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The Car Doctor is in the garage 14 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: and ready to take your call. 15 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: And here we are yep, another week of adventures with Ron. 16 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: I keep thinking of how to make this show better, 17 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 2: if it's any good at all, But I think it's 18 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 2: more about, you know, what goes on in the shop 19 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 2: and the things I see in the experiences I have, 20 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 2: and you know, just trying to talk out to the 21 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 2: shop because I don't know. You know, auto repair is 22 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 2: a very misunderstood industry. It really is. And it makes 23 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 2: me think that does anybody see what I say? And 24 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 2: I'm sure shop owners do, but does the consumer? And 25 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 2: that's what makes it so difficult. Recent article just I 26 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: think it was this week or today even in the 27 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 2: New York Post. Ford CEO Jim Farley commented he can't 28 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: fill five thousand mechanics jobs paying one hundred and twenty 29 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 2: thousand dollars a year. And here's the quote you've all 30 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 2: been waiting for. You know what, Jim says, We're in 31 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 2: trouble in our country. Yeah, no kidding. Research Kathy is 32 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: writing I had written for one of the local magazines 33 00:01:53,880 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 2: or regional magazines g'z twenty five thirty years ago. And 34 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: you know, I'm writing a book. I know it's I'm 35 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: trying to get through it, but boy, it's not hard. 36 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 2: It's not easy. It's hard. And we're going to include 37 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 2: some of the articles that I wrote twenty five years ago. 38 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 2: And Kathy's writing these articles, and she's or reading the 39 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 2: articles and she says, you know, I read every one 40 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 2: of them. He said, First of all, you still say 41 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 2: the same things today. That you said twenty five thirty 42 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 2: years ago, and she said, all of them are true, 43 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 2: and in many cases you predicted the future. She goes, 44 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 2: do you realize that? And I said, yeah. And one 45 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 2: of the things I've been saying for a teen years 46 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 2: is this is an industry that gets no respect. That's 47 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 2: kind of like being Rodney Dangerfield that were you know, 48 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 2: nobody really looks at mechanics, and everybody complains mechanics or 49 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 2: too expensive mechanics of this or mechanics of that. The 50 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 2: problem is, and yeah, there's there's some bums out there, 51 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: but the bigger problem is everybody's got a preconceived notion 52 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 2: of how to fix something and how we're going to 53 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 2: approach this and why we're going to approach this, and 54 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 2: I don't think anybody realizes what order repair is. I 55 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: had a phone call this week at the shop. Gentlemen 56 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 2: called up, I've been listening to you on radio and 57 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 2: I need to get my sixteen sixteen Chevy Equinox. I 58 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: don't know. The phone was ringing off the wall. Three 59 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: people were standing in front of me. I could barely 60 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 2: give the man his due that he deserved, and I 61 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 2: felt bad about it. But you know his sixteen Chevy 62 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 2: Equinox had two variable valve timing fault codes, and one 63 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 2: of them he believes he fixed by putting an actuator in, 64 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: but the other one is difficult to get to. So 65 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: he did some sort of a diagnosis, as he put it, 66 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 2: and he believes it's the timing chain. When can he 67 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 2: make an appointment and bring it in? And you know, 68 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: my whole theory about timing change, it's an interesting conversation 69 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: to have. I think some vehicles wear out timing chains, 70 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 2: regardless of what you do. My experience that the Chevy 71 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,119 Speaker 2: equinoxes seemed to be going through them, the little two 72 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 2: four Eco boost and the fives or the one sixes, 73 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 2: I think it is are going through chains because it's 74 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 2: usually lack of me and it's usually poor quality oil changes. 75 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: But how do you jump into that Because in Bergen County, 76 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 2: New Jersey, and I've said this a million times on 77 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: the air, in Bergen County, New Jersey, show me a 78 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 2: machine shop, show me an engine rebuilder. So when you 79 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 2: take that apart to see the timing chain and you 80 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 2: find slivers of metal, you can say, okay, we can 81 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 2: get this fix or that fix. We can get the 82 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 2: engine repair for that having to go get a whole 83 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 2: great assembly or a whole engine assembly from GM. Where 84 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 2: do you go with that? And yet people will say 85 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: that mechanics are judgmental, People will say mechanics are expensive, 86 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 2: People will say that mechanics don't properly diagnose. I think 87 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: part of the issue is that even when mechanics are trying, 88 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 2: the deck is stacked against them because of the public conception. 89 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 2: What Ford CEO says, what Fort CEO Jim Farley says, 90 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 2: when he says we're in trouble, he's not lying. There 91 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 2: are you know, there's a pile of mechanics. Get I'm 92 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 2: ready to retire. You look at an AS certification class 93 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 2: and I guarantee you three quarters of the guys in 94 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: that room have gray hair. And that's a problem. And 95 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: when I go out to YouTube, I look at the 96 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 2: YouTube channel and I see some of the stuff at 97 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 2: YouTube University. And I know some of these kids as 98 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 2: I call them, and they'll talk about how they use 99 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 2: the scope and they did this, and they did that 100 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 2: and it took them three minutes. Now, when you talk 101 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: to them in class, they'll say, yeah, that was a 102 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 2: three day car but I just made it look good 103 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 2: on the video. So even YouTube, Lise, right, you know, 104 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 2: as long as we're going to be honest here and 105 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 2: talk about this. There's a bit of fallacy with regards 106 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 2: to YouTube University and how accurate it is. But the 107 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 2: bottom line, and this is really the meat and potatoes 108 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: of it, is we need more mechanics and we need 109 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: to start training them. We need to start We need 110 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 2: to ramp up the trade schools. We need to put 111 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 2: autoshop back in high school. It needs to be a 112 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 2: four year program at least. You know, I don't know, 113 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 2: says he can't find people to take a job. At 114 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty thousand dollars a year, that's a 115 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 2: lot of dough. That really is a lot of dough. 116 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 2: And you know, maybe not for every part of the country. 117 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 2: In Bergen County, New Jersey, you're probably broke making one 118 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 2: hundred and twenty a year, you know, But in other 119 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 2: parts of the country that's good bread, Fred, And yet 120 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: we can't find people to take these jobs. And it's 121 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: not just order repair. It's all the trades, electricians, carpenters, plumbers. 122 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 2: It's something that can't be outsourced and it's something that 123 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 2: can't be done by AI and it's a problem, and 124 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 2: it's going to continue to be a problem because you 125 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 2: mark my words, we don't figure this out in the 126 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 2: next three to six years, you're going to see an 127 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 2: even bigger backlog of getting your car fixed. You know, 128 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 2: order repair is interesting, right, and again talking to you 129 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: from the heart and what I see and what I suspect, 130 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think we realize how far 131 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 2: behind the eight ball we are, and I don't think 132 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 2: you realize that. You know, as CEO Farley puts it, 133 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 2: it takes X number of weeks to teach somebody how 134 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 2: to take an engine in and out of a super 135 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 2: duty forward pickup, which I thought was kind of interesting 136 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 2: that he was referencing that, because that's such a big, 137 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 2: big problem they have right now having to do engines 138 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: in these trucks. But this is a question of placing 139 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 2: people in the right skill set because I think there 140 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: are mechanics out there, I really do. I think there's 141 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: a lot of mechanics out there, potentials want to bees 142 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 2: to do it yourself. Is the guys that you know, 143 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: they go to work, you know, Monday through Friday, nine 144 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: to five in that computer job or in the office job, 145 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 2: or you know, wearing the suit and tie, and I 146 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: wish I was a mechanic, but they can't because you know, 147 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 2: how do you break into this industry? It's it's you know, 148 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: you want to be a mechanic. So let's see, let's 149 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 2: say you go to trade school, trade school, any one 150 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 2: of them, Link in Tech or Uti or any of them. 151 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 2: It's it's somewhere in the magnitude of twenty five to 152 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: thirty grand for you know whatever. It is a two year, 153 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: three year program, and it's probably more all right, it's 154 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: probably more by now. Then you come out of your 155 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 2: twenty five thousand dollars program, let's baseline it there, and 156 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 2: you have to buy tools. Well, you know you could 157 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 2: buy you can buy something other than snap on or Mac. 158 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 2: Most of most of the texts seem to buy that stuff. 159 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 2: And you know, there's probably a minimum of a twenty 160 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 2: five thousand dollars investment in the first three years in tooling. 161 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 2: And what do you get back for it? See, that's 162 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 2: the problem. Ford saying one hundred and twenty thousand a year, 163 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 2: and that's probably you know, he doesn't say, but is 164 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 2: that entry level is that atex b tex, you know, 165 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 2: top of the line, mid level. Right, you're investing so 166 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 2: much money to become a mechanic. It's not like forty 167 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 2: years ago, all right, you had a screwdriver, a straight 168 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 2: blade of Phillips, a set of wrenches that ran from 169 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 2: three eighths to three quarters of an inch. Oh, maybe 170 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 2: he got excited. You got to use a seven eighth 171 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 2: inch wrench because it was the big one, right, a hammer, 172 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 2: a hack saw. Now today, my god, I have draws 173 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 2: of wrenches and draws of wrenches. You know, we have 174 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 2: to take an inventory because sometimes you forget where stuff is. 175 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 2: That is kind of the hilarity of it, right, Danny 176 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: was working on something the other day and he was 177 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 2: looking for something and he goes where we put I 178 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 2: don't know, I really don't know. We haven't used it 179 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 2: in a while. And we tend to move things around 180 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 2: trying to become more efficient, more organized, which confuses us 181 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 2: even more. And it's just kind of hilarious what you 182 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 2: come across in the shop and you know, these are 183 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 2: the tools you need to fix cars, but it doesn't 184 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 2: matter because we don't have enough mechanics anyway. I'm not 185 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 2: sure where we're going. I guess I'm just trying to 186 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: point out that I agree with mister Farley. And if 187 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 2: you go Google search CEO Jim Farley in the New 188 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 2: York Post, you can read the article this entirety and 189 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 2: you'll see that what he says is a little nerve unnerving, 190 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 2: you know, as he closes out, and he says, we 191 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 2: have over a million openings and critical jobs emergency services, trucking, 192 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 2: factory workers, plumbers, electricians, and tradesmen. And he's not wrong. 193 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 2: So we need to rethink our priorities and get squared away. 194 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 2: Eight five five five six nine nine zero zero. I'm 195 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 2: coming back right after this, and we're gonna open up 196 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 2: the phone line, so don't go away. I'm Ron Ananian 197 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:44,599 Speaker 2: be right back. Hey, let's get over to Bernie in 198 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: Pennsylvania waiting there patiently with his forty two willies. Bernie, 199 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 2: this is kind of cool. What are we trying to do? 200 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 3: Hi? 201 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: Ron? 202 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 3: You mentioned mechanics before you forgot the Baylor twine. Something 203 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 3: else that was in the toolbox. 204 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and that's all And that's all you needed, right. 205 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 2: It just it's it's so different now, it's it's and 206 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 2: and We're going to really have to get on our 207 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 2: on our game here because we're going to lose a 208 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 2: generation and then we're going to really not be able 209 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 2: to get cars fixed. So anyway, what's going on? 210 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I'm the son of a mechanic. Actually, my 211 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 3: dad rebuilt this forty two Willie deep totally and it's 212 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 3: it's been in the storage, hasn't been run in a while. 213 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 3: It's got the total of seventy miles on the engine, 214 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 3: and I want to crank it back up and do 215 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 3: it properly. I know I need to drain the fuel 216 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 3: out of it and put some fresh fuel in there. 217 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 3: We're also going to use non ethanol fuel, just not 218 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 3: to complicate matters, right, but but oil change is something 219 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 3: that I had a question about, wondering what the best 220 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 3: way to go with that is. 221 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 2: In terms of what viscosity, brand type, all of it. 222 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much. I think he's been a thirty weight, 223 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 3: high detergent guy in the past. I don't think he's 224 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 3: put synthetic in it. That would be my preference, but. 225 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 2: You probably can't find what you're looking for by conventional means, 226 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 2: all right, So to me, that's a hot rod, all right. 227 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 2: It's a pre seventy five engine. Okay, when was it rebuilt? 228 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 2: How long ago. 229 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 3: He rebuilt it? Probably about twelve years ago, all right? 230 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 2: So do you know did they change the valve seats 231 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 2: in the head or is it standard valve seats or 232 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 2: to what degree and level? 233 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 3: I think it's probably standard. 234 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: Okay, So you know, basically, there's a company out there 235 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 2: called Driven Racing Oil. You may or may not like this. 236 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but we'll see. It's the stuff I 237 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 2: use in the hot rod, all right. They make a 238 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 2: great oil. If you read their website, and I believe 239 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 2: it's Driven Racingoil dot com, but if you google it 240 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 2: will come up. They'll they'll talk about the different oils 241 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 2: and what they do and how they apply to different engines. 242 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 2: They I believe, have a straight thirty way and they 243 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 2: will have the correct oil with the correct head is 244 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: in it because they know it's going into a vehicle 245 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 2: that does not have a catalytic converter. Because a modern 246 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 2: day vehicle that's got a cat on it can't use oil, 247 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: for example, with I believe sulfur in it because it'll 248 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: damage the cat. But they've they've got the they've got 249 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 2: the good stuff, all right, not cheap, but what is 250 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 2: But it's the right oil. Uh and and I think 251 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 2: that's where you're going. I think you're going to end 252 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 2: up with that. The other thing depending upon you know, 253 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 2: what sort of sludge do you have in this do 254 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 2: you have any How long has it been sitting? How 255 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 2: long has it been sitting, Ernie? Did you say it's. 256 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 3: Been sitting for a few years. It's been driven a 257 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 3: little bit, But I don't think there's any sludge. It 258 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 3: looks like it's really right. It's clean, pretty crystal clean. Yeah. 259 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 2: So one of the one of the things I like 260 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: in vehicles that sit a lot. And on suspicion, it's yeah, 261 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 2: you know, I take the oil fill cap or if 262 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 2: I pull the valve cover off, what does it look like? 263 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 2: But I can't see in the crevices. I like stitching. 264 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 2: I like stiiction eliminator from Hotshot Secret, all right, I 265 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 2: think that's I think that's one of the better crank 266 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 2: case cleaner type chemicals out there. It's not really a chemical, 267 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 2: it's an additive in the marketplace, and you can go 268 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 2: out to their website Hotshotsecret dot com and read all 269 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 2: about it. So I like it. Plus it's a really 270 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 2: cool green color, which I really like to it's just 271 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 2: kind of neat to look at. What else are we 272 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 2: going to do to this? We got to go through 273 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 2: drive line fluids, right, yeah, yeah, for sure, six vault, 274 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 2: twelve vault, twenty four vault because all three flavors came 275 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 2: in that generation of vehicle, which is yeah, it's a 276 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 2: six volt okay, so you know, obviously this is a generator. 277 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 2: There's probably greasable fittings in the generator at the end 278 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 2: for the bearings if I remember, right, So we want 279 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 2: to make sure those are taken care of. We want 280 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 2: to go through the front suspension, you know, I would. 281 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 2: I would get out as much of the old break 282 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 2: fluid as I could, if there's any in it, and 283 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 2: refill the system and then flush it clean doing you know, 284 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 2: doing it manually. I like to do, just to recap 285 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 2: it real quick. I like to do. Get a big 286 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 2: plastic cup, good sized plastic cup, like you know, go 287 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 2: to your favorite fast food quench quench your McDonald's cheeseburger craving, 288 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 2: right and and and stop by, get a burger and 289 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 2: some fries, and get a big giant gulp whatever the 290 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 2: heck it is in a plastic cup and use that 291 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 2: rubber breakose pig pigtail, curly q it into the cup. 292 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 2: Bind your clip at the top to hold the rubber 293 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 2: hose in place about I don't know, fourteen eighteen inches 294 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 2: of rubber hose. Put the cup on the ground. Open 295 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 2: the bleeder pump to your heart's content. When you push 296 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 2: all the dirty fluid out, keep filling the master. Now 297 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 2: go around. Now go around the vehicle and manually bleed 298 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 2: and purge and flush the system. In that method, I 299 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 2: think Dot three is probably fine. You know, I don't. 300 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 2: I don't know that you need Dot four. I don't 301 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 2: know that you need to complicate it ever so much. 302 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 2: I don't. You're probably not going to drive the vehicle 303 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 2: all that much anyway. You know, I would not use silicone, 304 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 2: and that has some issues too. I'm not a big 305 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 2: huge fan. But bottom line, just get out all the 306 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 2: old fluid. Fill it with fresh You know. The thing 307 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 2: I like about bleeding breaks that way is you're working 308 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 2: the hydraulics right You're you're you're pushing the master, you're 309 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 2: moving the wheel cylinders. You're getting everything to open up 310 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: and spread, and you'll get a great pedal if you 311 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 2: bleed and flush it correctly. So you know, those are 312 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: the kind of things we're talking about. Obviously, it didn't 313 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 2: sit outside. It was stored inside. Yes, okay, so you know, 314 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 2: on the chance, you know, where are we in Pennsylvania? 315 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 2: Is there any animal intrusion? We want to look around 316 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 2: make sure nothing got nibbled on. Obviously, a fresh battery, 317 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 2: I mean, that's a no brainer. You know, if we're 318 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 2: going to drive it in the rain. I don't know 319 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 2: what the hard top is like. But if you can 320 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: find and get a pair of wiper blades on it. 321 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 3: You know, it's got a manual wiper. 322 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 2: You do it by hand, right, yeah, right, I'm not 323 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 2: thinking you know, but yeah, but just make sure there's 324 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 2: a wiper on there that works. And obviously go through 325 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 2: the lights and all the rest of the stuff. And 326 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 2: there you know, coolant is there still coolant in it? 327 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 2: Is the radiator film? 328 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 3: Yeah? If I put some some fresh uh I think 329 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 3: prestone in there. 330 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 2: Right, you know, you could you know, do some sort 331 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 2: of a chemical flush or a mild chemical flush, and 332 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 2: then you know, open up the pet cock, let it run, 333 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 2: add coolant, open up the pet cock. Let it run 334 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 2: and bleed it out unless you are lucky enough to 335 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 2: have access to a coolant exchange machine. Right, you know, 336 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,120 Speaker 2: that's that's another way to go at it. But coolant's 337 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:37,719 Speaker 2: going to be the last thing on the list, and 338 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 2: I'd probably do coolant again in five thousand miles or 339 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 2: two years, whichever comes first, because of the acidity issue 340 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 2: that could come up. So that's the way we're going 341 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 2: to go about it. My friend, you let us know 342 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 2: if you need more. I'm running any in the car doctor. 343 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 2: We're back right after this from the city streets to 344 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 2: the open road. And if you ride and needs here rown, 345 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 2: we'll keep you rolling. 346 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 3: Right. 347 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 1: He's a car doctor, doctor car and bast right. 348 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 2: Well, I think that was the Ken Martin band went again. 349 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 2: That was mister Martin himself. I like his tone. I 350 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 2: like these uh. I like these songs that we're getting 351 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 2: out there, mister. 352 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: They've been practicing on some new songs for you. 353 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand that, and we're gonna get those out 354 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 2: on here wee else. We're going to put those into 355 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 2: the podcast so people have that to look forward to 356 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 2: as well. But yeah, look at that, we have our 357 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 2: own band. By the way, I do have one complaint 358 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 2: though they eat a lot. I mean I went into 359 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 2: the I went into the green room after the show 360 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 2: last week. You know, there's seven guys in that band. 361 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 2: They went through fourteen pizzas, three hero sandwiches, a round 362 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 2: of muscles, and a plate of pasta. I mean a 363 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 2: bowl of pasta. 364 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: Haley, a lot of energy to support the car doctor. 365 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 2: Oh come on, Dash, I'm just saying, oh yeah, but 366 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: you're missing the point. I want to stop doing the show. 367 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 2: I want to be in with them. I want to 368 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 2: be in there with them meeting. You know, they had 369 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 2: they had they had a pineapple pizza, which I usually 370 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 2: think it was illegal to put pineapple on pizza until 371 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 2: you have a slice, and pineapple pizza is actually one 372 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 2: of the best. But yeah, my. 373 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: Son says that he likes that, and I've never tried it. 374 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:23,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta try it. Come on, we'll tell you what. 375 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 2: Get into the green room next week, and you know, 376 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 2: get yourself a slice before the band eats it up. 377 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 2: So and then I. 378 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: Tried to, but I don't have a musical instrument to 379 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: bring in, so they won't they won't allow me get 380 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: through the door. 381 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 2: Well, if you have enough pizza. You will. Let's go 382 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 2: over to Carl and Louisiana. Carl, how are you, sir? 383 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 4: Oh well, thank you for taking my call. 384 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:46,479 Speaker 2: Very welcome. 385 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 4: What can I do for you guys out of the 386 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 4: New Jersey area, Yes, sir, that's what I thought. I'm 387 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 4: I apologize for calling so late, and I had difficulty 388 00:19:56,119 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 4: with my phone. I was trying to understand what ways 389 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 4: to test the functionality of a catalytic converter. I've heard 390 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 4: a couple of different story The things I've done is 391 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 4: I have a good scan tool. It shows me the 392 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 4: incoming and the outcoming temperature based on what the ECM 393 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 4: is telling me. I've heard other people talking about like, well, 394 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 4: let's put this way. I don't know if it's a 395 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 4: good mechanic or not. That's something he's like, Oh man, 396 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 4: it smells like sulfur coming out of your exhaust. Your 397 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 4: cat's gone. So I'm looking at the data and the 398 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 4: temperature upstream and downstream are accurate, and I'm trying to 399 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 4: understand how can I determine if a cat is good 400 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 4: or bad? 401 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 2: Do we have a is this a problem vehicle? Do 402 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 2: you have a check engine light in a fault code 403 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 2: or this is just general knowledge, general knowledge. 404 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,479 Speaker 4: What kind of car, Well, it's a twenty thirteen f 405 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 4: one fifty eco boost. 406 00:20:54,000 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 2: All right, So let's talk about catalytic converters and general 407 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 2: catalytic right, temperature related. It requires temperature to do what 408 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 2: to take carbon monociga to t right carbon monoxide into 409 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 2: into carbon dioxide and oxygen. Right, we're trying to break 410 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 2: down the molecules, so you know, and then and then 411 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 2: we get ht O and H two oh and some 412 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 2: of these we get water. But it takes heat. So 413 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 2: we're either going to do an oxygen storage capacity test 414 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 2: and look and see how much oxygen can it hold, 415 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 2: or we're gonna look at We're gonna look at oxygen 416 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 2: sensor cross counts. Let's talk about storage capacity. I think 417 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 2: it's a simpler one for everyone to understand. 418 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 4: I do the same thing, and I look at the 419 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 4: O two inlet and outlet of it, and I monitor 420 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 4: the middle of old signal, and they seem to be 421 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 4: corresponding accurately. And that's why I was saying I shouldn't say. 422 00:21:55,359 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 4: I'm asking you if the inlet temperature versus the outlet 423 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 4: temperature is a difference that you should pay attention to 424 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 4: with catalytic converter failing, I don't. 425 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 2: I don't simply because I find I do the oxygen 426 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 2: storage capacity test, I'll graph it out with a scan tool, 427 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 2: and I find that to be more accurate. But now 428 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 2: let me say this, that's my part of the country, 429 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 2: all right. I believe that test to be accurate at 430 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 2: the national level. But I always tell everybody different areas 431 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 2: of the country have different consequences. The way they blend 432 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 2: your fool, the way they blend fuel for you in Louisiana, 433 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 2: I guarantee you, is different than the way they blend 434 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 2: fuel for me in New Jersey. 435 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 4: And certainly I'll ask you a question and you elaborate 436 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 4: on what you mean by oxygen storage. 437 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 2: Okay, So think of somebody sitting at the counter eating 438 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 2: a sandwich. You ever go have a You ever go 439 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 2: have a Hero sandwich? 440 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 4: Oh? 441 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 2: Yes, okay, So a twelve a one foot Hero twelve 442 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 2: inches of sandwich. You get down to about inch number 443 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 2: nine and you can't eat no more in your burp, right, 444 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 2: And oxygen and a catalytic converter is sort of the 445 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 2: same way. A catalytic converter swallows everything and it stores everything, 446 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 2: and then it gets to a point where it's reached 447 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 2: its capacity. All right, it's stored as much much oxygen 448 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,959 Speaker 2: as it possibly can, and then it burps and it 449 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 2: releases it. And that's the moment when we will see 450 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 2: a difference between the front OH two sensor the back 451 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 2: O two sensor in the length of time it takes 452 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 2: to make that change. So we'll see we'll see that 453 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 2: downstream oh two change. We'll see all of a sudden 454 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 2: that downstream O two instead of being high, it will 455 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 2: drop lean. 456 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,239 Speaker 4: Okay, all right, let me ask you this. If you 457 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 4: and I can monitor upstreaming downstream oh two, how long? 458 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 4: How long until it takes you to eat that hero sandwich? 459 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 4: You can see it? 460 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 2: Well, what kind of car? What kind of car are 461 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 2: we talking about? See that's like I said, yeah, but 462 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 2: that's but that's my point, right, so you know, let 463 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 2: me let me say it like this. It's usually no, 464 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 2: it's usually no. It's not like that. It's a percentage factor. 465 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 2: A catalytic converter is considered and we're talking general terms. 466 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 2: A catalytic converter is considered efficient when it meets the 467 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 2: criteria of storage capacity seventy percent of the time. It's 468 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 2: a matter of math. Is there is a mathematical formula 469 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 2: that we could probably look up somewhere. I have it 470 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 2: in my notes where it talks about the difference between 471 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 2: the front row two, the rear row two, the length 472 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 2: of time, divide it all out and it has to 473 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 2: be at seventy percent efficiency. Matter of fact, I know 474 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 2: where the formula is at the shop. Right. 475 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 4: If it falls, I've done I've done bad things then, 476 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 4: because there's people that have had pout catalytic converters that 477 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 4: have helped friends of mine, It's like, oh, actually, we're 478 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 4: just going to you know, break that loose like your 479 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 4: engine breathe. They don't have to worry about emissions criteria. 480 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 4: Down here I'm trying to avoid is having you know, 481 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 4: back pressure and you know blown out seals and things 482 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 4: like that in my own vehicle. And you know, yeah, 483 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 4: I could just open it up from the manifold and 484 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 4: not worry about it. Because well, but. 485 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 2: If you're if you're if you're worried about if you're 486 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 2: worried about that first question I asked, or do you 487 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 2: have a fault code? Do you have a P zero 488 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 2: four twenty or a P zero four thirty. Oh, okay, 489 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 2: if you if you go and look in ob under 490 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 2: ob D, if you look at pending, do you have 491 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 2: any fault codes? No? 492 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 4: No? 493 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 2: Right? Have you have you? Do you understand mode six 494 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 2: testing inside of a scan tool? Uh? 495 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 4: I don't know what mode six is, but I've done 496 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 4: the OEM testing the right delves a little further. 497 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 2: Well, my point is if you go look at mode six. 498 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 2: Mode six is the testing done inside of a scan 499 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 2: tool of Visa v ob D two technology, and it 500 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 2: is the actual behind the scenes testing that the computer 501 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 2: will put the vehicle through. To determine is the cat 502 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 2: a pass or a fail? You can go look at 503 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 2: mode six and determine way before it sets a pending fault, 504 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 2: whether or not that cat has a problem replacing a cat. 505 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute, 506 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Carl, But before we 507 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 2: condemn catalytic converters based on smell, it's likely something else 508 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 2: is causing that cat to smell, either the quality of 509 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 2: the fuel, the maintenance being done to it or not 510 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 2: being done to it, the quality of the ignition system. 511 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 2: How good is the spark right? How warn are the plugs? 512 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 2: I mean all that stuff comes into effect. So you know, 513 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 2: a good running, well balanced system your truck, all right, 514 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 2: I mean you're living proof of it. Okay, you've got 515 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 2: a good running truck that's twelve years old for all 516 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 2: intensive purposes. Right. You can graph and record your cat temperatures, 517 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 2: you can look at fuel trims, you can do an 518 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 2: oxygen sensor storage capacity. That's known good. All right. You 519 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 2: can look at that every month from now for the 520 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 2: next two years. When you see that start to degrade, 521 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 2: you know what known good is, right, you know what works. 522 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 2: You haven't set a code yet, because nothing is more 523 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 2: critical than the judgment of the computer, right, agreed. 524 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 4: Well perhaps, I mean it depends on the sensor, but 525 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 4: you've definitely validated what I'm trying to look at. And 526 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 4: earlier I was listening to you talking about the future mechanics, 527 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 4: and I do want to say there are future mechanics, 528 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 4: except we don't have them in America because we don't 529 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 4: have small enough Chinese child hands to work on. 530 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 2: That's all I Carl, you be well, you have a 531 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 2: great rest of the weekend, and we'll talk to you again. 532 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 2: I'm running any in the car, doctor Rebecca. Right after this, 533 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 2: another hour kind of flying by here on the car, doctor, 534 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 2: and we'll almost at a time, but before we run 535 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 2: out of time, I think mister Ray wants to contribute 536 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 2: to the conversation, right, Tommy, you'll make a comment about 537 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 2: mister Farley, their CEO, Ford and the technician shortage. 538 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I had a conversation this morning. He's 539 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: a friend of mine posted online. Granted, this was a 540 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: fictional story about a guy who showed up at a 541 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: school functioned kind of like a career day, and he 542 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: was a mechanic and with grease under his fingernails. And 543 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: everybody was looking down their nose at the guy just 544 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: because you know, you had a computer programmer, you had 545 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: a doctor, you had this. And he got up there 546 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: and he spoke and he says, you know, he says, 547 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: if I don't maintain the trucks, you don't have anything 548 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 1: to buy. You don't have any food, right, you don't 549 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 1: have any close through there And with my friend, I 550 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: used my daughter as an example. Now, she's a doctor. Okay, 551 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: she's highly educated. She's a doctor. She takes care of 552 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: anim Her boyfriend is a school system custodian. And people 553 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: look at me when I say that, and go, what 554 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: do you mean he's a custodian. He's a first of all, 555 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: he's a great guy, and he treats her like a queen. 556 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: But he gets up every morning, he goes to work. 557 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: He works hard, he's smart, he can fix just about anything. 558 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: I mean, what's not to like about the guy? Seriously, 559 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: why do we look down our nose at these people? 560 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 3: Well? 561 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 2: I think, you know, is it because people work with 562 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 2: their hands, but you know, or is it that society 563 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 2: has made it too easy for people that, oh, we 564 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 2: don't need a car, we can uber, But the uber 565 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 2: is still a car. I don't need to buy a car. 566 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 2: I can uber or take a taxi, but that's still 567 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 2: a vehicle. It's still a method of transportation. And I 568 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 2: think about that, Tom, and I think that's you know, 569 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 2: that's all valid comments and questions. You know, I grew 570 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 2: up in a time where I could never afford a car. 571 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 2: I literally made one car out of three, all right, 572 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 2: and that was my first car. I just kind of 573 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 2: cobbled a car together, and I kept those cars around 574 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 2: as long as I had to, or until mom realized 575 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 2: that I really had all those cars, and she said, 576 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 2: something's got to go, it's either you or the cars, 577 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 2: and I went, all right, needless say, I got rid 578 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 2: of the cars. But you know, I'm not sure. I think. 579 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 2: I think the mistakes people make is they have preconceived 580 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 2: notions now about what it takes to repair a car. 581 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 2: Because my father taught me this, and no disrespect, but 582 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 2: if your father's in the ground more than a year, 583 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 2: chances are what he knew isn't applicable to today's modern automobile. 584 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 2: You know, somewhere in this weekend show, I talked about 585 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 2: the twenty twenty gmc Denali that has three computers, four switches, 586 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 2: five relays of computer. I mean, it's just it's an 587 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 2: endless list just to make the starter go. In nineteen 588 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 2: sixty two, I also mentioned that there were three components, 589 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 2: a key of purple wire, a battery, and a starter. 590 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 2: And you know, the technology is just so different. And 591 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 2: originally I used to really believe that we are on 592 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 2: the quest of trying to eliminate emissions. Yeah, I get it, 593 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 2: we're trying to cut down on emissions. We're trying to 594 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 2: make vehicles less able to be stolen. But as they 595 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 2: posted in New York City today, those eight guys are 596 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 2: indicted for stealing Honda's by figuring out the cars they wanted, 597 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 2: cloning the keys, changing the vin bringing it in for 598 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,239 Speaker 2: a service that validates the vehicle is theirs, and then 599 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 2: they would sell it. So if they want it, they're 600 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 2: going to figure out how to get it, they're going 601 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 2: to take the car. Bottom line, we've taken technology to 602 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 2: a point. You know, read an oe Original Equipment Manufacturer 603 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 2: Service manual. How many times does it say replace with 604 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: known good part as part of the diagnostic tree. You know, 605 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 2: I want to know where all these known good parts 606 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 2: are coming from, because, as far as I'm concerned, the 607 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 2: part's not known to be good until we actually try it, 608 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 2: put it in a vehicle in a last longer than 609 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 2: two weeks. And who's got this endless supply of parts? 610 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 2: Wake up? We've taken technology way too far, and we're 611 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 2: asking too much of it because we can't even deal 612 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 2: with it. The OEZ can't deal with it, and they've 613 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 2: designed it. How do you think the rest of the 614 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 2: world is gonna do? No wonder nobody wants a car. 615 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 2: They're too damn complicated. Eight five five five six nine 616 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 2: nine zero zero. That's my commentary for today, I'm running 617 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 2: any in the car, doctor, I'll be right back. Wrong button. 618 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 2: You know it's it's I'm tired. It's it's been like 619 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 2: a long week. The light switch doesn't turn on. The microphone, Tom. 620 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 2: You know this is this is like we uh, I'm sorry, 621 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 2: you up. We can't take you out. I'll tell you what. 622 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 2: You can't take me out. But you know this is 623 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 2: like my daughter and I went when close shopping about 624 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 2: three weeks ago. True story, Okay, and we're tired. We've 625 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 2: been in the mall about six hours. We're close shopping, 626 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 2: getting ready for the holidays. And I find this green 627 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 2: shirt and I guess there's in order to repair analogy 628 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 2: here about you have to look first and be sure 629 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 2: of what you're looking at. And she says, you're gonna 630 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 2: try it on. I said, I'm tired. I don't want 631 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 2: to try it on. And I said, I'm gonna hold it. 632 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 2: I hold it up to my shoulders and I go 633 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 2: and I look in the mirror and I go, look 634 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 2: it fits, it fits well. Look how it looks. And 635 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 2: she looks and she goes, you're right, it does fit well. 636 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 2: She goes, something doesn't look right, though we both realized 637 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 2: we're looking at a mannequin wearing the same shirt. We're 638 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 2: both so tired we couldn't tell that. You know, it 639 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 2: wasn't me so needless to say, right, be sure of 640 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 2: what you're looking at because it's it can be felt 641 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 2: like a dummy. I felt like a dummy. Listen. I 642 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 2: felt like a dummy a lot this week. It was. 643 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 2: It was a pretty tough week in the shop. And 644 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 2: I know I say that a lot in mechanics, say 645 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 2: that a lot, but it it was interesting. The physicality 646 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 2: of the shop is expected. The mentality and how much 647 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 2: you have to think all the time. You're always training 648 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 2: your brain to do more and more and more, and 649 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 2: you're required that, you know. I think that. In closing, 650 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 2: it's one of the things I like about doing CrossFit. 651 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 2: People say why do you CrossFit at your age? I 652 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 2: like doing CrossFit because it's the mental challenge as well 653 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,399 Speaker 2: as the physical challenge, and it's always making me think. 654 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 2: So to my peeps out there at CrossFit, thanks for 655 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 2: putting up with me. I'm running eighty in the car, 656 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 2: doctor boy, oh boy. Till the next time. I'm reminding 657 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 2: you good mechanics aren't expensive. They're priceless. See y Hey car. 658 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 2: Doctor Carr advice to write