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Speaker 2: Donks, look at us now, tip to tip. This is

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Speaker 2: bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This is Morning Combat.

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Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah, yeah, yeah, a little artsy up in here,

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Speaker 3: up in here, you welcome on in. It's Friday, October fourteenth,

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Speaker 3: twenty and twenty two, and what you're looking at live

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Speaker 3: best damn combat sports show period. Yeah, it's Morning Combat

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Speaker 3: right here, right now. I'm the beaj one, Brian Campbell,

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Speaker 3: You're hostess with the most us on these Fridays, in which,

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Speaker 3: of course we do it for the art. We're also though,

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Speaker 3: going to set the stage for a big weekend and

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Speaker 3: no one, no one better to break down the x's

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Speaker 3: seven times. Then one of the finest fight analysts in

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Speaker 3: the game today, whether he's tough enough to accept a

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Speaker 3: fight or not. Yes, it's lou Thomas.

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Speaker 1: I always wait to see how you're gonna introduce me,

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Speaker 1: and it's always mostly nice. And then a couple of

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Speaker 1: little stabby stabs into the floating rib there from you,

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Speaker 1: But BC, it's nice to see you. How are you doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited, dude. We had good fights this weekend. I'm

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Speaker 3: Dude. I'm I'm pretty I don't say this often. I'm

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Speaker 3: pretty damn jazzed up for women's boxing this weekend. Luke,

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Speaker 3: hooks in me, all right. A lot of sauciness going on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of dude, the weigh ins for

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Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to all that. And then he

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Speaker 3: although I was there, Luke for game six. How about

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Speaker 1: Luke, I'm looking at Morningcombat dot Store now. The first

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Speaker 1: Hold on? How long? How long take you for the

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Speaker 1: Brendan shob dig Five minutes? Not even three minutes? Maybe?

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Speaker 3: But yeah, i'ven't been if I haven't felt that awkward

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Speaker 3: Wow, all right, let's keep this show on the tracks.

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Speaker 3: Here we go. Showtime dot Com is one of the

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Speaker 3: By the way, what do you say, Well, can can

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Speaker 3: you share it?

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Speaker 1: I have the I mean, I don't know how it

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Speaker 3: So yeah, all right, Well you can find some very

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Speaker 3: the Best in Combat Sports with Showtime Championship Boxing next Thursday.

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Speaker 3: For next Friday, excuse me by the way back for

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Speaker 3: the Final Showbox, the new generation card of this calendar year.

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Speaker 3: Go to Showtime dot com right now. So here's our package, right,

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? It's not gonna hurt. It's

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Speaker 3: for supporting those you know, Luke, I'm rockinsrom ag one

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Speaker 3: right now, BC?

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Speaker 1: When are you doing showbox again?

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Speaker 3: You're kidding?

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Speaker 1: Right? I can barely keep up with when my daughter

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I think it was thirteen seconds

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Speaker 1: All I know. But I'm trying to navigate a bunch

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Speaker 3: Next Friday, Atlantic City, the final Showbox, the new generation

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Speaker 1: Got it? Okay, you want to catch BC? You can

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to catch people catching fades while you

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Speaker 3: to the old showbox and check that shit out. Yes, yeah, yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 3: right Kirk Cousins say that time when he like when

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Speaker 1: Wow, it's not like, you know, you can't say it

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Speaker 1: politely like the way Cousins was, Like you like that?

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Speaker 3: Before we launched this today, well, I know we're.

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Speaker 1: Going to talk about UFC here. We do have some

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Speaker 1: Well, basically what happened was askar Askov was supposed to

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Speaker 3: The raw dog was forced to seek protection.

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Speaker 1: Luke the raw dog wanted to protect himself. Who hates

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Speaker 1: Hammerhearschel Walker? I really will never know.

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Speaker 3: You know you got any other weekend plans? Oh, we

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Speaker 3: for itself, a film, a cinematic classic, a masterpiece. But

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Speaker 3: Saturday night, Luke, we know tomorrow it's a big ass

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Speaker 3: at the conclusion of that final fight, whether it's the

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be coming on to break down those break

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, very exciting, Yes, very good. YouTube dot com

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Speaker 1: They'll break down for the weekend's contest. Should be fun.

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Speaker 1: There might be some feces in your dungarease, but it

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be the first time, now would it. Wow?

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Speaker 3: Hey, how about that money Live commercial the new one

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Speaker 1: I know? Could we look more pathetic in that? And washed?

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Speaker 3: I looked a little exotic though, to be fair with you,

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Speaker 3: all right, exotic ex let's launch this. Here we go.

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Speaker 3: It's fight weekend Fridays. We set the stage. The x's

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Speaker 3: and o's, the picks will put a little money in

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Speaker 3: your pocket if you listen. Topic number one comes back

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Speaker 3: to the Apex on Saturday night, UFC Fight Night, and

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Speaker 3: while we lose Ascar Ascarov Brandon Royval, which might have

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Speaker 3: flyweight bout will be the headliner as both Alexa Grosso

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Speaker 3: so Luke Thomas. As we stand right now, our friends

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Speaker 1: Pretty good fight? In fact, we were talking about this,

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Speaker 3: Sure, And I think moving forward, people would rather have

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Speaker 3: you mispronounced Adoujao than try three different ways each time, Luke, But.

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Speaker 3: You're damned if you do on this show and you

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Speaker 3: already know that, Luke. Okay, but the deal here on

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Speaker 3: and in Groscow's opinion, if she can get a sub

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Speaker 1: Do you know that's interesting. I would be somewhat surprised.

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Speaker 3: and I think it's fair that our Ujao seems to

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Speaker 3: You know, you go back and you watch the two losses,

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Speaker 3: It's kind of all coming together right now, and I

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Speaker 3: If she gets a sub here, I won't be surprised,

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Speaker 1: I would be surprised. I would. I would. I mean,

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Speaker 1: she has faced have not. But it would be very

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Speaker 1: foolish to go in there and not have something built

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Speaker 1: to last for the full twenty five given as a

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Speaker 1: general rule, Yes, in particular given the durability and athletic

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Speaker 1: quality of the opponent that you have here.

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Speaker 3: Luke a Ujao has a knockout in her UFC debut

433
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Speaker 3: at bantamweight, by the way, but since moving down in

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Speaker 3: weight maybe i'll you know, coinciding with an increased level

435
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Speaker 3: of competition, But she's she's become a decision machine in

436
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Speaker 3: many ways, the losses to chukg and the loss of

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Speaker 3: Jessica I when Evil was making her march toward that

438
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Speaker 3: headcake against Valentina. But do you think she's the harder

439
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Speaker 3: striker strike for strike or Arajau compared to the more

440
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Speaker 3: slicker boxing of Grosso. Is that a fair statement?

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Speaker 1: Maybe? Maybe, but the difference would like okay in terms

442
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Speaker 1: of like raw power problem, probably, but in terms of

443
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Speaker 1: like accuracy and what that does for you, especially if

444
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Speaker 1: you have good timing and they don't see it coming,

445
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Speaker 1: I cannot say that she's overall a more devastating striker.

446
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Speaker 1: I don't know that that's true. So when she lands

447
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Speaker 1: and she throws with like the kind of power that

448
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Speaker 1: she naturally has, yes, probably so, But honestly, I like,

449
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Speaker 1: who do I think is going to take more damage

450
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Speaker 1: in this fight? If Grasso has got the right game plan,

451
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 1: it should be al Rojo. It should be It honestly

452
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Speaker 1: should be. So that's I don't know if that answers

453
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Speaker 1: exactly your question. But the dude, the better athlete here

454
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Speaker 1: is clearly the Brazilian. I mean, there's no the tape

455
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Speaker 1: is not ambiguous in this, okay.

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Speaker 3: Would your opinion on this fight change it all? If

457
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Speaker 3: I dead wrong myself in the moment being Friday, that

458
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Speaker 3: would make sense and tell you that her loss to

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Speaker 3: Jessica I actually came the fight immediately after the head

460
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Speaker 3: kick knockout lost to Chevchenko. Does that change it at all?

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Speaker 1: Not? Really? Not really. I've looked at the more recent

462
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Speaker 1: footage on a Rouseau and it's you know, it's fairly

463
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Speaker 1: clear about what it shows at this point in her

464
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Speaker 1: career and her development. Again, I just feel like this

465
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Speaker 1: is going to be what you want to do. If

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Speaker 1: your grasso is you want to be steady rain, you

467
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Speaker 1: want to be steady rain, and if you can find

468
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Speaker 1: a moment for lightning to strike, do it. But it

469
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Speaker 1: would be much better to have consistent, scalable offense over

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Speaker 1: the court. And by the way, how exciting that will be,

471
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Speaker 1: I do not know. But the worst mistake you can

472
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Speaker 1: make against this opponent, the fucking worst, is to be like, oh,

473
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Speaker 1: she gets hit a lot, I'm going to bank on

474
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Speaker 1: that and put her away. That obviously could happen, But

475
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Speaker 1: she is durable despite her obvious deficiencies, and powerful in

476
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Speaker 1: her own right. A very good wrestler can mix it

477
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Speaker 1: up and can can hold and control. She can take

478
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Speaker 1: the back very well. Additionally, I have seen people give

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Speaker 1: away rounds to this opponent by having very bad strategies

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Speaker 1: against her.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and if that steady rainstorm Luke is in formation

482
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Speaker 3: or dangerous enough, you're gonna get that hail hale in

483
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Speaker 3: return Luke. Okay, great pearl jam song, by the way, correct.

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Speaker 1: I don't know I've never heard it. All right, all.

485
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Speaker 3: Right, some of us that do know, we know, Luke,

486
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Speaker 3: uh uh? Are you ready to take this thing, this

487
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Speaker 3: car and park it in the garage? Here? Luke? Who

488
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 3: wins this fight? And why? Okay, because I'm I'm here.

489
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Speaker 3: They got me, They got they got me. Okay. Not no,

490
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Speaker 3: not on a saucy MICHAELA. Mayer versus Alicia Bumgardner level. No,

491
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Speaker 3: but they got me. I'm into this way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't have the same the same you know,

493
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Speaker 1: something extra that some of these grudge matches have on

494
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Speaker 1: the boxing side. But in terms of quality, this is

495
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Speaker 1: a good one. This is a really good one. I

496
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Speaker 1: like Grasso's chances here. I really think she's come a

497
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Speaker 1: long way in her development. Yes, people want to point

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Speaker 1: to how her game has gotten more well rounded, which

499
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Speaker 1: it has, and they want to point to something you

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Speaker 1: had indicated, like, for example, against against Joe Ane Wood

501
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Speaker 1: formerly Joanne Calderwood, that you know, just lethal with how

502
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Speaker 1: quickly she could finish someone. Absolutely, that's part of it

503
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: as well. But this is a different kind of test

504
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Speaker 1: to me. This is the kind of test where you

505
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: need to be able to steadily apply what you have

506
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Speaker 1: for a long duration. It is easy in a fight

507
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Speaker 1: to get derailed, especially with early confidence that can appear

508
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: quite genuine but turns out to be false. You can

509
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Speaker 1: ask Andrea Lee about that. She was i mean rocking

510
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Speaker 1: and rolling early and could not maintain. She made a

511
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Speaker 1: lot of poor decisions along the way that contributed to it.

512
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Speaker 1: But I've seen other opponents do that as well. So

513
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Speaker 1: this is going to be a fight IQ test for

514
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Speaker 1: Alexa Grasso as well as obviously her overall ability. I

515
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Speaker 1: think she will pass it. I think she will find

516
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Speaker 1: a way to get her hand raised. But this opponent

517
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,199
Speaker 1: is tricky. Don't let the fact that she gets hit

518
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Speaker 1: a lot necessarily fool you. In the men's game, or

519
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 1: like you know, in the heavyweight game, if you took

520
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 1: this much punishment, you probably would get polished off. But

521
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Speaker 1: a Rougou is tough as nails and a dynamic athlete

522
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Speaker 1: despite being thirty five years of age. A great fight,

523
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Speaker 1: no doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: When you were referencing the questionable decisions of kgb Luke,

525
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Speaker 3: were you also considering dating.

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Speaker 1: I mean we've been over that one. Yeah, you know, certainly,

527
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: I mean, certainly some larger judgment issues, but just in

528
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Speaker 1: speaking of the fight itself. For example, here's one thing.

529
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Speaker 1: She was constantly trying to kick her to the body,

530
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Speaker 1: like a round kick to the body, and a Rougeaud

531
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Speaker 1: kept catching them and then off balancing her and then

532
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Speaker 1: on the ground. There was a total disparity and ability.

533
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Speaker 1: It's like, dude, why are you throwing this shit? Why

534
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: are you throwing the shit? No? And there was one

535
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Speaker 1: in the third round, like a hook kick she was

536
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Speaker 1: throwing and it missed badly, and then she fell to

537
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Speaker 1: the ground and got on top again. It's like, just

538
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: really really suspect decision making. Their grasso needs to avoid

539
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Speaker 1: some of those traps. Because again, I'm going to say

540
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Speaker 1: one more time, Lee came out and dropped her and

541
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Speaker 1: nearly took her fucking head off. Right. She started out

542
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 1: amazing but couldn't sustain the offense. Beating al Rougeau means

543
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Speaker 1: you have sustained offense over the course of time.

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Speaker 3: Look, is there a larger statement to be made here?

545
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 3: How many women are going to be shining in the

546
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Speaker 3: combat sports world globally this weekend? It's a great point

547
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Speaker 3: of huge enough for you.

548
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Speaker 1: Do you remember the first episode of The Man Show

549
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Speaker 1: when it was Jimmy Kimmel and Adam Carolla and they

550
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Speaker 1: went to like a women's rights march, and their first

551
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 1: bit on their first show was no they do you

552
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Speaker 1: remember this is true?

553
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Speaker 3: Don't I watched every second of that show, But I

554
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Speaker 3: don't know what you're about to tell me.

555
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Speaker 1: No, No, I'm not here to endorse the Man Show.

556
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: But what I would say is in their first bit

557
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Speaker 1: they had they went to like a women's rights rally

558
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Speaker 1: or whatever, and then they had women who were confused

559
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: about the term sign a petition to end the suffrage

560
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Speaker 1: of women for folks whom been in. No, suffrage doesn't

561
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Speaker 1: mean the suffering. It means the right to vote. So

562
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Speaker 1: that was a thing that used to air on Comedy Central.

563
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Speaker 1: Don't know if you could make that show today, ABC.

564
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Speaker 3: Okay, that show was funny then, but of all the

565
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Speaker 3: comedy that has not aged well, like that show hit

566
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Speaker 3: hard in like two thousand and one, two thousand and two,

567
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Speaker 3: Like that thing was like not only acceptable the general

568
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 3: public for the most part, but it was like it

569
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Speaker 3: was musty TV. Luke, if you're an absolute dirthole, I'm

570
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Speaker 3: glad you've evolved from those ways.

571
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Speaker 1: So for sure, Yeah, it suddenly was but yet to

572
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Speaker 1: your point, I mean, honestly, what's the just the not

573
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Speaker 1: in terms of like, you know, Devin Haney's the best boxer,

574
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Speaker 1: but like who's what's like the best fight this weekend. Honestly,

575
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: you could make a case for maybe Shields excuse me, well,

576
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: well could maybe Shields and Marshall is probably the best

577
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: fight Childre and Marshall. Get what am I saying? It's

578
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: obviously Boomgardner or MICHAELA Mayor. But but in either case

579
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Speaker 1: it's one of them. And on the women's on the

580
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: men's side, excuse me, on the UFC side, I should

581
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 1: say this is headlining, not by accident either, like women

582
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 1: have certainly. But I'm gonna say one more time, they're

583
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: still fighting ten rounds over on the women's side, and

584
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: they're fighting two minute rounds. Yo. Fuck that, man, Fuck that.

585
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: That is nonsense. It's twenty twenty two, man, get it together.

586
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: I'm last thing on this BC. When I first started

587
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: covering MMA on national television, when they aired women's fights,

588
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: there were three minute rounds. I remember this distinctly, and

589
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: then they were like, well we have to you know,

590
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: they had some stupid ass reason for why it was,

591
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: then the commissions changed it, and then lo and behold,

592
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Speaker 1: all it did was improve the product. Yo, it's twenty

593
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Speaker 1: twenty two athletic missions. What the fuck are we at?

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Speaker 5: Yah?

595
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 3: I mean, it's so past time even I mean to

596
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Speaker 3: have Taylor and Serrano fight at Madison Square Garden and

597
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 3: it be a fight that was better than we even

598
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 3: thought it could be. But you're still dealing with ten

599
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 3: rounds two minute rounds. It's like, come on, and now

600
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 3: we have an all female, you know, a big deal

601
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 3: boxing card here. It's interesting. Luke Russell's gonna win a

602
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 3: decision and she's gonna look pretty damn damn good doing

603
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 3: so Okay, I think the at the end of the day,

604
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Speaker 3: the volume, you know, she's not to establish that submission threat.

605
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, the boxing and

606
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Speaker 3: the volume of strikes. You know, she's got a chin

607
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Speaker 3: that I trust her chin. That's why. Look, she's not perfect.

608
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Speaker 3: There's gonna be defensive laps, so she's gonna get lit up,

609
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 3: but I think her activity will carry her over the hump.

610
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 3: We'll see what that does to her title home. She

611
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 3: got to know the UFC would want her to get

612
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Speaker 3: to the title show. This is somebody they can market

613
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 3: in a in an area. With Brandon Moreno as the

614
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 3: first champion just recently that they're finally getting some momental

615
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,479
Speaker 3: I mean, look, we're like, we're finally seeing what like

616
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Speaker 3: a real Mexican MMA fighter can look like. Right, you

617
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like everything like Mexican combat sports

618
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 3: have been right boxing and for so long that it

619
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 3: is great to see the evolution of complete fighters coming

620
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 3: up the.

621
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Speaker 1: Ranks, no doubt about it. And obviously she's not alone.

622
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Speaker 1: There are many other ones, but I always say it like,

623
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Speaker 1: this is what you want man who are like rock

624
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: ribbed fight communities across the world, the UK would be

625
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: one and certainly on the women and women's side on

626
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: the For MMA, it's coming along pretty well. Has obviously

627
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: had a lot of successes in a number of ways,

628
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: but there could be so much more and I expect

629
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Speaker 1: so much more. And then Mexico. Man, Mexico has just

630
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: been one of the most important market. I mean, could

631
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: you imagine boxing without Mexico You would lose just vast

632
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: quantities of some of the most important fights and fighters

633
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: in all of history. So can we get some of

634
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: that energy for MMA. All it will do is make

635
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: MMA better, and people like Alexa Grasso among many others

636
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: are are on that march.

637
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Speaker 3: With some of that, It's like it's not as it's

638
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 3: not as if UFC hasn't been there before and haven't

639
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 3: put on big fights and cards and Sea Level Kane

640
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 3: and all that, Luke, but we haven't had that one yet,

641
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 3: like the UFC London card or like some of these

642
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 3: Anthony Joshua fights where it's like, you know, you can

643
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,959
Speaker 3: feel the waves coming through the TV screen and you're like,

644
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 3: I want to be there. I'm trying to I'm trying

645
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 3: to find a way to climb in, Like how do

646
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 3: I you know? Like like that UFC needs that moment

647
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 3: in Mexico City, you know what I'm saying.

648
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, they haven't quite had that although Mexico City. But

649
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: the problem is it's always an elevation. It's like it's

650
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: like two thousand feet higher than Denver. Maybe go to

651
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: some other places in Mexico that aren't quite as UHC.

652
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 3: Tijuana coming your way soon.

653
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: To Guadalajara. You can go to other places too, okay.

654
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 3: Comin events Saturday Night in the Apex and Luke, I

655
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 3: can I'll save it for quick hitters, all right, I

656
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 3: mean this meta things, like for real, speaking of the apex, Luke.

657
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 3: So we're getting real fans and media this weekend. Or

658
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 3: is zuckback because.

659
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: This meant I don't know. Is Zuck back there kicking

660
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: out the peasants? I'm not sure, but I've not heard

661
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: anything about it.

662
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 3: I think Zuck's back there with the power crystals and

663
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 3: they're connecting to the metaverse, Luke, and they sacrifice the

664
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 3: child and it's all it's.

665
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: Watching anything from the meta conference about what they rolled out.

666
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,719
Speaker 1: It's like comical, how shitty it is?

667
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, the only two meta things I've ever liked is

668
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 3: Metal World Peace and how Meta are Doc seven was look?

669
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 3: I think that was the secret sauce in it.

670
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: Okay, that's probably fair. It's probably there.

671
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 3: Comyine event is Cubs Swanson as a plus one seventy underdog,

672
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 3: thirty eight years old, All Action Warrior, been to the

673
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 3: top before minus two hundred Jonathan Martinez, Luke, what are

674
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 3: we looking for in round one of this fight?

675
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: What does cubs power look like at one thirty five? Right,

676
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: that's what this fight's going to be. What does this

677
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: power look like, what does his speed look like? Also

678
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: his durability, what kind of range he and Martinez. I

679
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: feel like I feel like if Cubs it should depend

680
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: assuming he's not drained. I feel like if cubs power

681
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: is there and he's leveraging it, Martinez is going to

682
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: be lost. I really believe that's going to be lost

683
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: a little bit. But I don't I don't know what

684
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: the hell he's gonna look like in this weight class

685
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: at this age. It's like, you know, Aldo pulled it

686
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: off in his version of things, but he's not thirty eight.

687
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: So and Aldo obviously was a you know, I think

688
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: it's fair to say a much more accomplished combat sports athlete,

689
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: even though Cub has done quite well. But Cubb's calling

690
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: card at one forty five was say, you know, he

691
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: was a physical bruiser in the right matchups, he really

692
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: could be if you know, against this kind of competition

693
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: at one forty five in terms of like the kind

694
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: of things that Martinez has accomplished, Cubs should dust him off.

695
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: But I just don't know what to expect. So for me,

696
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: if Cubb doesn't have power at this weight class by

697
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: virtue being drained or doesn't have some of the durability

698
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: because also Cub's been in crazy ass fights too. Then

699
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: I think it's anyone's fight. But if he's got those

700
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: things down a weight class, I think he's gonna be troubled.

701
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 3: Can we talk about this decision though, because you know,

702
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 3: on the surface, you you you tend to whenever this

703
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: happens whatever a fighter, because almost it almost never happens

704
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 3: in boxing where someone who's aging goes backwards in wait,

705
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 3: so like when Nonido Donair did it and went back

706
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 3: to Bannamwaight and won world titles, was like at thirty eight,

707
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 3: it was like holy shit, right, I know what happens

708
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 3: more often than in May And although as you just mentioned,

709
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 3: although a little bit younger was the perfect example. But looke,

710
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 3: sometimes that happens when someone runs out of steam in

711
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 3: their division and just can't get over and if suffer

712
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 3: losses or sometimes they get kicked out, and this is

713
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 3: a desperation move. Kupet is on a streak in which

714
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 3: he's won three or four and that only loss it

715
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 3: was a first round TKO, but it was against Giga Chakadzi.

716
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 3: So do you look at that. I don't look at

717
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 3: this as desperate necessarily. But is it him saying I

718
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 3: want to maximize what's left in me if there is

719
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 3: a potential title run in place here, if I can

720
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 3: get hot and went off three to four in a row.

721
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: I think that's exactly what it is, because to your point,

722
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: it's not like he's doing like like, for example, Jim

723
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: Miller is doing really well right now, but Jim Miller

724
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,719
Speaker 1: is only taking a certain kind of fight. He's not

725
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: looking to fight the very top guys in lightweight anymore.

726
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: He's looking to fight just you know, hey, newcomer, a

727
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: couple guys, a couple of fights here or there, just

728
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: kind of like trying to make sure he's still got

729
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: a place to maintain in the hierarchy. But he's not

730
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: trying to ascend necessarily. Now. Cubb has beaten some good fighters,

731
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 1: but the elite ones like Gigachikazi at one forty five,

732
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: they've been a little bit too much for him. And

733
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: I think he probably saw Aldo go to one thirty five.

734
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: He's probably always thought I could make one thirty five

735
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: if I have to. Let's see what it does for me,

736
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: Like to what extent does this extend my fortunes? Because

737
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: if you want to take the Jim Miller approach. At

738
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: one forty five, he would still win. Quite clearly, he

739
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: would still win. But trying to ascend at one forty

740
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: five that does seem like a bridge too far. What

741
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: kind of fortunes does he have at one thirty five?

742
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 1: We will find out tomorrow night. But I think your

743
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: way of framing it like, hey, what could I do

744
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: if maybe guys like Aldo could go down there and

745
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: do pretty well? Could I also have, you know, some

746
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,439
Speaker 1: big possibilities down there? He's trying it out. I don't

747
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: know what to expect, but I'm curious.

748
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 3: Wool Is is. He doesn't have Jose's name power, and

749
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 3: he's walking into arguably the deepest division, not just right now,

750
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 3: but maybe maybe ever. As much as people hate that

751
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 3: we have to put that label on anything good that happens,

752
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 3: it's it's all pill battle, but if it's just also

753
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 3: to make fun fights and keep you know, get a

754
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 3: new pool guys, and let's see what he's gonna look like.

755
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 3: Don't forget Luke. It was just over a decade ago.

756
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 3: We're in a five month window. Cup Swanson knocked out

757
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 3: Charles Olavera and then took a decision from Dustin Poier.

758
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 3: So it's not that we forgot that this guy, you know,

759
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 3: was so close to greatness a few times. But it's

760
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 3: a good reminder of who this guy is. I mean,

761
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 3: that was in the midst of a six fight win

762
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 3: streak where he also beat Jeremy Stevens, Dennis sever Ross Pearson.

763
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 3: I mean, this guy was somebody before he became a

764
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 3: full time action hero as well, Luke, Let's see what

765
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 3: he's got left. What is Jonathan Martinez gonna provide in

766
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 3: terms of resistance as the betting favor.

767
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: Some potential better well roundedness he has built for his

768
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: offense can go the full fifteen when he needs to.

769
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: I think he's got He's got some he sent counter

770
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: striking if he wants, although I tend to think he

771
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: probably will lead here. We'll have to see. But like

772
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: you know, here's the thing about Martinez relative to Cub Swanson.

773
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: By the way, Cubs got a good ground game too.

774
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: I don't know that I see anything necessarily in Martinez's game,

775
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: but he as well coached, and again, he does have

776
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: a good kickboxing game. Potentially some of that some of

777
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: that kickboxing range. I wonder if that will be what

778
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: he has Overcub. But again, we're talking about a Cub

779
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: where his one forty five traits largely translate to one

780
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: thirty five. What would be the one thing I would

781
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: pick that Martinez has Overcub. Maybe some better kickboxing, right,

782
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: but that's really about it. Like ever, again, assuming what

783
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: we know about Cub largely translates to one thirty five,

784
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: Cubs should have significant advantages here. So that's the crazy part.

785
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: It's like, we just don't know what that draining process

786
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: is going to do to how we understand Cub. But

787
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: if he continues to be what we understand from him, dude,

788
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: he should go in there and bludge in this guy.

789
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: I very much believe that.

790
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm looking forward to this fight.

791
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 1: We'll see a out of Did you see Cub at

792
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: the press conference or excuse me, the media day? No,

793
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: So I don't quite understand this bit. He did a

794
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: media day where he stood there or I should say

795
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: sat there. He had sunglasses on. And by the way,

796
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: I've always had a good relationship with Cub, so I

797
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: like Cub a lot. He had another guy sit with

798
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: him and answer all the questions for him. Cub didn't

799
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: say a word, just sat there as he fielded questions

800
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: that the other guy answered for him. What what do

801
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: you make of that?

802
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 3: So the guy was answering without consulting, right like like, oh,

803
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 3: I'm his representative, I know him, so I'll answer for

804
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 3: him like that.

805
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: I only saw like photographs I didn't and then.

806
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't know. I'd have to see the

807
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 3: video to really catch the full like tenor of it.

808
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 3: And but is that a mind game that is cub

809
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 3: going into this or maybe that way cut sucks Luke,

810
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 3: that could also be it, but his cub going on

811
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 3: so you read?

812
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: Okay, do you remember when uh, when it was you

813
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: remember the guys from Key and Peel? Who's the bald one?

814
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: Who's the bald one from Key and Peel?

815
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 3: My Key?

816
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: Whatever? Do you remember when Obama when he was president?

817
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: I think Keegan Michael Key. Yeah, when he was at

818
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 1: the White House correspondence dinner and then Keegan Michael Key

819
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: pretended to be his anger translator. Do you remember that?

820
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 3: No? No, I don't, but they have that was supposed to.

821
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: Be a comedy bit blah blah blah. So apparently he

822
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 1: had his teammate be his his his how do I

823
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: say this? His anger translator for him quote Cub actually

824
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: started the way cut five months ago, blah blah blah,

825
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: and he goes through it. It was Dan Argetta who

826
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: was the gentleman who answered for him media protest.

827
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 3: I don't Yeah, I'm gonna have to watch that. I

828
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 3: don't know, but remember that Key and pell bid On,

829
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 3: Key and Peel. I don't even know how I can't

830
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 3: even talk to that. Look you know that bit I'm

831
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 3: talking about where one of them is playing a Mike

832
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 3: Tyson like boxer and they're at the press conference and

833
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 3: they're like talk trash on like a level of like

834
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 3: weird intimacy of like I'm going to take you home,

835
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make love to you, and it gets weirder

836
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 3: and weirder and weirder, and then by the end they're

837
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 3: there they are fing That's I don't think I've ever

838
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 3: laughed harder. I mean that, that's that's as good as

839
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 3: That's Chappelle's show level. Great inness right there.

840
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: Luke, Okay, they had some one they did the football players. Yeah,

841
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: most insane names.

842
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 3: Amazing, amazing stuff right there. Them smoking weed is a

843
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 3: great bit, says Long Island. Luke are fine, producer.

844
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: I mean, what would he know if we could be honest, would.

845
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 3: All right, Luke, we got to stay on task here.

846
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 3: Uh to close on the Ascar Askarov roy Valt situation,

847
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 3: I got to ask you about Askarov here. Uh, let's

848
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 3: not forget a few things. Luke heading into this, By

849
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 3: the way, I just watched his his media chat this

850
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 3: week and he was very confident and said, you know,

851
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 3: the France the car car Front's loss was his first

852
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 3: in his career. He had had a draw with Morino.

853
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 3: He'd been everything I said he was turning into being.

854
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 3: But you add this setback with recent history. I want

855
00:39:58,680 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 3: to ask you now, Luke, if we have a t

856
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 3: friend here. Because Askarov missed weight against Joseph Benavidez in

857
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 3: March of twenty twenty one, still won the fight. He

858
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 3: then lost to Kaikar France after a year long layoff,

859
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 3: and has been saying this week I wasn't in the

860
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 3: shape I needed to be to win that fight. I

861
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 3: came back too early. Well, now here's a fight with

862
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 3: Brandon Reyval where you could talk yourself into the idea

863
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 3: of a potential title shot. If he looks great, and

864
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 3: now he has missed weight and Royville has waved off

865
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 3: the fight completely. I mean this is is this three strikes?

866
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 3: Are we looking at ascar askrov as like, go up

867
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 3: to that cage of killers that we call bantam weight

868
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 3: or get the hell off the pot.

869
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: He might be he's thirty. He's thirty, right, and he

870
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: had a run through ACB from twenty fifteen to twenty eighteen.

871
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: He was a lot younger back then, right, And so

872
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: now he's up the point where his body has probably yeah, thirty,

873
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 1: it's certainly fully developed. He won't get necessarily any bigger

874
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: in the muscular sense, but well, if he goes with

875
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: a weight class I suppose, but he has certainly filled out.

876
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: And I think if you've missed weight in two of

877
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: three fights, you know you're not necessarily an aspen lad territory,

878
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: but you're not far from it either. You got some

879
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: questions to ask yourself again. It goes back to it,

880
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: can you consistently make weight in this weight class? And

881
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: if the answer is not yes, and it has not

882
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: been that way for now over a year, then you

883
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: got problems. Then you have some serious problems, and you

884
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: might have to move up, yeah, or maybe he Here's

885
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: the other part. A lot of these guys are like, Yeah,

886
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep making weight the way I made

887
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: it when I was twenty five. Well, bucko, you're thirty now.

888
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: It ain't the same. You might have to like tighten

889
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: up the procedure by which you make weight. I don't

890
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: know how he does it, so I am speculating. I

891
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 1: want to be very cool about be small.

892
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,479
Speaker 3: He'll be small for that, right, I mean he's very small.

893
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: So that's that's what I'm saying. Like I really wonder

894
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: about what his methods are to get down to this

895
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: weight class.

896
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. He's got a moment of truth coming up.

897
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 3: There's no question he was a minus two forty favorite.

898
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 3: I think, you know before this happened. So even though

899
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 3: I thought, you know, he could lose this fight against

900
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 3: Roy val who also but maybe that's so is that

901
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 3: a business decision by Roy Valve to say I'm fighting

902
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 3: a guy who some people, you know, a lot of

903
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 3: people think will beat me. And he's already weight bullied

904
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 3: before and done this to Benavidez and still won and

905
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 3: just gave up part of his purse. I'm not gonna

906
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 3: let him do that to me in my biggest fight, Right,

907
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 3: that's what I think.

908
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: I think that's exactly right, and I understand that. You

909
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 1: see this, by the way, tell me if I'm wrong, BCE,

910
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: true or false. When an opponent misses weight, you see

911
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: more guys decline fights in boxing than you do MMA.

912
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: Is that true?

913
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 3: Yes, that is true, right.

914
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: And I think I understand it. I understand it, like

915
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,479
Speaker 1: you're giving up a significant advantage. Now, he didn't miss

916
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: much when he fought Benavidez. It was one twenty seven.

917
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: All he would have had to do is get down

918
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: one more pound and he would have been inside that

919
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: one pound allowance for non title fights. So it wasn't

920
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: a dramatic miss. We don't know what he weighed here.

921
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: Let's imagine, and again, I want to be one hundred

922
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: percent clear I am speculating, but let's imagine a scenario

923
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: where it was like one twenty eight, one twenty nine.

924
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: You know, Yvil must have been like, yo, fuck that,

925
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not giving you this advantage, bro, no

926
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: chance about this. So frankly, if that, if that's the reason,

927
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: I think Royville is well within his rights to have

928
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,479
Speaker 1: denied this opportunity. To ask Rov.

929
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, Askarov not getting the raw dog tonight, Luke or Saturday. Okay,

930
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 3: that's the truth, Luke. I don't think I have enough

931
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 3: a lot of time to hang in this undercard longer.

932
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 3: But tell me what you want to tell me about

933
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:16,919
Speaker 3: the rest of this card.

934
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: Well, again, the askarof fight I was. I was really

935
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: interested in it because the Askarov and Rouval fight, if

936
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: you go back to like the Royvale and Bonteren fight,

937
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: there was a split decision to win for Rouval because

938
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: you know what's interesting about Rouval's style is he gives

939
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: it the takedown and certain positions a lot, and Bonteren

940
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: in terms of positional grappling was just much better than Rouvale,

941
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: much much better, like clearly on a different level. But

942
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: because Rouville is so fucking threatening and squirmy, he had

943
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: no ground and pound. I wonder if something would have

944
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 1: happened in a similar way with a guy like Askarov.

945
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: But if he's going to be on top of you

946
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: and he's got that extra weight, I can see why

947
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: Rouval moved on from there. I will tell you candidly,

948
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: my interest level drops off a cliff. As I mentioned before,

949
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 1: tetsu Uro Tyra is an interesting prospect out of Valetudo Japan.

950
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 1: He's back on this card. He's undefeated the last hurrah

951
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: of half El Sunsaw also BC. We'd be remiss if

952
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 1: we didn't mention Nick Maximov, who continues to call out

953
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 1: I don't understand why he continues to call out Hamzat

954
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 1: Chimayev and now Bo Nickel. He's taken on Jacob Malcoun.

955
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: He is slightly favored, but you know, he got handled

956
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: in this last UFC fight by a guy who I

957
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: would say is good, but probably not even close to

958
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: the level of Chimaya. If he still has all the

959
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: confidence in the world, she can be guys.

960
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 3: He got choked out Maximum Petrovsky I think is his name.

961
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 3: He's so Maximov is a slight betting favorite here. It

962
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 3: will be interesting to see how he bounces back. Luke

963
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 3: because uh Andre Petrowski is.

964
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: What long island Lucas telling you is Petrowski?

965
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 3: Yes, because uh you know, look, if you've got he

966
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 3: does the two O nine routine. Great, It's obvious he's

967
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,919
Speaker 3: got some skill and not a complete package by any means,

968
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 3: but he'd get prot You can get prime placement in

969
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 3: the in the Hango of the DA Shadow, right.

970
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you know, he obviously is a

971
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: good grappler, but you know, you're like he, I don't

972
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: quite get how losing the way he got submitted inside

973
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: the first round against Petrowski number one, and it's not

974
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: clear that he's got, like other parts of his game

975
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: developed enough for this level. Certainly, his grappling is very good.

976
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: I will give him that, it is very, very good.

977
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: But you're calling out like guys who are at the

978
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: very front of the or you know, the Nickels not

979
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: but certainly the case of Tramaia of the front of

980
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: this division. It's like, dude, there's a while that you

981
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: have to wait and prove before you're even in like

982
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: the ballpark of calling out those guys.

983
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no question about it.

984
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 6: Uh.

985
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 3: Part time videographer back to full time fighter Mike Jackson,

986
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 3: who's in the curtain Jerker, Luke, he'll be a plus

987
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 3: four to seventy five betting underdog against Pete Rodriguez. So

988
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 3: it's rare that you're gonna get me to tune in

989
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 3: that early, Luke. I'll be I'll be ready, I'll be watching. Okay,

990
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 3: the Scumbag MMA media needs to win, Luke, Okay.

991
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 1: Yes, the dirt bags who just can't do anything other

992
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: than criticize. They are gonna be back.

993
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 3: So right, big weekend globally for boxing. This is the

994
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 3: time for you Mma hard course to take an exit.

995
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 3: Thank you, though first soliciting us. Topic two goes to

996
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 3: the box. We're gonna start with the biggest one state

997
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 3: side and it is PBC on Fox pay per view

998
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 3: from the Barclay Center in Brooklyn, the return of the

999
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 3: bronze bomber, Deontay Wilder. He's got a statue in Tuscaluska

1000
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 3: that he's already made sweet love to. But as we

1001
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 3: talked to him about that was that was a big

1002
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 3: part of the idea of this comeback. We haven't seen

1003
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 3: him since last September in that all action thriller, the

1004
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 3: third fight against Tyson Fury, in which wild they're sold out.

1005
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 3: But Luke, that has coincided with him feeling the love.

1006
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 3: He used the term I finally got my flowers. He

1007
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 3: feels like boxing finally respects him. He's still going to

1008
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 3: talk about the conspiracy of Tyson Fury loading up his

1009
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 3: gloves and doing eighteen other ways of cheating which is

1010
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 3: still going to turn him off in a way to

1011
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 3: the general public, just like firing as co trainer for

1012
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 3: throwing in the towel and then accusing him of drugging him.

1013
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 3: Mark Brilan rip in the corner there, Luke could be it.

1014
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 3: Mark Brilyan should be in the Hall of Fame. By

1015
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 3: the way, that's a separate topic for another day. But

1016
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 3: let's go here. What'd you say?

1017
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: You said, Rip.

1018
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 3: Rip have hit him in the corner? I didn't mean

1019
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 3: in life. He's still living, but I'd like to see

1020
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 3: him in canas Noda. But let's go to Saturday's fight.

1021
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 3: It's the man event of this pay per view. Wilder

1022
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 3: will welcome the very dangerous former sparring partner Robert Helenius.

1023
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 3: They've done a bunch of camps together. They're both about

1024
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 3: six seven, both can club. But Wilder is expected to

1025
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 3: make magic happen Luke, like he often does. This is

1026
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 3: the same ring where he splattered the big dude what

1027
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 3: was his name, Luke the x zeal the ex quarterback Brazil, Yes,

1028
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 3: Dominic Brazil. As we look at the odds minus eight hundred,

1029
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 3: Wilder to do just that again plus five hundred for

1030
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 3: Robert Helenius, are you on the side that says we're

1031
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 3: all excited to see Wilder come back. Yes, this will

1032
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 3: probably be a knockout, so doubyes we're here. But do

1033
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 3: you think, given their history and given that Robert Hailnius

1034
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 3: has been up and down, that this is a pay

1035
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 3: per view set up for Wilder to look spectacular or

1036
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 3: is this a more dangerous fight than the casual fan

1037
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 3: can realize.

1038
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: I definitely think it's a setup. I think that PBC

1039
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: really value Deontay Wilder. I think they're very glad he's

1040
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: back and they couldn't give him some scrub, and they didn't.

1041
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: They gave him a very good challenge in Robert Helenius,

1042
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 1: as we all know, who has a history as a

1043
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: training slash sparring partner with him, and Hellnius can box.

1044
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: In terms of overall boxing ability, he's probably better than Deontay,

1045
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: but that's true for just about everyone Deontay has fought,

1046
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 1: and it doesn't seem to matter. I don't think it

1047
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: will matter here in the end. I think this is

1048
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: this is a good get right fight, This is a

1049
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 1: good get back fight, This is a good setup fight.

1050
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: This is a good fight where if Wilder has coasted

1051
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,479
Speaker 1: and is just fucking off and thinks he's just gonna

1052
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 1: walk in there and win without having to train properly,

1053
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: then he might actually lose. But if he is at

1054
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: all the Wilder that we have traditionally understood him to be,

1055
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: he should knock out Helenius. I think by the seventh

1056
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,439
Speaker 1: or eighth round something along around that point. He does

1057
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: take his time a little bit and wait in certain

1058
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: spots these days, and I just don't see how Helenius

1059
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: can withstand the punching power of this guy. I don't

1060
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: think anyone can, but that would include Hellnius.

1061
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 3: Well, Helenius is thirty eight, but obviously at heavyweight. We

1062
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 3: never panic at this age. We talked on Wednesday, how

1063
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 3: a decade ago he was this bright prospect. Well, let's

1064
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 3: give him credit for rebuilding a bit after some really

1065
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 3: questionable knockout losses to guys he should have beaten. He

1066
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 3: has won three in a row, two times, stopping previously

1067
00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 3: unbeaten Adam Kovnatchki. But the history between the two who

1068
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 3: does could scare you if you believe Wilder, who says, look,

1069
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 3: I'm blessing a guy that I respect is doing this

1070
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 3: because he knows the guy and knows his weaknesses here.

1071
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 3: But before I get to some sound from Wilder about

1072
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 3: what he does know about Helenius, I want to find out, Luke,

1073
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 3: if what happened on the scale just now changes your

1074
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 3: it changes anything here. Deontay Wilder weight in at two

1075
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 3: fourteen and a half and for reference, that's twenty three

1076
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 3: and a half pounds lighter than he was last September

1077
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 3: against Tyson Fury. Not to be fair, Wilder purposely put

1078
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 3: on bulk and weight, knowing that that Fury could lean

1079
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,959
Speaker 3: all over him and they put on an all action war.

1080
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 3: Deontay has been in the two fifteen, two seventeen area,

1081
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 3: you know, the first Luis Ortiz fight in the past.

1082
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 3: What does that say to you?

1083
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 1: Though?

1084
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 3: Twenty three and a half pound difference about where his

1085
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 3: head is at coming into this.

1086
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: That is interesting. But you already kind of stole my thunder,

1087
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: which was that you know, remember the all those weight

1088
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 1: training videos he had where a he was wearing gloves,

1089
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: which was just what the fuck are we doing, Deontay.

1090
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: That's the first problem. The second problem was he was

1091
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: trying to bulk up as much as he could for

1092
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: about like that against Tyson Fury to give just maximum

1093
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: punching power and everything he could into it, which I think,

1094
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: you know, given his skills and what he was up against,

1095
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: probably made some sense. You know, You're just not up

1096
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: up against that with Helnius first of all, like absent,

1097
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: what was he against Berman Staverne. I don't know if

1098
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: we have those, but I think I recall Wilder being

1099
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 1: much much lighter, right, like the fact that at two fourteen,

1100
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: I would argue, is much closer. Yeah, so here we

1101
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: have it for uh, let's see for the Stevern fight.

1102
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: Stevern was I think two thirty six and Wilder I'm

1103
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: trying to find it here.

1104
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 3: I got it in front of me. Luca Wilder in

1105
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 3: the remain Stevern rematch in twenty seventeen was two twenty

1106
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 3: and a half.

1107
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's you know, a little bit lighter than that.

1108
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: It's light. It's light. I'm not sure what to make

1109
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: of it. In activity, doesn't feel like he needs to

1110
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: be that heavy to still have his punching power. Wants

1111
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: to be able to be mobile and move. That could

1112
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 1: be a part of it as well, I have to say, though,

1113
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: even at two fourteen, versus two thirty whatever, I still

1114
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: think he's gonna have just ridiculous punching power. So I don't,

1115
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't. It could matter opponent dependent,

1116
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 1: but in this case, I don't think that this will

1117
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: be the deciding factor whether he wins or loses.

1118
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 3: Okay, the lowest Wilder has been in recent memory was

1119
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 3: the first Fury fight in twenty eighteen. He was two

1120
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 3: twelve and a half. Right, he would slowly gain weight

1121
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 3: in that rival, where he was two thirty one in

1122
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 3: the second one, two thirty eight in the most recent one.

1123
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 3: But in between that he felt or chieze a second time,

1124
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,919
Speaker 3: and he was two nineteen and a half. So maybe

1125
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,760
Speaker 3: it's not that much of a departure helenius two fifty

1126
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 3: three and three quarters. I believe so right about where

1127
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 3: he typically is. But we call it. We chatted, excuse me,

1128
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 3: Luke and I with Deontay Wilder always an interesting conversation

1129
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 3: because of his charisma, because he's not afraid to tell

1130
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 3: you about any conspiracies he's got cooking. But here's his thoughts.

1131
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 3: I'm the challenge he's gonna expect from his foreign former

1132
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 3: sparring partner.

1133
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 5: And He's always been a great grad guy to prepare

1134
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 5: me for for any opponent that I that I may

1135
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 5: face during that time, and he's there. But one thing

1136
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 5: about Robert that I love about him and I can

1137
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 5: relate to him, is that he have a warrior heart,

1138
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 5: you know. And when you have a warrior heart, you

1139
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 5: know you'll fight to the end. You're gonna go off

1140
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 5: for your shield. And that's how he is as well.

1141
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 5: He fights to the end, you know, no matter what.

1142
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 5: When the tough get going, he get tougher. And I

1143
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 5: love that about him. So when this fight comes October

1144
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,479
Speaker 5: to fifteenth, that what people are gonna see.

1145
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: I don't want people to think.

1146
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 5: That, oh, he's my sparing partner, or Wilder saying he

1147
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 5: loves and he respects him, that it's not gonna be

1148
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 5: a great fight, because that's not true. I am one

1149
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 5: or few fighters, you know, if not the only one

1150
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 5: that can turn it on and turn it off, you know,

1151
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 5: meaning that I could turn it off outside of the

1152
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 5: ring where I come in peace, but when the inside

1153
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 5: of the ring, I could transform into a beast. And

1154
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 5: that's what I said I do October fifteen. I don't

1155
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 5: I don't want people to to to to to think

1156
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 5: that this is not going to be a great fight.

1157
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: This is gonna be a war. You understand me.

1158
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 5: This is going to be amazing fight while it lasts,

1159
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 5: and you know when the bronze bomber is in the ring.

1160
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 5: I have people on the edge of the seat because

1161
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 5: you don't know what's gonna happen.

1162
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 3: I think he's right, Luke. I expect him to win

1163
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 3: by a knockout. I expect both to take big shots,

1164
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 3: and I expect to be entertained from spart start to

1165
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 3: finish come Saturday night. Yeah.

1166
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: I was looking at Deontay there like a parent having

1167
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: their kid explain why they had bad grades. I don't

1168
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 1: know why I had that stupid look on my face,

1169
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: but I agree that you know he's got again. We

1170
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: all have. We're just used to Deontay doing to this

1171
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: day and being angry and all that stuff. But he can.

1172
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: He will still give you a they're a good fight

1173
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 1: even when that's not the case. And I think we're

1174
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: gonna get that here with Robert Hillnius. I'm excited about

1175
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: this fight.

1176
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 3: So a couple extra facts from that interview. If you're

1177
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 3: wondering what Wilder's future could look like. He says he's

1178
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 3: ready for the final three years of his career. He

1179
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 3: believes Alexander Ussik will be at this fight. He said

1180
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 3: his first piece of business if he wins on Saturday,

1181
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,760
Speaker 3: would be to fight Usik. If he can convince Usik

1182
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 3: to do this, and obviously with Tyson Fury's weirdness of late,

1183
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 3: it could be in play. That could be early next year.

1184
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 3: That would be a fight a lot of people would

1185
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 3: be interested in. The other one is Andy Ruiz Junior.

1186
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 3: Obviously they're both of the PBC. Wilders said, those are

1187
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 3: the two fights he is looking for. If he wins

1188
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,439
Speaker 3: here and does what we expect him to looke both,

1189
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 3: you can't lose an either path, right. I mean, this

1190
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 3: is great. Having Wilder back is fun. It matters. I mean,

1191
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 3: is he has he been overrated at times in his career, Yes,

1192
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,399
Speaker 3: but he also has ten title defenses at heavyweight. That's

1193
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,760
Speaker 3: fifth all time. Like I know, he there wasn't always

1194
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,240
Speaker 3: killers for him to fight. He never got to fight Joshua,

1195
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 3: but the guy goes after it. He's fun as balls.

1196
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 3: It's not impossible he wears a world title again here.

1197
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: It's just not It's not I will say I don't

1198
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 1: love the fact that the fight's on pay per view,

1199
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: which you know, they can't make the fight without it

1200
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: being on pay per view because Deontay costs so much,

1201
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: which I understand. Still, this fight, to me, it's a

1202
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 1: very good quality fight, but it still would be the

1203
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: kind of fight I prefer to have on free TV.

1204
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 1: But you know that out of the way. Other than that, BC,

1205
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 1: I really just don't have any complaints about the fight.

1206
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 3: All right, Thank you very much. Check out our interview

1207
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 3: with Deontay for more. We talked about this undercard coming in,

1208
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 3: but the only boat I want to focus here on

1209
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 3: is an important one at one sixty eight, and that

1210
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 3: cole Main Caleb Plant, fresh off of losing to Canela Alvarez,

1211
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 3: having the first child with Jordan Hardy. Plant of PBC

1212
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 3: broadcasting fame as well. This is a big fight against

1213
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 3: the former champion, Anthony Durell, former two time champion, who's

1214
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 3: fresh off his own performance on that Canelo card when

1215
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 3: he delivered a knockout of the Year contender. In reality, here,

1216
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 3: Luke Drell's in his late thirties. Plant has that speed

1217
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 3: in boxing IQ that these odds are gonna be these

1218
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 3: odds for a reason. And right now, according to Caesar's

1219
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 3: it's minus twelve hundred for Caleb Plant plus seven hundred

1220
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 3: Anthony Darrell. But you know, the Wilder fight could could

1221
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 3: end up being competitive. There's a possibility. I think it's

1222
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 3: much more likely that Darrell's competitive in this comin event.

1223
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 3: Do you have any kind of confidence that this is,

1224
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 3: you know, a somewhat interesting fight as it breaks out?

1225
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: Early early? I think so. And by the way, Durrell

1226
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: was training with Phil Deru, who was formerly like an

1227
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: att trainer. Now he has his own training center in Florida,

1228
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: and I saw Durell was working with him, and I think, yeah,

1229
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: he's Poirier's guy. He's now Kevin Lee's guy. He trains Timbaland,

1230
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: but he's trained a lot of fighters and he's got

1231
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: him in good shape very early. So I you know,

1232
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: I'm expecting a pretty decent Durel here. I just think

1233
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: at this stage with where Drell is at. And by

1234
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: the way, I remember he was like I'm gonna fight Canelo,

1235
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: I'm not fight anyone after his last win, and we're like,

1236
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: well that didn't last very long. So here he is.

1237
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: But I just think Caleb Plant's too slick. I really do.

1238
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,439
Speaker 1: I think Kayleb Plant's way too slick. We talked about

1239
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: it on Wednesday. The guy's got a chip on his shoulder.

1240
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: He's out there if he thinks the whole world is

1241
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: against them. Sometimes in many ways they are. And I

1242
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: just it's hard for me to see, like what Darrell's

1243
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: going to do to over the course of twelve rounds

1244
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: better than Caleb Planny. I mean, I think he hits harder,

1245
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: but I think he's got a finding him.

1246
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 3: He's got a linger, and he's got to hope to

1247
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 3: land something big late. Because look, the back and far

1248
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 3: I could have played videos with them. Trash talking was

1249
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 3: actually pretty fun this week, the back and forth while

1250
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 3: they're in uh Hilenius or Boys. These two though, have

1251
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 3: been going out and as we established on Wednesday, it

1252
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 3: seems like Kayleb Plant gets into that with every opponent.

1253
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 3: People want to hate this guy for some reason. But

1254
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 3: where Durell was hating this week of just saying, look like,

1255
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 3: you talk a big game, but you haven't been anybody

1256
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 3: and Luke, that was part of the narrative coming into

1257
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 3: the Canelo fight. We still have played that narrative to

1258
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 3: a degree because Plant earned getting to that spot. This

1259
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 3: was Canlo was trying to make history. It was a

1260
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 3: big deal in Plant, to his credit, look as a

1261
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 3: big underdog. We thought there were areas that he could

1262
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 3: have moments there. But there were times that he's been

1263
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 3: featured of late PBC, on Fox, the Mike Lee fight.

1264
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 3: You know, he's been given sort of big opportunities, but

1265
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 3: has he beaten as many proven guys at one sixty

1266
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 3: eight to give you full confidence? Well, no, to be fair,

1267
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 3: and the big fight where he won the title against Uzskatagi.

1268
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 3: You know he was he was in some danger down

1269
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 3: the stretch of that fight. If Durrell can linger, he's

1270
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 3: gonna have that puncher's chance. But skill for skill, round

1271
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 3: for round. This should be Caleb Plant showing us that

1272
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 3: the time off after the Canelo fight only made him

1273
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 3: more motivated to come out there. He switched things up

1274
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 3: a bit. I forgot who did he get a as

1275
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 3: a trainer in this corner. I I saw him on

1276
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 3: social media.

1277
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: He was posting with Team Gary Russ so recently.

1278
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 3: Okay, I forgot specifically who I saw him working with

1279
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 3: on social media, But I mean he just it just

1280
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 3: looks to be like he's got that eye of the

1281
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 3: tiger again. This fight's important. It would be a needed

1282
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 3: name for him in Durrell. And obviously we're looking to

1283
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 3: the future toward David Benavidez, toward maybe Jamal Charlow when

1284
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 3: he moves up, maybe Canelo if he comes back in

1285
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 3: the picture. A lot of big fights to make. But

1286
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 3: for Caleb Plant, it could be get through this one

1287
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 3: and we might start banging the drum for him against Benavidez.

1288
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 3: They hate each other even more than it seems like

1289
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 3: anybody else hates Caleb Plant right now. But I like

1290
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 3: this fight. I think Caleb Plant gets it done. But

1291
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 3: watch closely. If Durell's still there around through you know,

1292
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 3: not rounds nine through twelve. That's the area where when

1293
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 3: Plant slows down a bit, can Durrell set him up

1294
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 3: and hit him with some shots that could change the momentum.

1295
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 3: But either way, let's see what happens. There a couple

1296
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 3: other fights worth noting, but we've got to keep this

1297
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 3: train moving, Luke, Topic number three, staying in boxing, It's

1298
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 3: gonna go down on ESPN Saturday night, ten thirty pm

1299
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 3: Eastern is the main event or the main card. Excuse me,

1300
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 3: when Devin the Dream Haney the Underspeed, a lightweight champion

1301
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 3: twenty three years old, he beat George Camposis Junior pretty

1302
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 3: soundly just four months ago. They're back in the contractually mandatory,

1303
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 3: obligated rematch whatever you want to call it, Melbourne, Australia,

1304
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 3: the same side as the first one, but we're not

1305
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 3: in Marvel Stadium here rod Labor Tennis Arena. So Thomas, Yeah,

1306
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 3: it does say a lot in Neither guy's really been

1307
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 3: overly selling it either. To be fair, it feels like

1308
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,919
Speaker 3: everybody's just like, well, we'll do it again. Look last time, Luke,

1309
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 3: they were both unbeaten. Camposa is just being tail femo like.

1310
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 3: There was reason to make this a big event in

1311
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 3: Australia and it was until Haney sucked the entertainment in

1312
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,479
Speaker 3: life out of it. So, Luke, that's really the only

1313
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 3: question coming in here. Yeah, we get to see Haney

1314
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 3: fight and he's either in your top ten pound for

1315
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:54,959
Speaker 3: pound or about to leap in that pool. He thinks

1316
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 3: he might be fighter of the Year if he wins

1317
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 3: here and wins spectacularly. I don't know about that, but

1318
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 3: you get that point. What the hell can Cambosos do

1319
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 3: differently to actually make this a fight? And is he

1320
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 3: capable of that, Luke? Or was that tale female night,

1321
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 3: the perfect store in, the perfect night, the perfect performance,

1322
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 3: the perfect weakened opponent across from you. You give me

1323
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 3: the truth about what's gonna happen Saturday.

1324
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: The truth is I'm not gonna watch this because I

1325
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: don't give a shit about this fight. If I can

1326
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: just be very clear about that, listen, It's certainly is

1327
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: possible that Cambosis could do something here. Catch Haney. I mean,

1328
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: I've I've seen I can't remember which fight it was.

1329
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: It was on his own. Someone caught Hani in w

1330
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: I think the tenth round.

1331
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 3: Of a fight for Hey Lenaris.

1332
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 1: It was Lenaris. Lenares kind of rocked his shit a

1333
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: little bit, and you know, Hani had to kind of

1334
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: hold on and recover and he and and ride out

1335
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: the fight, which he did he did. But I've seen

1336
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: Hani hurt is the answer. I've seen Haney hurt quite badly.

1337
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,760
Speaker 1: It certainly seems possible that Cambosis could could try a

1338
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: more aggressive approach, could try some other kind of way

1339
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: to get out of the way of the jab of

1340
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 1: Devin Haney, and I suspect on some level he probably will,

1341
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: especially early. But in the end, we're talking about guys,

1342
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: and boxing can be wild. But in the end, dude,

1343
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: here's just the fucking reality. We are talking about guys

1344
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: with very different levels of ability. We just are, man,

1345
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: We're talking about guys with very very different levels of ability.

1346
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 1: Hani is up here and Cambosis is not. He's not. Now.

1347
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean Cambosas is garbage. It doesn't mean he's bad,

1348
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean he sucks. He is a good fighter,

1349
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 1: and we were wrong about him, as we've talked about

1350
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 1: a million times now, when he was fighting Lopez, whatever

1351
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: state Lopez was in, we still underrated Cambosis fair enough.

1352
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 1: I didn't think much of him at that point. I

1353
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: certainly have much more respect for him now. But Hani is,

1354
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 1: you know, a prodigy basically, and in the first fight,

1355
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: he didn't have a very exciting approach. It was clinching

1356
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: and jabbing and not a whole lot else, and dude,

1357
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: Cambosis had no answer for it whatsoever. He might have

1358
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: a marginally better one here, it might produce marginally better

1359
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: results for him, but the strongest likelihood in so far

1360
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: as we were able to tell, is that this is

1361
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: a waste of everyone's time except for Hani to get

1362
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 1: a paycheck and maybe, you know, Cambosis to get another

1363
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: big fight where all the titles are on the line.

1364
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: Short of that, I don't know what the fuck is

1365
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:23,600
Speaker 1: the appeal of this contest. I really don't.

1366
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 3: Well, everybody's getting paid, it's what Hani had to do.

1367
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 1: Like what's in it for the customer?

1368
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the great question. I don't even think there's

1369
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 3: a lot in it for the Australian Luke. I mean,

1370
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 3: you know, you got to like whatever royalty and you

1371
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 3: know regal in this that first fight had because four

1372
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 3: belts at stake, two ue beaten guys, we're going to

1373
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 3: Australia Like that's all gone, it's all gone. And Luke

1374
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 3: looking back, so here's the deal. I felt that that

1375
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 3: was like ten rounds to two, eleven rounds to one,

1376
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 3: and I didn't think there was really any moments that

1377
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 3: Cambosis sort of crossed that line and was really in it.

1378
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 3: But the judges scored it. One judge had a ten

1379
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 3: rounds to two, but the other two had sixteen twelve

1380
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 3: and that's eight rounds to four. So what does that

1381
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:07,560
Speaker 3: tell you if the idea for Cambosis here. And I'm

1382
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 3: gonna go on record saying I don't think I think

1383
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:11,479
Speaker 3: he held back that first fight. I think he tried

1384
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:14,840
Speaker 3: to out mix aggressiveness without boxing. Haney got to a

1385
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 3: point where he realized it wasn't gonna happen, did not

1386
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 3: want to risk a knockout so that nobody would care

1387
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 3: about this second fight, and said, look, I'll come out

1388
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 3: differently this time around. That's just what I think it is.

1389
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 3: And even in the in the face off they had

1390
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 3: on Australian TV a couple of days ago, you know,

1391
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 3: Cambos is like, well, that's last fight. This is the

1392
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 3: only fight that matters now of the of the two,

1393
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 3: and it's like that doesn't that doesn't tell me anything

1394
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 3: great either, you know what I mean.

1395
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 1: Like he's like, that's remember remember this for just a second.

1396
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: We haven't even talked about this. Cambosis missed wait the

1397
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 1: first time, and then you know, eventually made it or whatever.

1398
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: But like in the fucking media interviews he was like, yeah,

1399
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: Moine games, Moine Games. I'm like, dude, missing weight is

1400
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 1: not the art of war, Like, what the fuck? Are

1401
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: you talking about like this is you're just saying words

1402
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 1: and hoping that people will buy the confidence, when in fact,

1403
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 1: if you look at the words, they mean nothing. You know,

1404
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 1: like he's just fucking weird.

1405
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 3: Hani would gone to outland him according to CompuBox one

1406
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 3: forty seven to one hundred. So you know it was

1407
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 3: clear there, but it wasn't something necessarily absurd. But my

1408
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 3: question to you, Luke, regarding this is if two of

1409
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 3: those three judges who Again, when you're that close, you

1410
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 3: are watching the fighter who's bringing the fight to the other.

1411
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 3: And I guess in theory, cambosis is the aggressor of

1412
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 3: the tusso in that fight, he's always sort of coming forward,

1413
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 3: even if he wasn't taking the same type of risks

1414
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 3: he took against Lopez. Is there a scenario in which Hani,

1415
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 3: if you're gonna give him any criticism, it's that he's

1416
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 3: safety first. Yes, And he's not a huge trash talker, right.

1417
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 3: I believe in his power when when someone's crossing that

1418
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 3: line and coming into him. I believe in his chin enough.

1419
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 3: I think you know, he survived that test against Lenaris,

1420
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 3: like you mentioned, and when you're that good, we're looking

1421
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 3: for anything to tell that you're not that good. Is

1422
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 3: there a scenario where Hane's controlling him so well from

1423
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 3: the outside, but Cambosis is a little more aggressive. Let's

1424
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 3: say he's targeting the body, He's making it more of

1425
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 3: a fight, and Hani may may back himself into like

1426
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 3: a majority decision here by accident here. Is there any

1427
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 3: scenario there in which Cambosis, just on aggression alone can

1428
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 3: maybe surprise us.

1429
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I think that is possible. In fact, I

1430
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 1: think that actually might be likely. Like the idea that like, oh,

1431
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: for example, you've heard Hani say, well, if you know,

1432
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 1: if Cambosis gets more aggressive, that's great for me. I

1433
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: think you brought this up on Wednesday, but I saw

1434
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 1: him talk about it as well, like if he gets

1435
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 1: more aggressive, great, I have more opportunity to hit him.

1436
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 1: I tend to think that that's not what Hane's going

1437
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 1: to do unless it's like a wide open you know,

1438
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 1: like there's just no cost to do, just free shot basically,

1439
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 1: because I think what's going to happen is He's going

1440
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 1: to outclass him early and then Cambosis is this time

1441
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 1: going to take more risks. Some of that will pay off,

1442
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 1: and then Hani will just not coast exactly, but he's

1443
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 1: not gonna try and put him away, just kind of

1444
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 1: just slowly diffuse the bomb as best he could for

1445
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 1: the rest of that five If that means holding on

1446
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: and clinching and being boring whatever else he has to,

1447
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 1: he will. He's not in that stage of his career

1448
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 1: BC where he's just gonna punt and fight like a

1449
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 1: dumbass in order to give away everything that he has earned. Simply,

1450
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 1: We're not going to do that.

1451
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 3: It's not who he is, first of all. And I

1452
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:21,640
Speaker 3: think whatever, you know, there's all. I think him and

1453
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 3: Shiker Stevenson are the only guys that ever get Floyd

1454
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 3: comparisons right now, because I don't think you should, by

1455
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 3: the way, and Floyd's I mean, Flo's so fucking great,

1456
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 3: it's ridiculous, right, But you know, for Hainey, it's that

1457
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:33,280
Speaker 3: ability to just suck the entertainment out of it and

1458
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:35,599
Speaker 3: control it. That's who he is. So I don't think

1459
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 3: there's a lot, there's really a ton to gain unless

1460
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 3: he's going for that Fighter of the Year by purposely

1461
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 3: focusing on that knockout. You know, it's on ESPN, But

1462
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 3: people aren't overly joyed he's gonna have to go out

1463
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 3: there and do it again. I think I think he

1464
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:49,720
Speaker 3: does it even easier. Let's hear his thoughts on what

1465
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 3: his expectations are for the rematch.

1466
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 4: I mean I had no choice. I signed up for it,

1467
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 4: you know, not once, but twice, so you know, it's

1468
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 4: mentally for it. After the first one, ready to do it,

1469
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,560
Speaker 4: do it again, do it again. So we'll do what

1470
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 4: we're doing it again. And I'm excited for it.

1471
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 3: When you look back at that first night June fifth,

1472
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 3: Marvel Stadium in Melbourne, Uh, you shut a lot of

1473
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 3: people up. I mean there was there was a lot

1474
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 3: of buzz from that fight because you shut Cambosis down.

1475
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 3: How it looked easy? How easy was it for you

1476
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 3: in there?

1477
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:28,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was easy because I made it easy in there.

1478
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:31,559
Speaker 4: And uh, Autorpia team you looks to do the same.

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Speaker 1: You know.

1480
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Speaker 7: I just feel like I'm you know, on a different

1481
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 7: level than Cambos's and once again I will handicap him

1482
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 7: to you know, make him look like he's, you know,

1483
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 7: a average fighter, like he's a regular fighter, which he's not,

1484
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 7: but I will I will make him look like that.

1485
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Speaker 4: On Ourturer fifteen, once.

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Speaker 3: Again, I think that's the best way to say he No,

1487
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 3: Cambos is not an average fighter. But unless he's willing

1488
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 3: to take monster chances, and even if he does take

1489
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 3: too many chances to make it knocked out, that's what

1490
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 3: Haney does. Apologies to Hany on us having his name

1491
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:07,679
Speaker 3: misspelled through that entire interview and nobody realizing it until Yeah,

1492
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 3: all right, well that happened. But you can check out

1493
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 3: more morning YouTube dot com slash Morning Combat with more

1494
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 3: from Devin, a lot of good chat about his future.

1495
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 3: That division, all those big names minus eight hundred right now,

1496
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:23,599
Speaker 3: it's Caesar sports book. Is Hany plus five fifty Cambosis, Luke,

1497
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 3: you want him against lomanext That good for you?

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01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where I would like to go. I'd like

1499
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 1: to go into about where there's some genuine intrigue and

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01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 1: fighters of roughly commensurate ability.

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01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 3: All right, there you go, the Luke Thomas Special. You

1502
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 3: know what is commensuratet ability? This all historic women's card

1503
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 3: that's going to go down on ESPN plus Saturday afternoon

1504
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 3: two thirty pm Eastern time here on the East Coast.

1505
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 3: But it's a big deal in London and it should

1506
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 3: be We've got two matchups in particular, unified or undisputed

1507
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:58,720
Speaker 3: titles at stake, competitive as heck in the odds, and

1508
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 3: saucy as shit balls in the anger and spiciness between them.

1509
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 3: Luke also some of the best pound for pound fighters

1510
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 3: in the women's game. Let's start that main event. You're

1511
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 3: under your unified excuse me, middleweight champion Clorissa Shields taking

1512
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 3: on former amateur rival and Belltolder herself in Savannah Marshall. Luke,

1513
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 3: the storyline could not could not be any better right

1514
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 3: now when you consider both our twelve and zero, both

1515
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:31,680
Speaker 3: our world champions. They met ten years ago at the

1516
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 3: amateur World Championships, in which Savannah Marshall gave Cloressa her

1517
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 3: only career loss pro or amateur. They never met again,

1518
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 3: as Clorisa went on to win a pair of gold

1519
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 3: medals in the Olympic Games and multiple world championships. But

1520
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 3: here they are the main difference between them, and it's

1521
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 3: probably why Marshall opened as the betting favorite. But as

1522
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 3: we stand right now as a plus one h five

1523
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 3: underdog to the minus one thirty Shields, is this Savannahs

1524
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:02,879
Speaker 3: a puncher of her twelve wins, ten have been by knockout. Shields,

1525
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 3: on the other hand, has been highly criticized that she

1526
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 3: has just two finishes. She's an incredibly slick boxer, but

1527
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 3: maybe doesn't have that one punch sort of ability. Luke,

1528
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 3: is that the storyline here, Marshall's punching power against the

1529
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 3: purest of pure boxers and arguably the best female fighter

1530
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:25,640
Speaker 3: in the world right now? In the quote Colorisa Shields.

1531
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:28,640
Speaker 1: Dude, what was that thing they had this week with

1532
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 1: the face off where Marshall said they banged? What the

1533
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: hell was that?

1534
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 3: I mean, we'll get into that, Luke. I thought I'd

1535
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 3: start with something a little more clean and important, like.

1536
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 1: This, what what did she say?

1537
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 8: Like?

1538
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:39,720
Speaker 1: What the hell is that?

1539
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 6: Uh?

1540
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 1: To answer the question, you know, here's the thing. Everyone's like, oh, well,

1541
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 1: this is Shields is only lost and she lost in

1542
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,599
Speaker 1: the Amateurs, and that it was ten years ago, that

1543
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,759
Speaker 1: that's not recent, that's not nothing that counts for something.

1544
01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: But dude, did I read this correctly? Sean Porter in

1545
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 1: the Amateurs in two thousand and six beat Alexander Usik, Yes,

1546
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 1: fucking Porter, right.

1547
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 3: Devin Haney and Ryan Garcia, I believe are three and

1548
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 3: three against each other in the amateurs.

1549
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:08,719
Speaker 1: Right, So it's like, I'm not saying that's not relevant.

1550
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:10,640
Speaker 1: That's relevant for the time in which they competed in

1551
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 1: whatever size and age they were. But you know, is

1552
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 1: anyone gonna bet on Sean Porter to beat Usik? Now

1553
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:17,680
Speaker 1: you couldn't even make that fight legally, Like what the

1554
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 1: fuck are people talking about? So it's not that I

1555
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 1: don't take a dude of the two, no doubt about it.

1556
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:26,799
Speaker 1: Marshall is the puncher. I mean notdi There's zero question

1557
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:29,679
Speaker 1: about it. And by the way, it should be noted BC,

1558
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:33,679
Speaker 1: I think that Shields is the overall better boxer, probably

1559
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:36,679
Speaker 1: by a considerable margin. But it's not like Shields has

1560
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 1: like a Mayweather untouchable style. She gets hit, Yes, she

1561
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:42,599
Speaker 1: gets hit. So the thing for me is like, this

1562
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 1: could be exciting early and you know it's only two

1563
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 1: minute rounds, which is just a fucking joke. But that's

1564
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 1: not their fault. I think it could be exciting early.

1565
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 1: I just feel like down the stretch, I always say this,

1566
01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 1: I'm gonna always say it, Skills win fights. Skills win fights,

1567
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 1: and Shields is not the power puncher that Marshall is,

1568
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 1: and Marshall is skilled, but Marshall does not have Shields

1569
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 1: overall boxing ability, and I don't think not by much

1570
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 1: at all, And I think over time that difference in

1571
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 1: quality will manifest itself.

1572
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think anybody does to be fair. I mean,

1573
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:19,639
Speaker 3: even if you have Katie Taylor or Serrano higher. I mean,

1574
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:23,040
Speaker 3: it's a tough argument to try to prove that somebody

1575
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 3: is a better boxer on this side of the game

1576
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 3: than Clorisia. Shield's still twenty seven years old in her prime,

1577
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 3: and luke her big argument. She could have just argued

1578
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 3: and said, look, two minute rounds. I got a lot

1579
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 3: of people hurt, but they didn't give me that extra

1580
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 3: minute to finish them. Her big argument had been that

1581
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 3: she's faced better competition, and I do think that's true,

1582
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 3: because let's give Clorisa Shields credit. She put that quote

1583
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 3: tag on herself, you see that in her jacket early

1584
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 3: and was like, I'm putting pressure on myself, and she

1585
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 3: chased anyone who was a champion in essentially any way

1586
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 3: class she could make. There were times that she was

1587
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 3: openly saying, look, if I could get my body close

1588
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 3: enough to one forty seven to fight, then unified champion

1589
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 3: or sorry disputa champions c Tocilla Breakho's who is going

1590
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 3: on to lose? You know, she was even throwing that

1591
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 3: out there. I mean, she's been willing to fight anyone,

1592
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 3: and when she did fight somebody who on paper was

1593
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:14,799
Speaker 3: esteemed to be a legitimate challenge Christina Hammer twenty nineteen

1594
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 3: for all four middleweight titles, of course, had like handled

1595
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 3: her like that was not a fight, Clarissa, do I

1596
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 3: mean just dominated it on that level. So there's a

1597
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:28,639
Speaker 3: lot of intrigue to see if Savannah Marshall can land

1598
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 3: something big. But I do agree with you, Luke, Shields

1599
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:34,560
Speaker 3: is in my estimation it has a huge advantage in

1600
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 3: terms of just skills. Yes she does get hit, Yes

1601
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 3: she's aggressive and moves it. But I love the battle

1602
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 3: between them, I love the history. I don't put a

1603
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 3: ton of stock mentally in you know, Marshall holding any

1604
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 3: kind of edge because of that when Shield is this,

1605
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 3: I mean lover her hater. Shields is as tough as

1606
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 3: anyone out there. She's went to the PFL on a

1607
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 3: you know, decent level and mma and was willing to

1608
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 3: risk it all and you know, to make money and

1609
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 3: just stay competitive. I mean that's who she is. But

1610
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 3: if I wasn't already into this matchup for the intrigue,

1611
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 3: the steaks all that, look, it got saucy and you

1612
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 3: referenced it, and I believe we've got audio and video

1613
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 3: to show this of one of their many Remember this

1614
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 3: fight car was supposed to take place a while back.

1615
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 3: The queen passed. We pushed it another five weeks. Dude,

1616
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 3: right now we're talking about this, people are talking about it.

1617
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 3: Did you see this freaking clip?

1618
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 1: Fucker yeah?

1619
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 3: Sure, fact that we were both screwing each other, I didn't.

1620
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:35,360
Speaker 3: I didn't have to say.

1621
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 6: It's the fact that I am gave you attention.

1622
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,599
Speaker 3: I had to be and you lost the plot. I

1623
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 3: had to, I had to pield I.

1624
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 6: Had Fucker yeah, sure, fuck that we both screw.

1625
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:50,599
Speaker 1: All right there?

1626
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 3: It is?

1627
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 1: Well, is that how MK is going to break up?

1628
01:16:57,600 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 3: We have in a fighting Luke. I do believe that

1629
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:02,639
Speaker 3: she almost the translator, that that accent was thick. They

1630
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:06,520
Speaker 3: actually wrote news stories about this, granted in UK tabloids

1631
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 3: where it was like Cluesta Shields. You know, Semi col

1632
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 3: and I did not have sex with h with that woman,

1633
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 3: Savannah Marshall.

1634
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 1: Didn't you like, here's the here first, well, here's the thing.

1635
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter in any way whatsoever, Like I don't

1636
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 1: who could care, but I will say this, did you

1637
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:24,520
Speaker 1: not find Shields's denial a little not forceful?

1638
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 3: I don't know if she understood the question, Luke, I'd

1639
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 3: have watched that thing like thirty times.

1640
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 1: To she said we didn't have sex. If dude, if

1641
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 1: you accused me of banging you, obviously you won't even

1642
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 1: like touch me, nor am I interested in banging you.

1643
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 1: You'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about?

1644
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 1: Like are you out of your mind? And it was

1645
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 1: Marshall who was asking you, are you our shields? Are

1646
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 1: you out of your mind?

1647
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 6: It?

1648
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 1: Dude, it was I don't know what to make of it,

1649
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 1: but it's strange.

1650
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it is strange. Marshall brings one world title,

1651
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 3: Clorissa brings three another undisputed chants for Cloressa. She's tried

1652
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 3: this in a couple of different divisions. She's won twelve

1653
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:04,600
Speaker 3: world titles in twelve pro fights. I don't believe that

1654
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:06,679
Speaker 3: they hooked up, Luke, but they've certainly hated each other

1655
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 3: for a decade. Clorissa also accusing Marshall this week of

1656
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:13,719
Speaker 3: outright ducking her in twenty eighteen when they went supposedly, Shields'

1657
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 3: team offered Marshall a big sum to do this fight

1658
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 3: back then, right after, you know, when they were both

1659
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 3: a year into the game. I do agree that it's

1660
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 3: bigger now. It helps that that Savannah is also a champion,

1661
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 3: and that she's twelve and oh with a glossier knockout record.

1662
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 3: But Luke, it matters most when they touch gloves in

1663
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:33,439
Speaker 3: that ring. And we put all of this aside the

1664
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 3: two arena. So this is a pretty damn big deal.

1665
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 3: Four belts at stake, ten rounds.

1666
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 1: Who wins Shields Shields is gonna win via decision I have.

1667
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 1: I just don't. I think stopping Marshall seems highly unlikely.

1668
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 1: Maybe even mar Shields touches the canvas. I don't think

1669
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 1: that's all together crazy either. But again, over the course

1670
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:56,639
Speaker 1: of ten rounds, be they two minutes or three, Shields

1671
01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:58,719
Speaker 1: is just better. Shields is just better. So I suspect

1672
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:01,759
Speaker 1: she'll win, but it should dude. First three, four rounds

1673
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 1: and maybe even a couple of late ones could be

1674
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 1: real interesting. This is this is definitely a fun one

1675
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:08,799
Speaker 1: to make time.

1676
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 3: For they shared. I believe two common opponents in their

1677
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:15,680
Speaker 3: twelve fights, Hannah Rankin and Femke Herman's both on the

1678
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 3: title level. The difference is Shields took decisions over both

1679
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 3: back to back in twenty eighteen, whereas Marshall stopped both

1680
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 3: of them two and four years after that. So it

1681
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:29,920
Speaker 3: is a great fight on paper. I'm glad that it's

1682
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 3: this big of an event ESPN plus giving it prime push.

1683
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 3: You know, it's they deserve this. I like that we're

1684
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 3: breaking history here as well. But close the Shields is

1685
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 3: gonna win by decision, That's just what's gonna happen. Luke,

1686
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 3: I don't even think she's gonna get rocked. The way

1687
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 3: she handled Christina Hammer, it was an eye opener. Savannah

1688
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 3: Marshall can bang, and she's good enough on this level

1689
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 3: the win a world title in box well enough, But

1690
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 3: she ain't the quote. So I'll eat my words come Saturday.

1691
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 3: If that's the case, check me on the MK post show.

1692
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:01,599
Speaker 3: But Luke, this comin event has really gotten our attention

1693
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,759
Speaker 3: as well. At one hundred and thirty pounds, Mikaela Mayer unbeaten,

1694
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:07,879
Speaker 3: gonna bring two of those world titles against fellow unbeaten

1695
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 3: American here and Alicia Bombgardner. This is a great matchup

1696
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 3: on paper in itself. Meyer mayor excuse me, a minus

1697
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 3: two to eighty betting favorite against the plus two fifteen

1698
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 3: bomb Gardener, who's really kind of come out of I

1699
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:23,559
Speaker 3: don't want to say nowhere, but it's been it's been swift,

1700
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 3: how she's got in front of us and gotten our

1701
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:28,840
Speaker 3: attention at her ability. But they hate each other so

1702
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 3: much that I could play seven straight social clips for

1703
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 3: you of them pushing and talking trash to get you excited.

1704
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 3: Here's arguably the best one of the week. Luke Thomas,

1705
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna want to know your thoughts on the back

1706
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:39,479
Speaker 3: end of this.

1707
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:44,560
Speaker 1: It's not funny, it is funny.

1708
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 3: You're mad, I'm glad. Do you take it so lightly?

1709
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 3: You think you think I'm taking it lightly?

1710
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 1: You think I'm taking it lightly.

1711
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 3: We're gonna find.

1712
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:52,600
Speaker 8: Out what you're like.

1713
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 3: You're done, you're replacing.

1714
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 7: You really know that.

1715
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 3: Your face? You feel it.

1716
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 1: I'm feeling it, bro I'm feeling it.

1717
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, Luke, there we go. All right, we

1718
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:22,640
Speaker 3: could have been banging a long time ago. Okay, Yeah, great, Luke, No,

1719
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 3: it's a great fight. I think the the uh, the

1720
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:28,599
Speaker 3: hatred between them is only jazzed. I mean a horse

1721
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 3: face Karen, Luke. That was aggressive.

1722
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah that was a little strong, but you know,

1723
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 1: fightersel it's racist. There's been one thing that Dana White

1724
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 1: has routinely said that I think is quite correct and

1725
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 1: will help people who especially like casuals, who like will

1726
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 1: tune in for a fight every once in a while,

1727
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:46,679
Speaker 1: and then like the fires are saying insane shit about

1728
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 1: each other. It's like, dude, there, it's the fight business.

1729
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 1: Like people will say very very mean things about each other.

1730
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 1: You just kind of have to live with it. A

1731
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 1: little bit. Calling our a horse face Karen is a

1732
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 1: little much, but you know, that's the fight game, Luke.

1733
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:02,040
Speaker 3: Does Alex Grosso look like a Karen to you, because

1734
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know this, that's her birth

1735
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 3: first name.

1736
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 1: Not in the traditional sense of a Karen, you know.

1737
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:12,600
Speaker 1: You more imagine like a like a middle aged you know,

1738
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 1: a Walmart white woman in Starbucks who can't get the

1739
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:20,120
Speaker 1: seven pump upside down, flat white.

1740
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 3: Like an elitist white woman.

1741
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 1: You're saying, yeah, I got you, that are just a

1742
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 1: racist one, you.

1743
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 3: Know, probably just the same. Back to this actual fight. Look, MICHAELA.

1744
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 3: Mayer I think is the better boxer of the two.

1745
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 3: I think we've seen that. It's gonna be interesting, though, Luke,

1746
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:36,600
Speaker 3: if Bombgarner can put power punches together and try to

1747
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:39,600
Speaker 3: go that route. The one storyline that it seemed to

1748
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 3: prevail is Mayor has been targeting It's been sort of

1749
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 3: framing bomb Gardner as an emotional fighter and believes that

1750
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 3: the intensity here between them will spill over and it'll

1751
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:52,719
Speaker 3: play directly into Mayor's hands as the better pure boxer

1752
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 3: of the two. Are you expecting the heat to turn

1753
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:58,960
Speaker 3: into an all action fest here?

1754
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 1: I think that Bumgardner is gonna try and use She's

1755
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 1: probably the more powerful punch of the two. It's a

1756
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:08,639
Speaker 1: it's a kind of a kin to Shields and Marshall

1757
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 1: in that way. Bum Gardner does have a pretty decent punch.

1758
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 1: I think that will maybe play a role. But dude,

1759
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:20,720
Speaker 1: McK Mayor's got skills, man. She has good She has

1760
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:24,759
Speaker 1: good distance management in particular, and by the way, probably

1761
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:27,840
Speaker 1: a little heavier handed relatively speaking than obviously she's a

1762
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 1: loighter weight, but you know, for that weight class, then shields.

1763
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:33,839
Speaker 1: But she does have the good boxing, the good overall movement,

1764
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 1: the range management. She has good defense too. I just

1765
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 1: you know, could it happen? Could that one punch bomb happened? Yeah,

1766
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 1: if you're Deontay Wilder and that that's a little more

1767
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 1: common for him. But don't don't. I don't think it's

1768
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:48,440
Speaker 1: gonna be enough for Bumgarner.

1769
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 3: All right. Mayer is seventeen and oh the twenty eight

1770
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:53,680
Speaker 3: year old Bomb Gardner nickname the Bomb actually has one

1771
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 3: defeats all dead wrong myself. She's twelve and one with

1772
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 3: seven KOs coming in. That only loss was in twenty

1773
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 3: eighteen by split decision to the same fighter, Christina Lenard

1774
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 3: to two. If I nailed that that foot that lost

1775
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 3: to Katie Taylor within the last two or three fights,

1776
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:10,599
Speaker 3: so h you know, at this level, Luke, they all

1777
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:12,679
Speaker 3: end up fighting each other and sometimes a couple of times.

1778
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 3: But these are the class of this area. The one,

1779
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:18,640
Speaker 3: thirty one, thirty five separate from what Katie Taylor and

1780
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 3: Amanda Serrano are doing. If the winner here moves up

1781
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 3: to thirty five and faces Katie Taylor, hey we got

1782
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:26,599
Speaker 3: we got a big fight either way. Either either michaela

1783
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:28,639
Speaker 3: or or Alicia. This is gonna be this wun be fun.

1784
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, though the women's fights this weekend should absolutely deliver.

1785
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 1: This one in particular should be fun again for three belts,

1786
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 1: for three belts in this particular contest. So winner of

1787
01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 1: this might move up to one thirty five. And has

1788
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:43,160
Speaker 1: you indicated taking on Katie Taylor or uh, you know,

1789
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 1: or maybe if Serrano, if they can make that beforehand.

1790
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:48,040
Speaker 1: But they're looking for they're looking for big fights up

1791
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 1: a weight class for sure.

1792
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 3: All right, Topic five, we'll close with quick hitters. Luke

1793
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 3: here back in the MMA pool for a few of these.

1794
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 3: Bretto Kimoto of ESPN hitting the airwaves to let us

1795
01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:00,559
Speaker 3: know UFC two eight to two, the final pay per

1796
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 3: view of the year this early December from Las Vegas.

1797
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 3: Jan Blahovich versus Magamed and Caliev at two oh five.

1798
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 1: Your thoughts, that's a tough fight for either guy. It's

1799
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:15,639
Speaker 1: an especially tough fight for Yan Belhovich on Caliev seems

1800
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 1: to me destined for a title shot and it has

1801
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 1: to suck if you're Belhovich because we'll talk about it

1802
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 1: in a little bit. But you know they are going

1803
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 1: to have Glover rematch Yuri.

1804
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 3: Let's talk about it right now that same night, And look,

1805
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 3: am I wrong? Is this the main event? Glover to

1806
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:34,560
Speaker 3: Shia Yuri Prahotska Part two, their first fight batshit amazing

1807
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:36,880
Speaker 3: for the light Heavyweight World Championship.

1808
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like the issue would be there that Like

1809
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 1: I guess that that that fight between Belhovich and on Caliev,

1810
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:45,559
Speaker 1: that's your number one contender fight. I mean, that's really

1811
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 1: what that comes down to at this point. And you

1812
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 1: know Belhovich, who was right on the presipice of getting

1813
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:54,160
Speaker 1: it done, waiting to see what happened between Glover and Yuri,

1814
01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 1: and he gets one of the most insane fights ever

1815
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 1: and he just gets pushed and now he has to

1816
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 1: fight this fucking guy. Like that's a that's a tough

1817
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't know if Lahovich is

1818
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:06,880
Speaker 1: going to get another title shot BC. I'm thinking he

1819
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:08,520
Speaker 1: might have missed out on his opportunity.

1820
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 3: Wow, I'm not getting any younger as well, but we'll

1821
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,679
Speaker 3: give him that chance to bounce back. That is December tenth, Luke,

1822
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 3: I want to read you this the highlights of this

1823
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 3: card as is. Who knows if they will add more

1824
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 3: And I want you to give me a grade Yeerie

1825
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:24,560
Speaker 3: Glover two. In the main event, we got Robbie Lawler, Ponzinibio,

1826
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:29,520
Speaker 3: Edmund Schabazian's back Billy Q against Alexander Hernandez, Drikis Duplasi

1827
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 3: against Darren Till, Rosenstruk Versus, Chris Daukas, Chris Curtis against

1828
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:37,439
Speaker 3: Joking Buckley. Bon Nicol makes his pro debut or UFC debut,

1829
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:40,759
Speaker 3: excuse me against Jamie Pickett and then what we mentioned recently,

1830
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 3: Osp and Gustavsen and now Blohovich Nkliev.

1831
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:48,680
Speaker 1: I'll give that card. I mean, certain parts of it

1832
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 1: are are a ten, but overall I'm going to give

1833
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 1: that card like a seven and a half. Is that

1834
01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:55,639
Speaker 1: a fair rating? Seven and a half?

1835
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:57,559
Speaker 3: I go, I go as high as eight because there's

1836
01:26:57,560 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 3: some there's there's a lot of fill there, and it's

1837
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 3: the filler is good.

1838
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 1: No, you know, I don't know. But the osp and

1839
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 1: Gustuson fight, like yeah.

1840
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 3: That's gross, okay, But like just like at Thanksgiving, you

1841
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:08,720
Speaker 3: don't have to take every you know, you don't have

1842
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 3: to take a spooful of everything. Look like I know,

1843
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:12,000
Speaker 3: you don't go near that turnip at all.

1844
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 1: No, turn up is not for me. I don't like

1845
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:17,080
Speaker 1: it turn up in radishes. I'm not a big fan of.

1846
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:18,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, radish is blow. But if you're going to do

1847
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:21,680
Speaker 3: the cranberry sauce, you gotta do the great values, you know,

1848
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 3: Walmart version of it. Luke as that that's one of

1849
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:26,080
Speaker 3: the rare items that has cheat. The cheaper you go,

1850
01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 3: the better it tastes.

1851
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 1: All right, Dude, My Persian friend and his family, every

1852
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 1: time I go to their house, they eat radishes like

1853
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 1: we eat apples. Like they just take the radish and

1854
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:36,600
Speaker 1: just crunch it. I'm like, dude, that is yeah, that

1855
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 1: is trifling. That is trifling.

1856
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 3: My Yeah, I've old guys like to eat onions and stuff,

1857
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 3: and I mean people people do weird things from different times.

1858
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:48,759
Speaker 3: Look because, you know, because sometimes that was their only option. Luke, Okay, maybe.

1859
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:51,480
Speaker 1: That's why I don't think that Persians are eating radishes

1860
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:53,960
Speaker 1: by function of poverty. You know, one of the great

1861
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:55,480
Speaker 1: epires of human civilization.

1862
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 3: There was probably a time, probably on the on the

1863
01:27:58,120 --> 01:27:59,640
Speaker 3: men's side of my family. You know, I have a

1864
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 3: Scott last name, but I'm clearly French, Luke and French

1865
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:06,160
Speaker 3: Canadian at that At some point they came across the

1866
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:09,559
Speaker 3: hot dog for as a meantrace survival, right, And all

1867
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:12,559
Speaker 3: I've done in my life is really just celebrate that tradition,

1868
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:14,640
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like Ata Son, You're like

1869
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 3: dances to the cage and stuff, and it's like, I

1870
01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:19,280
Speaker 3: don't understand that, but some people do, Luke. Maybe I've

1871
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:21,040
Speaker 3: just been eating all I've ever known.

1872
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:25,040
Speaker 1: I think you just eat like a raccoon. That's really

1873
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 1: the only answer here. You eat like a raccoon digging

1874
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 1: through the garbage.

1875
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 3: All right, all right, Luckily I don't have to weigh in.

1876
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:32,479
Speaker 3: Some fighters do, Luke. And that's why i Aspin Lad

1877
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:34,920
Speaker 3: left the UFC. We know she has signed with the PFL.

1878
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 3: She'll fight one division up at one four five, and

1879
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 3: she's got a opponent here, and I like this. November

1880
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:44,640
Speaker 3: twenty fifth, that's your PFL championship card. I believe a

1881
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 3: pay per view at that it's gonna be Aspin Lad

1882
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 3: against Julia Budd. Your thoughts on this, Luke, I'm gonna

1883
01:28:51,479 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 3: give it one enthusiastic thumbs up.

1884
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:58,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't hate it. Julia Budd is a tough test.

1885
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 1: She's a proven competitor, you know, you haven't seen it

1886
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:03,280
Speaker 1: in the UFC, but to anyone who's pay attention to

1887
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:06,200
Speaker 1: her career, you know she's a physical fighter, a well

1888
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:10,799
Speaker 1: rounded fighter, and experienced one certainly has her limits. Honestly,

1889
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:13,960
Speaker 1: if Aspen Lad's not on her game, Bud can very

1890
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 1: much win that contest. That's hardly out of the uh

1891
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 1: that would not in any way be surprising. But if

1892
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 1: Lad is back to something approximating what we used to

1893
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:26,680
Speaker 1: see from her, she should also get a triumphant moment here.

1894
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:28,800
Speaker 1: But this is that's that's good matchmaking.

1895
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 3: I like that fight, Okay, I agree with you on that.

1896
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Speaker 3: Our final quick hitter of the week, Luke, I'll let

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Speaker 3: you set this up. It's about your boy, Shatri sid

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Speaker 3: Yong Tong, the head of one championship, MMA, many many

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Speaker 3: disciplines of combat. This is about debt. He was a

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Speaker 3: guest on Aiel Halwane's MMA. Our Luke, take it from here.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we have the clip or not

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Speaker 1: do we We do we have there, so let me

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01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 1: just basically set this up. There was a report from

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01:29:56,320 --> 01:30:00,720
Speaker 1: Bloody Elbow that from John Nash and Anton Taboyna that

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Speaker 1: indicated we talked about on the show that the organization

1906
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 1: certainly has done really well for themselves in a lot

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Speaker 1: of ways. I want to be very clear about this.

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01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:11,320
Speaker 1: I really like the one product. I like their rule set.

1909
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Speaker 1: I like how they have Muay Thai in the cage

1910
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Speaker 1: with the four ounce gloves. I like a lot of

1911
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Speaker 1: what they have going. I think it's just a great

1912
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Speaker 1: alternative to the UFC. It's not commensurate with it, but

1913
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Speaker 1: it's really different. It's a modern MMA product that I

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Speaker 1: think you know, does really well for itself, and it should.

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Speaker 1: But they have gotten to this point by taking a

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Speaker 1: lot of venture capital money and they are hemorrhaging, hemorrhaging

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Speaker 1: it like a motherfucker to this point where they've lost

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Speaker 1: almost four hundred million dollars, and we know that for

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Speaker 1: very good reason. However, I'm not going to spoil the

1920
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Speaker 1: lead here, or bury the lead here, I should say,

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Speaker 1: or spoil the surprise. Chatre was asked by Ariel Hawani

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Speaker 1: about these reports, and he just gave what can only

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Speaker 1: be described as the dumbest fucking response ever.

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Speaker 8: Let's hear it that you lost a record high one

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Speaker 8: hundred and ten million dollars, and this coming off twenty

1926
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Speaker 8: twenty where losses of forty eight million dollars. This is

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Speaker 8: from the annual financial filings with ACRA, which is Singapore's

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Speaker 8: close equivalent to the SEC. I remember having you on

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Speaker 8: the show last September. We talked about this, and the

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Speaker 8: quote is you said the internet is a dangerous place

1931
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Speaker 8: if you believe everything you read. There was a ton

1932
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Speaker 8: of inaccuracies, tons of errors. It's not even like one

1933
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Speaker 8: or two. If it were just like one or two,

1934
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Speaker 8: I would pointed out, it's not even worth address addressing.

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Speaker 1: Again.

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Speaker 8: It's like I said, I like to let the truth

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Speaker 8: speak over time. So that was your response when I

1938
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Speaker 8: asked you about the forty eight million. Now it's one

1939
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Speaker 8: hundred and ten million according to this report. Is the

1940
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Speaker 8: one hundred and ten million accurate?

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Speaker 6: I think if you want financial information, go to the

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Speaker 6: most credible sources in the world, like a Bloomberg or

1943
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Speaker 6: Financial Times, which also wrote articles on one. Are you

1944
01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:47,559
Speaker 6: going to go to an MMA website?

1945
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:47,760
Speaker 1: Right?

1946
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Speaker 6: So that just on that level, but on the bigger

1947
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Speaker 6: picture level. Okay, so there it is inaccurate.

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Speaker 3: Again, but I.

1949
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Speaker 8: Will it is inaccurate.

1950
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Speaker 6: Go to Bloomberg, go to go to Financial Times.

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Speaker 8: What did they report as far as what the number was.

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Speaker 6: What I'll say Ariel is we are in investment growth

1953
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:06,800
Speaker 6: face to be number five in the world or whatever

1954
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:09,080
Speaker 6: you know in those Nielsen charts. You have to invest

1955
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:12,960
Speaker 6: in the brand, the product, the roster, geographies, and you

1956
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:15,320
Speaker 6: have to expand the footprint. And this takes a lot

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Speaker 6: of capital.

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Speaker 3: It's a very different approach.

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Speaker 1: Right.

1960
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Speaker 6: Then, Let's say if I was going to open a

1961
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:23,040
Speaker 6: coffee shop today, you sell coffee profitable that day, but

1962
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:26,320
Speaker 6: you're not scaling globally, right, So the strategy that one

1963
01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:30,519
Speaker 6: is used is literally like let's have maximum reach, put

1964
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:33,320
Speaker 6: us on TV everywherecross the content invasion. But around the world.

1965
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:36,040
Speaker 6: I don't know if you saw, we just announced the

1966
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Speaker 6: a broadcast deal in Middle East with Bean Sports and

1967
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:42,400
Speaker 6: then so the idea is again is increasing our footprint

1968
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Speaker 6: everywhere we go and of course having to throw events,

1969
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:45,840
Speaker 6: but you have to create a content. You have to

1970
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:48,479
Speaker 6: create tons of content for each region, for each broadcaster

1971
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:50,479
Speaker 6: part You know, we have one hundred and fifty four

1972
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:53,640
Speaker 6: badcast partners around the world. So the strategy again is

1973
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:57,920
Speaker 6: you have to get this scale before and not worry

1974
01:32:57,960 --> 01:32:59,639
Speaker 6: so much about you know, what are the coffee store

1975
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 6: econom mix, right, and so that's the overall tight and

1976
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:05,000
Speaker 6: we're very lucky that we have you know, blue chip

1977
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:09,080
Speaker 6: institution investors like Sequoia Capital like uh, you know, Googenheim,

1978
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:12,280
Speaker 6: like Guitar Investment Authority like Tamasek uh, you know Google.

1979
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Speaker 6: These guys, these are like the very best and smartest

1980
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Speaker 6: investors in the world.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, look good, let me just tell you

1982
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Speaker 1: two things. There's a lot you could go on there with.

1983
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:28,479
Speaker 1: Let me just tell you two things about his answer

1984
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 1: that I just find comical. First things, first, Chautri has

1985
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:36,719
Speaker 1: I'll just say this matter of factly, he has dodged

1986
01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:39,680
Speaker 1: an interview with me for a long time. And you

1987
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:42,240
Speaker 1: could say that, well, you don't have the platform big

1988
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:44,760
Speaker 1: enough to have the guy who runs one, except that

1989
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:48,040
Speaker 1: I've seen him on the most podunk fucking podcast imaginable dude.

1990
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Speaker 3: He was on the State of Combat with Brian Campbell

1991
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:51,840
Speaker 3: like two years three years ago.

1992
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:54,800
Speaker 1: Though, speaking of podunk, speaking of podunk ones, he has,

1993
01:33:54,920 --> 01:33:56,880
Speaker 1: he has app and when I was host of MMA Hour,

1994
01:33:56,960 --> 01:33:58,800
Speaker 1: he dodged me as well. Like I want to be

1995
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:01,640
Speaker 1: very clear, Chatri has absolutely dodged an interview with me

1996
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:05,280
Speaker 1: for a long long time. And then his pr fucking

1997
01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:09,040
Speaker 1: lackey at the time, who is just a zero in

1998
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:11,800
Speaker 1: this industry, gave me a bunch of lies about how

1999
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:13,920
Speaker 1: he was. Oh, he was traveling at this time, and

2000
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:16,000
Speaker 1: he has work commitments at this time. And it's not

2001
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:17,720
Speaker 1: like an interview with him necessarily is going to make

2002
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:20,720
Speaker 1: you famous. I was more curious about it. But you know,

2003
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:24,000
Speaker 1: just the fucking lying around him by his lackeys just

2004
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:27,400
Speaker 1: made me not necessarily trust anything he had to say.

2005
01:34:27,439 --> 01:34:30,639
Speaker 1: But that aside, BC, the two reasons that I want

2006
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:33,519
Speaker 1: to articulate here that I find this funny. I want

2007
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:35,679
Speaker 1: to be very clear about this. That report from Anton

2008
01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:39,559
Speaker 1: Tabuena and John Nash you heard Arrow reference it. It

2009
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:42,280
Speaker 1: comes from a set of documents that was filed to

2010
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:47,880
Speaker 1: the Singaporean government, their equivalent of the SEC. These are

2011
01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 1: publicly accessible documents. And BC, are you ready for this

2012
01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:59,120
Speaker 1: one that Chatri sit Ya Tong signed his fucking name

2013
01:34:59,439 --> 01:35:00,559
Speaker 1: is it's a lot.

2014
01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:02,560
Speaker 3: Of papers, to be fair, Luke, okay.

2015
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:07,599
Speaker 1: Okay, you signed it, my guy, you signed it. That's

2016
01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:10,960
Speaker 1: how we know about these disclosure forms. And his fucking

2017
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:18,040
Speaker 1: name is one of the signatories to them. So what

2018
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:20,880
Speaker 1: are you talking about? And here's the second part about this. Like,

2019
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:23,240
Speaker 1: obviously Aerioel show is very very big and very popular

2020
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:25,479
Speaker 1: and he deserves all the success for it, but it

2021
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:29,000
Speaker 1: airs on MMA Fighting. It is very very weird to me,

2022
01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:31,080
Speaker 1: and YouTube and everything else, but it's you know, MMA

2023
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:32,840
Speaker 1: Fighting is the sort of the brand that hosts it

2024
01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:35,280
Speaker 1: and Vox produce it. It's very weird to me that

2025
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:37,400
Speaker 1: you would attack the credibility of MMA sites. By the way,

2026
01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:40,960
Speaker 1: Bloody Elbow, another Vox Media site, you were attacking MMA

2027
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:44,760
Speaker 1: websites on a show hosted or presented by any way

2028
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:47,599
Speaker 1: to bare minimum, buy an MMA website, Like what are

2029
01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:50,759
Speaker 1: we doing here? I don't understand any of this. So like, listen,

2030
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:53,120
Speaker 1: if you want to buy into his argument that there's

2031
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:54,719
Speaker 1: a certain amount of scale that has to be achieved

2032
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:57,679
Speaker 1: before he become profitable, fine, that's a fine debate to have.

2033
01:35:58,280 --> 01:36:01,639
Speaker 1: But just like shitting on MMA websites despite very accurate

2034
01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:05,519
Speaker 1: reporting and then finding fucking documents that are publicly available.

2035
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:07,320
Speaker 1: By the way, the one is now going to move

2036
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:09,280
Speaker 1: their financial headquarters to the Cayman Island, so this will

2037
01:36:09,320 --> 01:36:11,719
Speaker 1: probably the last one we ever get. And his name

2038
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:14,280
Speaker 1: is on them. His name is on them as a

2039
01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:19,240
Speaker 1: signatory BC, It's just it's just, you know, like it's

2040
01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:22,320
Speaker 1: such a fucking easy thing to take shots at the

2041
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:25,200
Speaker 1: MMA media like that way. And fine, they're they're very

2042
01:36:25,200 --> 01:36:26,759
Speaker 1: deserving of it in a lot of ways.

2043
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:29,160
Speaker 3: Yes, they're all here thumbbags, Luke, we've already.

2044
01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:31,640
Speaker 1: You know, and they're lazy and you know they're just

2045
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:33,559
Speaker 1: there to be close to fighters a lot of times.

2046
01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:37,240
Speaker 1: Like there's there's plenty of good criticisms to make. But dude,

2047
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:39,160
Speaker 1: if you're gonna get asked about it on this site,

2048
01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:41,599
Speaker 1: shitting on MMA sites is weird. And your name is

2049
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:45,080
Speaker 1: on there as a signatory, my guy, Oh my lord,

2050
01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:46,040
Speaker 1: what are we doing here?

2051
01:36:46,200 --> 01:36:48,679
Speaker 3: Well, if if you're asking me whether I'd still accept

2052
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:51,120
Speaker 3: an offer to represent Morning Combat on season two of

2053
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:54,679
Speaker 3: one Championship The Apprentice, you're damn right eye with Luke.

2054
01:36:54,720 --> 01:36:57,760
Speaker 3: But that aside, this is, uh, this a little fishy here.

2055
01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:00,720
Speaker 3: I'm gonna google the names that chock like like you

2056
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:03,160
Speaker 3: do the research yourself, Google these names. I'm gonna start

2057
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:05,400
Speaker 3: right there. Look, we'll see what happens. Okay, I'll take

2058
01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:06,000
Speaker 3: all right word.

2059
01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:07,960
Speaker 1: Just make sure you read it on Reuters so you

2060
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:09,640
Speaker 1: can get a guy who knows fuck all about the

2061
01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:12,080
Speaker 1: fight game and can buy any pr nonsense that's fed

2062
01:37:12,160 --> 01:37:12,439
Speaker 1: to him.

2063
01:37:12,439 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 3: I mean, well, what did you think of did you

2064
01:37:14,120 --> 01:37:15,519
Speaker 3: watch the whole interview? Like, what did you think of

2065
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:18,880
Speaker 3: his extended answer about like this is how this system works.

2066
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 3: You have to there's no limit to how much we're

2067
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:22,920
Speaker 3: willing to go in debt, but you have to go

2068
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:25,800
Speaker 3: into debt to build up this foundation. Like do you

2069
01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:29,960
Speaker 3: separate from whether he's just outright being absurd here on

2070
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:34,559
Speaker 3: that specific question and the John Nash Report bloody Elbow?

2071
01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:38,759
Speaker 3: Do you believe that Like they've got a pretty strong

2072
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:40,640
Speaker 3: plan and they will get in the plus and this

2073
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:42,840
Speaker 3: isn't like you know, we're gonna shut everything down in

2074
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:44,880
Speaker 3: six months. I mean that they seem to be making okay.

2075
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:46,759
Speaker 1: So, but this is the other part of it. Everyone's

2076
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:49,720
Speaker 1: gonna look at this and if they're not thinking, they're

2077
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:51,600
Speaker 1: gonna say, oh, I'm out to kill one dude. The

2078
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:54,479
Speaker 1: worst thing that could happen in MMA would be for

2079
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:57,600
Speaker 1: the PFLs and the ones and the bellatores to go

2080
01:37:57,680 --> 01:38:00,360
Speaker 1: out of business. That would not be good. That would

2081
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:02,320
Speaker 1: not be good for me, that would not be good

2082
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:04,120
Speaker 1: for BC, that would not be good for you as

2083
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:06,400
Speaker 1: the viewer, and it would not be good for MMA

2084
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:11,080
Speaker 1: in general. What you want are organizations like one to succeed.

2085
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:13,000
Speaker 1: That is what you want. And again I'm going to

2086
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:16,040
Speaker 1: be very clear what gets what gets to us as

2087
01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:18,080
Speaker 1: the consumer. By the time I turn on my Amazon

2088
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:21,720
Speaker 1: system or through the browser however I'm watching it, I

2089
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:25,080
Speaker 1: love the product. It's very very good, and there is

2090
01:38:25,120 --> 01:38:28,040
Speaker 1: something to be said for trying to achieve a certain

2091
01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 1: amount of scale in order for it to be profitable.

2092
01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:32,240
Speaker 1: But b C like two things I would say in

2093
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:35,839
Speaker 1: response to that Number One, they have made continuous promises

2094
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:37,880
Speaker 1: like we're twelve months away from profitability, We're twelve months

2095
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:40,920
Speaker 1: away from profitability for several years, and it never seems

2096
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:42,760
Speaker 1: to come true. In fact, the losses only seem to

2097
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:45,599
Speaker 1: amount to greater and greater sums. That's the first problem.

2098
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:47,800
Speaker 1: And the second problem is this idea that we have

2099
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:51,040
Speaker 1: to scale to profitability. Yes, some scale is required, but

2100
01:38:51,120 --> 01:38:53,679
Speaker 1: you can end up chasing that to a place of nothingness.

2101
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:56,080
Speaker 1: That's exactly the problem that Uber has found themselves in.

2102
01:38:56,439 --> 01:38:58,240
Speaker 1: What they keep doing is if you've never had the book,

2103
01:38:58,280 --> 01:38:59,920
Speaker 1: I have it here, super I think I have it

2104
01:39:00,720 --> 01:39:04,280
Speaker 1: somewhere here, it's a book called super Pump where what

2105
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:06,840
Speaker 1: they're trying, what it basically articulates, is that like why

2106
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:08,960
Speaker 1: did Uber get into uber eats is because they found

2107
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:10,800
Speaker 1: out that their ride sharing program was never going to

2108
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:13,839
Speaker 1: be profitable, and so they had to find other systems

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Speaker 1: that could be technologically incorporated or added as an additional

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Speaker 1: part of their business, and then that additional part would

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Speaker 1: achieve some kind of profitability. But it's just scaling to

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Speaker 1: find something that will make you money and then rearrange

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Speaker 1: in the business. Accordingly, it's very very difficult to do

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Speaker 1: that as well. Uber doesn't make a dime. They have

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Speaker 1: been burn I mean they guess they make money, but

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Speaker 1: in terms of net profit, they've been burning and burning

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Speaker 1: and burning and burning money. That's a very dangerous way

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Speaker 1: to go about it as well. Although venture capital will pump,

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Speaker 1: as you can see with Uber, they'll pump a bunch

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Speaker 1: of money into that as well. So dude, like Uber

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Speaker 1: one makes a very very good product, but I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it makes an economically sustainable product, and if

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Speaker 1: they can't sustain that's bad for all of us. I

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Speaker 1: don't wish it on anyone. My only problem with them,

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Speaker 1: is they just do His lack of try, transparency and

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Speaker 1: honesty about these things is just alarming.

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Speaker 3: And look, I've never loved the the I know that

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Speaker 3: there's a there's been a turnover behind the scenes, and

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Speaker 3: and you know, I really enjoyed dealing with one pr

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Speaker 3: of late for sure, But you know, there used to

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Speaker 3: be the new people are great, used to be an

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Speaker 3: aggression level that was that that that was unhealthy, and

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Speaker 3: and some of those reports about ratings you always had

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Speaker 3: questions about. I get that as long as Trailler stays

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Speaker 3: in the fight game and we get more crime faces, Luke,

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Speaker 3: I'm in all right, Uh wow, thank you, chawtre that's yeah, okay, look,

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Speaker 3: that's that. We're gonna transition to dead wrong to close

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Speaker 3: the show. By the way, we're closing the show so

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Speaker 3: you can interview a one championship fighter, so like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, dude, their product is great. I love it.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I just don't like you're gonna shit

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Speaker 1: on MMA media and act like everyone is stupid because

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Speaker 1: you think the audience is stupid. Get the fuck out

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Speaker 1: of here with that.

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Speaker 3: All right, all right, look at it. Look at Ariel

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Speaker 3: throwing the hardballs out there.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah good. I mean he's sure as fuck isn't

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Speaker 1: gonna talk to me, so someone's got to do it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, Luke, As we transitioned to dead Wrong, people

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Speaker 3: have dead wrong dust on Twitter during the show saying, well, miss.

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Speaker 1: I fucked it up. Let me let me dead wrong myself.

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Speaker 1: You see. I apologize. So I misunderstood. I thought that

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Speaker 1: what happened was Askarov talking about the Askarov and Royval fight,

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Speaker 1: which does appear to be off. So that part is true.

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Speaker 1: But the wrong part is that I had thought that

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Speaker 1: Askarov had a missedweight, which he did. He was going

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Speaker 1: to miss Wait, they had told the team, I think

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Speaker 1: for a one to twenty seven catchweight fight. Rouville said

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Speaker 1: that he would be interested in a one hundred and

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Speaker 1: twenty seven pound catchweight fight, and it was Askarov who

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Speaker 1: actually said no. So shouts to bandon Royville for being

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Speaker 1: a pro and willing to take the catchweight fight. Whatever

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01:41:42,479 --> 01:41:45,000
Speaker 1: happened with Askarov, it's on him. So I apologize for

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Speaker 1: all the parties and everyone listening. I got that wrong.

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Speaker 3: That's on me, raw dog, you're a real cowboy. We

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Speaker 3: appreciate your service. Thank you very much, Luke We're willing

2167
01:41:52,120 --> 01:41:53,920
Speaker 3: to take that out if it's necessary, and we give

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Speaker 3: you an email address Morning Combat at gmail dot com

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Speaker 3: to send in your Wednesday fans hubs or every Friday.

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Speaker 3: Put us to the test. This one's called dead wrong.

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Speaker 3: You better come with receipts though. Okay, And here's day

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Speaker 3: one Dave sliding And he says on Friday's episode, when

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Speaker 3: BC was talking about the ben U Bank Junior fight,

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Speaker 3: he said the promoters were Eddie Hearn and Frank Warren,

2175
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Speaker 3: which is dead wrong. You're right, I was wrong here.

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Speaker 3: Eddie Hearn is Ben's promoter, but you Bank is not

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Speaker 3: promoted by Callie Soerland of Wasserman Boxing. Wasserman Boxing, excuse me, formally,

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Speaker 3: the hell is Callie Solerlin's old company. But whatever, you

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Speaker 3: get my point BC with the BD, you gotta get

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Speaker 3: this shit right. Love the show, Thank.

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Speaker 1: You, Dave, that's what you got, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you Sourland event, that's what it was with Callie

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Speaker 3: Soreland named after the family there by the way. Look

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Speaker 3: you don't know Callie Sourland, but he's like this international

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Speaker 3: playboy boxing promoter who like whenever he does the Dave

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Speaker 3: Shaller thing and stands between the fighters. He makes this

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Speaker 3: face like where you know, like he's he's rock hard

2188
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Speaker 3: with the like he's just so damn fired up. You know.

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Speaker 3: Ray and I used to always say, if we could

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Speaker 3: go to a Cali party, pants would be optional. I

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Speaker 3: mean it would be a Cali party would be wild sou.

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Speaker 3: I'm happy to correct that dead wrong. Let's slide into

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Speaker 3: number two. This one comes from Nima. He says, what's

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Speaker 3: up MK. First of all, shout out to whoever edited

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Speaker 3: Doc seven. That would be Jake von Amsterdam. Loved how

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Speaker 3: Luke's vehement efforts of preserving his privacy were respected while

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Speaker 3: some of the other production crew had their arse cracked

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Speaker 3: zoomed in on, Yeah, look what was up with that?

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Speaker 3: With Jake? And this one a lot of acts.

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Speaker 1: So my only rule with Jake was that you can

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Speaker 1: make me look bad, you can't make my wife look bad.

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Speaker 1: But I think which he did. He didn't make me,

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Speaker 1: He did not make my wife look bad, and that's fine.

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01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:43,880
Speaker 1: But then he just likes to make all of us

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Speaker 1: look bad. He's got some weird fetish about like fuck

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Speaker 1: that guy.

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Speaker 3: Fuck yeah, Like I'll show that guy's toes, yeah, or

2208
01:43:50,240 --> 01:43:51,880
Speaker 3: he's always trying to get us with our shirts off

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Speaker 3: in it in the doc.

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Speaker 1: No, it's like, leave me the fuck alone. Man.

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Speaker 3: All right, well, Nima says back to the main point,

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Speaker 3: fool me wants shame on me, fool me twice. Shame

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Speaker 3: on you, Luke Thomas. Last week, when you guys were

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Speaker 3: talking about your favorite ground game specialists, Luke picked rock

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Speaker 3: Monoff as number one and mentioned seventeen wins, seventeen finishes.

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Speaker 3: I let it go. But then again on Monday, when

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Speaker 3: discussing the Jeff Neil fight, Luke said it again, seventeen wins,

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Speaker 3: seventeen finishes. As we speak in according to many websites

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Speaker 3: including Sure Dog Chopcott sixteen and zero, that's one victory

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Speaker 3: too many and hey BC, don't get too excited. At

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Speaker 3: the start of the show, when Disculsing discussing Vulk being

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Speaker 3: the backup fighter, you referred to two to eighty as

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Speaker 3: the stacked card in Dubai. But the event is going

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Speaker 3: to be in Abu Dhabi. Wow. I am sure those

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Speaker 3: in Abu Dhabi have paid a lot of money, specifically

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Speaker 3: to Dana to compete against and differentiate themselves from their

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Speaker 3: fellow UAE state ps. Luke, why don't you introduce BC

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Speaker 3: to melodic death metal bands from the Nordics. Cheers, it's Niema.

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Speaker 1: Does those bands suck balls?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Nema, don't don't try. Don't try to push your

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Speaker 3: music on us.

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Speaker 1: Nemo.

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Speaker 3: We're not down for it. But yeah, I guess I'll

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Speaker 3: take that l again. Here's Ben and Paul. They say

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Speaker 3: on Monday Show, Luke mentioned that Robert Whittaker fought Joel

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Speaker 3: previously in Western Australia. Rob fought Joel at two thirteen

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Speaker 3: in Vegas and two twenty five in Chicago, of which

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Speaker 3: this writer was in attendance at. They said, Yoel did

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Speaker 3: fight in Perth, but he knocked out Luke rock hole

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Speaker 3: that two twenty one.

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Speaker 1: It was yes, yes, you're right, Sorry, my bad bad.

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Speaker 3: I love you guys. Enjoyed the shit out of Doc seven.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, gentlemen. And we have one here from Chris

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Speaker 3: from Scotland. So it's a reverse dead wrong. That's interesting

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Speaker 3: emailing this dead wrong on behalf of my four year

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Speaker 3: old son, Shea, who was within earshot when Luke loudly

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Speaker 3: proclaimed on Monday Show that Santa is not real. After

2248
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:47,040
Speaker 3: plenty of damage control and informing him that you were

2249
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Speaker 3: just bitter about being on the naughty list. My fiance

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Speaker 3: wasn't as kind, by the way, talking about Luke, I

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Speaker 3: talked him around. I guess it's my fault for listening

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Speaker 3: to you to washed fucks when the kids are home. Wow,

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01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:03,719
Speaker 3: he though, is dead wrong for playing this show anywhere

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Speaker 3: around Oh, this is our producers talking, so our producers

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Speaker 3: are reversed, dead wronging him. That's probably Mikey for playing

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Speaker 3: this show around his kids. Who's really at fault here, Luke?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it sounds like you're a bad father

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Speaker 1: to play a shitbag podcast like that around your kid.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: All right, there it is. That's the show for this week. Okay,

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Speaker 3: thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to the kid. I'm sorry to the little one.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I mean, I don't want to ruin your

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Speaker 1: If you're in fifth grade, your fuck your life.

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Speaker 3: But if I was in fifth grade, and thank you,

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Speaker 3: thank you to my parents for that. All right, Thank

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Speaker 3: you very much Morningcombat at gmail dot com for your

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Speaker 3: future drop offs. Don't forget folks, YouTube dot com slash

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Speaker 3: morning combat is where all of our bonus material is.

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Speaker 3: You can see that doc seven guys, we watch the

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Speaker 3: freakin doc. I mean, there's like about I know, I

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Speaker 3: get it. There's an average every episode there's a certain

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Speaker 3: amount of number that will watch our main show. Look,

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Speaker 3: those same people don't go down the street and check

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Speaker 3: out that doc that's playing. They don't don't.

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Speaker 1: And even I am gonna tell you it's good. Actually

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Speaker 1: it's really good. It's really really good. It's worth your time.

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Speaker 1: And I know, Ian listen, watch it in chunks. It's

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Speaker 1: not you know, ten minutes here, fifteen minutes there, or

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Speaker 1: whatever you can give, but it'll be the best.

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Speaker 3: Forty minutes of your day. Believe me on that.

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Speaker 1: Also, see I know you're doing the post fight roundups tomorrow. Also,

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Speaker 1: don't forget we got a UFC two eighty pregame pregame

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Speaker 1: preview with one iceman Chuck Mindenhall coming out on Sunday

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Speaker 1: as well, so be on the lookout for that.

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Speaker 3: I don't need to tell you that Corey Anderson's fight

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Speaker 3: that support us, and shout out to our great listeners. Uh,

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Speaker 3: we can't do any of this without you. Thank you

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Speaker 3: for pushing us to the awards levels. We got some

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Speaker 3: good stuff cooking. We have some good stuff cooking right now, Luke.

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Speaker 3: We gotta, we gotta. There's something big coming around the corner.

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Speaker 3: What is it, February. There's something coming, Luke.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so just oh there, certainly is That's all I

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Speaker 1: got Because you know what, I'll just say it. It's

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Speaker 1: the biggest thing MK's ever done. It's the biggest thing

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Speaker 1: MK's ever done. So be on the lookout.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, little little a little drudges, right, yep, yeah,

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Speaker 3: just just a little bit of that. Enjoy the fights

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Speaker 3: this weekend, guys. Shout out to Long Island Luke on

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Speaker 3: the Ones and twos, Mikey Morm's somewhere. Uh my name

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Speaker 3: is Brian Campbell. That's Luke Thomas. Luke. Do you have

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Speaker 3: anything to say to the people here.

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Speaker 1: I gotta go because I got to do an interview

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Speaker 1: with a one athlete and I'm looking forward to talking

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Speaker 1: with them, So that'll be out soon as well. And

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Speaker 1: enjoy your weekends. Be safe, don't drink and drive.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Take care of it up here, Okay,

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Speaker 3: put yourself first. We got this. We can get through this.

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Speaker 3: I mean, mkker if, don't nobody else care. Two more

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Speaker 3: words we out. That's it. That's it. I mean, that's it.

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Speaker 3: I'm not doing anymore.