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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to my favorite murder.

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Speaker 2: That's Georgia Hart.

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Speaker 1: Start, that's Karen kil Gariff.

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Speaker 2: It's all new. It's as if it's day one.

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Speaker 1: It feels new every time.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't it feel fresh and new?

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Speaker 1: I just spit out you. I'm sorry?

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Speaker 2: Did you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Did you land all the way over here in my

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Speaker 2: weird spot? I think it's going away, going away.

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Speaker 3: Let's pretend that spot is not because you've spilled something

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Speaker 3: on yourself, because I spit towards you.

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Speaker 2: Just you spit all the way across the podcast.

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Speaker 1: At me gleek? Remember gleeking.

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Speaker 2: There were boys in my high school that were so

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Speaker 2: frighteningly accurate at gleeking. If you don't know, gleeking is

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Speaker 2: what we used to call in the eighties, very specifically

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Speaker 2: directed spitting.

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Speaker 1: But it wasn't.

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Speaker 3: It was like from the under your tongue. It happens

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Speaker 3: to me all the time in the fucking Dinis chair,

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Speaker 3: and it's so embarrassing. I can I gleak more than

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Speaker 3: most people, never on purpose. It's so embarrassing.

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Speaker 2: There were boys in my high school that, of course

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Speaker 2: were like seniors when I was a freshman whatever that

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Speaker 2: could do it across a classroom at you.

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Speaker 1: If I had that power, it's incredible. Where would I

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Speaker 1: be today?

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Speaker 2: If I had that, You'd be Kenny Scalminini, living your dream.

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Speaker 1: I would have it. OnlyFans gleeking, only.

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Speaker 2: My god, people would pay top.

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Speaker 1: Dollar gleaking and feet. That's what I got.

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Speaker 2: Those are your two big pluses.

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Speaker 1: That's my only fans.

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Speaker 2: I can whistle and be negative. Those are mine. That's

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Speaker 2: my only fan.

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Speaker 1: I can't whistle. So that's actually really impressive. Stop it,

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Speaker 1: show off. You're showing off. Now you're mocking me. Wheet woo.

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Speaker 2: Oh remember the wheat woo that's where that came from. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think Nicole's talking about rereleasing some wheat woo whistles.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's right.

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Speaker 2: We don't all look gross. I'm going to re release

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Speaker 2: some whistles and have people buy them and we donate

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Speaker 2: the money.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, guys, get with it.

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Speaker 2: God damn it.

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Speaker 1: Stop gleaking all over our fucking parade.

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Speaker 3: Oh all right, Uh, how's it going good?

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Speaker 2: I didn't I This was a weekend where because I

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Speaker 2: didn't have to go anywhere, travel do anything, I literally

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Speaker 2: did not do one thing.

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Speaker 1: Just rotted, but not in a negative way.

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Speaker 2: No, I love rotting. I do too. I don't think

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Speaker 2: there's anything wrong with it.

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Speaker 3: No, Like if I have a cat on me, like

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Speaker 3: everything is fine. Yeah, you know cat.

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Speaker 2: I had a dog in a cone for a little

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Speaker 2: while Blossom had an eye infection.

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Speaker 1: A dog, a cat. A book would be great.

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Speaker 3: I'm reading a book about called The Husbands, where this

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Speaker 3: woman has this attic that just creates new husbands every

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Speaker 3: time she sends the other one back up. Oh, so

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Speaker 3: she has an infinite maunt of husbands and she's just

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Speaker 3: trying to like finally fucking pick one, but they also

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Speaker 3: suck in some kind of way, and she's all like,

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Speaker 3: maybe the next one. Yeah, so she's had hundreds of husbands.

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Speaker 2: That's funny.

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Speaker 1: It's so good.

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Speaker 3: It's like perfect sci fi because it's just this. I

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Speaker 3: love when like just oh, this little hole opened up

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Speaker 3: in the world, nothing big.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and this is just how it's affecting my day

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Speaker 2: to day, right husbands?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, called the Husbands.

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Speaker 2: That's fun.

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Speaker 1: I can't put it down. What are you watching anything interesting? Listen.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be negative.

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Speaker 1: I tried it on you.

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Speaker 2: You do well, it's my skill. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: be negative for free whistle. Yeah, you have to go

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Speaker 2: into my only fans for that, but I will just

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Speaker 2: keep a general and say that I tried to get

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Speaker 2: into like the things that are popular and being like

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Speaker 2: marketed right now, and I skimmed through many of them

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Speaker 2: over the weekend, and then I'm just like, what am

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Speaker 1: What could it be? Say it?

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Speaker 2: Fine? It's the new Game of Thrones prequel spin off

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Speaker 2: with the Very Large Man, because you know, I'm a

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Speaker 2: fan of giants of any kind. Really a big man is.

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Speaker 2: I'm always oversized, just.

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Speaker 3: Like regular big, like oversized as big as possible.

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Speaker 2: Robert Wadlow the world's tallest man. Wow, Like whether it's mass,

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Speaker 2: whether it's you know, just pure height, whether it's a personality.

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Speaker 1: You almost like want it to be like on the like.

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Speaker 2: On that circus tip.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to say it, but like like

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Speaker 3: shockingly so.

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Speaker 2: It just holds my attention. It's fun.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Yeah, And I love that.

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Speaker 2: I'm always like what's happening over here?

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Speaker 1: I can't look away.

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Speaker 2: So that guy's you know, cute and great or whatever.

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Speaker 2: But I you don't want to be a sequel or

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Speaker 2: prequel to a show like Game of throneses don't.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to watch it.

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Speaker 2: How does that's like having like a crazy hot older

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Speaker 2: sister and then you're like and there's me, Like there's

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Speaker 2: it's that vibe I feel like where you're very critical

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Speaker 2: of a show that like meant the world to everybody.

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Speaker 3: I remember when I was in my Game of Throne

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Speaker 3: days when I was binging it like years.

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Speaker 2: Later, that's right, and you were just like, what's up

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Speaker 2: with this family? I'm not I'm not having this conversation

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Speaker 2: with you.

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Speaker 3: Can we talk about like been ten fucking years. Did

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Speaker 3: you watch Pogonia?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 3: What's that the new movie that's like with Jesse Plemmons and.

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Speaker 1: And what's her name? I'm a Stone. I'm a Stone?

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Speaker 1: Thank you? You haven't watched that?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, never heard of it.

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Speaker 3: It's like nominated for all these things except Jesse Plemmons

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Speaker 3: fucking got completely. What's it called when they don't ignored? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but what's it?

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Speaker 1: What are they snubbed? Snubbed?

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Speaker 2: Molly coming in hot, She's like, God damn it, this

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Speaker 2: is easy.

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Speaker 3: He snubbed so hard. It's such a good fucking movie.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe you haven't watched it. It's like, so

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Speaker 3: you you love it?

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Speaker 1: You love it?

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Speaker 3: Okay, you're going yeah, okay, well like the flower but

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Speaker 3: like this other thing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah that was great.

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Speaker 2: Did you go to the movie thing?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not, it's gonna say it's on TV.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: And then also, if I had legs, i'd kick you.

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Speaker 3: Did you watch that one?

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Speaker 2: I feel like you mentioned that to me with Rose Burn?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Maybe, okay, excellent? Will you text those to me? No,

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Speaker 1: I'll forget.

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Speaker 2: Come on, because I'll forget. Okay, I'll do it the

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Speaker 2: phase I'm in right now, whatever it is, And maybe

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Speaker 2: I just need to get on move current movie TikTok

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Speaker 2: and that'll help me. Yeah, because I haven't heard of

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Speaker 2: anything except for apparently there was a guy that made

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Speaker 2: his own horror movie that be released on YouTube and

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Speaker 2: it got hugely popular and now it has like theater distributions.

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Speaker 1: Not the one from the Dog's point of View? Is it?

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Speaker 2: I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to watch that one.

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Speaker 2: Is it new?

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Speaker 1: I think it's new Ish?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh I could be wrong. Is a horror movie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a scary movie, but I don't think it's

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Speaker 3: from YouTube.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this one is a guy and I dogs weren't

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Speaker 2: mentioned in the one TikTok I saw about it, but

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Speaker 2: it was like this guy's changing this system or whatever.

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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, you're so movie oriented, although I guess your

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Speaker 3: movie theater oriented more than you know.

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Speaker 2: Noam popcorn oriented. That's what it is.

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Speaker 1: Any excuse good that you can admit that, though.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm real honest about it.

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Speaker 1: The first step popcorn.

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Speaker 2: Please be honest about how you're using the movie theater

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Speaker 2: for popcorn only. Yeah, I'll watch anything with popcorn, big

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Speaker 2: old tub like you know, you can get it delivered

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Speaker 2: to my house in COVID. That sounds right, I think,

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Speaker 2: but it's not. It's certainly not the same. No, you

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Speaker 1: Amazing, amazing.

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Speaker 2: I just shake my head, like that this child was

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Speaker 3: So much to put on a little kid and pressure,

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Speaker 2: And feel justified. Yeah, And this sneering group of white assholes.

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Speaker 1: That are just like this sure old child, Like, what

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Speaker 2: Grab a hold of yourself. So sources used in today's

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Speaker 2: is born in Tylertown, Mississippi, on September eighth, nineteen fifty four.

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Speaker 2: So here's some important context. The year that Ruby Bridges

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Speaker 2: But that does not result in the quick integration of

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Speaker 2: It's aimed at five and six year olds. The numbers

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Speaker 1: You haven't taught because you haven't let them.

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Speaker 2: Of course, her parents disagree about what to do next.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But while the mcdonaugh three will be attending school

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Speaker 3: I feel like six is still young enough to kind

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Speaker 1: We're all freaked out, but we're gonna make it this celebration. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And then she says, did I feel special?

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Speaker 2: I did feel very special as a matter of fact,

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 2: She assumes it's because they're excited about her going to college.

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Speaker 2: Damn it, love God, damn it.

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Speaker 1: That's so sweet.

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Speaker 2: So the car comes to a stop. They've arrived at school,

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Speaker 3: At a child because a family wants their child to

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Speaker 1: But they did. But how do you get away with

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Speaker 2: Because you're raised in it, because it's taught to you,

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Speaker 2: by pushing it towards somebody else.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, not an ex not an excuse.

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Speaker 3: Lucille is with Ruby the entire time. So the girl

444
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 3: and her mother are ushered into the school. Those marshals

445
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 3: lead them straight to the principal's office where Ruby is

446
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 3: sat down and they wait to see which classroom she's

447
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 3: going to join, and she watches through the office glass

448
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,440
Speaker 3: window looking out onto the school's hallway as white adults

449
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 3: constantly come and go, and as they leave, they're often

450
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 3: dragging a child with them. Again, Ruby will eventually learn

451
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 3: these are the white parents yanking their kids out of

452
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 3: class after watching her enter the school because they cannot

453
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 3: have or fathomed the idea of a black child being

454
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 3: taught alongside their kids.

455
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 2: Also, all of the teachers at this grammar school leave

456
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 2: in protest, which is a heartbreaking sentence to read. It's

457
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 2: just like, wow, even the fucking teachers.

458
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

459
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 2: Hours pass, Ruby and Lucille are sitting in the principal's

460
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 2: office because all the teachers have left, no one's there

461
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,959
Speaker 2: to instruct Ruby. With no teacher, there's also no classroom,

462
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 2: the principal is left trying to figure out what to do.

463
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 2: So essentially, it's like they passed this law, the government

464
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 2: threatened them they had to do it, and then they

465
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 2: were just like, but we don't actually have to do it.

466
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 2: There's nothing here, So the four marshals continue guarding the door.

467
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 2: Ruby and Lucile'll sit there until the end of the day.

468
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 2: Bell rings at three pm and she is dismissed. Ruby

469
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 2: remembers thinking, quote, wow, college is easy. Later that evening,

470
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 2: when Ruby's dad asks her how it all went, she

471
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 2: tells them she had a good first day. When the

472
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 2: national news comes on that night, the protective wall her

473
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 2: parents have built around her begins to crack because there

474
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 2: is a story.

475
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 1: About her and her first day of.

476
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,199
Speaker 2: School on that broadcast. It's unclear how much of the

477
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 2: story Ruby actually watches, but she remembers her mom looking

478
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 2: at the TV and saying out loud, oh my god,

479
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,479
Speaker 2: what have I done? Because of course you're in it right.

480
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 2: You don't understand the scope and the bigness and the

481
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 2: symbolism totally of all of it. So the next morning,

482
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 2: gets up and gets ready for her second day of

483
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 2: first grade, and those same four marshals meet her and

484
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 2: her mother at the front door, and they all ride

485
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 2: to school together, and the Marshalls escort them back into

486
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 2: the elementary school. What's different today is that there are

487
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 2: noticeably more angry white people set up outside that school.

488
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 2: They're even more aggressive. They're throwing tomatoes and eggs at Ruby, Lucille,

489
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 2: and the marshals, but mostly at a little, tiny girl.

490
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 2: They also are yelling racial slurs and death threats, saying

491
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 2: they'll hang Ruby, or they'll poison her food. Oh my god,

492
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: Ruby will say that later. She blocked out a lot

493
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 2: of what was happening in that moment. She did not

494
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 2: realize that mob was threatening her until years later when

495
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 2: she watches news footage. And essentially it all allowed Ruby

496
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 2: to maintain this lovely, little innocent idea that she's going

497
00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 2: to college and everybody's excited for her. Her mother and

498
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 2: the Marshalls, of course, take those that threats very seriously.

499
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 2: Ruby will not be allowed to eat anything from the

500
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 2: school for the entire year. Lucille packs her daughter's lunch

501
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 2: every single day, of course.

502
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 3: I mean that's a detail I've never heard before, and

503
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 3: that is just so horrific, I mean heartbreaking.

504
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 2: To feel surrounded by this majority of people who are

505
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 2: like we only like we're going to threaten you in

506
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 2: every way possible.

507
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna ignore it, and I'm going to fucking

508
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 3: still and I'm still going to make sure my daughter

509
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 3: gets the education she deserves.

510
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: Like that woman is so brave.

511
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, she knew the threats, you know, Ruby didn't, but ye,

512
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 3: she and her husband did, and they said it. We're

513
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 3: still moving forward, like it's not so brave.

514
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 2: It's so brave in the face of absolute insanity, just insanity. So,

515
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 2: after pushing past this angry mob again, Ruby and her

516
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 2: mother and the Marshalls enter the school. But on like

517
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,360
Speaker 2: Day one, Ruby won't spend the entirety of the of

518
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 2: the day in the principal's office. She now has a

519
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: classroom assignment. So as they move through the mostly empty school,

520
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 2: there's an eerie silence, and Ruby will later say, quote,

521
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 2: you could hear a pin drop when I walked up

522
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: the stairs. Our footsteps echoed in the hallways end quote.

523
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 2: So they get to a classroom, but there's no students

524
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: in it, but there is a white woman standing there.

525
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 2: It's Ruby's new teacher, Barbara Henry, and she has immediate

526
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: warmth and kindness about her and as a New England

527
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,479
Speaker 2: native and a recent transplant to Louisiana, she also has

528
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 2: a charming Boston accent. Again, no one explains anything to Ruby,

529
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 2: like why she's the only student in this class, or

530
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 2: why her mother is sticking around for the entire school day,

531
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: or why the US Marshals are still outside the classroom,

532
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 2: And of course no one tells Ruby that the reason

533
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 2: missus Henry is here today is because she's the one

534
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 2: white teacher in all of New Orleans willing to instruct

535
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 2: a black student. I mean, shame, shame, shame.

536
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: So much shame on us.

537
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: Instead, Ruby simply assumes this is how college works.

538
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: I love.

539
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: She's like, when do I get to go to the door,

540
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 2: and that's the best.

541
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: This is college.

542
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: You get a one on one and she instantly takes

543
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 2: to missus Henry. Ruby remembers thinking, quote, she made me

544
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 2: feel safe. She made school fun for me. I knew

545
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: once I passed the crowd and got inside the building,

546
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 2: I was going to have a great day because of her.

547
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: She showed me her heart, and I knew that she

548
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 2: was different. Even though she looked like the people outside,

549
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 2: she was different Jesus Christ end quote. Okay, so over

550
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: the school year, Missus Henry creates a magical classroom experience

551
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 2: for Ruby, and incredibly, Ruby absolutely loves going to school

552
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 2: because of her.

553
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: It's amazing, so beautiful.

554
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 2: So basically, when they can hear the racist chants and

555
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: threats inside the classroom from outside, so those people, yeah,

556
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 2: stayed outside. They didn't have their kids in there. They

557
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 2: pulled their kids out and then stood outside screaming school

558
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 2: showing up just scream at a school wow, to scream

559
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 2: against progress. So when that happens and they can hear

560
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 2: the mob outside, Missus Henry simply tells Ruby quote, we're

561
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: going to have music today, and then puts on music

562
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 2: to drown out the noise. So it's not that Ruby

563
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,719
Speaker 2: is kept safe from the horrors of this situation, and

564
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 2: in fact, she does remember seeing people carrying a child's

565
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 2: coffin with a black doll inside of it.

566
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I've never heard that either.

567
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 2: Yeap as a six year old, and it gives her

568
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: recurring nightmares.

569
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: Of course, my god.

570
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: But her mother, Lucille, who never leaves her side, tells Ruby, quote,

571
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: don't worry about those people. They're crazy. They need praying

572
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: for end quote, which is very true. As time passes,

573
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: a small handful of white students trickle back into William

574
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 2: France Elementary. Some families support integrating William France, but others

575
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 2: re enroll their children begrudg just they had nowhere else

576
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 2: to go. So at first Ruby never sees these children.

577
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: By design, the school's administrators try to keep her away

578
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: from them, prompting Missus Henry to step in and confront

579
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: the principle. Missus Henry even threatens to report the school

580
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: to the federal government for continuing to disobey integration orders,

581
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: which results in Ruby finally being allowed to share certain

582
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 2: spaces like play areas, so she could basically go outside

583
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: at the same time other kids. But then Ruby has

584
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: an interaction with one of these children. When they're outside together,

585
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: she sees a little boy. She asks him if he'd

586
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 2: like to play with her, because she consents that he

587
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: wants to, but he tells her his mom won't let

588
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: him play with a black child. But he doesn't say

589
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: black child, he uses a racial slur, and this is

590
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: the moment where it all clicks into place. Ruby will

591
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: later say, quote for months, I'd been trying to piece

592
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: it together, to figure out why the school was empty,

593
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: why there are no kids that show up, why I

594
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 2: can't just have lunch in the cafeteria. And this little

595
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: boy looked at me and told me. I then realized

596
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: it's not Marty Gras, this is not college. It's about me.

597
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: This is obviously devastating for Ruby, but she does have

598
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 2: a support system around her, like her devoted and courageous mom,

599
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: Lucille but also a Harvard educated child psychologist named doctor

600
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: Robert Coles, who is so disgusted by reports of Ruby

601
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 2: being harassed as she walks into school that he reaches

602
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 2: out and offers counseling for her and her family. He

603
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: provides weekly sessions with them for that entire year. So

604
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: he just steps in and is like, okay, let's get

605
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 2: through this. And of course there's Ruby's teacher, Missus Barbara Henry.

606
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 2: In fact, to this day, Ruby and Missus Henry, twenty

607
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: years her senior, are still very close. Ruby has said, quote,

608
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 2: the beauty of it all is that I made a

609
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 2: friend at six years old that I am still friends

610
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 2: with today. She's still my best friend. Oh my god,

611
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 2: just think about that part. Bridges is still alive and

612
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: she's in I believe her early seventies. Yeah, very young

613
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 2: woman who went through this. This is not the past,

614
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: the distant past that oh we've come so far. It's

615
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 2: like this just happened to this moment. So when Ruby

616
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: returns to William Frantz Elementary for second grade, things are

617
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: different because now there are eight other black students in

618
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: the first grade. But Ruby, who's now seven, arrives expecting

619
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: the same setup as the year before, a one on

620
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 2: one classroom led by missus Henry. Instead, she's in an

621
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: all white class and her new teacher is one of

622
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: the teachers who quit in protests the year before. And

623
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: this teacher constantly belittles and embarrasses Ruby, particularly when she

624
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: pronounces certain words with a tinge of missus Henry's Boston accent.

625
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: Ruby described her second grade experience as being quote almost

626
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: like somebody clapped their hands and the carriage was gone,

627
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,239
Speaker 2: and it turned into a pumpkin dude. And she's there

628
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: all by herself.

629
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:02,959
Speaker 1: Yeah.

630
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: Everything Ruby is experienced is isolating and traumatizing, but she

631
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like she has many people she can talk

632
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: to about it. Doctor Coles has since moved away from Louisiana,

633
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: and Ruby's parents are experiencing a version of the fallout themselves.

634
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: A Bonn and Lucille lose their jobs amidst all the

635
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 2: coverage and the uproar around Ruby's going to William Frant's school,

636
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 2: and even her sharecropper grandparents are evicted off their land

637
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: in Mississippi.

638
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: Wow because of it. Oh my god.

639
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: The NAACP steps in to support the Bridges family, but

640
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 2: it all puts such a huge strain on Bonn and

641
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: Lucille's marriage that they eventually separate. And on top of

642
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 2: everything else, Ruby feels further isolated by the total lack

643
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: of recognition by the city about what's happened to her

644
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: and her family. She will later say, quote the city

645
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: didn't want to talk about it or deal with it.

646
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: The whole country had watched how adults behaved in front

647
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 2: of a six year old. Nobody wanted to relive that.

648
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: Wow.

649
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: End quote. So life just goes on. The days pass.

650
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 2: Ruby gets older and without any outside acknowledgment or validation

651
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: of her own experience, this becomes very difficult for Ruby

652
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: to fully process everything that's happened. She's one of the

653
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 2: first children to integrate New Orleans schools, but she starts

654
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 2: to see this as a very personal thing, not something

655
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 2: that has real significance in the world beyond her neighborhood

656
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 2: in New Orleans. Fast forward to the early seventies, Ruby's

657
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: about seventeen years old, and around this time a journalist

658
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 2: approaches her and asks for an interview because of a

659
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: recently published painting by the famous artist Norman Rockwell. It's

660
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Speaker 2: just run as a centerfold and Look magazine. It's titled

661
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Speaker 2: quote the Problem we all live with? And here is

662
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Speaker 2: that painting. If you've never seen it.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I mean it's yeah. And there she is, she chills,

664
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Speaker 3: the tomato thrown against the wall.

665
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just yeah.

666
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Speaker 2: I'll read this for the listeners who aren't watching. Rockwall's

667
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: painting depicts a young black girl in pigtails, clutching her

668
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 2: school books, surrounded by four US marshals that tower over her.

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Speaker 2: A tomato has been hurled at the wall behind them,

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Speaker 2: Its blood red juices dripped down to the sidewalk, and

671
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Speaker 2: a slur is written on the wall, but the little

672
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Speaker 2: girl continues marching forward, her head held high. When the

673
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Speaker 2: reporter insists that this is Norman Rockwall's depiction of her,

674
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 2: Ruby Bridges, Ruby can't believe it. Here's what she said

675
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 2: about that whole situation. Up until that moment, I didn't

676
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 2: think anyone remembered or cared, or that it even mattered.

677
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Speaker 2: I wasn't aware that it was important enough for this

678
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Speaker 2: very famous artist to paint an amazing painting about it.

679
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Speaker 2: I did not realize that my walk, my story, was

680
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Speaker 2: a part of a much bigger family. The civil rights family,

681
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 2: the civil rights movement. I didn't realize it until that moment. Wow,

682
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 2: that idea that it's basically she has her whole education arc.

683
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 2: Basically she's about to graduate from high school when when

684
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 2: this painting comes out and this all happens, and that's

685
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 2: when she realizes it's so like life, or like, you

686
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: go through this really hard, horrible thing, and like, yeah,

687
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 2: life just goes on because that's kind of how it works,

688
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: and sometimes people are there to kind of help you

689
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: through the hard thing, but ultimately you are on your

690
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: own and you kind of march on.

691
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 3: Right and you don't realize the gravity of the important

692
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 3: things that happened to you until you're past them. And

693
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Speaker 3: maybe that's for the best because it's so hard.

694
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Speaker 1: You know, to be processing that, yeah, in real time.

695
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: But then someone is like, hey, this is an unbelievable

696
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: thing that actually happened. You want it, let's all look

697
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 2: at it. Yeah, incredible. So Ruby graduates from high school,

698
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Speaker 2: she takes a job as a travel agent, and then

699
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Speaker 2: she goes and sees the world.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

701
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: She then gets married, she has four children, and then

702
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 2: and then nineteen nineties, when she's in her forties, her

703
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: old child psychiatrist doctor Robert Coles publishes a children's book

704
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Speaker 2: about her, entitled The Story of Ruby Bridges.

705
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Speaker 1: Wow.

706
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 2: It introduces countless more people to her historic tenure at

707
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: William France Elementary, and what follows is a Disney biopic

708
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety eight, for which Ruby is a consultant,

709
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 2: and then President Clinton awards her the Presidential Citizens Medal

710
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: in two thousand and one.

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00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: Wow, I didn't know that.

712
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: I didn't either. And then when President Barack Obama was

713
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: in office, he invites her to come to the Oval

714
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Speaker 2: Office so that they can meet. Ruby has talked about

715
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Speaker 2: how nervous she was when she met him, saying, quote,

716
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Speaker 2: he walked over to me and I extended my hand

717
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 2: and said, it's such an honor to meet you. And

718
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 2: when I did this, he put both hands on his

719
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: hips and looked at me and said, are you kidding me?

720
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Speaker 2: I'm getting a hug. And he threw his arms around

721
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 2: me and said, I cannot begin to tell you what

722
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 2: an honor it is to welcome you into this White House.

723
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Speaker 2: Come on, I mean, did it ever happen? Over the years,

724
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 2: Ruby has written several books and even established her own

725
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 2: organization the Ruby Bridges Foundation, which sets out to quote

726
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: offer programs and resources to guide and support younger generations

727
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: on their pathway toward a more peaceful and harmonious future

728
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Speaker 2: end quote. Every year they help organize commemorative walk to

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Speaker 2: School days across the United States, which honor her historic

730
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 2: first steps into William France Elementary and keep the history

731
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: of hard fought school integration alive. Ruby's mom, Lucille, dies

732
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 2: of cancer in twenty twenty. She lived a good, long life.

733
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Speaker 2: She was eighty six years old. She was a fierce

734
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 2: advocate for education throughout her life, telling children to quote study,

735
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Speaker 2: listen to what their teachers tell them, and their mothers

736
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Speaker 2: and their fathers. After they get their education, they can

737
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: be any person they want to be doctors, lawyers, or anything,

738
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: but you have to have that education. And I would

739
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 2: love for them to just listen to my story so

740
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: they can know how hard it was for my kids

741
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 2: to go to school.

742
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, I just don't take it for granted.

743
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, have some sort of appreciation.

744
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

745
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,479
Speaker 2: Ruby meanwhile, is now in her early seventies. After Lucille's death,

746
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 2: she wrote a statement saying, quote, today our country lost

747
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 2: a hero, brave progressive, a champion for change. She helped

748
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: alter the course of so many lives by setting me

749
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: out on my path as a six year old little girl.

750
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Speaker 2: Our nation lost a mother of the civil rights movement today,

751
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 2: and I lost my mom. I love you and I'm

752
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 2: grateful for you. May you rest in peace. And that's

753
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 2: the story of Ruby Bridges, who's bravery and intelligence changed

754
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: history in America.

755
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: Holy shit, can we see the picture of her?

756
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 2: Oh my god, she's so she's a tiny, tiny little.

757
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 1: Girl, and get those little shoes and socks and her

758
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: little face.

759
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 2: Also, I would love to know what those means. And

760
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 2: our fucking think.

761
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: Totally wondering the same thing, like what.

762
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 2: How do you stand around a little girl that's going

763
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 2: that's having that kind of hatred? Aim? And then go,

764
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 2: these are the reasonable people.

765
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 3: Right, some compassion If you hadn't had any before for

766
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 3: what she's going through.

767
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they would have to.

768
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd hope. Amazing. Oh my god, great job.

769
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Speaker 3: Is none insane, It's insane. I'm so glad you did

770
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 3: that for Black History Month. Yes, let's go on a

771
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 3: completely different trajectory.

772
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Speaker 2: As we do. This isn't that at all, No, nor

773
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: should it be, and it won't be. It's two different

774
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 2: stories every time.

775
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 1: That's right.

776
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 2: What we do is, we're like lemon lime. We come in,

777
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 2: We're like, do you like this flavor? We're changing the

778
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,720
Speaker 2: flavor totally, keep it fresh.

779
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: We're for everybody. We try to make sure we're for everybody.

780
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 2: Right, and by doing so, alienate most of those people.

781
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 3: That's not true. If you don't like us, it's okay.

782
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 3: You don't know because you're not here. Good point, right,

783
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 3: I'm not sure my mom who started.

784
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 2: Fucking Oh Janet listen.

785
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 3: Netflix has made her finally able to listen to the podcast.

786
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 3: Like that's the only way she's been able to understand.

787
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: Podcasts, that's the only way she can access it. Yes,

788
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: now she has notes.

789
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 3: Probably, Yeah, she said something, I love the way you

790
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 3: I don't remember. Can I read you the text?

791
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: Yeah?

792
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 2: Is it backhanded?

793
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: I don't know.

794
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 3: You tell me, I don't think so, Okay, she said,

795
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 3: I finished watching your first episode.

796
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: It was great.

797
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 3: You and Karen have a gift of making the audience

798
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 3: feel a personal part of the conversation. Relaxed, fun, open

799
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 3: and honest.

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Speaker 1: Oh and then so you put me me down my condolences.

801
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: I have not put me down.

802
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 2: That was a great parental test about Oh totally. Yeah,

803
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 2: she's fine.

804
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, she can get in there sometimes with the hardcore mothering.

805
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: She can say the words correctly. For sure, she knows

806
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: those lines. Yeah, for sure. That was really nice.

807
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: Yeah it was fun casual.

808
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, your cat's dead. Wait that isn't true though, No,

809
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 2: she got made me still alive Jesus.

810
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how much longer.

811
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Speaker 3: But with pure spiite and anger at the dogging cats,

812
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 3: she's fucking living.

813
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, all right.

814
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Speaker 3: Today's story I actually found out about from some listeners

815
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 3: named Gavin and Anna, who wrote in a really great email.

816
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 3: But it gives a whole story away, so I'm not

817
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 3: going to read it. But one of them I can't

818
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 3: tell which is a jazz historian and who studies the

819
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 3: music of the nineteen twenties, and so that's how they

820
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 3: know about the story. I had never heard about it,

821
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 3: even though this person that I'm going to tell you

822
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 3: about today in a lot of ways had a bigger

823
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 3: racket going than even Al Capone. Oh but I haven't

824
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 3: heard of him before. He was a character in the

825
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 3: second season of Boardwalk Empire, and I wonder if you

826
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 3: know who it is, because this is a very large

827
00:41:54,920 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 3: human being played by Glenn Fleshler, who was I don't

828
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 3: want to spoil I don't want to spout a true

829
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 3: detective from fucking eight seasons ago.

830
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: She was the main guy.

831
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, and he plays like that perfect like bad guy.

832
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 3: He just looks like a fucking old school gangster.

833
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: He does andy. I think he was doing the kind

834
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 2: of dead eye thing. Yeah, he was very scary.

835
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

836
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Speaker 3: Everything he's been in like he's been a joker, He's

837
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 3: been in. Everything he's been in is like dark.

838
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean, God forbid I say

839
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: that the name Kevin Spacey, but it's like he's that

840
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 2: new kind of like, Yeah, I'm the character actor that

841
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: you think a real guy walked on set and started

842
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: asking questions.

843
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 3: And the moment you see me on screen, you know,

844
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 3: I'm fucking I'm here for trouble.

845
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 2: Some shit's going down.

846
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Speaker 3: Okay, So that is who I'm telling you about today.

847
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Speaker 3: This is a story about a nineteen twenties bootlegger named

848
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 3: George Remus, the so called King of Bootleggers. Oh yeah,

849
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 3: and an eventual murder Okay he committed Okay, the main

850
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 3: sources I used for the story are reporting from the

851
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 3: Chicago Tribune and an article from American Heritage Magazine by

852
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 3: Bob Bachelor. The rest of the sources can be found

853
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 3: in the show notes. Okay, so most of these stories

854
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 3: start with a guy being born into tough circumstances and

855
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 3: embracing crime early on. But that's not exactly how it

856
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 3: seems to go for our George. Though his family doesn't

857
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 3: have much money, he does start out mostly on the

858
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 3: straight and narrow. He's born in eighteen seventy six in Germany.

859
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 3: The family immigrates to the United States when George is

860
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Speaker 3: still pretty young, and they move around for a few years,

861
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Speaker 3: and then they settle in Chicago. And so, when George

862
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 3: is a teenager, his father gets sick, so George starts

863
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 3: to support the family by working at his uncle's pharmacy.

864
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 3: Eventually he becomes a pharmacist himself, but in his early

865
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Speaker 3: twenties he.

866
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Speaker 1: Decides to become a lawyer.

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Speaker 3: So I feel like these things were probably easier to

868
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Speaker 3: become back then.

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Speaker 1: You know, I want to be a pharmacist. I want

870
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Speaker 1: to be a lawyer.

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Speaker 2: It sounds a little bit like the people kids playing

872
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: at a birthday party or right thing where it's like or.

873
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 3: Like one of those like like mail in for your

874
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Speaker 3: certificate of authenticity of being a pharmacist.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean to like one of those schools.

876
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: For the lawyer one you just have to keep on

877
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 2: mailing in over and over.

878
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 3: It's like where Saul Goodman went to law school. Essentially,

879
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Speaker 3: it's harder now.

880
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: I think, draw this turtle. You're a lawyer. Yes.

881
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,720
Speaker 3: He graduates from law school around the time he's twenty

882
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 3: four and he becomes a criminal defense attorney. And a

883
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 3: lot of contemporary discussions about George, he's presented as a

884
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 3: respected defense attorney, but if you delve into some of

885
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 3: the news stories from when he was practicing, it seems

886
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 3: like he used tactics that other lawyers considered unethical, if

887
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 3: not straight up illegal. So he wasn't the good guy

888
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 3: that all lawyers usually are.

889
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 2: If you're a lawyer that's like, I'm not that into

890
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 2: the law. Ye, then yeah, there's some problems. Right.

891
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 3: So in nineteen fourteen, when George is in his mid thirties,

892
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 3: he gains nationwide fame by becoming the first lawyer ever

893
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:01,479
Speaker 3: to use a defense of quote transitory in san which,

894
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 3: in today's money temporary insanity.

895
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: That's right, So he's the first fucking dude to do that.

896
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 1: Who knew?

897
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 3: That case involves the murder of a woman by her husband,

898
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 3: allegedly over an affair. George claims his client, to name W. C. Ellis,

899
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 3: did kill his wife but has no memory of the event,

900
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 3: and the defense actually works, Ellis is acquitted, So that

901
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 3: same case involves some level of unethical conduct. Before a

902
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 3: verdict is reached, George claims that his client had been

903
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 3: offered a bribe from his wife's family. To just a

904
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 3: bunch of bullshit that he uses in court, and we

905
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 3: don't really know what's true and what's not true if

906
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 3: he's stretching the truth or not. He probably is regardless

907
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 3: of George is known around the Chicago courthouse as Crying

908
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 3: Remus because he's known for his impassioned speeches, wild stories,

909
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 3: and his flair for the dramatic.

910
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: That's all you need to be a lawyer, right, Yeah?

911
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 2: I think it's mostly acting. Yeah, theater major. Then go

912
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 2: to what's it called law school school?

913
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: I mean you could do it.

914
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: You cried on.

915
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: Cue, thank you?

916
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could do it.

917
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: Since that's my thing. Cue, it's all you need and

918
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: I love school so much.

919
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you love school and homework and crying on cue.

920
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 3: So the other lawyers don't like it, but jury's eat

921
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 3: it up. So in eighteen ninety nine, when back when

922
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 3: he was about twenty three, he had married a woman

923
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 3: named Lilian Klauf. They have two daughters, and actually one

924
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 3: of the daughters named Romela. She becomes a child actress

925
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 3: in silent films and plays Dorothy in the silent version

926
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 3: of the Wizard of Oz.

927
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 2: Total aside that was Roumela klaud I love her?

928
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: Where was George Ramis's daughter? Who knew?

929
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: Rumella is one of the worst young names I've ever heard, Rebella.

930
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: It sounds like a fucking like something you'd get inoculated from.

931
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 2: That's wild.

932
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 3: Romela Romela, Yeah, r om Are you rm Ola?

933
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: Ramala?

934
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 3: Yeah?

935
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: Ramala? Oh still sucks?

936
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 2: Not great?

937
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: No, okay.

938
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 3: By early nineteen nineteen, George is in his early email,

939
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 3: I know right anothery're from Netflix too, like not just.

940
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 2: They're like I'm over here in wherever that name would

941
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: be from?

942
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: From Melesmith? How dare your family name?

943
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:16,479
Speaker 2: Everyone likes this name?

944
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: I won Best Name three years in a row where.

945
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 3: Okay, by early nineteen nineteen, George is in his early

946
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 3: forties and he's extremely well known in Chicago. One night

947
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 3: in Evanston, the suburb just north of Chicago, a plumber Okay,

948
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 3: this is weird. A plumber named Herbert Young goes to

949
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 3: the house of a divorced woman named Augusta Imajean Holmes

950
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 3: great names who mostly She goes by Imaging Imaging's teenage daughter,

951
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 3: Ruth has lost her watch and Imaging has said she'll

952
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 3: give a reward to whoever finds it, and so Herbert

953
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 3: the plumber finds it. But once he's there, he and

954
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 3: Imaging get into an argument about how much the reward

955
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 3: should be and this turns into a physical altercation with

956
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 3: the man who was there with him, and this man

957
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 3: turns out to be George Remus. Basically, this whole episode

958
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 3: makes the papers and reveals that George, who again is

959
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 3: pretty famous, is having an affair with Imageen and has

960
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 3: been for the past five years.

961
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: Wait, so she gets into a fight so bad with

962
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 2: this guy not giving him the reward because he found

963
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: her daughter's watch that it makes the papers, makes the

964
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 2: fucking paper, and his wife sees in the papers, like

965
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 2: what are you doing at this woman's house? And he's

966
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 2: a lawyer, but he is not able to get her

967
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 2: to stop that fight. Yeah or handle it?

968
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay.

969
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 3: His wife Lillian goes to visit Imaging and gets her

970
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 3: to admit to the unfair. So Lilian's like, fuck this

971
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 3: shit and says to the Chicago Tribune, quote.

972
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: I told her I didn't want him. You may keep

973
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,720
Speaker 1: the rubbish. End quote.

974
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: Snap snap snap snaps snap.

975
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 1: Have my fucking leftovers, bitch, bye and joy. Yeah.

976
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 3: So they get divorced and George remarries Imaging. So this

977
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 3: brings us to nineteen twenty when the Eighteenth Amendment and

978
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 3: the vult Instead Act prohibit the production, importation, transportation, and

979
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 3: sale of alcohol in the US.

980
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, cheers pretty much.

981
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 3: As soon as prohibition goes into effect, George starts representing

982
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 3: clients who are being charged with the illegal production, transportation

983
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 3: and sale of alcohol.

984
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: He's just like, he gets right into that busin yes,

985
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: let's do this.

986
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 3: He immediately notices how much money these people he is

987
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 3: defending are making, and it has to be a very

988
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 3: impressive some because as a lawyer, George had been making

989
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 3: about five hundred thousand a year in nineteen twenties money

990
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 3: what half a million year in nineteen nineteen twenty money?

991
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: Is how much in todate?

992
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 2: So it's like over one hundred years ago, Yeah, half

993
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 2: a million dollars? Yeah, so would he be now making

994
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 2: thirty million dollars a year?

995
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: Eight million?

996
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 2: God damn it, I know. I'm sorry, I always go

997
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 2: way over.

998
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: It's impossible.

999
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 2: It's a personality flaw.

1000
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: That's what it is.

1001
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 2: I've got the jazz historians would know, just like, haha,

1002
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 2: we knew and you didn't.

1003
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 3: And so George realizes that he's uniquely suited to a

1004
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 3: career in bootlegging for two reasons. The first is that

1005
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 3: he's a lawyer, is very comfortable finding loopholes right, even

1006
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 3: ones that are a little bit in the gray area.

1007
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 3: And the second is that his first career was as

1008
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 3: a pharmacist, and he's already found one such loophole allowing

1009
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 3: the sale of liquor for medicinal purposes.

1010
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 2: Did you know that now?

1011
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the during prohibition, you could buy alcohol from

1012
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 3: your pharmacist if a doctor had prescribed.

1013
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: It for you.

1014
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like good alcohol too, because it had to

1015
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:38,760
Speaker 3: be pure strength.

1016
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: That couldn't be bathtub gin. They got it from actual.

1017
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 3: Distilleries, so like, wow, do you remember the first time

1018
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,479
Speaker 3: you went to a weed doctor to get your weed card.

1019
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 3: I was just so terrified that like swat team was going.

1020
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: To come in.

1021
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 2: I actually didn't go inside. I stood on the outside,

1022
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 2: and so I made somebody else go in. You didn't

1023
00:50:56,040 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 2: get your own, No, I was no it. I didn't

1024
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 2: do anything.

1025
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: I was terrified.

1026
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 2: Yes, it was horrifying, so funny. It was very like

1027
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 2: when you're when you grow up under that thing of

1028
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 2: like yeah, this is the thing, this is how bad

1029
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,439
Speaker 2: it is, or this is how whatever, and then you're

1030
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 2: just like, oh, yeah, drugs, and then it's like nowadays

1031
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 2: it's like weed. It's like basically smoking. No one cares.

1032
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 3: Nobody cares. But it was so scary and I didn't

1033
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 3: even like smoke weed. I just kind of wanted some gummies.

1034
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 3: I don't know, I just want to be a part

1035
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 3: of that. I really did want to go into a

1036
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 3: weed store too, because you couldn't you can't go in one,

1037
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 3: or you couldn't go in without the card.

1038
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: And I was so curious about what it looked like inside.

1039
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 2: I know everyone I knew, was like, how do you

1040
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 2: get a card? And then I remember when I had

1041
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 2: my seizures. My neurologist was like, oh, that's like that's

1042
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 2: actually good for that. Yeah, like you I can recommend

1043
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 2: it where I'm just like, oh, my name will be.

1044
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: On the list.

1045
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 2: I was so afraid to be in trouble with the government.

1046
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 2: Look at us now, look at it now. Can you

1047
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 2: imagine no being worried about that list?

1048
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: That's not the list we need to be worried. Crist

1049
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: blah blah blah.

1050
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 2: Gamer Gate was absolutely faur keeled by Steve Bannon. He

1051
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 2: just fucking made the whole thing up. Pizzagate too, pizza

1052
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: Gate on. I mean, obviously, but they ate humans. It didn't.

1053
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 2: It isn't real.

1054
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 3: So Georgian Imaging moved to Cincinnati, Ohio for the practical

1055
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 3: reason that the vast majority of the whiskey produced in

1056
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 3: the US is produced within three hundred miles of Cincinnati.

1057
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: H do you know that? No, Cincinnati, I hardly knew you.

1058
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 3: So he starts buying distilleries and legally provides what's called

1059
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 3: bonded whisky, meaning that it has government stamp of approval

1060
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 3: that it's not going to fucking make you go blind.

1061
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: It's not that's not solumart. I know.

1062
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 3: It's not diluted or adulterated in any way. So that's

1063
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 3: what should be sold for medicinal purposes. Needless to say,

1064
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 3: because of that, George's product is very popular, but there

1065
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 3: is an issue of him only being able to sell

1066
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 3: it for medicinal use. Are just supposed to be wholesaling

1067
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 3: this liquor to other pharmacists, but that's a much smaller

1068
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 3: market than leisure drinkers.

1069
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: So he's like, fuck all, y'allah.

1070
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 3: He gets around that by basically like getting his whiskey

1071
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 3: stolen by his employees and then like confiscated by the police,

1072
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 3: both of which he pays off.

1073
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 2: I don't know, So he basically launders the liquor.

1074
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, exactly.

1075
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 3: In just a year or two, he's running a massive

1076
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 3: operation with three thousand employees, and he's the source of

1077
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 3: one seventh of the whiskey sold in the United States

1078
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 3: under prohibition.

1079
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1080
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 3: Within the first three years of being in business, George

1081
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 3: makes about forty million dollars dang oation in today's money.

1082
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 3: Fucking a so we were at half a million in

1083
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 3: back then. And that was eight million, so forty million.

1084
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 2: Thirty one million.

1085
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 3: It sucks, man, Like, I just don't know how to

1086
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 3: tell you about six hundred and forty eight million.

1087
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 2: Wait, I said less.

1088
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: Than I know what you go? I did that. I

1089
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: did that on stage, remember, and everyone laughed. Did you start?

1090
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 2: What it is is you start getting obsessed with the number? Yeah,

1091
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 2: like I have to pick a good number.

1092
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: But she can't because it doesn't amazing.

1093
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 2: Six hundred and forty.

1094
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: Eight million dollars is what he's making off of this enterprise.

1095
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 2: He's basically the twenties kind of Elon Musk type of

1096
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 2: guy going into the You don't need that much money.

1097
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 3: Totally, and actually they use that money. George and Imogen,

1098
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 3: who's like younger and pretty. Then you know she's like

1099
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 3: actually a photo of her, Oh, she's very glamorous. She

1100
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 3: looks like the woman from the show with the Weeds.

1101
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:44,760
Speaker 1: She sold the weed.

1102
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Mary Louise Parker, Thank you, Mary Louise Parker.

1103
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:50,720
Speaker 1: Doesn't she like a young Mary Louise Parker?

1104
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:51,479
Speaker 2: I can't.

1105
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: So she's young and glamorous and beautiful.

1106
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 2: Here's a funny thing, is so this is from like

1107
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 2: the nineteen twenty they base have her in a three

1108
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 2: quarter turn away from the camp.

1109
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's up with the other side of her face?

1110
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 2: What's gotpening or the outfit or anything. It's just like,

1111
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 2: is this back before photographers understood that, like you could

1112
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 2: see everything in the picture.

1113
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 3: Maybe they're like, she had the most beautiful profile west

1114
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 3: of the missus.

1115
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: I don't know it's west of the Mississippi.

1116
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 3: But but you know, so he kind of got himself

1117
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 3: a some arm candy. Yeah, because you know she's younger

1118
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 3: and they move into a beautiful mansion.

1119
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 2: I have to stop you do you know that thing

1120
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 2: where it's like is this an old woman or a

1121
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 2: young woman? That's literally exactly what she looks like.

1122
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: Especially because I don't or is it a young beauty because.

1123
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 2: She has something on her chin? And then there's that.

1124
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 3: Literally it's very distracting, like is this the blank space

1125
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:44,280
Speaker 3: or is this the blank space?

1126
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:48,439
Speaker 2: Exactly? Is it a rabbit or a duck? I can't tell?

1127
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 3: Send in drawing of it to get your lotrry lottery. Okay,

1128
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 3: So they throw these like lavish parties at their beautiful

1129
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 3: mansion in Cincinnati. They throw this huge party New Year's

1130
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 3: Eve when it's about to be nineteen twenty two. They

1131
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 3: dedicate their brand new indoor swimming pool in the basement

1132
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 3: of their mansion. So they're fucking totally elon musking.

1133
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 2: They have money to burn.

1134
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Immageen wears the scandal's bathing suit, which is

1135
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 3: like crazy for back then.

1136
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:21,240
Speaker 2: It was to the knee covered only half her face.

1137
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 3: Waitresses dressed in all white, passed around champagne and whiskey,

1138
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 3: and at the end of the night as a party favor.

1139
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 3: So it's said that each woman leaves with a pair

1140
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 3: of diamond earrings and every man leaves with the diamond pin.

1141
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 3: There's also rumors that it was actually a diamond necklace

1142
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 3: or a watch. And then there are some rumors that

1143
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,720
Speaker 3: each party guest leaves with a car.

1144
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the twenties, Yeah, that's amazing.

1145
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they are very generous with their friends who

1146
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 3: probably don't need the fucking money anyways. And it's said

1147
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 3: that George is one of the bootleggers who inspired f

1148
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 3: Scott Fitzgerald's Jay Gatsby. That makes sense obvious as to why, right,

1149
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 3: But the good times don't last. Between nineteen twenty two

1150
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 3: and nineteen twenty five, George's arrested multiple times and it's

1151
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 3: convicted of tax evasion. He doesn't get any long prison sentences,

1152
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 3: probably because he bribes the authorities. But that comes to

1153
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 3: an end in nineteen twenty five when he's convicted of

1154
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 3: thousands of violations of the Volstead Act and he's sentenced

1155
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 3: to two years in prison.

1156
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: Wants a picture.

1157
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he has his back to the camera just

1158
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 2: fully turned around. Oh. Actually, that actor looks so much

1159
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 2: like him. He has like light eyes like that. Yeah,

1160
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 2: and he's very scary in that show.

1161
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 3: He plays him on Boardwalk Empire and you can see why. Yeah,

1162
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 3: it's not crazy. This guy takes no shit.

1163
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god, don't come near him with your shit.

1164
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 2: No, no, he's none for him.

1165
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: You think he's.

1166
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 3: Sharing custody with his wife, his first wife, with the kids,

1167
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 3: taken them to like, you know, the carnival on the weekends.

1168
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: No, no, I guarantee.

1169
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 3: You he's not taking his kid's miniature golfing like my dad.

1170
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 2: Did he know he would hire a like two goons

1171
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 2: would take the kidstre golfing.

1172
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: Totally.

1173
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy serious.

1174
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't get on his bad side.

1175
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 2: I kind of can't stop.

1176
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: Syrian him.

1177
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 3: No, I know, don't get on his bad side, except

1178
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,439
Speaker 3: someone does. While he's serving his sentence of two years

1179
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 3: in prison, another inmate befriends him, and George eventually tells

1180
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 3: this man that his wife, imaging, is in control of

1181
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 3: his still very vast fortune, and it turns out that

1182
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 3: that inmate is actually an undercover agent from the Attorney

1183
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 3: General's Office named Franklin Dodge.

1184
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 2: You must like when people talk to you in prison.

1185
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 2: You must it must be such a just a whirlwind

1186
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 2: of emotions. Yeah, because you're like, it'd be great to

1187
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 2: have someone to talk to.

1188
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: I trust the dude who's been around here. He told

1189
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: me what he did. I'll tell him what I did.

1190
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 2: You were chaars, these sharees these and now it's.

1191
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: Like you used heep your mouth shut.

1192
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,919
Speaker 2: Its nothing's reotten. There's no real friendship in prisons, right

1193
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 2: except for those when they bring in those dogs.

1194
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 1: Or the cats too. Just don't get the cats.

1195
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 3: When they have the prisoners rehabilitate the dogs and cats

1196
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 3: and then they get adopted him. So beautiful, you have

1197
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 3: an ex prison rehabilitated dog or cat. Please write us

1198
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 3: in and tell us everything.

1199
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 2: Oh my god, right, that's such a good idea.

1200
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:19,959
Speaker 3: My favorite murder at Gmail we need to know about.

1201
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 3: That's weird fucking request. Okay, it is so Franklin Dodge.

1202
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 3: Instead of going to his boss with the information he

1203
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 3: gets from George, he resigns from his position and fucking

1204
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 3: woos and begins having an affair with Imaging.

1205
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: Oh so, I don't have a photo of him, but

1206
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: he must have been sexy as.

1207
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 3: Fuck and bold and bold, brave. He's like, instead of

1208
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 3: my job, I'm gonna.

1209
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 2: Go fuck your wife.

1210
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: Fuck your wife.

1211
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 3: Well, George is in prison, Imaging sells off almost his

1212
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 3: entire empire, including the house, and gives George one hundred

1213
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 3: dollars of the proceeds.

1214
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 2: Ooh.

1215
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 3: Once he's released from prison, Imaging attempts to have him

1216
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 3: murdered by a hit man, but the hit man worries

1217
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 3: about going against George, who, of course has a lot

1218
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 3: of connections in the underworld, so he instead tells George

1219
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 3: about the plot.

1220
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 2: Good well oh.

1221
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 3: In the fall of nineteen twenty seven, Immagean files for

1222
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 3: divorce from George, and on his way to the courthouse

1223
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 3: to finalize the divorce, George has his driver chase Imagean's car,

1224
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 3: which she's in with Writing in with her daughter Ruth,

1225
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 3: the watch chick from before, right, And eventually George jumps

1226
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 3: out of the car and Imaging takes off running and

1227
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 3: in the street with onlookers watching, and shock George shoots

1228
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 3: Imaging in the stomach and she dies.

1229
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: At the hospital.

1230
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1231
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, George immediately goes to the police station. He gets

1232
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,919
Speaker 3: in another car and he goes straight to the police

1233
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 3: station and turns himself in and he's charged with Imageen's

1234
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 3: murder and the case goes to trial in December of

1235
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 3: that same year. George represents himself with the assistance of

1236
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 3: another lawyer.

1237
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: The trial is he is a lawyer. Yeah, so I've forgotten.

1238
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 3: The trial is, as you would guess, a massive sensation,

1239
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 3: and the courthouse is packed. George's first wife and daughter

1240
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 3: testify on his behalf, while his stepdaughter Ruth, who had

1241
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 3: been at the scene, testifies against him. George's defense temporary insanity. God,

1242
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 3: it's like he was setting it up that whole time

1243
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 3: so he could use it.

1244
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1245
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 3: He delivers his own defense with his trademark histrionics.

1246
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: Men are so emotional, you know what I mean.

1247
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 2: They can't handle any bad.

1248
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 3: He tells his dramatic retelling of the story. It's basically

1249
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 3: the same kind of song and dance he did to

1250
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 3: get his clients off, and it works for George.

1251
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 2: Two.

1252
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 3: After only nineteen minutes of deliberation, the jury finds him

1253
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 3: not guilty for reasons of insanity.

1254
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 2: Wow, this means.

1255
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 3: That George will have to go to a psychiatric hospital

1256
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 3: where prosecutors try to make him stay, Like, they try

1257
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 3: to get him to stay there a long time because

1258
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 3: they're like the sky tried to kill Like, let's get

1259
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 3: him stuck here.

1260
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 1: But here's what's so crazy.

1261
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 3: They had gone to such great lengths to prove that

1262
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 3: he wasn't insane that they couldn't then prove he was

1263
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 3: and make him stay. Yeah, isn't that like that seems

1264
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 3: like a double entendre?

1265
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 2: What's the thing double indemnity or whatever? Now? Yeah, I mean,

1266
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 2: like right, that seems ironic. Yeah, but also it seems

1267
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 2: like that should be if you get off on that

1268
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 2: like technicality.

1269
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: Or whatever, there should be a sentence.

1270
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's the prosecution's job to try to make

1271
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 2: it right, prove that he wasn't crazy. So then what

1272
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 2: it's like then you're like, aha, you should have never

1273
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 2: brought that up, right, It's like, this isn't a family

1274
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 2: fight at Christmas totally.

1275
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 3: And then like also, that doesn't mean that he's like

1276
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 3: cured and you can just let him go and he

1277
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 3: won't do it again, right, And so George is released

1278
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 3: from the psychiatric hospital after only seven months.

1279
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 2: Sorry, we also have to remind everybody he has all

1280
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 2: the money in the world. Yeah, so that's probably has

1281
01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 2: a lot to do with it too. Yeah, where he's like,

1282
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be staying here. I have money

1283
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 2: once He's really is George. Mary's his longtime secretary, a

1284
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 2: woman named Blanche Watson, great name. They move across the

1285
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 2: Ohio River to Covington, Kentucky, and George lives a quiet

1286
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 2: life there, running a small contracting business, which he runs

1287
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 2: until nineteen fifty when he suffers a stroke and he

1288
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 2: dies two years later at the age of sixty six. Wow,

1289
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 2: and that is the story of the King of Bootleggers.

1290
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 2: George remas God, damn, have you ever heard of this guy?

1291
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,919
Speaker 2: I never heard of him? And he had like six

1292
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 2: different jobs and ends as a contractor. What does that mean?

1293
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 2: Like what was he really a builder? But like I know,

1294
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,320
Speaker 2: but like, do you think that, Oh, he's just a boss.

1295
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 2: I think he's good at bossing people around. So it's

1296
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 2: probably just like, get five guys and we'll figure out

1297
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 2: a way to build this house. That's me fully guessing.

1298
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 1: I'm shedding something and it's worrying me.

1299
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 2: Where do you think it's coming off of you?

1300
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 1: That's there's I mean, baron, lie.

1301
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 2: Is the what color is it?

1302
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: It's white?

1303
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 2: Oh that could be blossom. Yeah, just do a little

1304
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 2: dandrift test and see what comes off of there.

1305
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 1: Anything.

1306
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 2: I think this is just how it is.

1307
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, that's white. No, it's my arm.

1308
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 2: That's why you have to spill your dick. Cook, do

1309
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:21,439
Speaker 2: you have arm makeup on? No, you're just like big

1310
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 2: long white streets. My full body makeup's coming off. I

1311
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 2: don't know why.

1312
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 3: It's Netflix, baby, I gotta wear a full body makeup.

1313
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Speaker 2: We've gone absolutely insane. We truly have for Netflix. Thanks

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Speaker 2: for listening everyone, Thanks for watching, Thanks for watching our

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Speaker 2: podcast and listening to our video. Yeah, we're with you,

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Speaker 2: we are.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you. Thank you guys for tuning in here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for tuning in, and stay sexy.

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Speaker 1: And don't get murdered.

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Speaker 2: Goodbye, Elvis.

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Speaker 1: Do you want a cookie? A?

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Speaker 2: This has been an exactly right production.

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Speaker 3: Our senior producer is Molly Smith and our associate producer

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Speaker 3: is Tessa Hughes.

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Speaker 2: Our editor is Aristotle l Ascevedo.

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Speaker 1: This episode was mixed by Leona Squalacci.

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Speaker 2: Our researchers are Mary McGlashan and Ali Elkin.

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Speaker 2: Com and follow the show on Instagram at my Favorite Murder.

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Speaker 3: Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 2: And now you can watch My Favorite Murder on Netflix.

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