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Speaker 1: He is a Politzer Prize winning playwright, screenwriter, and director,

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Speaker 1: responsible for lines like always be closing, and he sends

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Speaker 1: his to the Morgue. That's the Chicago Way. Author of

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Speaker 1: The Untouchables, Glengarry Glen Ross, American Buffalo, and so many others.

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Speaker 1: David Mammont is here on the place of art in

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Speaker 1: the country today, the origins of that Mammot Speak and

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Speaker 1: his new film Henry Johnson. Come on, I am Raymond Arroyo.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to a Arroyo grande. Go subscribe to the show

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Speaker 1: now and turn those notifications on so you know what's

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Speaker 1: coming up. David Mammott is a Politzer Prize winning playwright,

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Speaker 1: one of the most influential writers in the last three decades.

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Speaker 1: American Buffalo, House of Games, High, The Verdict, Wagged the

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Speaker 1: Dog in his new film, Henry Johnson, All David Mammott.

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Speaker 1: But where did all of this come from? And how

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Speaker 1: does he see the country? Now? Here's David Mammott. I

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Speaker 1: want to go back to the beginning. Why did you,

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Speaker 1: of all people, kid growing up in Chicago, when and

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, they asked the Willie Sutton why you

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Speaker 2: became a why you robbed banks? And he said, as

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Speaker 2: you know, he said, that's where the money.

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Speaker 1: Is, that's where the money at all.

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Speaker 2: Even better, so that's why I got But I got

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Speaker 2: involved in the theater for two reasons, as I was

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Speaker 1: Another good motive money and girls. So there's always the

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Speaker 1: two good motivators. But look, you took this very seriously.

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Speaker 1: You go to the Hood Playhouse, you go to New York,

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Speaker 1: you study with Sandy Meisner. Sanford Meisner was, for those

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Speaker 2: Yes I did. I studied with Sandy Meisner at one

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Speaker 2: then I looked at the people doing the scenes. Some

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Speaker 2: of them were good actors, but they had no idea

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Speaker 2: And the reason that they were self conscious was that

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Speaker 2: they were all self conscious. So that's the second thing

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Speaker 2: I understood. The third thing I understood was that mister

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Speaker 2: Meisner had no idea what he was talking about, because

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Speaker 2: but he was trying to address the essential problem and

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Speaker 2: acting of people don't have any talent, which is, how

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Speaker 2: And what I realized was he's looking at the wrong thing.

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Speaker 2: He's looking at the lines. But you don't have to

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Speaker 1: Just say the line.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to simply say the line. The problem is.

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Speaker 1: The relaxation stuff, you don't think had any merit. That

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Speaker 2: Exercise, That was what was called the repeating game, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there isn't. The other thing is that there isn't

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Speaker 1: But they say you have to build all that biography.

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Speaker 1: As you prepare, you reject that that's nonsense.

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Speaker 2: What do you care deeply about it?

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Speaker 1: Tell me my family?

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Speaker 2: Okay? So you carry about deeply about your family, deeply

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Speaker 2: That's all you need to get a malefactor to stop.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, get the hell out of my house right now.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what do you have to what do you have

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Speaker 1: Well, you do need the background of the family. Yes, No,

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Speaker 1: you don't have to be alive to those imaginative circumstances

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Speaker 2: No, no, of course not. What does it mean to

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Speaker 1: I'm not. The fact is that maybe I don't live

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Speaker 1: we're going to discuss, I'm not in prison. I've never

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Speaker 1: been in prison. So how do you put yourself as

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Speaker 2: I say to you, Okay, here's the situation. You're in prison, right,

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Speaker 2: And I say that to you, what's your first reaction.

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Speaker 1: My first reaction is I'm helpless, I'm trapped. I need help.

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Speaker 2: Your difference. What you just did was great acting. There's

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Speaker 2: no difference between the character who is helpless and trapped

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Speaker 2: the actor, are helpless and trapped and don't know how

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Speaker 2: to plays. It's the same thing. I say. So, this

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Speaker 1: And did you pick anything up from that experience that

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Speaker 1: you poured into your own work? And by that I

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Speaker 1: mean there is a mamm at universe. I think we

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Speaker 1: can admit to. I think you'd admit to there is

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Speaker 1: a There is a world that you've created theatrically and

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but you know John Singer Sargent was living

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Speaker 2: things a little bit differently. You must allow, Yes, I do.

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Speaker 1: But there's also a musicality to your work, David, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there is a musicality to it. Do you beat it out?

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Speaker 1: Do you say it aloud as you're writing it? Do

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Speaker 1: you how do you work through that?

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Speaker 2: Sure, I say it aloud, and sometimes I would actually

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Speaker 2: something wasn't right. I'd count the beasts. Because most American speech,

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Speaker 2: and most good theatrical speech is written in iambic pentameter,

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Speaker 2: because that's how we speak. That's why Shakespeare is so easy.

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Speaker 1: And you write in the same meter largely.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but also the meter just like a line in Shakespeare,

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Speaker 2: the meter need not be in the mouth of the protagonist.

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Speaker 2: The line can be broken between.

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Speaker 1: Me and you right right, and maintain the meter, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Because it has to make sense. And most people who

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Speaker 2: write they write about they have the They try to

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Speaker 2: write drama by having the protagonists say what either the

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Speaker 1: The other things I had not. I was totally unaware

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Speaker 1: of Catastrophe, which was a project you filmed. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: me first of all about Pinter, because I hear a

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Speaker 2: The pigeon. Now there's the third character. So Irish Television

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Speaker 2: called up and said, well, we're doing all of Beckett's work.

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Speaker 2: We'd like you to direct one of his works. I said, great,

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Speaker 2: I'll take Waiting for Dough. They said, goush, you know

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Speaker 2: called Catastrophe. It's an eight minute play, and we'd like

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Speaker 2: you to direct that, okay. So they gave me that,

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Speaker 2: and so I called up Harold Pinter as his contemporaries

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Speaker 2: Sir John. He was really striking. I think he was

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Speaker 2: like six'. One he's very, elegant and he was dressed.

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Speaker 2: a wing collar and so, forth and he was just.

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Speaker 1: Wonderful Why Harold, pinder why did you call him? Up

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Speaker 1: and did he influence Your he must have influenced, your.

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Speaker 2: Well of course he. Did as a, KID i worked

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Speaker 2: the young girl friend of mine whose father owned. IT

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Speaker 2: and THEN i was very influenced by the fact that

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Speaker 2: THEN i Read PINTER'S A Night out And Review, sketches

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Speaker 2: AND i, said wait a, Second pinter is doing exactly

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Speaker 2: the same thing these guys are, doing. Right he, is

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Speaker 2: IF i may use the word, ineffable he is doing the,

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Speaker 2: ineffable ineffability of human. Existence how can you look at

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Speaker 2: listen to three lines Of pinter and all of a

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Speaker 2: sudden you're in that neighbor that neighborhood of dread and

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Speaker 2: blah blah and da da. Da BUT i did, say

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Speaker 2: you know, WHAT i bet YOU i can do. That

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Speaker 2: SO i started writing these. Sketches and that's SO i

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Speaker 1: Drama that's where it. Began, yeah tell me about that.

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Speaker 1: NEIGHBOR i mean you talked About Second. City, yeah you

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Speaker 2: Well Milton friedman said something really. Great he, said the

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Speaker 1: But how does that?

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Speaker 2: Happen, well it happened In chicago because they relaxed the building.

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Speaker 2: the people started coming and, Say jesu's pretty. Good and

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Speaker 2: Country and then people From New york started coming. In, no, no,

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Speaker 2: No we all said we don't want your stinking, money and.

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Speaker 1: Not for too. Long you didn't say, That. DAVID i

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Speaker 2: Theater, well, Yeah Laurie metcalf was original, member worked for

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Speaker 2: And gary And john took over our. Space we left

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Speaker 1: What was it about that group of people and that

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Speaker 2: Well AS i, say it was the fact that the

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Speaker 1: Transition so regulation touches the arts in that, way even that.

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Speaker 2: World the other thing is that there shouldn't be you,

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Speaker 2: Be the problem with government also always is somebody has

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Speaker 2: Thief once in a, while is that person going to be? Knowledgeable? Wise,

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Speaker 2: certainly but that while hasn't happened.

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Speaker 1: Yet i'm going to hop scotch around a little. Bit

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Speaker 1: The house Of games. Emerges this is the first time

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Speaker 2: People, Yeah WELL i knew a lot of con, men

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Speaker 1: Them why why are you drawn to those convent? Sisters?

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Speaker 2: Well why is? ANYBODY i, mean everybody's drawn to. Convents

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Speaker 2: drawn as? Observers but you're just LIKE i wasn't you?

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Speaker 2: Know Like polonius says To Aphelure, love his affections do

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Speaker 1: It so it's like. Magic it's LIKE i, mean it's,

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Speaker 2: At that point with the Great Ricky, jay who was

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Speaker 2: rest In. Peace it was the greatest performer of the twentieth.

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Speaker 2: Films so, yeah AND i just finished another Film i'm

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Speaker 2: going to shoot about these con men who find a

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Speaker 2: was speedletter that proves beyond the doubt That Abraham lincoln

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Speaker 1: Exactly love you love these grandiose, schemes these Cons, yeah

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Speaker 2: Work, YEAH i love. IT i love it a lot

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Speaker 1: Cutee tell me about you mentioned that you were part

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Speaker 1: that no doubt Informed Glengarry.

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Speaker 2: Work. See the other thing IS i wasn't brought up

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Speaker 2: they were dope fiends and they were drug addicts and

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Speaker 2: they were crooksing like, that but they could. Sell they

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Speaker 2: this boxtop saying that you're interested In i'd like to

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Speaker 2: Walt our sales manager is going to be to forgive

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Speaker 2: he asked me to pick up one person to whom

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Speaker 2: WALTON W A L T O N C A R

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Speaker 2: P E T s on the. Phone cold calling means

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Speaker 1: Crazy did this New broadway mounting of the? Play And Patrick,

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Speaker 1: mark the, director did he reach out to? You were

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Speaker 1: you in consultation at all on this production or?

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Speaker 2: NOT i think he. Did AND i said some version

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Speaker 2: Of i'm so glad you're. In didn't the play tell

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Speaker 1: Words they're great, words tell the. Truth it's easier to, remember.

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Speaker 1: Remember it's so many great. LINES i, mean by the,

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Speaker 1: Big they put this in The Flipping Palace theater On.

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Speaker 1: you have Put Glen Garry Glenn ross in that?

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Speaker 2: HOUSE i would have put In Yankee. Stadium why because

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Speaker 2: KNOW i don't know anything about the reviews BECAUSE i

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Speaker 2: never read. Reviews why, not because they're either if they're,

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Speaker 2: good they aren't good, enough and if they're, bad they're.

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Speaker 2: Devastating SO i stopped. Reading the problem is people call

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Speaker 2: talked to you a long. Time you, know you know

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Speaker 2: what they said about? You and the Des Moines register.

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Speaker 2: Today who's reading The Dumois? Registered, well the personal call Got,

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Speaker 1: You but you don't.

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Speaker 2: Care, YEAH i don't, care you know The but.

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Speaker 1: So you're not married to the idea that a play

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Speaker 1: has to have a certain. CAPACITY i, Mean Glenn Garry

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Speaker 1: Glenn ross is Not Hello, dolly it's a it's an

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Speaker 1: intimate poor did you see? IT i have not seen this.

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Speaker 1: Production i've seen it, Before SURE i saw.

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Speaker 2: IT i see there's this guy Called Adolph apia was

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Speaker 2: the most famous theatrical DESIGNER i think of the late

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Speaker 2: nineteen early twenty. Century he, said this set doesn't make any.

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Speaker 2: Difference he, said the only thing that's important is the

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Speaker 2: right they knew about, that and they know About. Domates

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Speaker 2: was the Little Greek greek grape believes those are the two.

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Speaker 2: Things and there's nothing wrong with. That that's. GOOD i,

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Speaker 1: Difficult how do you do?

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Speaker 2: That you need a great set.

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Speaker 1: Designer, YEAH i want TO i told You I'm hopscotch

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Speaker 1: AND i want to talk about the untouchables because you

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Speaker 1: said you hung out with thieves and con men and

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Speaker 1: how much of that? INFORMED i, mean, again the lines

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Speaker 1: well and that side Of. CHICAGO i know you've sort

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Speaker 1: of disregarded history when you dove. IN i, mean you

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Speaker 2: Well chicago was the model for the democratic machine which

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Speaker 2: Blah it was a cab, driver you had to buy

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Speaker 2: yet the question was what are you going to do

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Speaker 2: For Dela hanty after What Dela hanty has done for.

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Speaker 2: You everybody accepted it as a matter of. Course, okay

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Speaker 2: that's the way it, works. Right and PEOPLE i knew

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Speaker 2: from the garage where they held the Same valentin's, massacre

430
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 2: and they said at that high school that was part

431
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 2: of the mythoss that people had heard it and come

432
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 2: out and.

433
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: The, Mythos yeah it happened, there didn't.

434
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 2: It?

435
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow tell me how persnickety are you about? ACTORS i,

436
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: Mean you've said it a couple of times during our.

437
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: Conversation say the, lines just say the. Lines how persnickety

438
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: are you about saying them exactly is? Written, well let.

439
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 2: Me let me say. This imagine you're talking To franz List.

440
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: OKAY i THINK i know where this is.

441
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 2: Going, well, YEAH i, say missed the. List you're? Great,

442
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 2: right nobody disputes there CAN i call You? Franz how

443
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: persnickety about? About but the guy's playing exactly the notes

444
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 2: that you.

445
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,879
Speaker 1: Wrote WHAT i just told, you it's music and it's iambic. Pentameter.

446
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 2: Listen if they could do it, better they could write

447
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 2: it Like Ethel merman was opening in a play On

448
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 2: brothers is about to go on and as a chorus girl,

449
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 2: saying oh my, god Miss, murman aren't you? Nervous all

450
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,719
Speaker 2: the critics are out, There So ethel, says if they

451
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 2: could do it, better they'd be up.

452
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 1: Here and you take the same. Perspective but you do

453
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 1: hold people as a, director you hold them to the.

454
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 2: Line, WELL i don't have to hold them to the

455
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,199
Speaker 2: line because BECAUSE i hire a Great i've worked with

456
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 2: great actors and they understand, right why would they want?

457
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 2: TO i, MEAN i. NEVER i. NEVER i never rehearsed

458
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 2: a scene in the movie in my. Life you don't

459
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 2: know WHY i hired the. ACTORS i, say you got any, Questions,

460
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 2: no go do.

461
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: It let's go do. It and that's why you work

462
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: with that. TEAM i, mean you do have that team of.

463
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 1: Actors it's almost The David mannett repertory.

464
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: Things, well but you you get to meet. PEOPLE i

465
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 2: just did this movie With shilah buff And JOHN. A

466
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 2: kite AND i worked with them. BEFORE i, know, great

467
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 2: go and mix it, up you.

468
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: Know tell me About. Spartan Val kilner just, died you

469
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: were rest in. Peace tell me about working with him

470
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: and how much research did you do on.

471
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 2: Spart, WELL i had a guy who was working with

472
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 2: who'd been In Delta, force and so we talked a

473
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 2: lot about. This we talked a little about that's, very very.

474
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 2: Helpful and other than, THAT i was fascinated by that,

475
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 2: character right of The Delta force, guy The Navy seals.

476
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 2: Guy but beyond, that it's the organizations that we don't,

477
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 2: exist who once in a while have to hire a

478
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 2: guy to go in and kick ass and take. Names

479
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: and that's that.

480
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: Guy Was Val. Kilmer one of those actors that you

481
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 1: could just let. Go.

482
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 2: Oh he was, wonderful and it was so much night,

483
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 2: shooting and so he determined the particular remedy for night.

484
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 2: Shooting so here's the thing about movies when you're directing,

485
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 2: movies to a certain, extent when you're, acting but more

486
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 2: when you're, directing if you aren't sick at the end

487
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: of the, movie you're not working hard. Enough so as

488
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 2: you go out nights and nights and, nights you're finally

489
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 2: you're going into the. Tank you're going into the. Tank

490
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: you're coming on your, reserves and you start going to the.

491
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 2: Chocolate but then at dawn we're just ben't able to.

492
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 2: Move so he made us a little every. Day we

493
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: made us a health drink which is half tomato juice

494
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 2: and half horse radish and half. Vodka and so we

495
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: said a round and he would always he was obsessed

496
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: with the commerce. Clause he's very, interesting great constitutionalists for,

497
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 2: You and SO i put that. Move we did this

498
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: movie with Alcohol Hill. Specter, yeah and he's talking About Lenny.

499
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 2: Bruce he, Says Lenny. Bruce he said they hired. It

500
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 2: they hounded him so. Bad at the end of his.

501
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 2: Life they had him shooting smack and talk about the commerce.

502
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 2: Clause that's how crazy they.

503
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: Had so that's that's a.

504
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 2: God he's a great. Actor what a great. Actor, yeah

505
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 2: rest in.

506
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: Peace, amazing amazing actor and had interesting things and fun

507
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: things to say about. You you could tell there was

508
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: an affection.

509
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: There oh here's.

510
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: Marvelous tell me About Red. Belt this is a movie

511
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,479
Speaker 1: that doesn't get enough, attention AND i bring it up

512
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: for this. Reason you have a way of seeing things

513
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: far down the line that haven't quite matured. Yet you

514
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: may even see them too. EARLY i would Argue David mammott.

515
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 2: A premature anti fascist.

516
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: On many, fronts but on this front just mma mixed martial.

517
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 1: ARTS i, mean first of, all what drew you to?

518
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: This aside From ed O'Neal the, Actor.

519
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 2: Well i've Known ed. Forever we worked together In chicago

520
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 2: sixty years ago and we were doing a confidence movie

521
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 2: In New york Called The Spanish. Prisoner and he's one

522
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: of the con, men and he, Says, DAVE i just

523
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 2: moved out To LA i met these guys they called

524
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 2: The Gracie, brothers are like five foot, six they're weigh

525
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 2: one hundred and forty. Pounds they can beat anybody they ever.

526
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 2: Met the, most you got to meet. Them so a

527
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,479
Speaker 2: few years go by And i'm having a lunch at

528
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 2: this joint over, here my lunch every, day and There's,

529
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 2: ed who has lunch every day, here and he, Said,

530
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 2: ed you know you told me about these. Guys he,

531
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 2: said you want to meet? HIM i, say why? Not he, said,

532
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: oh they're right, there like thirty feet away was the.

533
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 2: Academy SO i started Studying brazilian jiu jitsu with these.

534
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 2: GUYS i loved. It it WAS i did it for

535
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 2: twenty plus. Years it was the greatest workout in the

536
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 2: world because you use every muscle in your body and

537
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: you are aware of. It so, Anyway hicks And, gracie

538
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: who was the, great great, Fighter god bless, him and,

539
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: unbeatable and he invited me and my teacher i'd, know

540
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 2: down to an event about jiu jitsu because he's trying

541
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: to figure out how to put jiu jitsu on, television,

542
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 2: Right and the problem about jiu jitsu is a lot

543
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: of times it's it looks kind of. Static and SO

544
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 2: i was looking at this thing With, hicks AND i

545
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: was at the control booth with, him and you were

546
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 2: looking at, it looking at, it looking at, it AND i,

547
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: said what about if we introduced the element of? Chance he,

548
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: said what do you? Mean SO i, said, well what

549
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: about if we had people had to take a black

550
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: or white thing out and if they did they took

551
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: the black ball out of the urn they got you

552
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: had to strap one of their armsteair. Side so he

553
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 2: talked about, that talked about it. Later he, said you, know, yeah, no,

554
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 2: No SO i, said, well it's a good. Idea SO

555
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: i wrote that. MOVIE i love.

556
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: It you were really an early advocate OF. MMA i,

557
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: mean now it's become this, global certainly, national but a global.

558
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: Phenomenon now it's.

559
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 2: Great and you, Know Dana, white when we were shoot

560
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: in the, movie he, said, yeah what do you? Need he,

561
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 2: said you need the, pyramid you need. This he was

562
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: very very. Helpful. Huh and SO i met so many

563
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 2: interesting people in that, world Including Jean lebel who was

564
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 2: the great champion of judo and the great, stuntman and

565
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 2: it's marvelous.

566
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: People what's the difference between writing for yourself when you're

567
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: going to direct a film and writing for somebody? Else

568
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: is there a difference when you're?

569
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 2: Writing, no there's no difference in the. Writing the difference

570
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: is in, directing because they're going to think it.

571
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: Out do you feel they've really aft up your work.

572
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 2: To a certain extent here and there into, well because

573
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 2: look at they have their own. Vision some of the

574
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 2: problem is that nobody reads a. Script so a lot

575
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 2: of people would read my scripts And neil, days they

576
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 2: would pay me pretty good money to write, them but

577
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 2: they wouldn't understand them because they would, SAY i don't

578
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: understand what's happening.

579
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: Here, Right what are they? Missing, well, no what.

580
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 2: They're missing Is i'm writing a script to make them

581
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 2: wonder what happens.

582
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: Next, well that's why in your, films the films you,

583
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: direct they're like opening. UP i, mean it's really like

584
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: opening up a delicious box of you, know it's like

585
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: one of Those russian. Dolls you can't keep pulling the heads.

586
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: Off but it's totally not what you.

587
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: Expected, Underneath, well the two things that needs to be

588
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 2: either scene by scene or at the end is totally

589
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: not what you expected and, acceptable, right so. Plausible, yeah

590
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: so you look at it and, say, oh NOW i

591
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: See oh NOW i get. It, Ah, oh that's of course.

592
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: Dog so that in effect that the drama is just

593
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 2: like a, joke, RIGHT i lead your mind to its own.

594
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: Destruction, well you're your own. You and WHEN i Saw

595
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: RICKY j and all those, MOVIES i, thought Why RICKY.

596
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,479
Speaker 1: J of all the people he could? Feature he's almost

597
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: he's like your hitchcock walking through every one of your.

598
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 2: Movies.

599
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: Almost he really is an avatar for, you though in

600
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: some ways sure he.

601
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: Is and the other thing is that performers generally make

602
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 2: simply good actors because they know they're doing it for

603
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: the audience rather for. Themselves SO i did. SOME i

604
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 2: had some really great, villains and they worked. With Steve

605
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 2: martin played a villain for me In.

606
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: Spanish Tim allen for.

607
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,479
Speaker 2: Me and you look at some of the great building

608
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 2: are the, comics, right it's A Jackie gleason and The

609
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 2: hustler And Jerry lewis and The king Of comedy and

610
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: on and.

611
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: On why is? That why do you think comics and

612
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: those who, play particularly people who played before an, audience

613
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: why do they make better?

614
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: Villains because you know you need to leave it, alone

615
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 2: leave it, alone tell the. Joke the audience will just

616
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: to tell you if it's funny or. NOT i don't

617
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 2: need to do it in a funny. Face oh, yeah.

618
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: Yeah if the joke is, funny you don't need to help,

619
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: It and if it's not, funny you can't help. Me you.

620
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: Can't so that's what comics and performers. Know so the

621
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 2: problem with a lot of young people coming up there

622
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: deficit is they've never performed in front of an. Audience

623
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: because the audience will teach you right. Now, OOPS i

624
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,239
Speaker 2: can't do. That you can't call them in tomorrow and

625
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 2: ask for a better.

626
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: Grade they'll let you know right, then in real. Time

627
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: tell me About Henry, johnson because in some ways this

628
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: speaks right to what you're talking. About this was a theater.

629
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: Project this is a play that you sat in a

630
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: very small theater In venice. Initially, yeah where did that come?

631
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: From tell me where the idea For Henry johnson came?

632
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 2: From? First well BEFORE i Forget, yeah most of, them maybe,

633
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: most maybe more than, most of all the, wonderful transformative

634
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: Things i've done in my professional. LIFE i went to

635
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 2: kicking and. SCREAMING i, said, no that's not, me worth

636
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: more than, That, no no one's gonna. Come SO i

637
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: went to this kicking and. Screaming there WAS i guess

638
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 2: right at the end OF covid and my Friend Marjora Lewis,

639
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: ryan who directed a couple of plays of, mine a

640
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: couple of plays of, hers called me up and, said

641
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 2: let's do a. Play SO i, SAID i want to

642
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: have a time with the. Theater glob. Grumble so she, said,

643
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 2: no come, on come, on come, on we'll do a.

644
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: Play da.

645
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: Da so.

646
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 2: She had got anything in your, drawer SO i, said, well,

647
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 2: YEAH i Got SO i took out this Play Henry

648
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: johnson That i'd. Written that's that's What i've done for

649
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 2: about fifty. Years AS i write more or less every,

650
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: DAY i write, scenes and some of them become plays

651
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 2: and some. Don't some become movies and.

652
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: You just file them. Away, YEAH i filed them.

653
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 2: Away so, anyway So marjora read. It she, said, okay

654
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 2: we're going to put it on the. STAGE i, said, well, yeah,

655
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: Okay well we're going to get the. Money she, said

656
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 2: we'll find the. Money won't cost. Nothing SO i called Up,

657
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 2: shy AND i called Up evan And Dominic kauffman And Chris,

658
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: bauer and she put the play on and at the,

659
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: End evan And shaya, said we're gonna make a. Movie

660
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: let's make a movie of.

661
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: This everything is as it, seems all the cars during

662
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: your de because it depends on how you cut him to.

663
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 2: Sign you know of the, Psychopath, yes that they're irresistibly. Charming,

664
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 2: YES i, mean why does anyone tell secret to get?

665
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 2: When in? Return they came up with a great cinematographer

666
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 2: Sing Wong howe and light, sucking and we planned it.

667
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 2: Out and the fellow who funded his foundation funded the,

668
00:35:55,640 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 2: play Who's Sheldon Stone? Foundation they, said, yeah you guys

669
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 2: were put in little. Money we'll put it a little.

670
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 2: Money we'll shoot the damn. Movie so we.

671
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: Did how long did it take?

672
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 2: It? Huh how long is a chinaman's?

673
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: Name it's also denotes the distance between beginning and end

674
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: of the. Project that's.

675
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: True but as you, know we haven't talked About Anthony charlotte.

676
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: Yet TODAY i think it's. Time Anthony charles one of

677
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 2: my favorite. Writers he wrote The Late. Victorian he wrote

678
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: forty seven novels while running The british Post. Office and

679
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 2: he got up every day at five point thirty and

680
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 2: wrote twenty five hundred, words and if he finished a

681
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 2: novel on twenty two thousand words he'd write five hundred

682
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 2: words of the. Next and his books are wonderful That

683
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 2: i've read all of them many. Times they're just eminently.

684
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 2: Rereadable they're just. Marvelous and he had this great career

685
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: and then his reputation and fell off the cliff And

686
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: Arnold bennett it was a little bit late later. Novelists

687
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 2: so wait a, second why is? That and he, said

688
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 2: the reason is that the end of his, Life trollope

689
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: wrote a great autobiography which he Called My, Autobiography go

690
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 2: know whatever, name, yeah in which he told about his

691
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: working habits and people, said, well wait a, second now

692
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: that's his working. HABITS i have to relok at. That

693
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 2: that can't be any. Good. Ah so, uh.

694
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: The, workman the habitual discipline ended up undermining his, reputation

695
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 1: is what you're. Saying and that's why you're not telling

696
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: me how long you shot the. Movie you're worried about

697
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: the the reputational harm that might about it.

698
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 2: All it's just it's it's you, know like asking asking

699
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 2: a show how long you work on?

700
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 1: That, Right and you would, say look at the film

701
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: and call me.

702
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: Later, yeah.

703
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: Exactly so tell me About Henry, Johnson tell me about

704
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: the conceit of the play and why you were so

705
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: fascinated by this.

706
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 2: Idea, WELL i knew a guy and he was. TALKING i,

707
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 2: said he's where you have. Been he's he's going to have.

708
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 2: Lunch he, SAID i got to go up TO i

709
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 2: can a lumpac or something like, that to hatch. Apee

710
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 2: so what are you doing up? There So i'm visiting

711
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: my friend from. COLLEGE i, said, oh what's what's what's the?

712
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 2: Info so he, says, well he was having this affair

713
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 2: with the woman and she got pregnant and he wanted

714
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 2: her to abort the child and she said, no and he, said,

715
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 2: Oh i'll pay her to abort the, child and she said.

716
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 2: No so he had a little goodbye fling with, her

717
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 2: during which he induced and abort a fashion into her,

718
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 2: body and she aborted the. Child so he was convicted of,

719
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:49,839
Speaker 2: manslaughter manslaughter and sexual assault and all sorts of correctly of.

720
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 2: THINGS i said. Good he said, no, no. NO i,

721
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 2: said why are you going to visit? Him he, said,

722
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: well he's my. FRIEND i said he's your friend and

723
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 2: he did. That, yes he, said well he's going to

724
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: get out in a. While don't you think he's paid

725
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 2: his debt to. SOCIETY i, SAID i don't know what

726
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 2: his debt to society, is but whoever it, is it

727
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: isn't that young woman whom he. Violated and SO i

728
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 2: started thinking about. THAT i, thought you, know That's Rebecca west,

729
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 2: said all liberal administrations and in bloodshed.

730
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: Not.

731
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 2: Good so all it was liberal ye ends in. Bloodshed

732
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 2: SO i, thought, well what about this. Guy what else

733
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 2: does he do when his friend gets? Out and the

734
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 2: thing he does is he steals Money Henry johnson to

735
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 2: pay for the guy's, defense right because the guy is

736
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 2: entitled to. Defense and Then Henry johnson ends up in, prison, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

737
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: And he meets who. Character and it really is about

738
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 1: If i'm reading this, Correctly and AGAIN i haven't seen.

739
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: That i've only read the reviews in the. Description so

740
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 1: but it seems like it's a guy desperate for some

741
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: moral guidance and he's looking in all the wrong.

742
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: Places, sure, well the thing is people with Weak there

743
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 2: are a lot of people with weak, egos and in,

744
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: fact you see them with face masks on yelling that

745
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: to The. Jews and one of the things about a

746
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 2: lot of people with weak egos is you put him

747
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 2: with someone who has a foreign, accent and they start

748
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 2: talking with the foreign accent and they'll, say you, know

749
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 2: it's so funny When i'm around people with a foreign,

750
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: ACCENT i just start talking like. That So Henry, johnson

751
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 2: is that on the moral? Level you put him around

752
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 2: people who are? Thieves and you, know we see this

753
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: in the in the radical. Left you, know things that

754
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 2: nobody would do on their own when you put them

755
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 2: in a. Group It's katie bar the.

756
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: Door, yeah tell, me you're releasing this, Movie Henry, johnson

757
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: and you're releasing it in theaters and on the website. Simultaneously,

758
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: yeah why did you make that?

759
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,280
Speaker 2: DECISION i didn't make the. Decision producers made the. Decision

760
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: But Steven soderberg, says saying maybe twenty years ago when

761
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 2: he was one of the first guys, this it doesn't

762
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 2: make any sense WHEN i do it all at, Once

763
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 2: SO i guess it makes.

764
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: Sense you like that idea of, democracizing this making available

765
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: to everybody wherever they.

766
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: Are, YEAH i think everybody has the inalienable right to

767
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 2: buy my.

768
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: Products it's so kind of, you so nice of, You

769
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 1: AND i was. Shocked The La times wrote of this

770
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: when the point wait wait wait, wait brace. Yourself, no, no,

771
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: no you like this. One The La times, wrote this

772
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: play proves That David memmott still has much to teach

773
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: us about the dark side of human. Relations labouf is scarily.

774
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: Good that's about as good a rave as you're going to.

775
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: Get The La.

776
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: Times, yeah, yes.

777
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 2: You know What Will rogers said about The La. Times right,

778
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 2: now what did he? Say he said he was here

779
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: and he got on a, plane and he asked a

780
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: train and he has the porter for a. Newspaper but

781
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 2: he thinks porter misheard him because he brought him The La.

782
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: Time but in this, case we're going to PROTECT i

783
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: love them, now you love them at least for, now defend.

784
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 2: It to the. Death they're right to say.

785
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: That that only THAT i get. It you directed this,

786
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: movie and in your own directing book you write that

787
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: every shot should be. Uninflected, yeah tell people what that.

788
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: Means what is an uninflected? Shot and do you still

789
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: stand by? That?

790
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 2: Sure because the way that film works is through the.

791
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 2: Cut it's not in the. Shot it's not to. People

792
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: that's how we theater. Works we're in a singer talking

793
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 2: to each. Other this happens. That but the way that

794
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 2: a film works is through a. Cut we're talking to

795
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 2: each other AND i say something to you and you

796
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 2: have that look in your PRESENT i don't know what

797
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: you're going to say. Next the audience wants to know

798
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: what you're going to say. Next you cut, Right, so

799
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 2: but the shot has to be uninflected when the actor

800
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 2: is helping. IT i really want to know what just you,

801
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 2: know they look Like Jasmine.

802
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: Crockett, now this is the first time we've taken theater

803
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: directing And Jasmine crockett and put all of that. Together

804
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: Only David mammott could pull that. Off there you, go

805
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: you did. It tell Me i've always been. Fascinated you

806
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: had a religious, conversion a, deepening a return to your,

807
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: faith AND i know you are serious about. It how

808
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: did that change the way you approach your writing and

809
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: the subjects of that.

810
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: Writing, WELL i don't think it changed. That it changed

811
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 2: the vast amount of everything else in my, life BUT

812
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 2: i don't think it changed The Denis prager said something.

813
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: Wonderful he said he doesn't believe in The torah because Of.

814
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: God he believes In god because of The. Torah that. Genius,

815
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: wow that's HOW i feel.

816
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: You believe In god because of The.

817
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: TORAH i believe In god, anyway BECAUSE i MEAN i

818
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 2: look around and As John kennedy would, say the only

819
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 2: thing not made In china is the.

820
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: World, yeah that's.

821
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 2: Right does he work that stuff up at? Night you?

822
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: Know, well we're both From, Louisiana kennedy AND. I he's my.

823
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: Senator so if there is something in the, water you,

824
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: know you know those Those louisiana, writers they do have

825
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: that kind of that, gift and boy does he have.

826
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:23,959
Speaker 1: It But i'm sure he works it. Out those lines

827
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 1: are too you, see you talk about.

828
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 2: UNINFLECTED i couldn't throw all that. Stuff he throws it,

829
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 2: away it.

830
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: Does he's he is.

831
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: Funny But i'm learning to Speak. Louisiana how are you doing?

832
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 2: That BECAUSE i. HAVE i just came to my, audiologists

833
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: a great guy from Now, orleans, right and SO i,

834
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: say hi, There, bubba how are you? Today and so he, Says,

835
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 2: Okay i'm gonna give you a. Listen, okay try it

836
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 2: down on. You you? Ready, okay how's your mom and?

837
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: Them how's your mom and? Them oh that's, good, great

838
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:56,439
Speaker 1: that's very.

839
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 2: Good thank. You but you know that cost to mind something.

840
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 2: Else when those fing idiot fools were in The White

841
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 2: house and they tried to denature everything moral and good

842
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 2: and kind about The United, states they said that the

843
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 2: military shouldn't use the phrase you. Guys you guys remember?

844
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 2: That AND i thought about. THAT i, thought wait a.

845
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 2: SECOND i always admired You southerners from so many, things

846
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 2: but among them is. Y'all, YEAH i, said we don't have.

847
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 2: Y'ALL i, said, yes we. Do you guys means. Y'all

848
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 2: it has nothing to do with. Sexuality it's so. Inclusive

849
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 2: it's The northern.

850
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: Y'all, yeah that's really what it. IS i love the,

851
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: musicality the same musicality that you've brought and. EXTRACTED i

852
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: would argue From. Chicago that's the musicality that you still

853
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: feel running through whether It's Anne, rice or it's or

854
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: It's Senator. Kennedy there's a musicality and we. Have, yeah

855
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 1: and it's. Unique it's its own. Thing you brought up.

856
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: Politics let's talk about it for a. Second do you

857
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: feel culturally the political divisions are settling because and in

858
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 1: wake up The trump victory or, no you feel it's

859
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: more amplify.

860
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 2: BOTH i got a friend of mine who is a

861
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 2: wonderful guy and it lives on the corner for me

862
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 2: and talk a little bit about and he's married to

863
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,479
Speaker 2: this wonderful woman for years and years and years and

864
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 2: he lost his, house uh in the Fireus AND i

865
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 2: was talking to, him LIKE i ran into. HIM i,

866
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: said the terrible Is he, said it's even worse than.

867
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 2: That he, SAID i don't know IF i can stay married.

868
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 2: ANYMORE i, mean my wife went back and she's going

869
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: through the ashes picking up. THIS i, said why are

870
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 2: this reporting about? This we're fighting about? That da, DA

871
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 2: i just you know. That AND i, said, baby you're

872
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 2: this is called post traumatic stress. SYNDROME i, said you

873
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 2: are soft. Up you and your wife is you have

874
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 2: no idea what's going. On you're going to take a

875
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: deep breath because everything is cognitive, dissonance. Everything and SO

876
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: i really understood post traumatic stress syndrome for the first

877
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 2: time in my. Life and then the people who have

878
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 2: kids on the autistic spectrum all get. Divorced AND i

879
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: went to a meeting and the fellow explained. Why he,

880
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 2: said because it's so, difficult but the two parents who

881
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 2: love their kid more than anything in the world are

882
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: having different, experiences and he, said it's It's Elizabeth Koobler

883
00:47:53,160 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 2: ross's cycle of, grief, denial. Acceptance bargaining, said the two

884
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 2: people are cycling at different, rates so that when always

885
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 2: out of. Sync so you, say how can you say

886
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 2: this always out of? Sync that's cognitive. Dissonance so the

887
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 2: left is The Democratic, party of, course doesn't exist. Anymore

888
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 2: so the question is to what extent is The american

889
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 2: populace the liberals going to. Reform and what happened to

890
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: The jews after they Left egypt was cognitive. Dissonance they

891
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 2: were all so screwed. Up they wanted to go, back

892
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 2: and then they wanted to Kill, moses and then they

893
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 2: wanted to worship The Golden, calf and then they et,

894
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 2: cetera c. C so that After moses shows, up the

895
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 2: entire Five books Of moses is about dealing with the

896
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 2: only problem That moses ever, had which was The. Jews,

897
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 2: right because they're undergoing cognitive, Dissonance so what's the. Answer

898
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 2: in The, torah they had to die, Out the generation

899
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 2: of the desert had to die. Out and so what

900
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 2: we're seeing now is the generation of the desert is dying,

901
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 2: out and you see it on the right in The

902
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 2: rise of The people like. Jd vance, right and you

903
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 2: see it on the left that people are going to

904
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 2: have to, say the younger people are going to have to,

905
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: SAY i don't get. It it doesn't make any sense what's.

906
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: Happened and so you're saying The woodstock generation is on

907
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: its way. Out and that's what we saw in these marches.

908
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 2: RECENTLY i, mean if you look at those people those, marches,

909
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 2: right they're all brain you, know brain dead seventy year old,

910
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 2: gray asexual. Liberals, right they can't reform themselves because to

911
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 2: do so would be to repudiate everything that they think

912
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 2: they stand.

913
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: For, you as a, dramatist as a, writer as an

914
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: observer of, culture how do you see this arc Of Donald?

915
00:49:54,680 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: Trump how would you dramatize it or show it be

916
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: dramatized by the, Way, well.

917
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 2: No you KNOW i saw this movie was somebody Dramatized Donald.

918
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 2: Trump he's dramatic. Enough you, know you don't want to

919
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 2: gild the, lily, right nor melt refined. Goals you, know

920
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 2: as it says in The Good, book it's just you

921
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 2: look at him and you, think what it's.

922
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: Magnificent it's an. Amazing it's a, Spectacle. David we were

923
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 1: destroying just ReSpectacle.

924
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: That these people. Exist and you, know the hit. Theatre

925
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 2: herzel was the founder of The Jewish. State went to

926
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 2: the trial Of, dreyfus who was wrongly accused of treason

927
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 2: in eighteen ninety, five and he was being degraded By

928
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 2: he was a member of The french, military and the

929
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 2: people weren't screaming death to The, trader they were screaming

930
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 2: death to The. Jews So herzel was a very very

931
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 2: Successful viennese dramatist left and he, said let me think about.

932
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 2: This we need to have our own countrary, Right and

933
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 2: fifty years later they. Did out of nowhere And Donald

934
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 2: trump out of. Nowhere but it's The american. Myth it's

935
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 2: Mister smith goes To. Washington it's mister regular guy who

936
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 2: finally gets in the office and, says The emperor has no.

937
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 2: Clothes it's The american myth except for.

938
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: Him and it's played in such A i, mean it's

939
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: a dramatic. Scale we've never seen anything like, this no,

940
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: ONE i, mean the political just the political, Comeback, dave

941
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: have you ever seen a historical precedent for?

942
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 2: It there isn't. One the closest THAT i can get

943
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 2: is if you read contemporary accounts Of George, washington where

944
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 2: everybody says we came into a room and people were

945
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 2: just were, odd and he was quiet and and soft.

946
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 2: Spoken they just, said, yes, Okay i'll give my life to.

947
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: You and you think we're seeing a new iteration of.

948
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 2: THAT i know we. Are it's the Second American revolution

949
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 2: that none of us ever thought was.

950
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: POSSIBLE i know you're concerned about the state Of america

951
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: as a, culture we as a. People you keep returning

952
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: to this, theme how the arts and the, manners the

953
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: way we live our, lives how all of that is

954
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: really contributing to who we are and our. Future it's

955
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: very concerning to, you though, PERSONALLY.

956
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 2: I always thought it was going to end up as

957
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 2: a derelict BECAUSE i knew many. Skills they DISCOVERED i

958
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 2: knew how to, write and THEN i DISCOVERED i lived

959
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 2: in a country where IF i worked at, it was

960
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 2: good at, it and got lucky and, PERSEVERED i could

961
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 2: actually make a. Living i'm crazy about this. Country my

962
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 2: grandparents came here with, nothing and my, grandmother who raised

963
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 2: my dad as a single mom during The, depression who

964
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 2: didn't speak very Good, english sent him To Northwestern University Law,

965
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 2: school where he graduated first in his. CLASS i loved this,

966
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 2: country AND i think that we. ALL i wrote a

967
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 2: play about it Called, november he, said when we get

968
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 2: around to the water, cooler we all kind of liked

969
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 2: the same. Things we had to evacuate my house because

970
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 2: of the, fires and we ended up in a, hotel

971
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 2: two of us with our two. Dogs everyone else a

972
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 2: mother and, father, kids blah blah. Blah scramped up together

973
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 2: in the mainly liberal, community even gone along like, wildfire

974
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 2: and a lot of those people suffered tremendous, losses and

975
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 2: we our house was, spared thank. God everyone was filled

976
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 2: with compassion for their neighbors and concerned for their, neighbors

977
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 2: and the desire to be polite because we were all.

978
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 2: Together and that's that's What trump is. Saying that's the

979
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 2: state Of. America, Dudes we're all in it. Together let's

980
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 2: take let's scrape the scum off the top thing they call,

981
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 2: them the, politicians and, take As Milton friedman, said let's

982
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 2: take it back to the kitchen. Table. Right what does it?

983
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 2: Cost where DO i get out of? It when DO i, reevaluate.

984
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: And that's when we're, healthiest when it's about people and

985
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 1: when they're in charge of their. Destiny of, course, yeah

986
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: you mentioned In, november which is a great.

987
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:18,240
Speaker 2: Play.

988
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 1: OH i wrote a book about the origin of that turkey,

989
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: pardon which Was Tad. Lincoln you know it Was lincoln's.

990
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,760
Speaker 1: SON i do know that it Was Tad lincoln who

991
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: they brought The christmas turkey to the house and his

992
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: Brother willie had, died so he befriended this. Turkey he

993
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,479
Speaker 1: taught it, tricks he trained it. Well christmas came, around

994
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: they pick up the turkey to go kill it for

995
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: the for the. Feast he's broken. Down he grabs his.

996
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: Turkey he runs up the stairs and as he saw

997
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: his father pardon all of the men who were in

998
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: the field and battle during The Civil, war he goes and, Says,

999
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 1: daddy pardon my turkey At, lease pardon, it which he,

1000
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 1: does which is the beautiful origin story of the turkey

1001
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: part WHICH i know you didn't tell that, tale but

1002
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: you did tell a. President it is about a, president

1003
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: part in a couple of, turkeys and really about the

1004
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: whole and a meditation on where we are as a.

1005
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 1: Country that play was not warmly received by the critics

1006
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: because you had already done Your i'm a reformed. Liberal,

1007
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: no it is the other, manifesto or you were about.

1008
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 2: To, NO i wrote, it AND i did that. Play

1009
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 2: The New York. Times writer from a newspaper asked me

1010
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 2: to write about the. Play SO i, said, well it's

1011
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 2: really about political. Civility AND i, said my understanding of

1012
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 2: political civility IS i tell you WHAT i, believe and

1013
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 2: you tell me what you, believe and we find and,

1014
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 2: say wait a, second, okay, GOOD i get. That NOW

1015
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 2: i have to say your position such that you say that's,

1016
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 2: right and you have to say my position such that's.

1017
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 2: Right now we proceed to the. Facts we, say what

1018
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 2: can we agree on? This? No throw it? Out, this,

1019
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 2: no throw it out, this, Yes so then we proceed

1020
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 2: with the thing upon which we agree and we proceed from.

1021
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 2: Here that's political. Civility SO i wrote this. Article it

1022
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 2: was it Was The Village. VOICE i, Said i'm not

1023
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 2: even politically civil to myself or my whole. LIFE i

1024
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 2: referred to myself as a brain dead. Liberal Next, Thursday

1025
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 2: british the whole front page Of The Village. Voice why,

1026
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:23,479
Speaker 2: MAMMAS i am WHY i am no longer a brain

1027
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 2: dead liberal boom hi By.

1028
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah the other way.

1029
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 2: Around NOW npr lost my number At New York times

1030
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:40,280
Speaker 2: that he everyready lost my, number SO i, said, Okay

1031
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 2: so it caused a moment of it was kind of.

1032
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: Accidental then it was completely. Accidental, wow you, KNOW i

1033
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 1: guess that's not HOW i remember. It and even WHEN

1034
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: i read, IT i, thought, oh this, happened and then

1035
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: everything else. Proceeded it was really a reflection on a

1036
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: play and at the heart of the, play.

1037
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 2: And the whole heart of the play that raised on

1038
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 2: her as the woman who's the speech. Writer she, says you,

1039
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 2: know we say we're a country, divided but We're american.

1040
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 2: Citizens we laugh at the same jokes where we make the,

1041
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,919
Speaker 2: quota we whap each other on the, back And i'm

1042
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 2: not at all sure that we don't love each. Other

1043
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 2: so that WHAT i thought was my love letter To. America.

1044
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: America last time we, talked we talked about your memoir

1045
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: everywhere in Oink, oink and it was kind of a, takedown,

1046
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: scolding hilarious analysis Of hollywood and how it got, here

1047
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: really the whole. Culture where Is hollywood? Now well in your.

1048
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 2: Estimation it's. Over there's several. Reasons it's just it's run its.

1049
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 2: Course that the movie industry after it came to, fruition you,

1050
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 2: know as my son, say, frutician it's they owned the.

1051
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,439
Speaker 2: Theaters they had to divest from, them AND i think

1052
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 2: fifty eight or something like, that they had a completely

1053
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 2: vertically integrated. Everything they bought up the, product that made the,

1054
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 2: product they distributed the. Product they you, know they it

1055
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 2: was a cash. Business there's a lot of, theft but

1056
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 2: they don't own the theaters. Anymore and there's no reason

1057
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 2: for the. Infrastructure you, know within ten miles of, it

1058
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 2: there's forty thousand people involved doing. Nothing yeah. Zero you

1059
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 2: look at all these influences on, whatever TikTok and.

1060
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: The Big dog on, YouTube and, yeah it's the.

1061
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 2: Present the other thing, is not only don't you need

1062
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 2: a lot of technology, Here you don't need a lot

1063
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 2: of infrastructure out there because you could do WITH. Cgi

1064
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 2: you don't have to and you don't have to be

1065
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 2: so finicky because it's all going to be seen on

1066
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 2: a small. Screen so it's not forty by thirty feet,

1067
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,439
Speaker 2: anymore you, know it's three by four.

1068
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: Inches it's changed everything, yeah what do you make of

1069
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: the Snow White temacal Where disney went? Pillaging they're great

1070
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty eight. Class it's a, cartoon which it's such

1071
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: A i rewatched it. Recently it's such a beautiful. Piece

1072
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: why would you ever try to remake? That or we're

1073
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: a live action version of?

1074
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 2: It? Huh well why did they Have World war two

1075
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 2: And World war? One worked out so?

1076
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:24,439
Speaker 1: Well because they could exactly? So and as we said

1077
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: at the, start because that's where the money.

1078
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:28,479
Speaker 2: Is, well that's where the money.

1079
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: IS i.

1080
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 2: Mean, also you, Know Peter dinklin's a great. Actor he's

1081
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 2: a little person who's were second.

1082
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: Exactly what about?

1083
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 2: Us are you kidding?

1084
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: Me but they seriously changed the. Storyline they broke the

1085
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: story and the chain of the story that people. Loved

1086
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: when you do, THAT i, mean, yes the actress was

1087
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: also doing her own political sideshow and protest, movement but

1088
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: aside from, her the thing itself is. Corrupted it's not Snow,

1089
00:59:56,200 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: white it's not The Grimm's brother or Even disney's of

1090
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: The Grim's brother's tail any. Longer that's what happened, There

1091
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: that's Where that's WHY i think it really.

1092
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 2: Believed disney BECAUSE i saw A. Fantasias you ever See

1093
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 2: fantasia have hippos?

1094
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 1: Dancing that's come.

1095
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 2: ON i, mean, yes they could have. Stood but.

1096
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: He did have a striking vision and he did remake

1097
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: The american imagination in many. Ways and people come to expect.

1098
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: Something if IF i Say i'm giving You david mamm

1099
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,479
Speaker 1: It's Glengarry Glen ross and we, have you, know six

1100
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: drag queens at a, brunch something's off. Here and IF

1101
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: i start pulling your storyline out and suddenly it's not

1102
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: about real, estate it's about selling. Dresses we're in different. Territory.

1103
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: Now that's essentially what they did with, this keeping the

1104
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: veneer of the, exterior but. Mangling, see these are all corporate.

1105
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 2: Decisions none of those people who made those the, decisions

1106
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 2: they all thought they were going to be held if,

1107
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 2: responsible all communally. Responsible and they've never they never spent

1108
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 2: time sitting in a theater watching how people. Reacted the

1109
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 2: other thing that the reason there is the death Of

1110
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 2: hollywood is that it's no longer important to see how

1111
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 2: people react to the certain extent because you're selling in a,

1112
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 2: subscription so you want this big thing over here by

1113
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 2: all of this trash over.

1114
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: Here oh that's a you, KNOW i hadn't thought of.

1115
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: That that's the dark side of the subscription. Thing you

1116
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: really don't have to be attentive to the audience. Anymore,

1117
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: yeah you just keep. Peddling they're going to swallow whatever

1118
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: you give.

1119
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 2: Them that's WHY i like the new especially fonts. News it's, funny.

1120
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 1: So you come to be entertained about breaking news and Current.

1121
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah the other thing, is you, know you look at

1122
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 2: these other legacy guys with this door look on their

1123
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 2: face all the.

1124
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: Time why it's a bad. RIDE i always say it's

1125
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: a bad. Ride you.

1126
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 2: Know, listen IF i want to put a paper bag

1127
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 2: off over my head and, SUFFOCATE i can do that

1128
01:01:59,160 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 2: without the help of.

1129
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: News, okay there's a series of QUESTIONS i ask everybody who's. Here, oh,

1130
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: okay you're. Ready this is The Royal grande. Questionnaire who

1131
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: is the person you most? Admired david the PERSON i

1132
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: most admired?

1133
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 2: Today, Yeah, oh that's a very very good. Questions Donald? Trump?

1134
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 1: Wow? Why probably because of what we discussed a little, earlier.

1135
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 2: Because he looked at something that was, impossible which was

1136
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 2: the resurrection Of forgive. Me i'm going to say it

1137
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 2: The american dream and, said, okay what we need to

1138
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 2: have to? Happen and he was treated worse than Any

1139
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 2: american citizen in, history and nothing faced. Him and SOMETHING

1140
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 2: i heard something When malania said that he came down

1141
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 2: the before he ran in twenty, four she, said, oh

1142
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 2: you're going to run? Again he said, yes and she

1143
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 2: SAID i hope you. Don't and he said why and she,

1144
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 2: said because you'll. Win.

1145
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: Great who is the person you most? Despise?

1146
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 2: WELL i despise a lot of, people but WHEN i,

1147
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 2: DO i try to remember THAT i should probably despise myself,

1148
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 2: first because the REASON i find their behavior despicable is

1149
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 2: because the, potential if not the, actuality is in myself.

1150
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 2: Right so, yes it's, jushure.

1151
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: But spoken like a. PLAYWRIGHT i like that you're empathizing with.

1152
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 2: Them the apparently he wrote a Book Chuck schumer called

1153
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 2: Anti semitism In. America he, did AND i, thought how dare?

1154
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 2: He but somebody who's died The israel and this the

1155
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 2: prime minister and withheld The. Israel and now he writes

1156
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 2: a book Called antisemitism In. America BUT i read the

1157
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 2: subtitle says a quick start guide.

1158
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: It's just a quick. Start, well you got to start, Somewhere,

1159
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: david that's. Right what's the greatest feature and best feature in?

1160
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 2: Humanity AM i feature? Film no?

1161
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: Feature like feature like the feature you, have the thing you.

1162
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 1: Possess what is your best feature or the best in?

1163
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 2: HUMANITY i Think i'm very understanding and forgiving to all

1164
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 2: the swinder who don't understand my, work.

1165
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 1: And you write great books about. Them most, importantly your

1166
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 1: memoirs are worth the worth the. Trip what's your favorite Neil.

1167
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 2: Oh that's a very good. Question. Oh my wife makes

1168
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 2: this wonderful sardine, pasta sardines and. Breadcrumbs it's crazy.

1169
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 1: Good. Wow, Yeah i've never had. That, yeah it's the

1170
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: only sardines and bread.

1171
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 2: Crumbs, yeah she's been cooking out of A sicilian.

1172
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 1: Cookbook your favorite book and the last book you.

1173
01:04:55,680 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 2: Read my favorite, Book. GAULLIA i don't, know you. KNOW

1174
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 2: i read the works In ENGLISH A Vasally grossman last,

1175
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 2: year who was she is the greatest writer of the

1176
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 2: twentieth centuries Of Russian and he, was among other, things

1177
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 2: the reporter For Red, star which was their stars and,

1178
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 2: stripes and he was at the front all Through. Stalingrad

1179
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 2: he was at the liberation of whichever camp they. LIBERATED

1180
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 2: i think it was burkean Out.

1181
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: And why didn't you want to dive into his complete?

1182
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 2: Works, well BECAUSE i read one THAT i read them.

1183
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,919
Speaker 1: All, oh you couldn't. Stop, yeah you binge read?

1184
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 2: Them?

1185
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: Yeah was that the last book you?

1186
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 2: Read? Last? No, no, No What i've been reading? Lately

1187
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 2: what have been reading? Lately? Oh i've been reading the

1188
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 2: works Of Ross thomas, lately who was An american crime.

1189
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 2: Writer he wrote forty. Books they're a lot of. Fun

1190
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 2: and he also said something one of the best THINGS

1191
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 2: i ever. Heard he was an alcoholic and he was

1192
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 2: At Dan tanis or something With ross. MacDonald it was

1193
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 2: another big, drinker the red middle of the day and

1194
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 2: they sit down in the red booths and the water

1195
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 2: comes over and, says what CAN i get, you, gentlemen

1196
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 2: And Ross thomas says a couple of double, Martinis and

1197
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 2: the waiter, Says oliver, twist And Ross thomas, says we'll order.

1198
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 2: Later isn't it? Great it's?

1199
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: GREAT i love. It tell, me what do you, Fear

1200
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 1: david Mammontt you know WHAT i?

1201
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 2: THINK i THINK i fear this. GRACE i fear, doings

1202
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 2: and that's what a lot of my, reading especially about The,

1203
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 2: victorians and a lot of my writing is about guys

1204
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 2: who make one false. Move how close we are To

1205
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 2: that's what film wair is most mainly about how close we,

1206
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 2: are just stepping off the sidewalking over.

1207
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 1: Right over the ooops? Right what do you know that

1208
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 1: no one else?

1209
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 2: Knows Preston sturgis was the great comedic. Directors movies is just.

1210
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 2: Brilliant don't even want to watch, them want to eat.

1211
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 2: Them and he wrote a wonderful movie Called hail The Conquering,

1212
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 2: hero where This Eddie bracken is dismissed from The Marine

1213
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 2: corps because he has allergies and he still wants to

1214
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 2: be in The Marine corps and he's going, home but

1215
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,720
Speaker 2: he can't tell them he's been. Dismissed and so these

1216
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 2: marines show up and they, say come, on we'll put

1217
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:24,439
Speaker 2: you in a marine. Uniform you'll get off the thing

1218
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 2: and everything will be. Fine when he goes, there there

1219
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 2: are these two. Bands one of them is Playing hail

1220
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 2: The Conquering, hero and one of them is playing the

1221
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,960
Speaker 2: Star Spangled Banner american The. Beautiful and THEN i was

1222
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 2: reading a book By Mary Elizabeth braden who will tell

1223
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 2: you about a second who describes that same scene written

1224
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 2: about eighteen eighty. FIVE a hero gets off and these

1225
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:47,760
Speaker 2: two bands when playing. Hale so OBVIOUSLY i know That

1226
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 2: Preston sturgis read that, point read that.

1227
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 1: BOOK i, Know but what's The but the question, was

1228
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 1: what do you know that no one else?

1229
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 2: KNOWS i. Know That's, Oh i'll tell you another.

1230
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: One, okay give me another.

1231
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 2: One this gets a little bit. Arcane there was in

1232
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 2: reading about The First World, war but flyers in The

1233
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 2: First World, war there was a ditty they, said he

1234
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 2: died with his hand on the, throttle and this is

1235
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 2: the reason he. Died he. Forgot he forgot to recall

1236
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:23,559
Speaker 2: that iota is the maximum angle of. Glide, right sort

1237
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 2: of question is what does that? Mean So i'm trying to,

1238
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 2: think what does it mean? Iota what does iota? Mean

1239
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 2: what does it mean by?

1240
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: What? So?

1241
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 2: Uh and iota is always written in, caps AND i

1242
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 2: think it doesn't mean what is the maximum angle of?

1243
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 2: Glide there's no such, thing but there's such a thing

1244
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 2: called the angle of maximum. Glide so what's the angle

1245
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 2: of maximum glide on an? Airplane? Right it's indicated by the.

1246
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:57,720
Speaker 2: Airspeed every airplane has a maximum. Angle you're going to

1247
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 2: get the maximum glide on this air speed because if

1248
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 2: you if the because the increase the air speed by

1249
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,320
Speaker 2: putting the nose, down going to increase the air. Speed

1250
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 2: but smash yeah, Wow so and you can and you

1251
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 2: can put the nose up and you'll be up, longer

1252
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,679
Speaker 2: but you're going to smash. Too SO i started looking

1253
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 2: on pictures of old, airplanes AND i, thought how would

1254
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:25,879
Speaker 2: you find the angle of maximum? Glide what would ioda?

1255
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 2: Mean what will be indicated on the air? Speed SO

1256
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 2: i look on the airs and there and it. Is it's.

1257
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:33,600
Speaker 1: Indicated, yeah so he forgot.

1258
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 2: The recall that indicated on the air speed is the maximum.

1259
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 2: Gangle SO i figured that.

1260
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: OUT i love.

1261
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 2: THAT i Love that's what's it good? FOR i always,

1262
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 2: thought you, know if it's not good for, anything oll remember.

1263
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 1: You remember it and you'll use it in a screenplay or. Play,

1264
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 1: well WHICH i will be staying tuned. For what is

1265
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 1: the greatest?

1266
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 2: VIRTUE i think it's, courage don't you?

1267
01:09:58,200 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: Honestly uh?

1268
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 2: Huh? Truthfulness well the other thing is but, yeah a

1269
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 2: lot of times you need you, know perhaps it's the preliminary.

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01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 2: Virtue if you don't, encourage what good is?

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Speaker 1: Honesty, yeah that, is that's very. True but if you

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Speaker 1: could live anywhere and you weren't, here where would you?

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Speaker 2: Be why WOULD i want to live anywhere but.

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Speaker 1: HERE i don't blame. YOU i like it here. Myself

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Speaker 1: as a matter of, fact.

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Speaker 2: We live around. Here my wife likes it. HERE i

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01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 2: always try to get her out Of Southern. CALIFORNIA i

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01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 2: live here BECAUSE i want to be close to my.

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Speaker 1: Taxes well you can you can see them being used

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Speaker 1: in such fascinating ways all around.

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Speaker 2: Here wanted TO i wanted to get A t shirt

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01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:38,759
Speaker 2: made and wear it today which said save water Support Karen.

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Speaker 2: BASS i should have done.

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Speaker 1: That next, time we'll do. That we'll do that the next.

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Speaker 1: One what's your biggest? Regret do you have?

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Speaker 2: One? Well most of my? Regrets, yeah, yeah. YEAH i

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01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:51,640
Speaker 2: did a lot of stuff in my life THAT i.

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01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 2: Regret and at some point you got to say that

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01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 2: That god, says you, KNOW i, know you, know but

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01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 2: they say prayer and study and good works moderate the

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01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:10,799
Speaker 2: severity of the. Decree so there's a lot of stuff

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Speaker 2: THAT i, regret and THEN i have a lot of

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01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 2: real estate. Regrets of, course who.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't, yeah, well Especially, californians they always have those. Regrets

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Speaker 1: what's the best piece of advice you ever, received either

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Speaker 1: professionally or. Personally, oh you.

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01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 2: KNOW i wrote these series of sketches and they did

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01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 2: In chicago and a little forty seed theater With Billy

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01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:39,599
Speaker 2: macy AND. J. J. Johnston it was Called American. Buffalo

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01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 2: it's a. Seri and then we did it In New

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Speaker 2: york at The oh that little, Thing, no it's before

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01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 2: it was On, beltway something called The showcase code for a.

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01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:53,599
Speaker 2: Moment Actors equity forgot that they're, insane and so they, said,

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Speaker 2: well anybody can do it in one hundred seed theater

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Speaker 2: ninety Nine Seed. Theater anybody can do twelve performances if

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01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 2: everyone's working for. Nothing so we did this play in

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01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 2: this little ath performance is a little one hundred seat

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01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 2: theater Off. BROADWAY i thought it was pretty good And Ulu,

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01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 2: grossbard who was a, director a very good, director came

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01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 2: up to me and, said if you figure out the,

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01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 2: Plot i'll put you On. Broadway and so he.

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01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:26,680
Speaker 1: Did that's how it. Happened if you can figure out

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01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 1: the plot that can apply to a ton of, Things.

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01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 2: David, sure if.

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Speaker 1: You can figure out the, Plot i'll put your own.

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01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 1: BROADWAY i will remember. That oh good. Lie if you

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01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 1: weren't doing what you're, doing if you weren't, writing if

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01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 1: you weren't, directing if you weren't telling, stories what would

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01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 1: you be?

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01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 2: Doing? WELL i don't. Know AND i flew airplanes for

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01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 2: a number of years AND i aged out of, it

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01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:52,919
Speaker 2: AND i loved every minute of. It HAD i started

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01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:57,680
Speaker 2: ten twenty thirty years, EARLIER i would have liked to

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Speaker 2: have been a. PILOT i am a. Pilot but what

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Speaker 2: WOULD i be doing?

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah.

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01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 2: That's a very good, question AND i THINK i spend

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01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 2: most of my days thinking about. It i'm in the

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01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 2: midst of various projects right. Now i've got a couple

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01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,680
Speaker 2: of books coming, out And i'm doing a lot of

1331
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 2: cartooning For Barry weiss at The Free. PRESS i do

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01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 2: a cartoon every.

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Speaker 1: WEEK i see. Them what happens when this is? Over?

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01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 2: David when what is?

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01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 1: Over when it's all?

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Speaker 2: Over, well it's never all over when it's over for,

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01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 2: us or you mean when we?

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Speaker 1: Die, yeah what happens when it's?

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01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:35,080
Speaker 2: Over? WELL i said to my, WIFE i just hope

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01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 2: one thing for you to you don't marry a.

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Speaker 1: Lawyer is that what you think is going to?

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01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 2: HAPPEN i, said if if you thinking about, IT i

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01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 2: want you to bury me on a rotisserie SO i

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01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 2: can roll over in the grave all the.

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Speaker 1: Time David, mammoth it's always a. PLEASURE i always love

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01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,839
Speaker 1: being with. You IT'S i feel full WHEN i finished

1347
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 1: talking to. You and it's like WHEN i read one

1348
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:05,680
Speaker 1: of your plays or watch one of your, films you

1349
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 1: just feel reinvigorated. AGAIN i think that's the whole, purpose right,

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01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 1: WELL i and all.

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01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 2: Of my people love watching you And laura play it the.

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01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 1: Dozens we're laughing through the, Pain, David we're laughing through the.

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01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 1: Pain thank, you thank. You here's the. Hole if you

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01:14:21,040 --> 01:14:24,640
Speaker 1: find the, plot they'll bring it To. Broadway don't just

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01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 1: go through the. Motions organize what you are. Doing find the,

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01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 1: reason find the. Purpose AND i Love David mammott's writing.

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01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 1: Advice he writes every, day and he keeps writing in the,

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01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 1: heat in a. Gush he once said that's the best

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01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 1: approach for any brainstorming or planning as. Well get it

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01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 1: all out in the, moment in the frothy. Heat you

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01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 1: can always revise it, LATER i. Promise David mammott's new

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Speaker 1: Film Henry johnson is available for download Starting may. Ninth

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Speaker 1: it's available At henry johnsonmovie dot com And Shilah boof

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