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Speaker 1: Welcome to America's now, Mr garbutsch Off. Tear down this wall.

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Speaker 1: what you've been waiting for all day. Buck Sexton, with

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Speaker 1: have a runoff now on what does it? May seventh,

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining. We gotta talk about

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Speaker 1: also get into the latest on Afghanistan. We've got fantastic

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Speaker 1: Selina Zito will be joining Tell us about what Trump

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Speaker 1: voters think a hundred days, almost a hundred days into

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Speaker 1: a Trump administration. We'll also get into the latest from

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Speaker 1: the left, Bernie Sanders, what the Hillary people are up to,

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Speaker 1: what Bernie Sanders is saying about America, the policies of

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Speaker 1: also talk about Afghanistan later on the show. Terrible attack

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Speaker 1: What does that mean for the country. We've got an

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Speaker 1: So we have a glooming shut down of the government.

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Speaker 1: Now we've been here before. This is to borrow from

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Speaker 1: Yogi Bearra deja vu all over again. And look at

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Speaker 1: that it's French too. We're tying everything together here, may

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Speaker 1: we be asu uh. We've been at this government shutdown

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Speaker 1: mind the more difficult conversation about how we're still spending

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Speaker 1: let's call it lepin. Where America it's America, right, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna speak American now, le Pin. So, uh. She wants

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Speaker 1: to get the French out of the EU. She wants

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Speaker 1: to cut down dramatically on immigration, she wants protectionism, she

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Speaker 1: wants trade tariffs, she wants to keep and even expand

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Speaker 1: the welfare state for pensioners, their version of social security.

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Speaker 1: And so it's a economic and ideological nationalism. She calls

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Speaker 1: it a patriotism, of course, But this is one of

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Speaker 1: the fundamental debates of our time. What is the difference

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Speaker 1: in a globalized world between patriotism and nationalism. It is

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Speaker 1: where there's really a fight now over nationalism shouldn't have

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Speaker 1: a such a negative connotation. It's so easy to put

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Speaker 1: national socialists together and all of a sudden people go,

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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, nazis right. Well, not all nationalism is Nazism, obviously,

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Speaker 1: and the Front Nationalal, the National Front, the f N

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Speaker 1: party that Lepin and her father before her um are

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Speaker 1: at the head of, has an economic agenda that in

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Speaker 1: many ways mirrors what we've been told Trump wants to

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Speaker 1: do in this country and has begun to do. Because

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Speaker 1: there are problems in France like there are problems here. Again, variations,

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Speaker 1: but there at baseline similar and now but before I

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Speaker 1: get to Lapon, which le Pin, sorry, Marine le Pin,

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Speaker 1: before I get to Marine Leapin, and what she thinks

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Speaker 1: and we'll do And by the way, I think she's

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Speaker 1: going to lose, which I will admit I fall on

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Speaker 1: the conventional wisdom here. But the the trump Ist candidate

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Speaker 1: in France I don't believe will upset the apple cart

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Speaker 1: quite as much as Donald Trump did here she already

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Speaker 1: has in a sense, and over the long term, I

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Speaker 1: think there's the handwriting is already on the wall here

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Speaker 1: about where French politics will be going in the future.

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Speaker 1: But maybe not. But before I get into Lepen, just mccron,

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Speaker 1: who's this guy. He's an investment banker. Okay, he's a

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Speaker 1: went to fancy schools. He was the economic minister for

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Speaker 1: a little while. Uh, the young guy like thirty seven

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Speaker 1: years old, I mean he's two years older than me.

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Speaker 1: And he is now the the consensus the global consensus

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Speaker 1: candidate for well, the globalist I should say consensus candidate.

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Speaker 1: And he wants to increase competitiveness, he wants to knock

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Speaker 1: down trade barriers, he wants more free trade, more free markets,

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Speaker 1: economic freedom, uh, cut down the size of the state

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Speaker 1: where possible, and stay within the EU. And you know,

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Speaker 1: he's what we would think of as the international elites

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Speaker 1: and the way that they view economics and politics. He

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Speaker 1: is completely palatal and acceptable to them. As I said,

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Speaker 1: he is the the consensus candidate in a in an

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Speaker 1: election where there is no consensus about what should happen here,

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Speaker 1: But he's the closest thing to consensus they can get.

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Speaker 1: And he said some funny stuff. I mean he said

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Speaker 1: that for example, this is this was a good line.

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Speaker 1: I give this guy props high five for this. Right.

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Speaker 1: Mccrolan back in the day said francois Land, who's a socialist,

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Speaker 1: you know, like socialism what they haven't Venezuela. Bad things happen,

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Speaker 1: of course it didn't happen in France, but they're starting

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Speaker 1: from different places. M Karl said that Olan's tax plan,

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Speaker 1: where he was just going to soak the rich, would

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Speaker 1: turn France into quote Cuba without the sun. Pretty pretty

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Speaker 1: good stuff for mat Krawl on that. I gotta give him.

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Speaker 1: I gotta give him props on that one, um. But

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Speaker 1: does he have a broad ranging vision for what it

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Speaker 1: means to be French does he offer anything really to

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Speaker 1: the underemployed, the unemployed and the down and out in France.

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Speaker 1: You're you're seeing, of course, one of the biggest parallels

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Speaker 1: with the rise of Trump in this country, which is

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Speaker 1: that there are people living in France just like people

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Speaker 1: here in this country, who feel like they are left

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Speaker 1: out of the political conversation, who are sick of the

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Speaker 1: political correctness around terrorism. At France has been hit with

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Speaker 1: horrific mass casualty attacks in Nice, in Paris and elsewhere,

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Speaker 1: but the biggest ones are Nice in Paris. M France

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Speaker 1: has embraced for decades now this very multilateral, multinational EU

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Speaker 1: approach to its economy and is part of this super

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Speaker 1: state that is the EU. The largest economic I mean,

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Speaker 1: the largest single economy in the world is the Eurozone. Right,

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Speaker 1: it is larger than our economy in many countries put together,

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Speaker 1: but it's larger than ours. And what does that mean

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Speaker 1: if you're a French machinist or a French truck driver

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Speaker 1: out of work. Up in the north in particular is

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Speaker 1: where Lepine did best, although there are other places as well.

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Speaker 1: The French interior, the French hinter land, the French equivalent to.

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Speaker 1: I don't know Appalachia did well with Lepine or lepended

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Speaker 1: well with them. Why is that they feel left out

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Speaker 1: of the political conversation. They feel like there's nothing the

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Speaker 1: state really offers them. And on top of that you

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Speaker 1: have that layer of scorn of elitist outlook on all things.

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Speaker 1: In fact, the people of France I'm sure have been

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Speaker 1: subjected to based on the way that elite progressives there

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Speaker 1: and here view immigrants immigration. I'm sure those who are

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Speaker 1: struggling to make ends meet in France find themselves lectured

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Speaker 1: about how superior and fantastic as a general, as just

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Speaker 1: in general, immigrants are too native born Frenchman, and they

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Speaker 1: probably get sick of that, uh, the bowing down and

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Speaker 1: the the genuflecting to mass immigration, and uh, the multicultural

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Speaker 1: ethic that has dominated in this country as well as

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Speaker 1: in France among progressives. They're probably sick of that. Just

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Speaker 1: as in this country, we had President Trump running and

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Speaker 1: said it was said over and over that he was

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Speaker 1: a they was set at one point, he was an

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Speaker 1: anti semi of course, said tons of times, he was racist,

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Speaker 1: he was sexist, he was he was all of the

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Speaker 1: is ms, islamophobic. We hear a lot of that echoed

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Speaker 1: with Marine Leapin as well. Now, I don't think that

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Speaker 1: Lepin's economic programs will work the way that she says

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Speaker 1: they will, and I think this is they're heading down

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Speaker 1: some pretty dangerous pathways with it. But I also think

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Speaker 1: and I believe that mccron is probably gonna win, which

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Speaker 1: is I feel self conscious giving you the wimpy consensus

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Speaker 1: opinion on that, but that is what that is, the

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Speaker 1: wimpy consensus opinion. I think it's probably right in this case.

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Speaker 1: So you know, wow, wow, I'm just telling you McConnell

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Speaker 1: probably went on May seven. But here's what happens. The

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Speaker 1: problems that push twenty one cent of the French voters

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Speaker 1: to go for Lepin, and that pushed almost to go

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Speaker 1: for Middle chain the communist are not going away and

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Speaker 1: they're not getting better. And as in this country we

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Speaker 1: saw the far left and the far right, the Sandarniceas

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Speaker 1: and the hardcore Trump base. From day one, there were

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Speaker 1: some crossover right and in trade and protection and workers,

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Speaker 1: a nationalism for workers that resonated that's not going away.

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Speaker 1: In France. Maybe you get Macron macron in and he

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Speaker 1: was sorry. Macron we'll do it that way, and he wins,

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Speaker 1: and then the market and the markets have stabilized. I

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Speaker 1: believe in anticipation of that. In fact, it was a

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Speaker 1: rally today. And I'm not a guy who follows markets closely,

553
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Speaker 1: but this is all being pointed to a see that

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Speaker 1: got the safe guy is gonna win, so we'll all

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Speaker 1: be okay. Uh, maybe that's even true for a few years.

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Speaker 1: But first of all, you could have a terrorist attack

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Speaker 1: between now and May seven that would change the calculation,

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Speaker 1: I think of many voters. Once again, there it's not

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Speaker 1: even that le pan has a full proof planned by

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Speaker 1: any stretch of the imagination. I'm not even sure what

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Speaker 1: her plan is to deal with terrorism, but she says

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Speaker 1: the terrorism is a medicine, a threat and people who

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Speaker 1: live in uh civilized countries are sick of being told,

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Speaker 1: especially in the case of Europe. By the way, it's

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Speaker 1: always that they don't assimilate well enough, and that's the problem.

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Speaker 1: And this is what I hear people say in this

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Speaker 1: country who are so called terrorism experts. All the French

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Speaker 1: don't assimilate there. They're religious minority populations, in this case

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Speaker 1: Muslims well enough. Hence terrorism people hear that, and they

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Speaker 1: get understandably upset. You know, France's a a wonderful country,

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Speaker 1: and French civilization is a great thing, and it's worthy

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Speaker 1: of of defense, and it's worthy of being elevated. Um.

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Speaker 1: And politicians who say that are resonating with the average

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Speaker 1: while the average Frenchman, in this case in America, the

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Speaker 1: average American at least when we're talking about Trump and

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Speaker 1: Trump is um in a way that a technocrat, highly trained,

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Speaker 1: highly competent economic engineer, somebody who's an all out free

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Speaker 1: trader like mccron isn't able to resonate in quite the

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Speaker 1: same way. And I know that this is where some

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Speaker 1: of my friends on the on the conservative side, whether

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Speaker 1: we're talking about Trump or or le Pen, would say

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Speaker 1: that protectionism is doomed to fail, that it's bad, that

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Speaker 1: it's big government, and that all is true. But you

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Speaker 1: know what also is true is that if you're an

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Speaker 1: out of work auto assembly line worker from Michigan in

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Speaker 1: or your a as I said, a machinist from northern

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Speaker 1: France who lives in relative you know, economic stagnation, if

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Speaker 1: not despair. You want somebody who at least gives you

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Speaker 1: a sense of identity and belonging to a greater whole,

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Speaker 1: and whom you believe, rightly or wrongly, is at least

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Speaker 1: looking out for your interests at some level and understands, yes,

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Speaker 1: even feels your pain, understands the difficulties you face, and

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Speaker 1: lectures about the failures of kanes of Kanesie and economics

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Speaker 1: and the need for a more Milton Friedman based free

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Speaker 1: trade no no, no teriff system and how this will

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Speaker 1: all lift all economic boats, you know, with the rising

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Speaker 1: tide and all that stuff just doesn't get doesn't feel,

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Speaker 1: doesn't serve the need for purpose in day to day

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Speaker 1: life that all of us have in one way or another,

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Speaker 1: whether we fill it with belief in God, religious belief,

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Speaker 1: or for some people we're talking about just the economy.

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Speaker 1: They want to have a sense that they're part of

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Speaker 1: a at her whole with their country, and they're sick

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Speaker 1: of this being called nationalism and this being talked down

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Speaker 1: to all the time. They like to feel like they're

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Speaker 1: part anyway, they're part of a great or something and

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Speaker 1: the music playing means I've got to run to a

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Speaker 1: break here. One other aspect of Leapin and Macron that

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Speaker 1: you can expect to see a lot of my friends

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Speaker 1: in the in the days ahead. The next two weeks

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Speaker 1: is when we've we can expect a lot of French

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Speaker 1: election coverage to happen. And that is that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Lapin is considered the favorites of Russia. She's much more

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Speaker 1: favorable towards Moscow than mccron is. And in fact, you

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Speaker 1: can read people who will tell you that Lapin's victory

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Speaker 1: would be for the Kremlin a tremendous coup, and it

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Speaker 1: would mean that the the French might be willing to,

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Speaker 1: as we saw with Brexit, go with a Frexit France

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Speaker 1: exit from the EU, and with that end of the

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Speaker 1: economic union would be perhaps also major strains on the

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Speaker 1: other unions NATO perhaps. So that's gonna get a lot

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Speaker 1: of play, as well as any Russian based hacking group

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Speaker 1: that does anything. I mean, if there was ever a

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Speaker 1: time for Russian trolls and the post Trump error, post

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Speaker 1: Trump election era to make a lot of noise if

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Speaker 1: they want to get attention, it's right now already some

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Speaker 1: coverage of this I see with a decision um that

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Speaker 1: or rather with with the report out that there are

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Speaker 1: Russian efforts Russian attached trolls are going after mccrawn trying

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Speaker 1: to help Lapat. So just just you wait. If La

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Speaker 1: Penn is able to beat mccrawn and you have the

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Speaker 1: victory of French Trump is um in a sense in

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Speaker 1: France we will be told old that the Kremlin has

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Speaker 1: won once again by the leftist Democrat media, that this

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Speaker 1: was all that, that there weren't any French people around

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Speaker 1: the country that were just sick of the nonsense from

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Speaker 1: the elites that have been governing them for decades in France. No, no,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's all putent. He just gets whatever he wants,

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Speaker 1: That's what they'll say. He spreads freedom because freedom is

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Speaker 1: not gonna spread itself. Buck Sex in his back team.

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Speaker 1: Buck bones are open. Eight four four nine hundred to

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Speaker 1: eight to five, eight four four to eight to five.

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Speaker 1: What do you think about the French election? Surprising to you?

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Speaker 1: Any uh? Anyone who thinks that maybe will be surprised

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Speaker 1: again with a possible le Pen win, which which would

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Speaker 1: send a shock wave through the EU and and it

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Speaker 1: would affect our economy. It's that's no, that's no small

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Speaker 1: thing if that were to happen. And although I think

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Speaker 1: now they overwhelming odds based on what everyone who does

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Speaker 1: things like puts out odds on this stuff. The overwhelming

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Speaker 1: odds thus far are that mccrown will be the winner.

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Speaker 1: We will have to see. I want to talk to

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Speaker 1: you a little bit about h Bernie Sanders and what

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Speaker 1: it means that Bernie Sanders continues to be so popular

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Speaker 1: in this country. UM, and you have a Democrats socialist,

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Speaker 1: somebody who honeymooned in the U s s R. Where

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Speaker 1: it's I don't even know I think of what that's like.

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Speaker 1: You know, hey, honey, you know, let's let's go stand

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Speaker 1: in in in breadlines and go look at the glories

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Speaker 1: of massive cinder block state sanctioned architecture. You know. Astonishing

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Speaker 1: that Bernie Sanders continues to be as popular as he

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Speaker 1: is in some ways, until you realize the Democrat Party

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Speaker 1: doesn't really have anything else right now opposition to Trump.

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Speaker 1: First of all, there's plenty of Republican opposition to Trump.

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Speaker 1: But also opposition to Trump is not in of itself sufficient.

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Speaker 1: There has to be something more. They have to offer

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Speaker 1: something in place of trump Ism here in America. UM.

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Speaker 1: But I want to I want to talk about Sanders

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Speaker 1: in his appeal and to uh to join us in that.

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Speaker 1: We have Heather Wilhelm on the line. She's a National

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Speaker 1: Review columists and a senior contributor at the Federalist. She

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Speaker 1: has a piece in the Chicago Tribune. Bernie Sanders, King

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Speaker 1: of dysfunction junction. He they're great to have you, good

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Speaker 1: to be here, and ye dysfunction junction. Indeed, yeah, in

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Speaker 1: indeed Sanders Sanders is calling out the Democrats, which I

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Speaker 1: know they don't much like I want to have you

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Speaker 1: respond to this, but he's he's coming off this unity

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Speaker 1: tour with Perez, who is now most famous from the

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Speaker 1: Unity tour for for for profanity. But Sanders is saying

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Speaker 1: that the Democratic Party is a failing model. Hey, you

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Speaker 1: know what he is clear to anyone who looks at

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Speaker 1: with the Democratic Party today, is that the model of

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party is failing. We have the we have

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Speaker 1: a Republican president who ran as a candidate is the

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Speaker 1: most unpopular candidate in modern history of this country. Republicans

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Speaker 1: control the House, the Senate to thirds of the Governor's chairs,

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Speaker 1: and in the last eight years they have picked up

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Speaker 1: nine hundred legislative seats. Clearly, the Democratic Party has got

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Speaker 1: to change and in my view, what it has got

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Speaker 1: to become is a grassroots party. Now until the very end,

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Speaker 1: everything each says is true. I don't really know what

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Speaker 1: he means by it has to become a grassroots party,

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Speaker 1: but I'll leave that to you. Is very vague, isn't it. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think you know, And as as I think you're right,

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Speaker 1: he's absolutely right. The party is broken. And Tom Perez,

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Speaker 1: the new chair of the Democratic National Committee is he

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Speaker 1: seems to be, you know, having a breakdown on this tour.

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Speaker 1: As you said, he's cursing up the storm. He apparently

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Speaker 1: sanctioned this t shirt on the Democratic National Committee website

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Speaker 1: that literally has a swear word on it. Now has

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Speaker 1: a nice little asterisk on it, but it's very charming.

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Speaker 1: These are people who don't know what to do now.

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Speaker 1: I think Bernie Sanders knows exactly what he'd like them

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Speaker 1: to do. He'd like them to veer to the far

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Speaker 1: left and pick up the socialist mantle. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: been very open about that. What's so funny is that,

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Speaker 1: you know, Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician according

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Speaker 1: to a recent poll in American Today, which is astounding

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Speaker 1: really when you think about it um, and that's why

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Speaker 1: the Democrats are raining him in on this unity tour,

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Speaker 1: even though he himself will not say that he has

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Speaker 1: a Democrat. This is from a Chicago Tribune piece of

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Speaker 1: registered votos of voters pardon me, have a favorable impression

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Speaker 1: of Bernie Sanders. It's astounding. This is a guy who up, sorry,

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Speaker 1: oh no, no, but I mean, ay, there's there's one question,

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Speaker 1: what else do they have? Right, b This is a

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Speaker 1: guy who went out there and complains about how many

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Speaker 1: brands of deodorant there are. You know, he's completely wackoed,

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Speaker 1: completely out there. He honeymooned in the Soviet and uh,

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Speaker 1: he's the most popular politician in America today. So clearly,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're facing some serious dysfunction on the on

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Speaker 1: the Democrat party side. And you know, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if there was this news today that Perez basically said

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Speaker 1: that they were going to blacklist any Democrat that was

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Speaker 1: not fully on board with abortion. Again, if you look

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Speaker 1: at the polls, that's wildly out of line with the

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Speaker 1: mainstream of America. Um. But here we go, we're charging forward,

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Speaker 1: and you know, to his credit, Bernie Sanders has he

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Speaker 1: has not operated that way in the past. But we're

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Speaker 1: looking at a party that simply does not know what

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Speaker 1: to do, which is amazing. Uh, considering that there's dysfunction

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Speaker 1: on the Republican side as well, you'd think that they

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Speaker 1: could they could come up with something. Now, the obvious

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Speaker 1: next question, I think would be if we're trying to

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Speaker 1: do not just an autopsy of the Hillary campaign from

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Speaker 1: the from the past election cycle, but just of the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party right now more generally. They got Tamparez out there,

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Speaker 1: who who's just acting like acting like a jerk. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's no need to be running around cursing and as

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Speaker 1: d n C chairman, it just seems bizarre. Um. But

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Speaker 1: then we look at, well, what could they do to

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Speaker 1: capture the imaginations and the enthusiasm of the Democratic base

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Speaker 1: and move forward. The obvious thing, based on what we're

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Speaker 1: seeing here, would be, well, why not move left like

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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders? But I see, I think the Democratic Party

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Speaker 1: is already largely there. I think that Hillary was that

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Speaker 1: was sort of the trojan horse for the progressive left

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Speaker 1: to get into a position of power. And because she's

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Speaker 1: she was acceptable, she was consensus to Democrats, she was

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Speaker 1: tied in with big money, and everything else. But I

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Speaker 1: think the party ideologically is already pretty far left. How

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Speaker 1: how would they shift more towards Sanders? Of Sanders is um?

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Speaker 1: How would it be more official? Well, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: interesting you you you mentioned, you know that Hillary was

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Speaker 1: quote acceptable, and I think that that could she wasn't.

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Speaker 1: She wasn't. It's kind of a well, it's a catch,

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Speaker 1: you go ahead. No, yeah, and there was I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you saw this poll. It came out from

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Speaker 1: the Washington Post and I think ABC News that said,

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Speaker 1: you know, well, just four percent of Trump supporters say

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Speaker 1: that they would back somebody else if there was a

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Speaker 1: redub of the election. A whopping fifercent of Clinton supporters

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Speaker 1: say they would, and this is the Washington Post, I'm

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Speaker 1: quoting them. They would ditcher. And then they say Trump

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Speaker 1: leads in a redo of the election, and that's after

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Speaker 1: he lost the popular forty four. I mean that is

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Speaker 1: stunning of Clinton supporters would just goodbye Irene, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: she was a disastrous candidate. We all know it. And

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Speaker 1: you're right, she was acceptable from the establishments point of view.

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Speaker 1: But I think this surge for Bernie Sanders shows that

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Speaker 1: people did not like her. They did not want her.

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Speaker 1: And you know, as I mentioned in my column, you know,

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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders seems like somebody who might shake a fist

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Speaker 1: at the clouds. But at least he means what he says. Right,

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Speaker 1: There's not a whole lot of ship. He does talk

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Speaker 1: a lot about billionaires and and too many you know,

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Speaker 1: yachts and stuff. But the guy does own three houses

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Speaker 1: has been pointed out, which you know that that's there's

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Speaker 1: a there's a little bit of the hipoxy issue there.

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Speaker 1: But I know that people would say, well, um, at

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Speaker 1: least he's not Hillary Clinton. I mean, the hypocrisy there

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Speaker 1: is is on a on a truly epic scale. Um.

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Speaker 1: But by the way, you mentioned the issue about the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party and having to be pro choice to be

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Speaker 1: a member. Nancy Pelosi said the following in response to

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Speaker 1: what was it? Was it Perez who said you had

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Speaker 1: to be? Yeah, Nancy Pelosi said this, and you be.

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Speaker 1: But can you be a Democrat and the poort of

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party if you're pro life? Of course, I have

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Speaker 1: served many years in Congress with members who have not

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Speaker 1: shared my very positive my family would say aggressive physician

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Speaker 1: on promoting a woman's right too. I don't think that's true.

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Speaker 1: I mean it might technically be true in the sense

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Speaker 1: that there have been Democrats who have said they are

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Speaker 1: pro life, but you cannot be in good standing with

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Speaker 1: the modern Democratic Party unless you are pro abortion. Well look,

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Speaker 1: I mean they're twenty sixteen platform called for revoking the

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Speaker 1: High Amendment, which is just plain radical, right. It's uh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they've become an abortion party. I think that's true. And

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Speaker 1: I think the question is that there's an interesting tension here. Right,

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Speaker 1: You've got Bernie Sanders, who's sort of this you know,

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Speaker 1: folksy guy who wants quote, economic justice. But then there's

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Speaker 1: this other wing of the Democratic Party, which is outright,

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Speaker 1: you know, social justice warrior, wacko campus left right. So

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Speaker 1: there's all these interesting tensions, and then there's the traditional

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Speaker 1: the traditional Democrat voters, like the union types who fled

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Speaker 1: the coupe for Trump. So we're at a very very

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Speaker 1: interesting time. But they clearly can't who they want to be. Um.

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Speaker 1: I guess maybe Bernie Sanders is the most normal of

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Speaker 1: the two actions when you're looking at the wacky identity

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Speaker 1: politics obsessed left that is, you know, taking over college campuses.

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Speaker 1: But but what what prevents and your in what prevents

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party from going full Sanders. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: really what I was trying to get out before. Why

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Speaker 1: not I don't see, I don't see why they wouldn't

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Speaker 1: what else, I mean, what else are they going to do? Right? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think what they went with Hillary because they thought

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Speaker 1: she was electable, which one obviously she wasn't to inevitable

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Speaker 1: elections that weren't um. But but when you look at

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Speaker 1: what she stood for, I mean, Hillary on her campaign

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Speaker 1: website wanted to give Obamacare to illegal aliens. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much. Okay, maybe on taxes. She's

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Speaker 1: a little less radical than Sanders. But one where is

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Speaker 1: the huge divide In fact, you look at it in

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Speaker 1: the places where Hillary um, where Hillary differed from Sanders

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Speaker 1: were the places that in the aftermath, in the autopsy

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Speaker 1: of the election, I think one would say that that's

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Speaker 1: that that the electorate was more in line with Sanders

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Speaker 1: than with Hillary, right, I mean the stuff about trade,

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Speaker 1: and that's how Hillary lost. Well, and you know, I think,

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Speaker 1: you know what, it's hilarious to say this, but Sanders

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Speaker 1: might be a little more likable Hillary Clinton. He is

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Speaker 1: more as goofy as he is. You know, he gets

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Speaker 1: out there and there's you know, not a smile that

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Speaker 1: he's seen, but he's getting out there and he's you know,

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Speaker 1: he's saying what he believes. At least you can credit

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Speaker 1: him for that. There's no shenanigans unlike the Clinton campaign. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and on issues like free free college, for I mean,

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Speaker 1: when you really go down issue by issue, Clinton, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Clinton was just a slightly less radical version of Sanders,

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Speaker 1: but they were very similar in terms of you know,

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Speaker 1: Hillary didn't want to go free college, but she wanted

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Speaker 1: even more federal money for college. Well, I mean we're

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Speaker 1: already spending I mean, there's already a ton of federal

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Speaker 1: dollars flowing into all these colleges and universities. Um, I'm

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Speaker 1: just trying to think of where, you know, you would

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Speaker 1: think the Democratic Party, if it's trying to get momentum here,

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Speaker 1: might adopt some of Sanders positions more officially, but they

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Speaker 1: still have a lot of a lot of corporatism at

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Speaker 1: the upper ranks of the d n C. I think

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Speaker 1: that's maybe the dirty little secret here that don't they

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Speaker 1: don't want to abandon all that Still a lot of

853
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: big money donors, a lot of hedge fund billionaires that

854
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: they want to write checks for this and that issue. Well,

855
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: you know, and this is what sort of breaks my

856
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: heart as a quasi libertarian, you know, I described myself

857
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: as a conservative slash libertarian. Is that I really think

858
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: in both parties there's it's trendy to see the government

859
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: as a solution of first resort right, which is highly problematic.

860
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: And yes, you can see that from people's views towards socialism.

861
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: You know, I grew up in the eighties when we

862
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: knew the Soviet Union, we're the bad guys, right, and

863
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: now we've got Venezuela literally imploding um and nobody's paying attention.

864
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: And socialism, if you pull people on it, it pulls

865
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: sky high. Now Is that because people don't know what

866
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 1: it really means? I don't know, but it's very interesting

867
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: to see this happening, you know, just you know, how

868
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: years ago was it that the Soviet Union fell? And

869
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 1: here we are. You know, I think the I think

870
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party today once uh once the the the

871
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: benefits of pushing socialist policies without the baggage of having

872
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 1: to defend socialist ideology. I know that seems like it

873
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense, but to me it does like they

874
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: want what you get from socialism. I'm not saying we're socialists,

875
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: but anyway, that's we shall see if I am right

876
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: and if they go more more on the Sanders direction.

877
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 1: Heather Wilhelm, National Review Columists, senior contributor for The Federalist.

878
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Heather. Great to have you, uh

879
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: tam hitting a break. We will be right back. He

880
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:43,280
Speaker 1: spreads freedom because freedom is not gonna spread itself. Bug

881
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: sex in his back. And what he claims to not

882
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: understand is the rate. It's the speed at which we're

883
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 1: adding carbon oxide. And I will say, as much as

884
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: I love the CNN, you're doing a disservice by having

885
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 1: one climate change skeptic and not nineties seven or scientists

886
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: or engineers concerned about climate change. What you gotta get

887
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: is the speed at which things are changing. But that

888
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 1: aside the science. March today is about the economy as

889
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: well as the environment. Although it's Earth Day and I

890
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 1: was here for the very first Earth Day in if

891
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: you suppress science, if you pretend that climate change isn't

892
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: the real problem, you will fall behind other countries that

893
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: do invest in science, that do invest in basic research.

894
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: And it's interesting to note I think that article one,

895
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: section eight. Okay, all right, you've had enough. I know

896
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: that that is Bill ny the so called science guy,

897
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: mostly known as a scientist because he wears a lab coat,

898
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: a bow tie and kind of looks like what we

899
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:58,760
Speaker 1: think of scientists should look like, and has scientific credentials.

900
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: I'm I've been reminded of this by smarmy viewers when

901
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 1: I've discussed this issue over at CNN. Um that you know, said, well,

902
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: where's your degree in science? I said, you're right, I

903
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: don't have an advanced degree in science. I never pretend to,

904
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: and I certainly amount a scientist. Bill na He's not

905
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 1: a scientist either. Um he is a has an undergraduate

906
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: degree in mechanical engineering. Nothing wrong with mechanical engineering, but

907
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: it's not a climate scientist. Um. He's not even what

908
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: we would think of as somebody who has the the

909
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: general training in science beyond an undergrad Agree. This is

910
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: like me saying I'm I'm a political expert, book the

911
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: political expert. Well, that would be true based on my profession,

912
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: my writing, my radio TV work, but not because I

913
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: went to a college and got an undergraduate degree in

914
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: political science a decade or so ago. More than that, Gosh,

915
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: I've been a long time now. I wouldn't sid I'm like, well,

916
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: everybody stands aside, let me explain how the world works here.

917
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 1: I know, Paul Plitics, I have a bachelor's degree in

918
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: political science, which I do, but who cares? Right? Bill

919
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: Night has a bachelor's degree in mechanical engineering. Who cares?

920
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: I guess it's a b S. Bachelor's science. Same idea.

921
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: Uh So he was debating people over the weekend and

922
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: seeing that was a pretty long and uninspiring CNN panel.

923
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: You could watch the whole thing, I'm sure online if

924
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,720
Speaker 1: you want to. But it was March for Science weekend.

925
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: I would have I thought about this. I would have

926
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: gone and and interviewed people and asked them if we

927
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: should ban you know, if we should ban H two oh,

928
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 1: because H two O is you know, we're we're all just, uh,

929
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: there's too much H two everywhere and you know we're

930
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: surrounded by it. It's taking over our lives. And see

931
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: how many people would go for to the science March.

932
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: I would have done something fun like that, but I

933
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: had social obligations on Saturday, I couldn't get out of

934
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: gotta pretend to have a life sometimes guys um. But

935
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 1: Bill Ny, who I think also is getting a show now.

936
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's on CNN or somewhere, but

937
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: he's I think he's getting a new show. He's one

938
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: of these climate change people and he makes that he

939
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: makes the perf climate change argon because he hits all

940
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: of the fallacies one after another. There first of all,

941
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: the notion that anybody you watch this, you see the

942
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 1: guy's just he's just such a condescending jerk about this.

943
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: A scientist who wants to explain to me um nuclear fission,

944
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,439
Speaker 1: which I don't really understand and know much about, could

945
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: sit there and just explain it and just know that

946
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 1: what he's saying is factual and based in science. It

947
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,879
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be condescending or a jerk or anything else.

948
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: Could just tell me right. And a real scientist, I

949
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 1: would think would want to share knowledge instead of want

950
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,720
Speaker 1: to lecture in a demeaning fashion. But this Ni guy,

951
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: and this is true of all the climate change people

952
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: I see going on TV. I never get someone going

953
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 1: on TV who's a climate scientist who just wants to

954
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 1: talk about what's going on and explain it without being

955
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: a bit prickly over the whole thing, without being a

956
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: little nasty or a little snide, a little condescending. If

957
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: somebody asks a question, they don't like you just because

958
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: they ask a question that I have an answer to,

959
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 1: which if a scientist is going to speak definitively on

960
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: an issue, you would think that they have the answer,

961
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: But no, they don't have the answer it, so they

962
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: just get nasty. Where's your science degree? He first? But

963
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: I made a little notation of this as we just

964
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: played that clip there, because I was thinking about it

965
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 1: today as I watched this exchange. This is the climate

966
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: change our argument in summary, a consensus. There's a well

967
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,240
Speaker 1: a vast majority of scientists creed. This is a religious belief,

968
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: as I say, it's a religious belief for people who

969
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: think they're too smart for religion and the classical spiritual

970
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: godly sense. Um, they and they are the high priests

971
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: of this religion. They get to be revered and they

972
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,959
Speaker 1: get to be important, and they get to be necessary,

973
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: and they get to be elevated those who are climate

974
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: change alarmists. Um, but consensus is not science. It's it's

975
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 1: this is very basic and shutting down free inquiry is

976
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: literally the opposite of science, that is the opposite of

977
00:56:58,040 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: the scientific method. But they want to shut down free

978
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: inquired they even want to answer questions, they demand obedience. Um.

979
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: And then he talks about the speed with which this

980
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: is changing. That's really what really matters. Well, they can't

981
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: get that right either. They can't tell us what the

982
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: temperature will be in order they tell us how quickly

983
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: the temperature will change to that level. So why should

984
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: we trust the modeling? And he says, well, no, it's

985
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: about the economy. Oh now, Bill Nye's an economist too.

986
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: I had no idea going completely outside of his so

987
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: called area of expertise, which is not even his area

988
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: of expertise, to tell us what will be good for

989
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: us economically. Oh maybe he should go explain to people

990
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: that have been investing in solar technology for decades that

991
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: you know, it's been really profitable all along. Maybe he

992
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: could go tell us cylinder people, you're doing it wrong, Cylindra.

993
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: Oh wait, he can't because out of business. Despite hundreds

994
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: of millions of dollars of loan guarantees in the federal government,

995
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: over under Obama. And uh then he talks about where

996
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: we should be investing, investing money in this new technology.

997
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: So now he's an investment advisor. Was just it's just

998
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: all nonsense. It's politics dressed up his science, just like

999
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: Bill Nye is a pundit dressed up as a scientist.

1000
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: This is what we get with him, with Al Gore,

1001
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: with all of them, Buck Sexton, with America. Now the

1002
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: Freedom Hut is fired up as team Buck assembles shouldered

1003
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: as shoulder shields high call in eight four four d Buck.

1004
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: That's eight four four nine hundred to eight to five.

1005
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: We're joined team by Lucien Wintrich. He is the White

1006
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: House correspondent for Gateway Pundit. Lucy, and great to have

1007
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: you hey there. Thank you for having me. Appreciate it, sir.

1008
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: Let's talk a bit about the latest in all things

1009
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: Trump world. So you're down there at the White House.

1010
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: You've got Spicer saying that this is a an artificial benchmark.

1011
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: Hold on, Actually, we'll have Spicers say it himself. There

1012
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: is a lot that I think we feel very proud

1013
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: that we've gotten off, gotten taking done and taken care of.

1014
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: When you look at the immigration piece, in particular border

1015
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: crossing his way down the number of executive orders and

1016
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: pieces of legislation in the president sign. I think we

1017
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: feel very proud of what we've been able to accomplish

1018
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: and fulfill the promises that he's made the American people.

1019
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: But I think it's it's got to be kept in context. Um,

1020
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: And I think that's there is sort of this artificial

1021
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: number that gets thrown out. Um. So on one, well,

1022
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 1: I mean the context, this is a hundred days and

1023
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: you have four years in your first term. Um, alright,

1024
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: so he's awesome, and he's been awesome, but it's a

1025
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: hundred days. Doesn't really make sense when anyone looks at

1026
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: the fact that it's made up. Okay, fine, what do

1027
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: you think, Lucian? Yeah, I mean if you look if

1028
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: you really use that as a benchmark, if you look

1029
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: at any previous presidents, it is it is a pretty

1030
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: ridiculous benchmark, especially with somebody be like Trump, who is

1031
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: who is not a career politician. Right, he came into

1032
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: off as he's figuring out how to uh turn the

1033
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: gears of the bureaucracy there. Um. Yeah, it's ridiculous to say, Okay,

1034
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 1: well we don't have a wall yet, a border wall,

1035
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: um in his first hundred days, right, any of the

1036
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: other nonsense they're claiming. And I will say he's had

1037
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: he's had a good uh good number of wins. He's

1038
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: had some losses, but he's he's also had some wins.

1039
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: So I I think it was neither uh incredibly successful

1040
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: or an amazing dream uh, nor was it unsuccessful? What

1041
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: did you make by the way of the of the uh?

1042
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: I think it was Glenn Thrush from the New York

1043
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: Times saying, because I know you're you're a white House

1044
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: white House correspondent for a gateway put it, uh, Glen

1045
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 1: Thrush in your time saying it's actually more um, you know,

1046
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: it's better now, it's more broad based. It's a good

1047
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: thing that that the White House press conferences aren't just

1048
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: what they were under Obama. And he's finally come. I

1049
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: was surprised he was going to say this where he's like, yeah,

1050
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: with Obama, there was a script. He was going to

1051
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 1: call him five outlets that like him and like his policies,

1052
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: and that was it. I you know, a few months

1053
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: ago we're being told the Trump was the end of

1054
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 1: the Trump with the end of journalism, and now you've

1055
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: got a New York Times. Journalists like you know, it

1056
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: actually is more fair. It's it's better to ask questions

1057
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: two different outlets. You you had, you had Obama who

1058
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: regulated the press so much, he tried to he stued

1059
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: and tried to imprison journalists, and then you have Trump

1060
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: who essentially says, if you want to cover from the

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Speaker 1: White House, come on in. Um. We we do right

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Speaker 1: now have one of the most open administrations to media,

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Speaker 1: which is I think absolutely fantastic. We have a lot

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Speaker 1: of new media and teas that are coming in continuously. Um.

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Speaker 1: I know Rebel Media is sending one in pretty soon

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Speaker 1: in the coming week. Uh. Cern of Itch is also

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Speaker 1: he's supposed to be there Friday to to cover. So

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Speaker 1: he he is very very open and as you mentioned

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Speaker 1: what Obama did, he would be very very selective. He'd say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Huffington Post and buzz Feed, which are two of the

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Speaker 1: most hilariously biased outlets. Uh, and they don't even hide it.

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Speaker 1: He was like, Okay, you two can be my my

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Speaker 1: new media yuh voices from the White House. So it's

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Speaker 1: I think it's pretty incredible with what Trump is just

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Speaker 1: how he's handled the media and how this administration is him,

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Speaker 1: and I do want to just revisit for a moment,

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Speaker 1: because I remember I was covering here on the show

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Speaker 1: when it happened the howling and indignation from a few

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Speaker 1: outlets that they weren't included in a like unofficial press

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Speaker 1: gaggle with Sean Spicer one time, it was like, all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, we were living in in stalin Soviet Union.

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Speaker 1: It really was. I mean, it's it's amazing, you know

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Speaker 1: how often Obama did that. I mean, these are not

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Speaker 1: unprecedented things. Obama would have very very closed gaggles with

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Speaker 1: only favorable outlets. Trump, even with that one, they were

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Speaker 1: they were a little bit more broader, a little bit

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Speaker 1: broader with they They had um entities that that have

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Speaker 1: historically asked questions in the briefing in the actual briefing

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Speaker 1: room that weren't necessarily favorable, and that we're confrontational um.

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Speaker 1: The journalists pushed the term unprecedented, by the way to

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Speaker 1: almost meaningless levels in the first couple of months and

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Speaker 1: really the first sixty days, i'd say, of the Trump presidency,

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Speaker 1: because they kept there would be this this breathless oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, this is unprecedented, and then somebody with access

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Speaker 1: to the Google would would respond on Facebook or Twitter

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Speaker 1: with well, it was unprecedented, except here's a link that

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Speaker 1: it was done by Obama like a year ago, and

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Speaker 1: so I think that was helpful for people to see,

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Speaker 1: Oh they can't just unprecedented? Is is now the the

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Speaker 1: buzzword for those who don't want to do any research

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Speaker 1: and just want to scream about how bad Trump is.

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Speaker 1: But you're giving a couple of speeches. I want to

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Speaker 1: switch to the free speech issue if I can for

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Speaker 1: a moment here, Lucien, you're giving a couple of speeches

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Speaker 1: in New York City this week Tuesday at Columbia University

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Speaker 1: Thursday at the Metropolitan Club. Uh, you're gonna be speaking about,

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Speaker 1: uh what exactly? Um, Well, on Tuesday, it'll actually be

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Speaker 1: myself an album on a panel. We're gonna be discussing

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Speaker 1: just a sort of cultural and press freedom under conservatives

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Speaker 1: versus under liberals, and how when you have when you

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Speaker 1: have one party or one side of the argument that

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Speaker 1: essentially says, okay, well you can't discuss uh this this

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Speaker 1: huge array of topics or you can't express it in

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Speaker 1: culture or the arts. Then I mean that's that that's

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Speaker 1: that goes against everything that Western culture has stood for

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Speaker 1: since the beginning. And then it's very it's very pre

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Speaker 1: enlightened in thinking. Uh so that that will be the

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Speaker 1: Columbia talk and uh then we have we have a

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Speaker 1: pamilent gaze at the what is it New York Republican

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Speaker 1: Metropolitan Republican Club on Thursday, and we're going to be

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Speaker 1: discussing essentially how how the right is is a lot

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Speaker 1: better for for gay people in America. Um, free speech

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Speaker 1: right now is is literally under assault. And I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: using people also just like that you miss us unprecedented

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Speaker 1: to mean that it's been done before, just by somebody

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Speaker 1: that like more. Uh, people will say, you know, you're

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01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 1: literally like terrible, but they don't you know, they don't

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Speaker 1: really understand what they're saying with literally. Um, but in

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Speaker 1: this case it's true because it is under assault in

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Speaker 1: the sense that people are attacking people over speech now

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Speaker 1: and this is being uh, this is being supported. There

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Speaker 1: was an article by in the New York Times when

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Speaker 1: n y U professor I forget what the title was.

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Speaker 1: It was something about like how snowflakes have got it

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Speaker 1: right on some things. That was really in the title

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Speaker 1: of this New York Times piece, and that there is

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Speaker 1: speech that's just too mean and we can't have it.

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Speaker 1: And none other than Howard Dean, former Democrat second place

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Speaker 1: finisher for the Democratic presidential nomination d former d n

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Speaker 1: C chairman, does not understand the First Amendment. It would

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Speaker 1: seem it's first of all. Okay, So several things to

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Speaker 1: think about. One, in the United States has the most

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Speaker 1: far reaching protections on speech of any country in the world. Too,

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Speaker 1: it's not absolute. Three there are three support case court cases,

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court cases that you need to know about. So

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Speaker 1: this is not a clear cut carrying on the way

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Speaker 1: the right does. The right loves it, loves to be

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01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: able to say anything they like is no matter how

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Speaker 1: offensive it is. Well and culture has used words that

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Speaker 1: you cannot use on television to describe Jews, Blacks, Gays, Muslims, immigrants,

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Speaker 1: and Hispanics. I think there's a case to be made

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Speaker 1: that that invokes the Chaplinsky decision, which is fighting words

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Speaker 1: likely to incite violence. And I think Berkeley is within

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Speaker 1: its rights to make the decision that it puts put

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Speaker 1: their campus and in danger if they have her, then

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Speaker 1: I just say I I study the Chaplinsky case for

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Speaker 1: a college thesis on college captive speech codes, just to

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Speaker 1: make sure that everybody that that would be able to

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Speaker 1: deal with this argument from Howard from people like Howard Dean,

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Speaker 1: although for it to come from Howard Dean is pretty

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Speaker 1: appalling because you should know more about the First Amendment.

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Speaker 1: Chaplinsky is saying that if you get into someone's face

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Speaker 1: and you're screaming every curse in the book, and you

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Speaker 1: know whatever, you you might induce them to to violence

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Speaker 1: in a one on one confrontation. It's not hand culture

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Speaker 1: can't speak, and it's not even a good Supreme Court precedent.

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Speaker 1: And but the point is, it's not cult saying that

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Speaker 1: we should secure the border. Well, I mean, okay, listen, listen.

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Speaker 1: Are you in culture? You if you actually, if you,

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Speaker 1: if you know anything about it? In culture? At least

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Speaker 1: she has a quarter of her friends are gay, quarter black. Um.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm she's very friendly with me, and

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm a gay Jew. Uh. They left loves throwing

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Speaker 1: out these lads. It's it's really funny. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: I was called anti semitic, I've even been called homophobic before. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's it's so fascinating. They have these blanket labels that

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Speaker 1: they've used since the late sixties to to try to

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Speaker 1: basically kind of cut counter arguments out, and they'll keep

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Speaker 1: throwing them around. Such being said, if she even if

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Speaker 1: she was anti jew, anti black, whatever it is where

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Speaker 1: we're living in America. I mean, it is anybody's right

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Speaker 1: to express their viewpoints, even if you disagree with them,

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Speaker 1: even if they're wrong. How Ardan said that hate speech

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Speaker 1: is not free speech, or free speech does not cover

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01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: hate speech, had time to think about it, and then

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01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 1: went back on National TV and doubled down on the Yeah,

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01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 1: hate speech is not covered by the First Amendment. It's like,

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01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 1: forget about Skokie, Illinois, forget about neo Nazis and Nazis marching.

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Speaker 1: It's it's like he's been living in a different country

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Speaker 1: all this time, and he's not the only one Democrats.

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01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:25,599
Speaker 1: There are a lot of them that buy into this now.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's terrifying. And the second, the second

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Speaker 1: that Eurocrats start actually telling us what we can and

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Speaker 1: cannot say what they considered be hate speech versus non

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Speaker 1: hate speech, um, we're gonna be living in a completely

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Speaker 1: different America, and that does need to be uh, it

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Speaker 1: needs to be fought against and rallied again. And we

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Speaker 1: have seen a lot of that in Berkeley right now

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Speaker 1: with free speech advocates who are actually being attacked, who

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Speaker 1: are being bludgeons, who are who are plundering this literally

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Speaker 1: bloody Is there is there any concern over your speech

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Speaker 1: at Columbia University? By the way, are there any you know,

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Speaker 1: have you seen like the are there going to be

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Speaker 1: people marching around all dressed in black saying that they're

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01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 1: Antifa or any of that stuff? I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: I was. I went to Uh. Probably the best thing

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Speaker 1: about me going to Bard, which is one of the

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Speaker 1: most liberal schools in the nation, is I do know

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Speaker 1: how to uh really express points in a less inflammatory way. UM.

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Speaker 1: My last speech at n y U, one of the

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01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 1: students stood up and he said, what are your thoughts

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Speaker 1: on Hitler? And obviously, because that's that's a great thing

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01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 1: to do with people on the right, to to pretend

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Speaker 1: that they like Hitler. So I explained to him how

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Speaker 1: Hitler was. He was a socialist, he was a leftist,

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01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 1: he's a man of the left, so was Stalin. In fact,

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Speaker 1: they were really just arguing over what leftists they could

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Speaker 1: get to flock to their banner, and the communists and

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01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:44,480
Speaker 1: the National Socialists were always in street fights in Germany

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Speaker 1: over the same adherents. I mean, it's it's amazing to

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Speaker 1: see to see the left up emanate uh Nazis, emiate

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Speaker 1: fascists and then, oh my god, there's that wonderful quote

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Speaker 1: U when when fascism raah again, it'll it'll label itself

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Speaker 1: as anti Sashism. And that is what we're seeing. That's

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Speaker 1: absolutely what we're seeing today. Yeah, when you have people

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Speaker 1: that are threatening to attack the individuals they disagree with

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Speaker 1: because of their speech, all dressed in black and engaging

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Speaker 1: in mob violence because of ideas they don't like that,

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Speaker 1: these people should look up what the brown Shirts did

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Speaker 1: and what they were and you know, they really have

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Speaker 1: a very and I'm not even tenuous an absent grasp

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Speaker 1: of hispory of history. It's not even there. You know

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Speaker 1: what happened in Berkeley, right, I mean, I was talking

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Speaker 1: to Laurence Southern, So they had they had the Trump

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Speaker 1: rally there, they had the sort of pro free speech rally. Um,

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Speaker 1: the cops told all of the republic all the conservatives

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Speaker 1: to arm. They said, okay, we're We're totally prepared to

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Speaker 1: back you up in a peaceful protests. Obviously, you can't

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01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 1: wear masks, you can't carry pipes, you can't have those

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Speaker 1: those wooden sticks with tiny flags at the top of them.

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Speaker 1: So they accepted the terms. They were very peacefully oro

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01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 1: testing or just standing their ground really in tifa uh

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01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 1: swarms around them. The police are told to stand down,

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01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 1: and tifa is is heavily armed mace uh blunt objects.

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01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 1: The police are told to stand down by the mayor

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01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 1: of of Berkeley, who, by the way, is a member

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Speaker 1: of multiple in CHIEFA groups. And so you involved this

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01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 1: ANTIFA coordinating with the mayor there who attack them, and

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Speaker 1: I mean the the aftermath of that. I don't know

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01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 1: if you've seen any of the video, but it's it's

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Speaker 1: pretty sick to watch. Yeah, it was. It's it was

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Speaker 1: total mayhem, and it's it should be. By the way,

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Speaker 1: you think that the the so called liberal left would

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01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,639
Speaker 1: be if they're gonna be up in arms, no pun

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01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 1: intended about anything, it would be this uh And they're not.

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01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 1: And they they are largely I think if not complicit

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Speaker 1: with their silence, if there's not a tacit consent for

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01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 1: many of them. You've got others like Howard Dean, They're

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Speaker 1: just like, yeah, you got you gotta do what you

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01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 1: gotta do. Lucy, We've gotta leave it there for now.

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01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 1: You've got to speed just this week, anywhere else going

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01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 1: to direct people the Gateway, pundit dot com is where

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Speaker 1: the White House Correspondent, anything else we should know. Um No,

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Speaker 1: not really. Yeah, we got Columbia Tuesday, Metropolitan Republican Club Thursday,

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01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 1: and then bart College on May fist fantastic. Alright, Lucy,

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Speaker 1: we really, we really appreciate you joining man, Thank you

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Speaker 1: for coming on, Thanks for having me hitting a break here. Team.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back in just a few Tom and Ohio

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Speaker 1: on w r V A Welcome to Freedom Hunt, sir.

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Speaker 1: Good evening, Buck. You know you were talking about the

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Speaker 1: first one days. I I agree with Sean Spicer a

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Speaker 1: number of other people that it is a false measurements

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Speaker 1: when you consider a fourteen or sixty one days in

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Speaker 1: a term, now that's four years plus one day for

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Speaker 1: a leap year. That's only six of the total term

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Speaker 1: of presidency. If you're if you're playing a pro football game,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about four minutes and six seconds into the

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Speaker 1: first quarter. Now, if we take a look what Trump

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Speaker 1: accomplished already, in my mind, from my perspective, he did

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Speaker 1: a lot just by winning, because that kept us from

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Speaker 1: going further into that, uh, over the cliff with that

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Speaker 1: idea of socialism and liberalism globalism. Plus he got the

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Speaker 1: Gorsage on the Supreme Court. And even going back to Roosevelt,

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Speaker 1: I think that's where this hundred day started. Roosevelt only

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Speaker 1: had one thing to deal with, and that was the depression.

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Speaker 1: Never far enough into the depression that I think both

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Speaker 1: the Republicans and the Democrats are on board with with

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Speaker 1: fixing it and fixing it, you know, as soon as possible.

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Speaker 1: When you take a look at what Trump has to

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Speaker 1: deal with, or any president in today's world, Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about terrorism, We're talking about trade issues. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about foreign power aggression, not only Russian China, but

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Speaker 1: uh North Korea and Iran getting nuclear bombs. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about a twenty trillion dollar dollar national debt. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about immigration problems. Uh. And I really think that considering

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Speaker 1: the fact that Trump not only has going into his term, uh,

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Speaker 1: the Democrats against him, He's got the mainstream media against him,

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Speaker 1: He's had had a number of Republicans against him. So

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Speaker 1: I really think, realistically, Um, you have to realize that

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Speaker 1: he's setting the foundation for things to come. And I

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Speaker 1: think any president for these days ought to be looked at,

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Speaker 1: you know, if you're approaching the mid term, say eighteen

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Speaker 1: twenty one months, Yeah, we're talking about a little bit

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Speaker 1: of trouble because then if the other side gets in

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Speaker 1: and gets both control of both houses, well then it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be very difficult for president and getting much accomplished.

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Speaker 1: But we're nowhere near that, and I think it has

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Speaker 1: to be kept in that perspective. Yeah, I agree, Tom Um,

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Speaker 1: and I think the the hundred days is totally arbitrary

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Speaker 1: and not even particularly useful. The only place where I have, uh,

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Speaker 1: some real real criticism for the administration is actually criticism

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Speaker 1: for the Republican Congress and that's on the first the

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Speaker 1: first health care effort, because it just to me was

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Speaker 1: was a debacle and it was a it was an

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Speaker 1: own goal. I mean, it didn't have to be that

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Speaker 1: an own goal on the soccer sense. It didn't have

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Speaker 1: to be that way, and some of your like soccer

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Speaker 1: buck come on. Um. But that that's the only thing

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Speaker 1: that I that I believe has been a real, a

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Speaker 1: real big miss I think on the travel band, some

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Speaker 1: of the other issues that people have brought up as

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Speaker 1: big mistakes administration, I don't think there's a big mistakes.

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Speaker 1: I think it's Trump doing what he said he wants,

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Speaker 1: doing what he said he would do. Uh. And this

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Speaker 1: will take some time. Well, we'll see what the tax

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Speaker 1: plan looks like. I was going to talk about that

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Speaker 1: probably in the next hour a bit. It's coming out

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Speaker 1: this Wednesday. But but Tom, I think your perspective is

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Speaker 1: well taken and uh. And I agree with where you're

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Speaker 1: coming from. And I do, and thank you for calling

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Speaker 1: in from Ohio. I would say that every day it

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Speaker 1: is fair to point out that whatever we got with Trump,

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Speaker 1: and I even had some of my own family members

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Speaker 1: and I talked about this and they will remind me

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Speaker 1: of this. Whatever we've got with Trump, at least it's

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Speaker 1: not Hillary. Now that can't be used as an excuse

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Speaker 1: for you know, Trump either selling out on promises or

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Speaker 1: just you know, messing up and dropping the ball. Um.

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Speaker 1: But it is useful context. At least we're not do

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Speaker 1: with Hillary, and that would have been and probably it's

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Speaker 1: not just Hillary, it's also all the people that Hillary

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Speaker 1: would have brought in to office with her. We'd been

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Speaker 1: Hillary secretary of State, it would have been Hillary's Treasury secretary,

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Speaker 1: and just look at everything. It would have been like

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Speaker 1: a nightmare from which there's no escape. I will hut

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Speaker 1: your dreams. Oh gosh, terrible, terrible. We do want on

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Speaker 1: that Hillary. Oh man. It would have been a rough

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Speaker 1: four years, maybe eight everybody, Um, so that would have

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Speaker 1: been no fun at all. We're gonna talk a bit

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Speaker 1: about where well, I'll probably get into some tax stuff

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Speaker 1: and also where are Trump voters in the first hundred days,

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Speaker 1: and also Afghanistan. Third Hour coming up in just a

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Speaker 1: few minutes. The Freedom Hunt rocks online too. You can

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Speaker 1: hang out with Team Buck anytime. Plus can plus the

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Speaker 1: latest news and analysis scored up Buck Sexton dot com,

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Speaker 1: Fuck Sexton dot com, that's Buck Sexton dot com. Shields High.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, team. We've got Selenato on the line. She

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Speaker 1: is a columnist for New York Post, Washington Examiner, reporter,

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Speaker 1: and a CNN contributor. Selenda Great to have you back. Hey,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for having me back. Tell me about

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Speaker 1: your your piece in the New York Post. How Trump

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Speaker 1: voters feel about his first hundred days. Well, actually it's

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Speaker 1: I went back to all the voters that I interviewed

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Speaker 1: from last October l'st last September Jesu. I can't even

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Speaker 1: remember what it was. I drove class country on US thirties,

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Speaker 1: which is the LI Lincoln Highway, which goes from Times

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Speaker 1: Square to San Francisco, and it was the first highway

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Speaker 1: that was built on this country, in this country. And

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Speaker 1: so I went back and talked to those voters, uh

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Speaker 1: that I that I interviewed during that trip, And it's

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Speaker 1: sort of like the best way I can describe it is,

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Speaker 1: it is still November eighth, two thousand sixteen, and it's midnight,

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Speaker 1: and the people who love Trump are very optimistic and

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Speaker 1: and excited about the future. The people who did not

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Speaker 1: vote for him, I still don't like him as still

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Speaker 1: are unimpressed and still sort of shell shocked. And that

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Speaker 1: is sort of the best way to condense everything that happened.

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Speaker 1: But but voters who liked him are so happy, some

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Speaker 1: of them more so. And the ones that didn't like

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Speaker 1: him still don't like him. And so those who voted

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Speaker 1: for Trump that you went back to talk to the

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Speaker 1: overwhelming majority of them. The consensus among them was that

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Speaker 1: he has delivered so far in his promises. They are

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Speaker 1: happy with their Trump vote. Yeah. Absolutely, Look, and you know,

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Speaker 1: they view things and measure things much differently than than

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Speaker 1: the national media does. In that, first of all, one

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Speaker 1: hundred days does not mean anything to them. And and

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Speaker 1: and I would I agree, I understand why, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's a hundred days, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: think of any job that you started. Did you accomplished

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Speaker 1: everything that you set out to do in a hundred days? No? Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, you know now having said that, he's also

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Speaker 1: when he was campaigning for while, I'm going to get this,

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Speaker 1: you know this down in the first hundred days. I

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Speaker 1: think anybody that becomes president, when they walk into the

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Speaker 1: the um obal office and they sit down at that desk,

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Speaker 1: they're like, well, dang, this is a mess. This is

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Speaker 1: really not at all what you know that what I

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Speaker 1: thought it would be. And you know, and dealing with

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Speaker 1: the with with the House and the Senate is complicated.

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Speaker 1: You've got personalities, you've got four hundred and thirty five

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Speaker 1: different different districts who want four hundred and thirty five

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Speaker 1: different things, and you know, it's and then you have

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Speaker 1: you sort of your your foreign policy is almost developed

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Speaker 1: by the reaction and the behavior of other foreign countries.

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Speaker 1: So it's sort of a you know, it's sort of

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Speaker 1: a mishmash of of a lot of things. But so

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Speaker 1: take the hundred days off. I think the first true

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Speaker 1: measuring stick for any president is the first mid terms

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Speaker 1: that they faced. And I believe in the modern history

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Speaker 1: there have only been two mid terms where presidents have

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Speaker 1: held onto this majority, and I think it was seventy

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Speaker 1: four and two thousands and two. Um. Outside of that,

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Speaker 1: you know, presidents always sort of loose seats. You it's

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Speaker 1: the matter of how many of them is the true

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Speaker 1: measurement of the rejection of the president's policy. Let's look

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Speaker 1: at the at some imminent action from the administration. You

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Speaker 1: had Fox News is Chris Wallace asking whether whether the

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Speaker 1: president can can back down in response to the democrats

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Speaker 1: obstructionism on on the debt. And here's here's how that

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Speaker 1: exchange went. I mean, I don't know that the president

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Speaker 1: is saying, Look, this is as you say, this is

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Speaker 1: what we're gonna set the market for the next four years.

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Speaker 1: Can he back down on the border wall given the

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Speaker 1: fact that you've set this up. Sure, let me let

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Speaker 1: me put it too this way. I like you, and

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Speaker 1: I've met you a couple of times. I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to negotiate with you on national television on Sunday. Will

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Speaker 1: negotiate with the Democrats. The negotiations are not finished yet.

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Speaker 1: We think we've given them a reasonable set of choices

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Speaker 1: things that they want. But but a director mulvaghey did

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Speaker 1: not answer the question. Understandably so under the circumstances. But Selena,

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Speaker 1: what do you think would Trump supporters be okay with

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Speaker 1: him backing down this time around on funding for a

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Speaker 1: border wall. Look, I think that the Trump supporters, based

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Speaker 1: on you know, actually constantly staying in touch with them,

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Speaker 1: they understand that that Washington is that there's a culture

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Speaker 1: there that that makes it very difficult to get deals

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Speaker 1: done the first second and sometimes third time. It takes

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Speaker 1: a lot of elbowing, It takes a lot of sort

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Speaker 1: of Lyndon Johnson like pressure, and and there is not

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Speaker 1: an expectation that that that it gets done the first

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Speaker 1: second or third time. They're they're smarter than we give

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Speaker 1: them credit for. And they're patient because they see him

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Speaker 1: doing things. They see him signing executive orders, they see

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Speaker 1: the Gorsete got in and there there, they see what

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Speaker 1: happened in Syria, and all these things to them show

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Speaker 1: that that he is willing to get out there and

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Speaker 1: and talk with people that that UM perhaps a Republican

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Speaker 1: president is does not normally negotiate with and and UM

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Speaker 1: and and attempt to find ways to get things downe

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Speaker 1: like tax reform, like Obamacare, and I suspect there's probably

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Speaker 1: going to be some infrastructure structure spending, and that's probably

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Speaker 1: the way that they get Democrats on board. When I

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Speaker 1: interviewed Joe Mansion earlier this year, you know, he's sort

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Speaker 1: of the negotiator in chief between and liaison between the

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Speaker 1: Democrats and the White House. And so I think he

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Speaker 1: will use people like him UM and their ability to

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Speaker 1: get a couple of people on board to get to

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Speaker 1: get some stuff done. Selena Zito, CNN contributor, New York

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Speaker 1: Post Columist, thank you so much for joining us. Great

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Speaker 1: to have you as always. Thanks so much for having me. Um.

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Speaker 1: By the way, you know, I didn't get a chance

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Speaker 1: to address this before, but uh, Jeff Sessions, Um, Jeff

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Speaker 1: Sessions was I was talking about Trump administration and he

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Speaker 1: made some comment about uh an island in the Pacific

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Speaker 1: with regard to Hawaii, and everyone went all, oh, my gosh,

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Speaker 1: it's like he's it's like he's negating Hawaii statehood. How

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Speaker 1: could you do such a thing? And I think Jeff

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Speaker 1: Sessions response to it, well, this would have been my

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Speaker 1: response if I were him, the state of Hawaii, the president. Um, no,

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Speaker 1: money hasn't it's humor anymore. It's totally true. Nobody has

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Speaker 1: a sense you hear Stephanopolis is I mean just straining there,

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Speaker 1: why not call the state of Hawaii like like Hawaii

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Speaker 1: feels so slighted because Jeff Sessions referred to it as

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Speaker 1: an island in the Pacific. It's just this is this

1477
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 1: is now part of the game because it gives an

1478
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:23,679
Speaker 1: additional layer of control over the discussion, over the debate,

1479
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:28,559
Speaker 1: over argument um not allowing for humor. It's it's really

1480
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 1: an aspect of the totalitarian impulse that the left has

1481
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:35,679
Speaker 1: when it comes to speech on campus, speech on TV

1482
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:39,600
Speaker 1: in general. Ideas they don't want they don't seek to

1483
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:42,599
Speaker 1: engage with the ideas of the opposition. They have a

1484
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:45,680
Speaker 1: couple of different playbooks that they're on. One of them

1485
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:49,040
Speaker 1: is just shut down speech, say it's racist. Uh, shout

1486
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 1: it down, literally, shout it down, have the government ban it,

1487
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 1: have outside control. Do not allow for a marketplace of

1488
01:24:56,920 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 1: ideas to be the go to. Right. The go to

1489
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 1: is force government, force, physical force, stop ideas you don't

1490
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:12,479
Speaker 1: like from being pushed or being discussed or debated. But

1491
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 1: humor is another very and I've talked to you about

1492
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 1: this before on the show, but the uh, the negation

1493
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 1: of humor as something that Republicans can use as a

1494
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:28,960
Speaker 1: tool and discourse is not something we should ignore the

1495
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 1: fact that every conservative, that every single conservative that I

1496
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 1: know feels like they were at least the ones that

1497
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 1: I've talked to about this. I shouldn't say everyone that

1498
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:39,559
Speaker 1: I know, but the ones that I've talked about this,

1499
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 1: those that they have to be very careful when they're

1500
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 1: making jokes, not just because if they cross an imaginary

1501
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:51,640
Speaker 1: progressive line of offensiveness, they're going to be repudiated and

1502
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:53,720
Speaker 1: they're gonna call for their firing, and there's going to

1503
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:57,960
Speaker 1: be a gathering of you know, sponsor boycotting and all

1504
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:01,680
Speaker 1: that stuff. But all so they pretend that it's not

1505
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:04,200
Speaker 1: possible for a Republican to make a joke. It's it's

1506
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 1: even more than just your joke may be offensive. Now

1507
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:09,599
Speaker 1: it's also your you can't make a joke. We saw

1508
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 1: this with Minuchin saying go see uh, you know, go

1509
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:16,439
Speaker 1: see Lego Batman. I mean he said it as a joke,

1510
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:18,360
Speaker 1: but he did say go see Lego Batman, and so

1511
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:21,760
Speaker 1: he he wasn't given the benefit of the doubt on that.

1512
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 1: Republicans are never given Conservatives are never given the benefit

1513
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 1: of the doubt when it comes to a joke, and

1514
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:30,120
Speaker 1: that has a really corrosive effect, not not just on

1515
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 1: um our ability to function well and to be effective

1516
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:37,800
Speaker 1: messengers in media, which of course I'm concerned with that

1517
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 1: because it's what I do for a living and I'm

1518
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:43,120
Speaker 1: I'm surrounded with it all the time. But it's a

1519
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:47,280
Speaker 1: means of asserting a another form of control. You box

1520
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:50,719
Speaker 1: conservatives in by acting like they can't even make a joke.

1521
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:53,720
Speaker 1: Oh you know, that's that's that's not funny. And and

1522
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:55,599
Speaker 1: we don't think it's funny because we assume you're being

1523
01:26:55,640 --> 01:27:00,120
Speaker 1: serious because conservatives are always so serious. Humors are very

1524
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 1: effective weapon in discourse. Um, there's a reason why tyrants

1525
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 1: really hate being mocked. Right, you go back to even

1526
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 1: what happened with with North Korea and Kim Jong On

1527
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 1: and that movie. Um, what was the movie called? I

1528
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:19,160
Speaker 1: forget what it was called? The anyway, I'm forgetting the

1529
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 1: name of it where they made fun of Kim Jong On?

1530
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was like with with Seth Rogan

1531
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:26,680
Speaker 1: and the other guy who's yeah, no, was it the Dictator? Now?

1532
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:29,680
Speaker 1: Was it the Dictator? No? That's not right. Um, I

1533
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:31,680
Speaker 1: forget with any of the movies anyway, I'm forget. The

1534
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:34,679
Speaker 1: point of the point are being that dictators really don't

1535
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 1: like to be mocked, that that mockery undermines their power.

1536
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:43,240
Speaker 1: And not only are republicans never allowed the leeway to

1537
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 1: make a joke without running a foul of the PC

1538
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 1: police of course, And and humor is really on the

1539
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:52,759
Speaker 1: humor is like going the way of poetry in this country,

1540
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 1: which is just an art form that no longer exists.

1541
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:58,240
Speaker 1: There's so little funny now when you go around and

1542
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:00,640
Speaker 1: you're supposed to find something to lie fat in your

1543
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 1: day to day other I'm talking. I'm talking about outside

1544
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:07,680
Speaker 1: the realm of uh sitcoms and and scripted TV. I

1545
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:12,040
Speaker 1: mean stand up comedy, nightly news, commentary, comedy, all of that.

1546
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:14,519
Speaker 1: It's never stuff that we can all laugh at. It's

1547
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 1: always just making fun of Republicans. Now you're getta Liine

1548
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 1: Colbert and that little British code what it talks like this,

1549
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 1: Joan Oliver, that's right, John Oliver. Um, you get on

1550
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:26,760
Speaker 1: the list all of them, and they all make the

1551
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:30,599
Speaker 1: same jokes. They're not funny. And anytime a Republican makes

1552
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:33,040
Speaker 1: a joke, even if they get away with it and

1553
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:34,760
Speaker 1: it is funny and in good taste, they have to.

1554
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:37,639
Speaker 1: They're there. You're on notice. You're always being put on notice.

1555
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 1: And here Jeff Session, Jeff Sessions is not funny. Okay,

1556
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to Jeff is not a funny guy.

1557
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 1: Ha ha uh. It seems like a very good man

1558
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:46,600
Speaker 1: to me, but he's not a funny guy. Um. But

1559
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:48,719
Speaker 1: you know, I made a kind of off hand comment,

1560
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:51,000
Speaker 1: and it just goes to show you that the media

1561
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:55,080
Speaker 1: is now the annoying high school dean that just wants

1562
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 1: to run around and give everybody to tention all the time.

1563
01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:00,519
Speaker 1: That's what they've become. With Republicans, that's what they become.

1564
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 1: That's how petty and annoying they are. And so I'd

1565
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 1: like to give Republicans a lot of the benefit the doubt.

1566
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:09,680
Speaker 1: One of the problems, you know, I I always give

1567
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:11,679
Speaker 1: them benefit of the doubt. But one of the problems

1568
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 1: and Democrats to by the way, if I think a

1569
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 1: joke is made in good faith and uh, you know

1570
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 1: I want, I'll allow it to be a joke. I

1571
01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:20,320
Speaker 1: won't pretend to there's no way he was kidding. And too,

1572
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:22,680
Speaker 1: I won't always run around yelling about how offended I am,

1573
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:25,360
Speaker 1: which is just crazy. One of the problems that I

1574
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:27,840
Speaker 1: think one of the things we have to confront now

1575
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 1: the reality of um, Trump's ability to make jokes versus

1576
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:34,280
Speaker 1: everybody else, or Trump's ability to speak about things and

1577
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:37,759
Speaker 1: make jokes that other people can't. You know, you better

1578
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:41,760
Speaker 1: be economically independent if you're going to go public, whether

1579
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:45,000
Speaker 1: you're a politician and the media anywhere else, and just

1580
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:48,720
Speaker 1: speak your mind. Um that's one thing about Trump that

1581
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:50,880
Speaker 1: doesn't translate unfortunately the rest of us. And if you're

1582
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 1: a billionaire, you can have everybody call you a racist

1583
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:56,320
Speaker 1: for a week or two and doesn't really matter, right,

1584
01:29:56,360 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 1: But if you're barely paying your bills all of a sudden,

1585
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 1: making a joke that you're a no name congressman, or

1586
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 1: you're in the media in some capacity, or just you're

1587
01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:07,960
Speaker 1: an everyday citizen work in the private sector, and you

1588
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 1: make a joke, you risk your career, and it just

1589
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 1: shouldn't be that way. So I just thought it was.

1590
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:15,680
Speaker 1: I know, it's a long along digression here, based on

1591
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:17,759
Speaker 1: stefan Obvios. We know, couldn't you just call it a state?

1592
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:21,760
Speaker 1: Just just calm down, you know, calm down, Stefanopolis, all right,

1593
01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 1: we don't, we really know. The outrage meter can't always

1594
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:27,640
Speaker 1: be full, you know, sometimes you can just let it

1595
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 1: go alright, hit in a quick break, We'll be right back. Well,

1596
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 1: we're supposed to find out about the tax plan, the

1597
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:39,320
Speaker 1: Administration's tax plan here in the next couple of days,

1598
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:45,559
Speaker 1: and from what I understand, it will deal first and

1599
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:49,800
Speaker 1: foremost with the corporate tax rate. Nothing all that surprising there.

1600
01:30:49,880 --> 01:30:54,880
Speaker 1: I just have to say, I'm uh, well, they're gonna

1601
01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:58,080
Speaker 1: push the corporate rate to or Trump wants. This is

1602
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 1: just a rebably a mission statement. It's not a memo,

1603
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:05,519
Speaker 1: it's a mission statement. Um Trump wants to anyone catch

1604
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 1: the Jerry McGuire reference. I don't know. I just thought

1605
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:11,719
Speaker 1: so throw that in there. Kind of an underrated movie.

1606
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:13,599
Speaker 1: Really in retrospect that I thought it was pretty good.

1607
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:17,559
Speaker 1: Trump wants to push the corporate rate to fifteen cent,

1608
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:24,719
Speaker 1: and uh, he is going to also give a massive

1609
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:30,479
Speaker 1: tax cut for the American public in general. And they're

1610
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:32,120
Speaker 1: willing to do this even if it means a loss

1611
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:36,599
Speaker 1: of revenue. Okay, Um, that's a good thing. I don't

1612
01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:40,719
Speaker 1: like the term revenue as an aside here. I find

1613
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:46,920
Speaker 1: it um uncomfortable. I find it puzzling. I do not

1614
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 1: like when the government's so called revenue is referred to

1615
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:53,479
Speaker 1: in a way well first produced by using the term revenue,

1616
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:55,760
Speaker 1: but also the way it's written about it says, though,

1617
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:58,960
Speaker 1: that's the money that we owe because the government says,

1618
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:01,240
Speaker 1: that's the money we owe to it, that's owed to

1619
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:05,680
Speaker 1: it in perpetuity, you know, Well, the government's expectation is

1620
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:09,080
Speaker 1: that next year will give them this. Well, no, the

1621
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:12,040
Speaker 1: Congress sets the rate in the tax code for a

1622
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:16,559
Speaker 1: whole bunch of different things. So if that changes, then

1623
01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:18,680
Speaker 1: that's what the government gets. It shouldn't be thought of

1624
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:21,240
Speaker 1: as And then you start to get into well, that's

1625
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 1: because all the spending is on autopilot right now in

1626
01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:26,920
Speaker 1: the butt which it is. It's an autopilot, and over

1627
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:31,200
Speaker 1: of it is in Medicare and Social Security. So there's

1628
01:32:31,320 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 1: that which nobody is touching, and nobody even talks about

1629
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:38,120
Speaker 1: touching these days. I shouldn't say nobody, but very few

1630
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 1: people talk about it. Certainly the Trump administration is not

1631
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:46,320
Speaker 1: yet talking about that. And the corporate tax right here,

1632
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:48,040
Speaker 1: here's how this is supposed to go. And I gotta

1633
01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:53,440
Speaker 1: think about this, and we'll bring on some tax experts,

1634
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:56,120
Speaker 1: or at least a tax ex or bring on tax experts.

1635
01:32:56,200 --> 01:32:58,080
Speaker 1: Might be a little too much taxation talk this week.

1636
01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:00,680
Speaker 1: We'll bring on somebody who can walk us through a

1637
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:02,280
Speaker 1: little bit of the nuts and bolts of what this

1638
01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:04,760
Speaker 1: would mean. Okay, but here's the basics of it. Right,

1639
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:07,920
Speaker 1: So you gotta roughly throw one at the tax rate

1640
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:12,080
Speaker 1: currently for corporations, which is the highest in the industrialized world.

1641
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:15,400
Speaker 1: That's the talking point that it's true, and don't mean

1642
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:18,480
Speaker 1: to say it's a talking point, is in it's somehow dishonest.

1643
01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:21,320
Speaker 1: But that's that's what we hear. That's the bullet point

1644
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:25,680
Speaker 1: that's out there, and they'll lower to fift And the

1645
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:27,439
Speaker 1: idea here is that that would mean that there's a

1646
01:33:27,439 --> 01:33:33,360
Speaker 1: lot of investment into companies. Companies will reinvest those profits,

1647
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:39,160
Speaker 1: and that will mean an expansion of business, well, expansion

1648
01:33:39,160 --> 01:33:41,719
Speaker 1: of businesses across the board, and that will mean more

1649
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:45,599
Speaker 1: more hiring. More hiring means more jobs. More jobs means growth.

1650
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:48,960
Speaker 1: Growth is good, everything is great. I think that's that

1651
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:51,840
Speaker 1: all sounds lovely, and I believe that is all sound

1652
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:56,360
Speaker 1: thinking a couple of things just because I'm because I'm

1653
01:33:56,400 --> 01:34:02,320
Speaker 1: keeping it real. Businesses may uh reinvest the money that

1654
01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:04,320
Speaker 1: they get as a result of this tax break, and

1655
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:07,720
Speaker 1: many of them will, some of them will probably this

1656
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:11,479
Speaker 1: value may go to shareholders before it goes to anybody

1657
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:14,439
Speaker 1: who is at the labor end of the spectrum. So

1658
01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 1: the impact it will have on jobs, I'm not saying

1659
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:21,160
Speaker 1: it won't. I'm just saying, let's see. I also have

1660
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 1: my concerns. You know, it was very well about the

1661
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:26,599
Speaker 1: fact that this isn't dealing with the individual rates at

1662
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:28,479
Speaker 1: least I haven't heard what it will do for individual rates.

1663
01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:30,880
Speaker 1: Just yet other than say that there's a big tax

1664
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:37,280
Speaker 1: cut coming for individuals. Um. Somebody messaged me a member

1665
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:39,040
Speaker 1: of Team Buck, and I always appreciate that you can

1666
01:34:39,040 --> 01:34:40,519
Speaker 1: do that. You can just go to Facebook dot com

1667
01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:42,680
Speaker 1: slash buck Sexton and you can either post on the

1668
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:45,160
Speaker 1: page or you can always send messages. I mean, the

1669
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:47,120
Speaker 1: whole team here can see it. I'm not the only one,

1670
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:48,760
Speaker 1: but I will read it when I can, and I'll

1671
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:51,920
Speaker 1: get back to you when I can. UM, and I

1672
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:53,760
Speaker 1: get I get in there and read them as as

1673
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:58,000
Speaker 1: often as as possible. Uh. A woman messaged me and said,

1674
01:34:58,000 --> 01:34:59,639
Speaker 1: you know, on taxes, I've been hearing the same I've

1675
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:01,559
Speaker 1: been hearing the same thing for forty years, and you

1676
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 1: know what, She's right. She's right. And I don't understand

1677
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 1: how it's possible for so many pundits and analysts and

1678
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:17,599
Speaker 1: people on the on the right, conservatives with really large followings,

1679
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:22,320
Speaker 1: big megaphones, the ability to direct the national conversation, how

1680
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:24,639
Speaker 1: there's not more outrage over the fact that people are

1681
01:35:24,640 --> 01:35:27,840
Speaker 1: paying what they're paying in taxes right now, and that

1682
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:31,320
Speaker 1: the tax code is as inefficient and unfair as it is.

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Speaker 1: It is beyond me. I don't understand, this is the

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01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:37,240
Speaker 1: belly of the beast. This is the beginning of so

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01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:40,560
Speaker 1: many of the other problems that we have with government.

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01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:44,160
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the start of so many federal ills.

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01:35:44,439 --> 01:35:46,639
Speaker 1: And yet you know, we're kind of like, yeah, we'll

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01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:48,600
Speaker 1: do the corporate rate and we'll see. I'm going to

1689
01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:50,439
Speaker 1: give Trump time on this. I'm not trying to say

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01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:53,960
Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen or that he's not, but I'm

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01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:57,920
Speaker 1: just gonna be watching this very closely, um, because to me,

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01:35:58,360 --> 01:36:01,040
Speaker 1: this shouldn't be yet. I think was other Minuta or

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01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:02,960
Speaker 1: Mulvaney saying today that you should be able to do

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01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:06,000
Speaker 1: your taxes on a large postcard. Okay, let's get a

1695
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:08,639
Speaker 1: bill forward that would let people do that. How about that.

1696
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:12,519
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's time to start thinking from a

1697
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:18,360
Speaker 1: conservative radical perspective, meaning that to be truly conservative when

1698
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:21,559
Speaker 1: you're talking about taxes right now would in fact be

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01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:24,840
Speaker 1: a radical position and a radical departure from what we have.

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01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:29,479
Speaker 1: Got to embrace that and do it. Welcome back to

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01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:32,679
Speaker 1: the Freedom hud on an island of liberty where you're

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01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:36,519
Speaker 1: the party and it's full of fellow patriots. Buck Sexton

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01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:41,000
Speaker 1: kicks it off. Whatever we welcome back big news from

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01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:45,280
Speaker 1: Afghanistan in the last few days. A mass casualty attack

1705
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:50,479
Speaker 1: killed more than a hundred and sixty Afghan soldiers last week.

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01:36:50,520 --> 01:36:54,000
Speaker 1: It was up in the north. It involved an infiltration

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01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:59,000
Speaker 1: of an Afghan military base near Massari, Sharif and the

1708
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:02,720
Speaker 1: talent ban is of course ascendant. You also have the

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01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:06,280
Speaker 1: Islamic State active, and I want to get into all

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01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:08,439
Speaker 1: of the latest and Afghanistan and the aftermath of this

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01:37:08,479 --> 01:37:11,640
Speaker 1: attack where you have two top Afghanistan military officials have

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01:37:12,120 --> 01:37:15,519
Speaker 1: resigned right after this, so it is major news coming

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01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:19,479
Speaker 1: out of that conflict. We're joined nowt by Zach asthmus Um.

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01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:21,960
Speaker 1: He is a writer for soft Rep. You can check

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01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:24,439
Speaker 1: out his latest on soft rep dot com. He's a

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01:37:24,439 --> 01:37:28,439
Speaker 1: former Air Force combat controller. He did a deployment in

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01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:32,800
Speaker 1: Afghanistan and it's going to talk to us a bit

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01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:34,880
Speaker 1: about what he saw there. He's got real eyes on

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01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:37,680
Speaker 1: the ground experience will bring him in now. Zach, that

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01:37:37,880 --> 01:37:41,200
Speaker 1: thanks so much, hey, but thanks for having me. First off,

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01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:46,599
Speaker 1: when you saw read about this infiltrator attack up near

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01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:51,839
Speaker 1: Mazar in northern Afghanistan. Not typically over the course the conflict,

1723
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:57,280
Speaker 1: where you see the most complex and and deadly attacks happening.

1724
01:37:57,320 --> 01:38:01,519
Speaker 1: What was what was your sense of what happened here? Um, Well, exactly,

1725
01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:03,519
Speaker 1: it's a nail on the head there. It's it's sort

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01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:06,519
Speaker 1: of abnormal to hear about something up in Mazar Sharif

1727
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:10,799
Speaker 1: or mes Um. It's pretty tightly controlled by the provincial

1728
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:14,080
Speaker 1: governor up there, and it's an area that you know,

1729
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:16,559
Speaker 1: I spent little time in, but some of my colleagues

1730
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:18,479
Speaker 1: have spent a lot of time there and they felt

1731
01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:23,280
Speaker 1: extremely safe. Um guards posted everywhere. So for an attack

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01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:25,479
Speaker 1: to happen there versus Cobble or you know down in

1733
01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:28,640
Speaker 1: Kandahar Helmett or even Eastern you know, neana hard to

1734
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:32,400
Speaker 1: all about. It's it's rare, so you know, it's a

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01:38:32,479 --> 01:38:34,680
Speaker 1: signal that you know, things may be changing a little bit.

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01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:39,160
Speaker 1: This is the single deadliest Taliban attack, UH in the

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01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:41,400
Speaker 1: entire war so far. I me, in terms of a

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01:38:41,439 --> 01:38:45,640
Speaker 1: one off engagement. Number of people killed, absolutely, and you know,

1739
01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:49,439
Speaker 1: I think they've been conservative with the numbers you mentioned

1740
01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:52,040
Speaker 1: one sixty. Um, you know, I've heard reports a bit

1741
01:38:52,120 --> 01:38:55,400
Speaker 1: climbing over two hundreds. So it's an absolutely, you know,

1742
01:38:55,439 --> 01:38:58,559
Speaker 1: devastating blow. So this was on Friday. It was right

1743
01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:03,920
Speaker 1: after Friday prayers, you had Taliban infiltrators dressed as Afghan

1744
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:09,679
Speaker 1: military just rolled in in a convoy and there were hundreds,

1745
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:13,680
Speaker 1: if not thousands of unarmed Afghan troops who were just

1746
01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:16,960
Speaker 1: walking out of Friday prayers and they were just just

1747
01:39:17,040 --> 01:39:20,000
Speaker 1: gunned down, unarmed, fishing a barrel, no way to escape,

1748
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:25,240
Speaker 1: right absolutely, And that's that's bothersome. Um. You shouldn't have

1749
01:39:25,240 --> 01:39:29,120
Speaker 1: a military base where you know, nearly of the people

1750
01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:31,679
Speaker 1: station there and laid down their arms and and disappeared

1751
01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:34,240
Speaker 1: to prayer or you know, start sipping to your you know,

1752
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:38,360
Speaker 1: the whole culture. I think um kind of needs to

1753
01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:40,760
Speaker 1: change if they're going to be serious about their security.

1754
01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:42,640
Speaker 1: Tell us about that. I know that you have a

1755
01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:45,760
Speaker 1: particular point of view here because you were an Air

1756
01:39:45,800 --> 01:39:50,200
Speaker 1: Force combat controller and you were with UH Special Forces

1757
01:39:50,280 --> 01:39:53,760
Speaker 1: in Afghanistan and down in Hellman Province. You think that

1758
01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:58,080
Speaker 1: while we often hear that the Afghan military um is

1759
01:39:58,680 --> 01:40:01,800
Speaker 1: being trained up to take a fight to the Taliban themselves,

1760
01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:06,040
Speaker 1: there are structural problems with that approach. And you're telling

1761
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:10,120
Speaker 1: me now that there are also some problems in the

1762
01:40:10,280 --> 01:40:13,240
Speaker 1: very basic attitudes of the soldiers that are supposed to

1763
01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:17,160
Speaker 1: be doing this fighting for the Afghan side, right, you know,

1764
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:20,080
Speaker 1: you look at guys now. The exceptions, of course are

1765
01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:23,280
Speaker 1: the commandos, which is our equivalent of or the Afghan

1766
01:40:23,320 --> 01:40:26,400
Speaker 1: equivalent of our ranger force, and the you know, the

1767
01:40:26,439 --> 01:40:29,080
Speaker 1: Afghan Special Forces, which is the direct equivalent of our

1768
01:40:29,200 --> 01:40:31,760
Speaker 1: you know, green berets modeled after the same type of

1769
01:40:32,040 --> 01:40:36,080
Speaker 1: unconventional warfare and small unit tactics. But if you just

1770
01:40:36,120 --> 01:40:39,719
Speaker 1: look across the board at the standard Afghan Army recruit,

1771
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:42,479
Speaker 1: you know, he's doing this for a paycheck. It it

1772
01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:45,519
Speaker 1: really to most of these guys, it's not much more

1773
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:48,720
Speaker 1: than that, and their loyalty is really to their hometowns

1774
01:40:48,760 --> 01:40:52,639
Speaker 1: and not really to the nation of Afghanistan. So when

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01:40:52,720 --> 01:40:54,599
Speaker 1: when they joined the army, they're not joining it as

1776
01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:57,040
Speaker 1: a career. They're not maybe even doing it, you know,

1777
01:40:57,160 --> 01:41:01,240
Speaker 1: for patriotic reasons. So it's kind of hard understand as Americans,

1778
01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:04,439
Speaker 1: you know, who appreciate the patriotism and in our military,

1779
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:08,120
Speaker 1: to understand how uh, you know, much of a novice

1780
01:41:08,160 --> 01:41:10,679
Speaker 1: group a lot of these guys are you You said

1781
01:41:10,680 --> 01:41:13,320
Speaker 1: that there sometimes there'll be hours at a time when

1782
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:17,880
Speaker 1: Afghan military, Afghan Army will just lay down weapons, pray

1783
01:41:18,040 --> 01:41:22,320
Speaker 1: and drink chai for hours hours on end. Yeah, I

1784
01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:25,680
Speaker 1: mean that's true, that's that is the culture. Um. You know,

1785
01:41:26,280 --> 01:41:29,120
Speaker 1: you pray multiple times a day. Um, you know, sit

1786
01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:31,200
Speaker 1: around with the guys and have some chi tea or

1787
01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:34,000
Speaker 1: whatever and and kind of kick it. And that's uh,

1788
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:36,320
Speaker 1: you know, something that's obviously not going to stand up to.

1789
01:41:36,840 --> 01:41:38,920
Speaker 1: You know, this was just they're just staying ten or

1790
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:42,840
Speaker 1: a dozen militants that came in and slaughtered over two

1791
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:46,160
Speaker 1: hundred people. So obviously there's there's a problem there. Talk

1792
01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:49,240
Speaker 1: to me about rules of engagement on the US side.

1793
01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:52,800
Speaker 1: We've got hundred or so US troops in country. Still,

1794
01:41:52,840 --> 01:41:55,599
Speaker 1: you were there just a couple of years ago, Uh,

1795
01:41:55,600 --> 01:42:01,080
Speaker 1: and you felt like hands were tied how so? Yeah, well,

1796
01:42:01,120 --> 01:42:04,519
Speaker 1: you know, in direct contrast to CNS get clearance, whoever

1797
01:42:04,520 --> 01:42:06,639
Speaker 1: that j tech was that got to drop a twenty

1798
01:42:06,640 --> 01:42:10,280
Speaker 1: two thousand pound bomb, you know, I was, I was

1799
01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:12,160
Speaker 1: trying my best just to get up you know, d

1800
01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:15,680
Speaker 1: ten pounds or five hundred pound bomb drops. Um, you know,

1801
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:20,519
Speaker 1: even in some pretty stressful, dire, dire situations. So you know,

1802
01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:22,280
Speaker 1: at the end of two thousand and fourteen, is we

1803
01:42:22,280 --> 01:42:27,400
Speaker 1: were kind of leaving and assuming this purely advisory role. Um,

1804
01:42:27,439 --> 01:42:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, if you can call it that, it was.

1805
01:42:29,960 --> 01:42:31,519
Speaker 1: It was pretty hard. It was pretty hard to do

1806
01:42:31,560 --> 01:42:34,880
Speaker 1: your job, pretty frustrating. Sometimes you'd see some guys walk away,

1807
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:38,439
Speaker 1: so they were active. There were firefights under way, and

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01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:42,800
Speaker 1: you had guys like yourself, four deployed air combat controllers

1809
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:45,479
Speaker 1: and you would get will you get waved off? You said, look,

1810
01:42:45,479 --> 01:42:47,200
Speaker 1: we we we need to drop a five d pounder

1811
01:42:47,200 --> 01:42:51,519
Speaker 1: in here, and Bass would just say nope, sorry. Um. Yeah,

1812
01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:53,640
Speaker 1: it wasn't quite that cut and dry. But you know,

1813
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:56,040
Speaker 1: you really had to watch your wording and you had

1814
01:42:56,080 --> 01:42:59,360
Speaker 1: to make sure that you know, they're absolutely no civilian casualties,

1815
01:42:59,479 --> 01:43:02,080
Speaker 1: you know, past able, which is very difficult to do

1816
01:43:02,120 --> 01:43:06,080
Speaker 1: in a wartime, you know, stressful environment. Um, so you

1817
01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:07,519
Speaker 1: just had to watch what you say. I mean, you

1818
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:10,080
Speaker 1: had to really sit down and almost become a lawyer

1819
01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:13,240
Speaker 1: yourself to understand how to do your job. So and

1820
01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:15,639
Speaker 1: so you think the Moab drop is a signal. People

1821
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:17,760
Speaker 1: have always talked about it as a signal too well.

1822
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:20,680
Speaker 1: Of course the Taliban to the Islamic State who as

1823
01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:22,960
Speaker 1: long as state at Afghanistans who it was dropped on,

1824
01:43:23,680 --> 01:43:25,920
Speaker 1: but also to our enemies around the world that there's

1825
01:43:25,960 --> 01:43:31,840
Speaker 1: a renewed seriousness and a renewed dedication to standing up

1826
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:34,559
Speaker 1: to enemies and doing whatever is necessary. But it also

1827
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:38,040
Speaker 1: gives our guys on the ground in Afghanistan a sense

1828
01:43:38,120 --> 01:43:41,559
Speaker 1: that they will have more freedom to engage the enemy

1829
01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:44,439
Speaker 1: as they see fit, right, you know, And that's what

1830
01:43:44,479 --> 01:43:47,559
Speaker 1: I've heard from my active duty comrades right now there.

1831
01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:50,240
Speaker 1: You know, everyone's pretty excited. We've got a good feeling

1832
01:43:50,240 --> 01:43:54,280
Speaker 1: about letting the military actually, you know, be controlled by

1833
01:43:54,280 --> 01:43:56,360
Speaker 1: the military and do its job over there where at war,

1834
01:43:56,520 --> 01:43:58,120
Speaker 1: and we don't need to be fighting with one hand

1835
01:43:58,120 --> 01:44:02,040
Speaker 1: tied behind our backs. So definitely the MOAB dropped as

1836
01:44:02,160 --> 01:44:05,599
Speaker 1: a signal in a shift um towards a more lenient

1837
01:44:06,120 --> 01:44:09,439
Speaker 1: approach you by this administration, And I think it gets

1838
01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:12,080
Speaker 1: our guys excited. Guys that have been you know, on

1839
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:16,320
Speaker 1: six to twelve tours in Afghanistan and Iraq and haven't

1840
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:18,000
Speaker 1: been able to really do their job. Now I think

1841
01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:21,840
Speaker 1: they're getting some freedom of maneuver. And you saw what

1842
01:44:21,880 --> 01:44:24,160
Speaker 1: was going on with the Islamic state and country in

1843
01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:25,760
Speaker 1: the in the early days, Well, can you tell us

1844
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:28,280
Speaker 1: about the ISIS threat in Afghanistan and how it has evolved.

1845
01:44:29,720 --> 01:44:32,639
Speaker 1: Um it's growing. There's you know, there's little pockets that

1846
01:44:33,160 --> 01:44:38,519
Speaker 1: are isolated in in Afghanistan. There's places that because we

1847
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:40,479
Speaker 1: used to have a large troop presence there, you know,

1848
01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:44,120
Speaker 1: over a hundred thousand at some point, that those places

1849
01:44:44,160 --> 01:44:47,599
Speaker 1: would be regularly patrolled. But now that we've just kind

1850
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:51,719
Speaker 1: of pulled back to just a few main spots, it's

1851
01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:55,320
Speaker 1: pretty easy now for um isis to come into these

1852
01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:58,200
Speaker 1: places where they might send some sort of disloyalty towards

1853
01:44:58,240 --> 01:45:00,439
Speaker 1: the government and you know, grow a train and camp

1854
01:45:00,439 --> 01:45:03,599
Speaker 1: and recruit from there. And what do you think would

1855
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:07,040
Speaker 1: have to happen in country to turn things around? Right now?

1856
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:12,799
Speaker 1: You have Helmond in Helmand in part completely under Taliban control.

1857
01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:16,879
Speaker 1: Other parts the country are at least partially under Taliban control.

1858
01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:21,120
Speaker 1: You've got the top us general in Afghanistan in the

1859
01:45:21,200 --> 01:45:23,479
Speaker 1: last twenty four hours just saying that he would quote

1860
01:45:23,560 --> 01:45:26,439
Speaker 1: he would not refute that was the quote. Reports that

1861
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:30,200
Speaker 1: Russia was providing support including weapons to the Taliban. What

1862
01:45:30,240 --> 01:45:32,760
Speaker 1: do you make of what we need to do now? Right?

1863
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:36,360
Speaker 1: I think that is extremely damaging to our to our

1864
01:45:36,360 --> 01:45:38,760
Speaker 1: hopes to outrighte one of war in Afghanistan when you

1865
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:41,400
Speaker 1: have you know, first of all, just you know, us

1866
01:45:41,439 --> 01:45:46,439
Speaker 1: fighting the Taliban with the reduced forces, you know, difficult,

1867
01:45:46,439 --> 01:45:50,320
Speaker 1: you know at least, so at at best. So when

1868
01:45:50,320 --> 01:45:53,080
Speaker 1: you find out that there's potential that Russians are directly

1869
01:45:53,320 --> 01:45:55,960
Speaker 1: you know, funding the you know, our enemy over there

1870
01:45:56,240 --> 01:45:59,840
Speaker 1: is it's pretty devastating. So, I mean, we've got to

1871
01:46:00,120 --> 01:46:02,000
Speaker 1: I don't know the exact answer to how you end

1872
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:04,519
Speaker 1: this thing, but there's got to be some sort of

1873
01:46:04,520 --> 01:46:06,720
Speaker 1: an agreement between us and the Taliban. I mean, there

1874
01:46:06,760 --> 01:46:10,200
Speaker 1: has to be. Is you're just never gonna completely defeat

1875
01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:13,240
Speaker 1: the Taliban. There's always going to be this this movement

1876
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:17,920
Speaker 1: that inspires the poor, you know, rule people to take

1877
01:46:17,960 --> 01:46:20,280
Speaker 1: a paycheck and fight they don't even know who they're fighting.

1878
01:46:21,160 --> 01:46:23,760
Speaker 1: And those are those of the those of your your

1879
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:25,840
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters in uniform who are still in I'm

1880
01:46:25,880 --> 01:46:28,240
Speaker 1: just wondering if you ever hear from them about specifically,

1881
01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:33,000
Speaker 1: whether they'd be how they'd feel about just deciding that

1882
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:35,519
Speaker 1: Afghanistan they've had enough, um you know that that we

1883
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:37,720
Speaker 1: should we shouldn't continue to just do what we're doing there,

1884
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:39,840
Speaker 1: or are they committed to this to the very end

1885
01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:43,880
Speaker 1: no matter what. Um, you know, you know, my friends

1886
01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:48,240
Speaker 1: and Special Operations in particular are definitely committed to the end.

1887
01:46:48,280 --> 01:46:50,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you go over there and it's not just

1888
01:46:50,840 --> 01:46:53,000
Speaker 1: it's not just another country. It's not just a place

1889
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:55,000
Speaker 1: on the map. It's the place maybe you've been before.

1890
01:46:55,640 --> 01:46:58,880
Speaker 1: Maybe you've got a translator that you worked with a

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago that see again, and you understand

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Speaker 1: the hardships that the good guys are fighting over there

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Speaker 1: seven three sixty five, not just on these four or

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Speaker 1: six month tour. So I know in particular, you know,

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Speaker 1: I can speak for combat controllers SF guys, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: steals them, they're there, Marsac whoever, uh, you know, rangers.

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Speaker 1: This is definitely a place that they want to be,

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Speaker 1: you know, until it's better. They don't want no one

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Speaker 1: who wants to leave with it half done. Zack Asthmas

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Speaker 1: is a writer for soft rep dot com. He's a

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Speaker 1: former Air Force combat controller serve that Afghanistan. Zack, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for your service and for your time.

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Speaker 1: Sir Buck, thanks a lot. Thanks for having me team.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna hit a break. We'll be right back. The

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Speaker 1: The Buck is back and now he's nae. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's pretty amazing. You know. He's he's paras

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Speaker 1: and he's jet skiing, he's wearing jeans, he's going to Starbucks.

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Speaker 1: Is he gotten massive politics? I mean, I don't he

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Speaker 1: has to write Bernie. I mean, I think if you

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Speaker 1: asked Bernie he would say no. I think he even

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Speaker 1: said he wasn't a Democrat the other day. Um, Tom Perez,

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Speaker 1: I think you know he is. I think Barack Obama

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Speaker 1: is probably still the leader of the Democratic Party, even

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Speaker 1: though he is sort of on a hiatus right now. UM.

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Speaker 1: I hope Hillary comes back, but she more than deserves

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Speaker 1: some time out to sort of regroup. Barack Obama back

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Speaker 1: in the in the public eye after a three month

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Speaker 1: long vacation, including on a on on a super yacht.

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Speaker 1: From what I saw on the press, Uh, Barack Obama

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Speaker 1: is still the leader of the Democratic Party. According to

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Speaker 1: this one punedit on CNN. I guess I didn't factor

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Speaker 1: that in when we were talking earlier about oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders. Why not go to the to the left

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Speaker 1: with Bernie Sanders and try to use that to create

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Speaker 1: enthusiasm for the Democrat base, and why not move in

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Speaker 1: that direction? Well, and also I've asked who's the who's

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Speaker 1: the leader of the Democratic Party in the sense that

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Speaker 1: why are they still propping up the Clinton brand as

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Speaker 1: though it's a winner for them? Clinton brand hasn't been

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Speaker 1: a winner since two thousand and we're gonna say, well, okay,

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Speaker 1: you could say the Senate election, I guess, but it's

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Speaker 1: not really not It doesn't really matter at the national level,

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Speaker 1: and being a junior senator from New York is not

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Speaker 1: enough to build a political dynasty on. It was, of

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Speaker 1: course all Bill, you know, he got it done for

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Speaker 1: eight years for the Democrats, and they thought that maybe

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Speaker 1: they could have a repeat of that with Hillary Clinton

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Speaker 1: for eight years, and now they obviously can't. And they're

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Speaker 1: even flirting with the notion of trying to elevate Chelsea

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Speaker 1: Clinton into a similar role, and that would be wow.

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Speaker 1: I think the media has reached the limit of its

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Speaker 1: powers with trying to turn somebody who is clearly as

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Speaker 1: an title the human being as I can think of

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Speaker 1: in the United States into a figure of public acclaim

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Speaker 1: and even adoration, which I just beyond the media. Right,

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Speaker 1: the media loves Chelsea, but that's just an extension of

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Speaker 1: their love for Hillary and Bill. Uh they can't. I don't, well,

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't say can't. Unlikely they'll be able to create

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Speaker 1: a successful political brand around Chelsea Clinton. I just don't

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Speaker 1: see it. And so then we get back to well,

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Speaker 1: who is going to be kingmaker in the Democratic Party?

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Speaker 1: Who's going to be the one that is in the

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Speaker 1: position too if not run help determine who will be

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Speaker 1: the standard bearer. And it's not just the standard bear,

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Speaker 1: it's not even just the question of the the individual.

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Speaker 1: It's also worth noting that it's the ideas too that

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Speaker 1: will be at the center of the Democratic Party as

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Speaker 1: it tries to regain prominence in the well, try to

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Speaker 1: regain power, I should say, not when it's in the

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Speaker 1: House and the Senate. And Barack Obama is going to

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Speaker 1: play a very big role in all this. We had

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Speaker 1: eight years of Obama is m Now we've had a

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Speaker 1: hundred days of Trump is um and I think the

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Speaker 1: notion that Barack Obama will sit by as president George W.

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Speaker 1: Bush did out of respect for the next presidency for

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Speaker 1: Barack Obama. And also I will say I believe that

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Speaker 1: George W. Was was beaten down by the presidency. Um.

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Speaker 1: He he looked very different at the end of it.

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Speaker 1: He had been through a lot, and uh, he was

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Speaker 1: not the same not the same guy after eight years

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Speaker 1: of just the media. You know, we forget this now

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Speaker 1: because there was calling Trump such a racist and a liar.

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Speaker 1: The media called George W. Bush stupid just relentlessly, and

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Speaker 1: it was completely unfair and unmerited. Um. But it became

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Speaker 1: a comment that the easily lead and not very intelligent

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Speaker 1: people would here and go, oh, he's so stupid. Boo.

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Speaker 1: You know, George Bush is so stupid. Um. But that

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Speaker 1: was anyway. Uh, moving back to to obama Ism and

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Speaker 1: where we are now, There's gonna be a lot more

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Speaker 1: Obama in our in our near future, is what I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to get at. And you're going to see a

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Speaker 1: lot of Obama out there. He's going to have the

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Speaker 1: media at his at his uh, at his back, and

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Speaker 1: call that they will whenever Obama wants to give a speech,

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Speaker 1: it'll be a well covered speech. Whenever Obama has anything

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Speaker 1: to say, And right now we're being told that he's

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Speaker 1: trying to follow the George W. Bush model of not

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Speaker 1: criticizing your successor in the in the oval office. So

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Speaker 1: I guess presidencies aren't really it's not really successor. But

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, the follow on presidency, the

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Speaker 1: next presidency. Uh, I don't think that's going to last.

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Speaker 1: And it's quite clear to me why um he or

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Speaker 1: how that will change he said, or Josh Ernest, I

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Speaker 1: should say, his former spokesman in the White House as

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Speaker 1: a press secretary, came out and talked about, well, at

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Speaker 1: some point Obama may just have to really intervene against Trump,

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Speaker 1: you know, because I think what would motivate President Obama

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Speaker 1: to re engage in the political debate is if we

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Speaker 1: saw the federal government start to cross some clear red

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Speaker 1: lines in terms of long observed norms and values that frankly,

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Speaker 1: I think that we're starting to take for granted. So

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Speaker 1: what would those be. I would be fascinated to hear

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Speaker 1: what these long observed norms are of conduct that Trump

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Speaker 1: might violate that would force Obama to come down from

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Speaker 1: you know, Mount Olympus or whatever. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: Obama to to come down among the mere mortals and

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Speaker 1: let us know that he's still there watching Trump's every move.

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Speaker 1: You know, I just I don't understand how anybody, now,

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Speaker 1: anybody can see this going in any direction other than

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Speaker 1: Obama being a voice of the Democrat Party. That that's

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Speaker 1: what we're going to see. That's what will I think

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Speaker 1: almost certainly happen here for the for the foreseeable until

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Speaker 1: they have somebody who can really be central to the party.

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Speaker 1: So we were, We've managed to, I think, begin to

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Speaker 1: feel free of the Clinton The specter of Clinton is um,

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Speaker 1: but we will not be free anytime soon of Obama

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Speaker 1: is We've had a short respite here, a hiatus, but

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Speaker 1: Obama is going to be back and be very clearly

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Speaker 1: oppositional to Trump. That's my expectation here. UM got a

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Speaker 1: lot to already talk about tomorrow in mind, including some

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Speaker 1: details about Obama's Ran deal that I'm want to get

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Speaker 1: into in some detail with you, as well as everything

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Speaker 1: else that will be happening. Please download the podcast. Go

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