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Speaker 1: to Dan Patrick Show. After the recent success of Tiger Woods,
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning versus Phil Nicholson and Tom Brady, the PGA
Speaker 1: is trying something new at the Charles Schwab Invitational this weekend.
Speaker 1: They're gonna mic up the golfers try to expand their
Speaker 1: access to competitors for the first tournament back. This will
Speaker 1: be on CBS and you're gonna have some banter here
Speaker 1: back and forth. Golfs trying to shed the buttoned up
Speaker 1: image that it's had for decades. They took a big
Speaker 1: step forward when Tiger arrived on the scene. Remember the
Speaker 1: famous fist pump. You weren't allowed to show or you
Speaker 1: weren't supposed to show emotion. Remember when Tom Watson chips
Speaker 1: in on the seventeenth hole at Pebble Beach where he
Speaker 1: goes on to win the US Open, and he's so
Speaker 1: excited and then he has to compartmentalize, he has to go,
Speaker 1: then he stops, and then you have to have that
Speaker 1: decorum there. It's a gentleman's sport here playing golf, but
Speaker 1: hard to add too much hype to a sport that
Speaker 1: demands absolute silence in the middle of a swing, and
Speaker 1: if you're a golf fan probably just happy to see
Speaker 1: the players back. I don't know how it's going to sound.
Speaker 1: Jim Nance is going to be in the eighteenth Tower
Speaker 1: by himself, Nick Fouldo, who's going to be the analyst
Speaker 1: for the telecast, He's going to be in Orlando at
Speaker 1: the Golf Channel studios there. But if you're looking for
Speaker 1: big picture, trying something new could be a positive step
Speaker 1: towards making golf a little more enjoyable and reach a
Speaker 1: wider audience. I just don't know miking up the players
Speaker 1: how much I mean, there's familiarity. I just don't know
Speaker 1: how much talking is involved or there will be, because
Speaker 1: these guys aren't really competing with the guy next to
Speaker 1: them at their you know, in there twosome, they're competing
Speaker 1: with themselves to post a great number. Now, if this
Speaker 1: is Sunday, late afternoon, I don't know how much smack
Speaker 1: talk they're going to be. We had that with the
Speaker 1: reason why it worked with Tiger and Phil was because
Speaker 1: it was Peyton and Brady. Those were the guys that
Speaker 1: were doing the talking. Tiger didn't say much, he had
Speaker 1: a couple of lines in there. Phil gave us a tutorial,
Speaker 1: gave us a lesson on just about every shot. But
Speaker 1: Peyton's one of the great trash talkers. And then Brady
Speaker 1: started to make some shots. Now it was interesting. Yeah. See,
Speaker 1: but I hate admitting this because I'm supposed to be
Speaker 1: an adult. But remember when you had all those videos
Speaker 1: of Tiger farting and it was awesome, It's so hilarious.
Speaker 1: That was David Ferrity who had his fart machine and
Speaker 1: he was behind Tiger and he had a relationship or
Speaker 1: has a relationship with Tiger where he could do it
Speaker 1: and he would crack up Tiger. Yeah, so I'm all
Speaker 1: about that content. I don't know if you can do
Speaker 1: that now, but infarity's not on the course anymore. Yeah, Paul,
Speaker 1: But do you think with the golf and being miked up,
Speaker 1: they'll pause at certain points when a players going from
Speaker 1: one t to the next and say can we get
Speaker 1: a minute with you? And they'll do a little little
Speaker 1: chat and they'll be benign. And then also I would
Speaker 1: assume that someone from the PGA Tour will be there
Speaker 1: almost like a filter to make sure that nothing offensive
Speaker 1: gets through, and they go, like the NFL does. I
Speaker 1: don't know if we get to listen to everything or
Speaker 1: they're just going to pick and choose and say, oh,
Speaker 1: we had this exchange last hole, and then they'll bring
Speaker 1: back a little clip there and go okay. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's really going to add to anything here
Speaker 1: with the PGA Tour. Yes, we love I saw the
Speaker 1: report of some of the names they might make up.
Speaker 1: It might be Ricky Aller and Graham McDowell. I don't
Speaker 1: that's not going to get me anywhere I need. Does
Speaker 1: that have to be the right player? Well, I want
Speaker 1: to know if there's an exchange there. I want to
Speaker 1: know if you know, when Phil and Tiger did had
Speaker 1: their first match, it wasn't interesting because they didn't really
Speaker 1: have much to say, and then they clammed up on
Speaker 1: the final you know, five or six holes and wasn't
Speaker 1: entertaining at all. This time around, they realized we got
Speaker 1: to get more involved. And then yet Peyton Manning and
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, that's what made it enjoyable. But I I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't sit here and go I can't wait to
Speaker 1: hear this guy. Kevin Kisner miked up. I'm just throw
Speaker 1: out a name there. Yeah, see you know who I
Speaker 1: saw his playing this weekend. Remember Maverick McNeely. Yeah, didn't
Speaker 1: he'd come to the Pebble Beach set. Yeah, we met
Speaker 1: him in Pebble Beach. Yeah, great name. Yeah. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a strong name. That's a movie name. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: I don't know. Golf's coming back, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: by the way, I don't think people realize this event.
Speaker 1: I think starts tomorrow at Colonial, the Charles Schwab Invitational. There,
Speaker 1: Tiger's not playing in this, is he? I don't think
Speaker 1: so He's not what the top five players are in sixteen,
Speaker 1: The top twenty. That's like they're calling. They're putting out
Speaker 1: a wait, is Tiger not a top five player? I
Speaker 1: guess not. He's not. H Yeah, he's probably didn't play
Speaker 1: enough tournaments, you know PGA rankings. I'll double check, all right,
Speaker 1: pull question. I don't know what we had in the
Speaker 1: first town. All over the map. In the first town,
Speaker 1: it was he over under baseball game seventy four point
Speaker 1: five set by our guy Max in Vegas, seventy two percent.
Speaker 1: Say I will go under that number. Yeah, I'm going over.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna go at seventy five or more
Speaker 1: for Major League Baseball when they come back. I'm optimistic.
Speaker 1: I'm not Danny Downer today. I'm optimistic. Let's see, we
Speaker 1: talked about Will Chamberlain's greatness. For some reason, I dove
Speaker 1: into the record books last night. I was bored and
Speaker 1: I started looking at stats. I looked at keep Merivitch's stats, Oscars,
Speaker 1: Cherry West, Bill Russell, Will Chamberlain, and then I brought
Speaker 1: it in this morning and I just thought, you know what,
Speaker 1: people look at stats, and we use stats, you know,
Speaker 1: in accordance to how it strengthens or weakens your argument,
Speaker 1: and you know, I was looking at Will Chamberlain and
Speaker 1: we don't embrace his numbers, but we embrace Babe Bruce numbers.
Speaker 1: And I don't know why, but we do. Will was
Speaker 1: never embraceable Babe Ruth Womanizer, drinking party in. But he
Speaker 1: was a great baseball player. Plus we didn't get see
Speaker 1: him on TV or people back then. It was on radio.
Speaker 1: You became larger than life. Will was larger than life,
Speaker 1: but that wasn't good enough for people. And he didn't
Speaker 1: win enough, and that may you know, we embrace Allen
Speaker 1: Iverson more than Will Chamberlain. We liked the little guy,
Speaker 1: the guy that you could identify with. That's why we
Speaker 1: love Steph Curry. We love Steve Man. Look at those
Speaker 1: little guys out there, it's the big guy like Shack. Come.
Speaker 1: You don't win more. You need to make free throws, Okay,
Speaker 1: Like we only look at certain guys in their free
Speaker 1: throw percentages. Will Chamberlain didn't shoot well for the line.
Speaker 1: Bill Russell didn't shoot well for the line. Shack didn't
Speaker 1: shoot well for the line. We tend to pick and
Speaker 1: choose what's important when it comes to and I said
Speaker 1: that there's gonna be ten or fifteen years down the road,
Speaker 1: where you might not have Larry Bird, Will Chamberlain still
Speaker 1: in the top ten greatest players of all time? Is
Speaker 1: Karl Malone in the top ten? I think he's on
Speaker 1: the outside. He's always in that eleven through twenty ring. Okay,
Speaker 1: because Steph Curry is going to move up the list.
Speaker 1: Let's say they make another run, and why wouldn't they.
Speaker 1: You get the number one overall pick. You get everybody
Speaker 1: else healthy if he adds one more title or two
Speaker 1: more titles. Steph Curry widely recognized the greatest player, shooter
Speaker 1: of all time, greatest shooter of all time. He's gonna
Speaker 1: go in and somebody's got to drop out here. Kobe
Speaker 1: should be higher on these lists. In my opinion, you
Speaker 1: should be higher on these lists. Yeah. See, it's kind
Speaker 1: of like we were talking about, I don't know recently
Speaker 1: with Steph where the game was different after he entered
Speaker 1: the league. He changed the game. Yes, you have to
Speaker 1: be if you're somebody who changed the game, you have
Speaker 1: to be high on that list. Well, you would think,
Speaker 1: and I have no problem with that. It's not you know,
Speaker 1: people have recency bias. I don't have recency anti bias.
Speaker 1: I don't go, well, wow, that guy's a great shooter.
Speaker 1: But if he played back in the seventies or sixth
Speaker 1: at no, And I don't do it the other way around. Well,
Speaker 1: he couldn't play in today, but he could play back
Speaker 1: in the sixties and seventies. I just know, in your era,
Speaker 1: in your generation, how did you do and Steph Curry
Speaker 1: changed the game? You want to put him in there
Speaker 1: greatest shooter of all time. I don't think you have
Speaker 1: anybody arguing that. And if he has championships, which is
Speaker 1: really important, you got championships. How is history going to
Speaker 1: treat Russell Westbrook? How's history gonna treat James Harden? How's
Speaker 1: history gonna treat the Greek Freak? What if the Greek
Speaker 1: Freak doesn't have any titles? What if he ends up
Speaker 1: with three titles? Like Lebron wins one more? Lebron is
Speaker 1: top five already. But you start to look at these lists,
Speaker 1: Magic will go down a little bit. But he shouldn't
Speaker 1: because of the number of titles that he won. Larry
Speaker 1: was at a three year window where four year window
Speaker 1: he was the best player in the game, winning you know,
Speaker 1: three MVPs. You know they he has three NBA championships,
Speaker 1: But I don't know, it feels like that out of sight,
Speaker 1: out of mind here that people are going to forget
Speaker 1: the greatness that a lot of these players displayed on
Speaker 1: a night in, night out basis. Yeah, Poe Steph Curry
Speaker 1: might need a second act or after this injury to
Speaker 1: cement himself as a top ten player because his first
Speaker 1: four years in the league he did not make the
Speaker 1: All Star team. He had ankle injuries and missed some
Speaker 1: games here and there, but then he had a six
Speaker 1: year run where he was the most probably the most
Speaker 1: entertaining player in the sport, captivating player, maybe not the best,
Speaker 1: but the most captivating. And now he's onto this back
Speaker 1: half of his career. But he just broke his left hand,
Speaker 1: not even his shooting hand, I believe. And they're gonna
Speaker 1: have play and they're gonna have Draymond, and you're gonna
Speaker 1: have a number one pick. They're they're going to be,
Speaker 1: you know, a force to be reckoned with again. Yeah.
Speaker 1: McLevin STEP's gout injury issues always has. I mean, well,
Speaker 1: when he first came in, he had the ankle issue
Speaker 1: and then they almost traded him. I mean the year
Speaker 1: they lost to Lebron and the Calves. He missed two series, right,
Speaker 1: I mean he slipped and hurt his knee. That was
Speaker 1: that was a big deal. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: if this series would have gone differently, but he always
Speaker 1: feels brittle, right, like he's gonna get hurt again, is
Speaker 1: it he? That's why I was like, glad, he's not
Speaker 1: coming back. Well, no he came back. No, I don't
Speaker 1: think he did, did he? He came out? He came
Speaker 1: back at the end. Yeah, he played four games left hand.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what abody? So it wasn't even a Lake, No,
Speaker 1: it was Klay Thompson with the Lake. And as we
Speaker 1: finally found out Duran's not coming back now, people were
Speaker 1: holding out hope a saying yeah I'm hearing and I
Speaker 1: I said, now he's not coming back? Mean not John
Speaker 1: and North Carolina, Hey John, what do you have for
Speaker 1: me today? Hey? Dann five nine, two fifty. Um, My
Speaker 1: thing about my thing about Will Chamblin is uh. We
Speaker 1: consider that three year period were shot with with Kobe
Speaker 1: at won three straight title shot to be not even
Speaker 1: arguably the most dominant big band in the NBA at
Speaker 1: that time, but we don't give the same credit to
Speaker 1: Will Chamberlin with being the it being the greatest basketball
Speaker 1: player during that doing his And I'm not understand the
Speaker 1: I don't understand why it's not clicking with some people
Speaker 1: as for why his blackness has to be diminished just
Speaker 1: because Bill Russell won. Well, that's that's the label that
Speaker 1: he has. And thank you John. That sounds like John
Speaker 1: Thompson a lot. But he said he was five nine,
Speaker 1: So if he said he was six to eleven, I'd go, oh,
Speaker 1: it's the former Georgetown head coach. Yeah, it's It's just
Speaker 1: I think Wilt's been forgotten. If Oscar didn't average a
Speaker 1: triple double and win one championship, then we might forget Oscar.
Speaker 1: Oscar every year it was averaging twenty seven and ten
Speaker 1: twenty seven points. Tennisis good for good field goal percentage,
Speaker 1: good free throw shooter. But if you don't have that gimmick.
Speaker 1: The only reason why people bring up Oscar is and
Speaker 1: they never saw him play, is way average a triple double.
Speaker 1: And that was every anytime somebody said Oscar Robertson, they
Speaker 1: go only average triple double. Bill Russell. He won eleven titles,
Speaker 1: like everybody it feels like has a designation. Wilt never
Speaker 1: never won the big One. He couldn't win the big one.
Speaker 1: He won the winner. He was a loser. He quit
Speaker 1: on his team. You know, Wilt has this shack. They
Speaker 1: should have won more at the Lakers. I think there's
Speaker 1: always something there with these players. Tim Duncan, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he had a hall of famers around him. Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame coach, David Robinson, Hall of Famer, Genoble, Hall of Famer,
Speaker 1: Tony Parker hall of Famer, Like everybody has. Karl Malone.
Speaker 1: He never won the Big One, never won championship. Barkley
Speaker 1: never won championship. Jerry west the only one one. He
Speaker 1: lost all those NBA finals. Everybody has one like description
Speaker 1: that's attached to them. And that's what happened. That's happened
Speaker 1: for decades now. And then Russell Westbrook averaged the triple
Speaker 1: double a couple of times, and then we went, yeah,
Speaker 1: but anybody could average a dribble like it became. We
Speaker 1: diminished that when he said, no, I can do that.
Speaker 1: But back then when shooting percentages were worse, where you
Speaker 1: could get more rebounds, Now you might say it was
Speaker 1: harder to get assist and Oscar played on a bad team.
Speaker 1: But Russell Westbrook basically turned that stat on his ear.
Speaker 1: Triple double man, No big deal. How many times you
Speaker 1: want me to do it here? But I tend to
Speaker 1: stand up for Wilt, even though he told me to
Speaker 1: get the bleep off the Laker bus in my one
Speaker 1: encounter with him back in the early seventies, and he
Speaker 1: was right, I should have gotten off the bleeping bus
Speaker 1: because who am I had gone the bus? I was
Speaker 1: not an employee of the Lakers back then. I was
Speaker 1: probably twelve years old, and I wanted an autograph from
Speaker 1: Will Chambers. Oh my god. We were just standing outside
Speaker 1: of the Lakers bus in Cincinnati and Will sat in
Speaker 1: the first seat, and my friends were like, you should
Speaker 1: go on there, you should, you should go up there
Speaker 1: and get his autograp And I thought, well, the Royals
Speaker 1: are moving out of town. I'll never see Will to again,
Speaker 1: at least I in my mind, I was not going
Speaker 1: to see him. I thought, you know what, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna walk on the I took two steps, and he
Speaker 1: stood up and said, get the bleep off the bus.
Speaker 1: So he has to duck because he's so too. He
Speaker 1: stands up and I went, oh, my god. So he's
Speaker 1: already I'm on the second step. So he's already like
Speaker 1: seven seven to me the way and here I am
Speaker 1: probably five ten, and I excuse you, we could I
Speaker 1: have your autographed, mister Chamberlain. And he stood up and
Speaker 1: get the f off the bus. And then I got off.
Speaker 1: And then my friends go, what did he say? What
Speaker 1: did he say? And I said, he told me to
Speaker 1: get the f off the bus. Oh that's awesome, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: I'm shaken. Yeah, Paul, have you guys ever had a
Speaker 1: really good or really bad autograph experience, like in your
Speaker 1: first twenty years when you ask for autographs? Well, that
Speaker 1: one was, but has anyone else had when we're like,
Speaker 1: oh that that messed me up? Or wow, that guy
Speaker 1: came through, that athlete came through and did it. I
Speaker 1: didn't expect it. I remember hating Willie Mays for decades
Speaker 1: just because I was in Scottsdale at a spring training
Speaker 1: game and I yelled out to him as he's coming
Speaker 1: in in between innings to sign my program and he didn't.
Speaker 1: And I was probably like six years old, and I
Speaker 1: held that against William Mays all of these years and
Speaker 1: it wasn't his fault. He's playing a game. I'm going, hey, well,
Speaker 1: so I'm like, you know, and he didn't know. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I hate Willie Mays, I love Hank Aaron. All right,
Speaker 1: we'll take a break. We'll talk to some basketball here.
Speaker 1: Howard Beck, friend of the show, is going to join
Speaker 1: us coming up. Been a while since we've talked to him.
Speaker 1: He wrote a great article and this is a this
Speaker 1: is a long one. It's called Bryant to Shack. Two days,
Speaker 1: two decades after one of the wildest turning points in
Speaker 1: NBA history, Lakers Blazers recall the lob that ty Kobe
Speaker 1: and Shack together forever sparked a three pete and up
Speaker 1: ended a powerhouse. This is a long, long, great detail
Speaker 1: in here, too, great detail. Talk to all you, almost
Speaker 1: all the principles in there. So we'll talk some basketball
Speaker 1: with Howard Beck and Bob Costas will join us coming
Speaker 1: up in an hour. For now, we'll get to more
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Speaker 1: the quote? All right? Well, it's hopefully you all don't
Speaker 1: know this because that would really take the sting out
Speaker 1: of the game show. But someone recently said this, I
Speaker 1: know what I'm worth and I know day in and
Speaker 1: day out, without publicly coming in and saying it that
Speaker 1: historically I'm one of the best quarterbacks to play the game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know who it is. Yeah, Pa, Based on that
Speaker 1: quote and the state of this person's career, it doesn't
Speaker 1: sound like he would say it, but it could have
Speaker 1: been Dak Prescott. No, it's a backup quarterback. His name
Speaker 1: is I know what I'm worth and I know day
Speaker 1: in and day out. Without publicly coming in and saying
Speaker 1: it that historically I'm one of the best quarterbacks to
Speaker 1: play the game is an he publicly saying it. Saying
Speaker 1: it now, Karl, say hello to Jamis Winston. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: was trying to be nice to him and not bring
Speaker 1: it up on the show today, but you brought it
Speaker 1: up and guessed that quote. But Jamis Winston, historically it's
Speaker 1: one of the great quarterbacks of all time. Although it's
Speaker 1: mc lovin says, you know, the number of yards he
Speaker 1: through for is one of the top ten in NFL history. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's gotta be yeah. Great. Howard Beck joins us on
Speaker 1: loan from Bleacher Reports senior NBA Rider his most recent column,
Speaker 1: Bryant to Shack, two decades after one of the wildest
Speaker 1: turning points in NBA history, Lakers Blazer's Royalty recall the
Speaker 1: lob that tied Kobe and Shack together forever, sparked a
Speaker 1: three pete and up ended a powerhouse. Good morning, Howard,
Speaker 1: When did you decide to do Bryant to Shack? Good
Speaker 1: morning Dan, And let me just humbly say that without
Speaker 1: saying it publicly, I think this is one of the
Speaker 1: greatest oral histories I've ever written. Well done, So you know,
Speaker 1: obviously I covered that series for the LA Daily News
Speaker 1: back in the day, and it was just always one
Speaker 1: of my favorite games, one of my favorite moments that lob,
Speaker 1: and one of my favorite series. And it's also just
Speaker 1: this wonderful sliding doors moment because of course they were
Speaker 1: down fifteen in the fourth quarter of that game and
Speaker 1: probably arguably should have lost, and if they had, there
Speaker 1: is no dynasty and the Blazers probably win the championship,
Speaker 1: and history is much different. And I've wanted to return
Speaker 1: to this for a long time. I almost did it
Speaker 1: four years ago. In fact, your upcoming guest Bob Costas
Speaker 1: and I spoke four years ago when I first started
Speaker 1: poking around to do something on this. It got shelved
Speaker 1: at the time. We revived it more recently, unfortunately for
Speaker 1: two reasons, the twentyth anniversary of that game and also
Speaker 1: of course the passing of Kobe in January. Favorite interview
Speaker 1: with this was who well I got five players from
Speaker 1: each team, plus Mike Dunlevy, senior Phil Jackson and I
Speaker 1: emailed a little bit, but that was it. I got
Speaker 1: a lot of great voices. I think out of all
Speaker 1: of them, you know, Bonzi was really great. Bonsi was
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Bonzi Wells was one of these
Speaker 1: guys who back in the day I think had kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, this this jaded view of him, the reputation
Speaker 1: because of those Blazers teams at the time that he
Speaker 1: was looked at his kind of a young knucklehead and
Speaker 1: you know, part of that crew that was often derided
Speaker 1: as the jail Blazers, which I think is a terrible,
Speaker 1: unfortunate term. That's that still unfortunately lives. M Bonzi was wonderful.
Speaker 1: He just he could tell you all of the the
Speaker 1: pain and anguish of being part of that collapse, but
Speaker 1: in a way that that history and time has given
Speaker 1: him the perspective of it. He was candid, he was
Speaker 1: fun to talk to. He told me this great thing
Speaker 1: that did not make the piece, which I just want
Speaker 1: to throw in real quick. He said that before Game seven,
Speaker 1: which one was on a Sunday. That night, a Saturday night,
Speaker 1: he says, I went to bed at ten o'clock. I
Speaker 1: went to bed at ten o'clock on a Saturday night
Speaker 1: in La because I knew I had to deal with Kobe,
Speaker 1: and I knew that Kobe Bryant wasn't going to be
Speaker 1: out partying on a Saturday night. And so the only
Speaker 1: person on earth who could make me go to bed
Speaker 1: at ten o'clock on a Saturday night in La was Kobe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you look back on that era, and I remember saying
Speaker 1: it when when they broke up, that we'll remember what
Speaker 1: they didn't accomplish, and not necessarily what they did accomplish.
Speaker 1: Do you know what the real core of the reason
Speaker 1: was that Shack and Kobe broke up. It was Layer Dan.
Speaker 1: I mean, the easy reductive version is, well, Kobe didn't
Speaker 1: want him there anymore, and Kobe had all the leverage
Speaker 1: in the world because he was entering free agency, and
Speaker 1: if Shaq had stayed, Kobe could have walked across the
Speaker 1: hallway to the Clippers, which he had flirted with doing
Speaker 1: all season, and in fact had sent very strong signals,
Speaker 1: including to Mike Dunlevy, you know, who was at that
Speaker 1: time the coach of the Clippers, and I think GM
Speaker 1: as well. So there was there was that, and that's
Speaker 1: not to be diminished, but there were other factors. Shack
Speaker 1: wanted a MAX extension, which at that time, remember Shack's
Speaker 1: salary had been grandfathered in before there were maxes in
Speaker 1: the NBA. There was no max salary when he got
Speaker 1: his big deal to join the Lakers in the first place.
Speaker 1: So they were constantly building on this huge salary that
Speaker 1: was bigger than anybody else's and he was getting up
Speaker 1: there in just you know, years and mileage. He of course,
Speaker 1: had had some serious injuries, or at least nagging injuries,
Speaker 1: so Jerry Bust didn't want to give him the extension
Speaker 1: to the extent that Shack wanted it. So Shack had
Speaker 1: been pouting all year about that, and so that was
Speaker 1: a big part of it too, Dan. But yeah, listen
Speaker 1: at the core of it. You could see it in
Speaker 1: the two thousand and four finals against Detroit, Kobe and
Speaker 1: Shack wanted nothing to do with each other. By that point,
Speaker 1: they had already They hadn't been split up technically, but
Speaker 1: they were already done. Talking to Howard Beck, Bleacher Reports,
Speaker 1: senior NBA writer, the column and it's a it's a
Speaker 1: deep dive. It's great. There's so much detail here and
Speaker 1: talking to the principles involved in this. Bryant to Shack.
Speaker 1: It's on Bleacher Report. I was talking about Will Chamberlain's
Speaker 1: place in history, and it feels like we don't embrace
Speaker 1: him the way we do Babe Ruth. There's certain guys
Speaker 1: that we pick and choose of what we point out
Speaker 1: or what we leave out. You know, Bill Russell was
Speaker 1: a flawed offensive player, shot forty four percent from the floor,
Speaker 1: wasn't a good free throw shooter, but he won eleven titles.
Speaker 1: You know, Kobe won five. But he can't be Michael
Speaker 1: So you know, how high do you put him up there? Like?
Speaker 1: It's weird how we pick and choose. Tim Duncan, Hey,
Speaker 1: he's the greatest power forward of all time. He's a center,
Speaker 1: but he wanted to be a power for I just
Speaker 1: don't know in ten or fifteen years from now, who
Speaker 1: is in the top ten now that won't be in
Speaker 1: the top ten greatest players of all time. Who's going
Speaker 1: to fall out and who's going in In your opinion,
Speaker 1: Oh boy, I guess it depends on who's in your
Speaker 1: top ten right now. It's it's you know. And by
Speaker 1: the way, like for me, every time I've ever asked this,
Speaker 1: I always punch. And it's not because I'm trying to
Speaker 1: be cowardly or squeamish. It's just comparing players and teams
Speaker 1: across the eras in the NBA, maybe more than any
Speaker 1: other sport, it's just impossible. The game has evolved so much,
Speaker 1: has changed so many dramatic ways, the style of play,
Speaker 1: the pace of play, um, you know, even even the
Speaker 1: you know obviously the width of the key, like everything changes,
Speaker 1: and so it's hard to make these comparisons, Dan, And
Speaker 1: you know, you were alluding to it earlier before I
Speaker 1: came on about the narratives or the the taglines that
Speaker 1: we affixed each of these guys, and I think they're
Speaker 1: appropriate because it's it's our shorthand way of encapsulating what
Speaker 1: they meant right, What Bill Russell meant was he was
Speaker 1: the ultimate champion. We don't get into the stats and
Speaker 1: the nitty gritty, and we don't have as much data
Speaker 1: for that era. Anyway, it stands on its own. He
Speaker 1: was the greatest champion of all time. Wilt, the most
Speaker 1: dominant of all time, and it doesn't matter how many
Speaker 1: championships he won. Um. You know, Michael Jordan's just simply
Speaker 1: the goat and Lebron is trying to challenge him for that,
Speaker 1: and some people think it's a one two race and
Speaker 1: others say, no, you're forgetting Kareem who was the real
Speaker 1: greatest of all time? You know it. You can go
Speaker 1: round and round on this. I mean Kevin Durant. You asked,
Speaker 1: who's gonna break in? Kevin Durant's not already in. I
Speaker 1: think he should be. Yeah, I left him out, So
Speaker 1: you got staff who's going to be in. Durant's gonna
Speaker 1: be in, And I guess I gotta make way for
Speaker 1: the Greek freak to maybe be a top ten player
Speaker 1: of all time if he watched titles if yeah, he
Speaker 1: I'll stop short on that one, only because he's still
Speaker 1: so early in his career. You can see the outline
Speaker 1: of one of the all time greats and skill set
Speaker 1: wise and impact on the game over the last couple
Speaker 1: of years, you can already say that that's that he's there.
Speaker 1: But longevity matters too, right, You're the imprint you make
Speaker 1: needs to last at least kind of a half decade
Speaker 1: to a decade. So let's let's wait until we've seen
Speaker 1: the longevity and how far he can take it all.
Speaker 1: But yeah, just the sheer dominants on the court, you
Speaker 1: could put his skill set, his total package of skills
Speaker 1: up against anybody. How do you think history treats James Harden.
Speaker 1: That's a that's a really really interesting one. And this
Speaker 1: is a big h you know, as weird as this
Speaker 1: postseason is going to be in the Orlando bubble, it's
Speaker 1: a really important one for him because he's going to
Speaker 1: turn thirty one, I think this summer maybe during the bubble,
Speaker 1: and you know, he's got all the accolades, all the
Speaker 1: individual accomplishments. He is one of the greatest scorers of
Speaker 1: all time. But you know this is when we start
Speaker 1: really you know, picking somebody apart. Well, he was one
Speaker 1: of the greatest scores we've ever seen, but the aesthetics
Speaker 1: of his game weren't that appealing to a lot of people.
Speaker 1: He was one of the greatest scores of all time,
Speaker 1: but he never made the finals. He never won a ring.
Speaker 1: And so he's got that, you know, hanging over him
Speaker 1: right now. And if he never wins the Big One. Look,
Speaker 1: there's a plenty of that. We have a large list
Speaker 1: of guys, a long list of guys. You know, Charles
Speaker 1: Barkley and Crome Malone and John Stockton, who you know,
Speaker 1: Patrick Ewing, guys who we know are all time greats
Speaker 1: who never won the Big One. It happens. There is
Speaker 1: some elements of luck and timing and supporting cast and
Speaker 1: all these other things. But Harden has the added difficulty
Speaker 1: in this discussion of his own performance is what has
Speaker 1: often held his teams back in the postseason. So he
Speaker 1: does have that burden. But do you think does history
Speaker 1: look favorably more so on Russell Westbrook or James Harden.
Speaker 1: I think history that will look better on James Harden
Speaker 1: the Russell Westbrook. And look, you know, my bias in
Speaker 1: this discussion is that of the two of them, I've
Speaker 1: always thought James Harden was the better overall offensive weapon.
Speaker 1: Let's face it, neither one of them is going to
Speaker 1: be ever be known for their defense. They're both great
Speaker 1: playmakers in different ways, and Westbrook had the gaudier stats
Speaker 1: if you want to count just the triple doubles, which
Speaker 1: I think have become a little exaggerated in terms of importance.
Speaker 1: As impressive as it is, Harden is far, far, far
Speaker 1: more efficient. He is miles better from three point range
Speaker 1: and just overall more efficient. Whether you're using true shooting
Speaker 1: percentage or effective field goal percentage or any other measure,
Speaker 1: Harden is the more efficient player. Let me go back
Speaker 1: to your column before I touch on the NBA's plan
Speaker 1: to return. Where do you rank Shack and Kobe of
Speaker 1: greatest duos in NBA history? That's tough, I mean, don't.
Speaker 1: I don't want to use my backdoor out here as
Speaker 1: I did earlier, because I already pulled that call. Give
Speaker 1: me your best duos of all time. You don't have
Speaker 1: to rank so all right? No, Well, look, the one
Speaker 1: that leaps to mind immediately is Michael and Scottie. They
Speaker 1: were just the versatility, the two way impact of the
Speaker 1: two of them offensively and defensively. They were just phenomenal.
Speaker 1: Those teams were beautiful to watch. It was great that
Speaker 1: we got the last dance recently because whether you were
Speaker 1: you know, in our age range and had lived through it,
Speaker 1: watched it as as fans um and just got the refresher,
Speaker 1: or if you were younger fans who never saw them,
Speaker 1: they just played an incredible brand of basketball. Obviously, Magic
Speaker 1: and Kareem are right up there. Shack and Kobe are
Speaker 1: in the discussion, there's no question and Shack. The way
Speaker 1: Shack always puts it and I think did again in
Speaker 1: my story, is that they're the best, uh you know,
Speaker 1: big man guard combo of all time. Would you put them?
Speaker 1: Because I wouldn't. It's it's tough. Um. Kareem has more
Speaker 1: overall accomplishments than Shack. Um, you might leave Kobe over Magic,
Speaker 1: although Magic's playmaking and maybe the greatest point guard of
Speaker 1: all time. You're generally speaking, you know, generally considered that
Speaker 1: it's it's tough. I don't know. I think if you
Speaker 1: ask Laker fans that it would be completely breaking along
Speaker 1: generational lines. Probably, So we have an idea a Loser's Tournament,
Speaker 1: the eight teams that don't get invited to Orlando. Why
Speaker 1: not allow them to be you know, you have a
Speaker 1: warm up band when you go see you know, the
Speaker 1: Rolling Stones. So you have a warm up act where
Speaker 1: you have the eight teams playing, and they played over
Speaker 1: three games, and then the winner of the tournament gets
Speaker 1: the number one pick in the draft, single elimination, number
Speaker 1: one pick in the draft, and it's a loser's tournament.
Speaker 1: We eliminate tanking here for good, Howard. So this is
Speaker 1: not just for twenty twenty. This is in perpetuity. Well,
Speaker 1: let's start this year and then see how it works.
Speaker 1: You know, I think I love the idea, and I
Speaker 1: love anything that incentivizes the worst teams to actually try.
Speaker 1: Here comes the butt, come on, give me the bunt here,
Speaker 1: But not this year, because the whole point of the
Speaker 1: exercise in Orlando is safety. And so the reason we're
Speaker 1: going twenty two and not thirty, and frankly I think
Speaker 1: it should have been sixteen is that more bodies, more
Speaker 1: teams equals more risk, more tests, more everything. So if
Speaker 1: you now take the other eight and put them in
Speaker 1: their own bubbles somewhere and have the loser's tournament, you've
Speaker 1: got to deal with all the coronavirus concerns all over again.
Speaker 1: There's my buzz kill buzz I'm sorry. The team to
Speaker 1: beat when this tournament starts is the Lakers. They have Lebron,
Speaker 1: They were the team with the most momentum going into
Speaker 1: the suspension of the season. They had just beaten the
Speaker 1: Bucks and Clippers over that that prior weekend. And you know,
Speaker 1: I picked the Clippers back in October, Dan, and I
Speaker 1: still feel like top to bottom, the Clippers have the
Speaker 1: overall better depth collection of talent, and they've got an
Speaker 1: element in Lou Williams that the Lakers just don't have.
Speaker 1: They both have a top two, but the Clippers have
Speaker 1: a third guy who can drop twenty five and a
Speaker 1: give an night. The Lakers just don't. And so I
Speaker 1: still lean that way intellectually. But the Lakers have the momentum. Now,
Speaker 1: does momentum get you from March eleventh through this massive
Speaker 1: gap to July thirty first, Probably not, But they deserve
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt. Your wild card team to
Speaker 1: win it all. Oh, I don't think there's a wild
Speaker 1: card in the West. It's either the Lakers of the Clippers,
Speaker 1: the Rockets. You don't think see I looked at the
Speaker 1: Rockets and said, if they happen to capture magic in
Speaker 1: a bottle here with their small ball, then I then
Speaker 1: they're the team that I would be they I would
Speaker 1: look at them as the outlier here in the West.
Speaker 1: They're fun for that reason because they've just got the
Speaker 1: firepower is amazing. And yes, maybe if things break their
Speaker 1: way a couple of calls. Plus there's no home court
Speaker 1: advantage and we don't know what anybody's going to look
Speaker 1: like when they come back, or what kind of chemistry
Speaker 1: or rhythm anybody is in. I still think they really
Speaker 1: too much on individual talent. James Harden's gonna score this time,
Speaker 1: Russell West was going to score this time. There's no
Speaker 1: real laborative effort there, and that's what breaks down in
Speaker 1: the playoffs. If you were a superb individual talent, but
Speaker 1: the rest of the cast is not involved, there's so
Speaker 1: much isolation play. I think that's where it breaks down
Speaker 1: for the Rockets. Um, I think the sleepers are in
Speaker 1: the East. If the Bucks are going in as everybody's
Speaker 1: you know, kind of agreed upon favorite, and they should be,
Speaker 1: Toronto's really strong even without Kawhi. They were They've They've
Speaker 1: had a phenomenal season. I love the Celtics young talent
Speaker 1: and the way they were coming together. I don't I
Speaker 1: wouldn't put it out of the possibility to pick one, Howard,
Speaker 1: you get one, come on, Okay, it's Toronto. Then okay,
Speaker 1: they're the defending champs, so that's that feels cheap. But
Speaker 1: they're defending champs without the MVP of the finals. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I liked Boston. I guess Philadelphia are Are they an
Speaker 1: outlier here? I think Philly is in the East what
Speaker 1: the Rockets are in the West. Like a lot of
Speaker 1: question marks. But the talent is there, and now that
Speaker 1: they've had all this time for Simmons and MBI to
Speaker 1: get healthy, there's a shot. He's Howard bleacher Reports senior
Speaker 1: NBA rider and it's a great read. You don't have
Speaker 1: to be a Laker fan. If you're a Blazer fan,
Speaker 1: you're not going to enjoy this. But it's called Bryant
Speaker 1: to Shack and it's on Bleacher Report. Howard. Great to
Speaker 1: talk to you again. Are you going to Orlando? I'm
Speaker 1: still weighing that right now. I'm not going to go
Speaker 1: in for the bubble because that requires that long lockdown
Speaker 1: and wait. Too much time away and very little payoff
Speaker 1: in terms of access. I'm weighing whether to go just
Speaker 1: for the finals, but that would probably be it. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: good to talk to you. Thank you, Howard, appreciate you. Dan,
Speaker 1: thank you. We'll take a break back after this with
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Speaker 1: Last night I proved that once again, no good deed
Speaker 1: goes unpunished. Went golf with my wife and she's just
Speaker 1: starting out and got her clubs, callaway, got her some clubs,
Speaker 1: and I said, all right, hey, take a couple of lessons,
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Speaker 1: that can't be done with the missus. Well, she was
Speaker 1: putting and she was a little aggressive, a little strong
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Speaker 1: was just making it like an analogy here, like you know, longshoreman,
Speaker 1: they're strong. And then you were hitting it too far.
Speaker 1: Well I don't I don't understand that. And I go,
Speaker 1: what happens if you say nothing? Uh? Now you have
Speaker 1: to say oh wow almost and she'd miss it like
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Speaker 1: on a good line, so I just was picking my
Speaker 1: spots and uh, she's picked up the golf bug here.
Speaker 1: She's fun to have. She's a great conversationalist. But I
Speaker 1: felt like I had to keep acknowledging how she was playing.
Speaker 1: And at one point I joked and I said, hey,
Speaker 1: it'd be nice if you complimented me, and she goes,
Speaker 1: aren't you supposed to be good? And I said yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, she was in this serious competitive mode
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, never mind, never mind. Oh
Speaker 1: you look great tonight. Hungh. Yeah. See, is your wife
Speaker 1: very competitive? No, not at all in any sport other
Speaker 1: than like running a marathon or things a triathlon, things
Speaker 1: that I would never compete in. And then that's why
Speaker 1: it kind of surprised me that she got real competitive.
Speaker 1: You're talking to my backswing? Oh sorry, honey. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: don't play a lot of tennis, play a little as
Speaker 1: a kid. I never really got into it. My sister
Speaker 1: is really good now, lady. She didn't play it when
Speaker 1: she was a kid. About a year ago, I played
Speaker 1: just you know, tennis with my sister. She's drastically better
Speaker 1: than I am. And she let me know, she enjoyed
Speaker 1: torturing me. I don't know if I think that's okay
Speaker 1: with brother and sister. Yeah, husband and wife. No, it's not.
Speaker 1: Now like even I had the yellow of callaway ball
Speaker 1: and she wanted to know why I had yellow and
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Speaker 1: mean that I'm not as I said, No, no, it's
Speaker 1: just I'll take the orange one, you have the yellow one.
Speaker 1: Like gott to pick and choose, pick your spots there.
Speaker 1: I was just trying to make sure I'm saying all
Speaker 1: the right things. Father's Day coming up, though, Uh, let
Speaker 1: me see a couple of fun calls. Zach in Florida. Hizach,
Speaker 1: what do you have for me today? Hey? Dan, how
Speaker 1: are we doing good? Yeah? So, I just really am
Speaker 1: disappointed with this whole Kobe Bryant not being in the
Speaker 1: top ten. A couple of months ago, you guys had
Speaker 1: a pull with the top seventy five and it wasn't
Speaker 1: in the top ten. I'm speaking as a twenty three
Speaker 1: year old lifelong Lakers fan, of course, so my view
Speaker 1: might be a little obscured. But no, he should he's
Speaker 1: a top ten player. Well he is. Absolutely, he's a
Speaker 1: top ten player. That's what I'm trying to say, Dan,
Speaker 1: I saw, I saw Kobe take the Lakers and oh, eight,
Speaker 1: nine and ten. Now those are the ones I remember.
Speaker 1: I don't remember the earlier three peat, but I saw
Speaker 1: Kobe after he lost to the Celtics go in, whoop
Speaker 1: the Orlando Magic in five games. Kobe was not playing around. No,
Speaker 1: I'm right there with you, Zach, and thanks for the
Speaker 1: phone call. Yeah, if not for Michael, we'd be looking
Speaker 1: at Kobe completely different than we do. It was just
Speaker 1: Mike came before him, and when we saw Kobe, it
Speaker 1: was always yeah, but we've already seen this with Michael.
Speaker 1: Not fair to Kobe, but Kobe is a top ten
Speaker 1: player of all time. Absolutely absolutely. Jeremy and Texas joints. Hey,
Speaker 1: Jeremy morning, guys, that I'll do him good. First thing,
Speaker 1: with everybody coming back, with COVID and all the fans
Speaker 1: coming back, it's gonna be very important that they know
Speaker 1: their section, ro own seat. But we need to make
Speaker 1: sure everybody knows that all right. And two is yeah,
Speaker 1: we're talking about labels. You know, what about Kawhi Leonard
Speaker 1: and Lebron James. You know if either one of them
Speaker 1: win this year, They're gonna be the first NBA player
Speaker 1: to win three championships on three different teams. And so
Speaker 1: that's a good label to put on one of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Kawhi is always going to get the label of
Speaker 1: and thanks for Colin Jeremy that well load management. And
Speaker 1: you know, he came through in the finals with Toronto,
Speaker 1: came up big there and Antonio had some help there,
Speaker 1: but look he still put up when you needed him too.
Speaker 1: And if he wins with the Clippers, Yeah, but the
Speaker 1: load management is going to be Kawai's label. It will Well,
Speaker 1: when we look back, we'll go, oh, then, yeah he
Speaker 1: started load management. By then we might go man load
Speaker 1: management's really smart. Yeah. McLellan doesn't personality and visibility play
Speaker 1: into this, Like Kawai never does interview, So he's gonna
Speaker 1: fall because Tim Duncan didn't do an interview. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: and I'm wondering, like I think he's gonna file the
Speaker 1: top ten two. I don't think we're gonna remember Tim
Speaker 1: Duncan as well. We might not, but it feels like
Speaker 1: because he won five titles, nobody can tell you probably
Speaker 1: a signature played with Tim Duncan when your nickname is
Speaker 1: the Big Fundamental. You're just not screaming out highlights there,
Speaker 1: just saying Dominy Quilkins was the human highlight. That's different
Speaker 1: than Tim Duncan. He was the antithesis of that. He's
Speaker 1: the big Fundamental, the human low light. But he was
Speaker 1: a great player. Great, Yeah, I'm the club. Well, you're right.
Speaker 1: He shock has the biggest personality and he's only ten
Speaker 1: on these lists, so it's not You're right. Personality isn't everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: pulling Tim Duncan. Everyone in grease his greatness. He always
Speaker 1: averages like, you know, twenty four and eleven in his
Speaker 1: entire career. This is so Tim Duncan. He never led
Speaker 1: the league in any statistical category, not any he was
Speaker 1: always good in all of them, like you know, assists even,
Speaker 1: he was a good assist guy. He's a good block
Speaker 1: shot block shots. Yeah, not one category. The big Fundamental.
Speaker 1: I mean, your nickname is fundy. Just hey, come on out, hey, kids,
Speaker 1: let's go out and see the Big Fundamental tonight. Let's
Speaker 1: check out his efficiency. Come on, kids, yeah, did you
Speaker 1: see that bank shot? Bob Costumes will join his coming
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