WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Getting Closer 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:06.439 Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:13.200 the Bengals Booth Podcast. The I'm getting closer to my 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:19.520 home addition, as we take a final look at training 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:23.000 camp before turning our attention next week to the home 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:26.920 opener against the LA Chargers. Coming up, I'll talk to 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:31.240 CBS Sports senior NFL writer Pete Prisco, who says the 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:35.120 Bengals will win one or two Super Bowls in the 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:39.280 next decade with Joe Burrow at quarterback. If you didn't 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:44.000 already like Pete Prisco, you will after our conversation. Then 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:47.360 Dave Lapham joins me for nearly forty minutes to wrap 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:50.680 up training camp as we'll answer questions like who were 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:54.880 the biggest stars, the biggest surprises, the biggest disappointment, and 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:59.640 much more. The Bengals Booth Podcast is presented by Prime Sport, 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:04.240 the official hospitality partner of the Cincinnati Bengals. And here's 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:06.440 a quick reminder that you can have the latest edition 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:10.039 of this podcast delivered write to your phone, tablet, or 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:15.400 computer by subscribing on iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play, Spotify, or 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:21.319 pod Bean. It's the greatest thing since a handwritten note, 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:26.400 the greatest sports broadcaster of all time, Vin Scully has 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:30.120 decided to auction off his memorabilia to take care of 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:34.360 his children and grandchildren, as well as contribute toward medical research. 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:39.400 There are three hundred five items up forbid online, including 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:43.679 a handwritten note that Peyton Manning sent to Scully on 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:48.360 the occasion of Vin's retirement. It reads as follows, Dear 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:51.800 mister Scully, I just wanted to congratulate you on your 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:55.680 unbelievable broadcasting career. To perform at the highest level for 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:58.520 as long as you have is truly incredible. I know 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:00.960 that I speak from millions of sports fans when I 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:04.480 say thank you for coming into our homes and calling 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:08.440 so many memorable games. I wish you all the best 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:12.639 in the post broadcasting chapter of your life. I hope 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:19.720 our paths cross someday. Congratulations again, sincerely Peyton Manning. How 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:24.000 great is that? I love Peyton Manning and Vin Scully. 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:27.440 And by the way, the current bid for that handwritten note, 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:31.400 at least as of this podcast, is a pretty reasonable 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:34.280 one hundred forty nine bucks. If you would like to 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:40.720 check it out, just google Vin Scully Hunt Hunt Auctions. 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:45.440 Now let's get to football. One of My favorite NFL 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:49.520 writers in broadcasters is Pete Prisco from CBS Sports, mostly 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:53.240 because he offers smart opinions, but also because he doesn't 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:57.120 fall for the usual lazy national narratives that are used 0:02:57.160 --> 0:03:00.280 to take shots at the Bengals. He's critic call of 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:03.800 the team when warranted, but he'll also give the Bengals 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:07.239 credit when credit is due, and he certainly did that 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:10.720 when we spoke this week. Pete. Back at April, you 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:14.959 tweeted the following, I love Joe Burrow's game. He will 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:18.640 be a star. What do you love? Well, it starts 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:21.000 with the attitude. And I'm a big believer and a 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:24.800 guy having a swagger and he has it. And you know, 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:27.359 just spending the previous amount of time I've been with him, 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:30.440 I just love the way he handles himself. He's got 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:32.160 a chip on his shoulder. I mean, he's the first 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:33.760 guy to tell you, look I did I didn't come 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:36.920 to conventional way, and I'm gonna play that way, you know, 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:39.880 And I think that's the most important things. And having 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:42.320 talked to guys and we had Zach Taylor on this week, 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:46.040 and listen to how he handles the huddle. That tells 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:47.720 you acts like a veteran, so I think he had 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:49.920 it all together. You remind by the way, one more 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:51.600 thing he reminds me of Tom Brady, the way you 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:55.320 maneuvers a pocket, and that's a really good trait to 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:57.600 have in the NFL. He's a little more athletic to 0:03:57.600 --> 0:03:59.760 tom Brady, but he can maneuver of that pocket make plays. 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:03.520 I would think that's about the highest praise you could 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:05.800 give to a rookie quarterback to mention him in the 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:09.040 same sentence as Tom Brady. Yeah, it is. And I'm 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:11.440 not comparing him to tom Brady. Yeah, I mean I 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:13.280 I remember watching him at LSU last year and I 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:15.480 sent that tweet out and everybody got all over me. No, 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:17.840 he's not tom Brady. He just reminds me of tom 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:20.280 Brady the way he handles a pocket. He's much more 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:22.280 athletic than tom Brady and doesn't have the arm that 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:25.719 tom Brady has, but but he just reminds me of 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:28.800 him in terms of getting away from pressure, stepping up, 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:31.680 feeling it, feeling comfortable to pocket, and keeping his eyes 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:34.080 down the field. And and that's a big thing for 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:38.080 a young quarterback. We're chatting with Pete Prisco from CBS Sports. 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:42.760 When other national reporters pushed the narrative that Joe Burrow 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:44.599 is going to try to pull an Eli Manning to 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.720 avoid coming to Cincinnati, you push back and said that 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:51.760 was dumb. What did you see that so many others didn't? Well, 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:53.880 I mean, what is he gonna do? Sit out a 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:57.440 season and not play, you know? And it didn't make 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:59.560 any sense. And I remember asking him about that at 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:01.680 the comp. We were just having a conversation about it. It 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:03.360 It wasn't for all the record or anything. He said, 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:06.279 I don't know where that ever came from. I said, 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:07.720 And I told him. I looked him in the eye. 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:10.080 I said, you know, if i'm you, I say, I'm 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:12.640 going in there and I'm going to change the culture. 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:15.440 It's going to be entirely different when I leave. And 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:17.919 he said, that's exactly how I feel. And so I 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:20.120 don't know where that came from and why that even, 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:22.479 you know, people ran with that. It made no sense 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:24.640 to me. He had no other option but to play 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:26.839 for the Bengals, and he's from up there. Why would 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:29.040 he not want to play for the Bengals. Did it 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:32.760 feel like clickbait to you? Oh? It was clickbait. It was, 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:35.000 and you know when one does it, too does it? 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:37.000 Four does it? Eight does it? And then it's sixteen 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:40.200 and then it's a story and you know, you know 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:43.640 how that goes. And guys ran with it, and guys 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:46.040 in the national media ran with it. I don't understand 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:47.560 why they did. He was always going to play there. 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:50.080 We're talking to Pete Prisco. You can follow him on 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:53.919 Twitter at Prisco CBS. What did you think of the 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:58.000 Bengals off season in general? I don't get a good offseason. 0:05:58.120 --> 0:05:59.920 I mean, it hurts that Trey Waynes isn't there. You 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:01.880 know that that's you know, one of the positions they 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:04.279 wanted to upgrade, and that hurt. But I think getting 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:06.200 Reader in the middle of that defense so will be 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:08.760 or on that line, will be a big addition for him, 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:11.000 you know, with Gino in that group. And I think 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:13.239 Sam Hubbert might be one of the most underrated players 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.560 in the league. I think the front is gonna be good. 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:17.919 I worry about the young linebackers, but I like the 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:20.520 guys they drafted. I think Logan Wilson is going to 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:23.440 be a big time player. I think they drafted well 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:25.480 at that position. They're going to be very young, as 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:28.280 you know, you know, Pratt the only guy with experience there. 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:30.839 And then I think, you know, you got a factor 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:33.960 in a couple of other things. One you get aj Greenback, 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:35.880 he's you know, and I still think he can play 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:39.200 at a really high level. Two you get Jonah Williams, 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:41.400 which is an extra first round pick. And so I 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:42.920 think you add all that up, and I think they've 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:45.279 had a very good offseason. What did you think of 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:48.560 Jonah going into last year's draft? Really good player. He's 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:51.000 going to be a solid left tackle for a long time. 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:52.839 You know, I don't know if he's ever going to 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:55.880 be Anthony Munio is good, but I think he's gonna 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.440 be a good, solid left tackle for a long time. 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:01.040 And that, you know, that's solidifies two important positions because 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:02.640 the center is a good player. You know, people don't 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:05.320 realize how good he is where he's going in his career. 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:08.799 So I think that was important to get that line 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:11.880 back on track again. And I think Mixon is going 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:13.520 to really be the guy who benefits from it in 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:16.320 a big way. Well, let's talk about Joe Mixon. Pete 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:19.560 analytics say you don't pay running backs the Bengals gave 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.680 him forty eight mill for four years. Good move or 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:26.560 bad move. I normally would say bad move, but he's 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:28.360 only about twenty four years old, and I don't think 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:30.520 that contracts that much out of whack. I think that 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:33.000 contracts in line with what the value of the position is. 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.840 So good move. And I think he only saw hints 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:39.560 of what he's going to be last season in the 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:41.400 second half. They had a hard time figuring out how 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:43.960 to use them exact Keller even said that, And they 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:45.640 figured it out in the second half of the season. 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:50.440 And what he went for one one in three games, 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:52.440 in three of the final four games. So I do 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:56.120 think that in this case it's warranted and it's not 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.400 a crazy contract. I think it's a fair contract for 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:01.640 both sides. He every over one hundred yards a game 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:04.360 over the last eight so you're right, they figured out 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:07.640 what was working best with him and this line. Yeah, 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:09.680 And I think that's only the scratch of the surface 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:13.119 with him. I really believe he's got, you know, leading 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:17.280 the league type potential in him, and I think what 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:19.960 he does in terms of running the football will be 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:22.360 enormous to help take the pressure off with Joe Burrow, 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:25.680 and let's face that their offense is loaded with playmakers, 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:28.560 and aj Green comes back that kicks boy down to two, 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:31.200 and then it keeps kicking other guys down. And I 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:34.280 think that, you know, dates flashed at times. You know, 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:37.880 if Roskin you saw Rows in Seattle in that big game, 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:39.280 I think if he could say on the field, he's 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:41.800 got ability. I like what they you have on offense. 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.280 I like what they have in the front seven. I 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:46.640 worry about the linebackers. Although I liked the players. I 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:49.640 just think the youth might show up there. And you know, 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:51.880 I think the secondary will be revitalized because I think 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:53.559 Jackson's going to play better than he did what he's 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:56.200 hurt last year. A few more questions for Pete Prisco 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:59.120 from CBS. You mentioned the recent interview with Zach Taylor. 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:03.000 Did anything really jump out from that conversation. Well, I 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:07.480 played for a clip that I that I had of 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:09.520 myself saying they were going to win one or two 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:12.320 Super Bowls and then next to heat in the next decade, 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.160 and he kind of said, well, let's slow down a 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:17.680 little bit. But I appreciate you saying that. I really 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:20.320 believe that I think they're building something there, and and 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:23.679 it takes a big time quarterback to have sustainable success 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:26.319 in the NFL. You have to have that guy, and 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:28.360 they have that guy, at least in my mind. I 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:30.560 think he's going to be a star player and he 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:33.280 will cure your ills. If you have ills, the great 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:35.839 quarterbacks cure him. If you don't have that guy, you're 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:37.959 gonna get exposed. And I think he's gonna cure whatever 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.200 ills they have in the long run. So yeah, I 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:42.160 think that was interesting he said that. Then. I also 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:43.600 liked what he said about him in the huddle. I 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:47.120 mean that he never acted like a rookie, and I 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:51.719 think that's big and important for a young quarterback. Do 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:54.319 you think the Bengals get a bad rap for how 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:58.000 they go about their business? Absolutely, I don't think there's 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:00.440 any question about that, And there's been year is where 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:03.720 the rap was deserved. But you know, the whole cheap 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:06.080 and you know they don't do things the right way. 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:08.520 They have a limited scouting department. I think I think that, 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:10.120 you know, Tope has done a really good job and 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:13.440 that Scott part probably way too underrated for what he's done. 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:16.160 And so yeah, I do think they get a bad rap. 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:18.040 And remember back they used to be the Bungles and 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:20.440 they used to get guys get in trouble and then 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:22.640 you know, but that's not what they are anymore. And 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:25.040 I think that culture has changed there and I think 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:27.559 it's a good thing. And as they get better, that 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:31.400 culture will continue to change. Pete assessed the AFC North 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.920 going into twenty twenty. See that's the problem. I think 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:36.400 the Bengals are gonna be that much better. That's a 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:39.880 tough division. I think Pittsburgh getting Roethlisburger back makes them 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:41.719 to me. I think they're gonna win a division. I 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:44.439 think their defense is outstanding. Most people will pick Baltimore. 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.319 I think they might have a little regression to the 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:51.120 norm this year. I think it'll be Pittsburgh one, Baltimore two, 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:55.160 Cleveland three, and Cincinnati four. But I wouldn't be shocked 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:58.079 if Cincinnati somehow finished ahead of the of the Browns. 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:00.600 I think they're gonna get to six, seven, eight wins 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:02.679 this year and then next year they're going to be 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:06.320 a playoff team. Where are you on Baker Mayfield. I 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:08.439 think last year is hard to grade him. I think 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:11.360 it's one of those situations where he had a bad 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:16.080 coach bad tackles. He ran for his life. He confidence 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:18.920 Wayne when he took too many shots. I think he's 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:21.600 got a chance to be a bounce back player. He's 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:23.680 got a lot of weapons. They improved the tackle spots 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:27.040 signing Conklin and drafted Wills. I think he'll be much better, 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:29.720 He'll be more He'll be much more closer to what 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:31.320 he was in the first year than what he was 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:34.920 last year. I think have you been pleasantly surprised by 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:37.880 how things have gone so far in NFL training camps 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:42.479 considering the pandemic that we're all going through. Yeah. Absolutely, 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:43.920 And you got to give a lot of credit to 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.280 a the owners who spent a boatload of money to 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:50.559 make those facilities you know, safe and you know maybe 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:52.600 so the protocols were all in place, because that's not 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:55.120 cheap to do with the plexi class and adding extra 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:57.040 lockers and the whole deal. They spent a lot of 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:58.600 money and they're not going to be making a lot 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:01.360 of money, so that's that's udos to them, but also 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:04.360 kudos to the players. I figured when this thing all 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:08.280 started that player number seventy five on every roster would 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:10.439 try and go out and show everybody he's in the NFL, 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:12.360 even though he knows he's not going to make the team, 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:14.760 and you know, go to the bars and go to 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:16.880 the restaurants and have people buying him drinks and getting 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:18.360 in the middle of parties and stuff, and then he 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:20.920 bring it back to the facility. Well, that even hasn't happened. 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:24.439 So yeah, kudos to the NFL owners, but also kudos 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:27.360 to the NFL players. Did I see correctly that the 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:30.440 Chiefs are your Super Bowl pick? They are, indeed, And 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:32.280 you know, when you get all those starters back and 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:33.640 you have the best player in the league and you 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:36.880 have Patrick Mahomes throwing that football around, it's hard for 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:39.400 me to pick against it. It's it's kind of been 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:41.040 one of those things where I've you know, I used 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:43.160 to pick the Patriots all the time. I picked the Taggers. 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:45.360 I picked them again. I'm a big Rogers guy. I 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:47.600 don't think there's any you know, regress in his game, 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:49.439 and so yeah, I'm picking the Chiefs again to win 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:51.880 it all. But I also saw you say that if 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:54.360 you are just doing a hey the odds are too 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:57.040 good to pass up, bet you'd throw one down on 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:02.040 the Bengals at the ridiculous odds. It's crazy twenty thousand 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:06.040 and one, correct, Yeah, I mean if quarterback is as 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:08.400 good as I think he's going to be in that 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:10.960 front place like I think it can play, then you know, 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:14.000 twenty thousand and one isn't crazy to take a shot. Absolutely, 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:17.679 I would take that. You can read Pete Prisco's articles 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:22.080 and find his video content at CBS sports dot com. 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:26.920 The Bengals have basically concluded training camp on Saturday. They 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.079 have to cut the roster down to fifty three players 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:32.080 and then next week it's all about getting ready for 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:37.120 the season opener against the Chargers on the thirteenth. On Thursday, 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:40.000 I got together with my broadcast partner Dave Lapham to 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:44.000 take a comprehensive look back at training camp. Lap Training 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:46.640 camp basically ends tonight with a mock game. They will 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:49.320 be in game preparation mode next week to get ready 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:51.679 for the Chargers. So this is the wrap up training 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:54.960 Camp edition of the podcast. So we're going to go 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:57.520 through a wide variety of categories. We will each give 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:00.640 our picks in these categories, and we're to start with 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:04.560 the offensive star of training camp. Who's your pick, Joe Burrow? 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.480 I'm going to finally pick him for something because and 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.760 it's I mean, his performance, his physical performance has been 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:15.880 extraordinary at times, really really top shelf, and then he's 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:17.800 had moments that aren't. And he'll be the first to 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:19.920 tell you that it's you know, he's got to do better, 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.800 it's got to be better than that. But it's it's 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.400 never just him. It never is just one guy. You know, 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:28.000 they've been drop some of things, but he's had some 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:30.040 things that he needs to clean up and he knows that. 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:34.440 But the thing that he has been consistent about every 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:39.400 single minute of every single day is dedication, preparation, working 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:42.120 to get better. Don't waste a moment, don't waste a second, 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:45.760 don't waste a practice. And I asked him at one 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:48.680 of the you know zoom conference calls about that, you 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.200 know where does that? And he said hey. His answer 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.640 was the best thing a training camp. In my mind, 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.120 there are offensive and defense or the defensive coordinates out 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:59.320 there every day trying to get better. There are defensive 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:01.440 players out there every day trying to get better. I 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:03.040 don't want to waste any time. I don't want to 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:05.400 waste a day. I always have to try to get better. 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:08.480 I'm thinking this guy gets it in such a high level. 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:12.680 I mean, he really is a He reminds me I 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:15.120 have the opportunity and the good fortune to meet Peyton 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:17.240 Manning when he is an eighteen year old freshman at 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:22.480 Tennessee and this eighteen year old kid had twenty two 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:25.400 and twenty three year old red shirt seniors falling him 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:29.520 around like puppy dogs. He was the king and they 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:31.920 were the court. And that's what Joe Burrow is doing. 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:34.760 Every single guy that you asked dan on the team, 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:37.320 you know what about oh Man, he took over the handle. 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.720 He's leaders. This is that every single player. So the 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:43.880 tangibles you know, have been there, but the intangibles are 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:48.920 ridiculously off the charts, ridiculously all right, since he's your 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:55.000 offensive star of camp, I'll save him from a different category. 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:58.840 It is thank Havans. I'm gonna choose Audent Tate in 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:02.400 this category. I think Tyler Boyd probably caught the most 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:05.200 passes from Joe Burrow during training camp, and I think 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:08.840 Tate caught the biggest ones touchdown passes in the red zone. 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:13.320 That fourth down play to end one scrimmage period one day, 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:17.120 third down catches to extend drives. He's had a great 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:21.360 camp and I think it underscores for me. Also the 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:24.000 strides that he's taken since he got here. Four catches 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:27.600 his rookie year, forty catches last year and he only 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:31.240 started ten games. He averaged more than fourteen yards a 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:34.600 catch last year. So he's not this yeah, he'll get 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:38.160 you seven yards kind of guy that people think that 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:42.040 he is. He is a legitimate weapon, and I honestly 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:43.960 think that by the end of this year he will 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:47.160 be third on the team and catches. I tend to 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:50.160 agree with you, Dan, And the thing that summation from 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:54.560 me about Auden Tate last year scrimmage, he was in 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:57.800 every snap and they were load managing other people. This 0:16:57.920 --> 0:16:59.360 year scrimmage, he was one of the ones that was 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:02.680 load manage. That's how far he's come. You know. His 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.480 his placed on the totem pole. He's climbing it. Man, 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:09.119 There's there's no doubt about it. And I give him 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:12.000 a lot of credit because, um, last year. I'm not 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:13.879 saying he was one trick pony, you know, but the 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:17.360 contested catch thing is obviously off the charts. I mean, 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:21.040 his his ability to catch the ball over his head 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:25.199 to time it, the body control all that, all the 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:29.119 you know, the vice hands, the long arms, everything. I mean, 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:32.000 he's a he's a you know, huge catching radius guy. 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:35.879 But in the offseason, in my mind, looks like you 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:38.520 get a little faster, a little quicker. His body lean 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:40.720 is better. He's getting in and out of cuts better. 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:44.880 He's not telegraphing routes. You know, the big body guy 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:47.920 tends to telegraph. I mean, tate age. These guys don't 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:49.879 telegraph routes. They get up on the toes of the 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:52.560 defensive back. And the dB has no audum taste. Sometimes 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:54.920 you could you know, this is what his body's telling me. 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:57.280 He's going to do this, And he was kind of upright, 0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:59.000 you know. Now he's running with a better lean and 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:03.280 he's quickly. Definitely respect your choice. Audent Tatis had a 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:05.680 hell of a camp. I should clarify when I said 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.440 third in receptions. Joe Mixon might be ahead of him 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:10.000 if they use him in the passing game the way 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:13.040 I think they will, but third among the receivers and 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:16.720 receptions after a healthy AJ Green, I'm knocking on something. 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:20.600 And Tyler Boyd, all right, your defensive star of training camp, 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:26.200 you know, I'm gonna go with Sam Hubbard because when 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:29.119 I watch Sam Hubbard, you know, you watch him in 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:33.119 every every drill, one hundred thousand percent every time they 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:36.520 run team. You know, he's hustling. And then in the scrimmage, 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:39.040 who got the sacks? The critical play sacks? You know, 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:43.800 Sam Hubbard always gives you a consistent performance at a 0:18:43.920 --> 0:18:46.439 very very high level. His bar is high, and he 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:49.480 always tries to, you know, at least reach that bar, 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:52.359 if not go over it. And I do think that 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:55.919 that his play does get contagious, not just amongst the 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:59.000 defensive linement. I think it gets contagious, you know, up 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:02.320 and down, you know, the line of scrimmage at all levels. 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:05.639 So I just, you know, I guess I liked the 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:08.360 guy so much, you know, and I like the way 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:12.600 he plays. I really think that from a consistency performance, 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:15.600 you know, he's just he's a grinder man, and he 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:18.840 grinds at such a high level of energy. I really 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:23.200 respect the guy. He would he reminds me of Edge 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:25.720 Tim crum Right. Crum Rye was a pain in the 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:29.040 butt to work against in training camp because he only 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:32.240 had one speed. You know, coaches say this Drill's half speed. 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:36.479 No such animal. Tim can be like that, you know, 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:39.040 and he's he's got a lot of the Tim crumb 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:41.760 right attributes. All positive. I'm not saying anything negative about it. 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:44.320 It's all positive, for sure. On the edge a little bit. 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:47.920 I could go with Geno Atkins in this category. He's 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:50.120 had a very good camp. But I'll go with Will 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:53.320 Jackson as my defensive star of training camp. Two reasons. 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:55.879 He's healthy. You know, he had torn laborham and his 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.359 shoulder last year, so he got that fixed. He's healthy. 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:02.520 And secondly, my man wants to get paid. He's going 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:04.120 to be a free agent at the end of the year. 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:08.560 He sees his new teammate Trey Wayne's making fourteen million 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:10.399 dollars a year. He knows that that's the kind of 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:12.640