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Speaker 1: Hello, Adlots listeners. We are re releasing an episode that

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Speaker 1: we recorded on May twenty third with Zorin Mumdanie.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 3: Just last night, Zoron won the Democratic nomination to be

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Speaker 3: the new mayor of New York City. He is the

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Speaker 3: massive favorite going into the general election, although of course

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Speaker 3: Cuomo is the favorite going into the nomination, so anything

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Speaker 3: could still happen. But probably a lot of people are

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Speaker 3: tuning into this race now for the first time and

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Speaker 3: want to know what the Democratic nominee is all about.

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Speaker 1: Yep, and we asked him a lot of questions about

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Speaker 1: exactly that, So take a listen.

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Speaker 4: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, Radio News.

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Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to another episode of the Odd Lots podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm Joe Wisenthal and I'm Tracy Alloway. Tracy, we might

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Speaker 2: we had a socialist mayor here in New York City.

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Speaker 1: Can I tell you something please? It's slightly weird. Last night,

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Speaker 1: the night before we're recording this episode, I had a

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Speaker 1: dream that I was in a shared uber with Adrian

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Speaker 1: Adams and she was the driver. So she's another mayoral candidate.

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Speaker 1: She was driving and I told her we were going

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Speaker 1: to interview this particular candidate.

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Speaker 2: And I was amazing.

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Speaker 1: I was asking her for good questions.

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Speaker 2: This is an amazing dream you're not making, Lissa.

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Speaker 1: No, my dreams are very literal. And everyone in the

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Speaker 1: uber was giving me ideas for questions and had opinions

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Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But now I can't remember any

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's really disappointing anyway. You know, we don't really

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Speaker 3: cover a lot of New York City politics. We don't

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Speaker 3: talked about New York City politics. Who really cares about

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Speaker 3: be too navel gazing, but you know, this is a

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Speaker 3: city with a lot of people who, needless to say,

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Speaker 3: work in finance. Potentially, if Door Maine your changes to

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Speaker 3: et cetera. So it's not a crime to every once

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Speaker 1: No, and this also relates directly to a previous all

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Speaker 1: Balts episode we did all about how New York gets

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's the connection. Let's jump right into it.

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Speaker 3: I'm very excited to say we have a state assemblyman

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Speaker 3: and candidate for the Democratic nomination for mayor, Zoron, Mumdanie

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Speaker 3: coming on the show.

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Speaker 2: Zoron, Thank you so much for coming on.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me. It's a pleasure.

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Speaker 3: I mentioned your socialist. What specific strand of socialism are you?

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Speaker 3: And are the other socialists revisionists and deviationists of various flavors.

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Speaker 3: We need to know your exact the exact category here.

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Speaker 5: I will leave that to the internet. I will. I

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Speaker 5: will tell you that I am a dem cutic socialist. Yes,

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Speaker 5: and I started to call myself that after Bernie Sanders'

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Speaker 3: By the way, you know, now that I am a

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Speaker 3: Wasn't always the case. And I went to high school

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Speaker 3: I was a Bernard Brother before it became cool.

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Speaker 5: Yes, you got in early.

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Speaker 1: So how would you describe your platform? Is it the

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Speaker 5: It's heavily inspired by that same focus on income inequality

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Speaker 5: You know, the first issue that you hear from most

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Speaker 3: I've heard that about Jersey City, that they've actually done

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Speaker 5: I think some of it has to do with the regulations.

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Speaker 5: But I think even beyond that question of zoning, which

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about another plank of your platform

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Speaker 5: You know, we are focused on the cost of living crisis,

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Speaker 5: when something is critically important to that dignity, I believe

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Speaker 5: that there should be a public option for it. And

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Speaker 5: what we have proposed is a reasonable policy experimentation in

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Speaker 5: And so what this proposal does is it not only

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Speaker 1: So some commentators have described this proposal as somewhat unusual

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Speaker 5: Well, the beauty of a pilot program is that it

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Speaker 5: I think what's been quite interesting to me is state

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Speaker 5: That is less than half of the money the city

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Speaker 3: All right, I have two specifically questions on this. One

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Speaker 5: You know, I am someone who has been skeptical of

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Speaker 3: The grocery level margins seem very thin. Now, I know

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Speaker 5: I think the opportunity we have with a city run

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Speaker 5: I have to earn the public's trust and I will

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Speaker 5: And if you believe in public goods, in public services

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Speaker 5: And ultimately, that is what we need to show New Yorkers.

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Speaker 5: We have to earn their trust, and the best way

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Speaker 1: Just one more question on the grocery stores. So I

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Speaker 5: I would judge the success in their provision of affordable

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Speaker 3: I want to talk more about public excellence in the

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Speaker 5: My Bernard brother, let's do it.

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Speaker 3: I am an avid utilizer of many of the public

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Speaker 3: some people say. It's certainly not as bad as the

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Speaker 3: impression I would get if I didn't live here and

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Speaker 3: now were watching Fox News about New York City. Nonetheless,

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Speaker 3: there has been an increase in crime over the last

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Speaker 3: several years. I think it's come down and recently, but

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Speaker 3: there is a fair amount of disrepair. My impression is

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Speaker 3: when I think about public goods in general, which is

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Speaker 3: that people on the left really like to talk about

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Speaker 3: them and how important they are, and then generally do

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Speaker 3: not seem as committed to sort of like product excellence

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Speaker 3: as I would expect for them to say, be politically sustainable.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, I feel very safe. I live in

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Speaker 3: the East Village, I commute up here. I generally feel

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Speaker 3: very safe. But you know, like I see needles on

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Speaker 3: the playground at Tompkins Square Park, there are bathrooms that

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Speaker 3: are almost never open or functional. There's smoking on the

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Speaker 3: subway from time to time. It's not the end of

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Speaker 3: the world, but it's not very pleasant, especially when you

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Speaker 3: have kids. And I'm curious, like what your view is about,

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Speaker 3: like what seems to be a sort of tension between

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Speaker 3: excellent provision of public goods and some of the law

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Speaker 3: and order, as people would call it, requirements for them

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Speaker 3: to be clean, friendly, excellent places.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think we on the left have to

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Speaker 5: make it clear that quality of life is of immense

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Speaker 5: concern to us, because when we are fighting for public goods,

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Speaker 5: for public service, for public excellence, at the core of

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Speaker 5: it is that belief that everyone should have an excellent

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Speaker 5: quality of life. And yet What has happened in the

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Speaker 5: last few years is that this term has almost been

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Speaker 5: made to be understood as if it is solely a

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Speaker 5: conservative concern, when in fact, this is at the heart

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Speaker 5: of what we're fighting.

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Speaker 3: It feels to me, like, to be honest, that the

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Speaker 3: left has conceded that that. Actually the part of the

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Speaker 3: reason it's become a sort of conservative coded term is

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Speaker 3: because I perceive, and tell me if I'm wrong, it's fine,

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Speaker 3: but I perceive a certain discomfort about some of the

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Speaker 3: hard choices or some of the you know more, maybe

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Speaker 3: carcerole is the right word, law and order whatever that

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Speaker 3: would contribute to making some of these public goods safer

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Speaker 3: and clean.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think what we have to make clear is

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Speaker 5: that those are not the only choices on offer. And

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Speaker 5: yet we do have to still respond to that same crisis.

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Speaker 5: And so often, as you were describing living in New

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Speaker 5: York City, you have a different understanding than if you

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Speaker 5: were to view it through the prism of social media

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Speaker 5: or TV. And yet we can say two things at once,

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Speaker 5: which is that there is an immense amount of fear

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Speaker 5: mongering and that we still have to deliver world class goods,

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Speaker 5: which we are far from doing today. And I say

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Speaker 5: that as someone who loves our subway system and who

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Speaker 5: knows that when you ask New Yorkers where they feel

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Speaker 5: least safe in the city, you oftentimes hear those same words,

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Speaker 5: it's the subway system. And that's why at the heart

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Speaker 5: of our campaign is a proposal to deliver that same

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Speaker 5: p public safety that New Yorkers have been denied under

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Speaker 5: Eric Adams, a mayor who ran in twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 5: telling those same New Yorkers they need not choose between

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Speaker 5: safety and justice. He's shown himself unable to deliver the former,

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Speaker 5: uninterested in delivering the latter. And what we've said is

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Speaker 5: that we will create a Department of Community Safety, the DCS,

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Speaker 5: which understands that police have a critical role to play

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Speaker 5: in public safety, and we are currently relying on them

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Speaker 5: to respond to almost every single failure of the social

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Speaker 5: safety net, asking them to do the work of social

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Speaker 5: workers and mental health professionals, a reliance that has made

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Speaker 5: it nearly impossible for them to actually do their jobs.

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Speaker 5: And we can see that in their inability to raise

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Speaker 5: their clearance rates of the major seven categories of crime.

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Speaker 5: And so what our DCS will do is tackle five

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Speaker 5: key issues homelessness, mental health crisis, gun violence, hate crimes,

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Speaker 5: and victim services, and will learn from the evidence proven

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Speaker 5: models that have been successful elsewhere in the country in

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Speaker 5: responding to these very issues and doing so in America

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Speaker 5: that provides public safety and frees up the police.

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Speaker 1: So another part of your platform is raising the corporate

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Speaker 1: tax rate, raising income tax for millionaires. And I think

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Speaker 1: one of the things we are all perhaps internalizing this

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Speaker 1: week as we watch Washington, DC and the big beautiful

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Speaker 1: bill currently going through its process, is that raising taxes

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Speaker 1: on the rich seems to be really, really difficult in America.

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Speaker 1: Maybe New York is different, maybe New Yorkers feel differently

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Speaker 1: about it. But I guess my question is A, why

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Speaker 1: do you think it seems so difficult? And then B

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Speaker 1: how can you actually overcome that particular.

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Speaker 2: Hurdle it just to take on? You actually need state

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Speaker 2: permission to do that, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: You do. You need to work with the state, and ultimately,

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Speaker 5: the city is a creature of the state, and any

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Speaker 5: agenda you have as a mayor that seeks to match

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Speaker 5: the scale of the crisis New Yorkers are living through

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Speaker 5: will require Albany. When we wanted to create universal pre

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Speaker 5: k we required Albany. When we wanted congestion pricing, we

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Speaker 5: required Albany. And I think again and again and again,

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Speaker 5: you will look at any of the most ambitious parts

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Speaker 5: of any candidate's plans and it will require Albany. When

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Speaker 5: I came into office in twenty twenty one, one of

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Speaker 5: the first battles that I helped to lead was to

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Speaker 5: raise taxes on the most profitable corporations and the wealthiest

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Speaker 5: New Yorkers so that we could fully fund our public schools.

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Speaker 5: And we eventually did so over the objections of then

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Speaker 5: Governor Cuomo, raising about four billion dollars, and that allowed

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Speaker 5: us to fulfill the legal requirement of the Campaign for

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Speaker 5: Fiscal Equity, a landmark case with regards to fully funding

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Speaker 5: public schools. And I think it's difficult in Washing and

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Speaker 5: it's difficult for a number of politicians to raise taxes

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Speaker 5: on the rich when those politicians are also funded by

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Speaker 5: the rich, because ultimately that clash between the interests of

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Speaker 5: their donors and the interest of their constituents is one

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Speaker 5: that they will oftentimes pick their donors. And we've seen

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Speaker 5: that with Andrew Cuomo. He speaks a big game about

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Speaker 5: fighting for working people, but he is funded by the

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Speaker 5: same billionaires that fund Donald Trump. We've just seen Bill

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Speaker 5: Ackman give his super pac two hundred and fifty thousand dollars,

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Speaker 5: and we continue to see that even with him receiving

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Speaker 5: a million dollar donation from DoorDash looking to very clearly

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Speaker 5: purchase influence around labor and street safety regulations. And I

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Speaker 5: think there is a real possibility of doing so, not

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Speaker 5: only because it's one of the most popular things when

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Speaker 5: you pull it amongst New Yorkers and amongst Americans, but

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Speaker 5: because it's needed to pay for an agenda that will

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Speaker 5: transform the quality of life not only for working class

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Speaker 5: New Yorkers, not only for middle class New Yorkers, but

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Speaker 5: even for the wealthy. You hear this concern about the

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Speaker 5: degradation of city services, and our proposal is one that

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Speaker 5: meets the earlier conversation we were having about the necessity

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Speaker 5: for a public good to be so excellent that even

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Speaker 5: the wealthy use it and delivers that with regards to buses,

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Speaker 5: with regards to childcare, and with so many of the

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Speaker 5: city services that will keep this city running.

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Speaker 1: If you're unable to raise the tax rate for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: how much of your policy proposal is not viable any longer,

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Speaker 1: and how do you actually prioritize the different things that

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Speaker 1: you are proposing.

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Speaker 5: So I'm confident in our ability to raise it because

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Speaker 5: I've seen in every year that I've been in Albany

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Speaker 5: since twenty twenty one, that the legislature has in its

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Speaker 5: own budget proposals proposed. Those increases on income taxes for

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Speaker 5: the wealthiest New Yorkers and on raising the top corporate

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Speaker 5: tax rate. And just for one moment, if I can

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Speaker 5: explain what those proposals are. Our proposal is to raise

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Speaker 5: the top state corporate tax rate to match that of

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Speaker 5: the radical socialist utopia of New Jersey. It's seven point

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Speaker 5: twenty five percent here in New York, to match theirs

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Speaker 5: of eleven point five five percent. That's a tax that

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Speaker 5: applies to the topmost level of profitable corporations. We're talking

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Speaker 5: about their profits millions of dollars, and it would raise

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Speaker 5: five billion dollars just in doing so. The second part

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Speaker 5: of the tax plan, which would raise four billion dollars,

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Speaker 5: would be to increase New York City's income tax rate

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Speaker 5: on the top one percent of income earners. We're talking

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Speaker 5: about people who make a million dollars or more a

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Speaker 5: year by a flat two percent increase, so a twenty

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Speaker 5: thousand dollars increase, which is what I would argue a

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Speaker 5: rounding error when you're looking at it within that larger context.

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Speaker 5: Those two things together raise nine billion dollars, and then

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Speaker 5: we raise an additional billion through good government reforms, whether

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Speaker 5: we're talking about procurement or hiring fiscal auditors, or actually

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Speaker 5: collecting the fines and fees that New York City is owed.

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Speaker 5: So that's our fiscal policy of how we raise ten billion. Now,

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Speaker 5: you always have to prepare for every eventuality. The city

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Speaker 5: also has about three billion dollars in its rainy day

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Speaker 5: fund and its reserves combined. It also, in times of

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Speaker 5: economic growth, as we've generally seen in the last few years,

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Speaker 5: sees its budget increase by two to three billion dollars.

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Speaker 5: So there are a lot of different opportunities. And the

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Speaker 5: final thing I will say is we have a city

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Speaker 5: budget of one hundred and fifteen billion dollars. I am

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Speaker 5: not confident that Eric Adams has been spending every one

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Speaker 5: of those dollars in the most productive way. And one

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Speaker 5: of the first things that I will do when I

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Speaker 5: get into city Hall, JOJ. But no, I mean to

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Speaker 5: be honest with you, it is a regret of mine

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Speaker 5: that we have allowed someone like Elon Musk to use

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Speaker 5: the language of fraud and inefficiency and waste for his

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Speaker 5: own ends of personal benefit, when really, if we care

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Speaker 5: about public goods and public service, we should be ensuring

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Speaker 5: that it is the most efficient spending of those dollars.

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Speaker 5: And I think when we look, especially at the way

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Speaker 5: in which we've hollowed out public capacity to instead replace

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Speaker 5: it with private consultants, there is an immense amount of

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Speaker 5: money to be saved, especially if we're looking specifically at

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Speaker 5: the DOE and how much of our reliance on curricula

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Speaker 5: procurement has to do more with who we've already been

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Speaker 5: procuring with and not having any standardized approach when it

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Speaker 5: should also be a universal approach across the department that

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Speaker 5: ensures we both save money and deliver excellence.

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Speaker 3: I want to ask another politics question. I didn't really

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Speaker 3: like to talk policy, but I think this is actually

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Speaker 3: an important to mention after the recent general election twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four, and it's clear that Democrats performed worse than

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Speaker 3: they historically have among non white voters all around the country.

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Speaker 3: There's this big debate about why, and the left says

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Speaker 3: the centrist you failed to talk to the working class.

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Speaker 3: In the centrist it's like, no, it's because you've made

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Speaker 3: us talk about pronouns and that repelled.

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Speaker 2: People, et cetera. I'm actually not that interested in that

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Speaker 2: question right now.

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Speaker 3: I'm interested that intra left left candidates actually have not

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Speaker 3: done particularly well, mentioned Bernie among poorer voters, among non

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Speaker 3: white voters, among polling I'm not going to ask you

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Speaker 3: about your own polling per se, but I saw Paul

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Speaker 3: that said you were pulling at eight percent among black voters,

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Speaker 3: with Andrew Cuomo having.

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Speaker 2: Done a lot better.

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Speaker 3: Seems like left politics in this country it appeals to

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Speaker 3: educated white people, many of them who probably work in newsrooms.

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Speaker 3: I haven't pulled the Bloomberg newsroom, but you know, stuff

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Speaker 3: like that. Why do you think that is? Why have

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Speaker 3: general left candidates, whether it's the primary level, et cetera,

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Speaker 3: or even just looking at you know, New York City

651
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Speaker 3: mayoral polling, not had more progress among what is arguably

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Speaker 3: the core base of the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think these polls that we're speaking about

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Speaker 5: right now with regards to New York City continue to

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Speaker 5: be polls that are more reflective of name recognition than

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Speaker 5: they are of support. And what I mean by that

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Speaker 5: is Andrew Cuomo is a former governor who is the

658
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Speaker 5: son of a former governor, and when I speak to

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Speaker 5: many New Yorkers who support him, I almost always hear

660
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Speaker 5: the word Mario in their answer. And what I'm proud

661
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Speaker 5: of is that we are the only campaign other than

662
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Speaker 5: Cuomo to have broken double digits with every single ethnic

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Speaker 5: group across the city.

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Speaker 3: But you know, like even like on say like unionization,

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of excitement among utanization of grad students,

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Speaker 3: for example, But you know that's not what we think

667
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Speaker 3: of as like, you know, the sort of like industrial

668
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Speaker 3: beating heart of the labor movement, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: It does seem to be a phenomenon.

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Speaker 3: That's sort of more left culture or sort of left

671
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Speaker 3: economic policies have taken hold more among educated whites.

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Speaker 5: Well, look, I think you can look at DC thirty

673
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Speaker 5: seven for an example. This is the largest municipal union

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Speaker 5: in our city, and they represent the workers who actually

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Speaker 5: keep this city moving. They are by and large black

676
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Speaker 5: and brown New Yorkers, and they explicitly chose not to

677
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 5: endorse Andrew Cuomo because he created Tier six, a new

678
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Speaker 5: category in the pension program that took more than one

679
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 5: hundred thousand dollars out from working class New yorkers pockets

680
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Speaker 5: and made them retire later after having served this city

681
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Speaker 5: in state for decades. And I was proud to receive

682
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Speaker 5: their endorsement, and I think that it shows me the

683
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Speaker 5: path here is one where every single day over these

684
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Speaker 5: next thirty four days, we are going to continue to

685
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 5: increase our support where we have seen ourselves, for example,

686
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 5: just break twenty percent in support with Latino voters. And

687
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 5: that is indicative of the fact that the very New

688
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 5: Yorkers who know Cuomo the most are the ones who've

689
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 5: been failed by his policies the most as well. And

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00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 5: that is a responsibility for my campaign and every campaign

691
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,959
Speaker 5: to showcase his actual record of cutting Medicaid, stealing money

692
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 5: from the MTA to fund upstate ski resorts, hounding the

693
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Speaker 5: more than ten women who courageously step forward to accuse

694
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 5: him of sexual harassment, and in many ways echoing a

695
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 5: Donald Trump style record. And that's what we will seek

696
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 5: to do, both at the doors the more than five

697
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty thousand we've knocked so far, and on

698
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 5: cable and broadcasts and mailers, because we have now raised

699
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 5: eight million dollars, the most amount of money we can

700
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 5: legally spend in this race, faster than any campaign in

701
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 5: history and podcasts. I guess, yes, this is actually our

702
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 5: master plan. Yeah, it all comes down to odd lots.

703
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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: So we're going to cut that cook.

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Speaker 1: So I just rem it's something from my dream. Actually.

706
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Speaker 1: So one of the passengers said that what he wanted

707
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: was basically this is not a real passenger, but I

708
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: think it's reflective of some things that you actually do

709
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: here in New York. But he said what he wants

710
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: is basically boring old competency in a mayor so an

711
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: administrator that has lots of policy experience, as opposed to

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Speaker 1: someone who's you know, maybe relatively new and trying to

713
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: do some new things. And I think that is important.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a big difference between coming up with

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Speaker 1: policy ideas and actually executing them and executing them, Well,

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Speaker 1: how are you going to get things done? And what

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Speaker 1: do you say to the people who just want, you know,

718
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Speaker 1: like a boring continuation not necessarily of Eric Adams, but

719
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe going back a little bit further.

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Speaker 5: I understand that desire. It's a desire for normalcy, and

721
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Speaker 5: in time when politics has become about cronyism and corruption.

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Speaker 5: And as much as Andrew Cuomo markets himself as a

723
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Speaker 5: candidate and a campaign of competence, this is a man

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Speaker 5: who couldn't even follow basic paperwork requirements to receive millions

725
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 5: of dollars in public matching funds, someone who couldn't write

726
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 5: a housing policy without the assistance of chat GBT, or

727
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 5: even spell the names of its endorsers correctly in his

728
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 5: own press releases. And as much as a frenetic public

729
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 5: facing schedule as I've been keeping over the last seven months,

730
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Speaker 5: I've also been keeping a private schedule where I've been

731
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Speaker 5: meeting with deputy mayors and commissioners from a wide variety

732
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 5: of mayoral administrations to speak about the how of it all.

733
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Speaker 5: Because an idea is only as good as its implementation,

734
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Speaker 5: and ultimately, it comes back from a desire to build

735
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Speaker 5: a team of the best and the brightest, one where

736
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Speaker 5: we have a common thread of excellence, of fluency and

737
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 5: a track record that binds all of those appointments and

738
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Speaker 5: those hires. Not a common thread of having served together

739
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Speaker 5: for twenty years, which is what it seems to have

740
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Speaker 5: been with Mayor Adams today. And one additional point I'll

741
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 5: say is that too often the style of leadership we've seen,

742
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 5: whether it's from Andrew Cuomo or Eric Adams, has been

743
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Speaker 5: to hire replicas of yourself, to hire people who with

744
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Speaker 5: whom you have one hundred percent agreement and who are

745
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Speaker 5: the quickest to say yes to any one of your ideas,

746
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Speaker 5: be they good or bad. I am not interested in

747
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 5: that style of leadership. I'm interested in a style of

748
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Speaker 5: leadership that understands that ultimately the buck stops with me,

749
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Speaker 5: and that I have to build a team that speaks

750
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 5: to a wide breadth of opinion, of ideology and of

751
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 5: track record, that not everyone is going to look and

752
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 5: sound and be just like me, and that if I

753
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 5: want a DOT commissioner, all I need to agree with

754
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 5: them on is the vision for DOT, not HPD. And

755
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 5: if I want to hire a deputy mayor, they need

756
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 5: not agree with me on my thoughts on foreign policy.

757
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 5: They need only agree with their purview that they're being

758
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Speaker 5: hired for. Because it comes back to this notion that

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Speaker 5: I think Mayor Koch put it best, which is, if

760
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Speaker 5: you agree with me on nine out of twelve issues,

761
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Speaker 5: vote for me. If you agree with me on twelve

762
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 5: out of twelve, see a psychiatrist. And that speaks to

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Speaker 5: the need to have room for that disagreement and ultimately

764
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Speaker 5: be bound by that pursuit of excellence.

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Speaker 3: During the twenty sixteen presidential campaign, it was a Trump

766
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 3: supporter I'm looking up. It was actually the founder of

767
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 3: Latinos for Trump who said that if Trump didn't win,

768
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Speaker 3: there would be taco trucks on every corner, which sounds

769
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Speaker 3: really good to me.

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Speaker 2: You have also proposed.

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Speaker 3: Neoliberalism for halal cards, which I really like chicken over rice,

772
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Speaker 3: so I'd be very happy to see more of them

773
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Speaker 3: and be cheaper. But I'm curious how far you'd extend.

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Speaker 3: So reduce the permits make it easier to open a

775
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Speaker 3: Increase the permits, yes, oh, increase the number of permits

776
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 3: make it easier, therefore to get.

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Speaker 1: It is true that the halal guys in Midtown, I

778
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: think the original one. You go by there in the

779
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Speaker 1: afternoon and the line stretches around the block. We've kind

780
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Speaker 1: of insane.

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Speaker 5: They used to say, a chicken in every pot. I'm

782
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Speaker 5: saying a helal in every hand.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what about hotels? Their hotel prices are insanely expensive.

784
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Speaker 3: Airbnb is no longer legal. I know someone visiting the

785
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 3: city right now who had to get a place in

786
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Speaker 3: Jersey City because it's just too crazy. In New York,

787
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Speaker 3: it's insanely difficult to build a new hotel, apparently due

788
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Speaker 3: to opposition both from existing hotel owners to new hotels

789
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Speaker 3: for reasons and the hotel worker unions. Do you support

790
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Speaker 3: liberal in the same way that we need more wolog cards?

791
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Speaker 3: Would you support liberalization of hotel development in New York City?

792
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Speaker 5: Now, I am not as interested in the concerns of

793
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Speaker 5: existing hotel owners, but I am very interested in the

794
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Speaker 5: concerns of hotel workers, and I think that that is

795
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Speaker 5: something that I would love to explore. Is there a

796
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Speaker 5: way to expand the number of hotels while ensuring that

797
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Speaker 5: we also retain the protections for those workers, because so

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Speaker 5: often we've seen this very fight, and it's going to

799
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Speaker 5: be one that will intensify in the next year as

800
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Speaker 5: there's contract renegotiations coming to a head during the World Cup,

801
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Speaker 5: where hotel owners have put hotel workers on the front

802
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 5: lines of so much of the work without giving them

803
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Speaker 5: the pay that is requisite for that. With Airbnb, one

804
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Speaker 5: of my concerns has been the transformation of what would

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Speaker 5: be housing into effectively small scale hotels and the proposal

806
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 5: that they're pushing. I think they've currently they're putting I

807
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 5: think more than a million dollars into spending on local races.

808
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Speaker 5: Has the prospect of turning a double digit number of

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Speaker 5: one and two family homes, taking them off of the

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Speaker 5: market and making them these vacant units.

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Speaker 3: I'd just say Tracy is someone who has lived in

812
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Speaker 3: multi family housing my entire life in New York City.

813
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Speaker 3: I'm not thrilled with Airbnb because I like to know

814
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 3: who the neighbors are in my building and sometimes you

815
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:27,919
Speaker 3: get loud, noisy, crazy people.

816
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Speaker 2: Anyway, keep going here.

817
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Speaker 1: Oh, I think that's a concern that a lot of

818
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Speaker 1: people would share. I have just one more question. It's

819
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Speaker 1: the most important one. But you have a little experience

820
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Speaker 1: in Bollywood. I suppose I'm a big Bollywood fan. Everything

821
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Speaker 1: I look I know about cricket I learned from Lagan.

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Speaker 5: Which is great film.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, great film. Okay, So here's my question. Amer Khan

824
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Speaker 1: or Shower Khan, who one.

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Speaker 5: Wow, Why why would you do this to me? Amir

826
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Speaker 5: Khan for my head, chau Khan for my.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that actually makes a lot of sense to me.

828
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Speaker 1: I think I would say a similar thing.

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, why didn't we spend the interview on

830
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Speaker 6: these questions.

831
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Speaker 2: Do a Bollywood episode?

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Speaker 5: I would love to do a Bollywood episode.

833
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Speaker 2: Wait for those who don't know, what is the Bollywood.

834
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Speaker 5: So the body connection is that my mother, her name

835
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 5: is Mira, and I are. She is a filmmaker. She

836
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 5: is an Indian filmmaker who's made a number of films,

837
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Speaker 5: my favorite of which is Mississippi Massala and I actually haven't.

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Speaker 1: Seen that one. I saw Monsoon Wedding and that was great.

839
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Speaker 6: Great film, great film.

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00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 5: You have to see Missip Massala because it's also the

841
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 5: reason that I'm alive. She met my father while researching

842
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Speaker 5: for that film.

843
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Speaker 3: Huh sore and Mom, Donnie, thank you so much for

844
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 3: coming on the thrill that we could.

845
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Speaker 2: Make it happen.

846
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 6: Thank you so much, the pleasure to be here, Tracy.

847
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Speaker 2: If he wins, maybe he'll come back on.

848
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Speaker 3: We can do a Bollywood Well we have, we'd have

849
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 3: a lot of other stuff to talk about. But I

850
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Speaker 3: would definitely, I would definitely. I don't know much about it.

851
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 3: I love Legan, so we should talk more about that sometimes.

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Speaker 1: I really love Bollywood movies. I need to catch Mississippi Massala.

853
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, I mean Moms.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was obviously a very interesting conversation. I

855
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: do think, you know, there's this sort of knee jerk

856
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Speaker 1: reaction against socialism in America for you know, reasons.

857
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Speaker 2: Or reasons reasons.

858
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, examples of some of the stuff

859
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: do exist, and I think the bx's and the military

860
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: commissaries are a really good example of, you know, we

861
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 1: do have subsidized groceries that exist in America, and why

862
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: not have them in New York.

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Speaker 3: I think a really key thing, which is there's this

864
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Speaker 3: bad cycle with the public provision of goods in the US,

865
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Speaker 3: which is just that people look at them and don't

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Speaker 3: think they're particularly well run, and then it's like and

867
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Speaker 3: now you want to have more, and so it's like,

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Speaker 3: you know, like I said, I love the New York

869
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Speaker 3: City subway. I take it every day. What I want

870
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Speaker 3: a grocery store that sort of resembles the New York

871
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Speaker 3: City subway, Probably not, I'm not saying it would. But

872
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Speaker 3: I'm saying this is my experience interfacing with New York

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Speaker 3: City public goods when I want a grocery store that

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Speaker 3: like resembles the bathrooms at Tompkins Square Park or has

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Speaker 3: similar No, not not at all. I mean so I

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Speaker 3: just feel like, like it's fine. I love living in

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Speaker 3: New York City. I think these public provisions are great,

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Speaker 3: and some of them are absolutely incredible, like the libraries.

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Speaker 3: But by and large, I think that the tenders of

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Speaker 3: public goods, for various reasons, have not done a great

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Speaker 3: job of Like, no, these are actually really good services.

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Speaker 1: That's fair, And obviously the government's core competency is probably

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Speaker 1: not running grocery stores right like they wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't n't.

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Speaker 1: They would have to learn a lot in order to

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Speaker 1: get up to speed. But my point is, you know,

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Speaker 1: the commissaries at military bases, they're pretty good, like you

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Speaker 1: can buy everything and service is great. They still bag

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Speaker 1: your groceries at least the last time I was there,

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Speaker 1: So examples do exist. All I'm saying is it's possible.

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Speaker 2: For sure.

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Speaker 3: You know the other thing, and obviously we only had

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Speaker 3: tension between deregulation is good when it's small things like

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Speaker 3: a log cart or Zorn recently didn't add which we

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Speaker 3: didn't get around to talking about, how like, you know,

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Speaker 3: there should be make it easier for bodega owners and

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Speaker 3: you know, less regulations for them, which sounds great.

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Speaker 2: I like, I like all of my like.

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Speaker 3: The three local bodegas within a forty five second walk

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Speaker 3: of basic principles of sort of liberalizing the rules around

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Speaker 3: X not then apply to some of the bigger things

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Speaker 3: such as hotels which are insanely expensive in New York

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Speaker 3: or other areas like real estate.

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Speaker 2: Et cetera.

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Speaker 3: He did mention allowing more single family stairs, so they're

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Speaker 3: all the single family stare nerds on Twitter. Well, I'm

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Speaker 3: sure be very excited about that also, which we talked

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Speaker 3: about episode once.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, we did. Yeah, all right, So this

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Speaker 1: is actually a.

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Speaker 2: Core It is a core Odd Lots episode.

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Speaker 1: Okay, shall we leave it there.

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Speaker 2: Let's leave it there.

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