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Speaker 1: Hi am Kate Hudson, and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and

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Speaker 1: what it's like to be siblings. We are sibling.

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Speaker 2: RAILVALI no, no, sibling.

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Speaker 1: You don't do that with your mouth.

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Speaker 2: Revelry.

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Speaker 1: That's good. It's so gorgeous in that I got out

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Speaker 1: of here. I was so happy.

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Speaker 3: First first trip to the Dead, trip to the de

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Speaker 3: I'm jealous.

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Speaker 1: The boys are trying to come down there. Yeah, Wilder's coming. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was like, call her and t kad, call mom.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's like he writes me these long, like manipulative messages.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, stop, just say you want to come stay.

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Speaker 2: He's like, I have my friend. It's like, okay, I

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Wilder, just call me, just call me, and

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Speaker 1: he's like, March thirteenth, it's high. Well, I'm excited.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Paul Figue is in our waiting room. He's done

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Speaker 3: some amazing things. His life is very interesting. Only child.

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Speaker 1: He wrote Freaks and Freaks and Geeks. I didn't know that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah no, that's where he was.

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Speaker 3: Sorry set him on his path and then he's promoting

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Speaker 3: this new movie with Sydney Sweeney.

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Speaker 1: That is a departure.

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Speaker 2: I know, yeah, I know, I'm excited. I think he's Honestly,

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Speaker 2: he's wonderful. And obviously he produced and co wro Snatched,

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Speaker 2: which Mom was in.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and and I mean he's done.

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Speaker 2: I mean we could go on and on, but this

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Speaker 2: is fun and I love Talking Shop, so let's just

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Speaker 2: talk Shop.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Hello there, my goodness, so good to see you.

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Speaker 1: Nice to see you.

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Speaker 4: Look at how dapper you are, sir me a, you

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Speaker 4: know this, this whole thing, this.

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Speaker 1: Old welcome to our podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited because these are always my favorite ones talking

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Speaker 2: I said to Allie to Talking Shop.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you're here. I love it. No, it's really it's

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Speaker 1: great to meet you. And Kate.

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Speaker 4: I go way back having watched you because my one

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Speaker 4: of my closest friends is Betsy Beers, who produced two

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Betsy, And when.

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Speaker 4: I saw when she showed me the first time, I

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Speaker 4: was like, who was that woman. That's the funniest woman

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Speaker 4: I've ever seen in my It was you.

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Speaker 1: So you were just so great.

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Speaker 2: I was just talking about that movie with my with

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Speaker 2: my middle son, because he's turning into quite the cinephile,

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Speaker 2: wants to watch everything. And I was like, two hundred cigarettes,

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Speaker 1: It's such a great fun movie, and it really was.

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Speaker 1: It holds. There's so many people. Yeah, who's the cast?

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Speaker 1: I mean, wasn't Chappelle in that as well? Paul Rudd

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Speaker 1: Paul Rudd right, and Courtney Courtney Love.

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Speaker 2: Courney Love, Ben Affleck, Casey Affleck Right, Elvis Costello.

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say, cameo by Elvis Costello, who said

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Speaker 4: Yeah, who's who? Directed by Risa Raymond Garcia. Yeah, casting

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Speaker 3: You know, so she wasn't so funny because my son Wilder,

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Speaker 1: They were there. I mean they're sort of not spoken

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, Freaks and Geeks is the best they well, Paul,

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Speaker 1: because it's a second way to get a reaction out

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Speaker 1: of an audience.

439
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what Oliver was saying, Like, we love this

440
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Speaker 2: departure for you. You know, it's like not what you

441
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Speaker 2: would expect as we know your work.

442
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Speaker 1: But before before we get into that, I'm curious what

443
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Speaker 1: started like your desire you know, you came to act,

444
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Speaker 1: but then where did the sort of writing and you know,

445
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Speaker 1: the itch to write and produce and create.

446
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Speaker 4: Well, it was all kind of part and parcel because I,

447
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 4: you know, I when I was a kid, I remember

448
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 4: reading about Woody Allen and then like he was like, wait,

449
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 4: he stars and he writes and he directed, like he

450
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 4: does it all. I was like, how do you do that?

451
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 4: Then Albert Brooks, you know, all these people. So I

452
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 4: was kind of like, well, I want to do that.

453
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 4: I want to kind of do it all. So it

454
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 4: was always part and parcel with it all. And so

455
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 4: I went to film school still as an actor, kind

456
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 4: of thinking I'm going to be able to direct myself

457
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 4: and make movies of myself, and then also thought I'll

458
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 4: be better on set because I'll understand how movies made

459
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 4: and stuff like that. And then it just kind of,

460
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Speaker 4: you know, acting kind of chased me out of it

461
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 4: because you know, I was doing really well for a

462
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Speaker 4: character actor for fifteen years. You know, I was a

463
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Speaker 4: regular on like five different TVs network TV series, you know.

464
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Speaker 1: But they all got canceled after the first first season.

465
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Speaker 4: And then finally when I was on Sabrina the Teenage

466
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 4: Witch and it was finally a hit, and you know,

467
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Speaker 4: I did one season on that and then they wrote

468
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Speaker 4: me out. It's like I was like, I maybe the

469
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Speaker 4: writing's on the wall, Like I got to get out

470
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Speaker 4: of this. My wife had been saying to me for

471
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Speaker 4: a few years, like maybe you should start thinking about,

472
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Speaker 4: you know, going behind the camera. Which always nice to

473
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Speaker 4: hear your wife say that.

474
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Speaker 1: She was right, She was right.

475
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Speaker 4: I would like I was very limited in what I

476
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 4: could do, you know, I was I was funny, but

477
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 4: I was funny either being a total goofball or being

478
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Speaker 4: the sarcastic.

479
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Speaker 1: Underplayed guy. And that was kind of it. So you know,

480
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Speaker 1: so I'm very happy that I.

481
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Speaker 2: Got and and what what what kind of work that

482
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Speaker 2: you saw when you were younger to kind of defined

483
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Speaker 2: like who you wanted to be as an artist, Not

484
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Speaker 2: that it doesn't shift and change, but like, for instance,

485
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Speaker 2: for me, and I think for all of too, like

486
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Speaker 2: Parenthood when we were kids like that kind of like that,

487
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Speaker 2: that kind of tone was all Oliver, and I was like,

488
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Speaker 2: that's what we want to do, you know, we want

489
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Speaker 2: to make movies like that or Oliver loved also like

490
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Speaker 2: you know, Evil Dead and.

491
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Speaker 1: The greatest comedies of all time. It was incredible comedy.

492
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Speaker 1: It's amazing.

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Speaker 4: I mean, for me, it was a weird road because

494
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Speaker 4: when I was an actor, you know, in coming up

495
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Speaker 4: as a kid in Michigan, movies to me weren't something

496
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 4: you made. They were examples of what you wanted to be.

497
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Speaker 4: So like when I saw a close Encounter of the

498
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Speaker 4: Third cond I was like, Oh, I want you fos

499
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Speaker 4: to come and take me, you know.

500
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Speaker 1: So it was kind of a weird then that way.

501
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Speaker 4: And then I was also just way into like the

502
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Speaker 4: Marx Brothers and you know, uh, you know Specter Clusseau,

503
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 4: those you know, Pink Panther movies and all that. So

504
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Speaker 4: I think I just wanted to be kind of like

505
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Speaker 4: a clown, but like a realistic clown. You know. That's

506
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Speaker 4: why when Steve Martin hit the scene, he wasn't just

507
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Speaker 4: my be all and end all. I wanted to be

508
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 4: Steve Martin the Seminal Seminal movie from Yeah, like that

509
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 4: was probably what I.

510
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Speaker 1: Wanted to do more than anything. Is my version of this.

511
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Speaker 1: Do you ever put yourself in your movies? Yeah? I

512
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Speaker 1: occasionally I'll do a thing or two.

513
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Speaker 4: Like if you see the movie Spy, there's a drunk

514
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 4: guy who walks into the wall and falls down, that's me,

515
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 4: you know.

516
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Speaker 1: I played a doctor in the heat.

517
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Speaker 4: But the problem, Oliver is that as a director, you've

518
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 4: got so much power, you know, and then the minute

519
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 4: you step in front of the camera, all your power

520
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 4: goes on, and then all the people you're telling what

521
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 4: to do on screen suddenly see that you're not that good,

522
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 4: and it's kind of like they're like, this guy's give

523
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 4: me directions for you. Yeah, so I've kind of pulled back,

524
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Speaker 4: but I will pop up here and here and there.

525
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Speaker 1: So did you write Freaks and Geeks? It was that

526
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: your first thing? And was it just a spect you wrote? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

527
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Speaker 1: I wrote it as a spec.

528
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Speaker 4: I was out on the road trying to promote this low,

529
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Speaker 4: low budget independent film that I wrote direct and start

530
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Speaker 4: in that never got released, and was just out on

531
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Speaker 4: this college tour with it and thought, he's got to

532
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,959
Speaker 4: write something. I was always writing. I mean, I'm constantly

533
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Speaker 4: writing scripts and yeah, I've always always wanted to do

534
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Speaker 4: something about my high school experience. And wrote its back again,

535
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 4: send it to Jed who was an old friend, and yeah,

536
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 4: they picked it up. So, I mean it was crazy.

537
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 4: So I created this show thinking it was probably the

538
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Speaker 4: one I thought that wasn't going to go like all

539
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Speaker 4: the other things I wrote, and I was so you know,

540
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Speaker 4: into because they were all these movie scripts. And this

541
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 4: was the first time I went like, maybe I'll write

542
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Speaker 4: like an hour TV show because my friend Matt Reeves

543
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 4: had just done Felicity with JJ and he sent that

544
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Speaker 4: to me. I go, the hour format, that's kind of

545
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Speaker 4: like a movie, So I'll write it for that. And

546
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Speaker 4: then suddenly I had a show in the air.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Cool. And you were closes, like you've been close

548
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Speaker 1: with jud for a long time. Yeah, I've on him

549
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: got We.

550
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Speaker 4: Were all stand ups together, so him since he was

551
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Speaker 4: like sixteen or seventeen years old.

552
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Speaker 2: I love that whole crew, like you every I I

553
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 2: love that when you find these sort of clusters of

554
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Speaker 2: like drive talent, especially comedy. You know, I'm working with

555
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Speaker 2: Ike right now, Baron Halts, we love it, and Mindy

556
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 2: and and like you know, you sort of lean on

557
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: each other and all these things, and everybody has their

558
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:04,360
Speaker 2: kind of.

559
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: Role, you know, and like their their strong suit.

560
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Speaker 2: Yeah, when you get everybody together, especially in like a

561
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Speaker 2: writing room or on set or whatever, it's just there's

562
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 2: nothing more fun.

563
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

564
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Speaker 4: Well, comedy actors are great because their team players. Because

565
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 4: you have to be because you can't do it by yourself.

566
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 4: It's not like stand ups sometimes aren't great, you know,

567
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 4: just because there's so much about being in control of

568
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 4: themselves and getting the laugh and there are ones that

569
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 4: can be really good. But I find in general is

570
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 4: more people come from the improv world tend to be

571
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Speaker 4: the best and tend to be the best actors too.

572
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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

573
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Speaker 2: I we're working with Drew Tarvor, who's like a great

574
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Speaker 2: like he does it was it called ss.

575
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Speaker 1: SSPC is it UCB.

576
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's so great, he's so like working with him,

577
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Speaker 2: it's one of the great joys of my working life

578
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: so far because he just can make any literally something

579
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Speaker 2: out of anything.

580
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Speaker 4: Yeah, those are people I like to hire, like, especially

581
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 4: in you know, small roles that are nothing roles, because

582
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Speaker 4: they know they're going to show up and make it

583
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 4: into a something role. You know, it's gonna even if

584
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 4: it's one moment, it's a memorable moment that's not wasted

585
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 4: of just somebody going like yo, they're over there, you know,

586
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 4: it becomes something.

587
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Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, it's it's been great. When you started working

588
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 2: on the office, how did that come about?

589
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 4: I it was, well, the backstory and that was actually

590
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 4: after you know, Ricky Jervis's show you Know, had been done.

591
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 4: They were trying to get everybody to do it, and

592
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 4: they came to me to develop it for television.

593
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Speaker 1: I was like, forget it, I'm not touching that.

594
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 4: That shows so classic and great, like who who what

595
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 4: mad person would go in and do that? And of

596
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 4: course Greg Daniels comes in and makes it brilliant. No,

597
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 4: that was I was just directing a lot of television

598
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 4: at the time and doing Arrested Development and things like that,

599
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,719
Speaker 4: and uh yeah, God. They contacted me about doing an

600
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 4: episode in that in the in the first full season

601
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 4: because they did those six one offs and I wasn't

602
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 4: evolved in that. But the irony was I was doing

603
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 4: a pilot at the same time as they were doing

604
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Speaker 4: the pilot for The Office, and where they were editing

605
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 4: is where we were shooting. So a scene and Greg

606
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 4: Daniels came over to me and it was Rodney Rothman

607
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 4: and Jonathan Groff and said like, come in here, I

608
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 4: need your advice on something. And he was trying to

609
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 4: figure out what the opening music for the show was

610
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Speaker 4: going to be, and so he played a couple of

611
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Speaker 4: songs and then when the one that they end up using,

612
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 4: were all like, oh, that's the one. That's really cool.

613
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 4: So it was like this big team effort of all

614
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 4: of us going like that's it. So every time I

615
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 4: hear it, it's like, Wow, we were kind of in

616
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 4: that decision.

617
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Speaker 1: That's kind of cool. That's cool. Now You're so right.

618
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Speaker 3: That's what's so great about comedy is just how collaborative

619
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Speaker 3: it all is, you know, and those egos. Obviously, you know,

620
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Speaker 3: there's competition. You hear all these SNL stories about you know,

621
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Speaker 3: people competing, but at the end of the day, you

622
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,479
Speaker 3: can you only make each other better, you know, and

623
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Speaker 3: if you can let go of those eat that ego.

624
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think SNL gets hardcore because they're fighting

625
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 4: to get what they wrote on the air. And I

626
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 4: think once it's you know, with a movie or a

627
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 4: television show, it's all set, so now people are just

628
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 4: showing up to make it the best it can be.

629
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Speaker 4: And that's then then it tends to be pretty you know,

630
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:21,719
Speaker 4: everybody going in the same direction.

631
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Are you big on improv and letting everyone just

632
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: go off the rails? Well, yeah, I mean I do.

633
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 4: We do a lot of that, But at the same time,

634
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 4: it's it's controlled chaos. You know, the script's very tight,

635
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 4: the scene structure is very tight, and then it's within

636
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 4: the scene where we go we can play with that punchline,

637
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 4: we play with that joke, play with that connective tissue there,

638
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 4: and so that's where we play around a lot.

639
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, Paul, do you only direct the things you write

640
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: or do you direct things?

641
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: No? I. I that was my goal.

642
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 4: And then I just realized if I'm just going to

643
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 4: sit around and write, I'm not going to get enough

644
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 4: movies made because the ideas don't come to me that fast.

645
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 4: And I get more inspired by like a script that

646
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 4: is a great idea or is kind of great but

647
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 4: needs work. That's when I get excited because I find

648
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 4: my way in and then I can kind of make

649
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 4: it my own and do a lot of rewriting on stuff.

650
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 4: But no, I, you know, I was very driven by

651
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 4: I read that Fellini's last words, or one of his

652
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 4: last words on his deathbed, were I wish I'd made

653
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 4: more movies. And I really understand that because if you

654
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 4: sit around waiting for the perfect thing all the time,

655
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Speaker 4: you know, it's just fun to be working.

656
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: You know.

657
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 4: Obviously I'm making things you don't think are good. But

658
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 4: if you can find your way into something and make

659
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 4: it your own and then it becomes a passion for you,

660
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 4: that's exciting.

661
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: And it's also feels like it's just such a muscle,

662
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 2: like you have to be working it all the time.

663
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 2: That's like anything, you know, it's like, yeah, you know,

664
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: I find out about acting. It's like when you get

665
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: on a set and you haven't been acting for a while, like,

666
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,959
Speaker 2: oh yeah.

667
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 4: That's the weird thing about when you make a movie

668
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 4: because you know, there's so much time for prep and

669
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 4: then you got your you know, two three, four months

670
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,479
Speaker 4: of production and then it's another year of post. So

671
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 4: every time you get back to a set, you're like, wow,

672
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 4: it's been a year since those here, even though I

673
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 4: do it all the time.

674
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: So that's what I love about being a TV director.

675
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 4: When I was doing it, it's just you're just going

676
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 4: from set to set to set, genre genre, and you

677
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 4: learn so much because one day you're doing a medical drama,

678
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,479
Speaker 4: the next day you're doing a mockumentary. The next day

679
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 4: you're doing like it's spal about a drug dealer, you know,

680
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 4: and it's yeah, I learned a lot I learned how

681
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 4: to be very versatile by doing that.

682
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: Are you doing any TV?

683
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 4: We have a TV, our TV division, and we're developing

684
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 4: a lot of television. You know, there's a bunch of

685
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 4: pilots I'm supposed to direct. But yeah, movies are my

686
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 4: bread and butter. Yeah, yeah, of the most.

687
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 3: Let me ask you a quick question just about comedy

688
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 3: in general, from when you started until now. I mean,

689
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 3: where have you seen the evolution of it?

690
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: I mean, is it where it was?

691
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 2: No?

692
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 4: Comedy is so evolving, you know it was. It's kind

693
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 4: of gone from being very broad to being very behavioral.

694
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: And I even though I.

695
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 4: Love broad comedies as a kid, they aren't what I

696
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 4: want to make. So like the nineties were very broad

697
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 4: and make a gun like the Jim Carrey stuff, which

698
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 4: was very you know, it's very funny. It's just that's

699
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 4: kind of not what I wanted to do. I want

700
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 4: a little more not grounded, but I wanted a little

701
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 4: more authenticity. I think out out of the characters.

702
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: And I really.

703
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 4: Credit again going back to what I was saying about YouTube,

704
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 4: I think the rise of that kind of like you know,

705
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 4: seeing videos of things that actually happened or very raw

706
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 4: kind of people just talking to the camera kind of

707
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 4: stuff made people like behavioral more than they like overproduced

708
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 4: kind of comedy. So for me, it's kind of a

709
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 4: nice time. But look, it'll shift again, it always does,

710
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 4: and suddenly the broadest of broad comedies will suddenly be popular.

711
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 2: I have this because when we're doing our show, like I,

712
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 2: I'm not a broad comedian like I, everything I do

713
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 2: has to feel like it's coming from somewhere real, you know,

714
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 2: just because it makes more sense to me. But then

715
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 2: every life so much respect for people who can just

716
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 2: be broad like yeah, you know, because it takes like

717
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 2: this insane amount of like it's almost insane like.

718
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: Commitment, commitment, and oh it's it's just so you have.

719
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 4: To be a smart performer to be brought. It's it's

720
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 4: almost like, you know, you have to be a great

721
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 4: singer to sing badly. You know, they always say, because

722
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 4: you could if you. You know how many times we've

723
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 4: seen over the over the decades, like certain celebrities will

724
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 4: host SNL and they're just trying so hard to be

725
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 4: funny and you're just like, oh man.

726
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: Please dial it back, please dial it back.

727
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 4: So then you really appreciate people who can just go

728
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 4: for it and be big and be hilarious.

729
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's definitely like my my favorite.

730
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: Like when I see someone able to do that, it's

731
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,919
Speaker 1: the stand up comedian is having a moment right now,

732
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: just in general, you know, with the podcasts of course,

733
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: which is promotional, but also these specials, you know, because

734
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: you know, I have a production company myself, and you know,

735
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get some of these guys into these shows,

736
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: but it's not monetarily advantageous to be on a television

737
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: show is only going to take money away from them

738
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: now one hundred percent.

739
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 4: I mean I was a stand up for five years,

740
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 4: you know, back in the eighties and loved it, and

741
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 4: I'm just glad to see that it's doing well, you know,

742
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 4: right now, because it's I think it's kind of the

743
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 4: purest art form in a weird way, because it's a

744
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 4: microphone and a person, you know, and doing a obsensibly

745
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 4: a one person show, and you know that is a

746
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 4: real craft to do that and be great at it.

747
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 4: And it's really I love watching great stand up comedians.

748
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 4: I don't miss doing it at all. Literally, you have

749
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 4: put a into my head to go do it again.

750
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 2: I know.

751
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 3: It's funny though, because you have these huge comedians who

752
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 3: have become huge stars, but they'll always go back to

753
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 3: what they love. I mean, Sandler's a very good friend

754
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 3: of our families, and he actually bought my childhood home.

755
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 3: But the guy is just epic and iconic. But he'll

756
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 3: go from doing this movie to then get winning an

757
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 3: Academy Award and doing a crazy comedy and then he

758
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 3: has dates. He's been on the road for the last

759
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 3: three months, and it's like, dude, are you serious. It's crazy,

760
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 3: can't stop.

761
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: I want to get to The Housemaid. Yes please? This

762
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 1: is your first psychological thriller.

763
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's a simple favor a

764
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 4: little bit, but this is much more in that direction.

765
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 4: And it was a book, yeah yeah, The Housemaid. It's

766
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 4: it's still a bestseller list. It's like it's been this

767
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 4: New York Times for like two years.

768
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 2: So how did this come on your death? Like, how

769
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: was this something that you were drawn to do?

770
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 4: It was I was doing another simple favor for lions Gate,

771
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 4: who I did the first one with, and it was

772
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 4: going really well and they're really happy with how it's going.

773
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 4: And then, unbeknownst to me, my business partner, Laura Fisher,

774
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 4: had been kind of chasing this project that they had

775
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 4: over there because she knows I love thrillers. I mean

776
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 4: that's all I kind of watch. I don't watch much comedy.

777
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 4: I really just watched thrillers and horror movies and and

778
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 4: it just seemed like the perfect fits. So they they,

779
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 4: you know, sent it to me, and and Sydney was

780
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 4: already attached, Sidney Sweeney, who I'd been wanting to work

781
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 4: with a lot, and yeah, I read it and just

782
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 4: like I know how to do this.

783
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: I see this very clearly. It's so much fun. It's

784
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: very hitchcock.

785
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: And I guess like when you go into something like this,

786
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 2: like I know, casting, like did you did? You clearly

787
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 2: got who you wanted. I mean, Sidney was our already

788
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 2: attached to it. And then Amanda, how did Amanda come

789
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 2: on board?

790
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 4: Well, Amanda, i'd had a meeting. Well we actually had

791
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 4: like giving.

792
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 2: Who I love by the way I love it. We

793
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 2: just spent a night together and had so much fun.

794
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: Oh she's the best.

795
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 4: Now. We'd had like coffee like ten years prior of

796
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 4: kind of a general meeting and just really hit it off.

797
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 4: And it was like we got to do something and

798
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 4: just could never find the right thing. And then just

799
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 4: the nature of this story, it seemed like the kind

800
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 4: of physical similarities and size between Sydney and Amanda would

801
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 4: really work really well. And also knowing just how brilliant

802
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 4: Amanda is as an actor, it was just kind of like,

803
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 4: let's go for Amanda for this. And then with Brandon's Glenar,

804
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 4: he'd been doing it ends with us with my buddy

805
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 4: Blake Lively, and when we were shooting another Civil Favor,

806
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 4: she just kept saying, like, I'm working with this guy.

807
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 4: He's so amazing. His name is Brandon and he's like

808
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 4: funny and handsome and blah blah blah, and so I

809
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 4: was like okay, And then met with him and the

810
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 4: ammunity walk into the Tower bar for us to have

811
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 4: lun shows. It's like, oh, hired, Like I mean just

812
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:09,439
Speaker 4: this big physical presence and funny and everything, and uh yeah,

813
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 4: so I really kind of got my dream cast. And

814
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 4: then Mikayla Maroney was in another simple Favor with me,

815
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 4: who I cast out of Italy, and it's just like

816
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 4: literally like the part was written for him, so brought him.

817
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: There is there comedy infused into this. It is it's

818
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 1: got a quirk.

819
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know this this one is I would

820
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 4: never call it a comedy, you know, though I always

821
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 4: say that all my movies are comedies.

822
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: Ultimately, they're just are very.

823
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 4: Very dark, and this is the it's the let's say comedy.

824
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 4: It's the great reaction from an audience of enormous release.

825
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: Let's just say so.

826
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 4: It's kind of what it's kind of in the way

827
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 4: the weapons did you know, you're kind of terrified for

828
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 4: for the first you know, two thirds, and then you're like, oh,

829
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna relish what's happening now? And so we

830
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 4: got a we got a big response out there, like

831
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 4: the audience is very interactive with this.

832
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: Oh that's great, especially like the third act.

833
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 3: I'm sure you've seen it, but but what about you've

834
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 3: seen happiness Todd Salon's.

835
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah, yeah, total.

836
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 3: I mean that movie was incredible to me. Kurt and

837
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 3: I were in the theater watching that and we were

838
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 3: laughing our assets off, and they were the theatergoers were like,

839
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 3: not happy with us because it's such dark subject matter,

840
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 3: but it was unbelievable.

841
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 4: But you know, that's what he's going yeah, of course,

842
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 4: it was like welcome to the dollhouse. Someone was seeing

843
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 4: that just going like, oh my god, but that happened.

844
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 4: I was in Palm Springs at the theater with only

845
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 4: a few other couples watching weapons, and I'm laughing my

846
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 4: ass off in the third act, and people are turning

847
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,760
Speaker 4: around like, hey, this is very serious. Like you guys,

848
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 4: you don't know what this filmmaker was doing in the

849
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 4: editing room. They were laughing their asses off too.

850
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: I guess. Yeah.

851
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 2: It's so, It's says a humor is such an interesting thing,

852
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 2: isn't it, Because yeah.

853
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: It's like it's such a like.

854
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 2: The idea, like how you identify with your sense If

855
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: here just says everything about the rest of your life

856
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 2: and all the people that you end up, it's huge.

857
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

858
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 4: But that's why it's so hard to make a successful comedy,

859
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 4: because everybody's got different sets of humor. Everbody can agree

860
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 4: what's scary, what sad, what's you know, but thrilling, but

861
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 4: nobody can agree on what's funny.

862
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 2: It's true, she Lackman says, only you can't lie at

863
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 2: it's how to make someone laugh, Like either make a

864
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 2: laugh or you don't you know, manipulate.

865
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: It can't fake a laugh. If you can't, you're really good.

866
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: You're such a horror buff.

867
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 3: I grew up on horror, love horror, and my kids

868
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 3: are obsessed with horror and thriller. But here's the interesting thing.

869
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 3: They're so desensitized to the old school movies. Like back,

870
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 3: I was like, let me show you Diamon on elm Street,

871
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 3: you know, let me show you Last House on the Left,

872
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 3: let me show you Spit on My Gray.

873
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 1: Let me show you all of these. And they're like, Dad,

874
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: like this is lame, you know, like.

875
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 3: Lame, even Texas Shane Saw, which is a class. It's like, okay,

876
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 3: you know, it's so funny. They don't look at that

877
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 3: those but you.

878
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:06,720
Speaker 2: Should show them more psychological thrillers, not like this horror horror.

879
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, not a terror Terrorizer three exactly. But those movies

880
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: are too much for me.

881
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 3: Those guys, do you have like a do you have

882
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 3: some favorites like horror, like just iconic horror films for you?

883
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: And I mean I'm I'm a fan of the old

884
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: James Whale movies. I mean, right, I live in his house.

885
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're kidding kaya I live in the

886
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: I live in the real house.

887
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 4: Oh my god, wait, please invite me over. I'll just

888
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 4: walk around and just soaking the vibes.

889
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 1: He is there.

890
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 2: Wow, I or either that or his lover I don't know,

891
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 2: but but but there's definitely an energy in that house

892
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 2: that remains great.

893
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: I love so we grew up in too as kid.

894
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: I bought it back. Yeah, I bought it back from

895
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: That's incredible. I did not I did not know that. Yeah,

896
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: he built it.

897
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: It was in the thirties and I was about to

898
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: tear it down, and then the fires happened and I

899
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 2: was like, no, I can't, I can't.

900
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: I'm going to restore it. So I'm a restore in

901
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: there so much history. Do you ever find, like, you know,

902
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: Frankenstein props in the walls or no, but it doesn't

903
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: get into the walls. We're about to make I have to.

904
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 2: I can't wait because I feel like there's things I'm

905
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 2: going to end up seeing.

906
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: I would hope, so I would. Okay, howsmade book has

907
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: a sequel?

908
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 2: Are is it already like, are you already thinking about

909
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 2: making a sequel or is this something you're going to

910
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: have to wait for?

911
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 4: Well, the hope would be if the movie does really well,

912
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 4: we could slam into a sequel, just because I really

913
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 4: had a lot of fun doing this, and you know,

914
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 4: and Frida's books are really great and the second book

915
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 4: is really fun.

916
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, fingers crossed.

917
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 4: Well, it's up to the audience December nineteenth, show up

918
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 4: on that nineteen, and it's only in theaters the greatest way.

919
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 1: What we need's so.

920
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 2: Exciting, I know, I'm really like, really, it's It's kind

921
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: of nerve wracking, isn't it, because you really want people

922
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 2: to go see it because we want to be the

923
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: collective experience is everything.

924
00:44:58,880 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: It totally is. You know.

925
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 4: That's all my movies have been up until the last

926
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 4: three because it's starting with the pandemic. I did three,

927
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 4: you know, streamers, which has been fantastic for me because

928
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 4: I got to keep making movies and God bless them

929
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 4: for let me do it.

930
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: But I'm so heavy back in theaters because you.

931
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 4: Know, because we when I'm doing my streaming streaming, hit

932
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 4: my mind, hit my mic As I doing my streaming movies,

933
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 4: we test them the same way we go to theaters,

934
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 4: you know, recruit audiences. Two hundred fifty three hundred people,

935
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 4: and so we engineered for that and then we have

936
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 4: a premiere and it goes everybody goes crazy for it,

937
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 4: and then it just goes on on TV and you're like,

938
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 4: we don't get experiences like driving around opening weekend, like

939
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 4: let's go to the bag of theaters.

940
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,919
Speaker 2: Way about glass Onion, because we only had a week

941
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: in the theater and it was such a it's such

942
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 2: knives out, it's such a theater going experience.

943
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interactive, you know, that's and it was huge.

944
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: So we're like, oh my god, how did this not

945
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 1: end up in the theater. You know, just you get stuck.

946
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 4: You get stuck in the business model and you yeah,

947
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 4: they can't break out of it, so you know, and

948
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 4: I understand it, and you know, I'm.

949
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: Not slaming about it. It's just it's just like it

950
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: just feels better. It's exciting. Well, thanks for coming on,

951
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: polic everybody. Go on and see House Maide December nineteenth.

952
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: Yes and tell your mom I said, hi, I love

953
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: her dearly. I mean, you did snatch your mom. And

954
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 1: you also did one of my favorites, Bridesmaids. Oh thank you,

955
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: which was a great. It was an amazing thing. For women.

956
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 1: I tried to do that with movie Wars.

957
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 4: My first successful bok okay, third, third, third, actual actual movie.

958
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 2: When when we went in to sell Bride Wars, we

959
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 2: we had to rated our comedy about women fighting over

960
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 2: this wedding, and it just got it just got slowly

961
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 2: like a HAUSPEPG thirteen, it has to be PG. And

962
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 2: I was like, women are we can we can laugh

963
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 2: at ourselves, we can be rated R. And I would

964
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 2: try to say, like, look at like all of the

965
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 2: comedies in the eighties with female driven comedies, they were

966
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: rated our comedies like week you know, and and when

967
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 2: you guys came out and were able to do it,

968
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 2: it did it so much for women, and so it was.

969
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 1: It was a big deal.

970
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 4: It was quite a efforts, very it was very lucky

971
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 4: to be to be involved.

972
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: It was awesome. But thanks Paul, and we'll see you

973
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: all appreciate. Talk to what a dapper man. He's so great.

974
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: He's so sweet. Is so great too, talking like this.

975
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: It could be like a radio guy. He's like, yeah, Casey,

976
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: case I love it.

977
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: I love talking movies so much because I love making

978
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 2: them and I love doing it and it's so fun.

979
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: And it's like we're so lucky and and and and

980
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 1: anybody was a theater guy.

981
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 2: So oh that was so great. And I love the

982
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 2: girls in it. I've been spending actually time with them,

983
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 2: so I've been spending time. I've seen Sydney quite a bit,

984
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 2: and I've seen Amanda, and they're both so great and

985
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 2: so sweet and everybody should go see these movies. There

986
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 2: are movies. There's a couple of them coming up with

987
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 2: this one looks really fun. So all right, great, love you,

988
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 2: love you,