1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: You're listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast to 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Coast A and Paranormal podcast Network, where we offer you 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: podcasts of the supernatural and the unexplained. Getting ready now 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: for Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Schamplain. Welcome to 5 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: our podcast. Please be aware of the thoughts and opinions 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions only 7 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: and do not reflect those of I Heart Media, I 8 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, Coast to Coast AM employees of Premier Networks, 9 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: or their sponsors and associates. We would like to encourage 10 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,599 Speaker 1: you to do your own research and discover the subject 11 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: matter for yourself. Hi, I'm Sandra Champlain. For almost twenty 12 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: five years, I've been on a journey to prove the 13 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: existence of life after death. On each episode, will discuss 14 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: the reasons we now know that our loved ones have 15 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: survived physical death and so will we. Welcome to Shades 16 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife. The other day, I had an opportunity 17 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: to do a two minute infomercial just on grief, and 18 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: I thought I would read to you what I presented 19 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: because chance you have a loved one who has passed 20 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: or something horrific has gone on in your life. And 21 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: before we get into the main part of the show, 22 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: I just want to remind you, or if you haven't 23 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:44,559 Speaker 1: heard this already, how much grief impacts our life. It's automatic, 24 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: it's out of our control. But once we understand it, 25 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: we can do some things to move through it. Definitely, 26 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: learning about the afterlife and realizing your loved ones lived 27 00:01:55,760 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: on helps, but it doesn't cure everything. So let me 28 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: read this to you. This was actually after the big 29 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: hurricane hit Florida. When we think of grief, we think 30 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: of a death, but any time our lives drastically change, 31 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: we can grieve. With the hurricane, people not only lost 32 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: their homes, their jobs, their finances, their way of life, 33 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: and the future is so uncertain to them with so 34 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: much work ahead. Grief is out of our control and 35 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: brings with it fear, anger, sadness, pain, confusion, often arguments 36 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: with loved ones, and a sense that I won't make 37 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 1: it through this. Our human bodies run on neurotransmitters, just 38 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: like our cars use different fluids in order to function. 39 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 1: We can lose a lot of these healthy brain chemicals 40 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: like dopamine and serotonin when we grieve, as our minds 41 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: try to adjust to the new reality, but we can 42 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: rebuild them. Most important is to be gentle on yourself 43 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: and be in communication with others about your feelings. Don't 44 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: go it alone, ask for help and be there for others. 45 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: The mind might try to make you feel guilty, but 46 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: we can each take some deep breaths and look for 47 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: little things in life to be grateful for. It can 48 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: be your family or your pet, the air you breathe, 49 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: the music you listen to. Try to eat healthy, exercise, 50 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: drink lots of water, be with people, Listen to the 51 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: music you love, watch a funny movie, meditate, get some 52 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: sunshine on your shoulders. Don't direct anger at others, as 53 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: many people are going through their own silent battles. If 54 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: you need to punch a pillow or cry, do it. 55 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: If you have a journal, right in it. If you 56 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: have a smartphone, open the voice recorder and get of 57 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: thoughts out of your head into it. Be in the 58 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: present moment and do what you can with what you have. 59 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: Try not to be judgmental. Only when we can accept 60 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: a situation exactly as it is, can we make changes 61 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: and last, trust you are strong. You've made it through 62 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: tough times in the past and you will make it 63 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: through this. You know that I believe in the afterlife, 64 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: so I also gave the advice that we are surrounded 65 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: by loved ones cheering us on. I also shared the 66 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: website survive grief dot com that instantaneously brings you to 67 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: YouTube to a recording that I had first done after 68 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: my father had passed, and which made me want to 69 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: write my book and be with you here today. I 70 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: also want to share the name Elizabeth Kobler Ross. Have 71 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: you heard of her? You may have, and you may think, 72 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: why do I know this name? Well? She was a 73 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: Swiss born psychiatrist who worked with terminally ill patients. In 74 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,239 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine, she authored a book called On Death 75 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: and Dying, and she was the one who first discussed 76 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: the five stages of dying. We know them now as 77 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: the five stages of grieving. They are denial, anger, bargaining, depression, 78 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: and acceptance. Of course, since then there are so many more, 79 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: and you don't go through them in stages, and you 80 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: may go through all of them, or you may just 81 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: go through some. She found that people experience most of 82 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: these stages when death is coming, so not so much 83 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: for grief, but definitely when there was an impending death. 84 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: She also taught over a hundred and twenty five thousand 85 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: students about death and dying, and was greatly involved with 86 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: the formation of hospice and palliative care for the terminally ill. She, 87 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: as you can agree, is a magnificent woman for doing 88 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: all of this. But did you know that she believed 89 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: in the afterlife. After a lifetime of working with the 90 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: terminally ill, Elizabeth Coobler Ross heard enough stories of near 91 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: death experiences and visions from her patients that she started 92 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: her own investigation into the afterlife. Although she was previously 93 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: a skeptic about life after death, she researched more than 94 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 1: twenty thousand people who had near death experiences. She had 95 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: an NDE herself and authored a book called on Life 96 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: After Death. She was convinced of our continual existence after 97 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: physical death. What I want to do now is play 98 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: for you some of her words in her aking about this. 99 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: It's just a short clip and she was being interviewed 100 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: in by a fellow named Tony Adams. It is a 101 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: little hard to hear, there's a little static, but you 102 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: will be able to hear in her voice. And I 103 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: can do a little recap at the end, she became 104 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: really convinced with some of the work about some of 105 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: the stories about blind people having near death experiences. So 106 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: let's listen and then I can recap if you didn't 107 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: get it. Psychiatrist Elizabeth Coogler Ross, internationally known for her 108 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: pioneering work on death and dying, has heard the first 109 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: hand accomes of many of her patients and has herself 110 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: had a near death experience. Well, I've collected me of 111 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: this experiences for many, many many years, long before moving 112 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: and long before that's this published that very from the 113 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: groups like the death succeedience for that, and they those 114 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: beautiful and I knew that this is a reality. But 115 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: to me, it's a big difference between believe in twenty 116 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: self the cases that you can repeat anywhere that you 117 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: really want to, and between actually having it dissernce myself 118 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: and knowing and I say jokingly, my experience was more beautiful, 119 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: Phenola thing your self and pass act collected once they 120 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: have been in dislike and seeing dislike and the experience 121 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: dislike at the end of the tunnel, frondedly speaking, it's 122 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: such peace and such love that then you come back 123 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: it changes all your values. It changes the quality of 124 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: your life, and they can hang you on your turning 125 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: off in this jil. Now that death does not really 126 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: it's just a transformation to a different form of life. 127 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: You have an orthodox scientific background despite what has happened 128 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: to you, since how do you reconcile that scientific aspect 129 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: of you with something like the near death experience? It's 130 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: no conflict at all because I'm very is skeptical, square 131 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: straightswis and all the experiences I had, I could not 132 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: really comprehend how to put that in a scientific package. 133 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: So what I did, very simple, is I tried to 134 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: verify every aspect of it, like their whole. Again, when 135 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 1: we beave her physical body, how can we behold my 136 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: Vietnam veterans have had three extremities amplitate? How can they 137 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: have all that experiments? Why isn't this a projection of 138 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: wishful things? And the amol the psychiatrists, I always have 139 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: a psychiatrist excuse the explanation for it. But to verify 140 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: that too, blind people A blind people, very treatiful criteria. 141 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: They had to be blind for ten years or more 142 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: without like perception, I mean, really scientific, very difficult to 143 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: find cases. But I found a few cases of totally 144 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,599 Speaker 1: blind people who had the near their experience, and I 145 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: asked them what they saw at the moment of disnear 146 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 1: of their experience. They were able to tell me that 147 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 1: you with black and white jacket, and they had the 148 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 1: shirt and the white cloud. What kind of frame tae 149 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: classes you have? What kind of frames I have? Blind 150 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: people can't do that. I know this is not possible. 151 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: And my scientific colleagues say, oh, this is often deprivation. 152 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: And you know what that said to that you can 153 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: ever the step of their experience that you can verify 154 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: if you are open and wanting seem My belief is 155 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: that they are not here to convince other people. I 156 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 1: shared what I know and how I verified it to 157 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,839 Speaker 1: my satisfacts. And those who can hear well here and 158 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: those who do not hear, they look just deep pleasantly 159 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 1: suppressed and they make their own compass. I know that 160 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 1: was lousy equality, but I wanted you to hear her 161 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: own voice. I mean, she pioneered hospice and palliative care, 162 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: and it was her voice long before Dr Raymond Moody's. 163 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: So this is what she said, I have collected near 164 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: death experience is for many, many years, long before Moody's 165 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: book Life Afterlife came out, and long before it was published, 166 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: with familiar words like near death experience. It was beautiful 167 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: and I knew this was a reality. But for me, 168 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: there was a big difference between believing twenty thousand cases 169 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: that you can repeat anywhere if you really want to, 170 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: and being actually able to have the experience yourself and 171 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: knowing once you have been in this light and seen 172 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: this light and experience this light at the end of 173 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: the tunnel, symbolically speaking, it is such peace and such 174 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: love that when you come back, it changes all of 175 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: your values, It changes the quality of your life, and 176 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 1: they can hang you by your tone nails, and you 177 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: still know that death is not the end, but a 178 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: transformation into a different form of life. She also talks 179 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: about her Vietnam veterans who had three limbs amputated, and 180 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: she says in the afterlife they had all of their limbs. 181 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: And to verify all of this, she says, I took 182 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: blind people with very critical criteria. They had to be 183 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: blind for ten years or more without light perception, so 184 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: really scientific. When I asked them what they saw at 185 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: the moment of this near death experience. They were able 186 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 1: to tell me, for example, that you were wearing a 187 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: blue or black jacket with a red shirt and white blouse, 188 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: and what kind of frames on the glasses you had 189 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: been wearing. Blind people cannot do that. My scientific colleague say, 190 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: this is oxygen deprivation. And you know what I say 191 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: to that. She had a good sense of humor, didn't she. 192 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: She also says she is not here to convince anyone. 193 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: I share what I know and how I verified it, 194 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: and those that don't believe will be pleasantly surprised when 195 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: they make their own transition. So let's take a break. 196 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: We'll be back. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife 197 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a 198 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 1: m paranormal podcast network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. 199 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: I'm Sandras Champlain, and we started off talking about Elizabeth 200 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: Coobler Ross and hearing her voice and it just led 201 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: me into wanting to discover more about the blind people 202 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: who can see during a near death experience. This next 203 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: clip that I have for you is Dr Gary have 204 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,719 Speaker 1: her Mess and he is being asked for an example 205 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: of blind people who can see during a near death experience. 206 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: So here's his answer. Probably the US one of this category, Well, 207 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: I'll give you two. One is a a sightless person 208 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: from birth who was given a gift, and the gift 209 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: was a tie. Somebody gave them a tie, and when 210 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: they had the near death experience, the tie was still 211 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: sitting there and they saw the tie for the first 212 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: time as opposed to unwrapping it and feeling it. They 213 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: saw the tie and they were able to give a 214 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: pretty minute description of how the colors went in and out, 215 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: what kind of design was on the tie, and of 216 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: course went back to not seeing anything after that. A 217 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: more detailed one from a person who was blind was 218 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: from a woman whose two best friends had preceded her 219 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: in death. All three were blind, and this has been 220 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: published in more than one place. She had a near 221 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: death experience, a pretty a pretty involved one, and she 222 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: saw both of her friends for what seemed like seconds 223 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: or a minute before she kind of before she came back. Now, 224 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: she'd been best friends with these people. And when you're blind, 225 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: you know, you can feel somebody's face, you can feel 226 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: a contour, you can have somebody even say another blind 227 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: person could say, oh, my hair is not it's kind of, 228 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: you know, clogged up, I need to calm this or whatever. 229 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: You can hear descriptions that you can get a word 230 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: picture for. But she saw her friends for the first time, 231 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: so she noticed contours and things about their face that 232 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: she never knew about them before, because they're not the 233 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: kind of things that you would talk about. A small 234 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: mole over here or something that caught her attention, and 235 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: she came back and reported what both of the young 236 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: ladies look like. Now, again, you can know what your 237 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: best friend looks like, but when you see them for 238 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: the first time, inevitably something different is going to be 239 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: reported that you never picture them having before that. You know, uh, 240 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: darker skin than you thought, lighter skin than you thought, 241 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: Uh younger, look here, you look way too young for 242 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: your age, or you know whatever. And that was the 243 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: case with her. This next story is Vicky Nora Tuck, 244 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,119 Speaker 1: and I have read her about her near death experience 245 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: in the eighties, but I wanted to find a clip 246 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: so you can actually hear her voice. So this one 247 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: that I found is her telling the story, and at 248 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: the very end there's some bits from other people who 249 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: had had near death experiences, but this news show didn't 250 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: cover her whole story. So after the explanation, I'll let 251 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: you know what else she saw that wasn't covered in 252 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: this interview. All right, here's Vicky. I've never seen anything, 253 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: no light, no shadows, no nothing. A lot of people 254 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: ask if I see black. No, I do not see black. 255 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: I do not see anything at all. And in my dreams, 256 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: I don't see any visual impressions. It's just taste, touch, sound, 257 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: and smell, but no visual impressions of anything. In Haraldi twenties, 258 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: Vicky was involved in a serious car accident. The next 259 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: thing I recall, I was in Harbor View Medical Center 260 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: and looking down at everything that was happening, and it 261 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: was frightening because I'm not accustomed to see things visually 262 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 1: because I'd never had before. And initially it was pretty scary. 263 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: And then I finally recognized my wedding ring and my hair, 264 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: and I thought, is this my body down there? And 265 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: am I dead? Or what? They kept saying, We can't 266 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,239 Speaker 1: bring her back, We can't bring her back, and they 267 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: were trying to frantically work on this thing that I 268 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: discovered with my body, and I felt very detached from 269 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: it and sort of some what and I was thinking, 270 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: you know, what are these people getting so upset about. 271 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 1: Then I thought, I'm out of here. I can't get 272 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: these people to listen to me. And as soon as 273 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: I thought that, I went up through the ceiling as 274 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: if it were nothing. And it was wonderful to be 275 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: out there and be free, not worry about bumping into anything. 276 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 1: And I knew where I was going, and I heard 277 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: the sound of wind chimes. It was the most incredible 278 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: sound that I could describe. It was very lowest to 279 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 1: the very highest tones. As I was approaching this area, 280 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: there were trees and there were birds and quite a 281 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: few people, but they were all like made out of light, 282 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: and I could see and it was incredible, really beautiful, 283 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 1: and I was overwhelmed by that experience because I couldn't 284 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: really imagine what light was like. It's still a very 285 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: emotional thing when I talked about this, because um, there 286 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: was a point at which I could bring forth any 287 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: knowledge I wanted to have, and it was like this 288 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: place was where all knowledge was. And then I was 289 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: sent back and then I went back into my body 290 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: and it was excruciatingly painful and very heavy, and I 291 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: remember feeling very sick. Vicky's case suggests that her mind 292 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: was working at a time when her brain was unable 293 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: to supply it with such a visual information even if 294 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: she could see. With some scientists questioning the idea that 295 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: near death experiences might be declaring when the brain has 296 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: stopped functioning, the work by Dr Pim van Lommel and 297 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: doctor Sam Pannier and Peter Fennick may have huge implications 298 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: for neuroscience. If you look through science, what's amazing is 299 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: that the things that any group of scientists often believe 300 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: has been completely black and white, I mean completely correct. 301 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: If you look fifty years later, most of all of 302 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: them have been changed. And I think with this subject 303 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: as well, in the future will find that that actually 304 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,719 Speaker 1: mind may well be a separate scientific entity that can 305 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: continue functioning when we reached the end of life and 306 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 1: when the brain has stopped working. That will have huge 307 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: implications for all of mankind. There's no doubt about it 308 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: will revolutionize a whole way of scientific thinking, and it 309 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: will open up a whole new field of science which 310 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: has have yet been undiscovered. If I was in a 311 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: vote accident, I would be quite happy to stay where 312 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: I was now. My children have grown up. I've got 313 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: no problems, no difficulties, certainly no fear of death. It's 314 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: almost now, because see how you'd actually welcome it. I'm 315 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: very thankful to have had this experience because it helped 316 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: me in many aspects of my life, and it helped 317 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: me to deal with things a lot more constructively than 318 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: I might have otherwise. But it died to happen. Nothing 319 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 1: near death experience. Yes that's a carning answer, I know, 320 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: but it's true. But had I not had that new 321 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 1: death experience, I would have no interest in meaning today. 322 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: I think death is an illusial I think death is 323 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: a really nasty, bad lie. I don't seeing any truth 324 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: in the word death at all. Don't you love all 325 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: the background music from the videos from the eighties. Anyways, 326 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: Vicky's story was not told completely, and maybe because it 327 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: was on the news, they didn't want to get into religion. 328 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: But you know me, I'm open to talk about anything 329 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: I find from all the people that I've interviewed. If 330 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: you believe in Jesus, Jesus is there. If you're an atheist, 331 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: you get this feeling of light and love, and depending 332 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 1: on what your beliefs are, is what you find in 333 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: the afterlife, it's all very comfortable so that we don't 334 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: freak out when we arrive. It's a land very much 335 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: like we experience. But after Vicky heard those beautiful chimes, 336 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 1: she said, she found herself lying on grass and there 337 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: was just tremendous light, and she felt safe and she 338 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: felt love from the trees and the flowers. Of course 339 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: she could see them, and she's always been blind, and 340 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: she saw people people made of light. She even saw 341 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: her old schoolmates that had died years before her. She 342 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: said she had gone to school with some blind kids 343 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: like herself that were severely disabled, and they were all there, 344 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 1: healthy and well to greet her. She said, even her grandmother, 345 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: who had died two years previously. It was there. She 346 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: could see her, and she could hug her. She saw 347 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: Jesus and he hugged her and just really took her in, 348 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: and she knew she would be completely safe and that 349 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: there was nothing to fear. She got to see her 350 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: life from birth to that time and all of the 351 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: decisions she made, what all of the repercussions were of 352 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: her actions, And she says, next thing, you know, she 353 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: landed back in her body. So I wanted to just 354 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: include all of it, because I think it's an important 355 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 1: story to tell. One of the favorite stories I have 356 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,719 Speaker 1: heard was about a lady who again was always blind, 357 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: and when she had died on flatlined on the table 358 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: and she rose above, she saw her husband in the 359 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: hallway talking to a doctor, and the doctor had dropped 360 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: a pen, and the husband had went down and he 361 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: picked it up and gave it back to the doctor, 362 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: and the husband noticed that the doctor had one blue 363 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: sock and one purple sock, so it was just something small. 364 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: But yet when she came back to consciousness, yes he 365 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: had had that conversation with a doctor, Yes he picked 366 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: up the pen, and yes he had the two different 367 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:44,959 Speaker 1: colored socks. And again, she was always blind, so her 368 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: consciousness knew this. So rest assured, my friends. Whether you're blind, 369 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: or whether you have any kind of infirmities or ailments 370 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: or addictions or anything, you are restored to complete. Hell. 371 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 1: You get to pick your best health, your best age, 372 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: your best hairstyle for perhaps too. But there is nothing 373 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: to fear, nothing, nothing, nothing. So let's take a break 374 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: and then we'll be back with something else magical. You're 375 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart 376 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:41,479 Speaker 1: Radio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome 377 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sander Champlain and 378 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: if you are as fascinated as I am with near 379 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: death experiences and near death experiences of the blind, be 380 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: sure to do some research on Kenneth ring Now. Back 381 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: in Ken ray was a young professor of psychology when 382 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: he read Dr Raymond Moody's groundbreaking book Life Afterlife and 383 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: felt inspired to do more research. So he's written many books, 384 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: including one called Mind Site, Near Death and Out of 385 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: Body Experiences in the Blind. So he went out and 386 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 1: he studied thirty one blind people, and half of these 387 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: people have been blind since birth. And each one of 388 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: these people was able to see accurate information of the 389 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: doctors operating on them, the people who came into visit, 390 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: the colors they were wearing, and often visions of angels 391 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: and deceased relatives. Pretty cool. Listen to this quote by 392 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 1: Helen Keller. Death is no more than passing from one 393 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: room to another. But there's a difference for me, you know, 394 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: because in that other room I shall be able to see. 395 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 1: What I'd like to do next is play some words 396 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: of ken Ring not about blind people, but about his 397 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: near death experience research and the Life Review. This is 398 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: a conversation he had with Jeffrey miss Love, and Jeffrey 399 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: miss Love is amazing. He's got a great YouTube channel 400 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: and you can find all kinds of consciousness interviews and 401 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: also lots about the afterlife. You can go to New 402 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: Thinking alloud dot org. So let's listen to Ken Ring. 403 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: Pure A person has an experience, the near death experience, 404 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: and it may take place almost in a flash of 405 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: a second, and yet it takes years and years to 406 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: sort of work through what was given in that moment, 407 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: as in mystical experiences, where you can have an illuminated insight, uh, 408 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: you know, within a very short period of time, and 409 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: then maybe take thirty years to you know, to write 410 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: a series of books that try to say what you 411 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 1: learned in that particular moment. And that's very much the 412 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: challenge that a near death experi answer has to face 413 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,719 Speaker 1: as well. There's something tremendous that happens that changes Psyche 414 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: and Somma in this particular experience. But the working out 415 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: of all that information and the living of it with 416 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: with in such a way as to be to live 417 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: with integrity and to honor the experience. That takes a 418 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: lot of work, and that's why I would say caution 419 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,960 Speaker 1: against making too easy an assumption of seeing the light 420 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 1: and being a lightened. No, seeing the light is maybe 421 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: just like the first step, and people really awaken when 422 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,919 Speaker 1: they see the light. But the real work that they 423 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: have to do follows the experience. It's not done automatically 424 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: simply by having it, especially I suppose in our culture, 425 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: which tends to be materialistic. Can It strikes me that 426 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: the most intriguing aspect of the near death experience is 427 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: what you refer to as the life review process. When 428 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: people see their lives, not just see feel experience in 429 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: great detail, their whole lives flashing in front of them, 430 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: and not only their lives, but even how their actions 431 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: affect other people. It's as if they feel the emotions 432 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: of the people who have been touched by them, well, 433 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: not as if they do. I think this is one 434 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: of the most remarkable aspects of a near death experience, 435 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: and it's one that's not really given the amount of 436 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: attention that it should. Obviously, many people know about the light, 437 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: they know about the out of body experience, but The 438 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: thing that really is I think important about the near 439 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: death experience, and in regard to the life review phenomenon, 440 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: is it isn't just a life review. It's a reliving 441 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: of your life. And when people describe this not it's 442 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: not always done in this way, but when people describe 443 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: the full experience, it's every single act that you have done, 444 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: every single thought that you have thought, every single word 445 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: that you have spoken. Suddenly all of this is back 446 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: with you. You have, you have, you are running through 447 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: it again, and as you say, you see and you 448 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: experience the effects of these acts, these thoughts, and these 449 00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: words other people. Let me just give you one briefly 450 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: example to illustrate this. I have a friend who had 451 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: who when growing up, was kind of a a roughneck. 452 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: He had had a hot temper and he was always 453 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: getting into scrapes. And one day he was driving in 454 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: his truck through the suburb of the town where he 455 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: lived and he almost hit a pedestrian and he got 456 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: very aggravated in his pedestrian. And he was a very 457 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: big physical guy still is, and a fight ensued and 458 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: he punched this guy out and left him unconscious on 459 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: the pavement, got back into his truck and roared off. 460 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: Fifteen years later, this guy has a near death experience. 461 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: Oddly enough, it was caused by by an accident in 462 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: regard to his own truck at that time, but in 463 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: any event, he has a near death experience. And during 464 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: the near death experience, he has a life review, and 465 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: in his life review, this particular scene whereof the fight 466 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: takes place again comes up in his life review, and 467 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: he said that, as many people do, he had he 468 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: kind of experienced this from a dual aspect. There was 469 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: a part of him that was almost as if he 470 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: were high up in a building looking through a window 471 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: and seeing the fight below. But at the same time 472 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: he was observe irving the fight like a spectator. He 473 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: found himself in the fight, except this time he found 474 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: himself in the role of the other person. And he 475 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: felt all thirty two blows that he had reigned on 476 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: this person originally fifteen years ago, now being inflicted upon himself. 477 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: He felt his teeth cracking, he felt the blood in 478 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: his teeth, He felt everything that this other person must 479 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: have felt at that particular time. It was a complete 480 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: role reversal and empathic life review experience. And this is 481 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: the sort of thing that many people report, and when 482 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: they report these kinds of experience, as they realize that 483 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: in our life, we are the very people that we hurt, 484 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: We are the very people that we helped to feel good, 485 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: and we experienced these actions as though done to ourselves 486 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: in the life review, so that when people start talking 487 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: about the Golden rule in the context of the near 488 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: death experience, the golden rule is not just a precept 489 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: for moral conduct. It's the way it works. And you 490 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: experienced this during the life review, and you learned that 491 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: lesson in a very forced a way as a result 492 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: of going through this kind of experience. And that's why 493 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: when people have in these they change as much as 494 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: they do, because it can if you can even imagine 495 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: what it must be like to go through your entire 496 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: life and see everything that you've ever done without judgment 497 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: but from a kind of almost omniscient point of view 498 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: with regard to the effects of those actions, and see 499 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: what your actions due to other people. It's a heavy 500 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: kind of lesson, and you're not you're not some It's 501 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: something that that stays with you and it informs your 502 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: conduct for you know, for the time after your near 503 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: death experience. The implications of what you're saying are just enormous. 504 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: It touches on ethics, it touches on theology, it touches 505 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: on psychology, it goes I think it just rips the 506 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: whole field of psychology apart to try and grasp something 507 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: like that that cannot be contained within a single academic discipline. 508 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: And it's reminiscent to me of an eye for an eye, 509 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: a tooth for a tooth. Well, I think a lot 510 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: of the aspects of the near death experience do burst 511 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,239 Speaker 1: our understanding of what's possible in science. I mean, how 512 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: is it possible that in one instant, outside of time, 513 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: your entire life can be laid there before you and 514 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: you can experience everything in terms of the effects on 515 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: other people and come back with that particular understanding. It's 516 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: not possible, and yet it happens. It doesn't happen in 517 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: it just a few cases, it happens repeatedly to people. 518 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: So it does give us a lot to think about. 519 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: And that's why I say in my book Lessons from 520 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: the Light, the near death experience isn't given just to 521 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: those who have the experience. It's given to all of 522 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: us to learn from because all of us can profit 523 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: by the lessons that near death experience has learned in 524 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: the course of the life review or other aspects of 525 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: their experience, and we can grow from these lessons. We 526 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: can apply these lessons into our daily life. I have 527 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: to think that people watching this program right now must 528 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: feel very moved learning about this. Well. I like to 529 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,239 Speaker 1: think that they at least would ponder this. And one 530 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: of the things that I've done in some of my 531 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: classes and some of my workshops is I and I 532 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: don't necessarily have to take it from my book. You 533 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: can go to almost any book on the near death 534 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: experience that talks about the life review and cull similar examples. 535 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: But I take about a half a dozen of these stories, 536 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,320 Speaker 1: like the one that I just related to you about 537 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: the guy getting into that fight, and I asked people 538 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: to read these stories very slowly in an almost meditative way, 539 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 1: and then to reflect on them. And then after they 540 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 1: do this for perhaps ten minutes, I asked them to 541 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: complete the following sentence when I reflect on these commentaries 542 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 1: in relationship to my own life comma I And when 543 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: people have that stem of the sentence and they begin 544 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 1: to and they have this kind of information. It's a 545 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: very very powerful exercise. I've seen people weep in terms 546 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: of some of the realizations that they come to, and 547 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: I often have people that discuss the insights that they get. 548 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: And this is one of the ways that people can 549 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: put the near death experience to work in their own lives, 550 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: simply by by taking these accounts and buying a sense 551 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: internalizing them and realizing that, yeah, this is going to 552 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,919 Speaker 1: be your experience. I mean, this is on the level 553 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: if we are really going to experience when we die 554 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: what our entire lives have been about and our effects 555 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 1: on others, it will make us very reflective. And as 556 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: some of the near death experiences that I've talked with 557 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: who have had this experience have told me, they now 558 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: think ahead of time. They almost like to do a 559 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: little processing. They say, how do I want to see 560 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: this particular scene in my life review? And so they 561 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: use this information not just in a in a retrospective 562 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: sense so of how they've actually acted, but as a 563 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: way to program or rehearse certain kinds of actions, because 564 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 1: they can anticipate that they're going to be experiencing this 565 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 1: from all sides, not just from their own ego invested side. 566 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: It makes me think that it would be much easier 567 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: for me to forgive other people for various behaviors that 568 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: I'm judgmental about, knowing that they are going to inevitably 569 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:55,320 Speaker 1: experience the consequences of their behavior. I think one of 570 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: the things that the near death experience does, and even 571 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: reading or hearing about it does as it tends to 572 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: increase your compassion and your understanding of other people you 573 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 1: know and in. One of the things that happens in 574 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: the near death experience is people are not judged. There 575 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,800 Speaker 1: is no sense of external judgment. We are not judged. 576 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: Going to underline that we are not judged. There is 577 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 1: nobody who is going to say your life on earth 578 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: was great, you go this way. Your life on earth 579 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,720 Speaker 1: was bad, you go this way. It's not going to happen. 580 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: We look at our own life as growth for our soul. 581 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: Interesting that we experience life from other people's perspective. Doesn't 582 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 1: that make you want to pay attention to your life now? 583 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 1: If you've got to revisit it, It's better to be honest, 584 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:52,319 Speaker 1: it's better to care, it's better to be compassionate. All 585 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: those good things. I don't want any of us to 586 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 1: have a near death experience to learn this. I want 587 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: us to learn the simple nation from these episodes and 588 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: go forward living a good life based on what we 589 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 1: know happens. So we're going to go into our final break, 590 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: and when we come back, I want to talk about 591 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: us all being connected. How is it that we can 592 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,960 Speaker 1: experience something from someone else's perspective? I also want to 593 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 1: share some very comforting words. When today a girl asked 594 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: about her loved ones, will they retain their personality? Will 595 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 1: they remember her when we get back. You're listening to 596 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and 597 00:37:40,640 --> 00:38:03,840 Speaker 1: Coast Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades 598 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife. I'm Sander Champlain. How are we all connected? 599 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 1: How is it possible for people to experience life from 600 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,280 Speaker 1: another person's perspective, as in the life review that happens 601 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: during a near death experience. You know what else I 602 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,359 Speaker 1: find fascinating When I have taken mediumship classes and I've 603 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 1: accurately told people about their deceased loved ones, guess how 604 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 1: the information comes through to me? Yes, it comes through 605 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: my imagination, but it comes through as if I am 606 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 1: actually experiencing it in the first person, like I am 607 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 1: actually that person. I feel real love for the person 608 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: I'm talking to, just like I'm their spouse or grandparents. 609 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: How is that possible? The memories feel like my memories 610 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 1: as if I am that person. I can feel a 611 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 1: sense of excitement, but again I'm experiencing it as that person. 612 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 1: This morning I happened upon a YouTube video of a 613 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 1: Ted talk. Scientist and astrophysicist Tom She has a talk 614 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,959 Speaker 1: called Everything is Connected. Now. He does not talk about 615 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 1: the afterlife, but these three things really got me thinking 616 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: about how we are connected. He starts off with the 617 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: first one, talking about how our hearts beat, and we 618 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: need a molecule running through our blood called hemoglobin, and 619 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 1: hemoglobin carries a smaller molecule and at the heart of 620 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: that molecule is a single atom of iron. And now 621 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:49,280 Speaker 1: get this, where is iron created. The only way iron 622 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 1: is created in the universe is through supernovas and through 623 00:39:53,960 --> 00:40:01,400 Speaker 1: super massive stars. There are things called galactic collisions that 624 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,879 Speaker 1: we can see images of from the Hubble Space telescope, 625 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 1: and in that process, which takes a billion years to do, 626 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 1: iron is produced. So we literally are made up of 627 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 1: star stuff. The second thing he spoke about is the 628 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,960 Speaker 1: air we breathe. We take it for granted, but two 629 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,439 Speaker 1: and a half billion years ago there was not air 630 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 1: as such. A tiny organism developed to do what we 631 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: know now as photo synthesis, and then it took nine 632 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:42,000 Speaker 1: hundred million years for this organism to spread enough so 633 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: that around the world carbon dioxide could be turned into air. Eventually, 634 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 1: the ozone layer was created, enabling us to retain this 635 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,360 Speaker 1: air here on Earth. And here we are six hundred 636 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 1: million years later, and we are able to breathe and 637 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:07,280 Speaker 1: live as is everything on planet Earth. Good things take time, 638 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: and now we're connected to every plant. We need them 639 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,239 Speaker 1: and they need us to create and use the air 640 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,319 Speaker 1: we breathe. I'll get to the third way, he says. 641 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 1: We're connected in a moment, but first I want to 642 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,919 Speaker 1: share something that happened today during our trance medium demonstration 643 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 1: with Scott Milligan. This is a question I asked on 644 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 1: behalf of a gal who was in our Zoom audience, 645 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 1: our friend Sarah. She asks if she will see her 646 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 1: family again that has passed, and if they retain the 647 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 1: same personality and the same bonds, do they feel close 648 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,720 Speaker 1: to us? And she fears that they may fade away 649 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 1: and she may be forgotten to them. Well, my friend, 650 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 1: may I say this too. I trust that Sarah is well. 651 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 1: We give her words at all, help her sleep much 652 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:08,799 Speaker 1: more peacefully. Everyone that has gone before you you will 653 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 1: see again. I am certain. I know which may be 654 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:21,800 Speaker 1: arrogance to say. But if there was love, love is 655 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:28,239 Speaker 1: the threads that will hold you all together. Personalities of 656 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:35,319 Speaker 1: cost will be held, but without the imperfections. Habits will 657 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:41,960 Speaker 1: be broken, but maybe thought fondly of. For if one 658 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:47,320 Speaker 1: liked the devil's brow, you'll know that his alcohol. You 659 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,960 Speaker 1: cannot drink in our world, but you can drink the 660 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:56,759 Speaker 1: memory of it without the effects of it. If one 661 00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:05,399 Speaker 1: like consumption, you cannot consume something physical, but you can 662 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:10,440 Speaker 1: have the memory of it. And I think that may 663 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 1: have caused or promoted disagreement. There is a deeper understanding 664 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:22,480 Speaker 1: in our world. It may take someone who has newly 665 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:27,600 Speaker 1: arrived just a moment to adjust, but it is only 666 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:32,640 Speaker 1: a moment. It is often said, Sarah at my friend 667 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,760 Speaker 1: that we live in the summer land. The summer land 668 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 1: owns that title because it's summer in your world is 669 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:49,160 Speaker 1: where everyone is at its best, and sometimes that vacation 670 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:56,719 Speaker 1: is taken in this time where families meet, and it 671 00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:01,560 Speaker 1: is a break away from the old. In our world 672 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 1: it is peace. The old has faded away. There is 673 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,799 Speaker 1: no one who arrives in our world who is not met. 674 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:20,840 Speaker 1: Everyone is made by the family, by animals that you 675 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:31,280 Speaker 1: have loved, friends, teachers, people like myself who have been watching. 676 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:37,760 Speaker 1: We are all there. There will be houses here, fil 677 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:45,640 Speaker 1: great concerts, enjoyment, and all that you could ever matter. 678 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 1: If your father enjoyed singing it but could not sing 679 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:57,640 Speaker 1: a note, he will hold you with great voice. If 680 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,320 Speaker 1: your brother or your sister uh wish to play quitar 681 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:07,719 Speaker 1: but couldn't play note, their fingers will know exactly what 682 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:13,680 Speaker 1: to do to make the music pleasing. It is the 683 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 1: paradise I speak of. But before you come, you've got 684 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:24,920 Speaker 1: to live. But live with the knowledge that the family 685 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:31,040 Speaker 1: that you love is there with you, is there for you. 686 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,360 Speaker 1: Never let go, because they will never let go of you. 687 00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:51,400 Speaker 1: Happy smiles, happy memories, happy time. Live and continue to 688 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:57,279 Speaker 1: make them proud as they continue to do all that 689 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:03,719 Speaker 1: they can to ensure that you live as long as 690 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:10,880 Speaker 1: you can with the knowledge now so within you that 691 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,320 Speaker 1: you will meet again, if it is not in dreams, 692 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:21,840 Speaker 1: it is not impossive moments, it will certainly be in 693 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:26,200 Speaker 1: the shows of our woe. I say that as a 694 00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:31,799 Speaker 1: promise to you, Sarah, your family will open the door 695 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,919 Speaker 1: for you. Take care. I have been blessed to work 696 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,240 Speaker 1: with Eric Johnson through the trans mediumship of Scott Milligan 697 00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,680 Speaker 1: for almost seven years now and just felt that those 698 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 1: words would be important to all. The third thing that 699 00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,480 Speaker 1: scientist Tom che talked about how we're all connected is 700 00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,760 Speaker 1: through legacy. The example that he shared was the piano. 701 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,880 Speaker 1: Before the seventeen hundreds, there was no piano. Think of 702 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,160 Speaker 1: all the music we listened to now and the keyboards. 703 00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,720 Speaker 1: It all started out with the invention of the piano. 704 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,520 Speaker 1: Think about oil paint Who created all those colors and paints? 705 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,560 Speaker 1: Who knows, But we think of some of the great 706 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:24,560 Speaker 1: paintings that will live on forever. There's things like electricity, lighting, 707 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:31,359 Speaker 1: the Internet, our cell phones, radios. Someone created this, many 708 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,440 Speaker 1: people did. There are people that create great inventions that 709 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,040 Speaker 1: leave a legacy that we are all now connected to 710 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,719 Speaker 1: because we use them. But we human beings leave a 711 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,400 Speaker 1: legacy of who we are being. In the last episode, 712 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,000 Speaker 1: I talked about my personal proof of the afterlife through 713 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,919 Speaker 1: Sonya Ronaldi with the pictures that she's captured of both 714 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,400 Speaker 1: my dad and my former boyfriend Michael coming through in 715 00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,719 Speaker 1: trance images. And if you haven't seen in those, you 716 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,440 Speaker 1: can and we Don't Die dot com just click on 717 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,279 Speaker 1: the radio show tab and then right up at the 718 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,319 Speaker 1: top there's a link to see the photos. But if 719 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,920 Speaker 1: you think of enough people finding out about someone like 720 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:18,480 Speaker 1: son you're a aldi capturing these images and voices. And 721 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:23,920 Speaker 1: then if enough people knew about them and started experimenting, 722 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,680 Speaker 1: imagine what would be possible. The first cell phones are 723 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:33,040 Speaker 1: big clunky things, and look now we have almost all 724 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,600 Speaker 1: the information in the universe fits right into our hand. 725 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,080 Speaker 1: I ask that you leave the legacy of being true 726 00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,600 Speaker 1: to who you are. You are one of a kind. 727 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:50,360 Speaker 1: Be kind, be generous, be positive, be grateful, see the 728 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:55,560 Speaker 1: good in life and others. Don't gossip, and always try 729 00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,000 Speaker 1: to be the best you can be. If these episodes 730 00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,279 Speaker 1: or something that's good for humanity makes a difference for you, 731 00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:09,320 Speaker 1: share them. Keep the cycle going of staying connected with 732 00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:14,320 Speaker 1: enough minds interested in afterlife communication. I guarantee you the 733 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,600 Speaker 1: tipping point will occur. We may just be talking to 734 00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,560 Speaker 1: our loved ones in the afterlife with the device we 735 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,440 Speaker 1: hold in our hands, and we don't want it to 736 00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:28,960 Speaker 1: be million years like the air we breathe. So with that, 737 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,360 Speaker 1: our time has come to an end today. As always, 738 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,040 Speaker 1: it has been my pleasure to be your host on 739 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,600 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. Come join me live on one 740 00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,759 Speaker 1: of our free Sunday gatherings complete with a medium demonstration. 741 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:49,840 Speaker 1: All details that we Don't Die dot com. So in closing, 742 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:54,400 Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain and a warm giant hug to you 743 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,400 Speaker 1: wherever in the world you are. Thank you for listening 744 00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,880 Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio 745 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:18,720 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast a m Paranormal podcast Network. Thanks 746 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,719 Speaker 1: for listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast to 747 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,719 Speaker 1: Coast a and Paranormal Podcast Network. Make sure and check 748 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,479 Speaker 1: out all our shows on the I heart Radio app 749 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,239 Speaker 1: or by going to i heart radio dot com.