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Speaker 1: Emily King.
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Speaker 3: Our guest today is Grammy nominated singer, songwriter, musician, and
Speaker 3: our dear friend Emily King.
Speaker 1: All around great human. Anytime her name comes up, I
Speaker 1: feel like she knows a lot of people, and her
Speaker 1: name comes up a lot around other people that we
Speaker 1: don't know know her, and it's always.
Speaker 4: Like Emily King. I love her.
Speaker 3: She's just like the sweetest, warmest bitter music too, and they're.
Speaker 1: Always her music and I love her. She's so sweet,
Speaker 1: she's the best.
Speaker 3: She has roots in New York City from the Lower
Speaker 3: East Side, and she's from a musical family, which you'll
Speaker 3: hear about in this episode.
Speaker 1: We actually toured with her last summer, so if you
Speaker 1: came to any shows in the States last July. She
Speaker 1: may have been opening. True. If you know Emily King,
Speaker 1: you're stoked to hear this episode, And if you don't
Speaker 1: know her, you're gonna be super excited that you do.
Speaker 3: She has a new album that came out last month
Speaker 3: called Special Occasion.
Speaker 1: We're going to do a few songs from that album.
Speaker 3: It's a very beautiful collection of songs that really hits
Speaker 3: you in the fields.
Speaker 1: Yes, it does. Check her out on tour. Check out
Speaker 1: her new album. Check out this episode. We had a
Speaker 1: lot of fun enjoy Emily King.
Speaker 5: I was not already the deal gave me a heart.
Speaker 6: I was still falling. But since that moment, I guess
Speaker 6: up here in your knee wondering batch.
Speaker 5: Oh wait, come back, George, come back, come back, George,
Speaker 5: just come back.
Speaker 1: I just need enough chance.
Speaker 4: Chance to make it better.
Speaker 5: Come back, George, come back, come back, Jorge to come back.
Speaker 4: I just need another chance.
Speaker 7: Chest to make it better.
Speaker 8: I was unhappy the day you left on my door.
Speaker 8: I was just feeling U shu.
Speaker 4: So love mischief.
Speaker 7: No, I can honestly.
Speaker 5: Shave ready to love. Oh come back, Judge to come back,
Speaker 5: come back. Chuge just come back.
Speaker 6: I just need another chance.
Speaker 4: Chest, just make a bit better. Come back, Judge, come back, comeback,
Speaker 4: Charge to come back. I just need enough chance, chest
Speaker 4: to make it better.
Speaker 6: Oh to think that he would be resting in my arms.
Speaker 9: However shall you George?
Speaker 4: How can be.
Speaker 1: You?
Speaker 4: Judge come in, come back to come back. I just
Speaker 4: need another chance. I just need a chest to make
Speaker 4: it better. Come back, Judge to come back. I want
Speaker 4: let you go. Comey, come back. I just need another chance,
Speaker 4: chance just to make it better.
Speaker 6: Come back, Judge, come back, come back.
Speaker 4: Jorge, just come back.
Speaker 5: I just need another chance, chance to make it better.
Speaker 5: Come back, George to come back, come back, George, just
Speaker 5: come back.
Speaker 4: I just need another chance, chest to make it better.
Speaker 1: That was great. That was really fun. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm getting that was so fun. Beautiful.
Speaker 10: Oh my god, I love.
Speaker 1: We were doing good on the switching.
Speaker 4: I liked it.
Speaker 1: I was. I was kind of bowing right, thank you.
Speaker 1: Such a beautiful song. I was actually nervous to do
Speaker 1: this woman, you because I've seen you do it so
Speaker 1: much live with Jeremy, but also I've seen you online
Speaker 1: do it with many other people. Really, I feel like
Speaker 1: I've seen you do it Okay, maybe that's an exactation.
Speaker 11: I sound like a real SLUTU.
Speaker 1: I saw you do it Jacob Collier online. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: And then I did this podcast with Lucas Nelson and
Speaker 1: he said something about how he did it with you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I guess in my mind it's everybody everyone's it's
Speaker 1: everyone everyone's now. Like I was nervous because, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a beautiful song, thank you, and it's really interesting. The
Speaker 1: chord changes are very atypical and beautiful. Thanks. I love
Speaker 1: all the sevens and like, you know, if you were
Speaker 1: to just write the straight chords and play them triad style,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't sound right. All those extensions make a difference.
Speaker 12: Well, Jeremy had just taught me that chord he did
Speaker 12: win Yeah, yeah, he's he's like, you need another chord
Speaker 12: in your repertoire.
Speaker 1: Wait which one is it? Just like you know which? Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's all those ways. Yeah. And someone had asked me
Speaker 1: to write them a song.
Speaker 12: Yeah, And I went to their concert and I said, oh, well,
Speaker 12: I think it should be the most simple song for
Speaker 12: this singer because the singing is very simple.
Speaker 1: And so I went home and I like.
Speaker 12: I had this new chord in my pocket, and I
Speaker 12: was like, started doing, let me get this, I'd like
Speaker 12: to start with the groove.
Speaker 1: So I was doing, and then and then I wrote
Speaker 1: it for him to sing to a woman. Georgia. Yeah, ah,
Speaker 1: I was wondering.
Speaker 12: Yeah, Georgia, I know, but you know, you get into
Speaker 12: the story, so it became something else. And and then
Speaker 12: I remember singing it to Jeremy. Well, should you say, George.
Speaker 1: George, I thought you were a lesbian, But no, I mean,
Speaker 1: who knows, who knows? It could be in my future exactly.
Speaker 1: But that's interesting you for someone else, like thinking about
Speaker 1: it from someone else's perspective. Yes, it made it so
Speaker 1: much easier to write it. That's so cool. I should
Speaker 1: do that more.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I forget to get to like do that to
Speaker 12: get out of your head.
Speaker 1: It's hard to sometimes it's so much easier to just
Speaker 1: write your own deep emotions. Sometimes it's better. I do
Speaker 1: find that. Yeah, usually it's better. Yeah, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I think writing from an emotional place is usually better.
Speaker 1: And sometimes it gets a little cliche and in your
Speaker 1: feelings in the most basic way. But I think if
Speaker 1: you mean it when you're singing it, yeah, it doesn't
Speaker 1: sound like that.
Speaker 12: Yes, and it's there's no too much. It's like there's
Speaker 12: always going to be a time when you need to
Speaker 12: circle back to that thing.
Speaker 1: And there's always going to be someone who feels that way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you can always change little things. You can tweak
Speaker 1: it a little so that it's not too you know
Speaker 1: straight up. Yeah, I don't want to.
Speaker 12: I mean I tend to go yeah, yeah, because it
Speaker 12: feels good, will do right. It feels it's like that's
Speaker 12: the that's the the medicine is to like get into that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. Well, I love all those diminished chords.
Speaker 1: Those are my things now, I know they are. I
Speaker 1: don't feel like you hear a lot of diminished chords
Speaker 1: in non sort of jazz settings. Yeah, you know. I
Speaker 1: like how they add that. I love. Yeah, your background
Speaker 1: comes through, yeah, you know. Yeah, the jazz. The jazz
Speaker 1: is always there. It's a good foundation. Yeah. I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you about your parents. Oh yeah, they're the
Speaker 1: jazz musicians. There's jazz singers.
Speaker 12: Well they when I was a kid, they were okay,
Speaker 12: they've they've evolved into well, my dad is all straight.
Speaker 1: Ahead jazz, okay, you know, he's the cat and mom
Speaker 1: is like.
Speaker 12: This beautiful composer and this that's so cool sort of
Speaker 12: has all different genres within her. But they saying, do
Speaker 12: you know Lambert Hendrickson Ross?
Speaker 1: So they were doing that style when I was a kid. Whoa, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very.
Speaker 12: Cloppers, Yeah, clappers, lots of diminished chords, lots of singing, lots.
Speaker 1: Of lyrics and yeah, but it was good. It was
Speaker 1: It was like a very rich music to have first,
Speaker 1: and then I got into like R and B and
Speaker 1: hip hop in the nineties. Okay, that's kind of that
Speaker 1: was the time to complete sense for what I'm hearing.
Speaker 1: That's that's the perfect combo. I love that. Did you
Speaker 1: grow up listening to R and B, R and B?
Speaker 1: I did?
Speaker 12: Yeah in the water right, Yeah, of course it was
Speaker 12: the popular music and we only had the radio.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I loved the radio. And I got really
Speaker 1: into jazz in high school and I stopped listening to
Speaker 1: the radio so much, but it was there too because
Speaker 1: there was all this crossover hip hop and jazz musicians, right,
Speaker 1: so it was still kind of like part of my orbit. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the best. It's the best. Yeah, the nineties I've
Speaker 1: seen you d you see ninety the nineties and nineties.
Speaker 1: Who would have known it would have come back around?
Speaker 1: I know. I think at the time I didn't. I
Speaker 1: wasn't really into anything popular posts a certain year, and
Speaker 1: then now it's just like that's all I can that's
Speaker 1: all I want to hear.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's also the nostalgia there is. I don't know
Speaker 12: what I'm nostalgic for exactly, because like.
Speaker 1: I hated in school.
Speaker 12: I was so so insecure and so really so middle
Speaker 12: school is the worst, the worst. You're like trying to
Speaker 12: fit in and try to you know, it so hard. Yeah,
Speaker 12: and you grew up in New York City.
Speaker 1: I did. I'm down in downtown, downtown. They call it Nolita. Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: it wasn't called that was No, it's just just like Manhattan, Yeah, downtowntown, Yeah,
Speaker 1: all encompassing.
Speaker 12: Yes, before the whole foods and before you know, there
Speaker 12: was more empty space, less people, less people.
Speaker 1: Boy, that's the thing.
Speaker 12: I guess if I'm nostalgic, it's for that, for that.
Speaker 1: Sort of less people.
Speaker 11: Yeah, that would be very less people, less stores, less
Speaker 11: pressure to you know, you go outside with a plastic
Speaker 11: bag in your hand, sweatpants and flip flops, and I
Speaker 11: remember there was a certain point in my adolescence where
Speaker 11: I was like, oh my god, I have to look
Speaker 11: cute out.
Speaker 12: To leave to go outside, because there's all these good
Speaker 12: looking people around now. Yeah, like, oh I'm I have
Speaker 12: you know, maybe that wasn't real, the real situation, but
Speaker 12: that's how you felt. Yeah, because like all these supermodels
Speaker 12: started showing up and like Europeans and people fancy people.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Oh and then they started fixing the cracks in the sidewalk.
Speaker 1: Like, oh, here we go. I got to figure out
Speaker 1: my style. Man, your style, but you have such a
Speaker 1: good style. Thanks, yeah trying you didn't. Oh god, you're
Speaker 1: in a fashion you're junior high.
Speaker 12: I was. It sounds I sound like an old person
Speaker 12: when I say this, but I'm older. All the kids
Speaker 12: are wearing what I was wearing, you know, like the
Speaker 12: Billie Eilish stuff, like you know, we had baggy north
Speaker 12: face and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all come full circle. Yeah.
Speaker 12: So yeah, at some point a couple of years ago,
Speaker 12: I was like, I'm gonna wear mostly black because I
Speaker 12: don't know how to do like other things. I don't
Speaker 12: really know how to combine, Like you have a pretty.
Speaker 1: This is all I have I only this is the
Speaker 1: only thing I own with the color. I mostly just
Speaker 1: really Yeah, it's easy, it's easier to like, it's kind
Speaker 1: of easier always dressy looking. I like the idea of
Speaker 1: having a uniform, yes for life exactly and stage hopefully. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like two things and either every color or six of
Speaker 1: them in black. Yes, it's just we do you do that?
Speaker 1: If I find a shoe that I like, I just buy.
Speaker 10: I do do that. I have.
Speaker 1: I have a T shirt that I have at least
Speaker 1: eight pairs of the exact same shirt, same color. It's
Speaker 1: like a dark gray, and I think people think it's
Speaker 1: very soft. It is. I'll send you the All Saints
Speaker 1: took me up All Saints shimmer shirt. It's not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's pretty good. Yeah.
Speaker 12: When you find something you like, send me more anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's good jingle.
Speaker 10: I will do it.
Speaker 1: All Saints bad they give me for that damn shirt.
Speaker 1: I also kind of wear them out. Do you do
Speaker 1: you get holes in your shirts from your guitar? I
Speaker 1: you don't practice that much. Yeah, well there you go.
Speaker 12: Well I get holes from the moths up here really,
Speaker 12: like in the wintertime, and I used to I used
Speaker 12: to wear out my jeans pretty like when I find
Speaker 12: jeans that like, I'll wear them every day. I can't
Speaker 12: wear pants, yeah, no, I want to do dresses, but
Speaker 12: I don't know. I've just always it's just been a
Speaker 12: tick with me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It just depends on your body type too, Like
Speaker 1: I had a high waist, so pants hit me in
Speaker 1: the wrong spot. Yeah, they're always too tight up top,
Speaker 1: so they're too tight on me too. But I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just like sacrifice pain. I have to tell myself
Speaker 1: don't wear heels anymore because my feet are like hurting.
Speaker 1: Do you so? Do your parents still live in the city.
Speaker 1: They do.
Speaker 12: Everyone's in the city. My dad is on the Upper
Speaker 12: West Side. My mom's still in the place I grew
Speaker 12: up in. Really yeah, that is really special. I feel
Speaker 12: like that's like not everybody gets to go back home, like,
Speaker 12: oh wow, you know, it's a nice way to say it,
Speaker 12: That's how I would way to put it.
Speaker 10: No, it is.
Speaker 12: It's funny going back home because there is so much
Speaker 12: Even when I walk down some of the same streets
Speaker 12: in the city, I feel like I'm not making progress
Speaker 12: in my life. It's a weird mental They're changing so
Speaker 12: much I think I really need new things. I need
Speaker 12: like constantly. That's why I love touring and traveling, because
Speaker 12: you just feel like a new person. So sometimes when
Speaker 12: I go back home, it's like I have a time
Speaker 12: limit how long I can be there, otherwise I start
Speaker 12: feeling like a kid again. I guess I when everyone
Speaker 12: has that.
Speaker 1: Mothers have a way of me like that, I turned
Speaker 1: into a thirteen year old even though we're not in
Speaker 1: the same You do too, I do. But also I
Speaker 1: feel like, if you're going back to the house you
Speaker 1: grew up in the place you grew up, it's definitely
Speaker 1: gotta feel like that. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 12: Or like she'll say things like, oh, but you never
Speaker 12: you know, you don't like doing this, and I'm like
Speaker 12: that was when I was.
Speaker 1: Eight years old. I didn't like you know. I'm like,
Speaker 1: can we refresh?
Speaker 11: You're bringing me back in time to my old insecurities
Speaker 11: and my old problems.
Speaker 1: That's a family thing.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's a family thing. Hard Do you have the
Speaker 12: place you grew up in?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Did you? Guys, we moved around a lot when
Speaker 1: I was a kid, so I was set. It was fine,
Speaker 1: you have to make a new friend different. I don't
Speaker 1: have a lot of friends from growing up. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have one friend I reconnected with, but we didn't talk
Speaker 1: for like twenty years. So oh wow, it's not like
Speaker 1: we were always friends, right, But really, because I moved
Speaker 1: around a lot, I didn't keep a lot of friends
Speaker 1: from pre high school. That makes sense, which kind of
Speaker 1: that's you have siblings. I have a half sister. Oh,
Speaker 1: but we did not grow up together. Okay, so yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just me and my mom. And wow, we
Speaker 1: moved a lot, and we moved a lot weirdly in
Speaker 1: the same area, so it would be like not it
Speaker 1: would be like the same neighboring town, but a different
Speaker 1: school district. Interesting, so you know what I mean? Where
Speaker 1: was that in Texas? Oh, I'm going to grape Vine,
Speaker 1: cotgl Yeah, but no accent because you moved around maybe
Speaker 1: well it was mostly in Texas. Yeah, but I also,
Speaker 1: I've been in New York since nineteen ninety ninety.
Speaker 12: Oh no, it's party like it's nineteen ninety night.
Speaker 1: And I was born in New York but I really Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you know what hospital Mount SINAI? Ooh, and I lived.
Speaker 1: I think we lived on twenty fourth in Lexington. Wow,
Speaker 1: so I was three or four and then we moved
Speaker 1: to Texas. Amazing. Yeah, so you're in New Yorker. Wow.
Speaker 1: I always felt like I was. Yeah, but you know
Speaker 1: those formative first three years. Yeah yeah, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I definitely am in Texan. Yeah.
Speaker 12: But you lived in the city too, Yeah, yeah for
Speaker 12: a long time. What neighborhood for the last twenty years.
Speaker 1: I think it was like, you know, East Village, West Village,
Speaker 1: at some Brooklyn, some Usburg, some South Brooklyn.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I moved on. That's cool. I like moving. I
Speaker 1: also like the sense of home. But I love touring.
Speaker 1: You do to, of course they do. I also, I
Speaker 1: don't know, some people really don't enjoy People don't enjoy it,
Speaker 1: and I understand, but there's different reasons for that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I also feel like I tour in a
Speaker 1: fashion that is really fortunate because I, you know, had
Speaker 1: success early so I can have a tour bus. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Some people don't like a tour bus even but I
Speaker 1: find it super comfy. That's good because I have to
Speaker 1: go on tour and a tour bus. Are you going
Speaker 1: on a bus?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 12: And it's been four years since I have done that. Yeah,
Speaker 12: And I actually was sort of dreading it a little
Speaker 12: bit really, because because I'm so used to home, or
Speaker 12: I've been home so long that you know, I don't know,
Speaker 12: I sort of dread anything that I have to do.
Speaker 10: I'm kind I'm kind of like that.
Speaker 12: So the point that I'm in there and then you're
Speaker 12: like in it, yeah, and then I'm like, oh, it
Speaker 12: was fun, then I start I don't want to go home.
Speaker 1: You know we're dreading this. No this, I want this.
Speaker 12: I wasn't dreading. I knew everything in that when I'm
Speaker 12: glad we were scheduled because that was I was a
Speaker 12: little bit dicey. Yeah, I didn't want to rush, but no,
Speaker 12: you had to go to Europe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool, it's fun. You went. Are you doing
Speaker 1: press for your new record? Yes? That is exciting. That's exciting. Well,
Speaker 1: that always feels like a lot of like anxiety before
Speaker 1: you put out a record, like you're done with it
Speaker 1: and you're excited about it and you know you like
Speaker 1: it or love it, but then you have to go
Speaker 1: talk about it. It's kind of a funny in between
Speaker 1: place before it comes out right it is.
Speaker 12: I'm not a good salesman, so I'm trying, like I
Speaker 12: really want to do my best to make the record
Speaker 12: heard by people, but I don't. You know, It's funny
Speaker 12: because you have these conversations with the Lake and they're like, well,
Speaker 12: what is the album about?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: They want to know how to sell it?
Speaker 12: Yeah, so yeah, what is it about? And let's get
Speaker 12: to dirt.
Speaker 1: We want to know, you know.
Speaker 12: So I'm like, well, it's I was working in a brothel,
Speaker 12: you know.
Speaker 1: And then I got Then I had to get sober,
Speaker 1: you know. I'm trying to come up with this like
Speaker 1: oh bye, and then I don't know.
Speaker 12: I could think of I couldn't think of anything. And
Speaker 12: it's basically, I don't know that what people will take
Speaker 12: from the record is what it's actually about.
Speaker 1: Well said, it's not great to tell people what something's
Speaker 1: about because then they have these preconceived ideas. That's right,
Speaker 1: And I think the reason music is so beautiful is
Speaker 1: that you can put it out there and people can
Speaker 1: relate to it however they want to.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: I totally are really yes, I totally agree people, yeah,
Speaker 1: especially to sell music now because it's hard to They
Speaker 1: really want they want to have like a hook and
Speaker 1: story for people.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's like, is it a makeup album? Is it
Speaker 12: a break about it's you know, so it's sort of
Speaker 12: hard to explain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't have to explain it to me. Oh,
Speaker 1: thank you the one place because already no, right, I
Speaker 1: know you do. But I'm also like, I just love
Speaker 1: getting inside these new songs. Thank you, Thank you for
Speaker 1: listening to them. Yeah, I mean I think we should
Speaker 1: do one and then it would be fun get to
Speaker 1: make their own decisions.
Speaker 12: Yeah, they could hate it, you know, move on to
Speaker 12: the next broad exactly.
Speaker 1: No, No, nothing's fraudulent here. Should we try that one?
Speaker 1: You did a song with Lucas. Yeah, Lucas it Nell says.
Speaker 1: He's so sweet. He really is a sweetheart. And his
Speaker 1: voice it's beautiful, so beautiful. He just keeps getting better
Speaker 1: and better. I love what you guys did together. We
Speaker 1: had so much fun because I've known him forever, but
Speaker 1: we've got to like sit and actually be together for
Speaker 1: a few hours and play music and talk and it
Speaker 1: was beautiful. I've never met him really. No, what, Oh,
Speaker 1: and you did this online? So you did like a remote?
Speaker 1: Did you actually see each other online or do you
Speaker 1: just send stuff back and forth? We just sent stuff
Speaker 1: back and forth. That's so crazy, right, I know, it's funny,
Speaker 1: it's crazy.
Speaker 12: I feel like I know him because I'm on his
Speaker 12: Instagram page all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's easy to get to know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that's a nice way to say. Yeah, in
Speaker 1: a good way, Like he's he's open and he reaches
Speaker 1: out and he's super kind and loves He's a love.
Speaker 1: I'm sweet. All right, let me get my lyrics. Do
Speaker 1: you want to take a verse? You were me to
Speaker 1: take his verse? Yeah, if you're comfortable with it, I
Speaker 1: would love to so. Yeah. I love the song Let's
Speaker 1: check hioks, you look beautiful? Oh stop, you.
Speaker 7: Give me a bad.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 4: All this shows a good times we hid Toyllo reason
Speaker 4: loving you.
Speaker 13: All this makes me said, you are too hard to forget.
Speaker 13: I'm drowning and regret, oh darding.
Speaker 4: Won't you let me free? You still dream about the past.
Speaker 6: I'm rounding from it fast?
Speaker 4: Don't I want to ask about my story? I care?
Speaker 5: Let it be.
Speaker 4: I've got a bad, bad memory. You give me an
Speaker 4: age in my.
Speaker 14: Everything reminds me you used to have a kind red collection. Everything,
Speaker 14: every memory just makes me you are to how to forget.
Speaker 13: I'm drowning in redred, Oh dared, and won't you let
Speaker 13: me free? Extusie about the best I'm riding from it fast.
Speaker 4: Don't ask about my story. I care letting it be.
Speaker 9: I've got a bad bad memory. You are too how
Speaker 9: to fucket?
Speaker 14: I'm drowning men regret, Oh God, and won't you let
Speaker 14: me free?
Speaker 4: You still dream about the best story? Riding from it first?
Speaker 4: Don't ask by my story.
Speaker 15: I can't let it be.
Speaker 9: I've got a bad bad memory.
Speaker 4: I care let it be.
Speaker 9: I've got a bad bad memory.
Speaker 4: You'll let it be. I've got a bad bad memory.
Speaker 1: It's a perfect ending. It was good. That was awesome.
Speaker 1: That was so pretty. I messed up a lyric, but
Speaker 1: I kind of fixed it was perfect. Okay, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't know how much everything is. Lucas is gonna call
Speaker 1: me and be you had a lyric, dear you, that's
Speaker 1: so cool. Though you wrote this with Lucas too, or
Speaker 1: he just sang on it. He's sang on this one
Speaker 1: so well.
Speaker 12: So he definitely inspired this one because his song Georgia,
Speaker 12: when we did that Georgia exchange, it got in my psyche.
Speaker 1: And when I started writing this, I was like, oh.
Speaker 12: I hear Lucas's voice on here, and only later did
Speaker 12: I realize it was directly like inspired.
Speaker 1: Is kind of similar. So I called him up. I
Speaker 1: was like, am I ripping you off? Is this okay? Oh?
Speaker 1: Well that's great, that's one way to do so I.
Speaker 12: Think he you know, if all people understands how songwriting works,
Speaker 12: it's like you get inspired and things, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that there is no songwriting
Speaker 1: without being inspired by other songs, right, That's what I think.
Speaker 1: We don't come up with everything, no, though, I will
Speaker 1: say I've been listening to a lot of pop radio
Speaker 1: with my kids. Oh, and there are definitely a few
Speaker 1: songs that, like production and everything are clearly ripping off
Speaker 1: songs from the nineties Hello we grew up with. But
Speaker 1: it's funny because I don't realize it at first, and
Speaker 1: I just love the song. Yeah, you're like, why this
Speaker 1: is a jam?
Speaker 12: I'm into this, like that weekend song. I just realized
Speaker 12: what is from the nineties that song?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't remember what song writing now, But so
Speaker 1: he's well, he sings a song that I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's I don't want to know if you're playing me, I.
Speaker 12: Don't know it's on the radio all the time. But
Speaker 12: I was like, that's familiar, and it's from the night.
Speaker 12: It's a total cover from the night.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's an actual sound like Grandma, Yes, where Granny
Speaker 1: is by actual cover. But it's fine, like sometimes I am,
Speaker 1: but it's good sometimes. Also when they use that production
Speaker 1: and blatantly copy it, yeah, it's like clearly not an accident. Actually,
Speaker 1: I just love it even more so I don't really care,
Speaker 1: you know what, like when did we when? When did
Speaker 1: we decide that it was bad to do something again?
Speaker 1: You know, I guess, I guess if the original person
Speaker 1: never got paid well paid a lot, that's the answer.
Speaker 1: That's when it matters. That's when it's bad.
Speaker 12: Yeah, if you're not, you're yeah, totally I know so.
Speaker 1: But if they are, then it's really good. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: great for everyone. The spread the money, spread it around,
Speaker 1: and you know some folks need that so especially back
Speaker 1: in the day. Ye, back in the day, what kind
Speaker 1: of deals they were doing? God, speaking of deals, I
Speaker 1: do have a question for you. Okay, when we went
Speaker 1: on a walk, Yeah, you told me something I didn't know, really, Yeah.
Speaker 10: You when did so?
Speaker 1: Okay? Wait, what order should I ask it. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: You told me.
Speaker 1: You told me that you got signed by Clive Davis. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is that a secretor no? Oh yeah, okay, that's crazy.
Speaker 12: That was Peter peters Edge was the anara there that
Speaker 12: really put me on and then brought me to Clive.
Speaker 1: What year was this, This was two thousand and three. Okay, yeah, so,
Speaker 1: and that was around the time that Clive had Alicia Keys. Yes,
Speaker 1: she was. She was so, she was huge, she was.
Speaker 1: They would send me clip pictures of her like, Okay,
Speaker 1: first of all, I love Alicia. Oh I love her
Speaker 1: so much.
Speaker 12: So I'm just but it was back in the day
Speaker 12: I had a different idea of her because they were like,
Speaker 12: you need to be Alicia Keys. They were trying to
Speaker 12: just have you be the next Yeah, They're like, you
Speaker 12: have a guitar and she has a piano.
Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 12: It was really like not good for a young person
Speaker 12: to compare themselves constantly with someone else, but they were
Speaker 12: feeding that. Yeah, Like they sent me text message of
Speaker 12: like Alicia jogging on the beach with abs and they're
Speaker 12: like you should do that.
Speaker 7: You serious?
Speaker 1: It was like very strange. Okay, that is strange. It was.
Speaker 12: It was a strange environment, but I'm so grateful for
Speaker 12: it because all of these ideas I had about and
Speaker 12: I wanted that I wanted to be in the major
Speaker 12: label situation. And this was before the Internet, when it
Speaker 12: was still yeah yeah, I was like, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 12: going to be as big success, you know, And I
Speaker 12: learned all these valuable lessons along the way.
Speaker 1: And it was hard and it was all.
Speaker 12: The things, and then finally it wasn't a success, you know,
Speaker 12: and in retrospect, thank god, because it wasn't.
Speaker 1: Really what I was trying to do, Like musically was
Speaker 1: did you you made an album? Though? And yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I I so. I met CHUCKI.
Speaker 12: Thompson rest his soul, amazing Chucky Thompson, and he was
Speaker 12: my teacher and my guide through that process, and I
Speaker 12: signed a production deal with.
Speaker 1: Him, which is what you did back then.
Speaker 12: Yeah that's right, you know, and then through him, I
Speaker 12: signed with them, and then we had this like three
Speaker 12: years of artist development, which is.
Speaker 1: Like at a time at the salon, that's a wormhole.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it was, that is crazy. It was like writing
Speaker 12: with try this, yeah, try this, writer.
Speaker 1: Away that didn't fit, try this, Yeah, let's try this. Oh,
Speaker 1: we know, Oh you know what.
Speaker 12: We want you to sound like Lauren Hill. Here's her producers,
Speaker 12: and we want you to sound like D'Angelo here's his
Speaker 12: you know. So it was like constantly like, well when
Speaker 12: do I get a chance to.
Speaker 1: Figure out who I am?
Speaker 10: You know?
Speaker 1: And that sounds like a factory. It was. It was,
Speaker 1: and again like a lot. I learned a lot from it,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people come out of that that
Speaker 1: scenario finding themselves, but not not everyone. Yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: mean I could.
Speaker 12: I thank god I had the support around me and
Speaker 12: my family and you know, they were just keeping me honest.
Speaker 1: I kind of Yeah, you have to have someone keeping
Speaker 1: you honest, or you have to sucked into whatever it
Speaker 1: is that people are telling you to do. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and you'll start singing about stuff that five years down
Speaker 1: the line, you're gonna be like, I'm never gonna say
Speaker 1: those words again.
Speaker 12: I know my whole first record, I mean, I put
Speaker 12: so much time and effort into it, and I remember
Speaker 12: it got nominated for a Grammy.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 16: I know.
Speaker 1: See, I don't really know a lot about your history.
Speaker 1: Well that's fine, amazing talk about.
Speaker 12: I just bring that up to say, like I remember
Speaker 12: being at this Grammy party and just feeling like not
Speaker 12: one hundred percent confident because I came from this really
Speaker 12: really musical upbringing, and I knew that I had made
Speaker 12: compromises with the record that I made, you know, and
Speaker 12: that felt really bad to me because it was always
Speaker 12: music first in my life with my family, and then
Speaker 12: at some point it became like hairstyle first, or fashion
Speaker 12: or you know, fame, fame first.
Speaker 1: It got caught up in that machine.
Speaker 12: Yeah, the people said, well, do it our way now,
Speaker 12: and when that's a success, you can do it your way.
Speaker 1: And it's so backwards it works. It actually doesn't ever work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because people people can hear even if they don't know
Speaker 1: anything about songwriting or production or they don't care, they
Speaker 1: can hear your heart through the through the radio. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, and there we was.
Speaker 12: There was definitely people who would tell me that then anyway,
Speaker 12: it was what it was, and I'm grateful for it,
Speaker 12: and you know, you.
Speaker 1: Got a great story after that. I got dropped, I
Speaker 1: got fired, And did that feel like a relief or
Speaker 1: a failure at that time? Both?
Speaker 12: Yeah, because I didn't have any money, of course, yeah,
Speaker 12: you're a musician, and I didn't have an. I was
Speaker 12: happy to part ways musically that didn't work out, and
Speaker 12: like having an an art you know, although shout out
Speaker 12: to Peter because he's, you know, an important person in
Speaker 12: my in my development. No, that's part of their they're
Speaker 12: in the machine too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 12: But I fortunately met my producer just as I was
Speaker 12: leaving them, who was my guitar player at the time,
Speaker 12: and then he became my producer, Jeremy most So there
Speaker 12: was like a transition. That's a good transition.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Was I was lucky? Wow? Well I didn't know
Speaker 1: any of that. Yeah, it's kind of crazy. Did you
Speaker 1: have those experiences? I didn't I had. I was doing
Speaker 1: jazz gigs and then I was I had just started
Speaker 1: writing songs. I had only been to New York about
Speaker 1: eight months. Wow. I dropped out of jam Texas. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I dropped out of jazz college and I moved to
Speaker 1: New York after the right choice. Wow, I mean, what
Speaker 1: do you say? It like that? But I learned a
Speaker 1: lot and then I left when I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't want to get a degree in education. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think that's what I'm going to do.
Speaker 1: But I came and I was doing jazz gigs around town,
Speaker 1: but mostly in restaurants because I mean I hadn't even
Speaker 1: I couldn't even get a gig at a club, right,
Speaker 1: you know, I wasn't even that scene. Yeah, But then
Speaker 1: I started hanging out the living room. Did you ever
Speaker 1: hang out there? No?
Speaker 12: That was before my year younger. They closed after it room.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, so I started hanging out with Jesse, Harris,
Speaker 1: Richard Julian, all these songwriters. We became really good friends.
Speaker 1: And at a certain point, Jesse booked a gig for
Speaker 1: me to sing his songs at the living room because
Speaker 1: it was a songwriter a club, right, And so I
Speaker 1: was singing his songs and I threw in like the
Speaker 1: two songs I wrote, and my bass player at the time,
Speaker 1: Lee Alexander, was writing songs. So we did a few
Speaker 1: of his songs. Oh that's cool. And then I was
Speaker 1: doing some jazz gig and someone saw me and liked
Speaker 1: the way I was singing and playing and got me
Speaker 1: a meeting with Bruce len Vallave Luno. Wow, and then
Speaker 1: they ended up signing I did the same thing. It
Speaker 1: was like a demo deal. It gave me money to
Speaker 1: make some more recordings. It wasn't the same thing because
Speaker 1: it wasn't a full on production, wasn't like a sixth
Speaker 1: album deal. No, And they weren't. They weren't involved in
Speaker 1: the recordings I was making so much. But I think
Speaker 1: the general idea was try to work on the songwriting
Speaker 1: project and not the straight ahead jazz project, and it
Speaker 1: ended up becoming the record was that little band with
Speaker 1: Jesse and Lee.
Speaker 12: Do you think that's because I mean, because there wasn't
Speaker 12: pressure for it to be the record or I think, well,
Speaker 12: there was this whole roundabout thing where I actually ended
Speaker 12: up using a producer.
Speaker 1: I really loved Craig Street, who did a great job
Speaker 1: producing the kind of music I wanted to because I
Speaker 1: was in love with Cassandra Wilson that record daughter, Do
Speaker 1: you know that record? Is that one with Harvest Meat? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's the best beautiful. I loved that record.
Speaker 1: I still do, and so I got Craig to produce it,
Speaker 1: and Craig did a great job. But it was very
Speaker 1: dark and moody, kind of like you know, it wasn't
Speaker 1: a lot like that record. It was very much not
Speaker 1: trying to be that record, but it had more of
Speaker 1: a dark moodiness, and we ended up going back and
Speaker 1: using like some of the demos I made for the record. Wow,
Speaker 1: And so I didn't know. It didn't sound like the
Speaker 1: same situation. It sounded a little more free. Nice. You
Speaker 1: loved it. I loved it, But I loved it. I
Speaker 1: did love it, but I also was twenty two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was still fake, like I loved singing Jesse songs,
Speaker 1: but I didn't want to do that. Only right, because
Speaker 1: you're a songwriter, Well, I wasn't yet. I only had
Speaker 1: like two songs on that record. I was just starting
Speaker 1: to write songs and I was scared of it, right,
Speaker 1: And so now I feel very confident saying I'm a songwriter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: then I didn't, right, I still finding myself. But I
Speaker 1: definitely felt like I had some room to do that.
Speaker 1: But you were such a good storyteller. Of the songs
Speaker 1: that were on that record, it felt like it was
Speaker 1: your song. Some of them felt like my songs. I mean.
Speaker 1: I also, I think because I grew up singing jazz, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was all right trying to sell those stories, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: did you grow up singing jazz? Yeah with your parents? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite favorite song? Maybe we used
Speaker 1: to go to our tur We still do.
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, I love our tur My dad would teach
Speaker 12: a vocal class there with the incredible Harry Whittaker. Am
Speaker 12: it was since past, but he was an angel, and
Speaker 12: you know, all the singers would go there and I
Speaker 12: would always sing if.
Speaker 1: You could see me now.
Speaker 12: I don't know why I related so much of that
Speaker 12: song as a youth, If you could see me now,
Speaker 12: you know how blu up been. But there's just so
Speaker 12: many incredible songs. I mean, so many off the top
Speaker 12: of my head. I can't remember.
Speaker 1: I know, it's it's hard to remember. I was thinking
Speaker 1: of a We'd bust one. Do you have a favorite one?
Speaker 1: It's hard for me too. I used to saying, I'll
Speaker 1: be seeing you.
Speaker 6: Oh.
Speaker 1: And it was a straight ripoff of Edda James's version,
Speaker 1: which was a Billie Holiday tribute. So it was like
Speaker 1: a twice removed ripoff. Yeah, but in a beautiful way.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it gets better when it's it's just like it's
Speaker 1: like the game of telephone. It just keeps changing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they keep changing.
Speaker 12: Certainly, I don't always love the original recordings of things. Yeah,
Speaker 12: but it never entered my mind, is so uh Harry
Speaker 12: used to play that all the time. Really so beautiful.
Speaker 4: So when I do you say the let me play.
Speaker 17: So uneasy minch.
Speaker 6: It never entered myma, what you told me.
Speaker 4: That I'd awaken.
Speaker 1: Thought it's so pretty, little snippet and then they'll kill
Speaker 1: me because they have to get clearance for everything.
Speaker 4: So pretty.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's so beautiful. Have you ever thought
Speaker 1: of doing a jazz record? Is too close to him?
Speaker 12: I don't think I sing jazz very well. You don't
Speaker 12: think about that yet.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 12: I honestly get really nervous when I sing jazz.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 12: That's fine, just feels like such a it has to
Speaker 12: be represented, you know.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. I also feel like if your parents grew
Speaker 1: up singing more of a Lambert Hendricks and rastyle, which
Speaker 1: is completely opposite of what I grew up kind of
Speaker 1: playing that's also with its own weight, like history, like
Speaker 1: a jazz history style, almost as very complicated and complex. Yeah,
Speaker 1: totally hard to do, like a rhythmic. I think, yeah, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: what kind did you grow up? That is a lot
Speaker 1: of ballads? Yeah yeah, I did some like you know,
Speaker 1: mellow swing, but I could never play fast and I
Speaker 1: have this hilarious recording of me in high school Ska
Speaker 1: singing you know I tried it, don't fun. Don't ask
Speaker 1: me this gas, don't ask me. I have a friend
Speaker 1: Sasha Dobson. She actually does it really well and teastefully
Speaker 1: without it being you know that. It's a rare thing.
Speaker 1: It's rare. Yeah. I feel like only Ella could scat
Speaker 1: and not to scout like Ella. If I could scot
Speaker 1: like Ella, I would scat all the time. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would scatter all over the play taking easy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, that's a hard thing to pull off. Oh
Speaker 1: my god.
Speaker 12: My brother can scat really, and both my parents. But yeah,
Speaker 12: because it because the rhythmic thing that's part of that.
Speaker 1: Tradition, especially if you're in the Lambert Hendrickson Roth style
Speaker 1: of like Bbop and the Yeah. So that was that
Speaker 1: was cool. But yeah, the ballads and the ballads are
Speaker 1: the best. I could turn anything into a ballad. Hey,
Speaker 1: that's a good skill to have. Oh, speaking of completely
Speaker 1: opposite things, I saw your Thing with Mark Revier. Oh.
Speaker 4: I love Mark.
Speaker 1: He's amazing the best. I did the podcast with it.
Speaker 1: I saw that so fun. That is so cool. I
Speaker 1: love him. He went to my high school in Texas. Way, Oh,
Speaker 1: you're both from Texas, so much younger than me. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a lot younger than me. It was my man
Speaker 1: h school with me. Oh, I know, he's a big fan,
Speaker 1: you know him. I've known him for a long time.
Speaker 1: I've known him maybe two years. Oh okay, Yeah, was
Speaker 1: that like the first time you guys did anything together.
Speaker 12: Yeah, Jeremy sent me Marks when he was doing stuff
Speaker 12: from home in Texas. He was doing like reviews of records,
Speaker 12: and he did a review of our record. Oh that's
Speaker 12: so cool, it was, and I was like, oh, he's
Speaker 12: an interesting guy.
Speaker 4: And then.
Speaker 1: Then we talked a little bit online. And then.
Speaker 12: The street that I grew up on in Manhattan. Sorry,
Speaker 12: my brain just stopped working. When Biden won, I was
Speaker 12: standing on the corner of that street on Houston Street,
Speaker 12: and of course everybody is like.
Speaker 1: The cars are honking and everything, and here comes Mark
Speaker 1: on his.
Speaker 12: Wheeling around the corner and I'm already jumping up and down,
Speaker 12: and he jumps off of his bike and we start
Speaker 12: jumping up and down together.
Speaker 1: And that was the first time we met.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's so crazy.
Speaker 4: I know, it's weird.
Speaker 12: That is weird, but he just has that great energy
Speaker 12: about him, like he's so spontaneous and his energy is
Speaker 12: the best. That's the best energy. So it's fun because
Speaker 12: I was really nervous to do his show, his stream,
Speaker 12: but he's so not nervous that like instantly and it
Speaker 12: was just fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was nervous too, and I'm like, how do
Speaker 1: I prepare? Oh, you don't prepare when the music is
Speaker 1: all improvised on the spot. Yes, but you're jazz, so
Speaker 1: you're I'm used to improvising, but but I mean not
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah. But also he kind of carries it
Speaker 1: because he's got, you know, the stuff totally and if
Speaker 1: you don't do anything, he'll just keep going. So it's
Speaker 1: like fine, exactly, Yes, that's awesome. Yeah, he's pretty rad. Hey, Mark,
Speaker 1: you know he's listening. Should we do another song? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So we toured together last summer. Thank you so much fun.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you could do it.
Speaker 12: My friend is going to be in Portsmouth today, New Hampshire,
Speaker 12: and I.
Speaker 1: Was like, oh, we had the best time there.
Speaker 4: That was the best, the best.
Speaker 1: Hay, that venue was crazy. It was so fun.
Speaker 12: I hope you tell them to get there early. I know,
Speaker 12: well he's not playing though he's not playing, but he's
Speaker 12: just going to be in the town.
Speaker 1: Okay. But I had like happy memories, so I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: try this and go here. Yeah, that was such a
Speaker 1: fun gig. And this venue. I can't remember the name
Speaker 1: of the venue. Do you guys remember the name of
Speaker 1: the venue? Sarah just said Bank of New Hampshire Pavilion
Speaker 1: in Guildford, New Hampshire. They have this crazy artist friendly
Speaker 1: backstage area for those of you who haven't been there.
Speaker 1: And they have like fire pits, they have ping pong table.
Speaker 1: They have a swimming pool. That's right. Did you go swimming?
Speaker 1: Did not go? So after you left, I went swimming
Speaker 1: with the crew. That was pretty fun. Was it cold? No,
Speaker 1: it was heated. Oh my, come on, yeah, it was heated.
Speaker 1: It was gorgeous playground and they had a playground if
Speaker 1: you have kids. They had bikes and the food was
Speaker 1: I still have my mug. They had oysters. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: We don't always get fed like that backstae. No, it
Speaker 1: was too much. It was actually too much. They had
Speaker 1: like lobster. It was like too much and you couldn't
Speaker 1: take it on the bus because it was weird seafood,
Speaker 1: but it was delicious.
Speaker 12: I've never had that experience before and or since. Yeah, Oh,
Speaker 12: the bikes they had bikes. Could we could take the
Speaker 12: bikes to the lake and then jump in the lake.
Speaker 1: It was crazy. It was the best. Everybody, can we
Speaker 1: do another gig there? Please? Can we just do a weak? No?
Speaker 4: It was a camp.
Speaker 1: That's a good place to start a tour and right,
Speaker 1: definitely grown up camp. Yeah. It was so fun. And
Speaker 1: you we met a few years ago. Yeah, we met
Speaker 1: for men asks at a show, but we barely talked.
Speaker 1: And then we met again. You came to Chicago and
Speaker 1: that was so fun too, and it rained all day.
Speaker 12: I remember getting the email that that you had asked
Speaker 12: about tour and I was hiking. Oh cool, and I
Speaker 12: was like, oh, I just you know, sometimes you get
Speaker 12: a happy email.
Speaker 1: Oh good, that's great. I was so happy you wanted
Speaker 1: to do it, of course, and you did this. Saw
Speaker 1: my god, your show.
Speaker 12: That band was incredible, so much fun to watch.
Speaker 1: It was so much fun just all being together and
Speaker 1: the fact that you knew Chris already. It was like,
Speaker 1: it's cool Chris, good old Chris Morrissey. And you did
Speaker 1: this song distance every night. Oh yeah, such a jam. Thanks,
Speaker 1: it's fun. It was fun. Do you want to do it? No?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, the end, the end, it's done. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: you guys would do this song distance and it was
Speaker 1: it was a jam every night. You can do it.
Speaker 12: It's a it's a it's an ode to New York
Speaker 12: City living in tiny apartments.
Speaker 1: I could tell. I figured you could. Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: what this song is about. I'm pretty sure I've been there. Okay.
Speaker 1: I when I hear the song, all I can see
Speaker 1: is you dancing? Oh did I dance on this one?
Speaker 1: I feel like you did? I mean, did you dance
Speaker 1: on every jam?
Speaker 13: I do?
Speaker 1: I can't help myself. Wait, so are you Is your
Speaker 1: brother a dancer? Yes? Okay, he's a tap dancer. It's
Speaker 1: an amazing it's so fun. Thanks for noticing that I
Speaker 1: stalked you on Oh cute? Did you grow up dancing too? No?
Speaker 12: I tried tap dancing. Well, my parents put us in classes,
Speaker 12: but we did like Afro Caribbean, and we did like
Speaker 12: you know, but I never thought of myself as a dancer.
Speaker 12: I started playing guitar and singing, and I was really
Speaker 12: shy to move, to move around and then scary.
Speaker 1: You know, it is because that I'm not really that
Speaker 1: I'm not as good guitar as I'd like to be,
Speaker 1: And I think what liberated me.
Speaker 12: I don't There must have been a moment or a
Speaker 12: tour or something where I was like, Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 12: step out and do and dance.
Speaker 1: But I just just enjoy to stepping I really, but
Speaker 1: then I went too far.
Speaker 12: Now I look back at clips, I'm like, oh god,
Speaker 12: she's like I feel, and that's not cute. So I'm
Speaker 12: trying to find an now the sweet spot. I still
Speaker 12: haven't reached it, but yeah, I'm trying to find the
Speaker 12: sweet spot. I think you're dancing is infectious. When you
Speaker 12: perform things, it looks pretty natural as well.
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, I mean the fact that you say you're
Speaker 1: like shy about it is surprising to me.
Speaker 12: It's like I'm forcing myself to do to do things
Speaker 12: that are uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: That is, it's a good thing to do. And also
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like that at all, thank you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm the worst. I'll stand up there and I'll like
Speaker 1: start going backwards into the darkness of the back of
Speaker 1: the STA dance. No, come on, I dance like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like a weirdo. I think my kids have my style
Speaker 1: of dancing, like like a Lane from Seinfeld and she
Speaker 1: dances kind of like that where you're so happy to
Speaker 1: be doing it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is the weird thing.
Speaker 1: It's crazy stuff like that. That's more fun though than
Speaker 1: trying to dance cool. I feel like if I was
Speaker 1: dancing with my friends who don't give a crap, I
Speaker 1: can be silly and do like I like to inject
Speaker 1: some humor in my dance. Good, But if it was
Speaker 1: for real an audience, I don't think I can do
Speaker 1: it well.
Speaker 12: I really like I want to give them I want
Speaker 12: them to be allowed to dance. So I was like,
Speaker 12: as soon as I start moving, they feel more comfortable moving.
Speaker 1: That's fun. Well, it's fun when an audience dances. How
Speaker 1: did my audience do dancing?
Speaker 12: They were good, they really well. They were very polite.
Speaker 1: But did they dance? That's what I want to know,
Speaker 1: because I did not see them dancing. They were moving
Speaker 1: in the back.
Speaker 12: When people stand up, they yeah, I mean it's hard
Speaker 12: to dance when he's sitting down.
Speaker 1: It is hard. I have a great audience and they
Speaker 1: are really kind. Usually were very but they.
Speaker 12: Were danced, they were danced, they were so old they
Speaker 12: were in trance. They were dance instead of danced with
Speaker 12: your dance and tranced. The other thing is you can
Speaker 12: trip and fall, you know, so there's like a hazard
Speaker 12: dancing headset.
Speaker 1: Mic. Yeah, exactly, all right, M.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I love time to get up.
Speaker 4: I think you've been slipping till long.
Speaker 1: By.
Speaker 18: They started when you were still to see when it's
Speaker 18: too folks trying to get along, but it's hard to
Speaker 18: leave you.
Speaker 6: Ooh oh, love is always better when we did time.
Speaker 4: You'll get back to.
Speaker 1: When we.
Speaker 4: Born.
Speaker 13: Distance makes the hard even when only happened on that's
Speaker 13: your love.
Speaker 4: Is never f well we are.
Speaker 6: Distance makes the heart, It makes the leaves on the trees, four.
Speaker 4: Makes the hours in the day.
Speaker 6: Makes me want to cumb my head out a little
Speaker 6: cave rather the worst to s.
Speaker 4: And I know that I'm still free be anywhere that
Speaker 4: I want to be.
Speaker 13: Maybe get your rest up, bless something really pretty legen
Speaker 13: never seen.
Speaker 4: Oh, love is always better.
Speaker 6: I would take time and you'll get back to.
Speaker 4: Well we are. Distance makes it's.
Speaker 6: The heart, even when only having known that your.
Speaker 4: Love is never well we.
Speaker 1: Bar.
Speaker 4: Distance makes the heart heart hard heart, hot hat hot
Speaker 4: hot hot hot.
Speaker 7: When you love, it makes a heart.
Speaker 6: When you trust and makes the heart.
Speaker 1: And when you go, it makes.
Speaker 15: When we're alone, when we were pot in the meet,
Speaker 15: do love a fight or away to make it right?
Speaker 4: Where we go?
Speaker 16: We never fall in the light or in the dark
Speaker 16: on a plane a bill starts.
Speaker 9: In only or have a bar a horn along.
Speaker 4: Or raty to hard and think of me.
Speaker 6: I want to love you.
Speaker 14: I don't want to child to change the pace to
Speaker 14: your life. We get together, we make it good, and
Speaker 14: we get together.
Speaker 1: Love.
Speaker 18: Time to care about the you've been sleeping too long?
Speaker 18: Started on you still?
Speaker 10: He Yes, that was fun, Yes, yes, you is that good?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. I'm sorry to look at you more.
Speaker 1: I was trying to like the same.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was trying to not miss my my lyric. Okay.
Speaker 1: I was very like, it's this can be a challenging
Speaker 1: song to sing.
Speaker 10: So I was like, yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Weren't looking at me or you. I was wondering why
Speaker 1: I wasn't looking at you, know, I was singing. I
Speaker 1: hope I'm not that she doesn't mind that I'm not
Speaker 1: looking at No. I was like in my notes, don't
Speaker 1: miss that line. That's felt really good to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all good, Okay, good good, Yes, thanks. Oh that's funny.
Speaker 1: I wanted to dance, but you know I'm sitting.
Speaker 12: I wasn't dancing as much with that whole day dance
Speaker 12: intro was like being very still.
Speaker 1: You didn't dance at all. I can't believe you didn't dance.
Speaker 12: I know.
Speaker 1: Well, this has been so fun. Well, thanks for letting
Speaker 1: me play piano and that. I do love your guitar
Speaker 1: playing though, And when did you start When did you
Speaker 1: start playing guitar?
Speaker 12: When I was fifteen or sixteen? Steve Bloom okay, my
Speaker 12: amazing guitar teacher.
Speaker 1: That's so cool. He'd come over and he taught me
Speaker 1: like red actually Peppers because that's who I loved at
Speaker 1: the time. We should have done I love thee oh
Speaker 1: my god, road tripping. I think that was one of
Speaker 1: the first. Yeah, it's funny. You never know what people
Speaker 1: where people come from, you know, with what they grew
Speaker 1: up loving. It can be surprising, it can be surprising. Yeah.
Speaker 12: I had a huge crush on Anthony Ketus.
Speaker 1: Oh he was cute. Yeah that long yeah, no shirt.
Speaker 4: The no shirt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the bad acting and point Point. What was it
Speaker 1: called point point break?
Speaker 4: Was he in point?
Speaker 1: I just had this last moment I can't stop thinking about.
Speaker 1: I need to go back and watch Point Break? Was
Speaker 1: your dream? You had a dream? I dreamed that I
Speaker 1: was I was not home. I was I was gone
Speaker 1: doing some shows. And I had the funniest dream that
Speaker 1: I went to some barbecue but it was at my
Speaker 1: house and Kanu Reeves was there and he was helping
Speaker 1: everybody set up, but he didn't talk to me at all,
Speaker 1: and I was like, that's kind of weird. Maybe I
Speaker 1: should he's helping everybody because he's supposed to be like
Speaker 1: the super nice person, right, it sounds like something he
Speaker 1: would do. Yeah, exactly like Ala is reading about how
Speaker 1: he's the Internet. He's always helping an old lady, and
Speaker 1: so he was like helping everybody set up, and I
Speaker 1: was like, man, he's not talking to me and he's
Speaker 1: not helping me in But I was kind of not
Speaker 1: doing anything either. So I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go see if I can reach this
Speaker 1: base on the very top shelf. And it was a
Speaker 1: total manipulative move to see if oh wow me and
Speaker 1: he did, and he came over and he helped me.
Speaker 1: Was like, I was wondering when the mom was gonna
Speaker 1: start getting ready for the barbecue. Then he mom shamed me. No,
Speaker 1: he didn't say mom. He did because because I was
Speaker 1: out of town and so I felt bad for being
Speaker 1: away from my kids. I think is my psychology. It's
Speaker 1: kind of a funny jobs interesting point break it maybe
Speaker 1: like I was like, I'm having a real Keanu moment.
Speaker 1: That's an interesting dream. Also, he's kind of he's promoting
Speaker 1: a movie, so he's everywhere.
Speaker 12: I think right now he's everywhere else. Is that how
Speaker 12: the dream ended?
Speaker 1: I woke up crying? Oh no, is that mean shame
Speaker 1: had a week? I guess, yeah, Like it's one of
Speaker 1: those you start crying in the dreams and then you
Speaker 1: wake up cry and right what happened to the all?
Speaker 1: Where did that come from? Come from?
Speaker 12: And you were laying next to Keanu, which is so well, yeah,
Speaker 12: that's the punch line.
Speaker 1: No, he was there, he was helping. No, he wasn't there,
Speaker 1: but ohow, big dreams are funny dreams. If any Encounteries
Speaker 1: was also my childhood favorite, you.
Speaker 12: Know, oh yeah, yeah, he's a great He's the fact
Speaker 12: that he rejected a great movie star.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw him on the street once you did.
Speaker 12: I saw him, Yeah, and I was walking with my
Speaker 12: boyfriend at the time, and we both did a double
Speaker 12: take and then we looked at each other.
Speaker 1: And we're like, that is the most beautiful person. Did
Speaker 1: you know with him?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, because sometimes you see people and you just think, wow,
Speaker 1: they're beautiful and you don't even realize Oh, that's true too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like he's he can't get away with being in.
Speaker 12: The public right with Yeah, it must be hard for people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think he would have been nicer in real life
Speaker 1: to me, Well, he did help you with the jar?
Speaker 1: He did?
Speaker 3: Did he?
Speaker 1: Mom shamed me? I don't know. Back to your record
Speaker 1: to record.
Speaker 10: So.
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's how I started playing. And I just really
Speaker 12: wanted to play enough to write songs because I knew
Speaker 12: I could kind of improvise and so, and I wanted to.
Speaker 1: Sit at a campfire and play what. Yeah, did you
Speaker 1: go to a lot of campfires growing up in the city.
Speaker 1: It's like this romantic idea of going to campfires exactly right,
Speaker 1: that's pretty funny.
Speaker 12: That's why I live in the country now. Because I
Speaker 12: was like, oh, country.
Speaker 1: Is exotic, that's the coolest thing, and board staring at
Speaker 1: the squirrels. Yeah, it has its moments. That's funny. Well,
Speaker 1: you probably go to the city a lot. I do,
Speaker 1: and I think it.
Speaker 12: Works out that way, and that's good. There's a lot
Speaker 12: of nice folks up here.
Speaker 1: Let's do one more song from your new album. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're gonna go on tour. I'm going on tour. When
Speaker 1: is the tour? It starts May fifth, or maybe possibly
Speaker 1: the fourth. That is exciting. And you're gonna have your bus.
Speaker 12: And I have a bus and a bus full of
Speaker 12: dudes and me, it would be.
Speaker 1: A lot of wiping on the seat. They have to
Speaker 1: tell them they have to sit pee at night if
Speaker 1: the bus is moving. Oh that's a good idea. Are
Speaker 1: guys against that? I guess you'll find out. I'm going
Speaker 1: to find out. I'm sure. I'm sure they'll do whatever
Speaker 1: they're going to do in there and not listen. I
Speaker 1: not let you tell them.
Speaker 12: The last time I did a bus, I just always
Speaker 12: had the clorox and I was always cleaning because I'm
Speaker 12: clean's super clean. Oh gosh, But so that's what I'm anticipating,
Speaker 12: but I'm excited.
Speaker 1: But I feel like as you get older, guys are
Speaker 1: a little more aware of that, aren't they. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think so. Are they a bunch of college guys? No,
Speaker 1: I'm touring with teenagers?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, they'll tour for cheap the young people. How big
Speaker 1: is the band though?
Speaker 12: The ban is probably six people total.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 12: And then we have a tour manager and a lighting
Speaker 12: person and it's very very ye come on, I think
Speaker 12: a compact tour is really nice, like your tour.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean it was compact. I really love that.
Speaker 1: I try to keep it small. Yeah.
Speaker 12: And then I just loved there wasn't a lot of
Speaker 12: like electronics, and you don't play the tracks and you're
Speaker 12: not doing you know that.
Speaker 1: I'm inspired by that. I wouldn't know how. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't either. I don't either, So Fie, do you do
Speaker 1: what you want? It's nice when everyone sings. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get it is. I think harmonies are
Speaker 1: so key for both of our mastics, definitely, and it's
Speaker 1: just so fun to sing with people. It's so much
Speaker 1: fun to sing with people. Harmony rehearsals are tricky though
Speaker 1: you gotta really yeah, you do well, that's awesome. Thanks
Speaker 1: for doing this with me, my pleasure together me too.
Speaker 1: It's so fun. Let's do this song from your new
Speaker 1: album and take us out. That sounds good. What's this
Speaker 1: one called? This one's called false start? Okay? Cool?
Speaker 4: All right? Yeah, m hmmm.
Speaker 6: I get lost in when I do run on Betty, you.
Speaker 13: Tell myself another truth and fall back quess you.
Speaker 4: But leaves don't never know a way the fall and
Speaker 4: I've been sitting away for the.
Speaker 19: I guess don't when I had to a run on Betsy,
Speaker 19: play myself.
Speaker 6: Another tube and fall bag was seen.
Speaker 13: God endings never tell you where to start. You're just
Speaker 13: so many times it for the part, and I've been
Speaker 13: sitting waterway. It's a false start, almost a Muty new
Speaker 13: Hart starting making plans.
Speaker 4: Couldn't take the pain, had go back to it came
Speaker 4: all start, couldn't Letty.
Speaker 17: New Hard.
Speaker 4: Was the last. No, couldn'take the pain, had.
Speaker 10: Back to.
Speaker 4: Key And then he's never tell you where to start.
Speaker 18: We're just so many times and for the pot, and
Speaker 18: I've been sitting wanting away.
Speaker 4: It's a full stop.
Speaker 20: Almost some archets new had starting making plants, couldn't take.
Speaker 1: Them, Pain had.
Speaker 4: Back came fall Start.
Speaker 16: Couldn't lecle new Hart was the last to know, couldn't
Speaker 16: take them, Pain had back to acking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ah, that was so fun.
Speaker 4: Comes back, George to come Back.
Speaker 1: I love that song.
Speaker 4: I love her songs.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So that's such an honesty to her lyrics and the
Speaker 3: way she performs that. It really makes it so powerful.
Speaker 1: Her singing is very special. Yeah. Yeah, she's a jim
Speaker 1: We love you, Emily, and.
Speaker 3: She's an incredible performer. So go see her live if
Speaker 3: you get the chance. It's true she is, you'll be
Speaker 3: glad you did.
Speaker 1: Yes, she's amazing. Ellie.
Speaker 3: Thanks for being part of our show and sharing all
Speaker 3: your gorgeous songs with us.
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening everyone. Tune in next time for another
Speaker 1: special guest. Meanwhile, if you want to know what songs
Speaker 1: were on this episode, the first song is called Georgia
Speaker 1: from Emily King The seven EP. The second song is
Speaker 1: called Bad Memory from her new album Special Occasion. Third
Speaker 1: song we did a little snippet if it never entered
Speaker 1: My mind, the old jazz standard. The fourth song we
Speaker 1: did was called Distance, and it's from an album called
Speaker 1: The Switch and the last song was from her new
Speaker 1: album Special Occasion, and it's called False Start. Thanks again
Speaker 1: for listening. This episode was recorded and mixed by Jamie Landry,
Speaker 1: edited by Sarah Oda, additional engineering by Matthew Vasquez and
Speaker 1: Steven Sacho. Artwork by Eliza fryehtography by Shervin Leniez. Produced
Speaker 1: by US.
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