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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth Podcast. The I'm getting closer to my

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Speaker 1: home addition, as we take a final look at training

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Speaker 1: camp before turning our attention next week to the home

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Speaker 1: opener against the LA Chargers. Coming up, I'll talk to

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Speaker 1: CBS Sports senior NFL writer Pete Prisco, who says the

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Speaker 1: Bengals will win one or two Super Bowls in the

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Speaker 1: next decade with Joe Burrow at quarterback. If you didn't

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Speaker 1: already like Pete Prisco, you will after our conversation. Then

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Speaker 1: Dave Lapham joins me for nearly forty minutes to wrap

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Speaker 1: up training camp as we'll answer questions like who were

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Speaker 1: the biggest stars, the biggest surprises, the biggest disappointment, and

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Speaker 1: Now let's get to football. One of My favorite NFL

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Speaker 1: writers in broadcasters is Pete Prisco from CBS Sports, mostly

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Speaker 1: because he offers smart opinions, but also because he doesn't

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Speaker 1: fall for the usual lazy national narratives that are used

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Speaker 1: to take shots at the Bengals. He's critic call of

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Speaker 1: the team when warranted, but he'll also give the Bengals

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Speaker 1: credit when credit is due, and he certainly did that

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Speaker 1: when we spoke this week. Pete. Back at April, you

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Speaker 1: tweeted the following, I love Joe Burrow's game. He will

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Speaker 1: be a star. What do you love? Well, it starts

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Speaker 1: with the attitude. And I'm a big believer and a

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Speaker 1: guy having a swagger and he has it. And you know,

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Speaker 1: just spending the previous amount of time I've been with him,

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Speaker 1: a chip on his shoulder. I mean, he's the first

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Speaker 1: And I think that's the most important things. And having

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Speaker 1: When other national reporters pushed the narrative that Joe Burrow

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Speaker 1: Bengals off season in general? I don't get a good offseason.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it hurts that Trey Waynes isn't there. You

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Speaker 1: analytics say you don't pay running backs the Bengals gave

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Speaker 1: bad move. I normally would say bad move, but he's

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Speaker 1: and let's face that their offense is loaded with playmakers,

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Speaker 1: hurt last year. A few more questions for Pete Prisco

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Speaker 1: that Scott part probably way too underrated for what he's done.

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Speaker 1: culture will continue to change. Pete assessed the AFC North

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Speaker 1: the overall intelligence and a good brain for the game

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Speaker 1: of football. I mean, I hope he develops quickly because

427
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 1: I think he can help the football team he'd be

428
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,359
Speaker 1: my biggest surprise in watching him on a day to

429
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 1: day basis. My biggest offensive surprise is Mike Thomas, partly

430
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 1: because I had no expectations for him whatsoever. Ten catches

431
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,679
Speaker 1: and four seasons with the Rams. He did miss one

432
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 1: of those years with an injury. But he's a good receiver. Now,

433
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,360
Speaker 1: if everybody's healthy, he's not going to get a lot

434
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 1: of reps at receiver, but I do think he'll make

435
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,439
Speaker 1: the team. He's a proven special teams guy. And if

436
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,800
Speaker 1: you go back to his final year at Southern Miss,

437
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,879
Speaker 1: seventy one catches for thirteen hunt one yards in fourteen touchdowns.

438
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:09,360
Speaker 1: He just didn't get that many opportunities with the Rams.

439
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,199
Speaker 1: Mike Thomas, it's here, he's right there. He's right there.

440
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 1: We're all to say, on the same wavelength, on the

441
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:19,640
Speaker 1: same brains wavelength. There. Yeah, I mean the kid has

442
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,120
Speaker 1: jackhammer feed Dan Man. I'm telling you he has got

443
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:26,880
Speaker 1: the quicks and he's he's gonna defensive tackle out of Oklahoma.

444
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna make the football team defensive tackle.

445
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 1: They got thin quickly tupa opted out glasgall failed as physical.

446
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 1: Wren had the quad surgery, so you know they're looking

447
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 1: for another guy. You know you have you have three

448
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 1: and let's knock on wood, hopefully everybody comes out of

449
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 1: training camp healthy. They can't afford to lose another defensive tackle.

450
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 1: If they lose a defensive tackle, I mean the trio

451
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 1: they have, you know, Geno Atkins, h Daniels and Reader.

452
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's high cotton right there. But you

453
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 1: need a fourth guy, and hopefully all those guys stay healthy.

454
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 1: And I think Bledsoe he competes in there, he stays

455
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: after it. You know, he's so steady, so consistent. That's

456
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: what you know, all coaches want consistency. I'm not saying

457
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,880
Speaker 1: that he has, you know, a big upside, a huge

458
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 1: ladder that he can climb, but he gets to where

459
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 1: he you know, he gets the most out of his ability.

460
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 1: I think on an every practice basis, and I like that.

461
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if he makes the team a

462
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Speaker 1: defensive tackle. I may be showing some recency bias on

463
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 1: my pick for the biggest defensive surprise of camp, but

464
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with cornerback Tony Brown, who had the

465
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: great scrimmage that we broadcast on the radio. At Paul

466
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,919
Speaker 1: Brown Stadium, nearly had two interceptions in a span of

467
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 1: about three or four plays. But I think he's been

468
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 1: pretty solid during camp. We'll see if he makes it.

469
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Speaker 1: But he's a guy that started in the past for

470
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Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers. He was a part of two

471
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Speaker 1: national championship teams at Alabama ran track was a track

472
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Speaker 1: All Americans. So he's got some speed again. A guy

473
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: that I didn't really know much when the Bengals picked

474
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: him up, and now I'm thinking that maybe Tony Brown

475
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: has an opportunity to contribute. All Right, your biggest disappointment

476
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: of training camp, boy, defensively, it would be Trey Wayne's,

477
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 1: you know, not being able to participate. I mean, you know,

478
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: you've got a guy that you've given fourteen million bucks

479
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: a year, two forty two mills for three years and

480
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: for him to not even be able to have any

481
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: participation whatsoever, and you might be out for the year.

482
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: If he comes back, it's going to be maybe for

483
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: the very end of the season, and depending on where

484
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 1: the team is. I mean, if they're making a playoff

485
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: push and he can come back, fine, if they're not,

486
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: and I don't think that that's that he's going to

487
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: come back. I mean I think, I think defensively that

488
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,719
Speaker 1: would be my biggest disappointment, and offensively it would be

489
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 1: a J. T. Higgins, John Ross not being able to

490
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: take enough nastal with Joe Barrow, that's a big disappointment

491
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 1: to me. You know, it's like you have a rookie

492
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: quarterback that had no pre season games, no OTAs, you know,

493
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: zoom conference meetings. That's been the biggest thing up until

494
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 1: training camp starts, and then it's been sporadic at best,

495
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: I mean limited if any reps. At no time have

496
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: all three of them been in the huddle at the

497
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: same time with Joe Burrow. To me, that's a big disappointment.

498
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 1: And you know, injuries and other things have contributed mightily obviously,

499
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: but it's still disappointing. Yeah, I'm there with you. Mine

500
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: is aj. It's not his faults. Injuries happened, but I've

501
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 1: reached the point now where I'm seriously wondering how much

502
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 1: he's going to be able to play this year. And

503
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: I didn't really feel that way in the off season.

504
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 1: Maybe I should have. I mean, he missed six games

505
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,360
Speaker 1: with a hamstring tear from twenty sixteen seven games, big

506
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: toe injury twenty eighteen. Every game last year torn tendons

507
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: in his ankle, kind of like before Tyler Eifert was

508
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 1: able to play all sixteen games last year. Where you're like,

509
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: is it ever going to happen again in his early thirties. Yeah,

510
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: I mean the foot all gods have decided to make

511
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: Aj pay And like we know and three and twenty

512
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: one in those twenty four games that he hasn't you know,

513
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: hasn't been able to participate. He is such a big factor,

514
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: such a big factor in the offense's success, and particularly

515
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: the offense is success of a rookie quarterback. I mean

516
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: if if if AJ Green is out there, you know,

517
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: you know, the defense is going to tilt to him.

518
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 1: So you have other things that you know you can

519
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: do if Aj is not now they can get real creative,

520
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: you know. And it's just the ripple effect is enormous

521
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: on the other receivers, on the quarterback, on the running game,

522
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,959
Speaker 1: because they can't load the pot the box as readily.

523
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's massive. So you know, AJ Green

524
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: obviously is the kingpin. But love to see T Higgins

525
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 1: and John I love to see all those guys out there,

526
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: all hands on deck and totally healthy, with no fear

527
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 1: of I'm going to tweak something, pull something, Should I should?

528
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 1: I not go one hundred percent, just out there, just

529
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: laying it all out there, laying it all on the line.

530
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: I'd love to see that for you know, twelve fourteen,

531
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: sixteen games. All right. The coach that caught your eye

532
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: during training camp, Al Golden, because I think he's a

533
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: hell of a coach. Al Golden turned Temple around. Al Golden,

534
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: turned Miami around. Al Golden. This is a head coach.

535
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 1: The guy knows how to coach football. He knows how

536
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: to deal with people. Obviously, that would be you know,

537
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: at the head coaching level and the college in college football, alumni, coaches, players, fans.

538
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: I mean, that's ridiculous. So he's a people person obviously,

539
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: you know, and watching him work with these young linebackers,

540
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 1: it's critical critical. I mean that position got abused. I

541
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: don't even know if that's a strong enough word, but

542
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: it was decimated, demolished, whatever it was. It was ridiculous

543
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: to watch. Now. It reminds me like we talked about before,

544
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 1: Mark Dufter, when they drafted Kio Spikes and Brian Simmons,

545
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: Steve Foley, and they got Adrian Ross as a free agent.

546
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 1: You know, same thing this year, you know with with

547
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: with the draft picks. Uh, they have Logan Wilson, Uh,

548
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: Davis Gaither in the in the fourth round, Bailey and

549
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: then Spears as a free age. I think Spears is

550
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: probably destined for the practice squad, but I think the

551
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: other three make it so. Mark Duffner he was like

552
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: he had these you know, these young linebackers that he

553
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: was in total control of, and he knew that they

554
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: were going to have a big impact on increasing the

555
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: betterment of the football team. Al Golden is I'm looking

556
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: at Al Golden. I'm thinking back to Mark Dufton with

557
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: that linebacker group. Al Golden with this linebacker group. I

558
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: think this group eventually is going to there's so much

559
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: upside there. I think eventually it's going to be like, Wow,

560
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: look at this linebacker group. You know, they're they're kind

561
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: of uh, they kind of got some swag on this

562
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: football team. I mean they're they're they're definitely they're a

563
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,479
Speaker 1: voice to be reckoned with, you know, and not just

564
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: a voice there, there is something to be reckoned with

565
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: on the football field. So I really like what I

566
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: see what Al Golden's doing with these young guys. How

567
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: he's molding him. And you know, I'm not saying that

568
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: it was you know, it was Al Golden's necessarily his idea.

569
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: But to bring in a veteran like Josh Bines, you know,

570
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: the mix in the room. I'm sure he contributed to it.

571
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: Obviously a lot of people were involved in that process.

572
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: But bottom line, as they bring Josh Bines in, who's

573
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: basically his assistant linebacker coach as well as football player,

574
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: they all all the young guys are talking about the

575
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: football mind to Josh Bines and they're all in May.

576
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: So I think Al Golden gets a big tip of

577
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: the cap. You had me a turn Temple around. I

578
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: mean that was a minor miracle when he did it,

579
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: because they've been pretty good ever since and he got

580
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: it all turned around. I was tempted to go with

581
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: tight ends coach James Casey in this category. I think

582
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: he's a rising star and the coaching profession fascinating guy

583
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: pitched minor league baseball then went to Rice triple major

584
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: three point a GPA seven years in the NFL. I mean,

585
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: anything he does, he succeeds at. But the coach that

586
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: caught my eye, and I probably could say this every year,

587
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: Darren Simmons. He reminds me of the best teachers I

588
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: ever had in life. At Syracuse University are alma mater,

589
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: I had a policy professor Robert McClure, best teacher I

590
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: ever had. And what was it about him, more than

591
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: anything else, demanded excellence. You just you felt like you

592
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: were letting him down if you did not go in

593
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: there ready to go, ready to study, ready to do

594
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: your absolute best, attention to detail demands excellence. That's Darren Simmons.

595
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: You're right, And I guess I probably took Darren for

596
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: granted as an assistant head coach. The organization knows the

597
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: value he brings to the table. And Darren Simmons is

598
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: I mean, year and in year out, Let's face it.

599
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: I was worried that he was going to be in

600
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: New England Belichick, Let's face it. And there there were

601
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: other teams that there are a few teams and uh,

602
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: when they threw that assistant head coaching tag at Darren

603
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: Simmons and financially rewarded him like I hope he was

604
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: rewarded because yeah, he has been solid as a rock.

605
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: And you know the thing, the thing that all great

606
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: coaches have with players. You can respect a coach and

607
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: then other coaches you can like. But when you have

608
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: guys that get their respect to players and players like

609
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: them like a dick lebou And there's there's a few

610
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: of them down through the years that I've come acrost

611
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: and Darren Simmons falls into that category, man, And and

612
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: I think it's because, like you said, Dan, infants and

613
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: young children craved discipline. They don't know it, but they

614
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: craved discipline. They crave the organizational aspect of your life,

615
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: of their lives that you give them as a parent

616
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: or whatever. And Darren Simmons treat that's the same thing

617
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: with a players. I think the players look at Darren

618
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: Simmons like, where would I be without this guy? Honestly?

619
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: All right, A couple more category to go, then some

620
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: ask lap questions after that next category the question you

621
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: had going into camp that has been answered to your satisfaction.

622
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: My two question marks were left tackle and linebacker. And

623
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: left tackle, I mean it was a five man you know,

624
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: Merry go round at left tackle. Last year, and multiple

625
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: contributors aren't even in the league this year, so that

626
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: tells you where they were. And Jonah Williams, I think,

627
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: is gonna up the level of play at that left

628
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: tackle position significantly. And Jonah is not necessarily a guy

629
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: that is beastly and will pick the stadium up and

630
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: move it a block, but he is good a technician

631
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: and a young player as I've seen in a long time.

632
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: His footwork is extraordinary, His hands are Extraordinary's hand placement

633
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: is lineman need to when they're in pass protection, need

634
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: to keep their chest and shoulders back and out of

635
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: the fray. He does a great job of that. So

636
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: you know, I feel good about the left tackle position,

637
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: but I haven't played a game yet, and you know,

638
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: so in his first two games, as we said many times,

639
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: you know, it's only Joey Boston, Miles Garrett, so we'll

640
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,959
Speaker 1: find out pretty quickly. And then the other was the

641
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: linebacker position, and I've I like what I see. It's athletic,

642
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: can run, they seem to be intelligent, they're not busting assignments.

643
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: But again, I want to see him playing a game.

644
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: They haven't tackled anybody yet, you know, I got to

645
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: see him against other NFL teams, because you can get

646
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: intoxicated watching the Bengals. The Bengals have NFL caliber football players.

647
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: You watch him every day, it's like, these guys are

648
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: pretty good. Well a bunch of other thirty one other

649
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: teams around the league or having camp, and they're all

650
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: at least as good or better. So, man, until you

651
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: start playing somebody else and they start doing things against

652
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: you we haven't seen yet, because you do fall into

653
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: a little bit of a comfort level, Jonahs, going against

654
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: the same guys. Although it's good guys, Dan, I mean,

655
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: you know you're talking about Carlos dunlaugh and carl Lawson

656
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: giving you edge rush. Look at practice every day. I

657
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: mean that's that's a that's a good caliber. You're gonna

658
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: get better going against people like that. So and uh

659
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: and you look at the young linebackers having to cover

660
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon, Giovanni Bernard in space, Drew Sample, cj Isama Tighten.

661
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: I mean, those guys are good NFL caliber players where

662
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna get better going against him in practice. But

663
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 1: as Alan Ivans said, practice, I'm talking not the game.

664
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: Let's see him in a game, all right, the question

665
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: that I had that's been answered to my satisfaction. This

666
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: is where I will use Joe Burrow. My question was

667
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: will he be ready? And that's still to be determined.

668
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: Like you're saying, I mean in practice is one thing.

669
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: Games are very different, but it's it's not that he's

670
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 1: been perfect, but he's never been overwhelmed. Maybe whelmed at times,

671
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: but never overwhelmed. He exudes confidence, his teammates are feeding

672
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: off it. He just sensed that he's going to be fine.

673
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: There will be growing pains, there are gonna be moments

674
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: he'll throw interceptions. Again, I'm not saying that he's ready

675
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 1: for the Pro Bowl, but he's gonna be fine, and

676
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 1: in the years to come, he's gonna be really, really good.

677
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: I agree Dan, I think he's going to weather every storm.

678
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,439
Speaker 1: And Paul Brown had a tremendous sing and I think

679
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,720
Speaker 1: it applies to Joe Burrow. The game's not too big

680
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: for you, and the game is not too big for

681
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. There is no question about it. And you

682
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: know we talked earlier bringing up Peyton Manning again, I

683
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 1: remember talking to Tom Moore, who was with Peyton in Indianapolis,

684
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 1: and Tom Moore said, very early in Peyton Manning's career,

685
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 1: it was obvious that this guy was Menza football genius

686
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: and he elevated every because he elevated me. You know,

687
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: he did a coach and I think, I think it

688
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: should be like this, Oh you're right, Peyton, you know,

689
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: smartest kid in the room type thing. And he said

690
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: that I had to try to figure out ways to

691
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: keep him interested and motivated. And he said, it made

692
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: me a hell of a lot better coach, and it

693
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: made all the assistant coaches better coaches, made his teammates better.

694
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: And I think Joe Burrows that has that in him.

695
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: I really do, all right, Final category, your biggest remaining

696
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: concern as camp winds down, My biggest remaining concern is,

697
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: don't lose any veteran football player that you you know,

698
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: project to make a significant contribution to injury or anything else.

699
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: All hands on deck. And I've seen I've seen weird

700
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: things happen, you know, And I think Zach has done

701
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: a heck of a job and almost almost bending over backwards, um,

702
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: you know, with load management stuff. I mean, he his

703
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: veteran players. If you're you know, seven years and more

704
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: in the league, when they have a day off, he

705
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: gives them a veteran day to boot, so you know,

706
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: scrimmage day off done another day. So the load management

707
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: part of it, he is I think obviously AJ Green

708
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: going down in the first forty five minutes of training

709
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: camp last year has stayed with him and you can

710
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: only control which you can control. But he is absolutely

711
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: doing everything he possibly can to make sure that when

712
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 1: the thirteenth comes, the guys are going to be there

713
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: ready to play. But look what happened last year with

714
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: Alex Redmon pregame warmups blows his elbow, oued, I mean,

715
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? So you know you think about

716
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: Aj the first forty five minutes of training camp, Alex

717
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: Redmond making contributions to the offense line, blows his elbowed

718
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: in pre game warmups with teammates in their own end

719
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: zone here at Paul Brown Stadium. Come on, So all

720
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: I know is in this game, you never know. So

721
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: football gods, be kind. Don't take anybody away before this

722
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: LA Chargers game, because I've seen it happen. And if

723
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: you do take somebody away, please don't make it a

724
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: significant player. All right, My biggest remaining concern is the

725
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: right side of the offensive line. I think center to

726
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: left tackle, they've got a chance to be good. I

727
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: think Trey Hopkins is certainly above average, maybe much better

728
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: than that. I think Michael Jordan's going to be a

729
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: very good NFL player, hopefully this year. I think Jonah

730
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: is going to be fine and hopefully really good in

731
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: the years to come. He's still not so sure about

732
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,959
Speaker 1: right tackle right guard. I really thought going into camp

733
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: that Fred Johnson would beat Bobby Hart out for that position.

734
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: It was never a contest. Hopefully that says good things

735
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: about Bobby Hart going into this season. And I thought

736
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: Xaviers to a Philo would be a significant upgrade over

737
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,240
Speaker 1: John Miller. Having watched him in camp, I think maybe

738
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: they're about the same. Hopefully I'm wrong. I mean, campus

739
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: camp games are different, but he has not dazzled in

740
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 1: my opinion. Agree with you, I will. I will say

741
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: that watching him in the scrimmage, that was his best effort,

742
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: and and I'm I'm optimistic that his best st effort

743
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: took place in the scrimmage. Maybe he's a gamer, you know,

744
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: maybe he's one of those guys that you know, just

745
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: a veteran guy, you know, I mean, just whatever, and

746
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: and he ends up being a gamer because yeah, I've

747
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: not been like whoa xaviers to a filo now oo man.

748
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: And with Bobby looking at Bobby, a lot of people

749
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: we've talked about have changed their body. Bobby did too.

750
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: Bobby has uh less than the caboose, lessen the trunk,

751
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 1: and he's quicker. And when I see him jumping people,

752
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 1: I think that's when he's at his best. He again,

753
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: neither offensive tackle are overpowering physical guys. They both have

754
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: great feet, though Bobby has good feet, So in my mind,

755
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: they have to go jump people and not let them

756
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: get started because you know, at the end of past

757
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: his past sets and plays is when Bobby gets like

758
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: bold and overpowered. So if you can bring the defense

759
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: a pass rusher to a complete stop and make him restart,

760
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: and I think Bobby's capable of that. Now, you gotta

761
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: mix it up. You can't do a steady diet anything,

762
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: but you gotta you know, you gotta change the you know,

763
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 1: you can't throw fastballs down the middle of the plate

764
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: every single snap. So but yeah, I think Fred Fred

765
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: just has to mature more. You know, I think the

766
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: one thing about Bobby. Bobby loves football and football is

767
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: important to him, and hopefully fred gets maybe a little

768
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: more or that the importance of football. Football has to be,

769
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: you know, really really a big, big deal, and I'm

770
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: not saying that it's not, but I think there's room

771
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: to grow there for him a little bit more. See,

772
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: I'm not giving up on him because I think eventually,

773
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: and maybe this year, who knows if he If he

774
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: does play tackle or even guard, I think he could be.

775
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: He and Michael Jordan could end up being the best

776
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: run blockers in the team because they're so long, they're

777
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: so I mean, they're leverage. Their length and strength is

778
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: so big and that helps you in protection as well.

779
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: So I'm certainly not giving up on fred Um. I

780
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: think he could at some point. We have pretty damn

781
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: good tackle. I think he just needs more seasoning. Glad

782
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: to hear what you had to say about Xavier Suphilo

783
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: as well, because he is a sheer delight. I love

784
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: that guy. I want him to be a big success.

785
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: I just don't think he's had a great camp, But

786
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: then again, he's a guy. He had a broken leg

787
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: at the end of last year. Maybe he's just you know,

788
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: getting back to yeah, and when you watch him run,

789
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: it's it's not a you know, it's not a free

790
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: and easy, um physical flow there, you know. I mean

791
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: he's he's got some a little bit of wear and

792
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: tear on him. But I do know, um that his

793
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: teammates love him because he's almost like an assistant coach.

794
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: And coach Turner said that that he take you know,

795
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,479
Speaker 1: take the young guys and hey, look this is what's

796
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: worked for me. Try this. Think about this. Your body

797
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: type is similar to this guy that I know he

798
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,800
Speaker 1: did this. Try this. He said that he's been a big,

799
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 1: big addition you know, his teammates and offensive line coach

800
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: Turner said that he has been a big addition to

801
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: that offensive line room for sure. Eagle scout served others

802
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: in a two year Mormon mission. I think he's a

803
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: good man, So hopefully he will line up having a

804
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 1: great season all right. Time for some ask lap questions

805
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: that were submitted on Twitter. First one comes from breaking

806
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: the curse? What do you think Marcus Bailey's role will

807
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:35,919
Speaker 1: be his rookie year? Probably heavy special teams. I think

808
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: that you know, I think they put their bat on

809
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: the ball in all three linebacker draft picks. He was

810
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: in the seventh round and the others were third and

811
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: fourth round and they were drafted there, you know, for

812
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: a reason. And now we got to remember he had

813
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: an ACL reconstruction. So like you were talking about Xavier,

814
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: I think Bailey's just starting to get his land legs

815
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 1: under room instead of his sea legs, you know. So

816
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: I think I think that, um, there's room to grow there.

817
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: I think there's some upside. And it's not like he

818
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: hasn't done well. I think he's done well. I think

819
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: he's played well at linebacker, and they've had him in

820
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: a full rotation, you know, in a lot of the

821
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: sub packages. It's not like there's a there's you know,

822
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 1: third fourth round picks and then gaping hole to seventh

823
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: round contribution to camp. It's right there, it's right there.

824
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: I like him. I think he's got some some explosiveness

825
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: to him and I think it's coming back. And I

826
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: think I think Darren Simmons, he's got some linebackers that

827
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: can help him on special teams and barely being one

828
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: of them from Brian. If a preseason trade were to

829
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: take place, which position group would they be comfortable moving

830
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: and which would they look to get back. Well, you

831
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: got to think, all right, here's here's my assessment of defense.

832
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: Defensive line above average. You know, if everybody stays healthy, everybody,

833
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: everybody please stay healthy. Linebacker big upside, big upside below

834
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: average last year, getting closer to average, and upside to

835
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: be even better than that. Secondary average, offensive line getting better,

836
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: closer to average, but maybe a little bit below. Wide

837
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: receiver above average. So the two positions of strength wide receiver,

838
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: defensive line. If you were trade you would want to

839
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: improve your offensive line or in my mind right now,

840
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: the secondary. I think they've done a ton with the

841
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: linebacker position. So those would be the positions I'd shift around,

842
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,720
Speaker 1: I guess a little bit, and then it would be okay,

843
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: would you trade your fifth receiver for your fifth for

844
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: possibly a fifth best lineman? Hell yeah, your fifth receivers

845
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 1: are not gonna be fifth lineman? Is would you trade

846
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: your fifth receiver for a seventh best lineman? Now you're

847
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: thinking more, it's more, you know, even Stephen, so you know,

848
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 1: and then you're throwing a draft pick to sweeten the pod.

849
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: But they those positions would be the ones that I

850
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: position or strength maybe down the line move one of

851
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: those guys to try to beef up my position of weakness.

852
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 1: But I will say Dan that they have the first

853
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: crack at everybody that's waived and the final cutdown. Now

854
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: that's less than four years, four years or more, they're terminated,

855
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: they go anywhere. But anybody less than four years, a

856
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 1: three year corner, that's that somebody, let's go, boy, maybe

857
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: they have first shot at him. So the Bengals don't

858
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: have to wait and say, oh, do we do we

859
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: get this guy? Because if you're the team that is uh,

860
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: it's just like the draft. If you're the sixteenth spot

861
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: in the draft and the twenty second claims them and

862
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: then the well man the nineteenth, you have to wait

863
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: till the next day. Well, the Bengals know they would

864
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: have claim and they know they have a shot at

865
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: that guy. So I hope and I know they are

866
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: the scouts in the first innel department. They're trying to

867
00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: anticipate who's going to be in that waived lest people

868
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: in the training camps. And is that when you're looking

869
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: at improving your your final five or six spots on

870
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,439
Speaker 1: your fifty three man roster, some of those guys may

871
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: be a little bit better. There may be some movement.

872
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: If I could trade my fifth or sixth wide receiver

873
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: for Quenton Nelson, I would do it, all right. Question

874
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: from Jacob does the offensive line look like they've improved

875
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 1: a lot, a little or not at all. Oh, they've improved.

876
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: They've improved. It's just a question of how much. And

877
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 1: again in the scrimmage, I was encouraged because they did

878
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: keep you know, pretty much two groups together, the first group,

879
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: which which was Jonah Williams, Michael Jordan, Trey Hopkins at center,

880
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: Xavier Suaphilo at right guard, and Bobby Williams at right tackle,

881
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: Bobby Hart. Excuse me, Bobby Hart. Bobby Williams big, I

882
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: like that. Bobby Williams back, big old Bobby, Bobby Bobby

883
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: Hart at right tackle. Those guys I thought they I

884
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: thought they ran well, ran the ball. Well, they've got

885
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: some creases. They did a decent job. So and they

886
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,879
Speaker 1: did it, you know, ones against ones. It was once

887
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: against ones, ones against twos and all that. But I

888
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: think they're improved now, you know how much? Again, I

889
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: don't know yet. You know, the proof is in the

890
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: pudding is still out there. It's out there. Against San Diego,

891
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: it's out there against Cleveland, it's out there against Philadelphia

892
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 1: and everybody else. I mean, I think Dan the first

893
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: month of the season, I don't think any team is

894
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: going to be anyone near as good in September as

895
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: they are on October. Spencer has the next question. I've

896
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: heard that Drew Sample looks good in camp. What kind

897
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: of role do you expect him to have this year?

898
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 1: I think a significant one. I think that that he's

899
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: um His first nap was against Jadevian Clowney up there

900
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 1: in Seattle, and that was that was an eye opener.

901
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: So he can identify with what Jonah Williams might see,

902
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: you know, work and work against Joey Boston, and that's

903
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: going to be it's going to be a challenge. But

904
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: I do think Sample worked with Sam Hubbard. Sample they

905
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: had the gym and Sam Sample's garage and spilled out

906
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 1: into the driveway and they both, you know, worked on

907
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: their bodies. Sample is not necessarily a ton difference in weight,

908
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: but the distribution the weight, it's a lot different. And

909
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: I think that he could be the true tight end,

910
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: you know, the tight ends in the league now, even

911
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: Kelsey as big and strong as he is, he's quite

912
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: He's known as the receiver. George Kittle is like a

913
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 1: third tackle, and he's like a receiver in the passing game.

914
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: That's what they hope Sample can be. Sample came out

915
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: of college as the best blocking tight end. So I

916
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: went in the second round out of Washington University of Washington,

917
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: and I thought, I think Dan that his confidence, his

918
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: route running, his ability to catch it. The tight ends

919
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 1: had a tough scrimmage. He dropped when c J dropped,

920
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: tusually had a tough day. They also had three catches

921
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: a piece, though they did and that tells you though

922
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: he was pumping them. Both quarterbacks were feeding those tight ends.

923
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: They're going to be important. They're gonna be very important

924
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: in the offense this year. And I think I think

925
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: Sample will be a you know, a t two phase player.

926
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: I think he'll he'll be a factor in the passing

927
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: attack and I think he's going to be he'll set

928
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: the edge in the running game. Matthew asks, were you

929
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: ever interested in becoming a coach, and if so, would

930
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: you have stuck to the offensive line or would you

931
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: ventured out to a different spot. Initially I would have

932
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: gone with the offensive line. But if you get into

933
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: coaching normally, you want to try to advance to as

934
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: high level as you can. So yeah, I mean if

935
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: I if I had decided to do it, I don't

936
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 1: think I would have been in Jim McNally and said

937
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: I want to just be an offensive line coach my

938
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: whole career. I think I would have tried to dabble

939
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: as an offensive corner to be a head coach before Greg,

940
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: you know some of the other offensive line coaches, Andy Reid, Um,

941
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: you know it became. I first met Andy Reid when

942
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: he was a grand assistant graduate from BYU, A University

943
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: of Missouri, and I was like, yeah, this guy, this

944
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: young guy's pretty impressive and obviously it worked for him.

945
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: I was right, But yeah, I mean I did have

946
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: an interest for us. Greg inquired about it. Um college

947
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: coaches like Mac Brown and uh less Miles inquired about it.

948
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: But as big an interest as I had, my wife

949
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: had even less. So as they say, happy wife, happy life,

950
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: unhappy wife, unhappy life. And I you know, I thought, uh,

951
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 1: you know that my kids really love Cincinnati. They really

952
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: you know, I thought I uproved my family. Maybe hop

953
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 1: Scotch a run and pogo stick around. Both my kids.

954
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: They're here in Cincinnati, They've got kids, they were raising

955
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 1: their families here. So from a family standpoint, I feel

956
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: good about the decision I made, But there's always that

957
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: what if I always think about it that man, I

958
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: think I would have liked it. I know I would

959
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: have enjoyed it and liked it, And how good would

960
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: I have been? Who knows? To be determined, I guess

961
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: so not to be determined, it won't happen now. But

962
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: here recently there was another thing thrown at me as

963
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: as as a very very early stages with the raid is,

964
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: but didn't pursue that. So at the age i'm matt

965
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to be a color analyst for

966
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: the Bengals radio network. Dan, at this point in time,

967
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: you would have been a great coach, tremendous head coach,

968
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: O line coach. Your guys would have loved playing for you.

969
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: You would have won big. But we're happy at Joe's broadcasting,

970
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: so I'm grateful that you elected to get into this

971
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: line of work. All right, final question comes from a

972
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: different Matthew. We always like to end with kind of

973
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: a wild card type question. What's the most cheese Coney's

974
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: You've ever had in one sitting? Oh, my goodness, the

975
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: most I've ever had? Oh gosh, I mean four went

976
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: down so fat. I think I think it may I

977
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: think it might have been a good half dozen. I

978
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: could have continued, you know, I think that was it.

979
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I can. I can get those things

980
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: done quickly. There's no doubt about that. I love them,

981
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: love him to death. Yeah I don't have I don't

982
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: think I could compete with you in that category. But

983
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: you know, I grew up in the Buffalo area. So

984
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: if you want to go chicken wings for a relatively

985
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: slender person, I can knock them down. Great. Great chicken

986
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: wing story training camp Pete Johnson. He would take a

987
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: chicken wing, put that thing in his mouth, pull it out,

988
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: the meat, the cartilage, everything was gone, shiny bone like

989
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: a piranha, just like in the mouth, pull it out,

990
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: bare bone, nothing left on that bad boy. Our Bengals

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