1 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: Maybe I was Sunny Bono. He died in this Yeah, 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 1: I think he died skin he dies all right into 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: a tree. Yeah? Oh fuck, yeah, he died silly. That's 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: not good. Oh oh no. The reason I remember that 5 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: is because Red Man turned it into a punch line 6 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 1: very soon after it happened, because you know, he's a 7 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: big we'd smoke. I hit more trees and Sunny Bono fu, 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: that's really me. Yeah, that's suing me. But also it's 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: a good bar. It's a good line, good for red men. 10 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: Chips in your racists money stuff. I can't tell me. 11 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: M m m. There is the ed is there is? 12 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another spectacular episode of My 13 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: Mama Told Me the podcast. But we dive deep, deep 14 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: into the world of black conspiracy theories, and we finally 15 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: work to prove that Ty Dollar Sign is the devil. 16 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: You can't trust the black man with eyes like a 17 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: rare yugiokard. They're too late, they're too light. There's no 18 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: reason for that giant black man to have them blue. 19 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 1: Evil wise, he's the devil, and I know it. Ty 20 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: dollar Sign, that money symbol can't fool me. You are evil. Sir, 21 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: h I am your hosts like Stan Kerman as always. 22 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: I'm excited to be here. My guest today. Oh, we 23 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: have a great guest today. He's he's hilarious, he's talented, 24 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: he's exceptional. We were just talking about how good he 25 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: is the fucking pad like a sound pad, and how 26 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: terrible I am. But that doesn't matter. You know him 27 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: from the New Negroes on Comedy Central or Wonderful Show. 28 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: You know him from his brand new album Anime Trauma 29 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: and Divorce. He's an exceptional artist. You're gonna love him. 30 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: Please give it up for my guest, Mr Open Mike Ego. 31 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: That was probably the best introduction I've had all all pandemic. 32 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: Hell yeah great. You mean when the period when no 33 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: one's introducing you to anything. I love that. Usually usually 34 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: the attempts are just they're just sad, you know, they're 35 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 1: just like, I don't even know if this is his 36 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: real name. I guess his name is Open. I'm excited 37 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: you're here, man, Let's let's get into it. Let's just 38 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: real quick. I saw your TV the other day on 39 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: the Boys and I love an audible Yale. Oh it's great. 40 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: They made me get buff for that role. And then 41 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: I just sat there and you and you really acting too. 42 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: It's great, man. I had to be a creepy dude 43 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: with muscles. It was nice. It's a fun time. But 44 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: we don't have time for that. We gotta get into 45 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: this goddamn conspiracy because you came to me with one 46 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: that I guess sort of connects even to the question 47 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: of a person acting on television. The conspiracy theory you 48 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: brought was my mama told me Hollywood has a gay agenda. Yeah, 49 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: talk to me about it. Tell me my mama didn't 50 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: tell me. But every barber I've ever had, I mean 51 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: Chicago to l a different shops, it don't matter. They 52 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: always believe that because they always have something on TV, 53 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: either the news or BT and and they are commenting 54 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: on what's happening. And once anything even like I won't 55 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: say slightly homosexual, was just like anything that's not a 56 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: traditional manly man Madrid. Yeah, hetero normative ship that's a 57 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: better word. Oh my god, thank you. Once anything slightly 58 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: less than hetero normative happens, then um, you know than 59 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: outcomes to you know, they only want to show us 60 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: in certain ways because you know, they tried to emasculate 61 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: the black man, and but two thousand years right. Yeah, 62 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: it's always and for our our listeners at home, who 63 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: have not yet been privy to the wisdom of a barber, 64 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: it is always rooted in this conspiracy that by making 65 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: black men gay or we are somehow undermining the black community, 66 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: that it is like the destruction of the nuclear family, 67 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: as it were, and and that gay images are intentionally 68 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: reflected back to us in order to make us more 69 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: gay over time. Is the other other part of the theory, guess, 70 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: So we become more gay and then subsequently and I 71 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: know this is always a part of it is and 72 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: it's not always a part that maybe is articulated. It's 73 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: that we become more gay and then we become weaker 74 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: because of that gay. Of course, it's it's all. It's 75 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: all very negative perspective. So it's very They very much 76 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: believe that hetero is the way to be sure, and 77 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: that anything else is a programming error and it needs 78 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: to be fought against. That's fair. Yeah, it's never like 79 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: a good thing. They're not like, you become more gay 80 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 1: and then your apartment is going to be real clean 81 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: and smell a little better. You know none of that. Yeah, 82 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: they don't. They don't see anything but what they consider 83 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: to be the dark side. You're gonna become more gay 84 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: and then you're gonna get some of those sweet abs 85 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: that all the gay men have. And that's pretty cool. 86 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: I hope you like it now. It's it's a fascinating 87 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 1: I think conversation almost like a checkpoint that every black 88 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: man goes through in their experience of like, you're gonna 89 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: have an older black dude at some point sell you 90 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: on this idea, and the question really becomes how bought 91 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 1: in do you do you want to be to the 92 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: premise that Hollywood is trying to make you gay? I 93 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: guess my question for you is how bought in were 94 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: you the first time you heard this? How much were 95 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: you believing this to be true? I mean, I've always 96 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: known a lot of gay people like and and I've 97 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: never um never been like judgementel or never thought that 98 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: it was somehow lesser than so this always sounded ridiculous 99 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: to me. And the other thing is, I mean I 100 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: feel like this conspiracy theory, like most of them, also 101 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: kind of reflects my brain wants to say education level, 102 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: but that's not it. It's it's more like how much information, 103 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: like real information, somebody has at hand or somebody has consumed. Yeah, 104 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: it's like it comes from a place of like, oh, 105 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: I don't really know what's going on, but I'm gonna 106 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: stay here in this barbershop and make shut up. And 107 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: then when people come in here saying some ship it 108 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: sounds interesting, I'm just gonna stick with that. But I'm 109 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: not gonna really read anything, and I'm not gonna go 110 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: have other experiences other places. I'm just gonna perpetuate this 111 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: ship because it sounds cool. It makes me feel smarter, Yeah, 112 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: I do. And to that point, some of it also 113 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: feels like a lack of control. Do you know what 114 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: I mean? That? Like you don't have control in certain 115 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: parts of your life because the government and poverty and 116 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: all the reasons why we often feel like we don't 117 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: have control. And so subsequently you go, well, where do 118 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: I have control? And part of that is just making 119 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: up your own truth. You go like, well, if I 120 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: can make this true, and if I can convince other 121 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: people that it's true, then I have a power that 122 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: I otherwise wouldn't have, because you know, I'm broke and 123 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: I don't know how to fix that, right, And and 124 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: it's yeah, you're right, because it's it's reflective of of 125 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: not understanding how systems work. You don't understand how systems work, 126 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: then it just looks as if everything is being puppeteered 127 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: by some force that's just right outside of your grasp. 128 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: And if somebody comes along saying something that checks the 129 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: box of explaining that somehow, but also aligns with any 130 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: other beliefs you have, Like if you happen to believe, uh, 131 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: somehow that that being gay is also bad, and also 132 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: you were told that these forces who you can't see 133 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: are pushing that on you, well, then that checks a 134 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: couple of boxes. And you know like, okay, yeah, that 135 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: makes sense. That's how the world works, you know, right, 136 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: And I think there are also those weird to your point, 137 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:48,479 Speaker 1: there are those weird affirming moments that make your ideas 138 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: feel at least somewhat valid, that then force you to 139 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: go even further down that tunnel of your belief right. Yeah, 140 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: I got a haircut, um right after uh it had 141 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: to be the week that Moonlight won that oscar. That 142 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: was a bad bad shop man, bad bad day. Because 143 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there and they're saying that ship and I'm 144 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: just like, Yo, that movie is amazing though, it's so good, 145 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: Like it's really good. And the whole time that I 146 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: saw the movie and I'm and I'm reveling and celebrating 147 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: and its accomplishments, I'm thinking, how awesome it is that 148 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: we have a black gay story with that sort of 149 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: representation and it's getting that sort of recognition. Yeah, And 150 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: I'm in the barbershop and they just think this is 151 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: the end of the world to them, you know what 152 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I know I have to believe they 153 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: were going down the train of like you know, they 154 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,719 Speaker 1: wasn't even supposed to win. They didn't even call out 155 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: their name, but somebody got in the earpiece and was like, no, 156 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: give it to the gay people, so we could make 157 00:09:55,240 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: the niggas gays like, oh, you know, it's wild. And 158 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: then I remember, and maybe you similarly have this memory. 159 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: I think my first sense of this quote unquote gay 160 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: agenda came out of like the conversation about black men 161 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: and dresses. That like, there was that whole theory that 162 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: anytime they put a black man on TV in address 163 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: it was sort of like a transition in his career, Uh, 164 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: Martin Lawrence, the you know, the Eddie Murphy's whoever. It 165 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: was that they stopped being connected with the black community 166 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: and we're suddenly now like Hollywood elites who were being 167 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: puppeted by the white man, right, and they were willing 168 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: to like they were basically showing they were willing to 169 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: do whatever it takes yes to be you know, to 170 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: be rich, to be positioned that way. And and and that 171 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: was a signal that they were willing to turn away from, 172 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: you know, the traditional idea of of black manhood in 173 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: order to do what the white man thinks it's funny, 174 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: which those people also think is by self detegration, you know, 175 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: making fun of yourself to that degree, right, And I 176 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: guess I wonder the question I have for you is 177 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: how much of that? Because I found myself, and this 178 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: is a better way of framing it, I found myself 179 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: even as a kid being like, I don't hate gay people. 180 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: I like gay people. I don't or certainly don't have 181 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: any you know, hard feelings in any direction about like 182 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: them based on the fact that they like kissing somebody 183 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: of the same sex. But I also don't want to 184 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: be a sellout. I don't want to be like a 185 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: person who, like my peers, would view that way. So yeah, 186 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: I'll never wear a dress, I'll never commit to any 187 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: of these homo erotic images so that nobody could ever 188 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: question my commitment to the black man and black community 189 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 1: and all that stuff. I think. Yeah, I think, and 190 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: and if you're getting at what I think you're getting that, 191 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: I do think there's that kernel of something that resonates 192 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: in that um about when you are a black man 193 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: entering the entertainment industry, you do feel, especially if you're 194 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: not doing you know, shows with black writers, black producers, 195 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: you know, black showrunners, you're on guard to make sure 196 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: that you're not being put in a position that's gonna 197 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: cost you your credibility. So like, even though you're not 198 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: bringing a homophobia to it or transphobia to it, you 199 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: do feel a certain sense of needing to protect your image, 200 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: and so you're kind of on the lookout for stuff 201 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: like that, right, Yeah, you're constantly sort of on edge 202 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: for this thing that, even though it's not coming from 203 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,559 Speaker 1: your own hatred, is coming from someone else's hatred and 204 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: yourself like trying to not articulate it, but it's coming 205 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: out either way. It's yeah, it's a fun up dance 206 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: that we find and that you know, And that's the thing. 207 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: You know, people argue against the idea of privilege, like 208 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: that's one of the perfect examples. It's not like privileged 209 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: means you automatically have it easier. Privileged means there's just 210 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: certain inner conversations you don't have to have. You get 211 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: to devote that brain power in brain space into something 212 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: else you don't have to worry about, like wearing the 213 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 1: whole weight of a culture shoulders every time you get 214 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: an opportunity like that sort of thing. I mean, it's 215 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: and that's you know, in some sense it is what 216 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: makes those artists who are able to escape that so groundbreaking. 217 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: But right like like young Thug wearing a fucking, you know, 218 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 1: beautiful gown on his album cover is a groundbreaking decision 219 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 1: no matter how you want to spin it. But then 220 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: the danger of that goes back to that same question 221 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: of like how much responsibility does he still have to 222 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: the community that then judges him or wants him to 223 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: do something different than the choices that he made. Yeah, 224 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you know what goes on in mainstream rap 225 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: now is really interesting on that level because you know, 226 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: ten fifteen years ago, I guess you just have to 227 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: say fifteen now, it was just unheard of for somebody 228 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: to be positioned or depicted in any way other than 229 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: just like the hardest to hard dude. I mean, in 230 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: the nineties you had rappers who were positioned to be 231 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: a little lighter like a mc hammer or fresh prints 232 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: like where they weren't super street. But then you know, 233 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: after like two thousands, it got so homogenized that everybody 234 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: was really leaning into that. And so if you look 235 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: at that versus now and how much room mainstream rappers 236 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: have to express themselves visually all these different ways, it's 237 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: really interesting. But it does feedback into that conversation. We're 238 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: like the dudes in the barbershop were like, wait a minute, 239 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: can I still like this? You know what I'm saying. Yeah, 240 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: it's it's I think they're asking themselves, can I still 241 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: like this? And the even scarier part is out loud, 242 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: they're definitively going nobody should like this. This is it's 243 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: and you know that's the old headship where they go like, Nope, 244 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: I don't funk with it. That's some new ship. That's 245 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: these young kids they are they're the product of the 246 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: gay agenda that sort of was already at play during 247 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: the the younger hip hop era or the older rather 248 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: hip hop era, and now you're just letting the gay 249 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: agenda live live out. It's you know, it's worse our 250 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: worst fears is living out in front of us through 251 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: an oozy, through a young thug, through a Frank Ocean 252 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: whoever the funk it is. That sort of is kind 253 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: of just being themselves or at least the Yeah, it's 254 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: just really but really reflecting, because the interesting thing is 255 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: to they're reflecting the street culture of now to like, 256 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: the street culture of now isn't super baggy pans and 257 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: big hoodies or even long white tease like it's like 258 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: fitted clothes and really expensive belts. Right, It's a it's 259 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: a different vibe in the streets now, and of course 260 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: you know mainstream map is going to reflect that too. 261 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: But then, you know, I do wonder for people who 262 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: believe that stuff, how do they bridge that? You know? 263 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: How do they bridge I guess, but I guess it 264 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: kind of leads into what you're saying, where like they 265 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: look at it, they look at the tight pants and 266 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, there you go, Agenda. Um. It's funny 267 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: too that you mentioned old heads because it makes me 268 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: think about Lord Jamar from Brand Nuby and who is 269 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: like the mascot. He's like the quintessential old head and 270 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: he's one of the main ones that are always using 271 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: their social media, using their their YouTube, you know, doing 272 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: dj vlad interviews, tearing down things that seemed to from 273 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: their perspective, come from that place. But lordam was on 274 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: odds M. If I'm not mistaken, Laura mars Entire, Penis 275 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,719 Speaker 1: was out when he was walking around to jail, and 276 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: it's like, if you wasn't part of the gag in, 277 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: how are you so sure that everybody else is now? 278 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: You don't think having your dick meat out on HBO 279 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: attempted If the presumption is that literally seeing dicks, seeing 280 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: anything that is homo erotic is going to tempt me 281 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: into homosexuality, you having your dick meat out had to 282 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: do something for me. It had to give me in 283 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: some direction and right. And on the same episode there's 284 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 1: you know, all sorts of stuff stepping, you know, with 285 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: with with men on men um touching, so you know 286 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: it's It's just it's always struck me as hilarious. He's 287 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: out there finger wagon against people doing the slightest bit 288 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: of you know, gender expression. He was on he was 289 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: on the gay Show on television as time, right, And 290 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: I will say there's a there's another layer of irony 291 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: in going on a lad TV to to complain about 292 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: the gay agenda when you're talking to a white dude 293 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: who is essentially like appropriating black culture and hip hop 294 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: culture for his own benefit, like you're complaining to in theory, 295 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: the oppressor while about his oppression about what you're seeing 296 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: as like something oppressive in your community, right, and using 297 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: his platform to do it when he don't give a 298 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: damn about what happens to none of us. Right, He's 299 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: not invested in the beef that Nick Cannon started. He's 300 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: just gonna get Nick Cannon to say whatever the funk 301 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: he can. M I. I guess one of the parts 302 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: that always fascinated me with this is I do a 303 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: hundred percent believe that there's I don't believe in any way, 304 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: shape or form that there isn't fact they quote unquote 305 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: gay agenda right, that we are by showing us gay 306 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: imagery or or homo erotic imagery we are somehow being 307 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 1: tempted towards becoming gay people. That's not how that works. 308 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: But I do wonder how much you believe about Hollywood 309 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: undermining black celebrities, Like how much of it do you 310 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: buy in in that way, even if it isn't rooted 311 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: in sort of like gayness, if you will, well, you know, 312 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: I tend to push back against that kind of argument 313 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: because I look at Hollywood for the most part, like 314 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: a giant conglomeration of different corporations, and at the end 315 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 1: of the day, they want to do what makes money. Uh, 316 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: you know, like if you're if you're Warner Brothers, Universal Parent, whatever, 317 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: whatever company, it is the end of the day, Like 318 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: if you're a higher high level executive, you're trying to 319 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 1: keep your job, You're trying to get your bonus, You're 320 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: trying to show that quarter earning, whatever it is that 321 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: has to happen. Like, are you really gonna take the 322 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: time out of your day to knock down an entertainer 323 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: or somebody who could be making your money just because 324 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: they're black, Like I don't, I don't, Like I think 325 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: in the past that definitely could have been the case 326 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: in some sense just out of like personal feelings that 327 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: people have about other other races and other cultures. But 328 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: it's like now, I just I can't see I can't 329 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: see them taking the time out. I can't see them 330 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: putting the energy into doing that kind of thing when 331 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, they're always trying to 332 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: do whatever it takes to to make one more, one 333 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: penny more than the next man. Yeah, I think to 334 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: your point, it probably it's very likely that there are 335 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: individuals in all industries who are like, I don't want 336 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: niggas reading around me. That makes me angry. I'm gonna 337 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: do everything I can to make sure that these motherfuckers 338 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: don't be reading. But in the grand theme of things, 339 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that the industry as a whole, like 340 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: had a meeting and a read on that. It just 341 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: means that one dude has a passion for making sure 342 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: black people don't read, and he's gonna do his best 343 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,239 Speaker 1: to work that out however he can, even if that 344 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: means putting a dude in a dress and then making 345 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: him not read. Effective, put that dress on, close that book, motherfucker. 346 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: We've got work to do, all right. We're gonna take 347 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: a break. We'll be back with more hoping Mike Eagle 348 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: and more. My mama told me, are you do you can? You? You? 349 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: You could? You want? You want him to do you 350 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: so much? You could do any Yeah, we're back here 351 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: were more open my giggle and more. My mama told 352 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: me who who does? Who did the intro? Oh? Is 353 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: this amazing? Dude. He's a comedian. He's an artist, much 354 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: like you. He has more talents than I care for. 355 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 1: I very angry at you, sort of like multi hyphen 356 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: it people. But his name is Nick Chambers. He's very funny, 357 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: very talented. I gotta, I gotta, yeah, I gotta, I 358 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: gotta find out more. Man that that intro is brilliant. 359 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: Oh thanks man, No, he's fucking he's the best. I 360 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: gave him like very little information. I was like, hey, 361 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: I need an intro song and here are five words 362 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: to include that he went crazy. So yeah, he's very dope. 363 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: Um and if you guys are listening, follow Nick Chambers. 364 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: Show him all the love because he's very talented. Anyway, 365 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,719 Speaker 1: funck Nick Chambers. We gotta get into this research, Nick Chambers, 366 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: get stuck, my dick. I got research to talk about 367 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: open my giggles. You're right, you're right, My bad, my bad, 368 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: all right. I really found myself sort of deep diving 369 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: into the history of gayness in television and just sort 370 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: of it's presentation. And one of the things that got 371 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: really interesting for me was the fact that and I 372 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: you know, you don't think about this stuff until you 373 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: actually have to research it, but the first appearance of 374 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: a homosexual person sort of openly homosexual, at least on television, 375 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: was in nineteen seventy three on the Mary Tyler Moore Show. 376 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 1: Did you know that? Did you know anything about? Nah? 377 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: And I'm trying to I guess I never really saw 378 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 1: a lot of that show. I considered myself a TV 379 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: head and I grew up watching tons of reruns and stuff. 380 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: But I think, um, I don't think I called but 381 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: a few episodes of Mary Tyler Morris. I'm not sure 382 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: which which character that was. I watched it a lot. 383 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: Nick and Knight was my ship for a while. And uh, yeah, 384 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,959 Speaker 1: I watched the Mary Tyler morrishow And apparently there was 385 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 1: a character in the show who was the brother of 386 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: one of her friends, who then tried to her friend 387 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 1: tried to set her up, set Mary up with this brother, 388 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: and then it became it was later revealed that the 389 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: brother was in fact gay and he was holding this 390 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 1: big secret. And so that was just the arc of 391 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: an episode. But over so over the course from nineteen 392 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: seventy to nineteen eighty, there were only twelve shows that 393 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: at any point introduced a gay character. So twelve in 394 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: an entire decade, right, And then here's where it gets 395 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 1: crazy because you compare that to two thousand ten to 396 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: two thousand twenty decade the odds? Is this the odds? What? 397 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: What do you call that? The I guess what people 398 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: call it the odds. I try to avoid talking about 399 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: it altogether, just because their names so stupid. But sure 400 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 1: you're making the right choice. But it goes from twelve shows, 401 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: uh in nineteen seventy two now in two thousand and ten, 402 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: a hundred and nine shows that include lgbt Q characters. 403 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: So there's clearly a progression happening here. There's an increase, Right, 404 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: What do you do with that? What do you do 405 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 1: with it? You celebrate? Right? Like? I mean, you know 406 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: what what you're hoping? Because I don't know that you know? 407 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: Of course I don't know what ratio or percentage that 408 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: is the total number of shows is made. But you 409 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: know you're wanting there to be in like a reflection 410 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: of the percentages in real life. You know, you wanted 411 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,479 Speaker 1: to be approaching that kind of level. And even if 412 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: it's more it's like, that's cool too, it's I don't know, 413 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 1: it's it's to me, that seems only like a good thing. 414 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: And it seems like the only reason that it wasn't 415 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: so much before was because everybody thought that that was 416 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 1: somehow a negative for everybody was trying to um avoid 417 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: dealing with that sort of issue when it's something is 418 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: real in life, and exactly I think those people, yeah, exactly, 419 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: those people should be represented. I think that's exactly right. 420 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: And you know, in in terms of the actual percentage. 421 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 1: I did some research on that. GLAD, which is the 422 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, does like this tracking 423 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: every year of the number of gay or lesbian, trans 424 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: queer people in broadcast television and uh this time this 425 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: in two thousand nineteen, of the eight hundred and seventy 426 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: nine regular characters expected to appear in broadcast scripted prime 427 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: time programming, ninety were identified as gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender 428 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: or queer. And so that's basically ten point two percent, 429 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: which is the highest percentage GLAD has found in the 430 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: fifteen years that it's been reporting all these numbers. Which 431 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: is it, Like you said, that's progress. Yeah, but I 432 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: guess then my next question would be what it is? 433 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: What is the reported percentage of you know, people who 434 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: identify as gay in society? Uh. And of course whatever 435 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: that number is, you'd have to up buy some percentage anyway, 436 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 1: because everybody's out. But well, I'm glad, I'm glad you're 437 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: saying that, because internationally, as it's reported, it's somewhere between 438 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: one point two to six point eight percent of the 439 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: population identifies l g B t Q. And to your point, 440 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: that doesn't account for the massive, massive amounts of people 441 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 1: that are not saying anything at fear of judgment, ridicule 442 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, I mean, especially if you when you're 443 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: expanding it globally. I mean, there's some cultures in which 444 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 1: it's it can still be lethal to be seen is 445 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: gay publicly. So there's no way anybody would ever um 446 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: answer that question honestly in some cultures. So yeah, you'd 447 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: have to, you'd have to increase that number, but some factor. Yeah, 448 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 1: it can't be one point to. There's no fucking way 449 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: that one point too of the popular Asian is gay 450 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 1: anywhere is gotta be more. And y'all got to make 451 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: peace with that Nigeria, get over yourself, Russia, and let 452 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: these people start kissing each other. Y Uh. One of 453 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: the more fascinating things that I sort of found in 454 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 1: some of the research. I don't know if you remember this, 455 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 1: but that New Beauty and the Beast came out three 456 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: years ago. There was a new Beauty and the Beast, 457 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: the live action quote unquote Beauty and the Beast, and 458 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: everybody lost their minds because one of the characters ended 459 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: up being gay by the end of the movie, The Lafou. 460 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: Do you remember who Lafu is? I don't. Was he 461 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: like a candlestick or something, remember now? But he was 462 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: the uh Gaston who's a big buff dude who hates 463 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: the Beast and hates that that old girl wants Beauty 464 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: wants to be with him. Uh. Lafu was his like sidekick, 465 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: his his main homie who like would run around and 466 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: sort of big up him at all times to be 467 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: like you are so buff Gaston. I love your Adams Apple, 468 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: oh that delicious Adams Apple. And everybody, he's clearly gay. 469 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: Your feelings for Gaston are clearly being expressed at all 470 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:18,239 Speaker 1: times and in everything that he does. And everybody got 471 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: upset that. Uh it turns out they actually made him 472 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: gay and didn't just like leave him with these feelings 473 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: smothered underneath. So who's upset? Who's Who's mad? Families? Who's mad? Christians? Yeah, 474 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: a lot of Christians. There was a drive in theater 475 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: in Alabama, Uh, the Hannager Theater that basically took to 476 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: Facebook to say, you can feel free to come watch 477 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: a wholesome, wholesome movies without worrying about sex, nudity, homosexuality, 478 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: and foul language. And uh, they refused to play The 479 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: New Beauty and the Beast, saying that that fell too 480 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: close to their rules of of engagement. You know what 481 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: I mean, implied beast reality. In the movie, there find 482 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: with perfectly okay for the lady to be with the 483 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: lion man. It's all good. Let that big ass cursed 484 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: yak stick is weird dick inside of this this beautiful 485 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: young girl. But don't you dare show them boys kissing 486 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: each other, be furious kursi yak. Yeah, it's it's a 487 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: weird dance that that, Like, I think people are constantly playing. 488 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: And to your point, it's this weird dance of almost 489 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 1: not allowing our imaginations to go Like it's a movie 490 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: literally about people's turning into two household objects. Would you 491 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: let your imagination go that far and then you you 492 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: cut it off at sexuality? That's absurd. I don't know, 493 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: it's so weird because what are you afraid of? You're 494 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: afraid of having to talk to your kids about it? Like, 495 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: what is what is the what is the concern here? 496 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: I mean, it's funny, it's like you said, yeah, like 497 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: so many other elements of this thing are completely fantastical, 498 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: you know, even the fact, you know, people just break 499 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: out in the song. Yeah, it's a weird world, you know, 500 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: and all of that. All of that's fine, but then 501 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: this this thing that you know happens that real human 502 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: beings have have feelings for people of the same gender 503 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: not allowed. I've never once been walking down the street 504 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: and a bitch just breaks out into rhyme, you know 505 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: what I mean, like just a full song. I've seen 506 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: some people freestyle, but not a full fucking three bar 507 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: you know, three stands a song, right, and strangers are 508 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: joining in, you know, went back and forth and reins 509 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: and all of that. No, it doesn't happen. It's not real. 510 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: So even if you are in fact homophobic, right, let's 511 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: say you truly don't believe that gay people should be 512 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: getting married or have happiness, whatever it is that helps 513 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: you sleep at night, the fact that you do that 514 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: in the middle of a fantasy, you should just be 515 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: able to say, like, well, this is fantasy, so it's 516 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: not real and therefore doesn't threaten me. But the fact 517 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: that you can't even dispel it in that just means 518 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:20,959 Speaker 1: this is rooted in real hatred and not Yeah, and 519 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: this actually brought me to what you were bringing up 520 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: earlier about the issue of OZ. Right. OZ came up 521 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: a lot in sort of this this fear of homophobia 522 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: or rather fear of queerness um. And part of it 523 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: that they sort of explained in the OZ scenario is 524 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: that they don't actually consider images like the ones you 525 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: see in shows like OZ or The Wire to be 526 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: part of the gay agenda because those men are not 527 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: consensually being a part of gayness or of queerness. Right 528 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: that because they're being raped, or because they're being there 529 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: in the closet, or because is there somehow treating gayness 530 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: is something you should be ashamed of. It isn't working 531 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 1: towards the gay agenda. I don't know. I don't know 532 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: how much wied and people watched Man because Omar wasn't 533 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: ashamed of nothing. Omar used to walk around with his 534 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: boot and do crimes. They used to do crimes together 535 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: and then go home and do what they do. They 536 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 1: was cool, that's fair. Nothing Omar was whistling. And it 537 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: wasn't just because he was murdering people because he got 538 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: some dick, right, yeah, he was. He was fully satisfied man. 539 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, he I don't you know that's that's that's 540 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: a weird kind of cognitive dissidence. They're talking about their man, 541 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: because I feel like that's one of the real brilliant 542 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: aspects of Omar's characters, specifically, is that he wasn't ashamed 543 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: of anything. And he was he was the scariest dude 544 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: on the block, but his lifestyle and how he lived 545 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: it was complete his business and and and something he 546 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: wasn't afraid to wear at all, even though you know, 547 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: he's in a situation where he knows that he's surrounded 548 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,720 Speaker 1: by homophobic people, he was choosing to live his life. 549 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: And and and to that point, you're hearing all of 550 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: like the the language around the way that they talked 551 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: about Omar right that like, you know, they're using derogatory 552 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: language when referring to him, right, But their argument, I guess, 553 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 1: at its essences like that that derogatory language protects us 554 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: from the cell of of homosexuality, when in fact, to 555 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: your larger point, that's not the big takeaway of the 556 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: of the Wire. You're not supposed to watch it and 557 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: go you know what, Stringer Bell was right, he was 558 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: really nailing it. Oh man, Yeah, Marlowe speaks for us. 559 00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, that's not the thing. And so I mean, 560 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,399 Speaker 1: why can't these people just say that's a really good 561 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: show and it's and it's got gay stuff in it, 562 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,879 Speaker 1: and that's okay, you know what I'm saying, It's all 563 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 1: it's all this thing. What they're trying to do is 564 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,879 Speaker 1: make excuses for shows that they think are good. They 565 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: can they can keep watching the show that they think 566 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: is good, and they can have you know, reasons that 567 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 1: they hide away with to make it okay, to excuse 568 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 1: it for him. But it's so strange you have to 569 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: jump through all those hoops to engage with a television 570 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: show where where something really, I mean in OZ is 571 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: is weird Because in OZ it was a lot of 572 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: non consensual Uh it was almost it was used as 573 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: a weapon in a way to dominate people in a 574 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: lot of senses, and I think they're worth some genuine 575 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 1: relationships in that setting too, but it was also weaponized 576 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: and was and it was also it was using a 577 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: lot of different contexts than just you know, normal sexual behavior. 578 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: But you know, I think, I think specifically the way 579 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: they did that in a wire was was was beautiful 580 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 1: because even even in the presentation of it as a 581 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: real life thing that just happened to be a part 582 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: of this guy's character, they also didn't go the step 583 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 1: of making a huge deal about it like it was 584 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: some triumphant thing that they were doing. They just presented 585 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 1: it as normal. Just like there's heterosexual sex scenes in 586 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 1: that show. There's homosexual sex scenes in that show, and 587 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: they were both kind of like treated equally, and neither 588 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 1: were trumpeted as some grand accomplishment. It was just showing 589 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 1: you life in this scenario, and sexiest part of life. 590 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: If anything, I would say that the heterosexual relationships were 591 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: more toxic than even like the ones that Omar had, Like, 592 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: if nothing else, his relationships were almost the healthiest part 593 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: of him. And then you know his his choice is 594 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 1: beyond that although fucking coolest ship probably weren't necessarily as admirable. True. 595 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: One of the things that that really got me excited, 596 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: probably in the wrong ways, but I I couldn't help 597 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 1: but enjoy was I ended up down a YouTube tunnel 598 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 1: of like all the like hotep conspiracy theories. Oh here 599 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: we go. It's fun. It's a fun time, probably not 600 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: in a way that it's supposed to be. But one 601 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,320 Speaker 1: of the things that basically a lot of people argue 602 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: is that there's no way into Hollywood, there's no way 603 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 1: into real success in Hollywood without committing to sell your soul, 604 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: uh through some version of homosexuality. M hm hm. And 605 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,919 Speaker 1: I think that's if I'm understanding correctly, then that's also 606 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 1: kind of points back to the dress thing, right, like 607 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,360 Speaker 1: that you make you choose the dress, and you have 608 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: to choose a dress or else you won't have a career. Yes, yeah, 609 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: I mean and okay, and and this is I'm gonna 610 00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 1: tell you this gets harry for me because when you 611 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 1: asked me this question earlier, what my mind went was 612 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: to how at the end of the day, all the 613 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: corporations just want to make money, right, so, and that 614 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: it kind of filters out some of the conspiracy bs 615 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: for me. But I do think there is also a 616 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: long documented history of like people in Hollywood doing nasty 617 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: stuff behind the scenes, and that also the nastiness of 618 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 1: that also gets into hiring and casting choices, and and 619 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,760 Speaker 1: that in many ways has interfered with the money making 620 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: on that level. To that point, I think, I think 621 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: what we're seeing is that humans are horny as fuck, 622 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 1: right that like, despite it being heterosexual, homosexual, whatever is 623 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,919 Speaker 1: in between, it's just a du being Like I'm trying 624 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: to see something and I'm gonna make this this. You know, 625 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 1: I've got enough money to make this person with talent 626 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 1: show me there's something for my benefit. So, yes, the 627 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: nastiness as exists, but is that rooted in like a 628 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,840 Speaker 1: want to undermine a community. Probably not. It's just a 629 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: do being a yucky person, it is it is and 630 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 1: and and it's not to undermine a community, but it 631 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 1: is in a way systemic, but it's systemic in in 632 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,360 Speaker 1: the same way as its systemic, and government in the 633 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 1: same way as systemic, and like megachurches, like wherever there's 634 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,839 Speaker 1: cult of personality, there's people using their position to take 635 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: advantage of other people. And you know, in the entertainment industry, 636 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:40,359 Speaker 1: there's just a long, nasty history of it. And I 637 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 1: think that if you look at the occurrences of disgusting 638 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: things there and ways that people's lives have been ruined, 639 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: it's easy to also conflate that with something something along 640 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,600 Speaker 1: the lines of the hotel philosophies, where you know where 641 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 1: you you got to choose to go gay or else. 642 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,839 Speaker 1: And in some in some situations where there are some 643 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 1: casting directors or some managers or some agents that are 644 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 1: gay or omni or whatever, they do use their position 645 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,320 Speaker 1: to make sure that they have that sort of access 646 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,279 Speaker 1: to their clients, and they put those clients in the 647 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 1: best positions. But that's not like a contractual thing. I'm saying, 648 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: when you're right, when you when you ink a six 649 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 1: picture deal where there's a clause, you know what I'm saying, 650 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 1: it's not that thing. You didn't sign this in Booty Blood. 651 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 1: This is just h This is just the thing that 652 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,520 Speaker 1: happened to come up. And so you decide whether or 653 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 1: not you're gonna continue and be a part of it 654 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 1: or not. And that's okay in either direction. I will say, 655 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,880 Speaker 1: my absolute favorite suggestion that I saw in one of 656 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,360 Speaker 1: these videos was there was one dude who claimed that 657 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,720 Speaker 1: the reason Chadwick Boseman died was because of his unwillingness 658 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:02,319 Speaker 1: to continue his commitment in the gay agenda, that like 659 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 1: Hollywood had him murdered for not wanting to be gay again. Wow. Oh, 660 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 1: that reminds me. This is how I really. At one point, 661 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,319 Speaker 1: I thought I made it because there was a very 662 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,840 Speaker 1: old hotel on YouTube who made this whole video about 663 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: how Comedy Central was making this show called the New 664 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,759 Speaker 1: Negro and it was and it was it was to 665 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:34,440 Speaker 1: amass further emasculate black Oh. I thought, Oh, man, I 666 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:39,200 Speaker 1: thought we had a ride and that was the whole video. 667 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:44,480 Speaker 1: That was the whole video. He saw an advertisement for 668 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 1: our show and could not wait to hop in front 669 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,719 Speaker 1: of his computer and talk about how they were doing 670 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,720 Speaker 1: it again man, And so was the suggestion that y'all 671 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 1: were gay? What was that? What Paul his His wasn't gay, 672 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 1: It was just about it. It would be more along 673 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 1: the lines of the emasculation by like wearing a dress 674 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: or like we were cool, you know, like that that 675 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 1: direction for Comedy Central exactly, and that we are somehow 676 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:15,600 Speaker 1: we were somehow tools viacom trying to subjugate our own 677 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:20,799 Speaker 1: community on behalf of them. That's wild. Did you did 678 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,719 Speaker 1: you ever have a part of you that wanted to respond? 679 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,160 Speaker 1: Did you right under under the comments? Did you do anything? Man? 680 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,840 Speaker 1: But I I showed Barren, and I wanted to show 681 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 1: everybody like I wanted to like really run with it 682 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 1: on YouTube. But I also I think once I saw 683 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 1: that though, it also kind of gave me pause to 684 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,279 Speaker 1: like it was a situation that caused me to look 685 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 1: at what I was doing from a different perspective quickly. Yeah, 686 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,640 Speaker 1: like oh people could really think that, yeah, I'm saying 687 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 1: like and so that was that was interesting too, like 688 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 1: to be inside of it and to know exactly what 689 00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,880 Speaker 1: it is, um, but then to all so see something 690 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,439 Speaker 1: that makes me look at the title of our own 691 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:08,400 Speaker 1: show like oh, oh dang, Like I wonder if other 692 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:13,160 Speaker 1: people are, well, that's that you're bringing up something really 693 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 1: fascinating that that I think is sometimes hard to articulate. 694 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,200 Speaker 1: But but maybe this will be a great entrance, is 695 00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,320 Speaker 1: that I don't think there's a way to exist in 696 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 1: Hollywood without being a coon at some point? Do you 697 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,839 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like for somebody, that doesn't mean 698 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,400 Speaker 1: that you are in fact a quote unquote coon. It 699 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,560 Speaker 1: doesn't even mean that. I think we have a an 700 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,360 Speaker 1: objective definition of what that actually is. But there's it 701 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,879 Speaker 1: almost is a certainty that somebody's gonna be like, man, 702 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,919 Speaker 1: he's a sellout. He don't believe in black people. Look, 703 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,719 Speaker 1: he could have done it this way or that way, 704 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,799 Speaker 1: and it's like, nah, I gotta show and I put 705 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 1: black people on. I don't understand, Like, at what point 706 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:56,080 Speaker 1: did this become you know, uh, detrimental to to my 707 00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,840 Speaker 1: own community? Well, you know, I think I think the 708 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:03,719 Speaker 1: stark realization for me and for Baron was um was 709 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 1: the realization that the problem is you you don't get 710 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,040 Speaker 1: to have the conversation with everybody who has those thoughts. 711 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,359 Speaker 1: Like they see a title, they see an ad, they 712 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,880 Speaker 1: may watch the show, they may not ever watch the show, 713 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,400 Speaker 1: but their thoughts are going to form based on the 714 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 1: information they're presented and whatever kind of person they are already, 715 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 1: and you don't get to explain to them the power 716 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,960 Speaker 1: that we had that we're executive producers, that we got 717 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,920 Speaker 1: to have, you know, as many black people as we 718 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,960 Speaker 1: could find to work on the show, to be on 719 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,840 Speaker 1: the show, and everything that it meant to us to 720 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,279 Speaker 1: do it, and the ways we went about that. We 721 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,759 Speaker 1: don't get to actually open that part of it up 722 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,520 Speaker 1: for people. And so in some ways, like you're saying, 723 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,680 Speaker 1: you can't control what people take it wrong with because 724 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,400 Speaker 1: you don't. You don't get a chance to sit with 725 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,319 Speaker 1: them and tell them what really happened. There's nothing you 726 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,439 Speaker 1: can do that can into me that that lady Flow 727 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,000 Speaker 1: from Progressive ain't an asshole, I think you know what 728 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,320 Speaker 1: I mean. Like to me, that is an asshole the 729 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 1: human being. She's a piece of ship. I'll never forgive 730 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,200 Speaker 1: her but what she's done. But the reality is Flow 731 00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,480 Speaker 1: as a real person who might have real say in 732 00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,759 Speaker 1: the way that these ads are being shaped, and like 733 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,800 Speaker 1: the messaging and being able to creep, you know, add 734 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,359 Speaker 1: humor to a thing that otherwise might have been just 735 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,160 Speaker 1: a straight ad read and that's an unfair judgment that's 736 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 1: being placed on her much in the way that you 737 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 1: guys are dealing with And so I apologize Flow, but 738 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:39,799 Speaker 1: fuck you. At the same time. All right, we're gonna 739 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,800 Speaker 1: take more, more break. We'll be back with more open 740 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:54,560 Speaker 1: Mike Eagle and more. My mama told me, and we 741 00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:00,560 Speaker 1: are back. If you want to reach the kids on 742 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,680 Speaker 1: the street, and you gotta do a rep, do a 743 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,200 Speaker 1: hip hop beat. So I gave my swimming an urban kick. 744 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,479 Speaker 1: My rhymes are flying, my beat is sick. My crew 745 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:14,640 Speaker 1: is big, and it keeps getting bigger. That's because Jesus Christ. Yeah, 746 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:19,919 Speaker 1: we're back here with more Mikey more. No, no, no, 747 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:24,040 Speaker 1: what was that? Who was who was that? I don't know. 748 00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,240 Speaker 1: It's just a man I saw on YouTube spitting bars 749 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:34,400 Speaker 1: open say, oh my God, of course he said it. 750 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:41,600 Speaker 1: He's not a He's not a coward. Jesus Christ. I 751 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,600 Speaker 1: think it was genuinely meant to be like a tutorial 752 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,279 Speaker 1: or like a thing to get young people involved in 753 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,640 Speaker 1: the church. And boy did it go wrong. But I've 754 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,480 Speaker 1: had fun with it. I love dropping it wherever I can. 755 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:04,080 Speaker 1: I thought the show was going real well. Now hurt well, 756 00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,520 Speaker 1: it's only gonna get worse because now we're gonna play 757 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,600 Speaker 1: a game. This is I'm gonna play a game with you. 758 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,520 Speaker 1: This is a very fun game that I like to 759 00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:15,879 Speaker 1: call white lies ugly. You're disgusting. I'm gonna kill you. 760 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,080 Speaker 1: Give me two white lies. This is a fun game 761 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,520 Speaker 1: where I am going to present to you a conspiracy 762 00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,560 Speaker 1: theory mostly supported in the white community. And what I 763 00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,960 Speaker 1: would love for you to do is to really unpack 764 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,759 Speaker 1: it and figure out why you think white people are 765 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,799 Speaker 1: so invested in this conspiracy thing. What do they Yes, 766 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,239 Speaker 1: it's great. Tell me what these sneaky motherfucker's are up to? Do? 767 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,680 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Alright, so the the conspiracy theory. 768 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,480 Speaker 1: I don't know how much you track Qua nine, I 769 00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:53,440 Speaker 1: don't know if you're okay. Beautiful is hious. There's some 770 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,520 Speaker 1: of the funniest people on the Internet, and they don't 771 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,840 Speaker 1: get enough credit for being hilarious. But one of the 772 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,280 Speaker 1: things that Q and on me bers have started to 773 00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:05,760 Speaker 1: sort of believe and maintain and circulate is that JFK Jr. 774 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,520 Speaker 1: Or he still alive and uh for some reason, is 775 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,560 Speaker 1: now a Trump supporter who is going to be showing 776 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,719 Speaker 1: up at his rallies or events now that he no 777 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,400 Speaker 1: longer is president. My question for you, why do you 778 00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,360 Speaker 1: think it's so important for these white people to believe 779 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:27,880 Speaker 1: that JFK Jr. Is still alive? Oh man? Because they 780 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:32,280 Speaker 1: they really want to believe that the tables have turned 781 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,760 Speaker 1: to where you know, a lot of these people probably 782 00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:40,480 Speaker 1: used to be Democrats, um, And they really want to 783 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,520 Speaker 1: believe that the the left and the Democrats have become 784 00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,839 Speaker 1: evil and they eat babies and they throw children out 785 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,440 Speaker 1: a window. Um. They really want to believe that. And 786 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,080 Speaker 1: and one of the things going to help them believe 787 00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,440 Speaker 1: it is if somebody who they used to love, who 788 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,759 Speaker 1: was part of you know, uh, the last probably democratic 789 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:04,880 Speaker 1: gimee that they really respected, somebody on that side sees 790 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,839 Speaker 1: it all clearly and it's gonna tell on everybody. And 791 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,120 Speaker 1: they're waiting like that's gonna be their savior. That's what's 792 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,520 Speaker 1: gonna make everything makes sense for them. In their head. 793 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,960 Speaker 1: It already exists, so that's what has made it makes 794 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,239 Speaker 1: sense for them, But they need JFK Jr. Help it 795 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:24,920 Speaker 1: make sense for all of us. That's that's that's very astute. 796 00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,920 Speaker 1: I had. Okay, that makes a lot of sense to me. 797 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,839 Speaker 1: So it means that JFK Jr. Is sort of like 798 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,640 Speaker 1: the last semblance of like a truth that they do 799 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,120 Speaker 1: believe about Democrats and about sort of like what Democrats 800 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,600 Speaker 1: used to represent. It's like how Republicans still bring up 801 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,319 Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln as a way of like justifying all the 802 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,360 Speaker 1: evil that they've done since, because it's like, no, remember, 803 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,960 Speaker 1: our boy freed the slave. So so we're still good. 804 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,000 Speaker 1: We're still we still the good guys, no matter what. 805 00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,919 Speaker 1: It's no, it's it's a little more complicated than that place. Boy. Yeah, 806 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:00,759 Speaker 1: he freed the slaves. I don't even know if he 807 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,120 Speaker 1: wanted to. And that's a different and that was many 808 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:10,040 Speaker 1: hundreds of years ago, right, it wasn't recent. Yeah, but 809 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,120 Speaker 1: I love that. So they're sitting here going if JFK Jr. 810 00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,600 Speaker 1: Is still alive, then he'll come back and he'll show 811 00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,279 Speaker 1: the Democrats what's what and what they should have been 812 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,360 Speaker 1: and what they could have been. I think we did it. 813 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,839 Speaker 1: I think we nailed the episode. What a great time. Uh. 814 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,440 Speaker 1: Could you tell the people where where they can find 815 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,719 Speaker 1: you on the internet? Cool ship you've got going on? Whatever? Yeah, man, 816 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:32,520 Speaker 1: just put out the album like you said anime A 817 00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:36,480 Speaker 1: Trauma Divorce, which is out everywhere music is legal. I 818 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,680 Speaker 1: have a podcast network called Stony Gotland Audio and there's 819 00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,360 Speaker 1: a bunch of shows that we have on there that 820 00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,759 Speaker 1: are mostly from the hip hop perspective. What else and 821 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,680 Speaker 1: and that's really it. And I'm always on Twitter Mike 822 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,640 Speaker 1: underscore Ego, letting people know all of the ship did 823 00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,040 Speaker 1: I get up to and my weird thoughts about what's 824 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,520 Speaker 1: happening in the world. Fuck yeah, And as always, you 825 00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,719 Speaker 1: can follow me at Lankstein Kerman and follow you know, 826 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,480 Speaker 1: can subscribe on the podcast. And if you have drop 827 00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,319 Speaker 1: ideas or if you have conspiracy theories or art or 828 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,080 Speaker 1: whatever it is that you like to send, please send 829 00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,920 Speaker 1: it to my Mama pod at gmail dot com. We 830 00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,839 Speaker 1: would love to see your ship. And uh yeah, this 831 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:26,160 Speaker 1: has been amazing. Open Mike Eagle, everybody, okay by my 832 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:40,600 Speaker 1: crop chips in your hands us racists, money stuff, I 833 00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:41,359 Speaker 1: can't tell me