1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Taking a walk and do what we do and do 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: it well. You know, if you're a nurse, you're keeping 3 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: people alive. My god, what is there a greater gift 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: to the planet. If you're a teacher, look what you're doing. 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, magnificent. I think we all have that 6 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 1: opportunity to take great, great joy and pleasure, and but 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: we're adding to the planet. 8 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Taking a Walk Podcast, the podcast with 9 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: music and industry insiders talking about their love of music. 10 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 2: Buzz Night is your host, and today he's joined by 11 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 2: Louise Palliker. She's an app and podcast entrepreneur, co hosting 12 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 2: the Media Path podcast. She's also a filmmaker and was 13 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: co founder of the Premiere Radio Network. Let's join Buzz 14 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 2: and Louise next on Taking a Walk. 15 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 3: Hi buds, Louise, how are you well? How are you doing? Excellent? 16 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 3: Thank you? Thank you for a virtual edition of our 17 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 3: Taking a Walk Podcast. I appreciate it. We have a 18 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:07,919 Speaker 3: lot to unpack in your illustrious career, but let's start 19 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 3: with growing up in Buffalo. How did that shape you 20 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 3: as being this blend of content creator, inventor, entrepreneur or 21 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 3: the whole ball of axe. 22 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: That's a good question. I don't think Buffalo had much 23 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: to do with it other than how this then it 24 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: was from anything that interested me. My dad was My 25 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: dad made for coach for a living. I wasn't interested 26 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: in fashion or harming animals, but I loved everything about 27 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: my dad and I had a great childhood. So, you know, 28 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: everything that I wanted to do that was creative. I 29 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: felt like I wasn't talented enough to do in a 30 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: school setting or in a community setting, but I was. 31 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: I had a lot of For any birthday, I would want, like, 32 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: you know, a Codec camera or a Super eight film 33 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: camera or a Polaroid land camera or a tape recorder. 34 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: So I was recording shows like I was making podcasts. 35 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: I'm like just set player. You know. I didn't know 36 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: what I was doing, but I was just always creating something, 37 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: and I felt like doing it with my brothers and 38 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: sisters had less jeopardy than auditioning. You know. I was 39 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: in all the plays, but I was always in the chorus. 40 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: And even when I went to college, I didn't have 41 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: the nerve to say that I wanted to major in journalism, 42 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: which which is what I wanted to do. So I 43 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: got a teaching degree, and so I was a late 44 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 1: bloomer in that it really didn't start coming out of 45 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: me professionally until I moved to California. 46 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 3: So early on you figured out the joy of creating 47 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 3: things and the satisfaction that comes with creating. Do you 48 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,040 Speaker 3: remember the first time that that really hit you and 49 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 3: you were growing up? 50 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: Maybe it was saying things that were funny and adults laughing, 51 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: and then and recognizing that maybe there was some value 52 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: in that and that it pleased me and it pleased others. 53 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: So maybe like getting a laugh at the age of 54 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: two would could be a version of it. But let's see, 55 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: I think I was. I think it may have been 56 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 1: those little radio plays. Like we would get comic books 57 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: and then we would act them out in different accents. 58 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: On the first I had a real to real little 59 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: tape player, and then I had accept plates, and I 60 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: got my cousin Lois, and my brother and sister Joanne 61 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: and Craig involved, and we would, yeah, we would do 62 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: different accents and act out like those romantic comics that 63 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: girls would buy because we thought that they were so corny. Uh. 64 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: And then my sister and I created a comedy duo 65 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: that we called the Stiffa Sisters, and they would sing 66 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: and off key harmonies like like like I had any 67 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: idea of that the Sweeney Sisters would become a thing. 68 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: Although they sang in tune. We just were partying. I 69 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: guess stuff that we've seen on on some of the 70 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: variety shows. We knew it was funny. It was funny 71 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: to us, Yeah, stuff along those lines. 72 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 3: Well, if it's funny to you, then I'm sure it's 73 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:28,239 Speaker 3: funny to somebody else. 74 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: I think my mother thought it was pretty clever. And 75 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: then we would also we would choreograph the Osmond's and 76 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: the Jackson Five. You know, we would we would put 77 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: on productions of the sound of music and you know, 78 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: things of that nature. I really think since it's first 79 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: I was doing, I had siblings who were creative, so 80 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 1: I had teammates. 81 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 3: What did they end up doing in their career? 82 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: My brother it works on He has always kind of 83 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: been in Manhattan working in the Broadway community, and he's 84 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: extremely clever. And my sister Joanne is a graphic artist. 85 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: Our older sister Amy, interestingly, who didn't do any of 86 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: these productions with us, it may have gotten her in 87 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: the role of Jackie Jackson once. Who knows, but it 88 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: could have happened. But she is a. 89 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 3: Financial advisor, and we know there's comedy evolved there. 90 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: Right, Oh hilarity. Sure, you know what people are spending 91 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: their money on and you have to keep it to yourself. 92 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 3: But you had this blend while you were doing all 93 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 3: this growing up of figuring out technical things in terms 94 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 3: of you know, the act of recording and all of that, 95 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 3: you had this other, you know, blend of improvisational skills 96 00:05:54,120 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 3: and probably in addition, seems like there was nothing you've 97 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 3: had in terms of the fear of failure. Is that accurate? 98 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: Hmm? Fear of failure, that's a good question. I think 99 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: I had what may be the most important quality, which 100 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: is a drive to complete the I have the completion gene. 101 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people have a lot 102 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: of ideas, but they they're not always inclined to finish. 103 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: That may be a fear of failure, or they get distracted, 104 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: or they get they get to what seems like a 105 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: barrier and they don't know how to get around it. 106 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: I was always somebody that completed things. If I was 107 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: working on a little radio show like I would do 108 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 1: my own versions of remember those I don't know your age, 109 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: But there were those records that came out and it 110 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: was like an interviewer asking someone a question and then 111 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: the answer would be a clip of a song. I 112 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: wouldn't make those about my family. They always make it 113 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: about something that was happening in current events, and that 114 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: they would ask a question and the answer would be 115 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: like a snippet of a song. Things were supposed to 116 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: be hilarious, like well, I would make my own versions 117 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: of them interviewing members of my family, and then the 118 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,679 Speaker 1: answer would be you know, Like for my sister Amy, 119 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: for example, I would ask her a question and she 120 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: would just keep singing that Helen Ready song leave Me Alone, 121 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: Won't you leave Me alone? 122 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 3: You know? 123 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: Because Amy was too cool for us, like she was 124 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: like borderline hippie. But yeah, I think I was. I 125 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: definitely had fear of failure when it came to auditioning 126 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: for a school play. I don't think I gave my 127 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: best performances. I didn't get a part, an actual speaking 128 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: part in a place till I was a senior in 129 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: high school and I played the Mayor's wife and Bye 130 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: by Bertie, which is barely a speaking role. She mostly 131 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: screams and faints. So yeah, I think because I probably 132 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: completed so many projects on my own, I was really 133 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: ready for around two thousand and four when we started 134 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: getting all those tools kind of bundled in with our computer, 135 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: and you could actually take what was in your head 136 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: and create it. You could write a book, you could 137 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: record music, you could make a movie, you could you know, 138 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: process your own photos. I was really ready for that home, 139 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: those home tools, because I was doing them with analog 140 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: equipment as a child. 141 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 3: And what were you doing job wise in two thousand 142 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 3: and four. 143 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: By then I had already created and sold a company 144 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: called Premiere Radio Networks. So yeah, in the trenches, I 145 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 1: had no fear of failure. I just did things because 146 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: I knew that I could, so performing alone on a 147 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: stage for example. A I got finally back into that 148 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: doing when I started doing stand up comedy. But it 149 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: was all kind of like as the Premiere Radio ride 150 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: was cresting and we were selling the company. That's when 151 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: I started performing again, and that's when I started making 152 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: a film about the cow Sills, and that's when I 153 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 1: wrote my own book and recorded my own album of 154 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: my own songs. It was really kind of like those 155 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: bundles of tools that we were getting with our computers. 156 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a lot of people that have a 157 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: parallel track that were suddenly given a Mac computer with 158 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: all these all these creation tools and started creating everything 159 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: that had been in their minds, you know, this whole time. 160 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, I was able to make my career in 161 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: radio where I was being creative because we had studios, 162 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: you know, we had all those analog tools, and we 163 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 1: were creating comedy that we would send to radio stations. 164 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: We were creating countdown shows and music, and I was 165 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: interviewing artists, and we were sending interview interview interviews to 166 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: radio stations with all of the people that you get 167 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 1: to meet and interview in Los Angeles. 168 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been a consumer of the Premiere Radio Network. 169 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 3: I've been a client of them, and probably share some 170 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 3: of the same mutual friends that are part of that 171 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 3: organization to this day. So definitely, I've very very familiar, 172 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 3: great people. So how did the genesis of creating Premiere 173 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 3: come into your head? And what was the process? 174 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: I was writing for Ricky's I was writing the weekly 175 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: Top forty Countdown, which is Rickty's was a top radio 176 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: guy in Los Angeles and he wanted to have a 177 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: syndicated show, and I was, I think maybe the fifth writer. 178 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: It fired his first four writers, which I didn't. I 179 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: had a job at a show called PM Magazine, which 180 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: is a television show that was syndicated, and he came 181 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: on as a guest host. He liked the way I wrote, 182 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: and one day I had a call from him while 183 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: he was on the air doing a show. He kept 184 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: putting me on hold to talk on the radio or 185 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: at which point I would turn to my coworker and go, 186 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 1: oh my God, because I couldn't believe this was happening. 187 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 1: But and then you know, there was. He gave me 188 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: the opportunity to come and write for him, which meant 189 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: leaving TV and going into radio, so I had to 190 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: give that some thought. But he he was doing comedy, 191 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: which is really By then I was like twenty three, Yeah, 192 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: I knew this is where I want to go. I 193 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: would like to be writing something funny rather than writing 194 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: PM Magazine, And so I went. And that introduced me 195 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: to fellow dis jockeys Tim Kelly and Steve Lahman and 196 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: Ed Mann, and we got to talking, and Tim had 197 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: this idea that we could do something that we called 198 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: the Plane Wrap Countdown, which would be creating tools that 199 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: you know, this is analog once again, so you know, 200 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: it helped dis jockeys to get to get tools. So 201 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: we were creating tools for dis jockeys to perform their 202 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: own Top forty countdown where they would have interviews with 203 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: all of the artists that were on the countdown. So 204 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: we would give them the script and we would give 205 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: them the interview soundbites and they could host their own show. 206 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: And that was the genesis of Premiere Radio Networks. 207 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 3: That's a great story and I have to think, certainly 208 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 3: knowing a couple of those characters that you mentioned, particularly 209 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 3: Steve Lehman, that the way he thinks and his sort 210 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 3: of outlook on building things and as an entrepreneur had 211 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 3: to be really inspiring. 212 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: Steve definitely had that entrepreneurial spirit and when we started, 213 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: when Tim and I started creating the Plane Rep Countdown, 214 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: he wanted it. He was doing what was called the 215 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: mini feature called National Lampoon's True Facts. He was doing 216 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: like a little it would be like a little show 217 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: with one commercial, and he was a distuctie kiss, and 218 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: he definitely wanted to create programming, and when we started 219 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: with the plane rep countdown, he wanted to partner with us, 220 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: and so that is what wound up happening. 221 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 3: So how long of a process was it in terms 222 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 3: of the you know, beginning phone call you got about 223 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 3: selling the network, and then you know the culmination of 224 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 3: the deal. 225 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: That's the Steve end of business. I'm in the trenches 226 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: with all of the creators, and I go to board meetings, 227 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: I hear these things. You know, I always knew. Steve 228 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: always said like the goal is grow the company, grow 229 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: the company, which is a sentence I had never heard. 230 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: But he was steeped in this stuff. So if it 231 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: weren't for Steve, I would not I would not be 232 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: where I am today. He was the person who had 233 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: all of the business acumens and I was in the 234 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: trenches doing all the creativity, and Tim was kind of 235 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:07,839 Speaker 1: straddling both sides. So it was alchemy. We really had 236 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: a beautiful team, and my trajectory would not have happened 237 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: had I not encountered those two gentlemen. And then you know, 238 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: along with Ed Mann and Craig Kitchen, you know the 239 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: people that you meet along the way to contribute it's 240 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: chemistry because it requires certain ingredients in order for it 241 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: to work, and we had them and it was just 242 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: like lightning in a bottle. So I'm eternally grateful to 243 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: my brothers there, my brothers for life. 244 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 3: Are you still a board member? 245 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: No, we told and I don't even know if I 246 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: have shares anymore. I mean it was sold to what 247 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: is now. iHeartMedia. 248 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 4: Sure, we'll be right back with more of the Taken 249 00:14:52,200 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 4: a Walk Podcast. Welcome back to the Taken a Walk Podcast. 250 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 3: Have you ever seen Craig Kitchen, who happens to be 251 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 3: one of the nicest guys in the world, But have 252 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 3: you ever seen Craig be frustrated under pressure with anything? 253 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 3: Because I haven't. 254 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I have my version of what Craig looks 255 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: like under pressure, but it's not like what anyone else 256 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: looks like under pressure. Is this a magical person? You know? 257 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: You know what Craig you know because my other partners 258 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: did not have this, and I think maybe they learned 259 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: some of it from Craig was that he listens and 260 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: he agrees with you, and he validates what you're saying. Now, 261 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: he may never do what you asked. But the point 262 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: is that the conversation was felt productive and you felt heard, 263 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: and then whatever happened, you know, you adjust to. But 264 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: I don't know where Craig learned to do that, but 265 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: he really treats everybody like they matter. And I learned 266 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: from Craig that that's essential. I mean, I mean, don't 267 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: we all learn the quality is that we want to learn? 268 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: Like in other words, we encounter all kinds of people, 269 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: they have all kinds of different styles, and I'd like 270 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: to take what I love from each person and say 271 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: I liked that, I like the way he handles this, 272 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: I like the way he approaches that. And with Craig, 273 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: I felt like he really understands how important it is 274 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: for each of us to feel validated, to feel as 275 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: if we're a part of what matters and what is 276 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: contributing towards the success. And so you don't like there's 277 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: an improv rule. Have you ever taken any improv classes? 278 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 3: I have not. 279 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: The one important improv rule that I'll teach you that 280 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: you can take away if you like it is yes. 281 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: And so you never say no. That's stupid, you say yes. 282 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: And we could also not drive the car off a cliff. 283 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: You know, we could also think about maybe staying on 284 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: the road. So, in other words, you approve of what 285 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: they've said, and then you add to it so that 286 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: someone will feel open to volunteering their next idea. They 287 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: won't feel hurt, humiliated, scared and embarrassed, and you'll continue 288 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 1: getting their thoughts. And that's I don't know if Craig 289 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: took it in prov class or that's just naturally how 290 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: how he knows what works best for success is to 291 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: keep everybody plugged in, and so he just I once 292 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: asked him, like, how like he when Steve left and 293 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: Craig was running Premiere, he was left having to deal 294 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 1: with all these guys at Jake Core, and you know, 295 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: they were the big radio guys and they had a 296 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: different style than Craig's. And I said, how much of 297 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: your life is running the company and how much much 298 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: it is the politics of these waters that you're currently 299 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: swimming in? And he said it was sixty percent politics. 300 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: And I thought that that was shame because because of 301 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: Craig's various talents that at those levels of things, so 302 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: much of your life is just staying alive. And that 303 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 1: made me sad, but it also validated my decision that 304 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 1: was a good time for me and move on to 305 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: my next adventure. 306 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,639 Speaker 3: And the next venture was really launching the podcast Media 307 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 3: Path right, No. 308 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 1: Media Path is my fifth podcast. So I started doing 309 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 1: stand up, I wrote a book, I recorded an album 310 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: of my own songs. I got into photography. I made 311 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: a film about the cow Hills, and I started podcasting 312 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: with my friend Laura Swisher and our first pot cast 313 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: was called Weezy in the Swish, and then I have 314 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: moved through various podcasts and it really wasn't until Fritz 315 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: Coleman retired from his job as the weather man at 316 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: NBC Los Angeles that I started podcasting with Fritz, and 317 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: that is our current show, which we are now on 318 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: episode on Media Path Podcasts. 319 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 3: Congratulations, that's no small feat. 320 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: Thank you. 321 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 3: But going back to your childhood and you made reference 322 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 3: to this, you were always sort of fiddling with creating things, 323 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 3: which was the genesis of maybe you know you're thinking 324 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 3: on podcasting, and then it probably made it easy for 325 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 3: you to be in that space. Is that correct? 326 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: Oh? I think absolutely. I've been talking into a microphone 327 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:53,719 Speaker 1: until you know, I mean since probably I was eleven. 328 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,479 Speaker 1: So that was you know, even at premiere and I 329 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: was behind the scenes, I still voiced a lot of 330 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: stuff because the radio stations didn't know who was I 331 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: did hundreds of different characters, and I you know, I 332 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: wasn't the top voice performer, but you know we were 333 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: cranking out so much content that you know, that was 334 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: natural for me. 335 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 3: How difficult is it to build an audience with a 336 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 3: podcast from your perspective, I certainly have my personal perspective. 337 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's extremely difficult because you know, as 338 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: I heard James Taylor say once to Oprah, not in 339 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: person on the TV. I'm not name dropping, but he said, 340 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: you know, anyone can get their foot in the door. 341 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: There's just like millions of people inside the door. So 342 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: you know, the dynamic has changed in terms of we 343 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: we can all create, we all have those tools on 344 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: our computer. We can all create a show. But how 345 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: do you how do you develop an audience? How do 346 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: you stand out? And that just tricky for everyone. I 347 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: mean I've I've pretty much tried everything that you're supposed 348 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: to do. Hire publicists, and you know all the social media, 349 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: you know, making clips and disseminating this way and that 350 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: way and tagging this and that, and you know you 351 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:23,199 Speaker 1: believe and find me on TikTok with highlights from our podcasts. 352 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, I think you just have to 353 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: keep grinding and be consistent and have a show drop 354 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: every week at the same time, and build build. We 355 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: have a YouTube version of our show so you can 356 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: see us in the studio, and then I add all 357 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: kinds of visual elements, do it using final cuts since 358 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: I know how to make films, and I respond to 359 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: every comment we get. I want people to feel involved 360 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: and I want to build a community. But it is 361 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: a lift, isn't it. 362 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 3: But it's so it is, and yet it's so satisfying 363 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 3: creating something, putting it out, you know, back to what 364 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 3: got you excited as a child about creating? 365 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: Yes, you know, and it gives you every week that 366 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: sense of completion, which is so satisfying that hey, I 367 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: made something, and you know, I used to just show 368 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: it to my mom and my dad and now you know, 369 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: so it was like completion was running into the kitchen 370 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: and playing something from my mom just really not all 371 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: that interested, but you know, visual making dinner and during 372 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: the person she was. But I mean, I think raising kids. 373 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: Is that is that thrill of completion? Right once they're grown, 374 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: it's like, look at this, Look at her there, what 375 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 1: she's doing? You know, So we get it in so 376 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: many aspects of our lives. You know what we do 377 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: doing it well. You imagine driving by a house that 378 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: you helped build and knowing that that the brick is 379 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: there because you put it there. I mean, I can't 380 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: imagine how how satisfying that must feel, that it creates 381 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: shelter for people. There's all kinds of ways to feel 382 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: that sense of satisfaction and do what we do and 383 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,479 Speaker 1: do it well. You know, if you're a nurse, you're 384 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: keeping people alive. My god, what is there a greater 385 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: gift to the planet. If you're a teacher, look what 386 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: you're doing, Oh my gosh, magnificent. So I think we all, 387 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: you know, have have that opportunity to take great, great 388 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: joy and pleasure and what we're adding, what we're adding 389 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: to the planet. 390 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 3: What do you think the state of podcasting is now? 391 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 3: There's been obviously some corrections that have occurred with the 392 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 3: strategy for some companies around podcasting. What's your personal view 393 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 3: of the state of the state. 394 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: I don't really know because I'm I'm on us. We're 395 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 1: with a small network and they just they publish us, 396 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: and I think it's still a great sorting. You know, 397 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: the big sorting process of the television in the fifties 398 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 1: were you know, at least they're already networks at that point, 399 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: but it was like the battle was like how do 400 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: we get TVs into more homes? And you know, what 401 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: are we going to do? And what kind of shows 402 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: are people going to want to see? And how do 403 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 1: we measure what they like? Now it's like super easy 404 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 1: to measure what they like, you know, the analytics are 405 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: right there. But the podcasting is everything from somebody talking 406 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 1: into their voice memo recorder and publishing it and NBC 407 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: making podcasts. It's the big guys are doing it, the 408 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: little guys are doing it. So it's a great sorting 409 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: of how how is this going to be disseminated more 410 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: clearly and sorted into networks and sorted into categories and 411 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: you know, very searchable. You know, maybe Google's getting into 412 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: the game of like having you know, one of their 413 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: search keys being podcasts. Right now, it's you can go 414 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: from images to news to you know all and a 415 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: few other categories, but maybe the podcast will be one 416 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: of those pulled down you know, one of those search 417 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 1: tools where you'll type something into the Google search field 418 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: and click podcasts, and so you would then see I think, 419 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: a better sorting of everything about botany, you know, whatever 420 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: you want to find a podcast about, it'll there's got 421 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: to be a better i would say, sorting tools and 422 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: also conversation tools so that people listening to the same 423 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: podcast can converse about it and it so it's I 424 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,959 Speaker 1: think it needs better sorting, and that's probably what's in 425 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: its future. 426 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 3: So what else are you working on these days in 427 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 3: terms of new projects? Any other documentary? 428 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: Not right now? I mean I had a documentary short 429 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: that was in the festival circuit when the pandemic hit. 430 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: And then during the pandemic, I started podcasting with Fritz 431 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: And because Fritz is a household name in Los Angeles 432 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: and I want to, you know, be the best I 433 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: can for this project. I'm putting all my energy into it. 434 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: So I'm not teaching right now. You know a lot 435 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: of stuff that shut down for the pandemic, I've kept 436 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: shut down for me so I can devote my time 437 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 1: to media path Because the video version of this is 438 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: like making a documentary once a week. You know, if 439 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: you go to our YouTube page, which is at Media 440 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: Path Podcasts, you'll see that every episode if you put 441 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: it up on YouTube. Even if you put it up 442 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 1: on the screen while you're making dinner or folding things, 443 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: it's every time you look at the screen, there's something 444 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: to look at. And I think that may be a 445 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: in the future of podcasting too, where everything is sort 446 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 1: of visual and you know, audio owned, you know, audio 447 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: only or visual if even like for your show, if 448 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: you just wanted to have on the screen a picture 449 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: of you, you know, people could be able to put 450 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: it up on the wall, right so that you know, 451 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: have you've gone into people's homes and there's just stuff 452 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: playing that's coming out of the wall. So there's like 453 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: they've got a music playlist or whatever. But you can 454 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 1: look at a screen, there's not much to see, but 455 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 1: at least you're playing it through your home system. Right. 456 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm I'm I'm pretty busy with this making 457 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: it as visually interesting as possible. But I will make 458 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: more documentaries. I love that art form and I would 459 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: I would love to make my next documentary. I just 460 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what it will be just yet. 461 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 3: Well, my last question, Louise is do we send Craig 462 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 3: Kitchen a bill? That's really the question. 463 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if he's good for it, you know, yeah, no, 464 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: definitely he is the best. I love that guy, and so, 465 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: you know, I think we, you know, maybe send him 466 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: a bill that would be like what these royalty checks 467 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: that folks are getting, these writers are getting. Maybe for 468 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: two or three cents. Yeah, I would send him that. 469 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 3: Weezy. Thanks for being on Taking a Walk. Appreciate it. 470 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 3: It was a lot of fun. 471 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: Oh. I enjoyed talking with you. 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