what we're also working on. 727 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 3: Oh by the. 728 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:44,319 Speaker 2: Way, Well said, yeah, it's you know, used to be 729 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 2: this time of year was slow in golf. You know, 730 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 2: it's like it just it just never it never ends. 731 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 2: There's so much intrigue. But it's heartening to hear about 732 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,399 Speaker 2: the water symposium, and it's cool that you were there 733 00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 2: because otherwise it would people it wouldn't be disseminated. You know, 734 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,719 Speaker 2: the folks in that room don't necessarily have platforms or 735 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,839 Speaker 2: megaphones or know how to how to get the information out, 736 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 2: and so it's valuable that you would take the time 737 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 2: to immerse yourself in that, and obviously it'll inform whatever 738 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,480 Speaker 2: reporting we do going forward on these environmental things. But anyway, 739 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 2: it's always fun to check in with you, Matt and 740 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 2: just see what you've been up to and what's on 741 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 2: your mind. Obviously I've been paling hard here as well, 742 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 2: so it's kind of kind of fun to have these 743 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 2: state of the fire Pit discussions occasionally and bring people 744 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 2: behind the curtain a little bit. Anything else we need 745 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,440 Speaker 2: to touch on before we release the listeners. 746 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,759 Speaker 1: No, I mean, I'm heading off to San franiscolp. Jay 747 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 1: Blasei's picking me up at the airport tomorrow. I'm going 748 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,920 Speaker 1: to go get eyes on what ultimately is the finished 749 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,600 Speaker 1: product of that Golden Gate Park project, in which Dan 750 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,759 Speaker 1: Burke deserves a ton of credit as the guy who 751 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:02,000 Speaker 1: runs the first tee of San Franci Cisco and you know, 752 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,280 Speaker 1: really got the ball rolling as it relates to this 753 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:11,280 Speaker 1: this project and got you know, privatized investors into making 754 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 1: what's going to be a huge difference just down the 755 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,160 Speaker 1: street from Harding Park, you know. And Dan brought in 756 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,719 Speaker 1: Jay who is donating his his fees to be a 757 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:27,040 Speaker 1: part of this nine to hole restoration renovation, renaissance of 758 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,359 Speaker 1: the of this piece of property. Josh Lewis has has 759 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,200 Speaker 1: been critical in helping Jay and the San Francisco City 760 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:38,000 Speaker 1: Parks Department make sure that, you know, what they're doing 761 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,359 Speaker 1: from an agronomics standpoint, is going to be sustainable and 762 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,480 Speaker 1: make sure that this golf course remains playing and playable 763 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,719 Speaker 1: as Jay sort of envisions it. So I'm going to 764 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,319 Speaker 1: be seeing that tomorrow, and then I'm going to a 765 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,759 Speaker 1: Youth on Course Board meeting on Thursday again, honored to 766 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 1: be a part small part of of what youthon Course 767 00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,719 Speaker 1: is doing. And then I'm going to be busting down 768 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 1: to Will for another one of your one, another one 769 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,319 Speaker 1: of your book signings at Wilshire Country Club. So, I mean, 770 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,440 Speaker 1: the game of golf, going back to the beginning, is 771 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 1: so much more than just the people who get paid 772 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,279 Speaker 1: to play it, and it dominates our eyes and the 773 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,600 Speaker 1: optics of what we see on a day to day basis. 774 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,600 Speaker 1: But I just think it's important and everybody listening knows this. 775 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,479 Speaker 1: You know, we're working on a story on the father 776 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 1: daughter Anya Donagan from Lahinch and the impact she had 777 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,399 Speaker 1: on the Women's US Open from a little town next 778 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,440 Speaker 1: to La Hinch. I mean, what we're doing and how 779 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,719 Speaker 1: we're doing it is so much more than just you know, 780 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:50,480 Speaker 1: you writing these these these books, which is a huge 781 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 1: chunk of effort and energy to try to like peel 782 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,400 Speaker 1: back and shine a light into those deep dark corners 783 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 1: and shadows of the professional game. But when you do 784 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,600 Speaker 1: something like a water symposium, where you go to something 785 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,480 Speaker 1: you like a Youth on Course board meeting, or you 786 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,880 Speaker 1: go to Golden Gate Park and realize, you know, everything 787 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,239 Speaker 1: is connected and it's important to keep some perspective and 788 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 1: not just yell, but sometimes listen. 789 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:21,080 Speaker 5: I love it perfect, Mike Drop. That was Matt Janella. 790 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:22,520 Speaker 5: This is Alan Shipnik. 791 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,080 Speaker 2: Thanks for going along in this little journey with us 792 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,360 Speaker 2: through the life and times of the fire Pit Collective 793 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:28,759 Speaker 2: this minute. 794 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:30,560 Speaker 5: We generally we like to. 795 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,080 Speaker 2: Tell other people's stories, but once in a while it's 796 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,840 Speaker 2: kind of worth worth looking at what we're up to individually, 797 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:38,480 Speaker 2: So appreciate you. 798 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:38,960 Speaker 5: Maddie. 799 00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 2: To the listeners, thanks for sticking with us. As always, 800 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:47,480 Speaker 2: thanks to our corporate supporters at link Soul and at Dormy. 801 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,560 Speaker 2: In fact, I should actually, probably since we're paying bills 802 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,160 Speaker 2: right now, should say that Dormy has created some beautiful 803 00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,279 Speaker 2: leather headcovers that have that skull icon from the cover 804 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,719 Speaker 2: of my book. If you're into it, it's oh. 805 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, we have hats. The hats just came in. They 806 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:05,799 Speaker 5: look amazing. 807 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,719 Speaker 2: So we do this because we love telling stories, but 808 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,399 Speaker 2: we like to keep the lights on as well, So 809 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,680 Speaker 2: thanks for our sponsors. As always, this is another Fire 810 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,359 Speaker 2: Drill podcast. Will be back in your ear soon. For now, 811 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:19,920 Speaker 2: that's the end. Thanks for listening. 812 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:26,680 Speaker 3: I'm been big again. I played the wind made a fortune. 813 00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,879 Speaker 4: When my ship came man, I ran the table, never 814 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,600 Speaker 4: thought I could fall down. 815 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,799 Speaker 6: The winter time hit me like a canon the ball, 816 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:43,200 Speaker 6: and now I can't shape this losing stream. Every road 817 00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:47,320 Speaker 6: I take is a dead end stream. 818 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,680 Speaker 3: I got thoughts in my head, can't. 819 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,880 Speaker 4: Get them trying not to think what I'm thinking about. 820 00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,800 Speaker 3: I've got Thou in my head. I can't get them out, 821 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,480 Speaker 3: trying not a thing I'm thinking about.