Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.
Speaker 3: These are our stories done done.
Speaker 2: Yay, that's messed up an SVU podcast.
Speaker 1: I am your host, Liza Trigger and I am your
Speaker 1: other host, Kara Klank. And you know what we do here.
Speaker 1: We recap SVU episodes, talk about the true crime they're
Speaker 1: based on, and interview fun guests, and up top we
Speaker 1: just chit chat about the world melting around us.
Speaker 2: But today I'm.
Speaker 1: Happy because it's Rosie's birthday. Oh my god, yeahild how
Speaker 1: old is she now? Six today? That's like a grown
Speaker 1: US woman.
Speaker 2: I know, she's a full woman with like in control
Speaker 2: of herself. It's crazy, she I was, that's the firstcrap
Speaker 2: like this. Yeah, she's about to just like be doing
Speaker 2: long division.
Speaker 1: I know she's like reading shit like I can't spell
Speaker 1: shit in front of her anymore.
Speaker 2: It's annoying.
Speaker 1: But yeah, she's really pumped. We're going to Lego Land
Speaker 1: this weekend. As I've mentioned, thank you for those of
Speaker 1: you that have sent me tips. I think I'm just
Speaker 1: honestly gonna go in kind of blind, but she got
Speaker 1: to open one present this morning. We got her a
Speaker 1: sleepy squash mallow if you know, you know, they're like
Speaker 1: bigger squash mallows that are like asleep because you're supposed
Speaker 1: to kind of like cuddle them while they're sleeping.
Speaker 2: What animal.
Speaker 1: It's the red Panda from Turning Red, which isn't even
Speaker 1: a movie that she likes that much, but she loves
Speaker 1: red pandas. And it was a gamble and Jared told
Speaker 1: me to go. He's like, she'll love the red Panda,
Speaker 1: and he was right. She was like, this is my
Speaker 1: best bird. They present like. She loved it so much.
Speaker 1: She demanded balloons first thing in the morning. But like,
Speaker 1: by the way, the regular rubber balloons that were like
Speaker 1: used to those like only stay afloat for nine hours.
Speaker 1: I thought that they had a longer shelf life, So
Speaker 1: I had to shell out for the metallicky ones because
Speaker 1: they last a week and she wanted them in the morning.
Speaker 1: And a couple years ago I tried to do that
Speaker 1: for her and they were all on the ground and
Speaker 1: it was embarrassing. So she got some cute balloons. She
Speaker 1: got a little stuffy. She's having a little pizza to night.
Speaker 2: From where her favorite restaurant, Dominoes or what I mean.
Speaker 1: Honestly, she's become like such a she does now she
Speaker 1: thinks the sauce at Dominoes is too spicy, but she's
Speaker 1: obsessed with getting it because she likes the garlic knots.
Speaker 1: She likes the little like bread knots or whatever. She'll
Speaker 1: eat seven of those, like in a sitting. It's really yeah,
Speaker 1: six years old and no sign of the picky eating
Speaker 1: a bathing anytime soon.
Speaker 2: But so what else? What's is she doing? Like a
Speaker 2: school party? Do people do that? Or you can't bring
Speaker 2: anything sweet or not so or nothing, and everyone's just
Speaker 2: licking ice together like the school party?
Speaker 1: Like so true. Literally I am bringing her cupcakes later
Speaker 1: to school. You're allowed to do it the last twenty
Speaker 1: minutes of the day, so you come in at like
Speaker 1: two ten until two twenty eight, Like it's like literally
Speaker 1: eighteen minutes of birthday fun. And then it's supposed to
Speaker 1: kind of be prepackaged, but the teachers like turn the
Speaker 1: other cheeks so that you can, you know, bringing cupcakes.
Speaker 1: I didn't make them, I bought them, but still they're
Speaker 1: supposed to be like packaged individually, you know, like I
Speaker 1: bought them because of like nuts and shit like that.
Speaker 2: But they don't care. They don't care at this at
Speaker 2: her school.
Speaker 1: So so we're gonna do that, and then I have
Speaker 1: to go get one. I do have to go get
Speaker 1: a vegan donut for a child that is dairy free.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna go get it at Chapel Rohmee's former
Speaker 1: place of business, Donut Friend, where she used to work.
Speaker 1: But she really yeah, she used to work at Donut Friend.
Speaker 2: Well, oh my god. They also got a bunch of
Speaker 2: weren't they like union anti union.
Speaker 1: Yes, they're also a donut shop that opens at eleven am.
Speaker 1: Wake up for selling donuts. It's Saturday morning. My kid
Speaker 1: wants a donut. You're missing my business. But anyway, the
Speaker 1: donuts are delicious, and I think they're all, if not all,
Speaker 1: most of them are vegans. So it's good for these
Speaker 1: like dairy free kids. And yeah, that's so that's the birthday.
Speaker 1: So no party like the Lego but no party the
Speaker 1: Lego land is like the party. I mean tonight, we're
Speaker 1: having like a couple of little pals over of like
Speaker 1: her local like school friends over like two to have
Speaker 1: pizza and cake and that's it. But Minecraft. The cupcakes
Speaker 1: are Minecraft, the cake is Minecraft. Where Wow, a girl
Speaker 1: and Stem. I can't believe it. Yeah, yeah, completely completely.
Speaker 2: Women in Stem. She's so into Minecraft and knows so
Speaker 2: little about it. It's wild.
Speaker 1: We don't have like we don't play it, you know,
Speaker 1: like we don't have a switch or anything. But or
Speaker 1: I don't even know if that's where you play it.
Speaker 1: But no, I think it's a computer game. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: they start playing on computers. Yeah, oh, I just don't
Speaker 1: think friend has a switch. But yeah, they were playing
Speaker 1: it in Bama school. They were playing it in school
Speaker 1: because it was on their school iPads. And I was
Speaker 1: concerned because I was like, wait, it's not like a game,
Speaker 1: like why is there a game? But I'm like, these
Speaker 1: are la like usd iPads. They're obviously anything that goes
Speaker 1: on them has to be approved. So there is an
Speaker 1: educational version of Minecraft that was on there. But so
Speaker 1: many parents wrote into the teacher to be like what's
Speaker 1: going on that, she just said, forgot it. We're taking
Speaker 1: the Minecraft off the iPads.
Speaker 2: So they ruined it. So I do have Okay, So
Speaker 2: when I mentioned the ice that reminded me. So I
Speaker 2: got inside scooped from about a billionaire family. I'm not
Speaker 2: going to name the family, but it's someone who works
Speaker 2: within the billionaire family told a friend and they're basically
Speaker 2: this person did not need to sign an NDA and
Speaker 2: then accidentally one time sent a text message talking shit
Speaker 2: about how crazy the family is to the matriarch of
Speaker 2: the family.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god. I'm
Speaker 1: And the matriarch said, that's fine.
Speaker 2: We're rich enough that no one would ever hear this
Speaker 2: or talk about it, and you could say whatever the
Speaker 2: fuck you want about us. We have so much money.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't even matter. It doesn't even matter. And she didn't care.
Speaker 2: She didn't care, she didn't fire running still working with
Speaker 2: this billionaire family. But the reason the ice reminded me
Speaker 2: of this story is because they only get their ice
Speaker 2: from Norway or like the Netherlands or something like that,
Speaker 2: and it's in circle like spheres, and it's shipped, and
Speaker 2: during pandemic, they were like contacting like the authorities to
Speaker 2: make sure the flights of their private ice was continued
Speaker 2: to be brought to the States. Oh my god. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they need a circle ice, which is a joke in
Speaker 2: this episode Rosebud of The Simpsons about like these guys
Speaker 2: in Antarctica they bring the ice to the Quickie Mart
Speaker 2: and they're like, we lost three men on this trip
Speaker 2: and a Pugo's well, if you can tell me a
Speaker 2: better way to make ice, I'd like to hear it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, even in pandemic they demanded the ice be
Speaker 2: flown in cross country for them.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, it must get to a point where
Speaker 1: you're so rich that you're honestly just challenging yourself to
Speaker 1: come up with.
Speaker 2: Ways to the kids don't flush their own toilets. Staff
Speaker 2: does it for them? What? And this person is inn
Speaker 2: like one of these children is in government, in a
Speaker 2: high position in government. Yeah my god, yeah, oh my
Speaker 2: fucking I mean, we know eat the rich for sure,
Speaker 2: but like, I just don't understand how we continuously have
Speaker 2: rich people being in charge of stuff when they're so
Speaker 2: disconnected from humanity or how things work. Like it's weird.
Speaker 2: I heard they're coming after meals on wheels. I'm like,
Speaker 2: what is wrong with you guys?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I'm sorry if you if you go to
Speaker 1: like if you're a billion like you could go to
Speaker 1: like the oscars, or you could go to whatever, So
Speaker 1: you have to flush the toilet at other places outside
Speaker 1: of your home.
Speaker 2: I hope they like know how to do it. I
Speaker 2: bet their's security does it when they're out and about
Speaker 2: who knows.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, who knows. So it must be a prison. Honestly,
Speaker 1: it must be a prison.
Speaker 2: We're watching White Love. We're thrilled. You know, I've never
Speaker 2: heard of carry Coon to save my fucking life, and
Speaker 2: this bitch I'm looking at photos of her in the
Speaker 2: nineties on red carpets. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, this bitch
Speaker 2: has been working for decades and I have She would
Speaker 2: always show up in my little movie games, and I
Speaker 2: would always be a little bit annoyed. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: know who that. I don't know who that'ss.
Speaker 1: The first time I discovered her was as Ben Affleck's
Speaker 1: sister in Gone Girl, and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: And I was like, who is it. She's like very
Speaker 1: chameleony like, her look is very chameleon like. She can
Speaker 1: really I think she changes how she And I was like,
Speaker 1: how did this random actress Carrie Kon get this part
Speaker 1: in this big movie? You know, because I've never heard
Speaker 1: of her before, but obviously she's been doing shit forever,
Speaker 1: and then the Leftovers brought her into a lot of
Speaker 1: people's consciousness, and then yeah, she's just been in and
Speaker 1: then Gilded Age now people love I mean I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was about to say we should get into Gilded Age.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh my god. Wait, I have to show you something.
Speaker 2: I have to grab it from my suitcase. I do
Speaker 2: not care. Someone in Minneapolis brought me a present that
Speaker 2: I have to show you. But also this is the
Speaker 2: person and that made the ceramic Martha Plimpton, Pinky Weed banker. Yes,
Speaker 2: O got it. Okay, give me one second, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Okay, I'm trying to imagine what this is.
Speaker 2: Okay, are you ready? Oh my god?
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, okay, wait, I mean I have to like
Speaker 1: take a screenshot of you holding it up so that
Speaker 1: we can put this on the Instagram. Okay, just for
Speaker 1: those of you that maybe don't follow us on Instagram
Speaker 1: because you hate us.
Speaker 2: It's literally is it a T shirt?
Speaker 1: Is it as a T shirt that has read me
Speaker 1: my Miranda writes, And it's got a picture of fucking
Speaker 1: Cynthia Nixon.
Speaker 2: As why am I thinking, Dottie whatever? It's story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the bottom oh my Janice Dory, Petra Bert, doctor
Speaker 1: Young and Tammy. Yes, the woman with the multiple personalities
Speaker 1: from the episode that Cynthia Nixon is it. And in
Speaker 1: parentheses it says Miranda, Miranda, I'm getting it framed. I'm
Speaker 1: putting it in a fucking but yeah, I'm not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got to put that in a light box or
Speaker 1: something or what our shot at whatever they're called.
Speaker 2: Well, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: You guys, honestly always come through with the wildest gifts.
Speaker 2: Well game. When Minneapolis has some of the best weed
Speaker 2: of head in the country, it's actually too strong. It's
Speaker 2: like too strong. It's like too Indica maybe leaning. I
Speaker 2: don't know it like would It's been knocking me the
Speaker 2: fuck out. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Wait, that's so funny because I feel like we had
Speaker 1: listeners at the last time we did when we did
Speaker 1: our show in Minneapolis.
Speaker 2: Oh really, Kara, Yeah, they gave us the weed we
Speaker 2: got too fucked up. And I'm on stage and I
Speaker 2: mentioned that they were in the front row of my
Speaker 2: stand up show. Oh my god, they go, we gave
Speaker 2: you the weed. I'm like in the glitter container. They go, yeah,
Speaker 2: And they.
Speaker 1: Were the ones that said, by the way, that weed
Speaker 1: in Minneapolis is really strong, and we were both like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, yeah, and then we walked.
Speaker 2: To a restaurant we had reservations at. They said do
Speaker 2: you have a reservation, and at the same time we went, no,
Speaker 2: do you don't remember that? Yeah? And then I got
Speaker 2: an email from Open Table being like, why didn't you
Speaker 2: guys make it? And I had to send a photo
Speaker 2: of the fucking carrots and I was like, we were there.
Speaker 1: Wait, yes, but this is oh my god, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: oh my god. Yeah, we were so high. We didn't
Speaker 1: we didn't. We went to a reservation. We made a
Speaker 1: reservation at a place, went to it and both said no,
Speaker 1: we don't have a reservation. And then Open Table contacted
Speaker 1: me and was like, why didn't you show up for
Speaker 1: your reservation. I'm like, it was me, how dare you?
Speaker 1: I made a plate of carrots. I was there, the bugs,
Speaker 1: bunny carrots. Wait, but you just said something that sparred opens.
Speaker 2: Oh. So I started watching this YouTube show. I mean,
Speaker 2: it has like four million subscribers. It's not new, but
Speaker 2: it's mystical kitchen or mythical but it's last Meals and
Speaker 2: it's just celebrities doing press and you know, talking about
Speaker 2: the last meal they would eat. But Trixy Mittel was
Speaker 2: just on and she picked Jimmy John's veggie sandwich for
Speaker 2: one of her options, a girl after my own, So
Speaker 2: that was exciting, Yeah, because that's all I ate in Minneapolis. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: I'm sure you guys have a lot to offer, but
Speaker 2: I just had a sandwich each day from the JJ. Well.
Speaker 1: I was actually just listening to Trixy's podcast and they
Speaker 1: were talking about how she's really sad her bar that
Speaker 1: she owned is closing, and how all these gay bars
Speaker 1: are closing, and like, you know, it's just very sad.
Speaker 1: And I was thinking that I'm going to be in Sarasota,
Speaker 1: Florida for the the finale of Drag Race, and I
Speaker 1: need any listeners who live in the Sarasota Bradenton area
Speaker 1: to let me know where I can watch drag Race
Speaker 1: because I googled it and I got a place called
Speaker 1: Purple Rhino that has no website and no social media presence,
Speaker 1: and I'm a little bit too scared, I think to
Speaker 1: just go there.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because that's a dark windows spot that are
Speaker 2: like sucking dick in the back. Yeah, oh god, yeah,
Speaker 2: purple rhino.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, that sounds like like the that
Speaker 1: sounds like the cock you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, not for you. Yeah, that's not a watch party's.
Speaker 1: I mean, Sarrisota is a really old It's like a
Speaker 1: really old place, like it's everybody's very old. So I
Speaker 1: would imagine that it's just not got a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: But I like, I would really I really love watching
Speaker 1: the finale in a bar with other people. So if
Speaker 1: anyone has the scoop, let me know.
Speaker 2: I mean, were we crying at the family episode or
Speaker 2: where are we at? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just like they're all they all have
Speaker 1: such supportive parents. It's so cool now Like there used
Speaker 1: to just be days where like it was your sister
Speaker 1: coming in or like someone you know, and now it's
Speaker 1: like like they're all so young that like their parents
Speaker 1: are mostly all cool and if they haven't always been cool,
Speaker 1: like they've become cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like but I was glad that, uh you know, I'm glad.
Speaker 1: Who who's going on? Who's moving on? I guess, but
Speaker 1: I guess someone's going to go home next week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's like a fun season, Like I'm into it.
Speaker 1: The pit stop's been fun, like everything's fine. Oh speaking,
Speaker 1: you know, I saw Peppermint recently, No big deal. Rgeous
Speaker 1: pep survive the Thickest and just got married. That's on
Speaker 1: the show. That's on the show.
Speaker 2: Oh my god? Why is it all over people? I
Speaker 2: think it's a promotional tool. But wouldn't it be weird
Speaker 2: that Bob wasn't in Peppermint's wedding. That's true, that would
Speaker 2: be weird, Yeah ashell was.
Speaker 1: But what I thought was weird was that it's on
Speaker 1: all of these It's probably I think people are being
Speaker 1: fooled because.
Speaker 2: It's on all of these. But the ACTA pages.
Speaker 1: That I follow, yeah, no, that's all These gay pages
Speaker 1: that I follow are like Peppermint Sealed, the tied the
Speaker 1: knot and Peppermin's playing Peppermint.
Speaker 2: So it's tough. It's tough. Okay, got it? Got it?
Speaker 2: I read character name Peppermint.
Speaker 1: I well, did I tell you about the huge dupe
Speaker 1: that I got really quickly before you tell your Peppermint story?
Speaker 2: You know how Yasser Lester like it?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Well? Yeah, he writes like fake posts. Someone in one
Speaker 1: of my Bravo groups that I'm on on Facebook took
Speaker 1: the one he posted about j Trump giving Jenshaw early parole,
Speaker 1: and she posted it in the mom group and I
Speaker 1: didn't even see that it had anything from yos and
Speaker 1: not the mom group, the Bravo group, and I didn't
Speaker 1: see that it had anything from Yoser on it.
Speaker 2: So I like put it in a group.
Speaker 1: Chat and they were like, are you referencing Yaser's fake post?
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my god, I'm so embarrassed. Now.
Speaker 2: April Fools got me on social media multiple times. I
Speaker 2: was this wasn't even as oh, because I was scrolling
Speaker 2: through things and being like I can't believe it. And
Speaker 2: at the end I was like, you fucking idiot, and
Speaker 2: I was like, I am an idiot. I don't get sarcasm,
Speaker 2: and I don't get April Fools. I will believe you
Speaker 2: because I don't know why you would lie to me.
Speaker 2: This happened in audiences when you're trying to do crowd
Speaker 2: work and then they'll say something and you go off
Speaker 2: of it and they're like I'm kidding. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: a lie is actually not a joke. Yeah, there's a
Speaker 2: little more skill involved, and that's why people, especially dating
Speaker 2: apps and stuff where they're like sarcasm, I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 2: good at sarcasm. I'm like, it's truly just lying. There's
Speaker 2: no skill involved in any capacity. And it's pretty embarrassing
Speaker 2: to be honest. I would say to for your humor
Speaker 2: profile to be sarcasm means you're just an idiot. Oh
Speaker 2: for it to just be sarcasm for sure, to write
Speaker 2: that on a dating app, I'm so sarcastic. I speak
Speaker 2: my only second language is sarcasm. But no audiences will
Speaker 2: be like, oh, I'm married. I'll be like, oh blah
Speaker 2: b and they're like, I'm kidding. It's the fun, that's
Speaker 2: not what's the game that? How would I know? I
Speaker 2: don't know you.
Speaker 1: There's hundreds of people sitting here like what what goal
Speaker 1: did you have?
Speaker 2: I just I really hate sarcasm. And I there's one
Speaker 2: guy at the seller, one comic who's always saying shit
Speaker 2: and I go off of it. He's like, it's I'm
Speaker 2: being sarcastic. I go, yeah, why would you be at
Speaker 2: the stame? I don't understand, and I think it's the
Speaker 2: Soviet in me, but it's truly like it bothers. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's so funny.
Speaker 1: Because my friend was like having her son evaluated and
Speaker 1: they were like, does he get sarcasm? And he's only four,
Speaker 1: so she was like not really, and then she goes,
Speaker 1: I was thinking about you because Rosie will say shit,
Speaker 1: like really, mom, another glass of wine. Like She'll like
Speaker 1: she's literally so sarcastic that I'm like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's funny. That's not a lie. I guess
Speaker 2: it's a developmental Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's sarcasm, even because you are getting
Speaker 1: more wine.
Speaker 2: It's not a lie, it's a comment. I just don't
Speaker 2: like when people think lying is humor. Yes, I agreed.
Speaker 2: Did you like that?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Okay, so you did not.
Speaker 1: I don't understand why you're doing this, like it just
Speaker 1: it really it drives me insane. Wait, so tell me
Speaker 1: about the Peppermint party. You were talking you were gonna saint.
Speaker 1: I saw one celebrity that I should.
Speaker 2: I just get so starstruck sometimes, like I actually because
Speaker 2: Quentin Tarantino speaking shows up in my YouTube shorts all
Speaker 2: the time, Like I just really like him, and so
Speaker 2: I'm always watching him talk about movies and stuff. And
Speaker 2: he I was sitting next him at the comedy store.
Speaker 2: I went up I killed it, and instead of going
Speaker 2: back and say with him, I left. And then I
Speaker 2: heard all night that he was talking with everyone drinking,
Speaker 2: and it kills me, like it kills me. I think
Speaker 2: about it all the time, Like how did I not
Speaker 2: then make Mikey Madison Mickey Madison or whatever was doing
Speaker 2: an interview, how like how hard she worked on that
Speaker 2: audition for once upon a time because it was like
Speaker 2: her one shot with Quinton And I'm like, I had
Speaker 2: my one shot and I did not take it, and
Speaker 2: it haunts me, and so I've been trying, Like when
Speaker 2: I saw Leslie Bibb and I was like, I have
Speaker 2: to take this moment, you know, and I fucking did
Speaker 2: it again. And Sandra Bernhardt was at Michelle's premiere, made
Speaker 2: eye contact, I smiled, and I just kept on talking
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: But she's like she's in tim. I would be intimidated
Speaker 1: to say something to her too, like she's a legend,
Speaker 1: and like what if she just told you to fuck off?
Speaker 2: Like I mean, I don't know, I think she like ma,
Speaker 2: I think I got to if I just went up
Speaker 2: to her and go, you know, I saw you at
Speaker 2: City Winery in twenty twelve, or like Chicago. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with you and every way like Roseanne, I
Speaker 2: love you and watch What Happens Live like King of Comedy,
Speaker 2: like this bitch is an icon and hopefully I'll be
Speaker 2: able to meet her again. But it is just like, God,
Speaker 2: you fucking fool. Why didn't I go up to her?
Speaker 2: I get that, but it's so funny, so Yancey who
Speaker 2: does hair? Like all these people kept coming up to
Speaker 2: me at the premiere talking about watch What Happens Live
Speaker 2: because that's what I was talking about on the set
Speaker 2: of Survival of the Thickest in July. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I tap'm the special. All I need to do is
Speaker 2: get on watch what Happens Live. And so everyone kept coming.
Speaker 1: Up to me and be liked it, and I was like,
Speaker 1: that was crazy. How like on brand I am at
Speaker 1: all times? You manifested it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wait, I forgot the Carrie Coon of it all the
Speaker 1: reason I wanted to bring it up. Look, you see
Speaker 1: what you were caught up when when the girls are
Speaker 1: like telling each other their flaws and they're like telling
Speaker 1: carry Kon's character like you have a shitty life because
Speaker 1: of you, Like stop blaming people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this reaction shot. I'm like, this is an actor, like.
Speaker 1: I am obsessed with I'm just like obsessed with her
Speaker 1: right now I can't And then like, how about that
Speaker 1: Terri Fine shot where she's jumping out the window. Everybody's
Speaker 1: like meming that shot of her, Like when she jumps
Speaker 1: out like the window and she's just hanging there for.
Speaker 2: A second, and she's like, Oh, that's not terrified because
Speaker 2: of our crimebacker. I was just like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: she's alone in the dark streets. My god, don't get
Speaker 2: in the cab, you know. I was like, yeah, fucking I.
Speaker 1: Was like, get out of there, get out of there,
Speaker 1: get out of there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but for next week. Oh so I did a
Speaker 2: show last night at Barney Grengrass, which is like a
Speaker 2: deli on the Upper West Side. Yeah, and they had
Speaker 2: lot He's delicious. But then someone was a purist. They're like,
Speaker 2: they're deep fried, you can't compare him. I'm like, no
Speaker 2: one's comparing them. I got You're you're having a fight
Speaker 2: in your own head that no one's a part of.
Speaker 2: Like I like my pan fried by my mom, and
Speaker 2: I like these deep fried ones at this place that
Speaker 2: are free with a bowl of sad. No, Barney green
Speaker 2: Grass is like a famous institution. Oh yeah, I believe
Speaker 2: that's where Tina Fey is having lunch with John Hamm
Speaker 2: in thirty Rock when he is the guy that's so
Speaker 2: hot that he doesn't know that people ever say no
Speaker 2: to you about stuff, and he goes, can I get
Speaker 2: a catfish poh boy and a grape soda or something
Speaker 2: like that, and they're like sure, because.
Speaker 1: He's so hot. Anyway, that's what I always think of it.
Speaker 1: But I've been to I've eaten at Barney green Grass.
Speaker 2: It's good. It's great. Yeah it was, and it was
Speaker 2: a new fucking show. Thrilled to be there. But the
Speaker 2: boy runs this show. Boy, he's twenty four, but it's
Speaker 2: a boy. Or we're like grown women. It's so funny.
Speaker 2: But everyone thinks I'm a lot younger than I am,
Speaker 2: because I remember when I told him how old I was,
Speaker 2: he was shocked. But I'm like, yea, I'm not an intern.
Speaker 2: I have a real life. Can you not tell him
Speaker 2: a grown woman? Okay? But anyways, his great friend, his
Speaker 2: really close friends godfather is the Gilgo Beach murderer. His
Speaker 2: good friend's godfather, Oh my god. Yeah, like they saw
Speaker 2: the news and I guess he called his zad and
Speaker 2: was like, did you are you seeing this?
Speaker 1: I think we had a listener who was like, I
Speaker 1: used to work with him, Yeah we did, we did, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember.
Speaker 2: That's so crazy.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a new Netflix series on him, and
Speaker 1: you know, I'm interested to watch it because they've they've
Speaker 1: caught him.
Speaker 2: So we covered it when he was on the LAMB.
Speaker 2: It's called it's called Gone Girls. It's called Gone Girls at.
Speaker 1: Gone Girls, okay, and if you're Gone Girls, the Long
Speaker 1: Island serial Killer and I believe Daydream Believer is the
Speaker 1: episode that we covered that case in, which is when
Speaker 1: we talked to Dallas Roberts.
Speaker 2: And now with like more and more, I keep thinking
Speaker 2: about that criminologist of like to decrease serial killing and murders,
Speaker 2: we need to be better to sex workers, we can't
Speaker 2: have homophobia, and we need to protect the elderly. And
Speaker 2: it's just like now, every time someone comes up, I
Speaker 2: think about well I always think about it, but he
Speaker 2: just made it so concise.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, well we should.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to get started. I mean, yeah, we
Speaker 2: barely talked about Luigi. But because it's sad. I mean
Speaker 2: I did donate to the legal fund. The I think
Speaker 2: a lot of people donated yesterday. I think they made
Speaker 2: like fifty grand or something yesterday, but I did donate
Speaker 2: to his legal fund. Yeah, the death penalties on the table.
Speaker 2: What's so crazy is that this Attorney general that that's
Speaker 2: her Instagram debut, like her first post ever is about
Speaker 2: this Luigi thing, and then I just saw it here.
Speaker 2: So they are there are going for the death penalty.
Speaker 2: It's fucked up. As Laura made a great statement, it's
Speaker 2: just sad, you know, it's just like sad. But it's
Speaker 2: just like, yes, I'm worried about that, but I just
Speaker 2: can't stop thinking about these people that were sent to
Speaker 2: El Salvador and there's no way to get them back.
Speaker 2: And the accidents not accidents, family people. Gangs are not
Speaker 2: getting like who cares? So you were in a gang
Speaker 2: at seventeen? What the fuck?
Speaker 1: I just read a story of a guy who escaped
Speaker 1: gangs because the gangs wanted him in El Salvador.
Speaker 2: He escaped to the US.
Speaker 1: He was he was put on a thing by a
Speaker 1: judge that said if he's ever deported for up with cause,
Speaker 1: it cannot be to El Salvador. He's in all Salvador
Speaker 1: like and that they they're you know, yeah, they don't
Speaker 1: care about people, don't the law is over like I mean,
Speaker 1: but I will also say with just to sprinkle a
Speaker 1: little bit of hope in that fucking judge in Wisconsin.
Speaker 3: One.
Speaker 2: But this is what I'm talking about. One.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want to know about the judges
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin. I want to be a dumb bitch like
Speaker 1: this is what happens every time, just getting just like
Speaker 1: it's just amble though simple.
Speaker 2: I'm pissed. I don't want to know about these people.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, but it is like symbolic that
Speaker 1: like people are not choosing, like the money, you know,
Speaker 1: like the money could not buy the election, which is
Speaker 1: really good.
Speaker 2: And also Cory Booker on the floor of the Senate.
Speaker 1: Yesterday for twenty five hours, pretty fucking impressive, broke a record,
Speaker 1: wore a diaper, I guess, I mean, how the fuck
Speaker 1: do you not pee for twenty five hours?
Speaker 2: I want to meditate and like prep like.
Speaker 1: Prep for it and just don't drink any fluid. So
Speaker 1: you're just like trying to a little bit because you're talking,
Speaker 1: how are you talking, Yeah, like how is your mouth
Speaker 1: making saliva?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know how he fucking did that.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's like people were saying, like, you know,
Speaker 1: the Democrats are not like united and it's very fractured
Speaker 1: and hopeless, and you know, I feel like that was
Speaker 1: a couple of nice things happened in two days. Now.
Speaker 2: I'm very happy about the super Court. And it was
Speaker 2: like a big percentage gap as well. No, I have
Speaker 2: a I know a gay man in his like who's
Speaker 2: about to be sixty or is he sixty five? Yeah? Whatever?
Speaker 2: I know a gay man in his sixties. Parents didn't
Speaker 2: speak to him for something like decades, didn't speak to
Speaker 2: him because he was gay, Like has lived here since
Speaker 2: the eighties, like truly trauma, trauma, but he's been there
Speaker 2: with his family. They're all so trumpy, they're praying for
Speaker 2: him all the time, like insane. And in his birthday
Speaker 2: card this year, his dad wrote, you were right. And
Speaker 2: so he's like in terms of that type of person
Speaker 2: who for decades has been a maniac in that and
Speaker 2: or a conservative whatever saying that he goes that's huge
Speaker 2: And it's mostly about the veterans. Yeah, it's about the
Speaker 2: veterans stuff and the VA and all the jobs and
Speaker 2: all of that, and so it's like if someone like
Speaker 2: that can turn but it's like it is a cult.
Speaker 1: It is slow. I don't know, but that is our hope.
Speaker 1: Is these people get so fucked over. I guess yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean in that have like the guns and nothing
Speaker 2: to lose.
Speaker 1: I'll definitely broach a conversation with my parents when he
Speaker 1: tries to run for a third term and be like,
Speaker 1: was this is this part? Is this?
Speaker 2: What you?
Speaker 1: This is it?
Speaker 2: Have you been sending them articles? What's their vibe? They're
Speaker 2: still happy. I don't get these people out. No, we
Speaker 2: don't speak about it at all, but I'll be.
Speaker 1: Interested to see because I have to stay at their
Speaker 1: house a little bit over the summer for like a
Speaker 1: little a little bit, and I really can't stand Fox News,
Speaker 1: but it is their house.
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I don't know how it's gonna work.
Speaker 2: I'm anticipating some friction.
Speaker 1: But I mean I'm you know, what I keep getting
Speaker 1: in my for you page is this guy who started
Speaker 1: a podcast and he just talks to his trumpy parents
Speaker 1: about like different shit. Casey's nodding you've seen this. It's
Speaker 1: called like the Hard Conversation or something like that, but
Speaker 1: it is it's like cult like like they true, it's
Speaker 1: like talking to cult people. I mean, it's like we
Speaker 1: just covered an episode about like young sex workers where
Speaker 1: they're just like where she's just like no.
Speaker 2: No, I love him, I love him, I love my love.
Speaker 1: It's like the same vibe, you know, Like he's this
Speaker 1: guy's like rationally telling his parents about like you know,
Speaker 1: where did you read that? And his mom will just
Speaker 1: be like the internet, you know, like she doesn't know
Speaker 1: where she's getting any sources. She doesn't know where she's
Speaker 1: finding anything.
Speaker 2: Like well, there's one woman I saw video she like
Speaker 2: works at NASA right, Like she's like a smart, rocket
Speaker 2: fucking scientist, and her parents never listen to her about
Speaker 2: climate nothing. And the one thing that made her dad
Speaker 2: finally realize it was because the insurance companies, yeah, are
Speaker 2: like switching their coverage and so if it fucks with
Speaker 2: the money, that means it's legit. Not your daughter who
Speaker 2: you raised, who's a rocket scientist. Yeah wait, did you
Speaker 2: tell me this already or someone else?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, But I feel like we've had this conversation before
Speaker 1: but it's possible we have but anyway, Yes, I was like,
Speaker 1: that's so crazy, Like he didn't believe it until he
Speaker 1: followed the money, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean these people. Yeah, I guess. But I
Speaker 2: don't want my parents' social security to get like I
Speaker 2: want him to suffer. But my perhaps like, we can't,
Speaker 2: I can't have it happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but let's just bask in the glory of this
Speaker 1: one judge in Wisconsin winning And let's get started with
Speaker 1: today's episode. But that's messed up live dot com. You
Speaker 1: can scroll down to Lisa's link and see her tour dates.
Speaker 2: She's on the road.
Speaker 1: You can buy our merch you can get our promo codes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: happy birthday, Rosie. Let's get started, all right. We are
Speaker 1: doing Exile season twenty, episode six.
Speaker 2: Taylor coded Wait why why? Why? She has a song
Speaker 2: called exile oh with Bonnie Bear. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't even know about that one. But twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen season twenty, Yeah I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 1: I remembered this one, but it was like watching it anew.
Speaker 1: I have never seen this once in my fucking life. Oh,
Speaker 1: it was a brand new one for you.
Speaker 2: I did not if I did because I've watched them
Speaker 2: at least all once, like it skipped my mind or
Speaker 2: I was folding something because I don't have a fucking
Speaker 2: memory of this.
Speaker 1: It exiled from your mind, yes, which they used later
Speaker 1: in the episode.
Speaker 2: Wow Wow, I kind of love when that happens. It
Speaker 2: feels like, you know, I didn't know how anything was
Speaker 2: gonna play out, and I was interested in learning more
Speaker 2: of the real thing, and so you all know, I
Speaker 2: had to read the New Yorker, Thank you.
Speaker 1: I knew vaguely what was up, but I forgot the
Speaker 1: full ending, so I was happy. Okay, So, a very
Speaker 1: common opening on the show. A girl is walking on
Speaker 1: a dark New York City street at night, and we
Speaker 1: can't tell if something bad has just happened to her
Speaker 1: or is about to tale as old as to it's raining,
Speaker 1: She's got a leather jacket over her head. She decides
Speaker 1: to go into a bar that's playing rock music. Cut
Speaker 1: to a more upscale establishment where Caresi and Stone are
Speaker 1: finishing up beers. And that sounds like a boring hang
Speaker 1: to me. I'm not gonna lie those two just chatting.
Speaker 1: That sounds boring. I don't want to I don't want
Speaker 1: to be like, down the bar from them, Caresey's got
Speaker 1: a bounce, and the hilarious Stone goes, I hope you've
Speaker 1: got your arc parked outside. It doesn't even look like
Speaker 1: it's raining that hard, honestly from the opening footage, and
Speaker 1: Cresey's like, oh, if I don't leave now, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get any airfull. And you know, Stone's like, what's her name?
Speaker 1: And her name is Gina because he's talking about his sister,
Speaker 1: And I guess Careese just bought a truck, and now
Speaker 1: his sister thinks he's you haul. Where's he parking a
Speaker 1: truck in Queens anyway? I guess there's more spots in
Speaker 1: Queen's anyway. Caresee goes, I love my sister, but I
Speaker 1: do sometimes wish she would just go away, which is
Speaker 1: a very, very fucking harsh thing to say about a sibling.
Speaker 1: And then he opens his mouth and jams his foot
Speaker 1: all the way into it. Because dus stone sister suffers
Speaker 1: from schizophrenia and is institutionalized, he would love to be
Speaker 1: lugging her shit around New York City and he can't.
Speaker 1: So he immediately realizes he's stupid, and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, man, He's like, can't sell your Scotch, Let's
Speaker 1: go get a burger, and Stone is like hard pass bro,
Speaker 1: get the hell out of here. So Coreesy pays for
Speaker 1: drinks and then he leaves, and then a girl at
Speaker 1: the bar starts I fucking Stone, and you know, he
Speaker 1: kind of like looks down and we don't know what's
Speaker 1: going to happen. Back to our gal from earlier, she's
Speaker 1: in the bathroom at this slut. He's what I think
Speaker 1: Stone is a slut. Yeah, yeah, he's and he gets
Speaker 1: out yeah yeah yeah, and he's doing it very robotically
Speaker 1: with no emotion I think as well.
Speaker 2: So anyway, yeah, our gal's in the bathroom.
Speaker 1: She's it's one of the bathrooms like at More. You
Speaker 1: don't really see this at regular bars. Is usually at
Speaker 1: like when I go to drag shows, they always have
Speaker 1: an attendant at like bigger clubs and stuff, and you
Speaker 1: know where they've got mints and hairspray and and this
Speaker 1: girl's like drying her hair in the hair dryer. She's
Speaker 1: applying a little scent. She puts on a lipstick. She
Speaker 1: looks in the mirror and she goes, it's as good
Speaker 1: as it's gonna get and I'm like, okay, you seem fun.
Speaker 1: And then back in the bar, these two dudes are
Speaker 1: playing darts and they are talking about pagasms, and I
Speaker 1: don't even know what the fuck they're talking about, so
Speaker 1: I'm obviously googling it. But you know, this show tries
Speaker 1: to talk about what's being talked about in the moment,
Speaker 1: and so this came out end of twenty eighteen. I
Speaker 1: am reading that twenty eighteen. Twenty nineteen, there started to
Speaker 1: be a bunch of stuff about peagasms making the round,
Speaker 1: and it's where women hold their pea on purpose to
Speaker 1: like let it go and they have an orgasm because
Speaker 1: it feels so good. And like this other doctor, this
Speaker 1: doctor I read a quote from, was like, yeah, obviously,
Speaker 1: like women's anatomy, if your bladder is full, it could
Speaker 1: put pressure on other parts of your body, which can
Speaker 1: include the glitterists.
Speaker 2: But other women were saying.
Speaker 1: No, we don't actually do We don't hold our pee
Speaker 1: because we want to have an orgasm. We like, we
Speaker 1: have to hold our p for a variety of reasons,
Speaker 1: and then this happens and we're worried something's wrong with us.
Speaker 1: So it's like doctors are telling them no, like this
Speaker 1: is normal. But also they're very much recommending do not
Speaker 1: do this on purpose. Do not hold your pee in
Speaker 1: to have an orgasm. You will get some kind of
Speaker 1: fucking uti. I'm sure that is a kink.
Speaker 2: Is there are people who want to watch people have
Speaker 2: to go pee but can't find the bathroom. It's like,
Speaker 2: that's like a kink. Yeah, it's like watching someone really
Speaker 2: have to pee but not be able to. Oh, God,
Speaker 2: like stressful searching for it. Oh that's my opposite. I'm
Speaker 2: the opposite of that kink. I'm like find it, like,
Speaker 2: come here, pee in this cup.
Speaker 1: Like anyway, Guy one is telling Guy to all about pagasms,
Speaker 1: and Guy To like can't believe it. So Guy one
Speaker 1: pulls bathroom girl over and is like, hey, sweetheart, tell
Speaker 1: him I'm right. He doesn't even tell him what they're
Speaker 1: talking about. He just goes say I'm right, And so
Speaker 1: she uses the opportunity to get a shot of tequila
Speaker 1: no salt out of him, which he obliges. So then
Speaker 1: she goes yes, and then number two walks away and
Speaker 1: we can see that girly and guy number one are
Speaker 1: kind of vibing all right. Cut to Stone speaking of
Speaker 1: vibing making out in a stopped cab in the back,
Speaker 1: like just a scandalo, and he's like, you know, they're
Speaker 1: obviously in front of her place, and he goes, I
Speaker 1: can't and she goes, I know you're old, but you'd
Speaker 1: only have to climb two flights, which is such a
Speaker 1: fucking read for a guy that you're actively trying to fuck,
Speaker 1: Like it's really a read. And then he goes, I'm
Speaker 1: just using you, and he's like to forget and she's like, cool,
Speaker 1: I'm using you for sex, Like let's go. Like you know,
Speaker 1: it's like they're from such different generations, these two people.
Speaker 1: Like he's like, I'm not I can't marry you. She's like,
Speaker 1: I just want to fuck. Get up to my house.
Speaker 1: And then we don't know if he's going to get
Speaker 1: out of the cab because she gets out and she's
Speaker 1: like are you coming, and we just see him like paused,
Speaker 1: and we don't know. Hard cut to the girl from
Speaker 1: the bar on a stretcher with a head wound. She's
Speaker 1: in an alley by several dumpsters and it's an morning.
Speaker 1: This night at the bar did not go great for her.
Speaker 1: Carese is running point. He's telling the unis to Canvas
Speaker 1: and then Benson shows up. As we talked about last
Speaker 1: week and her workout gear. She's like, I was with
Speaker 1: my trainer when the call came in. I'm like, do
Speaker 1: you still pay for the session? Do you just finish
Speaker 1: up the last few reps? Or you run right there?
Speaker 2: Like I don't know.
Speaker 1: Trainers are expensive. Live like she just always has her
Speaker 1: phone on. She's always so available. She cares about the
Speaker 1: job so much. Anyway, Carise goes, I was with a
Speaker 1: bay of claw, That's what I mean. Like, this man
Speaker 1: is gonna have a heart attack before he's fifty years old,
Speaker 1: like the way like Rudnick told him, you cannot keep
Speaker 1: eating like this.
Speaker 2: You know, every time we see him, he's like, can
Speaker 2: I got an egg and cheese on a bit?
Speaker 1: You know, Like he's just he's he's really like out there,
Speaker 1: but he is a thin person. I just would love
Speaker 1: to see what his cholesterol says. Caresie says, Oh Vick
Speaker 1: is still breathing, but low. Pul s dilated pupil the
Speaker 1: cleaning crew from the bar founder They found her leather
Speaker 1: jacket and a bloody some kind of like bloody pipe
Speaker 1: or something near the body. But no purse, no idea,
Speaker 1: and it turns out no panties. And then Benson our
Speaker 1: label Queen goes, buddy left her Prada, and we know
Speaker 1: Benson knows labels, but like I'm like through the evidence bag,
Speaker 1: She's like, that's designer. Like I can tell, like she
Speaker 1: could just see that it's Prada, and so credits. Okay,
Speaker 1: now we're gonna walk and talk with the er doc.
Speaker 1: It's the usual vaginal trauma. The kit tested positive for semen.
Speaker 1: Blood alcohol was point one five plus she had THHC
Speaker 1: in her system, so the doctor doubts she could consent.
Speaker 1: CARIESI and Benson go in to talk to her and
Speaker 1: she has a gnarly gash on her head that looks
Speaker 1: like stitched up or butterfly stitched up.
Speaker 2: I really can't tell, and she says she has. She says, yeah,
Speaker 2: really is the word? Is the word for it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? It looks bad, yuck, And then she goes, I
Speaker 1: feel like a herd of elephants did a two step
Speaker 1: on my head. And it's just such a weird turn
Speaker 1: of phrase. I don't I've never heard that. It just
Speaker 1: seems like a weird thing to just throw out when
Speaker 1: you've just been attacked and your head is pounding and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, elephants did the two step? Anyway, She
Speaker 1: admits she drank a lot. Her name is Grace. She
Speaker 1: tells live how she went to the bar to wait
Speaker 1: out the rain and some guys bought her a few
Speaker 1: drinks and that's all she remembers. She thinks one of
Speaker 1: them was Doug or Dave, and she's like, this is
Speaker 1: so unlike me, and they tell her, well, you also,
Speaker 1: we think you may have been sexually assaulted, and she's
Speaker 1: obviously very upset. Like I thought the actress in this
Speaker 1: moment like Cat did a really great jot. Her face
Speaker 1: was like so like just changed when she hears that part,
Speaker 1: and then liv tells her you're gonna get through this.
Speaker 2: Can we call anyone for you? And she goes, oh
Speaker 2: my god, you guessed it.
Speaker 1: Tommy another we have got, Like Okay, when a listener
Speaker 1: first reached out to us at the beginning of this
Speaker 1: podcast and was like, there are so many characters or
Speaker 1: reference people referenced on SPU named Tommy, I was like, sure, okay, maybe,
Speaker 1: and now it's like undeniable, Like they use the name
Speaker 1: so much it feels like a joke.
Speaker 2: We have to like get to the bottom of it.
Speaker 2: I need to talk to Warren Light or somebody and
Speaker 2: be like, what is what the Tommy?
Speaker 1: It is so many people, and please resend me that
Speaker 1: list if you're the listener that keeps the list, and
Speaker 1: hopefully you have this one on your list, because this
Speaker 1: girl's got a boyfriend named Tommy and that's her boyfriend.
Speaker 1: But she doesn't want to call she doesn't want them
Speaker 1: to call him. She's like, let me tell him, and
Speaker 1: so Cariese's gonna drive her home now. Finn is at
Speaker 1: the Black Bunny Bar showing her picture to a bartender
Speaker 1: and he remembers for the bartender and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: she Waltz is in here and her designer duds with
Speaker 1: no intention of paying for a drink. And it's just like,
Speaker 1: first of all, no one says designer duds. Who's like
Speaker 1: under seventy five. I think that's such a weird like duds,
Speaker 1: Like I'm never like I love your duds, Like no
Speaker 1: one says that. But also, why does this make men
Speaker 1: so mad when women get free drinks? Like you're the bartender,
Speaker 1: like let people buy drinks for women, Like that's good
Speaker 1: for your business and your tips. It's like, do you
Speaker 1: go to Vegas and get pissed when like a guy
Speaker 1: next to you is just like winning, I don't think.
Speaker 2: But they also don't do Like we talk about this
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 1: It's not like they're like, Wow, these girls look thirsty
Speaker 1: like they want something in return.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, and then.
Speaker 1: You're let your parch babe, we gotta get you of
Speaker 1: a ca soda. Like they don't actually care. So it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes the deal doesn't work out in your favor, and
Speaker 1: that's what they're mad about fucking control for They're like, well.
Speaker 2: I bought you this, so do this, Like yeah, they
Speaker 2: just don't. I can't. I can't. Just get back to
Speaker 2: the get back to the rape, get back to the case.
Speaker 1: He admits that he flirted like that, she flirted with
Speaker 1: him for a shot and he gave it to her,
Speaker 1: so it's like, oh, you're just like mad that she
Speaker 1: wasn't like interested in you for real, but you're a
Speaker 1: bartender anyway. He knew that who she was talking to,
Speaker 1: and he goes, yeah, she was talking to Drew, He's
Speaker 1: my dealer, And Finn's like, are you dumb? Like you
Speaker 1: remember I said I was a cop, right, And then
Speaker 1: the bartender goes, relax, bro, it's all legal. It's edible marijuana,
Speaker 1: and it's just so funny. It's like twenty eighteen. He
Speaker 1: shows Finn what look like weed lollipops, as if a
Speaker 1: Finn hasn't heard of edible weed, and also we had
Speaker 1: gummies in twenty eighteen. Like, I'm just confused, Like where
Speaker 1: the lollipop is? Have you ever had a weed lollipop?
Speaker 2: Are they good?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: They're not. It's not real. This was before weed was
Speaker 2: legal in New York. I feel and they would have
Speaker 2: these trucks and they're not real, and I would be
Speaker 2: get I would like, I think I got swindled when
Speaker 2: I was young, and then I would never do it again. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: I just don't feel like they're real. But I do
Speaker 2: remember this lollipop, the vans of it all, like I
Speaker 2: do remember that. Oh okay, so this was a thing,
Speaker 2: all right, got it? Yeah? When she gets to the van,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, yeah, I know these people. I
Speaker 2: don't know how they get away with it. I feel
Speaker 2: like I was tricked into not effective lollipops for a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I can't. I left New York right because
Speaker 1: I bet does not respect this guy. Yeah, yeah, I left.
Speaker 1: I left New York like a few years before legalization.
Speaker 1: I remember coming back and being like, what is with
Speaker 1: all these weed shops that like don't actually sell weed?
Speaker 1: This is so weird. But I don't remember the trucks.
Speaker 1: I just remember like actual shops, Like I don't get it.
Speaker 1: But now there's now I guess they were just setting
Speaker 1: the stage because now it's legal. Anyway, he shows these
Speaker 1: dumb fucking lollipops, and yeah, Finn's not impressed, and he's like,
Speaker 1: where's I needed to know where Drew Parks's truck. So
Speaker 1: Drew is guy number two from the bar, the guy
Speaker 1: who walked away after the piagasm bet or whatever. And
Speaker 1: he's got rice, Crispy treats, brownies, lollipops, everything's organic.
Speaker 2: I grow it in my backyard.
Speaker 1: I'm like in New York City, where it's like freezing
Speaker 1: half the year, you grow weed in your backyard. Anyway,
Speaker 1: he sells it out of a food truck called weed World,
Speaker 1: which Liza.
Speaker 2: Is telling me is a scam, and I'm even more
Speaker 2: mad at him than it was before.
Speaker 1: Finn's like, yeah, give me whatever you gave Grace Walker
Speaker 1: before you raped her. And he's like extremely calm for
Speaker 1: a man who's just been accused of rape. He's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the weed, but he's very chill.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, when I left, she was just she
Speaker 1: was still standing and drinking with my buddy Silas, who
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna sell out right now, Like I mean
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I left them and Silas was with her.
Speaker 2: He's like, I have an Uber receipt.
Speaker 1: And it is weird how sometimes they call it Uber
Speaker 1: and sometimes they call it quick Ride or whatever, like yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes they get the like the ability to use Uber.
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe they were still in contract to
Speaker 1: mention it.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe it can't be in the crime because you're thinking,
Speaker 2: when Maddie got taken, this is just like, oh, we
Speaker 2: we have a fun ride, you know how Like villains
Speaker 2: can't use mac Oh is that true? Yeah, villains can't
Speaker 2: use iPhones and it always has to be one hundred
Speaker 2: percent charged, like if you want to use an iPhone
Speaker 2: and maybe for Uber, like Maddie went missing in a
Speaker 2: like a driver can't be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it can't be used in the crime, but like
Speaker 1: ged it was like yeah, in quick Ride, it was
Speaker 1: like there were guys like trafficking using quick D Yeah,
Speaker 1: obviously Uber is not going to allow that you're right
Speaker 1: that I think this.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, here, I just went home. I have evidence.
Speaker 2: I have my receipt and like I was, I think
Speaker 2: that's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uber's like we're the number one app for proving
Speaker 1: that you didn't rape somebody. Just show your receipt. The
Speaker 1: guy goes the driver will confirm that I was alone,
Speaker 1: and so Finn's like, okay, give me Silas's info. So
Speaker 1: now Grace is getting a ride home from Careesy and
Speaker 1: he jokes about like wait till you get my bill,
Speaker 1: and she believes it for a second and it's like cresy.
Speaker 1: Maybe not like the jokingness with like the rape victim.
Speaker 1: And she's like, sorry, my head's still not on straight.
Speaker 1: And he goes, yeah, you're gonna have a hell of
Speaker 1: a lump, and it's like it is an assault injury.
Speaker 1: I think you need to like tone it down. And
Speaker 1: then she says, could you just pull past my building
Speaker 1: a little bit? My doorman is like really nosy, and
Speaker 1: she asks, do you just meet a lot of like
Speaker 1: victims like me, and he's like, way too many, and
Speaker 1: she's like, how do their boyfriends usually take it? She
Speaker 1: suggests like maybe I don't tell Tommy the other stuff,
Speaker 1: and Caresey's like, that's totally your choice, but support from
Speaker 1: a loved one is always good. And I can get
Speaker 1: you a wreck for a therapist and she's like, no,
Speaker 1: thank you. Like everything Caresey offers this episode, people are
Speaker 1: like pass thank you. And he also says, you know,
Speaker 1: I can call your boss so you can take work
Speaker 1: off tomorrow, and she's like, I'm in between jobs. Tommy
Speaker 1: pays the bill and bills and he doesn't care that
Speaker 1: I don't really contribute financially. I do medical research. And
Speaker 1: he's a thoracic surgeon, which I had to look up
Speaker 1: also because I wasn't actually positive.
Speaker 2: But it's any.
Speaker 1: Surgical procedures on the organs and the structures within the
Speaker 1: chest cavity known as the thorax like heart, lungs, esophagus,
Speaker 1: trachy a, diaphragm.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: She gets out to go meet her thoracic surgeon boyfriend
Speaker 1: and maybe not tell him what happened to her and
Speaker 1: CARESI gets a call.
Speaker 2: It's like so upsetting.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And now Caresian Finn are at and you
Speaker 1: also have to consider that, I bet in real life
Speaker 1: the cops are not as like we'll give you a
Speaker 1: ride home, and we'll like, I'll give you a therapist
Speaker 1: recommendation and I can call your work and do like
Speaker 1: you know, like I don't know. Sometimes I feel like
Speaker 1: that's just added stuff for the show. And you know,
Speaker 1: but now Caresium Finn are at this guy Silas's office
Speaker 1: and he's like, what the fuck.
Speaker 2: Grace is the one that attacked me. She was like
Speaker 2: wonder woman on bath salts.
Speaker 1: And he says he whacked her with the steel rod
Speaker 1: in self defense when she went after his money clip.
Speaker 2: And he's like, they're like, well what about her wallet?
Speaker 1: And he's like, she never had a wallet, she's broke,
Speaker 1: and the panties didn't disappear. He goes like any good slut,
Speaker 1: she wasn't wearing any He's gross, Like, I think he
Speaker 1: might be innocent of what happened, but he's a gross person.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He also he's talking calling girls sweetheart at bars and
Speaker 1: talking about pigasms.
Speaker 2: He's a he's a fucker.
Speaker 1: Uh So he admits that they had sex but he
Speaker 1: said it was consensual, and he goes, if you don't mind,
Speaker 1: I have work to do, and Iced Tea goes, if
Speaker 1: you don't mind, turn your ass around, which again stamp
Speaker 1: it on a T shirt, put it in the book.
Speaker 1: And then the guy goes, Harvey book, the Book of
Speaker 1: Icy Quotes. It's got to be a coffee table book.
Speaker 1: We should write it. I mean, they're just so good.
Speaker 1: It's so good I read I want to write it.
Speaker 2: Let's do that, just like.
Speaker 1: Tasteful photos of Finn with the quotes underneath would be
Speaker 1: so great black and whites. So anyway, as they're cuffing,
Speaker 1: like my funny, Yeah, they're cuffing this fucking fuck boy.
Speaker 1: He goes, Harvey can go to hell and they're like
Speaker 1: what And he's like me too, this time's up that
Speaker 1: you can't even pick up a broad at a bar
Speaker 1: these days. And it's like you are the problem, sir,
Speaker 1: Like you just you're like fighting for your right to
Speaker 1: call women broads, you know, And Finn deadpans and goes,
Speaker 1: what is the world coming to? And so now we're
Speaker 1: walking Silas Perry into the precinct and Live wants him
Speaker 1: in an interrogation room. And Live wants Grace to come
Speaker 1: in there for a lineup, but oops, the number she
Speaker 1: gave them is to a sorority house at Spence College,
Speaker 1: and they don't know they don't know her. No one
Speaker 1: there knows her name, like the name Grace Walker, and
Speaker 1: that's weird. Cariese's like, we probably just wrote it down wrong.
Speaker 1: I'll go back to her building. So he goes over
Speaker 1: there and the doorman where he dropped her off does
Speaker 1: not know anyone named Grace Walker and he's never seen
Speaker 1: this girl. And he's like, her boyfriend's Tommy, a thoracic surgeon,
Speaker 1: and the guy's like, nope, I got allergists, podiatrists, no
Speaker 1: thorastic surgeon, and none of them are named Tommy. And
Speaker 1: Carisy asked to see the security footage back to the
Speaker 1: Pigasm juchebag Silas He's like the bar was closing, Grace
Speaker 1: wanted to keep partying. He keeps insisting that she attacked him.
Speaker 1: He didn't call the cops because he's married and they
Speaker 1: had sex.
Speaker 2: It was not a big deal.
Speaker 1: And then Stone and Benson are watching through the glass.
Speaker 1: Carisi enters with the bad news that not only is
Speaker 1: the number fake, but so was the address. The security
Speaker 1: footage shows Grace going into the building after Carisy drops
Speaker 1: drop and then walking right back out. So Liv wants
Speaker 1: to see if Silas might have any clues to find Grace,
Speaker 1: like did she say anything about herself when they were chatting.
Speaker 1: Liv goes in there and this guy is rude as fuck.
Speaker 1: He goes, who are you and she's like, I'm the
Speaker 1: fucking boss, dude, and he's like, oh, someone with a brain. Finally,
Speaker 1: and she asks him like, well, what did you two
Speaker 1: talk about the whole night you were partying, And he goes,
Speaker 1: I told her I love the new Kanye album. I
Speaker 1: mean the writers are being so shape, like they are
Speaker 1: painting this man a perfect portrait of who this man is, right,
Speaker 1: I told her I loved the new Kanye album and
Speaker 1: I wrote in my notes I would expect nothing less
Speaker 1: in caps. And she said she didn't know he was
Speaker 1: married to Kim Kay, which he thought was weird, and
Speaker 1: that is weird for you to not know that two
Speaker 1: of the most famous people in the world.
Speaker 2: Are married when you're like a young woman. And so
Speaker 2: finally he.
Speaker 1: Tells her she kept talking about pancakes at a diner
Speaker 1: on one hundred and fifty fifth and Broadway, and I
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck about the pancakes, like he was like,
Speaker 1: I was just trying to get in her pants, Like
Speaker 1: this guy is a piece of shit, and Lives trying
Speaker 1: to turn the heat up on him, and he's like,
Speaker 1: your wife's gonna call and Rollins is gonna answer, and
Speaker 1: he's like, I don't know anything else about the fucking
Speaker 1: punk pancakes. I was just trying to fuck her. And
Speaker 1: then Lives like throw him in the cage and he shocked.
Speaker 1: He's like, I thought I was getting out of here,
Speaker 1: but I like that they're just gonna make him twist.
Speaker 2: For a little bit.
Speaker 1: Caresa Am Finn are now up at one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty fifth Street, and guess what they can't find it.
Speaker 2: That's wildly like respectful to live though once she said
Speaker 2: she was in charge. Yeah, he wasn't, like you like,
Speaker 2: he doesn't say that a woman run the place. Yeah
Speaker 2: he didn't. He was like like, ah, finally, like you know,
Speaker 2: it was kind of outside his character that we've you know, grown. Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: that's true, that's true.
Speaker 1: Maybe his mom worked Careasy and Finn are now at
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty fifth on Broadway, and there's not
Speaker 1: a pancake in sight, but caresy, I want a pancake
Speaker 1: now we I know a delicious pancake. Careasy clocks a
Speaker 1: homeless shelter called Walker House, and that is the last
Speaker 1: name that Grace has been using.
Speaker 2: She's been saying, also a famous pancake house in Chicago.
Speaker 2: Well in Evanston walker Houses. Yeah, it's Walker Brothers. Oh
Speaker 2: that's I bet you that's connected.
Speaker 1: Don't you think that that's like the writer is from
Speaker 1: Chicago or something that makes sense, Yeah, and like like
Speaker 1: just a little pancake like Easter egg.
Speaker 2: But so they go to Walker House.
Speaker 1: The guy there recognizes Grace, but he's telling about how
Speaker 1: the Walker family are like these tech billionaires, and they
Speaker 1: immediately assume that this girl, because she's like what and
Speaker 1: blonde and pretty and well spoken, I guess is a
Speaker 1: member of this billionaire family. And they're like, he goes, no, no,
Speaker 1: Grace comes here twice a day, but she's not related
Speaker 1: to the tech billionaires who sponsored this place. She's actually unhoused.
Speaker 1: And they're like, what, like, Cariese's never had his mind
Speaker 1: blown as hard as he is that this girl does
Speaker 1: not have a place to live, and they tell him
Speaker 1: that she was sexually assaulted, and the guy goes, yeah, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: that's par for the course. Over ninety percent of homeless
Speaker 1: women have experienced some form of sexual assault, and Grace
Speaker 1: is what they call a rough sleeper, which means she
Speaker 1: prefers the street to the shelter. She'd rather be out
Speaker 1: on the street than in the shelters. Caresy cannot wrap
Speaker 1: his mind around Grace being homeless, and the guy's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: because she has good hygiene, like she showers here, she
Speaker 1: showers at the why, she takes care of herself, and
Speaker 1: she usually comes in for lunch and sits with Tommy.
Speaker 1: And so they point out Tommy. They're like, he's the
Speaker 1: guy in the camo jacket. When they announce themselves to Tommy,
Speaker 1: he obviously freaks out immediately because I don't think you
Speaker 1: should like walk toward a guy going Tommy where the
Speaker 1: cops like, you know, I mean, the guy probably has
Speaker 1: like Tommy.
Speaker 2: I hate Tommy. Yeah, well I hate Tommy too, but
Speaker 2: if you want to talk to him, you shouldn't. You
Speaker 2: shouldn't go in hot like that.
Speaker 1: So he drops his tray, food splatters, on Finn's like
Speaker 1: shoes and clothes and he's like, oh, hell no, which
Speaker 1: I love too.
Speaker 2: I love when Finn gets mad that his fit gets ruined.
Speaker 1: And then Tommy makes a run for it, but some
Speaker 1: old guy with a cane trips his ass and they
Speaker 1: get him. So now they've got Tommy in interrogation but
Speaker 1: actually in woodroom lines, and they ask him about his girlfriend,
Speaker 1: Grace and he's like, that is not my girlfriend. We
Speaker 1: have some meals together, but that's it, and he's like,
Speaker 1: Grace is a cuckoo bird, and then they bring up
Speaker 1: the sexual assault and he starts to feel bad. He's like, wait, what,
Speaker 1: Like now he feels bad that he just called her
Speaker 1: cuckoo and he says, people like us are parapatetic and
Speaker 1: Grace taught him that word, which that word means people
Speaker 1: that travel around and are like nomadic, and he doesn't
Speaker 1: know where Grace is though, he says so. Rollins goes
Speaker 1: into Live's office and starts rat off some statistics like
Speaker 1: seventy six thousand homeless people in New York City, drug addicts,
Speaker 1: mensally ill people, domestic violence victims, veterans, and Rollins is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but she used the word parapatetic. What's going on there?
Speaker 1: And she thinks Grace gave them the sorority house number
Speaker 1: because maybe she went to Spence, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: Spence is a private school in New York City but
Speaker 1: not a college, so I guess they just borrowed it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like there was a college. It gives me like
Speaker 2: not brand Ice but like bar Yeah, maybe maybe Barnard
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I don't know if it's all girls, but
Speaker 1: like they are like give me that by a very
Speaker 1: beautiful like you know, but and Barnard is like part
Speaker 1: of Columbia and like you can take classes there, so
Speaker 1: it's not like fully fully all girls, I guess, but
Speaker 1: that's where Michelle Collins went actually, but Spence is a
Speaker 1: high school. Yeah, it's like high a private high school anyway.
Speaker 1: So Live picks up the phone at the sorority Finn
Speaker 1: and CREESI are flashing Grace's picture and they're talking.
Speaker 2: The girl Stabler's Catholic schools. You're private schools. You're the
Speaker 2: Stabler of private schools.
Speaker 1: I just private knew a girl in high school who
Speaker 1: left high school, left our high school to go to Spence,
Speaker 1: So I'm just I know yeah, I know something because
Speaker 1: I'm also camp and like my cousins that grew up
Speaker 1: in the city, I know some of the private schools,
Speaker 1: but I'm not.
Speaker 2: I don't I couldn't tell you where the Catholic schools are.
Speaker 1: But they're showing this blonde girl and she goes, oh,
Speaker 1: that's Sophie Simmons, Like we pledged together the sorority three
Speaker 1: years ago, and she's like, Sophie was my first friend
Speaker 1: and then one day we had coffee and I never
Speaker 1: saw her again. And they're like what, and she's like, well,
Speaker 1: we at first we thought she was just sleeping at
Speaker 1: this guy's house that she was hooking up with. But
Speaker 1: after a week we realized she was missing and we
Speaker 1: called We told the school, they called her parents and
Speaker 1: then the girl asks like, if you find Sophie, will
Speaker 1: you tell her I love her and tell her I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: And like so back at the precinct, they're watching a
Speaker 1: video of Sophie maybe that this girl gave them, and
Speaker 1: it's like her friend is begging her like.
Speaker 2: Let's go to this party. Let's go.
Speaker 1: Everybody's going, and she goes, not this future doctor and
Speaker 1: they're like, come on, Paul's gonna be there, and she's like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm in let me get dressed, and then like you know,
Speaker 1: she's they've convinced her to go out. So now Stone
Speaker 1: can't believe looking at the photo of her from the
Speaker 1: sorority that it's the same girl. I think she still
Speaker 1: looks pretty pretty as the street version of herself, Like
Speaker 1: she does not like, you know, I don't think that
Speaker 1: street round. I just I don't buy that.
Speaker 2: So because I didn't not know the next.
Speaker 1: Word, I did not just a little snack, guys, Okay,
Speaker 1: so in our pantake, yeah see yeah, like okay, that's
Speaker 1: the thing.
Speaker 2: You guys aren't paying for people to eat. But that's
Speaker 2: what we talked about last week.
Speaker 1: You're not paying for people to eat, but then you're
Speaker 1: gonna cut their hand off if they steal. All right,
Speaker 1: So in three years, what's going on with this girl?
Speaker 1: She never picked up a phone to ask for help.
Speaker 1: Stone asks, did she ever call her parents? Her parents
Speaker 1: live in Rye, which is a suburb of New York
Speaker 1: that's probably forty minutes outside the city. They're on their way.
Speaker 1: Amanda brings up an app that helps track the unhoused,
Speaker 1: called street Life NYC. I do not know if this
Speaker 1: is a real thing, but it helps families locate loved ones.
Speaker 1: And she posted Grace's photo with a hashtag and now
Speaker 1: is hoping for the best. I guess you would download
Speaker 1: Street Life NYC and go, just a homeless person looks
Speaker 1: like the person you're looking for. Is that how it
Speaker 1: would work? Like it's a misconnections kind of for on
Speaker 1: house people. I don't know anyway, just through a whole
Speaker 1: thing in my brain, I go, I wonder who would
Speaker 1: use that?
Speaker 2: Should I help find people?
Speaker 1: Know?
Speaker 2: This is probably for people that know a missing person.
Speaker 2: I'm not getting involved.
Speaker 1: I thought all of that Rollins is literally like they
Speaker 1: just have to make rollins the tech guru all the time,
Speaker 1: so she knows about the app. So Stone is like
Speaker 1: she knows about MMA gambling the South. Stone is upset.
Speaker 1: This whole storyline is upsetting Stone and lives like, what's up, dude.
Speaker 1: She gets it out of him. He's like, my sister
Speaker 1: went missing once before they institutionalized her and she endsed
Speaker 1: up on the street with a junkie doing meth. So
Speaker 1: Stone says it's the only time he ever saw his
Speaker 1: father cry. And don't forget his dad was the Ada
Speaker 1: on original recipe like the first four seasons eighty eight
Speaker 1: episodes Ben Stone and so if you have that man's
Speaker 1: face in your head, picture him crying over his daughter
Speaker 1: being missing and on the street doing drugs. Sophie's parents
Speaker 1: arrive and the last time they saw her was Freshman
Speaker 1: parents weekend. Sophie's dad brought her new step mom and
Speaker 1: Sophie was pissed because her mom died when she was five.
Speaker 1: And I don't think she's warmed up to the new
Speaker 1: stepmom yet. But after that weekend, she never texted, emailed
Speaker 1: or called. They hung up posters, they hired pis nothing
Speaker 1: and it is It's like, is there a missing person's
Speaker 1: case in the NYPD? I don't know, not that they
Speaker 1: would necessarily owe do something, but they do kind of
Speaker 1: get it up for a fucking white woman that's missing
Speaker 1: from the suburbs.
Speaker 2: They do try. Uh, Dad asks does she still hate me?
Speaker 1: And lives like, dude, I don't want to bum you out,
Speaker 1: but she has not mentioned your ass one time, and
Speaker 1: that is a that is a sting. And the dad,
Speaker 1: you can tell, is burned by that, and Liv goes,
Speaker 1: we're busting our asses trying to find her, and the
Speaker 1: dad is like suddenly furious.
Speaker 2: He's like, you don't have her, you call yourself a cop?
Speaker 2: What the fuck? And Stone is like, bitch, I should
Speaker 2: arrest you.
Speaker 1: And Live has to like calm the whole room down,
Speaker 1: and she tells Stone like, dog, you cannot attack the parents.
Speaker 1: And Stone's pissed. He's like they didn't do enough. He's like,
Speaker 1: my dad had half of the NYPD working overtime. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was an executive Ada. They're not the same of dads.
Speaker 2: But if they didn't even do a police support, it
Speaker 2: is fucked up. Yeah, that is weird.
Speaker 1: I do feel like if they had gotten want missing
Speaker 1: posters out through the NYPD, like we would have found
Speaker 1: this girl.
Speaker 2: She's in bars, she's on the street, you know, like yeah,
Speaker 2: they do find people.
Speaker 1: But Stone doesn't get it and Rollin's bus in and goes,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, guys, good news apps work. I found
Speaker 1: Grace slash Sophie on street life app and she's panhandling
Speaker 1: on the corner of Henry and Grand Again, I wrote,
Speaker 1: how does this app work? Like I don't understand. I
Speaker 1: was like, like, is it just spying on people? And
Speaker 1: going I think this looks like the guy you're looking for.
Speaker 1: Live tell Stone you need to chill, and then she
Speaker 1: takes off to go find Sophie. Finn and Carisi are
Speaker 1: about to approach Sophie slash Grace when they see Tommy
Speaker 1: walk up to her and then he just fucking sucker
Speaker 1: punches her right in the damn face and then they
Speaker 1: start fighting in a pile of trash bags and caris
Speaker 1: he's also a lot older than her. Yeah, he's a
Speaker 1: lot older. He's huge compared to her, and they arrest
Speaker 1: all obviously.
Speaker 2: Like Penelope Dissick flew.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she flew like little Penelope Dissick. So now
Speaker 1: we're at the hospital. Grace slash Sophie is like, just
Speaker 1: leave me alone. I just want you as leave me alone.
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, your boyfriend just beat the shit
Speaker 1: out of you. And they tell her like, we have
Speaker 1: enough evidence to, like, you know, proceed with an assault
Speaker 1: case on him and he could go to jail. And
Speaker 1: Cresey's like, please tell me you don't love this guy,
Speaker 1: and she's like I need him, and Creasey's like, but
Speaker 1: he hits you, that's not a good deal, and she's
Speaker 1: like better than a million other guys who will rape
Speaker 1: me just because So this guy is clearly like boyfriend.
Speaker 1: The term is very loose, like this guy just protects
Speaker 1: her on the street in exchange for.
Speaker 2: Sex, I think.
Speaker 1: So they bring up Silas case and she goes, forget it,
Speaker 1: he didn't rape me. He paid me what we agreed to.
Speaker 1: I tried to take more like I got greedy. So
Speaker 1: they're like okay, So then Tommy just punched you in
Speaker 1: the face because you cheated on him, and she goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: we have a deal, and Lives like, girl, why are
Speaker 1: you living like this? Why don't you call your parents?
Speaker 1: And she goes they're dead, And when liv asks what
Speaker 1: are their names, she goes, I don't remember.
Speaker 2: Why can't I remember that? And then Live shows her
Speaker 2: her own sorority.
Speaker 1: Photo and she goes, she's pretty, but she doesn't recognize
Speaker 1: herself in the photo, and they go does the name
Speaker 1: Sophie Simmons mean anything? She says no, and then she goes, well,
Speaker 1: there's some people who want to meet you. Be right back,
Speaker 1: and then they bring in the dad and he calls
Speaker 1: her Sophie and he's crying and she's like, Dad, why
Speaker 1: are you crying? What am I doing here? Is something
Speaker 1: wrong with me? So this is the part of it
Speaker 1: that I didn't remember. I was like, what is going
Speaker 1: on with her? I thought it was maybe just a
Speaker 1: mirror of stone situation when I was first watching it,
Speaker 1: that like she had schizophrenia and was like on the street,
Speaker 1: and you know that happens all the time, but it's
Speaker 1: you know, it gets it changed, it's different now. Sophie
Speaker 1: slash Grace is looking at photos and recounting memories to
Speaker 1: a therapist and she remembers fucking everything. She is telling
Speaker 1: a detailed story about being in Florida with her dad
Speaker 1: and exactly what happened when she fell on her face
Speaker 1: and all this, and she says when her mom was alive,
Speaker 1: her dad worked all the time, she didn't see him
Speaker 1: that much, but after her mom died, he actually became
Speaker 1: much more involved and she really loved getting all that
Speaker 1: attention from him. She remembers dad and past the stepmom
Speaker 1: visiting on freshman parents weekend, and after that she doesn't remember.
Speaker 1: And then she's and in that scene she's talking to
Speaker 1: a therapist, and we've seen this therapist before in other episodes,
Speaker 1: Like I think she was maybe in the born psychopath episodes,
Speaker 1: but I forgot to look her up and it is
Speaker 1: dissociative fugue disorder, which is a very rare condition where
Speaker 1: a patient loses autobiographical information and in the absence of
Speaker 1: a personal identity, they adopt a new one, and it's
Speaker 1: usually triggered by child abuse or sexual assault. So Grace
Speaker 1: has been on the streets being assaulted for three years,
Speaker 1: not Sophie. Like Sophie, the personality has been exiled from
Speaker 1: her conscious mind, hence the name of the episode. Stone
Speaker 1: is like, well, that's dramatic, and she's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like she killed Sophie and created Grace, and we
Speaker 1: have to figure out the source of the trauma. It
Speaker 1: could have happened at Spence or maybe it was her dad.
Speaker 2: We don't know.
Speaker 1: And this case is not going to fucking hold up
Speaker 1: with this amnesia situation. So Lives like, we got to
Speaker 1: take Sophie back to the place where she became Grace.
Speaker 1: So now we're at Spence. It looks beautiful. I wonder
Speaker 1: where they are and Gray Slash Sophie is telling Live
Speaker 1: about how rushing THETA was so on fleek and what
Speaker 1: a time capsule. Uh, we would no one would dare
Speaker 1: now and Live was Live goes. Oh, yeah, I was
Speaker 1: a Phi Delta.
Speaker 2: Who knew? Did we ever know? Live was a sorority girl?
Speaker 2: This is the first time of it. Yeah, first I
Speaker 2: have heard. I know she was like she always tries
Speaker 2: to like pretend she wasn't cool, Like she's always trying
Speaker 2: to vibe with the loser. I'm thinking of the episode
Speaker 2: Popular where she was like, you know, I got picked
Speaker 2: on and I kept secrets and my mom and then
Speaker 2: it's like you were like a full blown sorority Sligh
Speaker 2: when your Prada and your fancy stuff and I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's just like so different. I can't I honestly can't
Speaker 2: believe you were. I wonder if she was in real life,
Speaker 2: like where this came from? So shocking. This must have
Speaker 2: been meetings to discuss Yeah, and she was dating older men.
Speaker 1: Not that I think that makes you cool, but I
Speaker 1: don't think it makes you like a little like it
Speaker 1: was like in the back of the room doing my homework,
Speaker 1: you know, like she was she had older boyfriends. Anyway,
Speaker 1: she tells Grace Slash Sophie that college was really an
Speaker 1: escape for her, and then Sophie sees a tree where
Speaker 1: she first met Paul and that was the first guy
Speaker 1: she ever.
Speaker 2: She goes, I was a late bloomer.
Speaker 1: I was like, girl, I lost my virginity way after eighteen,
Speaker 1: So we want to talk about late bloomer.
Speaker 2: I'm the latest bloomer, and Live.
Speaker 1: Confesses she survived on Captain Crunch and it wasn't until
Speaker 1: she moved in with Billy that she started upgraded to
Speaker 1: cans of tuna.
Speaker 2: And then they have a combo about the past.
Speaker 1: Being over, but it's not always over, like you know,
Speaker 1: Live is really call like really like carefully getting into
Speaker 1: this situation with her, like she's not coming out and
Speaker 1: asking any questions, just kind of setting the scene for
Speaker 1: her to figure out what happened here.
Speaker 2: Then they go to this they see this beautiful dorm.
Speaker 1: She goes, this is where I lived with all the
Speaker 1: pre meds, and then she start They go inside and
Speaker 1: she starts like touring Live around and talking about like
Speaker 1: how she was such a nerd at school, like a
Speaker 1: front row kid. But suddenly her mood changes and she goes,
Speaker 1: you should see the football stadium and Lives like, no,
Speaker 1: why don't we stay here? Because Lives like amazing at
Speaker 1: reading people's reactions, and the girl's like, but the football
Speaker 1: stadium is like really cool, and she's like no, no,
Speaker 1: like what's down here. She's like maybe, like let's keep
Speaker 1: walking around here, and she goes, maybe you'll run into
Speaker 1: someone you know, and she goes, yeah, like professor Adams,
Speaker 1: I hate him. He gave me a B minus and
Speaker 1: she'd never gotten below a bee before. And then she
Speaker 1: starts to freak out because she's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: my dad's going to kill me. He told me if
Speaker 1: I got below a bee he was going to send
Speaker 1: me to Sunny, which is so the dad.
Speaker 2: That makes me think the dad is shitty.
Speaker 1: Not that there's anything wrong with Sunny, but like, don't
Speaker 1: like what a weird fucking threat. Live calms her down.
Speaker 1: I have many friends who went to Sunny grade schools.
Speaker 1: Live calms her down and goes, yeah, parents say a
Speaker 1: lot of shit. But then they go she's like, let's
Speaker 1: go in. They get into the office, it's it's you know,
Speaker 1: she's scared. She doesn't want to go in or see him,
Speaker 1: but no one is in the office, so they go
Speaker 1: inside and then she sees this like nasty like love
Speaker 1: seat in the corner of the office and she's like,
Speaker 1: that is where it was. She goes, I came to
Speaker 1: see him to see if I could do extra credit,
Speaker 1: and he told me he believed in sex for grades.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a joke and I laughed, but
Speaker 1: he wasn't joking. He grabbed me. He pushed me down,
Speaker 1: and while he was attacking her, she goes, I had
Speaker 1: a pen in my pocket and it was jabbed against
Speaker 1: my leg until it broke, and we can see the
Speaker 1: blue ink stain on the couch, so like we know
Speaker 1: her story is like real, and she says, I still
Speaker 1: have the scar. She's like, I tried to scream. He
Speaker 1: covered my mouth, and Live calms her down and is like,
Speaker 1: who's gonna believe me?
Speaker 2: And she's like, I do.
Speaker 1: I believe you, And she tells her we're gonna find
Speaker 1: this bastard and confront him. And then, like in a movie,
Speaker 1: a woman walks in and goes, what are you doing
Speaker 1: in my office? And they're like, where's Professor Adams? And
Speaker 1: this woman drops the bomb he died in March. Fuck
Speaker 1: Sophie slash Grace starts to sob. The woman explains he
Speaker 1: had a heart attack, So this fucker It's like when
Speaker 1: we do a case and a guy goes to jail
Speaker 1: and then we find out they die in jail two
Speaker 1: months later. I'm like, it's not fair, Sophie. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I hate that our big pet peeves Sophie. Grace is
Speaker 1: in the in Lives office now, and Lives trying to
Speaker 1: comfort her, but Sophie is pissed. She's like, don't call me, Sophie.
Speaker 1: You told me I would start healing when I confronted him,
Speaker 1: and now he's dead. There's no healing. Like she's having
Speaker 1: like an episode. She really does not. She's not taking
Speaker 1: this well. Lives like, let me drive you home. She's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going home. I was better off on the streets.
Speaker 1: At least Tommy took care of me. And look what
Speaker 1: you did. And then Live goes here, takes a coffee
Speaker 1: mug and gives it to Sophie and goes just throw it.
Speaker 1: She just turns her office into a smash room. She
Speaker 1: goes throw this in, so Sophie rows it on the
Speaker 1: ground and like does that feel good? And she's like, see,
Speaker 1: he's dead, but you're not. And she's like it's not enough,
Speaker 1: and she runs out of the office. Later that evening,
Speaker 1: Careesy finds live and is like, hey, another priestinct just
Speaker 1: called us that Sophie was found dumpster diving on the
Speaker 1: Lower East Side and claims her name is Grace Walker.
Speaker 2: So they're bringing her in and lives like and then what,
Speaker 2: she won't go home, She'll end up back on the street.
Speaker 1: And even if they fifty one fifty her like, which
Speaker 1: is when you put somebody on a mental hold basically
Speaker 1: for mental evaluation, which, by the way I read on
Speaker 1: the IMDb of this page is something fifty one fifty
Speaker 1: as a term only exists in California, So it's funny
Speaker 1: that they're using it on SVU and they're like yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're like she'll just lives, Like she'll just get
Speaker 1: drugged up and put back out on the street in
Speaker 1: a couple of days. Like it's a vicious cycle, which
Speaker 1: is a fact. I mean, like that's the whole like
Speaker 1: a huge problem with like, you know, the unhouse population
Speaker 1: is that like even if you can get them temporary solutions,
Speaker 1: a lot of times they just end up getting put
Speaker 1: back out on the street by police, you know, like
Speaker 1: skid row in Los Angeles. It's like anytime a person
Speaker 1: gets out of the hospital and has nowhere to go.
Speaker 1: They drop them in skid Row. That's like the place,
Speaker 1: and that's why skid Row is the way it is.
Speaker 1: You know. It's just like a bit of a Mad
Speaker 1: Max kind of area, if you will. But there have
Speaker 1: to be other solutions. Other cities have solved these problems,
Speaker 1: and I don't understand why we can't. But that's another time.
Speaker 1: Lives like this guy was a professor. He was supposed
Speaker 1: to guide young minds, not destroy them. And Caresee's like,
Speaker 1: I'd kill that guy if he wasn't already dead, and
Speaker 1: liv goes, that's genius, Careesi. I'm gonna argue about the
Speaker 1: genius of it all. But it's an idea. It's something
Speaker 1: to try, so now live but it's still her idea.
Speaker 1: He said, a thing that like inspired her, right right.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, you're a genius, but you just don't
Speaker 1: want to call yourself a genius all the time.
Speaker 2: And I get it. You're a humble queen.
Speaker 1: So Liv is now standing with Sophie in front of
Speaker 1: Logan Adam's gravestone, the professor who raped her and truly
Speaker 1: like ruined her life for the past three years, and
Speaker 1: she's breeding her him this statement. Reading the statement to
Speaker 1: the gravestone, like, she says, like the last three years
Speaker 1: of her life, she's been on the street, letting strange
Speaker 1: men use her body for food protection drugs.
Speaker 2: I was eighteen.
Speaker 1: I lost time with my friends, my studies, my dad.
Speaker 1: You got a few measly minutes of sexual gratification, and
Speaker 1: I lost my life. I will never forgive you for
Speaker 1: what you did to me, but hopefully I can move
Speaker 1: on with the help from my family and friends. She
Speaker 1: glances at Live and she said, I'm going to survive.
Speaker 1: Yes I am, and then Live whispers yes you are
Speaker 1: a couple of times to her, and that's dick wolf baby.
Speaker 2: That was some sorority shit at the end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was some sister shit. Sister shit, Yes for sure.
Speaker 1: So I'll take you on a journey. Yeah me, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take you on a journey. So this crime
Speaker 1: it's not this is like, this is actually really wild
Speaker 1: and there are I'll just get into it.
Speaker 2: So this woman's name is Hannah Up. Hannah's the twenty
Speaker 2: three what I lived in New York when this was happening.
Speaker 2: I totally forgot that this was based Oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: this was wild when it was going on. But I
Speaker 2: don't remember any of the details. But this that name.
Speaker 1: My sister and I talked about it all the time,
Speaker 1: Like when I would be walking on the street, I'd
Speaker 1: be like, I wonder if I'm gonna see her today,
Speaker 1: Like I would literally have my eyes peeled for her. Wow,
Speaker 1: Like it was such a big story. Okay, but go on,
Speaker 1: I forget a lot of the details. Well yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so it's she's at this time.
Speaker 2: It's two thousand and eight, and she's twenty three years old,
Speaker 2: and she's a teacher at Thurgood Marshall Academy in Harlem.
Speaker 2: She graduated from Brinn mar So maybe that's a little spence.
Speaker 2: Vibe began teaching Spanish to more than two hundred seventh
Speaker 2: and eighth graders while studying for her master's degree in
Speaker 2: education at Pace University. She grew up in a small
Speaker 2: town in Oregon. She's the daughter of two pasts. Mom
Speaker 2: lived in Philly, dad lived in India. They got divorced. Okay,
Speaker 2: so the dad's like really fundamentalists and kind of nuts
Speaker 2: and yeah, and then the whatever they're both like, I
Speaker 2: do have an issue with white ass missionaries that go
Speaker 2: to places and try to get people to be like Christian. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: leave the Philippines alone. I don't know. I just like
Speaker 2: don't get it.
Speaker 1: I I.
Speaker 2: Don't get that in terms of service, it's like a
Speaker 2: cop out to actually doing anything. It bothers me.
Speaker 1: But anyways, yeah, I mean it's door to door sales essentially.
Speaker 1: It's just asking people right to get into your It's
Speaker 1: like Book of Mormon the musical.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're just so high and mighty. Yeah, like
Speaker 2: I don't know what. Anyways. September two thousand and eight,
Speaker 2: she doesn't show up to the first day of school, strange.
Speaker 2: Then her roommate finds her wallet, passport, metro card, and
Speaker 2: cell phone in her purse on the floor of the bedroom.
Speaker 2: She was missing for nearly two weeks, and then she
Speaker 2: was spotted at the Apple Store in Midtown. Her friends
Speaker 2: had been putting out thousands of flyers camping out at
Speaker 2: her apartment, you know, splitting up all the city parks
Speaker 2: into quadrants. They sent groups of people into the woods.
Speaker 2: I mean, she had a great group run through running paths.
Speaker 2: There's footage from the Apple store though, and a man
Speaker 2: approached her asked her if she was the missing teacher
Speaker 2: in the news. So that interaction happened, and then so
Speaker 2: they showed Barbara Bells, the mom. She came down to
Speaker 2: town to watch the footage and she's like, yeah, let's
Speaker 2: fud my fucking daughter. And at the Apple Store she
Speaker 2: logged into her Gmail account and then looked at it
Speaker 2: for a second and then left. But people really loved her,
Speaker 2: and you can see but like all the effort that
Speaker 2: went in, you know. And unfortunately the New Yorker did
Speaker 2: say she lit up a room so dangerous. Come on,
Speaker 2: we gotta stop. Yeah, And she had no barriers with her.
Speaker 2: Her friends said that, like everyone thought they were her
Speaker 2: closest friend and she really was raised to trust and
Speaker 2: care for people. And so then they had that sighting.
Speaker 2: And then two days after she was spotted at a
Speaker 2: Starbucks and soho as well, and then spotted at five
Speaker 2: New York sports clubs around Midtown. So September sixteenth, the
Speaker 2: captain of a Staten Island ferry saw a woman's body
Speaker 2: bobbing in the water south of the Statue of Liberty
Speaker 2: and he goes, it's like so fucking rare to find
Speaker 2: someone with like all this water it's like finding a
Speaker 2: b like a like a big pen. He's like a
Speaker 2: ballpoint pen in a sea. But this guy, Captain Christopher Cavella,
Speaker 2: was a mariner with thirty two years of experience and
Speaker 2: more than seventeen thousand trips on the Staten Island Ferry,
Speaker 2: and so thank god that he was there. They got
Speaker 2: her and they thought she was dead, but when they
Speaker 2: pulled her up, she took a giant gasp of air
Speaker 2: and began crying. She was wearing only red running shorts
Speaker 2: and a black sports spra, so she was taken to
Speaker 2: a medical Yes, wait, what SVU was it?
Speaker 1: Where someone does this? Remember there's an SVU where someone
Speaker 1: is in the water and they but they're alive and
Speaker 1: they're like hypothermic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they they they were lying. It was a fake. Okay,
Speaker 2: it was fake. This isn't this isn't no, no, I
Speaker 2: know this isn't fake.
Speaker 1: I was just like it felt like that sv like
Speaker 1: borrowed from this story then at one point but twisted it,
Speaker 1: you know, but.
Speaker 2: Go on, Yeah, I think the timing's off too. But
Speaker 2: that one is the one where she like goes to
Speaker 2: find drugs but then like fucks up her room and
Speaker 2: then her boyfriend starts like a Twitter account.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Deborah, it's like all episode. Yeah, the red Head,
Speaker 1: the red Head, Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: But I don't remember the main crime, like that's her
Speaker 2: faking But then they find someone or is there a
Speaker 2: false arrest or they start harassing the guy upstairs? Is
Speaker 2: it isolation? Is it the one? Is it the Cockerroach
Speaker 2: episode with Stabler?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold
Speaker 1: on hold seclusion? What is it called isolation? Solitary? It's solitary, Yes, solitary.
Speaker 1: We did it, everybody.
Speaker 2: I mean that was really electric and like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: wearing a Benson shirt looking up it like it really
Speaker 2: it's like, I gotta get another one. And that episode
Speaker 2: is from O nine. That episode is from O nine.
Speaker 1: I think they bond from this real story but made it,
Speaker 1: made it like, you know, the girl was faking it
Speaker 1: or she put her she threw herself into the water
Speaker 1: or whatever.
Speaker 2: Damn okay away. So she's taken into a medical center
Speaker 2: on Staten Island. She's treated for hypothermia, dehydration, and severe
Speaker 2: sunburn that was left on the left side of her body.
Speaker 2: She also had a giant blister which is the only
Speaker 2: physical record of like these weeks that she had on
Speaker 2: the move. And maybe she went to the water because
Speaker 2: her feet hurt, like yeah, so I don't know, But
Speaker 2: for those three weeks she was unable to access her
Speaker 2: own story. She knew nothing. Finally, medical staff started asking
Speaker 2: her sons of questions and she started to snap back
Speaker 2: and knew her name, her mother's phone number. Her mom
Speaker 2: arrived within an hour of the call. Four of her
Speaker 2: friends came to the hospital that day as well. She
Speaker 2: smiled at her roommate, Menuel Ramirez, and said, I hope
Speaker 2: they released me soon because I have to set up
Speaker 2: my classroom. And that's according to the New Yorker. And
Speaker 2: then she's like she did not realize three weeks had
Speaker 2: gone by crazy. The last memories she had was taking
Speaker 2: a run in Riverside Park the day she went missing.
Speaker 2: And then she also like explains how she was filled
Speaker 2: with like shame and embarrassment, guilt, like like she wanted
Speaker 2: to go back to her regular life. Everything was weird,
Speaker 2: and like she just felt bad and didn't know what
Speaker 2: to do. She was transferred to a psych unit in
Speaker 2: Columbia University Medical Center, and there was no neurological condition
Speaker 2: found at all that would cause her to forget her identity,
Speaker 2: so they concluded it had to be psychological in nature.
Speaker 2: And you know, she remembered details of her life prior
Speaker 2: to her disappearance, but nothing in those three weeks. So
Speaker 2: like in the episode, the diagon was disassociative fugue and
Speaker 2: Kara said it, Yeah, it's a rare condition where people
Speaker 2: lose access to their autobiographical memory and personal identity, occasionally
Speaker 2: adopting a new one and may and it could be
Speaker 2: like a long fucking journey. And it's typically triggered by trauma, sexual,
Speaker 2: physical combat, natural disaster, or unbearable internal conflict. Wow, and
Speaker 2: they don't lose memory of like how to hail a
Speaker 2: cab or other mundane tasks. The only memory loss is
Speaker 2: tied to their identity. Yea, she could have still you know,
Speaker 2: kept living. So then this is like probably also with
Speaker 2: the title of the episode, this guy Felipe Tissy, I
Speaker 2: don't know Tishy. There was there was a lot of
Speaker 2: accents in this upcoming philosophy section which I'm not I'm
Speaker 2: not learning in new ways. Sorry, we're in America. I'm
Speaker 2: not active, I'm not putting on accents Felipe to see whatever.
Speaker 2: One of the first psychiatrics to study I mean I
Speaker 2: should respect him enough to learn how to say his name. Anyways,
Speaker 2: he was the first to study this, and he characterized
Speaker 2: it as a kind of self exile. Drink if you're
Speaker 2: home and safe. The French psychologist, I don't know what
Speaker 2: the word was on watching What Happens Live? Oh, I
Speaker 2: forgot the drinking word. Did you guys drink? I don't
Speaker 2: know if Oh my gosh, well I watched it the
Speaker 2: next morning on my DVR. Yeah, so I didn't.
Speaker 1: I wasn't drinking, but I was really in a It
Speaker 1: was probably like West or Sierra or something like.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be something somehow sy Yeah, for sure, I
Speaker 2: just like, don't. I didn't even you know, I was okay,
Speaker 2: at we're back, we're back, We're serious, Okay. French psychologists
Speaker 2: Pierre Janet again probably an accent A meeting Jane.
Speaker 1: Okay, so Pierre Janet, Pier Janet, Pierre, do not say Jane.
Speaker 1: It has to be Pierre Janet. It's Pierre Janet.
Speaker 2: So this French guy psychologist in eighteen eighty nine wrote,
Speaker 2: according to the New Yorker personal unity, identity initiative are
Speaker 2: not primitive characteristics of psychological life. They are incomplete results
Speaker 2: acquired with difficulty after long work, and they remain very fragile. Wow,
Speaker 2: we take a lot of us for granted, you know,
Speaker 2: and it keeps being added. So like at Selkardinia, professor
Speaker 2: of psychology at Lund University in Sweden, he's saying, this
Speaker 2: is like a phenomena that and this is again the
Speaker 2: New Yorker. I'm gonna keep mentioning it. So the phenomena
Speaker 2: that in quotes, it falls between the cracks of the
Speaker 2: house built by contemporary mainstream psychology. In our culture, we
Speaker 2: have a nice narrative that personality is stable. That is
Speaker 2: a fiction when a person enters a fugue and becomes
Speaker 2: someone else or isn't there. It's an exaggerated version of
Speaker 2: the way we all are.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: So yeah, like a break from reality time. Who you
Speaker 2: are like fucking crazy and we feel so I think
Speaker 2: attached to our personality is obviously our identity.
Speaker 1: We're going to be attached And it is wild because
Speaker 1: I always I'm always really.
Speaker 2: My heartstrings always get really pulled when schizophrenia gets brought
Speaker 2: up because it's like that too, where like we take
Speaker 2: it for granted and then you're like, what twenty seven
Speaker 2: and your brain breaks and suddenly you think like people
Speaker 2: are out to get you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: Kind of crazy to think about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean the girl in the episode goes,
Speaker 1: your brain trying to protect yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's how dark shit is. Like it's because
Speaker 2: I'm also seeing it as physical cracks too, Like I
Speaker 2: see it as like falling into the drawings of the brain.
Speaker 1: Like the the girl in the episode goes, this is
Speaker 1: so not like me, like right away, and you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: so and then she obviously like she knew enough to
Speaker 1: like create this alternate identity about the therasca.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get there. I'm gonna get there. Okay, this
Speaker 2: is perfect, Okay. So okay, So and now you know hypnosis,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about it, you know, trendle her Okay, Okay.
Speaker 2: So they tried to get her to recall a traumatic event,
Speaker 2: but she really couldn't remember anything unusual. She just couldn't.
Speaker 2: Hypnosis did not work in that way. They trecked her
Speaker 2: around places like in the show to trigger some memories,
Speaker 2: so places that she usually went from her past, and
Speaker 2: it felt like because she was just continually roaming during
Speaker 2: this time and she did return to familiar shit. So
Speaker 2: she was a freakin, which is crazy. So she knew
Speaker 2: how to eat from the streets, okay, And then so
Speaker 2: she went to this Japanese floor vating lantern ceremony at
Speaker 2: a peer to memorialize nine to eleven at one point,
Speaker 2: and she grew up in a Japanese American church even
Speaker 2: though both her parents were American, her mom spoke fluent
Speaker 2: Japanese and had taught in Japan. So it was like
Speaker 2: she was drawn to the familiar. Got it, got it?
Speaker 2: She had gone to the ceremony honoring nine to eleven
Speaker 2: and then went back to the pier three days later
Speaker 2: and entered the water and the Japanese stuff like, and
Speaker 2: then the time she spent in the water, she was
Speaker 2: laying on rocks, holding onto barges, swimming and like. So
Speaker 2: when she needed to survive, her brain kept her alive,
Speaker 2: but not there and she was missing for like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, it keeps changing from three weeks to seventeen days,
Speaker 2: Like the days are not consistent in any of that
Speaker 2: because I use a couple other sources and so people
Speaker 2: in fugue states, like I said, adopt new identities, but
Speaker 2: for Hannah, it was more like a complete absence of identity.
Speaker 2: Her mother tells The New Yorker. It was like a
Speaker 2: dangerous nothingness, Oh my gosh. And it was just nothingness.
Speaker 2: And also so the sunburn, Like while she was there,
Speaker 2: she while she was grabbing onto rocks, that's how she
Speaker 2: was able to survive, and that's the sunburn. So she
Speaker 2: would sleep on these big rocks and then get sunburned,
Speaker 2: like everything all her like her body told the tale
Speaker 2: of all this too. But survive wildly by holding onto
Speaker 2: shit and in the water in the cold, and you
Speaker 2: have no control over what you are doing is so
Speaker 2: fucking scary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because like she obviously entered the water at a
Speaker 1: place where she could have gone back to shore but
Speaker 1: didn't and just kind of drifted out and then survived
Speaker 1: by sheer muscle memory maybe like crazy.
Speaker 2: But also if the captain one minute later should have
Speaker 2: been dead because they found her face down, oh shit.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, or her body would have saved her.
Speaker 2: I kept saving her.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: So after this ordeal, she left the city and moved
Speaker 2: in with her mom in Pendall Hill, which is a
Speaker 2: Quaker area in Pennsylvania. And she was there for three
Speaker 2: years and like got you know, like worked in Montessori
Speaker 2: school and was into like Montsory education. I mean she
Speaker 2: was like a teacher, was getting that certification. And then
Speaker 2: she went to be an assistant at a Monascori school
Speaker 2: in Maryland and it was for underserved children. And then
Speaker 2: on the first day of class, her mother got a
Speaker 2: call from police and her purse, wallet, phone had been
Speaker 2: found on a wooden footpath in Kensington, Maryland. A. Yeah,
Speaker 2: a colleague saw her walking the wrong direction of the school.
Speaker 2: So my thing is and it's like obviously you need
Speaker 2: to like goal of your life, but I would never
Speaker 2: let her out of my sight, like I don't know
Speaker 2: or like a GPS like this is where we got toes.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but this this is like before AirTag. So
Speaker 2: they looked for her and found out she didn't sleep
Speaker 2: at her place, had not been seen for twenty four hours,
Speaker 2: and then at ten thirty pm the next day, the
Speaker 2: mom got a call. Hannah found herself in a dirty
Speaker 2: creek in Wheat in Maryland, a mile and a half
Speaker 2: from her school, with a shopping cart next to her
Speaker 2: she'd been she'd realized she'd been walking for two days
Speaker 2: and when she to use a stranger's phone then to
Speaker 2: call her mom, her friends and me, probably are you
Speaker 2: less sing? I don't know, like you're all seeing this.
Speaker 2: The connection is it's the beginning of the school year,
Speaker 2: and I found out that she always traveled in August
Speaker 2: before school started with her father. Oh, there was always
Speaker 2: this trip with her father. There's no accusation or anything,
Speaker 2: but in my head, I'm like, the father has something
Speaker 2: to do with us. But anyways, it was always the
Speaker 2: beginning of the school year, so something might have happened
Speaker 2: or it was just like overloading. And then also both
Speaker 2: times she found herself in bodies of water, so what
Speaker 2: is happening.
Speaker 1: Also is the dad coming back into the picture from
Speaker 1: India now that is at one of his daughter going
Speaker 1: through this big ordeal three years ago.
Speaker 2: She kept visiting. There was like a lot about their
Speaker 2: past and like being past years and stuff like you know,
Speaker 2: the New Yorker really likes to fluff it up. I
Speaker 2: didn't want to. I didn't include everything, but you like
Speaker 2: reader or no, I'm just literally she continued me too immediately,
Speaker 2: But yeah, they like snuck it in that he she
Speaker 2: did always do trips with him before school started, and
Speaker 2: like met him where he was. He's always traveling. He's
Speaker 2: in India now, but he was like all over the
Speaker 2: place and he's just like by the but like he
Speaker 2: seems annoying and weird. And I wonder if there's religious
Speaker 2: trauma or something because or not, or it's the school,
Speaker 2: or it's none of these things. But nothing came out.
Speaker 2: She doesn't know the trauma, but her brain might be
Speaker 2: saving herself. I don't know. Yeah, but those are just
Speaker 2: the three connections. It's like the timing and the water.
Speaker 2: So she got very into Montessory, like I said. So
Speaker 2: then she moves to Saint Thomas, an island surrounded by water.
Speaker 2: Surrounded by water. Now, she loved being in the island.
Speaker 2: She was an amazing teacher. The heads of school loved her.
Speaker 2: They're like, when we had to show people about like
Speaker 2: how great her teachers are, we would take him to
Speaker 2: her class. Like everyone loves this bitch. Like she seemed
Speaker 2: to be really like educated, sweet, empathetic, fun caring, like
Speaker 2: she seemed to be the full package. So now it's
Speaker 2: September sixth, twenty seventeen, We're getting ready for Hurricane Irma,
Speaker 2: and she contacted friends. She's like, hey, I'm safe, but
Speaker 2: the island is devastated. And then another Hurricane Maria was
Speaker 2: coming soon. Her old friends checked in on her, and
Speaker 2: they actually had a code after everything took place, like
Speaker 2: that's why me she had such a support system. But
Speaker 2: I also would be like, you're not moving to Saint Thomas,
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, but you gotta live your you know, okay.
Speaker 2: So basically their little code was after the first, you know,
Speaker 2: big story that you remember and everything. She did an
Speaker 2: interview with ABC News, and ABC described Hannah as a
Speaker 2: friendly vegetarian who likes to try new dishes. So her
Speaker 2: friends would go friendly vegetarian and she would respond, who
Speaker 2: likes to try new dishes? And that was yeah, I
Speaker 2: like that, and she did that. She did that post
Speaker 2: and then like, but her roommates were leaving the island,
Speaker 2: her boyfriend was leaving the island. She's like, I'm staying
Speaker 2: in my island. My heart says, I have to stay here.
Speaker 2: You know, school's gonna be the first step of normalcy
Speaker 2: for these children, and I want to be here for
Speaker 2: these children. The next morning, though she didn't show up
Speaker 2: to school. After three days, nobody heard from her or
Speaker 2: seen from her state's island nowhere and again the same
Speaker 2: time of year, September. Yeah, so the state friends, the
Speaker 2: state side friends told the island friends like go to
Speaker 2: bodies of water search for her. And all these bodies
Speaker 2: of waters they went to all her favorite beaches and
Speaker 2: then they found like a bar near the water where
Speaker 2: she always liked to go. And the bar, while they
Speaker 2: were cleaning shit from the hurricane, found her son dressed
Speaker 2: sandals and car keys in the debut. Oh no, her
Speaker 2: car was in the parking lot and inside was her
Speaker 2: perse wallet, passport's cell phone. This is what Okay, So
Speaker 2: this is wild. I can't believe it happened again. There
Speaker 2: must have been a way to help her. I'm like
Speaker 2: so mad at everyone, Like it's really pissing. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I have really like not good reactions, not combactionate enough
Speaker 2: as I should be. So she and she'd been good
Speaker 2: for years though years this is twenty seventeen, so like
Speaker 2: she was working on her training, working on the island.
Speaker 2: Her marm and Barbara went down there immediately and then
Speaker 2: spent months searching for her.
Speaker 1: Daughter.
Speaker 2: So in January twenty eighteen, two caseworkers at the bethlam
Speaker 2: House shelter for the homeless in downtown Saint Thomas reported
Speaker 2: they had just seen Hannah at an abandoned building where
Speaker 2: people smoke crack. So that Barbara and a detective from
Speaker 2: the Virgin Islands Police Department, Albion George drove, sorry, I'm
Speaker 2: thinking about Janet again, Okay, drove to the three story
Speaker 2: structure and they did find a woman, but it was
Speaker 2: not Hannah. Then. The last update was from the Virgin
Speaker 2: Islands Daily News from November twenty twenty four that the
Speaker 2: school honored the missing teacher. It would oh, it would
Speaker 2: have been her fortieth birthday on November twenty ninth, twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four.
Speaker 1: Wow. I did not fucking know this happened to this girl,
Speaker 1: Like I only knew the New York piece of this.
Speaker 1: I know, it's really sad. She's been missing now for
Speaker 1: over seven years. Last scene on the morning of September fourteenth,
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. And yeah, so the associate of fugue rare
Speaker 1: form of amnesia. Suddenly you just forget every it can
Speaker 1: be from a few years, few hours, too years and
Speaker 1: if you want to know more, you guys can watch
Speaker 1: the Bourne identity.
Speaker 2: Jason Bourne is the most famous sufferer of disassociated fuchus,
Speaker 2: And that's stated by the New York Times. So I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to be like a smart ass. And Jason
Speaker 2: Bourne was actually named after the first recorded case of
Speaker 2: the condition by a man, Anselborne, who was a Rhode
Speaker 2: Island preacher who had this happened in eighteen eighty seven
Speaker 2: where he was traveling to Providence, when he actually just
Speaker 2: went to Norristown, Pennsylvania, opened a store, lived with another family,
Speaker 2: and then one day he woke up and went what
Speaker 2: the fuck and then went back to his old life.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it says that travel is a big defining characteristic
Speaker 2: of this doctor Philip Koon's, a professor emeritus of psychiatry
Speaker 2: at Indiana University, quoted to the New York Times. People
Speaker 2: have been known to not only travel across cities or countries,
Speaker 2: but also across continents. The explanation behind the fugue is
Speaker 2: that the person is running away a bad situation, a
Speaker 2: bad marriage, or a bad financial situation. But we never
Speaker 2: figured out this bad thing that happened to Hannah, or
Speaker 2: if something happened, you know, Like I said, the trips
Speaker 2: that have to do with visiting her father tied to
Speaker 2: the school anything. We really don't know any information, and
Speaker 2: it's like so sad and such a sad end and
Speaker 2: like you know, it's it's always like a blessing when
Speaker 2: you don't have to talk about horrific sexual abuse. But
Speaker 2: this is like really sad.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I wish it ended in New York and she could.
Speaker 1: And nothing jogged for her when she was back in
Speaker 1: like her regular moments of living life, like right, like wow,
Speaker 1: oh god, that's horrible, horrible. I watched a show on
Speaker 1: Netflix called Marcella that was about a woman who was
Speaker 1: like a detective, but she would also block out and
Speaker 1: have these fugue states as well. But I think that
Speaker 1: was trauma related because her child had died or something
Speaker 1: like that. So I hope none of us, none of
Speaker 1: you listening, ever go into a fugue. Yes, yes, not
Speaker 1: wishing fugues on anyone right now. Wow, Well, we have
Speaker 1: a great interview coming up to cleanse the palette that
Speaker 1: this will be an interview you want to remember, so
Speaker 1: don't go anywhere. Our guest today is a dancer, theater
Speaker 1: director and actor who you may have seen in shows
Speaker 1: like FBI or The Enemy Within, but you know her
Speaker 1: best as a sufferer of dissociated fugue disorder Grace Walker
Speaker 1: slash Sophie Simmons. Please enjoy our chat with the very
Speaker 1: lovely aim spring Foreshad. First things, first performance, thanks for
Speaker 1: being here.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Before we jump into that, I was obviously scrolling your
Speaker 1: Instagram and I saw a picture. I saw multiple pictures
Speaker 1: of you with Keelee Miller. Oh my, we've just interviewed.
Speaker 1: Like the episode hasn't even come out, it's coming out
Speaker 1: like next week.
Speaker 2: Oh. I just thought that was so saying.
Speaker 1: It was like the two of you at like Paramore,
Speaker 1: and I was like, look at this, these two yes cowls.
Speaker 2: What a big part?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: How did you prep? By mean you're crying or you know,
Speaker 2: you don't know what's happening, Like, so what's the prep
Speaker 2: for a big part like this? There was a lot
Speaker 2: of crying.
Speaker 4: No, what's crazy is I know Keeley from this acting
Speaker 4: class that we were in where like you spend like
Speaker 4: years perfecting, you know, like Maggie the Cat and I
Speaker 4: got this audition and I guess they thought I lived
Speaker 4: in LA because I like switched agencies and so I
Speaker 4: like shot it in you know, twelve hours, and then
Speaker 4: I sent it in and then actually, like all my
Speaker 4: friends were getting calls back for it, and I was like,
Speaker 4: I thought I did really well. Like they usually called
Speaker 4: me back, like why did I have to send a
Speaker 4: self tape? Usually they just like bring me in And
Speaker 4: I heard nothing. And then like two days before they
Speaker 4: started shooting, my agent was like they're calling and asking
Speaker 4: if you have a place to stay in New York.
Speaker 4: I don't know what they mean by that, And I
Speaker 4: was like what. And so I guess I got cast
Speaker 4: thinking that I had to be like, you know, like
Speaker 4: fly myself to New York. And so I had like
Speaker 4: no time to prep and I was like, this is
Speaker 4: like the biggest, like the most amount of like heavy
Speaker 4: scenework I've ever had to do in my life, and uh,
Speaker 4: I just have to.
Speaker 2: Like show up and do my best. So you got
Speaker 2: the script just two days before and that was that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean I think I got like the first draft
Speaker 4: for an audition the audition, but like I had kind
Speaker 4: of forgotten about it because I thought, I, you know,
Speaker 4: didn't get it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so that was intense. It was like a
Speaker 2: good I like, you know, I like love to prepare.
Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, love to put a lot of
Speaker 4: work in and I just like was stripped of my
Speaker 4: crazy security blanket.
Speaker 1: It's so crazy how quick casting goes. Sometimes you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't give people a week, like come.
Speaker 2: On, yeah, did you kind of light like for the
Speaker 2: future now or you did you enjoy not having that
Speaker 2: time to prep or you like fuck that I want
Speaker 2: to prep.
Speaker 4: I yeah, I think I would have liked a calmer
Speaker 4: nervous system like which like the preparation does.
Speaker 2: But it's funny because so the last okay, am I
Speaker 2: write that down and I kind of love that preparation
Speaker 2: calms the nervous system.
Speaker 4: Sometimes sometimes you can like over prepare. Yeah, it does
Speaker 4: for me because I like to you know, I don't
Speaker 4: like surprises. But so the the scene where I flipped
Speaker 4: the table, that was like not originally part of the script.
Speaker 4: That was something that they did like a reshoot like that.
Speaker 4: That was like a week before the episode aired. They
Speaker 4: were like they called me at like seven pm and
Speaker 4: they were like, we're doing reshoots. Can you come in
Speaker 4: tomorrow at eight am and I was like directing a
Speaker 4: play at the time, and we had it was our opening.
Speaker 2: Night that BA was like a tea in a movie night.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I was like coming out of tech.
Speaker 4: I like hadn't showered in a week and I'd been
Speaker 4: like eating Bodega sandwiches and they were like, you come
Speaker 4: and like shoot this big scene or like I didn't
Speaker 4: know what it was. They were like, we just need
Speaker 4: to do some reshoots. And then I get the script
Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh my god, this is like the
Speaker 4: emotional crisis of the whole episode and I have to
Speaker 4: like flip a table and like push met harget day
Speaker 4: and like break glasses and I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 4: And so I that was the moment where like I
Speaker 4: showed up the next morning and I was just like
Speaker 4: it took us like twenty minutes to shoot it because
Speaker 4: I was just like I didn't need anything the whole time.
Speaker 4: Like I didn't I it was just me the whole time,
Speaker 4: Like I just needed to show up as myself and like,
Speaker 4: you know, uncover all my fears or uh, you know,
Speaker 4: I didn't need any work. It's kind of like what
Speaker 4: it felt like at the end. But yeah, so that's
Speaker 4: the scene that felt like I really got her. And
Speaker 4: uh it was like three weeks after we wrapped, so
Speaker 4: maybe it just like needed some time to marinate.
Speaker 1: How and then I'm really interested at the fight. In
Speaker 1: the fight scene with the trash bags, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So the guy who played my boyfriend, James, he was
Speaker 1: a doll. He's like this wonderful, wonderful person and we
Speaker 1: had like theater friends in commons, so I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, just like wreck me.
Speaker 2: Like like I just was like, let's just like fully commit.
Speaker 4: And I did get some bruises, but I had like
Speaker 4: I did have a stunt double who was like teaching
Speaker 4: me how to like and of course the trash bags
Speaker 4: are all like full of you know, like pillows, so
Speaker 4: when I like fell down, I was like on a
Speaker 4: but yeah, I had to like panhandle and uh, you
Speaker 4: know I got to shake shake some like my cup
Speaker 4: of change for some walker buyers that were not aware
Speaker 4: we were filming.
Speaker 2: So that was fun too. Did you get any donations?
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't
Speaker 2: think I sad enough.
Speaker 4: There was like one regret I had because there's a
Speaker 4: close up in that scene of like my hands, and
Speaker 4: I remember being like, well, I don't want to have
Speaker 4: like gross nails on camera, but I I'm also supposed
Speaker 4: to be homeless, so I got a manicure with like
Speaker 4: clear nail polish. And for me, that was like the
Speaker 4: dead giveaway. I was like, this girl is not homeless.
Speaker 4: I was mortified. I was like I can't believe I
Speaker 4: did that. But anyway, wow, so yeah, this must have
Speaker 4: been like huge.
Speaker 1: Okay, and then you got to have so much FaceTime
Speaker 1: with Marishka supportive, lovely, amazing, the usual.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, she's amazing. It's also like a well
Speaker 4: oiled machine where like there's a new girl every week
Speaker 4: who's like got a lot of emotional stuff and they're
Speaker 4: like ready with the you know, emergency room with water
Speaker 4: and tissues and like yes there is.
Speaker 2: She is like wonderful at holding space. Like after the.
Speaker 4: After the scene the like pen on the couch scene,
Speaker 4: I like kind of had a panic attack because I
Speaker 4: was like breathing so weirdly like I was. I don't
Speaker 4: I didn't mean to like induce a panic attack, but
Speaker 4: I kind of did. And yeah, and she just kind
Speaker 4: of like swept me into this like other room and
Speaker 4: closed the door and just like breathed with me and
Speaker 4: we had water and we chatted and and then I
Speaker 4: ended up like having lunch with her in the trailer
Speaker 4: later and we like talked about her trauma.
Speaker 1: It was like, Wow, what'd you guys have to Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do we have to eat? Okay, I'm like, what's
Speaker 1: Mariskau's trauma?
Speaker 2: You're like, what'd you guys eat?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 4: I feel like we all know Marishka's trauma because she
Speaker 4: was like yeah, like true, but okay, I remember. I
Speaker 4: don't remember what I ate that day, but I do remember,
Speaker 4: like when you're at base camp in Chelsea Peers the
Speaker 4: food being like so good, oh really, and me being
Speaker 4: like wow, they're like scallops and like lamb like nice yes,
Speaker 4: and me being like this is amazing, and everyone's like yeah,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: I was like very impressed, and I felt I don't know,
Speaker 2: I felt poor. Listen because even when you said I'm
Speaker 2: like good quality fresh, I was imagining juices. I really,
Speaker 2: I can't believe there's scallops and lamb. That's wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was having a scallop'd shoot that's like for lunch.
Speaker 2: Wolf, Stop fucking around?
Speaker 1: How is that scene with the two douchebags at the bar, Like,
Speaker 1: it's probably not the first scene. It's the first scene
Speaker 1: where we meet you pretty much, but like it's not
Speaker 1: it probably wasn't the first one you shot, but no.
Speaker 4: Actually the first one I shot was the last scene
Speaker 4: in the the episode in the graveyard in the rain.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like the.
Speaker 4: First time I met everyone, and I like, I don't
Speaker 4: think I slept the night before because I was like,
Speaker 4: this is just like so much on the first day
Speaker 4: and I'm going to like meet everybody.
Speaker 1: So for all that, let me ask, because you're holding
Speaker 1: a piece of paper that you're reading off of are
Speaker 1: you reading your line?
Speaker 2: Are you really reading the speech off of it? Or
Speaker 2: did you memorize it?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: I memorized okay, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: But I also was like referring to it yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's like a actor thing because like fuck, you know,
Speaker 4: props will like fuck you, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Something will happen and you'll lose your place.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that was the first scene we shot, and
Speaker 4: I was relieved to get it over with, but also
Speaker 4: like it was a big one to jump in on
Speaker 4: and it was raining. It was like five am, and
Speaker 4: then I think I think that's we had a really
Speaker 4: really long day of shooting at that bar. It was
Speaker 4: like a se It was like a sixteen hour day,
Speaker 4: I think because they I think I think they had
Speaker 4: like a rain machine.
Speaker 1: Or somebody that really raining. They just wanted you to
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, doing your hair and the blower and everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that was that leather jacket was awesome.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: It was prada. I felt, yeah, I knew it was good.
Speaker 1: I can't believe it was not a leather jacket.
Speaker 2: Wow, I know.
Speaker 4: And then that I remember like them asking me the cosh.
Speaker 4: We had like a bunch of stuff for that for
Speaker 4: opening scene, and they were like, which one do you think?
Speaker 4: And I was like, I want this shirt because it's
Speaker 4: like a found object. I wanted to feel like she
Speaker 4: found it somewhere. And she made a dress out of
Speaker 4: it and.
Speaker 2: They had to like add.
Speaker 4: Stuff to the bottom because it was like too short,
Speaker 4: oh television.
Speaker 2: So but yeah, the scene in the bar was super fun.
Speaker 4: Actually, I feel like any anything where I wasn't crying
Speaker 4: was like a joy. It was like a nice break
Speaker 4: from the trauma. So and they were great.
Speaker 1: Cool and then and then I saw a lot of
Speaker 1: your Instagram lately is dedicated to Angela Timber's dance class,
Speaker 1: which is cool because I know her from New York.
Speaker 2: Lisa, you know her too, right, We're online friends like
Speaker 2: we VM and I follow her very religiously. I would say, oh,
Speaker 2: we met one some person. We met one some person,
Speaker 2: and like what is it gold Diggers Club? Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: Old Diggers. Yeah, but no, I don't know her personally,
Speaker 2: but if I always am like, don't move, move, I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm doing all the polls. I'm paying attention. But the
Speaker 1: dance class seems really fun. It's so fun. It's so fun.
Speaker 4: I used to do ballet as a kid and it
Speaker 4: was like very perfectionist and you know, I'm like still
Speaker 4: in therapy about it and uh I but I and
Speaker 4: I like love doing it, but I couldn't, like I
Speaker 4: I have had to like walk out of dance classes
Speaker 4: and so like hers is this very like body positive
Speaker 4: like anti perfectionists, like alt comedy. Everything's like kind of
Speaker 4: angry and like the it's like mostly about the outfits,
Speaker 4: which is, you know, half the reason to do dance.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I started taking with her like a year
Speaker 4: and a half ago. I think and and yeah, and
Speaker 4: then she I did last year's recital, and I just
Speaker 4: love like inviting people to my adult ballet recital.
Speaker 2: It's like so fun, It is so fun. Is there
Speaker 2: another recital in the horizon.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, we have the It's I don't know, like
Speaker 4: you know when this will air, but it's on April
Speaker 4: tenth and eleventh. And we got we just got a
Speaker 4: second performance because we sold out seven hundred seats in
Speaker 4: under two hours.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: And there were like four hundred people in the wait list.
Speaker 4: And so we have a second night, which is like
Speaker 4: that Friday the eleventh.
Speaker 2: Wait, guess what.
Speaker 1: This comes out on April eighth, so we will make
Speaker 1: sure everybody get your little butts over to see this ballet.
Speaker 2: Where is it, Grammarcy, where is it? It's at LaGuardia
Speaker 2: Performing Our Center in like Long Island City. So I
Speaker 2: was just like what venue. I was like, yeah, Long
Speaker 2: Island City, Yeah, awesome. What else do you have coming up?
Speaker 2: That's kind of it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, dedicating my life to the dance, the dance,
Speaker 4: the dance, Yes, the art of l a.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask too, because you were in another
Speaker 1: Dick Wolf joint after you did this you were in
Speaker 1: an episode of FBI, So how did that come?
Speaker 2: That was an offer? No, No, you had to audition again.
Speaker 2: I had to audition again, and I was shocked the episode.
Speaker 2: I'm so surprised. Yeah I was.
Speaker 4: I was a little shocked because I did did cast
Speaker 4: me from tape. They didn't make me like comment or anything,
Speaker 4: which was nice. Yeah, I played like, you know, a
Speaker 4: seventeen year old, which was like interesting, you know, I
Speaker 4: was not seventeen. I am not seventeen, and so uh,
Speaker 4: I was like surprised to get the audition.
Speaker 2: Then I was like whatever, and.
Speaker 4: It was I had a lot less screen time. It
Speaker 4: was actually like ever the they were like looking for
Speaker 4: me the whole time, but it wasn't like cutting to
Speaker 4: where I was necessarily, So it was actually a really
Speaker 4: cushy job because I was like still the guest star.
Speaker 2: But I was most like I had to go and
Speaker 2: like take still photos.
Speaker 4: It was like a we Actually I had like days
Speaker 4: of photo shoots because I don't know if he'll saw
Speaker 4: the show.
Speaker 2: No I haven't, but like.
Speaker 4: There's this amazing so I have this like sick s
Speaker 4: I k H boyfriend, does any spell it seek sick
Speaker 4: and Seek? Yes, yes, so he his parents are like
Speaker 4: she's this is like a bad girl who's unsuitable, and
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, I'm also spoiling the episode, so sorry,
Speaker 4: but so.
Speaker 2: Essentially like he you know, ruins his life for me, and.
Speaker 4: I am kidnapped by these like drug dealers that owe
Speaker 4: him money or he that he owes money too, and
Speaker 4: they like go in his room and they're trying to
Speaker 4: like figure out why he murdered the sky because they
Speaker 4: have like footage of him murdering people in a convenience
Speaker 4: store and there's just like photos of me flustered all
Speaker 4: over his walls. There's like fifty photos of me.
Speaker 2: It's like it's very flattering. But so I had to
Speaker 2: like do this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had to take a lot of photos for that.
Speaker 4: And then some of them, of course, were like with him.
Speaker 4: So all I am is like photos that they're looking
Speaker 4: for until the end where they find me and I
Speaker 4: have this big scene. So like it's kind of the
Speaker 4: opposite of SVU, where at first, like in SVU, they
Speaker 4: like think I'm the perpetrator and then I'm the victim.
Speaker 4: In FBI, they thought I was the victim and they're
Speaker 4: looking for me, and then I end up like holding
Speaker 4: this gas station full of people hostage, and I like
Speaker 4: a gun, and because they're going to take my boyfriend
Speaker 4: to jail, I'm like, fuck that.
Speaker 2: You gotta like your ride or die. Yeah, we were
Speaker 2: both ride or Die. We were like, we're in love.
Speaker 4: And I will manipulate the FBI to like letting him
Speaker 4: free if I and I'll like let these people go
Speaker 4: damn And yeah, do you want me to like spoil
Speaker 4: it or no?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, so I get snipered. Oh yeah, they have
Speaker 2: to kill me? Yeah where does where does the gun
Speaker 2: shot go into my head through a window?
Speaker 4: They're like sitting on a rooftop and I have got
Speaker 4: the shot. They did. They got the shot and they
Speaker 4: took it. And yeah, Like my mother in law watched
Speaker 4: it like on Chris. She was like I didn't know
Speaker 4: you were in an episode or something, and we like
Speaker 4: watched it on Christmas the following year, and she like
Speaker 4: was like bawling and was like I could never watch
Speaker 4: that again, like it was I ruined Christmas.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, it is.
Speaker 4: It is sad, like it was a sad episode. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but it was a very cool part because I got
Speaker 4: to like, you know, have a gun.
Speaker 1: And like be a baddie and you know that's cool,
Speaker 1: and you're just embedding yourself further in the dick. Well,
Speaker 1: if universe are gonna where, you're gonna pop up on
Speaker 1: our Chicagos pretty soon. I bet, I bet you could
Speaker 1: be an Ada the Meds. You just you just look young.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure you can play older, but like
Speaker 1: you do look you have. It's like, great, you have
Speaker 1: such a youthful look.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'll be in Ada and no one respects you
Speaker 2: because you look young. And then you yeah, yeah, we
Speaker 2: do it. How does it feel having amy with kind
Speaker 2: of a funky spelling? Does it terrorize your life day
Speaker 2: to day? It really does.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm like the I'm like the fourth a May fortune.
Speaker 4: I'm from New Orleans and so it's like a Cajun name.
Speaker 4: There were like two a Mays in my class in
Speaker 4: New Orleans. So it was like I grew up with
Speaker 4: it being like not a weird name.
Speaker 2: It's French. It means like loved in French.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and and so like it wasn't until I left
Speaker 4: New Orleans that people were like did you make that up?
Speaker 4: Like why are we having too And it was like
Speaker 4: too late at that point, I had a manager that
Speaker 4: was like, let's just call you Amy, and I was like, eh,
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 2: That's not not my name.
Speaker 4: Like I was like willing to change it to something
Speaker 4: completely different, but like not Amy. So it's like it's
Speaker 4: been a struggle because I always like, as soon as
Speaker 4: I meet someone, I have to like correct them, and
Speaker 4: it's like, you know, a great way for people to
Speaker 4: love you right off the bat.
Speaker 2: It's like, wait, so how did people say it in
Speaker 2: New Orleans A May?
Speaker 4: It's it's yeah, I think the like correct French pronunciation
Speaker 4: is ma, but like people in the South say a May.
Speaker 4: And I was like taking my husband on. We went
Speaker 4: on like the one plantation tour years ago that was
Speaker 4: like this is like the real story of the plantation.
Speaker 4: This is like from the slaves perspective, and of course,
Speaker 4: like uh, I think it was like Laura Plantation and
Speaker 4: we are, you know, like experiencing this horror and uh.
Speaker 4: And then we get upstairs and they're like, and this
Speaker 4: is the portrait of like the meanest plantation owner named
Speaker 4: a May. And it was like the first time that
Speaker 4: he had ever heard a May.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So anyway, this was amazing. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, y'all, yeah, where much? Where do people get tickets
Speaker 1: for the recital?
Speaker 4: It's on Angela's website so, but it's also on my Instagram.
Speaker 4: I have like the link in the bio. Okay, if
Speaker 4: you want to, I'm will included in the show notes
Speaker 4: and stuff.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, but yeah, it's like Angela trember dance dot com.
Speaker 2: I think, thank you so much for talking to us
Speaker 2: a may thank y'all. This was so fun.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, she's so cute. Everybody go to her
Speaker 1: dance her dance recital it's coming up. Yeah and Timber, Timber, Yeah,
Speaker 1: how joyful to go watch a bunch of cool women
Speaker 1: not be self conscious and just dance like ballerinas.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 2: It's really like sad to think. And I have friends
Speaker 2: that like love dance. And then one teacher was like,
Speaker 2: you're too fat and you don't have a future. Get
Speaker 2: out of here. And it's like, so a kid can't
Speaker 2: dance if they don't have a future. I just don't get.
Speaker 2: I know, you don't have a knack for it, don't
Speaker 2: do It's like, can we normal? Well, ever, it's capitalism,
Speaker 2: it's patriarchy, but it's like just normalize having a hobby
Speaker 2: even I mean, even the bracelets. He shuts out the
Speaker 2: base let's on Etsy, and it's like, how about I
Speaker 2: just make the bracelets on my own time however I want.
Speaker 2: Like it's such a it's a very tricksy katya of
Speaker 2: it all. But I mean, and ballet has like always
Speaker 2: been that way.
Speaker 1: But like at least other forms of like hip hop
Speaker 1: and all these other forms of dance are like embracing,
Speaker 1: like you see.
Speaker 2: Dancers of all. I mean, but it's fine, level if
Speaker 2: you need to like whatever, if you're like at the
Speaker 2: American Ballet, whatever, fine, you need to look a certain way.
Speaker 2: But like to not let children who are paying money
Speaker 2: to take live and just take lessons and ruin their
Speaker 2: lives just makes no sense. I was just on my
Speaker 2: friend's podcast and he was saying, as a little kid,
Speaker 2: he was in the basement dancing to Spice Girls and
Speaker 2: lip syncing and like loved the Spice Girls. And his
Speaker 2: stepdad came downstairs and screamed, don't you ever do that again?
Speaker 2: And he like, never dance sing or like the Spice
Speaker 2: Girls again. Oh my god, just like one step down.
Speaker 2: It's just like one thing. It could the kid was dancing.
Speaker 2: It's just like it's just yeah, it's sad. It's so sad.
Speaker 1: But I also think what I like about her doing
Speaker 1: this dance and Angela's whole thing too, is like there's
Speaker 1: so few opportunities to dance when you get older, Like
Speaker 1: when you're a kid, there are dances. You're always like
Speaker 1: dancing with your friends. Like it's like if I don't
Speaker 1: go to like a dance like a nightclub, like where
Speaker 1: am I dancing? You know, weddings like those are those
Speaker 1: are trickling out, you know what I mean? Like so
Speaker 1: and I love dancing, So now I have like pay
Speaker 1: to take dance classes, and I just wish there were
Speaker 1: more places that adults could just go dance.
Speaker 2: People are paying for these classes. I mean, they're paying
Speaker 2: for her classes.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, like it reminds me of how
Speaker 1: like you just don't have the opportunity after childhood to dance,
Speaker 1: and then fucking assholes are telling you for various reasons
Speaker 1: don't dance anyway.
Speaker 2: This episode wild, I mean, what a yeah, I should
Speaker 2: have told you the end in the beginning, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: like it really leads on and not to fit but
Speaker 2: like just but you have to live your life. I
Speaker 2: just you know, so many unanswered questions. What was the
Speaker 2: why that time of year? Why bodies of water?
Speaker 1: It almost it feels like not like poetic, but it
Speaker 1: feels like something from a book or something like it
Speaker 1: feels like the water was drawing her or something like
Speaker 1: all these and like what was it?
Speaker 2: Like what hat will we make?
Speaker 1: We probably will never know, like she ended up in
Speaker 1: an island surrounded by water, like it's just like it's us.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's upsetting, but it's like really unbelievable. And
Speaker 1: I just like remember like being in New York and
Speaker 1: being like, oh my god, where is this girl? She's
Speaker 1: like my sister's a teacher. She's a teacher. I was
Speaker 1: like she's just gone, like where is she? And then
Speaker 1: people spotting her and stuff like oh my gosh. And
Speaker 1: I just I had no idea how it ended how.
Speaker 2: This episode heirs dog doing, how's the vibe? Good? Sisters? Happy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she has this dog named Betty. She's super cute.
Speaker 1: They are my sister's like can.
Speaker 2: You believe this?
Speaker 1: I'm like a full dog mom now, Like I just
Speaker 1: never thought I would see it, Like yeah, they're cute
Speaker 1: I'm going to see my sister next week in Sarasota.
Speaker 2: Hopefully I'll drag her to drag Drace with me.
Speaker 1: But are you guys going to Sarasota for something specific
Speaker 1: or it's just I'm taking the kids for spring break
Speaker 1: and just to see family. It's like spring break and
Speaker 1: my uncle has a house. Wait, you've been to his house.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna go stay at my uncle's house with
Speaker 1: the pool and then go to the beach and stuff.
Speaker 1: And you know, I haven't been there like except for
Speaker 1: one day with you, like three years ago, and I
Speaker 1: didn't get to go to the beach or anything or
Speaker 1: see like you know, and I want to see some
Speaker 1: of my fams.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we're just going for that.
Speaker 1: But it's exciting spring spring break, baby, And it's so
Speaker 1: funny to go to spring break in like Sarasota.
Speaker 2: It's like median age is seventy three.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 2: The beach is school. I thought you were gonna say
Speaker 2: it's going to be young people.
Speaker 1: No, but c s to Key is one of the
Speaker 1: most beautiful beaches in the world, like White Sand Beach,
Speaker 1: like I've every time I go to another beach like Hawaii, California,
Speaker 1: I'm like, this beach is shit compared to this beach
Speaker 1: that I spent growing up going to c s to Key,
Speaker 1: Like the sand is like powder, it's so beautiful.
Speaker 2: Wait, what did we say we were going to talk
Speaker 2: about in the outro? Yes, so you're an SNL girl,
Speaker 2: So tell us your thoughts.
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't get to watch the episode yet,
Speaker 1: but I obviously have seen the clips, Like, well, I
Speaker 1: mean that guy was supposed to know he's selling merch.
Speaker 2: Now he's selling merch that says take me back to
Speaker 2: God's country? Is that like what he said? Like when
Speaker 2: he whispered, like what no? So he walked off and
Speaker 2: then he posts it on his stories a private jet,
Speaker 2: which is so every man, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Nothing says country salt of the earth like getting on
Speaker 2: a private jet right right? And he wrote take me
Speaker 2: back to God's Country.
Speaker 1: So do you think he really feels that way or
Speaker 1: do you think he's like virtue signaling to his fucking people. Oh,
Speaker 1: I hate New York and Saturday Night Live and the
Speaker 1: liberal agenda and I'm getting out of here.
Speaker 2: I think he's a homophobe and racist, and I think
Speaker 2: he was around too many black and gay people for
Speaker 2: his liking. That's what I think. But I was hanging
Speaker 2: out with someone that used to work there, and he's like,
Speaker 2: I've been getting no scooed and like I was, I
Speaker 2: was running into every person that works there. I was like, wayana,
Speaker 2: and they're like there's nothing, like there was no in like,
Speaker 2: nothing actually happened. He just didn't really want to be there,
Speaker 2: and no one really wanted him there either.
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's just there were so many less obvious ways
Speaker 1: he could have, like side the stage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like he just went like it's so crazy. Well,
Speaker 2: it's crazy because it's all fait. It's like, why did
Speaker 2: you even do it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he was supposed to do it in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty and then he got disinvited because he got caught
Speaker 1: partying during COVID, like and so I it's like, if
Speaker 1: you hate SNL and they've already disinvited you once, just fucking.
Speaker 2: Do that, you know, be like fuck that place. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just like, I don't know, these guys are just
Speaker 2: such losers because when you've noticed, no one on the
Speaker 2: cast seemed to care. Like if you look at the
Speaker 2: background of the photo, Marcello has both arms in the air,
Speaker 2: like jumping up and down, like Sarah and Bo like
Speaker 2: are hugging, like everyone's just kind of theater kid having
Speaker 2: the time of their lives. Like I don't like, you know,
Speaker 2: no one cared about him, so it's like he's acting
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna leave, but it's like no one even
Speaker 2: wants to here. No one cares.
Speaker 1: So it's like the good nights are during during the credits,
Speaker 1: if you dv are it, they pretty much get cut off,
Speaker 1: like you just have to stand there for three minutes,
Speaker 1: and you're such a narcissist that you're like, get me
Speaker 1: out of here, Like I can't acknowledge of these people
Speaker 1: for three weeks for three minutes.
Speaker 2: But also then to just get on a private jet
Speaker 2: and have poor people be excited. But it's also a
Speaker 2: person I don't know. He's a racist and homophobe and
Speaker 2: he sucks. It's like I don't get. I just don't
Speaker 2: get when Lauren Michaels is committed to terrorizing his crew
Speaker 2: and staff and cast. Yeah, that's what I don't understand.
Speaker 1: Why are you putting people that are against your casts
Speaker 1: like freedoms and like right to exist.
Speaker 2: They had done on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like there I'm including all those people. Yeah, he's incendiary.
Speaker 1: He does things so that we'll talk about it right
Speaker 1: now and people will continue.
Speaker 2: To watch the show. And you know what I have
Speaker 2: to say, Oh this, I said this yesterday, So if
Speaker 2: you listen to me on anyone else's podcast, but whatever,
Speaker 2: I just like, if you want to be punk rock,
Speaker 2: Shinead O'Connor was punk rock, Yeah, ruined her fucking career.
Speaker 2: If you want to say something about the fucking New
Speaker 2: York City, man, uh, do it during your fucking song,
Speaker 2: you piece of shit coward. All of them are cowards.
Speaker 1: Like you walked off at the last two seconds cool
Speaker 1: statement on your private jet, Like you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: You will never be as tough or as brave as anyone.
Speaker 2: That's like living a life that this administration is against you.
Speaker 2: Fucking wish. They have to create their own like trials
Speaker 2: and tribulations and pretend it's something right because they are
Speaker 2: cow they have nothing. They have nothing. Yeah, like fucking
Speaker 2: Bowen who had to go to conversion therapy, you know,
Speaker 2: and like fucking break free and be himself and get
Speaker 2: to be this famous per living is like, that's a
Speaker 2: fucking brave person, not you walking off at the end,
Speaker 2: and if you were gonna say something, I wish she
Speaker 2: did it like during the song I.
Speaker 1: Don't even fucking know these guys has a guy on
Speaker 1: what like that looks like sounds like a white guy name.
Speaker 1: I'm always like, oh, it's some country singer I don't
Speaker 1: know of, and I don't know one song this guy
Speaker 1: fucking sings. But it's like, are you dumb? Look what
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift did with her country career. Look what Casey
Speaker 1: Musgraves is doing with their gundry career, Like doing it
Speaker 1: being like going back to old school country where you
Speaker 1: don't accept anybody.
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like a good business move.
Speaker 1: No, it is.
Speaker 2: After he said the N word, his sales went up.
Speaker 2: When did he say the N word? I don't know,
Speaker 2: but oh yeah, he was like saying all these slurs
Speaker 2: and his sales went up. I think you're underestimating the
Speaker 2: American public and the hatefulness they have towards black people. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just think there's like a way that you can
Speaker 1: be in between like saying the N word and like,
Speaker 1: oh he just got arrested for like throwing a chair
Speaker 1: at people.
Speaker 2: He's not cluel, No, he seems like a fucking psycho,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like, I don't know what
Speaker 2: else to say.
Speaker 1: I don't, but you're right, Like Lauren Michael's like, I
Speaker 1: it does seem you're so counterculture, You're so like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: why don't you stand behind the people that you fucking hire,
Speaker 1: that put in the hours and make your show and
Speaker 1: subject them.
Speaker 2: To these people?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because even the people that watched for Morgan didn't
Speaker 1: watch the show.
Speaker 2: All the comments are like, yeah, Morgan, fuck this show,
Speaker 2: fuck these live you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's not coming over to SML now. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: a actually the weekend updates pretty funny, Like no.
Speaker 2: But that's always that. That's like, oh way, it's like
Speaker 2: it's I mean, I think he's probably a right wing
Speaker 2: maniac lorn, but the I mean, how why else would
Speaker 2: you have these people on. He's a rich billionaire who's
Speaker 2: been rating an emperor of his little you know, building
Speaker 2: for decades, so I can't imagine him being normal and
Speaker 2: like have any human like feelings sorts whatever. But it
Speaker 2: because I was about to say, I hate like left
Speaker 2: or Democrat vibes of like, but we got.
Speaker 3: To bring them in, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing that's why we hate the Barbie movie.
Speaker 1: We need a movie for men too, And it's like
Speaker 1: do we know we I've talked about it already on
Speaker 1: this podcast, but this like Malcolm Gladwell episode about satire,
Speaker 1: that's like how satire has no teeth anymore because they
Speaker 1: just fucking they bring in the racist. They bring in
Speaker 1: Sarah Palin after they make fun of her, like they're
Speaker 1: not really saying anything. You're not saying anything. If you
Speaker 1: have these people on your show, oh, I know we'll
Speaker 1: get you should do the one what was mister Peg too?
Speaker 1: Because I actually just got a text from Corey Booker,
Speaker 1: so oh excuse me, I got one yesterday. He called
Speaker 1: me right after he got off stage. But I mean
Speaker 1: postmortem of this episode. Basically, I don't know what we've learned,
Speaker 1: but like, go find your daughter. If she's missing in
Speaker 1: New York City for a like months in two three years,
Speaker 1: you need to put up more posters, sir, you really
Speaker 1: need to find her, or because it's not that big
Speaker 1: of an island, Manhattan.
Speaker 2: But let's move on to what would sister Peg do?
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