1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: You're listening to Ron and Nanian The Car Doctor, nationally 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: recognized auto expert trusted by Mechanics, Weekend wrenchers and vehicle 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: owners alike. Ron brings over forty years of hands on 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: experience and deep industry insight to help you understand your vehicle. 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: Join the Conversation live every Saturday from two to four 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 1: pm Eastern by calling eight five to five five six 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: zero nine nine zero zero. That's eight five to five 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: five six zero ninety nine hundred. Here direct line to 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: honest answers and practical advice. Looking for more, visit cardctorshow 10 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: dot com for past episodes, repair tips, and Ron's latest insights, 11 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: and be sure to subscribe to the Car Doctor YouTube 12 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: channel for exclusive videos, real repair footage and more. Now 13 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: start your enginies. The Car Doctor is in the garage 14 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: and ready to take your call. 15 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: I want to know, and I'm trying to keep it 16 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: real right because that's what you guys want. You want 17 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 2: real car Doctor's stuff. Somebody asked me, whats and how 18 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: long does it take you to get ready to do 19 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 2: the show? And I you know, I'm either doing it 20 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: all the time in my head or I don't do 21 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 2: it at all I just sit down and I start talking. 22 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: This is sit down and start talking kind of a show. Frankly, 23 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 2: I was really going to sit down. I want to 24 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 2: talk to you about reflashing and how reflashing fixed a 25 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 2: buick this week that I didn't expect it to fix 26 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 2: because the bulletin wasn't supposed to work and we knew 27 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 2: that going in, and I wanted to make a whole 28 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: big thing about that. But then I went for bagels today. 29 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 2: Bagels are a weekend tradition if you're from New Jersey, 30 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 2: especially North Jersey. It's sort of like, you know, it's 31 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 2: like soul food. If you're a North Jersey person, you 32 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 2: just got to get your bagels. And I guess it's 33 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 2: a New York thing, right, we all do our bagels. 34 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 2: And I noticed something. I bought a dozen bagels. There 35 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: were seventeen bucks. Okay, that's not so bad. The price 36 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: of everything has gone up. I got three breakfast sandwiches. 37 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: Now in New Jersey, having tailor egg and cheese is 38 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: you know, it's a rite of passage, all right. In 39 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 2: North we call it tailor ham. In South Jersey, I 40 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 2: think they call it pork roll. 41 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 3: I don't know. 42 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: What they do in Central Jersey. But whatever it is, 43 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 2: everybody enjoys it. By the time I bought three sandwiches 44 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 2: and a dozen bagels, it was forty nine dollars in change. 45 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 2: And I sat there and I went, huh, Now, I 46 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 2: know things are going up, and I know things are expensive, 47 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 2: and I know we're all going to complain and say 48 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 2: it's taris and it's this and that. But still fifty 49 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: bucks for a dozen bagels and three sandwiches. It's not 50 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 2: the fifty dollars for that. I've never heard anybody complain 51 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 2: about it. I've never heard anybody complain about the price 52 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 2: of bagels and bacon, egg and cheese and tailor egg 53 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 2: and cheese sandwiches. But I hear so. And you know 54 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: where this is going, right, Hey, you want real wrong 55 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: here it is? How come everybody complains about the price 56 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: of an oil change? How come everybody complains about the 57 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: price of the thing that gets you back and forth 58 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: and keeps you safe and you commute out onto the 59 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 2: highway and you travel, and you go do business and 60 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 2: you go to do family. Nobody really says, gee, I 61 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 2: really appreciate getting a great oil change. Why is that? 62 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 2: Are we thinking, right, I don't think you are not 63 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 2: one minute. And I sat there and I watched this morning, right. 64 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 2: I watched the line of people walk in and out 65 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: of the bagel store, which, by the way, had the 66 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 2: sign up that said we charged one price for cash 67 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: and one price for credit card. M hm. So you 68 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 2: know how come they can get away with it? But 69 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 2: every other business seems to get stared at. And I 70 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 2: don't want to hear that. The food industry is hard 71 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 2: to make a living in. You know what, don't go 72 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 2: into the food industry. That's that's what it is. It's 73 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 2: you know, I'm talking about order repair. I'm going to 74 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: be a little selfish for a moment. Why is it 75 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,119 Speaker 2: nobody in the bagel line sat there and said, well, gee, 76 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 2: I can go get the dough, I can go get 77 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: the poppy seas, I can go get the everything fix, 78 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: and I can go buy my own tailor hand. I 79 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 2: can do this at home. Nobody talks about that. But 80 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 2: the first time you tell somebody an oil change, a 81 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: real oil change is close to two hundred dollars, you'd 82 00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 2: think we burned the Statue of liberty. It's just that crazy. 83 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, you hear well, I can 84 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 2: go to Walmart and I can buy oil for you know, 85 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 2: six dollars a court, three dollars a quart. I can 86 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: buy this oil filter for you know, ninety nine cents, 87 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: and I can do it in my driveway. And you 88 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 2: think you're getting just as good a bagel? Do you are? 89 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 4: You? 90 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 2: Are you really getting as good an oil change in 91 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 2: your driveway as the guy that's doing it in the bay. 92 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't think it can be. 93 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 2: I don't think you're getting a full look under the car. 94 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 2: I don't think you're getting a professional to sit there 95 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 2: and peek at brakes and check tires and wiggle the 96 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 2: front end, do a road test, a trained ear, a 97 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 2: certified mechanic. We're talking about a good oil change. We're 98 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 2: not talking about the local idiot. We're talking about somebody 99 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 2: that's taking the time to look the car over correctly. 100 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 2: Nobody talks about that. But everybody wants a cheap oil change. 101 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: But boy, that bagel. I can't wait till the bagel 102 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: price is hit, you know, thirty dollars for a dozen, 103 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 2: I want to say, everybody does, then what are you 104 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 2: paying for an oil change? I want to know. I 105 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 2: want to hear about it. I want to hear it 106 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 2: by email. I want to hear it by phone phones 107 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: A five to five five six zero nine nine zero 108 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 2: zero email me Ron at cardoctorshow dot com. What are 109 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 2: you paying for an oil change? Do you think it's 110 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 2: too much? Do you think it's not enough? Do you 111 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 2: know what you're actually getting? What does that oil change intel? 112 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 2: I see an awful lot of oil change mistakes made, 113 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 2: and I see an awful lot of things that have 114 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: to be corrected, the simplest of which is the drain 115 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 2: plug gasket on the drain plug. I'm not sure why, 116 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 2: and I've been talking about, complaining, about ranting about bitchin 117 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 2: about this for years that you know, if it's a 118 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 2: if it's some type of a metal gasket, we'll talk 119 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 2: about Honda's. Honda's a favorite, Nissan's right behind it, sometimes 120 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: Toyota's after that depends on what the GET drain plug 121 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 2: comes with from the factory. A Honda drain plug gasket 122 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:03,679 Speaker 2: by definition of Honda the manufacturer. The vehicle manufacturer says 123 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 2: change the aluminum drain plug gas get every oil change, 124 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 2: it's it's supposed to be done. That's not ron's rule. 125 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 2: That's manufacturer's rule supposed to be followed by the dealer 126 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 2: and everybody else doing an oil change to do it properly. 127 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 2: Why because they don't want you to overtighten the drain 128 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 2: plug to get it to seal and ruin the threads 129 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 2: in the oil pan. Ergo, that's where we get stripped 130 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: oil pants from. But yet I had won this week. 131 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 2: I had a Honda drain plug this week, I literally 132 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 2: had to. I ended up throwing it out because I 133 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 2: just I couldn't. I ended up I bolted the head 134 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: of the drain plug in a vice, and I took 135 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 2: a hammer and a chisel trying to get the drain 136 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,919 Speaker 2: plug gas get off because it was it was so 137 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 2: crushed and to the point of being deformed onto the 138 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 2: head of the bolt. And what do you do with that? 139 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: But nobody's complaining about We complained about Batels when they 140 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: made bad but we don't complain about the price. 141 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 5: Now. 142 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 2: I've had a few people come in and tell me, hey, 143 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 2: that's a great oil change you did. I really appreciate 144 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: because they sat there and they'll sit in the shop. 145 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: We'll do a waight to oil change and it takes 146 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 2: forty five minutes to an hour to do a proper 147 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 2: oil change on a lot of vehicles. I'm not talking 148 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 2: your bread and butter garden variety four cylinder wonder cars, 149 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 2: something from fifteen years ago, where it's around the block 150 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 2: up in the air. Still takes twenty minutes to a 151 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: half hour, but it's not We have to take down 152 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: body shields and panels and access and remove all these 153 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 2: rusty bolts that have been on there and corroded, because 154 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 2: everything corrodes within three to five years. I'm not talking 155 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 2: about that stuff, but people have come to appreciate a good, 156 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: thoroughly done oil change. I always tell everybody about maintenance. 157 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 2: We've been talking a lot about maintenance in the last 158 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 2: couple of weeks, right, I always tell everybody maintenance is 159 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 2: a very hard thing to sell because somebody comes in 160 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 2: and you do fifteen hundred dollars worth of service. Whatever 161 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: it is, you know, fuel system cleaning, cylinder examination, spark plugs, 162 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 2: you know, coolant, any kinds of fluids. It adds up quick, right, 163 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: twelve fifteen and eighteen things to move in chunks of 164 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 2: three hundred. You can spend two grand on some of 165 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 2: these maintenance. Suber Rus probably the worst suber Us at 166 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 2: sixty thousand miles. It's a major service. It's a lot 167 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 2: of work if you're doing it by the book, and 168 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 2: then if you're doing it by real world, the combination, 169 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 2: you know, like what does it need, where's the environment, 170 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: what's it operating in? But you don't really see the 171 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 2: value in that until much later, until you look down 172 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 2: at the odometer and you go, wow, the car's got 173 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 2: one hundred and forty thousand miles on it. It feels 174 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 2: really good, Like, I guess the money I spent a 175 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 2: sixty thousand got me here, and so does that proper 176 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 2: oil change? And somebody's gonna write me. Some internet troll 177 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 2: is going to write me and say, ron, I changed 178 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 2: my own oil and my car's got two hundred thousand 179 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 2: miles on it. Yeah, great, you're the guy. You're the 180 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: But the majority of people, because understand whom my area are, 181 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 2: and says my audience, the majority of my audience does 182 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 2: not do their own oil changes. They go somewhere and 183 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: they listen to the man behind the counter, and I'm 184 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 2: just trying to explain to them what they should be 185 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 2: looking for. To that man behind the counter, much like 186 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 2: they look to that man behind the counter to get 187 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 2: a good bagel. I've never heard anybody walk in and 188 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 2: say I need a dozen bagels. I want the coldest, 189 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 2: hardest tales. A matter of fact, give me yesterday's bagels. 190 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 2: That's what I want to pay for today. No, everybody 191 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 2: wants hot, fresh bagels. They always walk and say, hey, 192 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 2: the bagel's fresh. Is the oil change any good? How 193 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 2: good do you do an oil change? Somebody emailed me 194 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: this week and they wanted a price on something. Hey, 195 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 2: can you give me a price quote on I don't 196 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 2: even know what it was because I didn't give it 197 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 2: really much of a thought because they didn't even tell 198 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: me what kind of vehicle it was, which made the 199 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 2: whole point conversation kind of ridiculous. But nobody asked me, 200 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 2: and nobody ever really asks me, how well do I 201 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 2: do this repair? What effort goes into this repair? Am 202 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 2: I qualified to do this repair? They just assumed, because 203 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 2: probably because their father did it forty five years ago 204 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 2: and he's dead now. But you know, his father told 205 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 2: him the story when he was sitting on his lap 206 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 2: when he was seven, and he remembers that fifty years later. 207 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 2: It's gonna be a good hour. Eight five, five, five, 208 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 2: six oh nine nine zero zero. Come on back, let's 209 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 2: talk about it. I'm ronnin Eny and the car doctor. Okay, 210 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 2: I'm calm. See I start talking about oil changes, and 211 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 2: I get a little off the rails. It just because 212 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 2: I compare everyday life to cars, and I just look 213 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 2: at the inequality, and I don't think we understand it. 214 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: Because order repairs a vital, vital part of our society. 215 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 2: Let's talk to Billy in Colorado. Billy, talk to me. 216 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 2: What's going on? 217 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 6: Hey, Ron, good to talk to you, you two, sir. 218 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 6: So this one's got a sordid backstory. I'll keep it 219 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 6: as short as I can. It's a two thousand and 220 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 6: six pathfinder with the four leader V six right. Came 221 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 6: to me two years ago, needed new primary cats, and 222 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 6: uh so, the the good ones were twenty four hundred, 223 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 6: the cheap ones verse seven hundred. So I took a 224 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 6: chance on the cheap ones. That's a mistake I'll never 225 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 6: make again. And uh so, just. 226 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 2: Out of curiosity, Just out of curiosity, Billy, is there 227 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: any do you recall? Is there any physical difference between 228 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 2: the aftermarket cat versus the O wee cat and say. 229 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and in manufacturing quality, don't even get me started. 230 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 4: It didn't. 231 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 6: It was horrible. 232 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 2: You get what you paid for, right, Oh? 233 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 6: If that ye? So at that time when I first 234 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 6: did the work, the timing chain had a nasty rattle 235 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 6: to it did not have the vacuum supercharger wine and 236 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 6: the owner decided to keep putting that off. So it 237 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 6: comes back to me a month ago, two years after 238 00:11:55,800 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 6: the original repair, and it was it had a PO 239 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 6: three hundred and reduced power. And I knew what the 240 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 6: problem was before I even looked at the car, just 241 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 6: as it as it pulled up to my house, I 242 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 6: could hear the blown exhaust gasket. It blew out between 243 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 6: the primary and secondary cats because the packing that holds 244 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 6: the element in the metal housing disintegrated and clogged the 245 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 6: secondary cat and the pressure just blew out the gasket 246 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 6: in between. So the cat was still under warranty because 247 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 6: it's a cow cat, which is required to Colorado right, 248 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 6: And so replaced the primary cat, got it the secondary 249 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 6: cat and put it back together and it ran great 250 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 6: for a month. Just came back with the same symptoms 251 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 6: as far as the PO three hundred and reduced power. 252 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 6: And when it came months ago, the the timing chain 253 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 6: noise had gotten much worse. Clank and rattles is awful. 254 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 6: So we were talking about doing it, and it was 255 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 6: getting close to the point where he thought he might. 256 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 6: You know, he's kind of go, no. 257 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 2: Go on the cars man, how many how many miles 258 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 2: on the car? 259 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 6: Two and fifty? 260 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 4: Right? 261 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 6: And uh So, anyway, it it comes in yesterday and 262 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 6: same symptoms except no exhaust leak and the clank and 263 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 6: rattle is horrible. I'm like, you know, it could be 264 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 6: another cat problem somehow, or it could finally be having 265 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 6: you know, failure from the timing chain. So to check 266 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 6: for exhaust blockage, I did a man of a vacuum 267 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 6: test and it passed. It's you know, getting normal response 268 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 6: on the vacuum. 269 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 2: What was MANIFL vacuum bill at Idle. 270 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 6: Well, so it's a it's sixteen. Remember we get lower vacuums. 271 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you're because you're Europe in the mountains. Sure. 272 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 6: Sure, it was sixteen at Idol and then it went 273 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 6: up to about seventeen at about two to three thousand 274 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 6: r pm. 275 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 2: Still seems low. I have to tell you know, even 276 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 2: with raised elevation, that still seems off by a couple 277 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 2: of points. 278 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 6: Right, Well, you know it's you know, it's not It's 279 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 6: not in your car, that's for sure. 280 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I'm just saying i'd be curious, 281 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 2: you know, you might want to you might want to 282 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 2: just do a quick vacuum test on something else of 283 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 2: similar lineage, just to compare, just for curiosity sake. All right, 284 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 2: that's that's that's number one. Is it using coolant at all? 285 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 2: Are you going through any coolant? 286 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 4: No? 287 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 2: Okay, So so the real question is, you know it's misfiring. 288 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 2: Which comes first? Is the cat melting? 289 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 4: Is it? 290 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 2: Is it damaged from something? Or is it is it 291 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 2: misfiring causing the cat failure? Which came first? The chicken 292 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 2: or the egg? 293 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 6: So the the cat that I replaced, uh the second 294 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 6: time is on the left bank, and it's adding fuel 295 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 6: on the left bank. So that's almost certainly where the 296 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 6: mysfires are coming from. 297 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 2: And what is the what is the difference in fuel 298 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 2: trim left or right bill? 299 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 6: It's adding it's basically zero on the right bank, and 300 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 6: it's uh it's adding like uh ten to fifteen percent 301 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 6: on the left bank. 302 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 2: That's that's a pretty good that's a pretty good off 303 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 2: base measurement. So what that's what that's telling me is 304 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 2: the left side of the motor is running lean. 305 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 6: Yes, or or you know that you know, it's just 306 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 6: it's mysfiring. So you've got both, you know, unburnt. 307 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 2: Fuel and oxygen. Sure oxygen? Is it? Is it physically 308 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 2: misfiring at the time that you're doing your fuel trim measurement? 309 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, listening run runs like uh runs badly? 310 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 2: Gotcha? Thank you? I gotcha? 311 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 4: Yeah? 312 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 2: Okay, So it's got a it's got a physical miss 313 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 2: So has it identified anyone but ticular cylinder more sowers. 314 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 2: It's just a P zero three hundred. 315 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 6: Just three hundred. And I did a load balance test 316 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 6: power balance test, and nothing jumped out at me. 317 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 2: Well, and I don't know if it's accurate to do 318 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 2: that now, because if you've got the physical misfire, does 319 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 2: it have a good cat on it or a bad 320 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 2: cat on it? Now? 321 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 3: Right? 322 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 6: Well, I mean that's you know, basically, I want to 323 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 6: figure out what tests I can do, you know, before 324 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 6: I tear open the exhaust again to find out. 325 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 2: I would want to do. You own a borscope sure. 326 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 2: Can we look at can we look at the piston 327 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 2: tops or the intake valves left bank to right bank. 328 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 2: I'm wondering, if I'm wondering if this engine is burning oil, 329 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 2: I'll ask I don't think so. You wonder if he 330 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 2: knows he has mentioned it? You know, it might maybe 331 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 2: it's burning two quarts of oil in between his five 332 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 2: thousand mile oil change intervals? Or is the next question? 333 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 2: What is his oil drain interval? Right? How often does 334 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 2: he change the oil? 335 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 6: You know, I honestly don't know, and that sort of. 336 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 2: Comes to mind. So do this because I'm gonna run 337 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 2: out of clock. Let's borescope it. Do we have carbon 338 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 2: deposits left to right? What's an oil consumption issue? If 339 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 2: we pressurize the cooling system, plugs out, pressurize the cooling system, 340 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 2: come back in the morning. If we look with our borescope, 341 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 2: do we see coolant in any of the cylinders on 342 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 2: the left side? We probably won't, but we'll eliminate the fact. 343 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 2: Could we have a cep head guests gut on one 344 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 2: side versus the other, causing coolant leaks causing the cat 345 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 2: to self destruct. Let's start looking for the good and 346 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 2: the bed. I'll talk to you next week, Billy. I 347 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 2: always appreciate our conversations. I'm running eny in the car doctor. 348 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 2: I'll be back at eight five five five six zero 349 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 2: nine nine zero zero right after. 350 00:17:46,480 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 5: This from the ctreet to the oven rule tonight. If 351 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 5: you run his head, Ron will keep you all right. Yeah, 352 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 5: he's a car doctor. 353 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 2: Car advisor. I didn't know we had a full band 354 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 2: in the green room back there. I didn't realize the 355 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 2: studio was that big. Did you guys had a wing 356 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 2: that I didn't say. You weren't looking well, I'll tell 357 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 2: you what, boy, just they're really because I heard some 358 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 2: noise in the background over here at corporate headquarters, and 359 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 2: I guess it was the band warming up. I don't 360 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 2: tell the American public, they'll complain. Let's go to Greg 361 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 2: and Florida. Greg, Yes, sir, how are you? 362 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 4: Hey? I'm blessed. How are you? 363 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 2: I'm good man? What's going on? 364 00:18:58,480 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 4: Hey? Yeah, I talked to you. 365 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 7: I think it was three weeks ago about my should 366 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 7: be van and the quadrijet carburetor that was having hot 367 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 7: start issues, right, and I, uh, well, I want to 368 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 7: correct something I said. I've been working on it for 369 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 7: trying to fix it for eleven years. But the truth 370 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 7: is I haven't had it author a part in at 371 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,360 Speaker 7: least five years, maybe six or seven. But I've been 372 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 7: thinking about fixing it right. 373 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 2: Well, thinking counts, right, thinking counts. Sometimes sometimes we get 374 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 2: credit for enthusiasm. So uh huh, So you took it 375 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 2: apart and you tried to rebuild it, or you rebuilt it, 376 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 2: or where does it stand now? 377 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 7: I decided to do another kid on it. H And 378 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 7: I had got it apart, and the needle valve was 379 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 7: one of the worst one, maybe the worst one I 380 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 7: ever saw. I don't know how it even ran. The 381 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 7: needle valve looked terrible on right. So you know, maybe 382 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,479 Speaker 7: when I fixed it five or six years ago, it's 383 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 7: probably gotten worse over the years. 384 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 2: Did you did you happen to look at what I suggested? 385 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 2: I think this is the car where I talked about 386 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 2: the solder plugs in the base of the carburet coming loose. 387 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 7: Well, I looked at them and they looked fine, they 388 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 7: looked solid, but I epoxied them anyway, and uh oh, 389 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 7: and I put a metal brass float in at this time. 390 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 2: Okay, and you're gonna tell me you're gonna tell me 391 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 2: it got better, but it's still it's still it's still floods. 392 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 7: Well, it's better, but I don't want to say it's 393 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 7: flooding now because I haven't. 394 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:25,719 Speaker 4: Seen any black smoke. 395 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 7: Okay, it's starting a little easier, so I'm thinking maybe 396 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 7: it's my spark plugs. 397 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 2: Well, have you put plugs in it since you rebuilt 398 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 2: the carburetor? 399 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 4: No? 400 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 2: Have you driven it since you rebuilt the carburetor? 401 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 4: Yes? 402 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 2: Have you gotten the engine up to running temperature and 403 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 2: taken it for a you know, an hour's ride? 404 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I've driven it all right. 405 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 2: Have you pulled the plug? 406 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 4: Got an hour? But you know you have you metes? 407 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 2: Have you pulled the plug yet? 408 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:52,360 Speaker 4: Well? 409 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 7: I pulled out number eight because I've had an oil 410 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 7: fouling issue in the past, but I'm running an engine attitude. 411 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 7: That's the oil consumption down a lot on it, right, 412 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 7: And the number eight plug didn't have any oil on it. 413 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 4: It had had some fuel deposits. 414 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:09,959 Speaker 2: Okay, was it was it? 415 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 4: And I put it back in? 416 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 2: Was it wettish? 417 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 4: Didn't know it was? It was dry? 418 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 2: Okay. Did it look black? 419 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 4: No, it was clean looking it. 420 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 7: Like I said, it just had some light colored fuel 421 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 7: deposits on it. 422 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,719 Speaker 2: What are what are fuel deposits? Greg? I don't think 423 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 2: I've ever heard that term. 424 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 7: They're like, uh, a real fine build up. I kind 425 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 7: of like a rock is kind of. They're kind of 426 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 7: like cement, but like an alabaster color. 427 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 2: You sure that's not oil? 428 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure it's not oil? 429 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 2: Okay? Are you consuming? Does it? Does this engine burn oil? 430 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 7: The use of some but like I said, when I 431 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 7: started using the added of that, it cut it way down. 432 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so where does it stand now? What's 433 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 2: the question? 434 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 7: Uh, I'm still having a little bit of issue with 435 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 7: the hot starts. I'm not getting the black smoke. And well, 436 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 7: I wanted to ask you about the spark plug. See 437 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 7: the ones I got in there are n gk iridium, right, 438 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 7: so I'm suspecting those, but I don't know. 439 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 2: Well what kind of well, let's let's what kind of 440 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 2: shape is the rest of the ignition system? And this 441 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 2: seventy five was the second year for CHI. If I 442 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 2: recall correctly, this has some type of electronic ignition in it. Correct? 443 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's got a HI right, and you. 444 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 2: Know how old are the wires? What kind of shape 445 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 2: is the is the cap and rotor in? If you 446 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 2: tell me you replaced it, my next question is going 447 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 2: to be whose were they? Was it good quality? Have 448 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 2: you purchased a spark tester from your local otoparts house 449 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 2: and look to see will this thing? You know, will 450 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 2: it jump a gap of forty thousands? Will it? Will 451 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 2: it jump a gap of fifty thousands? 452 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 4: Well? 453 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 2: You know, will it produce? Will that ignition coil that's 454 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 2: fifty two years old produce enough spark to fire this 455 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 2: cold engine to get into those conversations in your head? 456 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 4: Right? 457 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 5: Right? 458 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 7: It sounds like something worth considering it. It's got Packard 459 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 7: spark plug wires on it. I don't know if those 460 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 7: are any good or not. 461 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 2: I think those are original. 462 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 7: Oh well, no, I put them on there. I've changed wires, 463 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 7: the plug wires on it twice since I've had it. 464 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 2: Okay, how long god you do them? 465 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 7: Uh? Probably been five or six years at least, But 466 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 7: it hasn't had that many miles on it. 467 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,360 Speaker 2: I mean, Packard's a good product, But again, I would 468 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 2: start testing things before I just keep replacing things. Do 469 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 2: you have any kind of a spark tester? Greg, Let's 470 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 2: cut to the chase. 471 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 7: Well, I got the one where I can hold the 472 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 7: UH wire off from the engine blocking. 473 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 2: Well, there's there's there's a bunch of there's a bunch 474 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 2: of yeah. One, I mean, there's a bunch of different 475 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 2: ones out there. You can go down to a parts 476 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 2: house and they make it where it alligator clips to 477 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 2: the engine is ground and then the other side plugs 478 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 2: into the spark plug wire and then you can adjust 479 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 2: the gap. So you can adjust and see what'll it reduce? 480 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 2: Thirty thousand volts? Fifty thousand volts, sixty thousand volts. I 481 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 2: believe Hi in seventy five was producing somewhere between thirty 482 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 2: and fifty thousand vaults. And you want to look and 483 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 2: see does it produce that much spark? Can it produce 484 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 2: that much spark? 485 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 3: Right? 486 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:16,879 Speaker 5: The thing? 487 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 2: The other thing we're gonna want to be aware of, 488 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 2: and it's easy enough to do in seventy five, is 489 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 2: can we do some kind of a cylinder power balance test? 490 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 2: You know, get it get it hot, get it warm, 491 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 2: make sure you know it just the carburetor as good 492 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 2: as you can, right, does it idle smooth? If you 493 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 2: put a rag you might take two over the top 494 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 2: of the primary side of the carburetor. Does the engine 495 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 2: choke out, does it stall or does the engine speed 496 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 2: increase and run smoother? Meaning and if it does, that 497 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 2: shows me that we've got an internal problem in the carburetor. 498 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 2: Restrict the passageway, fuel in lit problems, something fuel enrichment 499 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 2: that you are cutting off air supply, changing the way 500 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 2: it runs, meaning that even though you rebuilt it and 501 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 2: put a kit and that it really should probably carburetor 502 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 2: should probably go out to somebody that'll do a professional 503 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 2: job and flow it on a bench. All right, So 504 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 2: putting gaskets in and getting a carburetor professionally rebuilt these days, 505 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 2: I think I pointed this out in our first conversation. 506 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 2: Could you have a throttle shaft that's worn? And I'd 507 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 2: be amazed if you didn't. That is allowing a leak 508 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 2: and causing an air problem, and that can be the 509 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 2: cause of a hard start. You know, there's not a 510 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 2: lot here. You've got to eliminate ignition. This is a lawnmower, Greg, 511 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 2: Right here we go. We've got to eliminate ignition. We've 512 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 2: got to eliminate compression mechanical stuff, and we've got to 513 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 2: eliminate fuel. Have you stuck a vacuum gauge on the 514 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 2: engine to see what manifold vacuum is at idle when 515 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 2: the engine's warmed up and running. 516 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I did. 517 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 7: I just did that after rebuilding the carburetor and it's 518 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 7: almost eighteen steady idling. 519 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 2: Okay, that's a good number. I like the number. 520 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 6: Right. 521 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 2: You may want to try adjusting mixture with the vacuum 522 00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,719 Speaker 2: gauge on there and play with it a little bit. 523 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 2: What gives you the best results? 524 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 4: Okay? 525 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 2: You know, you got to remember you're dealing with something 526 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 2: that's fifty one, almost fifty two years old. You can 527 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 2: follow specs and you can follow procedures, but some things 528 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 2: are going to go out the window because some things 529 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 2: have warner age to the point that it's not accounted 530 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 2: for in a factory procedure when the when the engine 531 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 2: in the vehicle was factory fresh, right, right, So a 532 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 2: little bit more fuel, a little bit more or less timing. 533 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 2: But I've got to cover the basics vacuum spark capability 534 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 2: and don't just keep throwing parts at it. And if 535 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 2: you have any doubt, try and find somebody that if 536 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 2: they do rebuild the carburetor ask them, do you flow 537 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 2: bench test the carburetor, meaning they will run a special, 538 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 2: a particular fluid through It's not gasoline, but they run 539 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 2: a fluid through it that has the same density as 540 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 2: gasoline because they're looking for, you know, flow through the 541 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 2: ports and they can actually measure how that carburetor will work. 542 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 2: There used to be guys out there that did that. 543 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 2: Most of them are gone now all right, yeah, you know. 544 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 2: The other option is if you wanted to try it, 545 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 2: if you have a local Where did I get it from? 546 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 2: I found a great carburetor for the Monte Carlo through 547 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 2: Advance Auto Parts. They've got there in line with some 548 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,479 Speaker 2: company that's doing rebuilding, and I was impressed. The company 549 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 2: that rebuilt the carburetor, the name escapes me. They're out 550 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 2: of Chicago, bubble wrap, sealed, flow tested. They did it 551 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 2: just right. So do that and you give me a 552 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 2: call back and we can kind of go from there. 553 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 4: All right, kiddo, are you running the quadrant yet? On 554 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 4: your money Carlo? 555 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 2: Now to GC right now? 556 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 7: Okay, well, I'm considering putting that on my Chevy Man. 557 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 4: I've got one. 558 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what before you do that, Greg, 559 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 2: let's get it running right, and let's get some of 560 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 2: the other things covered first before you start changing parts 561 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 2: and making it worse. Call me back, I'm running any 562 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 2: in the car, doctor. I'll return right after this. Let's 563 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 2: go to Renee in Maine real quick, seventeen PACIFICA. What's 564 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 2: going on Renee? 565 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it started back last year. We actually I 566 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 3: was driving down the road and this is where it 567 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 3: all started, is I cracked the subprame on my vehicle, 568 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 3: just driving and just snapped. There was no rust, there 569 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 3: was no nothing. After that, we had to have some 570 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 3: breaks and rotors all around replaced. Obviously we had that done, 571 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 3: and then most recently we had to take it in 572 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 3: for some kind of like what we thought was the 573 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 3: breaks and rotors. Again, the breaks and roaders were done 574 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 3: back in May, mind you, and there was also like 575 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 3: almost kind of like a snapping sound and that like 576 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 3: the front end when you would kind of turn. The 577 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 3: guy couldn't said that our breaks and roaders were fine. 578 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 3: There was no wear or tear on them. He and 579 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 3: we were like, well, you know, this is what's happening 580 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 3: when we when we were breaking after a high speed, 581 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 3: it would shake consistently. 582 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 2: Steering wheel would shake renee. 583 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't so No, it wasn't really in the 584 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 3: steering wheel, Like you could feel a slight vibration in 585 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 3: the steering wheel. But the biggest area that we were 586 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 3: finding that we were feeling it is in the floorboard 587 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 3: if okay, your foot was going to go through the floorboard. 588 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 2: Okay, so was the brake pedal pulsing up and down 589 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 2: and you feel it more in the seed of your pants, 590 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 2: but a little bit in the steering wheel. 591 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 3: No, not at all. The brake pedal seems to be 592 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 3: very steady. It seems steady. Yeah, it feels like it's 593 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 3: like under the like in the floor. 594 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 2: Okay. So so my concern becomes, you know, you had 595 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 2: some sort of subframe repair or did they replace the subframe. 596 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 3: That was completely replaced? 597 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 2: Okay, good, that's really what should be done. So then 598 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 2: the next is how is the rest of the front suspension, 599 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 2: Tyrod's ball joints, things like that. Did they go through that? 600 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, we replaced this this feeling that we're feeling. You 601 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 3: can feel it on the passenger side, but you can 602 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 3: mostly feel it on the driver side. We did while 603 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 3: it was in there, getting the brakes and rotors rechecked. 604 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 3: We had both inner and outer tyrod and done on 605 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 3: the passenger side. All brakes, rotors, bushings all look good 606 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 3: according to the shop that we're taking it. 607 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 2: Okay, So looking at it and measuring it are two 608 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 2: different things a vehicle. A vehicle can have good looking 609 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 2: brake roadors and thick enough brake pads and still have 610 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 2: a brake rotor that's out of round. 611 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 3: So here's another thing is because we are breaks, my 612 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 3: husband actually did the brakes and roadors himself, and because 613 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 3: of that, our brake pads and rotors were actually still 614 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 3: under warranty. So to make sure that we covered all bases. 615 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 3: After the tyrod ends were replaced it, we brought it 616 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 3: right home. We took those brake pads of rotors off, 617 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 3: we brought them in and we got brand new, a 618 00:30:58,520 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 3: brand new set. 619 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 2: And it still does the same thing. 620 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 3: And it's still doing the same thing, and. 621 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 2: It only does it when you step on the brake, step. 622 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 3: On the brake, or sometimes like when we're selling accelerating 623 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 3: up a hill, you know, we notice it like it 624 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 3: like starts to like, you know, just a little bit, the. 625 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 2: Steering wheel starts to shake when you're accelerating up a 626 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 2: hill a little bit, but not as but not as bad. Right, Okay, 627 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 2: there's two things I would like to see done to 628 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 2: this car, all right, I would I would really like 629 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 2: to see somebody put a dial indicator, which is a 630 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 2: very accurate measurement device, on the face of the brake 631 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 2: roaders and spin it, all right. It will give them 632 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 2: the ability to see if something is out of round 633 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 2: and concentric, meaning that it's it's it's spinning square to itself. 634 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,959 Speaker 2: All right, So I want to dial indicate the front roaders. 635 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 2: I probably want to dial indicate the front hubs, just 636 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 2: because this car had a subframe and a bunch of 637 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 2: other front end work. Is everything square and where it 638 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 2: should be? And I'd like to do that to the 639 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 2: rear of the vehicle, all right? And then I'd like 640 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 2: to make sure do we have are the motor and 641 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 2: trans mounts correct because they had the subframe down, Is 642 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 2: everything tight? Is everything in line? And did they do 643 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 2: an alignment to this vehicle? And what does the alignment 644 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 2: look like? 645 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 4: Yeah? 646 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 3: We did actually when we had the tyron ends in there, 647 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 3: they did an alignment as well. 648 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, then let's do those things that I just 649 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 2: discussed and you give me a call back and you 650 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 2: let me know what they're saying. We can go further 651 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 2: if we have to, but I think you're going to 652 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 2: find an answer with one of those two tests. I 653 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 2: appreciate it. Renee, good luck. Let me know. I'm ronnin 654 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 2: Andy and the Car Doctor. I'll be back right after 655 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 2: this feedback this hour, Todd writes in Todd's a Technician. 656 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 2: Writing in he says, Hey, I'm listening to the show. 657 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 2: I want to tell you, for the guy with the 658 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,959 Speaker 2: Chevy Van that the spec is sixty to eighty thousand volts, 659 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 2: and if it doesn't jump either one of those, or 660 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 2: it doesn't jump eighty at a max, then the coil 661 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 2: is no good. I get it. I think some of 662 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 2: the early ones were less Todd, but I appreciate the thought. It's, 663 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 2: you know, fifty two years ago. It was a long time, 664 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 2: but let's get him started using a spark tester and 665 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 2: see if he can do that, and maybe that'll kind 666 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 2: of push things along and help get him going in 667 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 2: the right direction. But I appreciate your sharing your memories 668 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 2: right because that was a while ago. And Dodge writes 669 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 2: in talking about the band needs to start playing some 670 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 2: different songs, one of which is Run's oil change is 671 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 2: Gonna cost You. I think we're gonna move Dodge over 672 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 2: to the cheap oil change side of things because Dodge 673 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 2: doesn't want to pay for service and quality. Dodge wants 674 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 2: to do it the cheap way. But we say that 675 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 2: with love, like I know Dodge writes his emails with love, because, 676 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 2: after all, while else would he be listening to the 677 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 2: show just to aggravate me. Nah, I don't think so. 678 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 2: But any event, I hope you got something out of 679 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 2: this hour. I know I did, and I was glad 680 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 2: to help everybody where I could. And I think you've 681 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 2: got to remember when we're giving out test specs and 682 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 2: we talk about things to do, and we're just trying 683 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 2: to get you guys back on the point of testing, 684 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 2: not guessing, and trying to you know what's good, what's bad, 685 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 2: and stop instead of looking just for what's bad till 686 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 2: the next time I'm running any In the card Doctor, 687 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 2: the mechanics aren't expensive, They're priceless.