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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody. Thursday edition of The Clay Travis En buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show kicks off right now. We've got a lot

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Speaker 1: to talk about. Play on vacation this week, so it

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Speaker 1: is the Buckster solo until Monday. Thanks for hanging out

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Speaker 1: with me. We have a Kamala rolling out a policy.

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Speaker 1: Oh my, oh, she wants to be president and now

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Speaker 1: she has a policy to discuss. We shall talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Her first policy is communism. Give you the upfront there.

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Speaker 1: First policy is communism basically, but we'll discuss more of

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Speaker 1: that in just a moment. Also, we have a JD

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Speaker 1: Vance agreeing to two debates with vice presidential nominee Walls

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Speaker 1: for the Democrats September eighteenth on CNN and October first

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Speaker 1: on CBS. That's right, so we have that. We've also

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Speaker 1: got Trump out there on the stump. We'll discuss the

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Speaker 1: latest with what he is saying and seeing out across

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Speaker 1: the country. Will Trump be sentenced to prison in September?

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Speaker 1: Andy McCarthy will be with us bottom of this hour.

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Speaker 1: He's going to make his case. I think he has

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Speaker 1: a surprising prediction on this for all of you. So

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to Andy about that and if

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Speaker 1: you think the law there campaign is over, I gotta say,

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Speaker 1: think again, they're not. They're not done with it yet.

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Speaker 1: There's much more still to come, or at least something

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Speaker 1: still to come with the effort to possibly lock up

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Speaker 1: or at least you know, there's sentencing and then there's

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Speaker 1: actually being put in the cell. We'll get into these

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Speaker 1: distinctions in just a little bit here at the bottom

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Speaker 1: of the hour. But I did want to start with

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Speaker 1: Kamala has a policy. Now, Oh my gosh, look at that.

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Speaker 1: An economic policy, no less. Now. I am hopeful that

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Speaker 1: this policy will be one that she doesn't change next week,

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Speaker 1: depending on what the polls look like. I'm also hopeful

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Speaker 1: that the media will not shout at everybody who criticizes

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Speaker 1: this policy saying it's not her policy until they can

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Speaker 1: first check and see what the polls are and then

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Speaker 1: eventually admit, yeah, actually, this is what she says she

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Speaker 1: wants to do. Trump was in Asheville, North Carolina. You

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Speaker 1: know I've got I've got funny, funny Ashville's story. Some

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Speaker 1: of you already know. It's when I was I was

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Speaker 1: actually thinking about proposing to carry in Asheville. I was

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Speaker 1: visiting her family there, for Fourth of July week and

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Speaker 1: met in New York. We I courted her in New York,

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Speaker 1: so we got we got engaged in New York City.

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Speaker 1: So I held off. But in the meantime in Asheville,

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Speaker 1: I noticed it's like a it's like a communist enclave,

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Speaker 1: it's like a commune. In downtown Ashville, it was beautiful

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Speaker 1: a crime problem, and it's it's nuts. And I just

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Speaker 1: noticed that there are a lot of masks being worn.

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Speaker 1: And this was in the summer, and it was indoors,

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Speaker 1: and it was the summer of what wasn't now twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two. I guess anyway, Trump is in Ashville. He's

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Speaker 1: speaking to everybody. Oh yeah, I made it. I tweeted

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Speaker 1: you know, I was just there on vacation. I feel

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Speaker 1: like I'm not trying to kick the hornet's nest of

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 1: Trump was there and he's speaking about Kamala's popol and this,

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Speaker 1: this is cut one. This is what he had to

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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris won't end the economic crisis. She will only

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Speaker 3: make it worse. And why hasn't she done it? She

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Speaker 3: talks about it, she's doing a plan. You know, she's

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Speaker 3: going to announce it this week. Maybe she's she's she's

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Speaker 3: waiting for me to announce it so she can copy it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's got a point, right. She did just

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Speaker 1: straight up copy the no tax on tips line or

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Speaker 1: has to do with bringing down prices. And she's going

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Speaker 1: to be in North Carolina Friday. Okay, so she's going

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Speaker 1: to lower the cost of specifically food is getting a

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Speaker 1: if you're wondering, how is the genius economist or business

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Speaker 1: Price controls, my friends, price controls. That's what they are

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Speaker 1: the Harris campaign in a sense. Let me explain first off,

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Speaker 1: as I've been saying, they know that they've got a

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Speaker 1: the whole election. And these are people for whom a

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Speaker 1: remember Biden was saying inflation was under control and had

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Speaker 1: had won, he had won the battle against inflation. Now,

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris has come forward and the first real policy

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Speaker 1: genius economist and business person Joe Biden. So I like

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Speaker 1: to tell people the only jobs Biden has ever created

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Speaker 1: Jobs program is crackhead hunter getting checks from Barisma. That's

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Speaker 1: all Biden knows about creating jobs. Anyway, Kamal is coming

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Speaker 1: forward now with price controls. This is perfect because it

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Speaker 1: This is another example of the socialist democrat free lunch fallacy.

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Speaker 1: And let me explain in shorthand why this is. It's

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Speaker 1: so appalling that she's doing this right now, or that

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Speaker 1: then did these you know, milk producers, bacon producers, meat,

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Speaker 1: meat processors. They only then did they start deciding, let's

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Speaker 1: That's quite a let's just start with that. Quite a coincidence,

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Speaker 1: It's the greedy food you know, food companies. It's the

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Speaker 1: people that actually make this stuff. It's the grocery store chains,

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Speaker 1: Guess what they started, price controls And you know what,

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Speaker 1: price controls lead to shortages. This is econ one oh

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Speaker 1: fight on Harris's behalf on this issue. Price controls create

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Speaker 1: a cause shortages, and then the shortages are blamed by

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Speaker 1: a Kamala Harris administration, and they say it is the

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Speaker 1: greedy capitalists who are doing this to you, which you've

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Speaker 1: in office, we'll talk about shrinkflation, and it's the greedy

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Speaker 2: My take but is, first of all, it's going to

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Speaker 2: to three years, just because it's a very slow system.

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Speaker 2: And what people should know about the New York system

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Speaker 2: is it is highly highly political, but more political the

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Speaker 2: lower down you are in the system, so that as

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Speaker 2: you go up to the Appellate Division and the Court

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Speaker 2: of Appeals, you actually get some real judges who actually

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Speaker 2: are interested in doing the job.

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Speaker 1: Of a judge.

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Speaker 2: Horseman, Yeah, And as a result, you know, for example,

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Speaker 2: Harvey Weinstein, it took well, it take three years between

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Speaker 2: the time he got tried and the time he got sentenced.

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Speaker 2: But the High Court New York actually threw out the

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Speaker 2: convictions of Harvey Weinstein, which you know, he's comparable to

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Speaker 2: Trump in the you know, in the degree of demagoguery

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Speaker 2: that surrounded that prosecution. But it wasn't outrageous. It was

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Speaker 2: objectively as you get pass what you thought of Harvey Weinstein,

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Speaker 2: it was an objectively unjust awful case and they came

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Speaker 2: out to the right results. And if you look buck

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Speaker 2: even in the civil case against Trump, the other travesty

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Speaker 2: that was brought by Tiss James, the Appellate Division reversed

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Speaker 2: Judge anger On a number of times on a number

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Speaker 2: of things, including most recently slashing the bond that Trump

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Speaker 2: had had to post in order to you know, continue

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Speaker 2: to prosecute the appeal without them being able to seize

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Speaker 2: his property. So I do think the judging gets better

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Speaker 2: as you go up in the system. And that's important

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Speaker 2: because there are I mean, there's a slew of reverse

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Speaker 2: of the lerror in this case. And frankly, if Judge

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Speaker 2: Marchon wanted to be a judge, the case should be

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Speaker 2: thrown out. The guilty verdict should be thrown out because

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court in the immunity case said that when

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Speaker 2: you're dealing with official acts of the president, it's not

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Speaker 2: just that you can't prosecute an official act as if

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Speaker 2: it was a crime in and of itself. With the

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Speaker 2: court said is you can't even use it as evidence

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Speaker 2: to prove acts or crimes that aren't based on official acts.

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Speaker 2: And here the DA obviously offered a lot of evidence

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Speaker 2: of acts that Trump took as president and while president,

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Speaker 2: they can't say they're not official acts. The DA's office

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Speaker 2: actually put on as witnesses two of Trump's White House staff,

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Speaker 2: and they can't say that that was unimportant testimony because

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Speaker 2: insummation the prosecutor said it was devastating testimony. So I

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Speaker 2: think just on the basis of that, he should have

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Speaker 2: vacated the guilty verdicts. But you know, he should have

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Speaker 2: done a lot of things under the law that he

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Speaker 2: didn't do. And I think the reasons for that is

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Speaker 2: this is a political exercise, not a legal one.

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Speaker 1: He also has conflicted himself, right, he's given to give

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Speaker 1: money to the Biden campaign and also has a daughter

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Speaker 1: who's a Democrat activist who's making more money now than

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Speaker 1: ever before. I mean, he should have recused himself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you asked about that, because there's a

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Speaker 2: couple of things about that that really need to be

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Speaker 2: pushed back on. You know. One is, whenever he gets

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Speaker 2: called on this, he waives around this advisory opinion that

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Speaker 2: he got from some judicial ethics channel in New York

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Speaker 2: that said that his campaign contributions were negligible in terms

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Speaker 2: of the low dollar amount, and therefore it was too

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Speaker 2: deminimous to disqualify him. I would point out two things

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Speaker 2: on this which I really wish, you know, we hear

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Speaker 2: more of from from the Trump camp. One is, when

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Speaker 2: someone makes a small dollar amount, you're not a contribution.

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Speaker 2: You're not making that contribution in order to help the

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Speaker 2: candidate win, right, A fifteen dollars.

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Speaker 1: Contribution is no, you're doing it for yourself to show

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Speaker 1: what team you're on exactly.

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Speaker 2: And that's to me, in many ways that's just as

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Speaker 2: important when you're talking about a judge, especially as giving

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Speaker 2: a big contribution. The other thing is just it's and

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Speaker 2: you you it has been great writing about this. It's

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Speaker 2: just slightly a violation of New York law. Under New

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Speaker 2: York judicial ethics law, they're not allowed to give campaign contributions,

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Speaker 2: they're not supposed to do it. He apparently merch On

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Speaker 2: got reprimanded for that. There's a letter about it, but

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Speaker 2: he won't release it. So I think that's like, to me,

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Speaker 2: that should be a very big deal. And as you

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Speaker 2: point out, Lauren merch On, the judge's daughter, is not

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Speaker 2: only a progressive political operative who does lucrative campaign work

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Speaker 2: for top Democrats who define themselves by their opposition to Trump.

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Speaker 2: Her number one client out in California is Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 2: So you know, it's hard to.

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Speaker 1: And this is all also under a I mean, I

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Speaker 1: just I know it's some some libs and some of

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Speaker 1: the talking heads out there would say to this, but

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Speaker 1: it only has to look bad, right, That's it's the

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Speaker 1: appearance of impropriety. It's not actually, you know, it's not

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Speaker 1: the judges taking bribes. It's I don't think the judge

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Speaker 1: can be honest because of these conflicts.

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Speaker 2: Right, And the reasons for that buck is very obvious.

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Speaker 2: The legitimacy of the outcomes of the justice system depend

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Speaker 2: on the perception of people that the system is on

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Speaker 2: the up and up. So even if a judge is

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Speaker 2: absolutely confident that he could be fair and objective, and

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Speaker 2: I'm sure in his own mind merch On believes this,

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Speaker 2: even though it seems clear to me that he's a

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Speaker 2: very political actor. It doesn't matter whether he actually did

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Speaker 2: do things that a conflicted person would do. All that

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Speaker 2: matters is that there's enough evidence there for to make

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Speaker 2: people wonder whether this is all legitimate or not, whether

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Speaker 2: whether he's really an objective jurist or not. And if

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Speaker 2: you look at the decisions that were made in this prosecution,

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Speaker 2: the judicial decisions from the pre trial stage through to

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Speaker 2: the point where we're at now, all of the bad decisions,

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Speaker 2: and there are many, all went in one direction.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's like it's like the media's lies about Trump.

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Speaker 1: Whenever they get something wrong, it's really bad for Trump, right,

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Speaker 1: it's never a story. They have to retract it Like

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Speaker 1: Trump's a great guy actually who knew?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can, you can play the odds all this

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Speaker 1: and know exactly what's going on. So Andy you think

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Speaker 1: he's going where? I mean, I think you're probably right,

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Speaker 1: given the fact that he gets to sentence him without

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Speaker 1: actually incarcerating him. If that's true, I can't because otherwise

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Speaker 1: if he gives him probation, It's like, why do you

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Speaker 1: bring this case in the first place, you know, right.

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Speaker 2: And let's remember, Book, they pitched this as set of

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Speaker 2: the most important job on the planet, the most consequential

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Speaker 2: political position in the country in the minds of the

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Speaker 2: people who are engaged in this, which would be merch

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Speaker 2: On and Bragg's office. This is not a penny anti

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Speaker 2: falsification of business records case. This is Trump conspired to

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Speaker 2: steal the presidency and he achieved it.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever have you ever seen at a high

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Speaker 1: level of public interest, Andy, a trial like this that

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Speaker 1: is just such a sham? I mean, is this the

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Speaker 1: most absurd criminal justice proceeding at this kind of level

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Speaker 1: of public scrutiny that you can You've ever seen? Have

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Speaker 1: you ever seen nothing worse?

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Speaker 2: Yes? No, I've never seen anything worse. And as you know, Book,

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Speaker 2: I'm hardly in the tank for Trump. But the only

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Speaker 2: thing that I could say that's even comparable is the

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Speaker 2: civil case against Trump. And look, so the two.

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Speaker 1: Worst cases, the two biggest miscarriages of justice from the

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Speaker 1: justice system at this level you've ever seen in terms

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Speaker 1: That's astonishing, guys, clambuck dot com. Andy's piece is linked

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Speaker 1: up there, go read it. Andy McCarthy, the one and

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Speaker 1: Only Andy, Thanks for making the time for us today.

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Speaker 1: The Harris Walls campaign has put out a statement they

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Speaker 1: are going to participate in two of the three presidential

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Speaker 1: the two VP debates. Jd Vance challenge Walls two. I

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Speaker 1: Fox News. So that's not a rise to me. She

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's just this is another one of these unfair things

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Speaker 1: It's all the same. The journal Kami's gonna try to

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Speaker 1: ambush him, do what they can to tilt the scales,

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Speaker 1: or tilt the tilt. Do you tilt the scales? I

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Speaker 1: don't know, something like that. Yeah, tilt the scales in

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Speaker 1: time as possible with Walls up on that stage, but

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Speaker 1: only one debate. So we're gonna get to presidential one

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Speaker 1: vice presidential debate.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, Trump is gonna he's gonna get a chance here.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna get a chance to expose Kamala Harris uh

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Speaker 1: had nothing to do with that. There's separation between her

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Speaker 1: fire hose of lies all the time, every day, and

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Speaker 1: we're going to keep fighting back against it. And we'll

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Speaker 1: talk more about that debate situation here in just a second. Also,

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