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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And Welcome back George Norry along with Lan Strickler, a

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Speaker 2: veteran paranormal researcher and author with more than five decades

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Speaker 2: of experience examining cryptid encounters, unexplained humanoid sightings, and other

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Speaker 2: anomalist phenomena. He's the founder and publisher of Phantoms and

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Speaker 2: Monsters Now that's one of the most widely read paranormal

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Speaker 2: research platforms in the world, featuring thousands of eyewitness reports

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Speaker 2: and investigative articles. A couple of his books include Fantoms

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Speaker 2: and Monsters, Mothman Dynasty, Alien Disclosure and Wing Cryptids, Humanoids,

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Speaker 2: Monsters and Anomalist Creature's CASEBOOKLN Welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 2: How have you been.

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Speaker 3: I've been fine. Thanks for having me back on George.

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Speaker 2: Looking forward to this. How did you get involved in

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Speaker 2: studying the paranormal.

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Speaker 3: Well, I kind of fell into it. It's something that

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Speaker 3: started when I was young. Actually, I had an encounter

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Speaker 3: room to get his Burg battlefield when I was nine

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Speaker 3: or ten years old, and it kind of worked from

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Speaker 3: there and I didn't really do much as far as

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Speaker 3: cryptid investigation cryptids and other creatures until I had a

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Speaker 3: big foot encounter back in nineteen eighty one, and that

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Speaker 3: kind of started it all off. So that's where we

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Speaker 3: That's where I've been continuing getting involved with my research,

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Speaker 3: and it's kind of expanded out over the years.

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Speaker 2: Would you say you've been a paranormal researcher for most

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Speaker 2: of your career?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, I've been doing this for over

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Speaker 3: forty five years.

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Speaker 2: How did people react initially when they heard that this

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Speaker 2: is what you wanted to do.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I didn't really talk to too many people,

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Speaker 3: to be honest with you. It's just one of those

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Speaker 3: things that progressed as time went on. You know. Eventually,

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Speaker 3: after I started doing the blog back in two thousand

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Speaker 3: and five, it really expanded out and people started sending

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Speaker 3: me reports and such, even though I had been collecting

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Speaker 3: the reports over all that time. So I started the

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Speaker 3: blog and I'm going into my twenty first year.

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Speaker 2: That good for you. Tell us about that bigfoot encounter.

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Speaker 3: Well, it was back in May ninth of nineteen eighty one.

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Speaker 3: I was living in Sykesville, Maryland at the time, and

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Speaker 3: I used to do a lot of fly fishing. So

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Speaker 3: I was on the south branch of the Tapsco River,

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Speaker 3: an area where I'd been out many many times before,

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Speaker 3: and as I was standing in the river fishing, I

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Speaker 3: didn't pay much mind to till I heard he yelped,

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Speaker 3: and when I looked over, I saw this creature standing

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Speaker 3: and it started walking out towards my left and walked

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Speaker 3: stood there and we locked eyes for about ten minutes.

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Speaker 3: And that was only about forty or fifty foot away

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Speaker 3: I was more shocked than anything else. And after about

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Speaker 3: and called the police, and you know, I told him

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Speaker 3: go back and we'll have a police officer meet you there. Well,

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Speaker 3: I didn't really want to go back. I didn't know

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Speaker 3: He said, Noll, you got to get out of here. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Searching the area like it had happened before. Maybe well

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Speaker 4: they had a report. I later found out that they

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Speaker 3: So I got in the car and left. When I

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Speaker 3: when we find out what's going on. Well, about a

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Speaker 3: and he hung up on me. So yeah, I was

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Speaker 3: And you know that all these years, I you know,

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Speaker 3: I decided to go ahead and make a report with

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Speaker 3: the BFROL and explained to them what had happened. And

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Speaker 3: it comes to be that there had been some settings

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Speaker 3: So I was really interested at that time. I wanted

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Speaker 3: many others you had had seen this thing as well,

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Speaker 3: So that's kind of where I cryptid interests started at.

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Speaker 3: And uh, you know, I've been doing it ever since.

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Speaker 2: Did you find that the police took this pretty darn serious?

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Speaker 3: Le lone? It seems that way. I don't know. You know,

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Speaker 3: And I kind of believe this was something they that

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Speaker 3: I mean, there was nothing in the police reports as

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Speaker 3: I timed. I checked it later on and there wasn't

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Speaker 3: much at all being said about it. So, yeah, they

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Speaker 2: Uh. Tell us about the Chicago mothman situation.

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Speaker 3: What happened there, Well, it all started back in twenty

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Speaker 3: into it at first. It was originally reported to move On,

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Speaker 2: The creature that was near a here airport?

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Speaker 3: No, this was earlier on. This was down on Plasky

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Speaker 3: there were, like I said, there were three sightings within

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Speaker 3: wasn't you know, like I said, it was on. Move

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Speaker 3: On had taken the original report, and we weren't getting

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Speaker 3: and they were coming directly to me. And my team,

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Speaker 3: So we really you know, we really did a lot

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Speaker 3: So it's been about over a year and a half

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Speaker 2: Were they reporting people all saying about the same thing.

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Speaker 3: You know, And that's the remarkable thing about this. You

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Speaker 3: very rarely have people agreeing on what they saw, I mean,

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Speaker 3: what had been going on. They would see this thing,

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Speaker 3: they start searching on Google and our name would pop up,

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Speaker 3: team name would pop up, and we get a hold

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Speaker 3: similar to what people in Chicago had been seeing. So

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Speaker 3: the red eyes emaciated six with seven foot tall for

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Speaker 3: the most part. The wings were gargoyle like that Lake

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Speaker 3: membrane wings, and it was very dark in color. But

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Speaker 3: say probably seventy five percent of the sittings involved the

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Speaker 3: red eyes. So you know, as time went on, these

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Speaker 3: expanding out into all Chicago lands. So we've had suttings

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Speaker 3: So we've been taking reports within a two hundred and

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Speaker 2: And the reports still keep coming in.

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Speaker 3: Now, we we have a lot of older reports come in,

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Speaker 3: but as far as you know, actual live reports, something

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Speaker 3: been about a year and a half. So we're waiting

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Speaker 2: What's your gut tell you, eln, what is this thing?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I wish I did. I think it's

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Speaker 3: now that's really the only theory we have. It took

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Speaker 2: What kind of face did they describe.

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Speaker 3: The face? The headsize was fairly small, The face many

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Speaker 2: Could it be a guy in a costume running around?

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Speaker 3: I guess it could be, But honestly, some of the

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Speaker 3: believe that it would be somebody in a suit. We've

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Speaker 2: But the sightings seem to have died down a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they have. We Uh it's been about a year

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Speaker 2: Has the creature apparently moved on to other regions somewhere?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I haven't. There hasn't really been much

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Speaker 2: Wen what about dog man sightings.

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Speaker 3: Well, this is a phenomenon that has been increasing over

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Speaker 3: Pennsylvania has had its share of these cryptied canine type settings.

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Speaker 3: Upright canines where wolf like looking beans, the the folk

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Speaker 3: and that's been going on since the nineteenth century, so

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Speaker 3: and we're still getting reports. Pennsylvania in particular has been

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Speaker 2: Is it like a werewolf?

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Speaker 3: It looks like a werewolf. Many people believe it's a werewolf,

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Speaker 3: but it just you know, we do get suttings on

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Speaker 3: the most part look almost like oversized hyenas, but slope

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Speaker 3: not werewolves the Again, we have no way of proving that,

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Speaker 3: but attacks are very rare, if any, and they seem

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Speaker 2: Do these sightings line seem to go in waves.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes they do, but in others are pretty sporadic. As

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Speaker 3: someone might see something that they can't identify. Many times

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Speaker 2: That's a lot.

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Speaker 1: They have.

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Speaker 2: People reported that these creatures attack humans.

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Speaker 3: Very rare, very rare. Uh. They kind of bluff charge

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