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Speaker 1: NFL Explained is a production of the NFL in partnership

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Speaker 1: with I Heart Radio. Part I am torn today, I'm robbed.

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Speaker 1: Part of me is happy, part of me it's really sad.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to lean on you heavily in this episode

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Speaker 1: to try to to probably get me to the positive side. Here.

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Speaker 1: You're probably saying, like, why are you sad? Well, I'm

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Speaker 1: sad because the NFL regular season it's over, and like

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's a race to get to the postseason.

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Speaker 1: Now that we're here, I'm like, did I savor the

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Speaker 1: regular season enough? You? Are you? Vi? I've been with me.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel the same way? I understand what you're saying, Yeams,

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Speaker 1: But I mean, this is no time to be sad. Bro.

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Speaker 1: It's the playoffs. It's a whole new season, right. You

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Speaker 1: can get a seven seed find his way into the

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Speaker 1: sweet yet end of the season, But I'm excited it's

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. Yeah. Does it feel like the season went

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Speaker 1: faster now that you're not getting hit anymore? Um? No?

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Speaker 1: Because ms, I'm I'm a guy that cannot sit down,

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Speaker 1: cannot sit still, So what happens is work just seems

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Speaker 1: to find its way into my life. So no, um,

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Speaker 1: this season went by extremely fast, just like it did

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Speaker 1: when I was a player. Okay, all right, fair enough,

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Speaker 1: all right. I think by the end of this episode,

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Speaker 1: I'll get excited again and start thinking about the postseason.

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Speaker 1: But today we're all about awards, right like guys who

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Speaker 1: really have stood out, maybe a cut above the rest.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go through everything. But look, you mentioned the

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Speaker 1: postseason and potentially a seven seed getting here. You know,

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Speaker 1: one of the best things about the NFL. We always

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Speaker 1: talk about the parody in this league. With the playoffs

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Speaker 1: realize legitimately, m rob how much parody there is. In

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Speaker 1: eighteen of the last twenty seasons, at least one team

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Speaker 1: has won its division after finishing last the season prior.

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Speaker 1: That's the Jags this year. What up? And maybe we're

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Speaker 1: talking about coach Peterson for Coach of the the Year, which

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Speaker 1: we'll do a little bit later here on this episod

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Speaker 1: show it. In nineteen of the last twenty seasons, at

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Speaker 1: least two teams won their division after missing the playoffs

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Speaker 1: the season before, so the Jackson obvious one. And how

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Speaker 1: about those Vikings at offense justin Jefferson maybe getting some

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Speaker 1: love for Offensive Player of the Year potentially and Rob.

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Speaker 1: And in the last thirty two seasons since the playoff

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Speaker 1: format has been restructured, at least four teams have made

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Speaker 1: this out, man, it was six the Ravens, the Chargers,

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Speaker 1: and the Jags. I can't get over m Rob what

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Speaker 1: it must be like to be a player in the

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Speaker 1: locker room started the season, think about a lack of

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Speaker 1: you know what, let's just flush it because we can

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Speaker 1: get there. That's what it's all about. And that's what

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Speaker 1: makes with Tom Brady and Bill Belichick did for twenty

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Speaker 1: And that's what you saw from all these teams. You

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Speaker 1: they left Russell Wilson leave. They said, by Russell franchise quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: So people said, a Hall of Famer by Russell. We're

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Speaker 1: to forget about that today, though, this episode is all

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Speaker 1: about awards, Like I made reference to the individual awards

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Speaker 1: that are gonna be handed out at NFL Honors February nine,

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Speaker 1: and Peacock they'll do the whole red carpet thing. I'm

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Speaker 1: all about the m v P. We have been going

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Speaker 1: But let's start with Jalen Hurts. He's playing ridiculously good football.

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Speaker 1: step up there and you see all these colors and

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Speaker 1: all of these bodies moving around, and when you think

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Speaker 1: you know the coverage and you're like, okay, I think

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Speaker 1: I know the coverage. I hope my receiver knows the

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Speaker 1: same coverage. Is that it can get confusing it can

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Speaker 1: can mess you up. But when you you got a

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Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson, all right, I'm gonna put Justin Jefferson on

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Speaker 1: the back side of the three by one by himself, right,

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Speaker 1: put three receivers on one stop with Justin Jefferson by himself,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna see how this defense. I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna look and see what they do. Okay, they're gonna

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Speaker 1: put a corner to his side, They're gonna put a

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Speaker 1: cloud safety to his side. In my head, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: oh my goodness, is raining. That's two on one. That

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Speaker 1: mean they short a guy on the other side of

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Speaker 1: my three receivers. It's not easy. And again, playing quarterback

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Speaker 1: is hard in the National Football League, but it does

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Speaker 1: make it easier to play quarterback, especially when you got

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Speaker 1: guys like you know, to a Tongova who hadn't seen

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Speaker 1: a lot of football in the National Football League and

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Speaker 1: the Kirk Cousins who has seen a lot but hadn't

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Speaker 1: had a lot of success. You need that coverage dictator,

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Speaker 1: especially to make a guy like Kurt feel comfortable. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so you're talking about coverage dictators, and I'm gonna start

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Speaker 1: with Kelsey A hundred and ten receptions for him, so

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Speaker 1: he's a little behind. Tyreek Hill a hundred and nineteen

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Speaker 1: and Justin Jefferson had a hundred and twenty eight. Once again,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about wide receivers in Jefferson Entyreek versus what

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Speaker 1: a tight end is getting not that far behind in

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Speaker 1: terms of receiving yards. Look, Justin Jefferson was a monster

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Speaker 1: over eighteen hundred yards one thousand, eight hundred and nine

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Speaker 1: receiving yards. Tyreek Hill not far behind at one thousand,

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Speaker 1: seven hundred and ten. Travis Kelsey once again at the

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Speaker 1: tight end spot thirteen hundred receiving yards. It's almost unfair

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Speaker 1: to do the comparison because of what Jefferson and Tyreek

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Speaker 1: can do. I mean, Tyreek can catch the ball on

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Speaker 1: a screen and then take an eighty yards, So it's

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Speaker 1: it's a little bit the yak impacts a little bit,

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Speaker 1: But I'm just saying Travis Kelsey not far behind when

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Speaker 1: you consider that he is a tight end. And then

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Speaker 1: in terms of the touchdowns, Jefferson with eight, Tyreek with seven,

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Speaker 1: and this is where it goes in his favor because

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Speaker 1: of the position that he plays at that tight end spot.

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Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey with twelve. So once again, I mean, these

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Speaker 1: are in some ways historic numbers for all three of

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Speaker 1: these guys in different fashions. When you talk about Kelsey's

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Speaker 1: second most receptions, fourth most receiving yards, and the most

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Speaker 1: receiving touchdowns by a tight end in NFL, his tree

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Speaker 1: in a single season, Jefferson in that conversation, and Tyreek

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Speaker 1: for other reasons as well. But look, Patrick Mahomes and

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. We talked about those guys em Rod, but

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Speaker 1: if he said to me offensive player of the Year,

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Speaker 1: I still might lean towards Justin Jefferson. But I think

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Speaker 1: you might be talking me into Kelsey here. Well, I

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Speaker 1: would lean towards Justin Jefferson. Again, you know, that catch

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Speaker 1: against Buffalo did it for me, man, You know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, just the difficulty of it. It did it

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Speaker 1: for me. And then the numbers kind of back up

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Speaker 1: what you see. And then the way the defenses respond

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Speaker 1: to Justin Jefferson to me, it backs up him getting

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Speaker 1: the Offensive Player of the Year. But again, Andy Ree,

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, the chemistry with Travis Kelsey, you just can't

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Speaker 1: overlook that. And again I don't even want to leave

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Speaker 1: to Rich Hill out of this because I think he's

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Speaker 1: a wing back. He's a he's a he's planning a

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Speaker 1: wide receiver position, but he's a running back for real,

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Speaker 1: because he's a tough tackle. I don't want to discount

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Speaker 1: what he does either, But Travis Kelsey Man, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's tough to overlook those numbers and tough to overlook

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Speaker 1: what he does and what he means to an offense. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I do think in a year like this year, it'll

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Speaker 1: be quarterback from VP, which is typically what we get.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think it's going to be a Jalen Hurtter,

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes France Offensive Player of the Year. I think

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be one of the three guys that we

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Speaker 1: made reference to. H If it was up to me,

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Speaker 1: we would have started with defense. Um, but we but

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Speaker 1: we didn't. It's okay, Like I get it. It's like

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Speaker 1: you said, m Rob, it's all about the offense. That's

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Speaker 1: we love scoring. But we've already hit the offensive guys

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Speaker 1: coming up here. I think there's a bevy of names

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Speaker 1: you could throw out there for defensive player of the

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Speaker 1: Year and some rookies who bawled out. I actually with

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Speaker 1: the rookie class on the defensive side. This league is

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Speaker 1: set up for a ton of success moving forward. We'll

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Speaker 1: examine some of those names when we come back on

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Speaker 1: the NFL Explaining Podcast. All right, welcome back to the

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Speaker 1: NFL Explained Podcast. Hey, did I not even say our

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Speaker 1: names at the top of the show. I don't think

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Speaker 1: I did. Know. That's not bad. It's all good, man.

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Speaker 1: We got very recognizable boys. It's all good. He's the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl champ. Michael Robinson, Pike yap with you. All right.

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Speaker 1: We we talked offense to start the show. Let's get

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Speaker 1: into some of the defense. It's disappointing for me because

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Speaker 1: defensive players they're hard nose, they're tough dudes that are

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Speaker 1: out there and impact the game, and yet they don't

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Speaker 1: get nearly enough love because defensive players don't win m

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Speaker 1: v P. It's only happened. I shouldn't say never, but

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Speaker 1: it basically never happens. It's only happened twice in league history.

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Speaker 1: Alan Page, defensive lineman for the Vikings he did in

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Speaker 1: ninety one, also happened to capture, in the process, the

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Speaker 1: fewest percentage of first place votes of all time, with

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Speaker 1: twenty one. They don't like. They don't like the defensive dudes.

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Speaker 1: And then, of course a legend of legends Lawrence Taylor

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Speaker 1: in eighties six twenty and a half sacks, a hundred

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Speaker 1: and five tackles, five passes defended, two forced fumbles, and

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Speaker 1: m Rob, I could see your face meant to do

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Speaker 1: just scary scared. That was six that his rookie year.

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Speaker 1: Was it that he didn't do that in his rookie year?

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Speaker 1: And that might have been just early in his career,

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Speaker 1: but oh my twenty second hive times. I mean, look

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Speaker 1: at that man. Dude was on one. Now, I will

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Speaker 1: say this, I believe he was a part of a

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Speaker 1: defensive scheme that you know, it was kind of new

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Speaker 1: to the National Football League at the time. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying anything about my running backs, but he was

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Speaker 1: up against back to some of those times, and we

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Speaker 1: gave up some sex launce talent. I don't think nobody

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Speaker 1: could really block him, especially running back. So not many

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Speaker 1: people at all that could talk a guy like that's

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Speaker 1: out there. This current version of the NFL has got

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Speaker 1: some freakazoids out there on the defensive side shortlist this year.

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Speaker 1: Michael Parsons has got to be there. I'll throw in

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Speaker 1: what's name just because when he's healthy, he's obviously kind

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Speaker 1: of crazy. I mean, think about what Parsons would have been.

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Speaker 1: How look, I mean I shouldn't say what he would

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Speaker 1: have been. How we discussed him was ridiculously high praise.

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Speaker 1: You know, t J. Wattell had had a sack record,

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Speaker 1: so obviously he's in that conversation. Miles Garrett continues to

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Speaker 1: be an absolute unster her I'll throw up both bosses,

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Speaker 1: but Nick has also just specifically for one of the

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Speaker 1: best defenses we've seen this year, historically good defense for

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Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty nine. You tell me I'm rob.

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Speaker 1: Is there a name that stands out to you as

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Speaker 1: you continue to watch the tape? Nick Bo? I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I missed. Nobody's Nick Bos for me this year. The

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Speaker 1: dude is an animal. It was only three games where

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Speaker 1: he didn't have any sacks this year eighteen and a

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Speaker 1: half sex, two forced fumbles, nineteen tackles for laws. He

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Speaker 1: can beat you with just a bull rush. He can speed,

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Speaker 1: the power, he can just get around you. He plays

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Speaker 1: the run, he has a spin move, he has a

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Speaker 1: counter move. He I mean, there's nothing from a defensive

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Speaker 1: line of standpoint that this dude can't do, and when

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Speaker 1: he's not out there, the defense looks different. To me.

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Speaker 1: He's clearly the defensive player of the year. And just

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Speaker 1: kind of how do we talked about before about how

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Speaker 1: coverage dictates are with the wide receivers and helping the

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Speaker 1: quarterback play a little bit better. Well, let me tell

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Speaker 1: you something about Nick Bosa. When he's on the field,

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Speaker 1: all offensive lines are sliding that way, all of them

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00:28:18,706 --> 00:28:20,506
Speaker 1: are sliding that way, or you're gonna have a tight

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Speaker 1: end there or back there. He's gonna affect how many

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Speaker 1: guys you get out in the route because you just

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Speaker 1: gotta make sure that you take care of Nick Bosa.

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Speaker 1: For me, yeah, he's a defensive player deal this year. Now.

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Speaker 1: I mean you also mentioned my guy, Michael Parson's Pence

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Speaker 1: State to love to dude, love love him. I call

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Speaker 1: him the natural games He's the natural. To know, he

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Speaker 1: played off the ball linebacker for as much as he

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Speaker 1: did at Penn State and all of that, and they

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Speaker 1: had him rushing from like the second level. He didn't

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Speaker 1: play much as a defensive end rushing the quarterback. And

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Speaker 1: then he gets in the National Football League and goes

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Speaker 1: Ham rushing the quarterback right Like, to me, that's pretty

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00:28:56,546 --> 00:28:59,226
Speaker 1: specials and he has a natural pass rush to him.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I think he complains a lot, And I think

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Speaker 1: he would say that too if he when he looks

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Speaker 1: back at the film this year about all the hold

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Speaker 1: of the medal of this that in the third I mean,

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Speaker 1: come on, man, that's what they're gonna do to one

593
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Speaker 1: of the top pass rushers in the National Football League.

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Speaker 1: And there's times where he disappears. To me, Nick Bosa

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00:29:15,786 --> 00:29:18,426
Speaker 1: never disappears, So yeah, that's why I would give it

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00:29:18,426 --> 00:29:20,626
Speaker 1: the Nick bos throwing this out there. Bos eighteen and

597
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Speaker 1: a half sacks this season that leads the NFL, parts

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Speaker 1: in seventh in the NFL and sacks at thirteen and

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Speaker 1: a half, and Miles Garrett has got six team, which

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Speaker 1: is the second highest total Miles Garrett. I love Myles Garrett.

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Speaker 1: I I think he's the most the most physically gifted

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Speaker 1: player in the National Football League. I believe that. I

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00:29:45,466 --> 00:29:49,666
Speaker 1: just believe he's only getting by by Tyler telling I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I'm not saying he's not a worker. I

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00:29:51,746 --> 00:29:54,706
Speaker 1: believe he's a worker in all of those things. But again,

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Speaker 1: there's times in a game where you're like his Miles

607
00:29:57,226 --> 00:30:01,186
Speaker 1: Garrett playing and for god, I's built like that. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: You're supposed to have an effect like Aaron Donald, You're

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Speaker 1: supposed to have an effect like t J. Watt. You're

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Speaker 1: supposed to in effect like Nick Bosa, like these guys,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know, it's just there's times he just

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Speaker 1: didn't show up. I want to shift our attention to

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Speaker 1: some of the young guys, em Rob, the rookies. I'm

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Speaker 1: not surprised that we're having the conversation around wide receivers

615
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Speaker 1: because there's been so many this season who have been

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Speaker 1: really good. Garrett Wilson certainly comes to my Christian Watson

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Speaker 1: what he was able to do at the end of

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Speaker 1: the season really coming on Strong Sunday Night of Week eighteen,

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Speaker 1: there was that quote from Watson. I maybe it was

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Speaker 1: Collinsworth who relayed the story, but he said, there was

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Speaker 1: a moment where I was thinking to myself, like I

622
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Speaker 1: don't want to let Aaron Rodgers down, you know, like

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Speaker 1: you could sort of tell like as the season went on,

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Speaker 1: he just got more comfortable being a teammate to Aaron

625
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Speaker 1: Rodgers as opposed to looking at him like, oh my god,

626
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Speaker 1: like that dude's Aaron Rodgers, Crystal Lave throughout the course

627
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Speaker 1: of the entire season, really really productive. I thought Kenneth

628
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Speaker 1: Walker was the difference maker for Seattle down the stretch.

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Speaker 1: Damian Pearce came on kind of like Gangbusters earlier in

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Speaker 1: this season, did cool a little bit it, But I

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Speaker 1: felt like every time you watch one of those games

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Speaker 1: and Rob the defensive line was already in the backfield

633
00:31:10,866 --> 00:31:13,066
Speaker 1: every time dam and Pierre Scott got the football, that

634
00:31:13,106 --> 00:31:15,466
Speaker 1: was tough sledding for him. Uh. And I'll throw up

635
00:31:15,466 --> 00:31:18,466
Speaker 1: brock Purty. How about this, dude, Mr Irrelevant? You're the

636
00:31:18,546 --> 00:31:21,066
Speaker 1: last pick in the NFL draft in what was perceived

637
00:31:21,106 --> 00:31:24,146
Speaker 1: as a not great quarterback class, and yet you got

638
00:31:24,186 --> 00:31:26,306
Speaker 1: an opportunity to lead the team to a super Bowl

639
00:31:26,346 --> 00:31:29,026
Speaker 1: here five and oh as a starter? Why not have him?

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Speaker 1: Maybe in that conversation for Rookie Offensive Rookie of the Year,

641
00:31:32,026 --> 00:31:34,226
Speaker 1: I think if you would have been playing like since

642
00:31:34,346 --> 00:31:37,906
Speaker 1: like Week three or four. Yeah, but no five games Jams,

643
00:31:37,946 --> 00:31:42,506
Speaker 1: absolutely not no. And yes, Cayle Shanahan has done a

644
00:31:42,546 --> 00:31:46,186
Speaker 1: marvelous job manufacturing offense and help him Brock Purty out,

645
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Speaker 1: And I think he's played well. He really has. He

646
00:31:47,866 --> 00:31:49,666
Speaker 1: has a little he has some moxia bottle. But at

647
00:31:49,666 --> 00:31:51,706
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I just the sample size

648
00:31:51,786 --> 00:31:54,026
Speaker 1: is it just didn't big enough for me. Kenneth Walker

649
00:31:54,146 --> 00:31:56,586
Speaker 1: is the offensive rookie of the Year from me. When

650
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Speaker 1: he was coming out, I said, this was my top

651
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Speaker 1: back in the draft last year. I did not call

652
00:32:01,226 --> 00:32:03,986
Speaker 1: him the Danny. I called him the Danny knishe you

653
00:32:04,026 --> 00:32:05,706
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, just because when I watched him

654
00:32:05,746 --> 00:32:08,106
Speaker 1: gonna take he kind of looks like him. I'm not

655
00:32:08,146 --> 00:32:10,746
Speaker 1: saying he has the long speed, not saying he's gonna

656
00:32:10,746 --> 00:32:13,106
Speaker 1: be all Hall of Famer, but he just attacks the

657
00:32:13,146 --> 00:32:16,546
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage like LT and so um. Yeah, man,

658
00:32:16,586 --> 00:32:19,666
Speaker 1: I think he was the foundation for the Seahawks offense.

659
00:32:20,066 --> 00:32:22,426
Speaker 1: He had over a thousand yards um of a sharp

660
00:32:22,506 --> 00:32:24,586
Speaker 1: penny went down earlier in this season. He stepped right

661
00:32:24,626 --> 00:32:27,466
Speaker 1: in and got going. They had two rookie tackles on

662
00:32:27,466 --> 00:32:30,066
Speaker 1: the house side and he still got a thousand yards.

663
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Speaker 1: And yeah, he finished the year with three hundred yard games.

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Speaker 1: Even had a hundred and sixty seven yard game against

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Speaker 1: the Charges earlier in this season. This dude can run

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Speaker 1: the football. And my old coach Pete Carroll. I finally

667
00:32:42,106 --> 00:32:44,986
Speaker 1: seen him smiling and like, looked like he was having

668
00:32:45,026 --> 00:32:46,866
Speaker 1: fun again. I hadn't seen him looked like he was

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Speaker 1: having fun in a long time. And and if I

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00:32:48,986 --> 00:32:50,666
Speaker 1: had to put my finger on it, to me, it's

671
00:32:50,706 --> 00:32:53,506
Speaker 1: because of the run games, because uh, you know, it's

672
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Speaker 1: it's laid the foundation for what Geno Smith was able

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Speaker 1: to do and be one of the most accurate pastors

674
00:32:58,546 --> 00:33:00,746
Speaker 1: and all the football this year through play action passing

675
00:33:00,786 --> 00:33:03,946
Speaker 1: from that Shane Waldron offense. But it starts with Kenneth Walker,

676
00:33:03,986 --> 00:33:06,746
Speaker 1: the third scaring opposing defense. This dude can get through

677
00:33:06,746 --> 00:33:09,266
Speaker 1: little cracks and crevices. Then not a lot of backs came.

678
00:33:09,666 --> 00:33:12,346
Speaker 1: Look at that was the recipe for success when you

679
00:33:12,426 --> 00:33:14,866
Speaker 1: were there in Seattle, right, you had beast mode and

680
00:33:15,466 --> 00:33:18,586
Speaker 1: things worked out pretty pretty well there. Kenneth Walker by

681
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Speaker 1: the way, leading all rookies and rushing yards and rushing touchdowns.

682
00:33:21,826 --> 00:33:23,906
Speaker 1: To be fair, Damian Pierce didn't play the last four

683
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Speaker 1: weeks of the season, but on the front end, Kenneth

684
00:33:26,746 --> 00:33:28,946
Speaker 1: Walker wasn't out there at the beginning of the season,

685
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Speaker 1: so nonetheless huge impact. I think there's a really strong

686
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Speaker 1: case for Garrett Wilson, Jets wide receiver, eighty three catches

687
00:33:35,146 --> 00:33:37,946
Speaker 1: for him over an eleven hundred receiving yards. Can you

688
00:33:37,986 --> 00:33:41,026
Speaker 1: imagine if there was a more steady fixture at the

689
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Speaker 1: quarterback spot for Gang Green. I mean, it's impressive that

690
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Speaker 1: he did what he did, knowing the revolving to our

691
00:33:45,706 --> 00:33:48,626
Speaker 1: quarterback that they had. Very impressive, And it was hard

692
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Speaker 1: for me not to talk about those Ohio State receivers

693
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Speaker 1: because I'm gonna be honest with you, Dan, I'm just

694
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Speaker 1: gonna keep it real. And maybe it's because I went

695
00:33:55,746 --> 00:33:58,346
Speaker 1: to Vince State. I think those guys are gonna be

696
00:33:58,466 --> 00:34:01,386
Speaker 1: as good I did. I looked down at Crystal Love

697
00:34:01,786 --> 00:34:04,946
Speaker 1: with the Saints, especially when I saw Jameis Winston wasn't

698
00:34:04,946 --> 00:34:07,786
Speaker 1: gonna get the nod like, Okay, Andy Dalton. You know

699
00:34:07,866 --> 00:34:10,106
Speaker 1: they don't have Sean Payton. Ain't no way this man

700
00:34:10,146 --> 00:34:12,266
Speaker 1: gonna get a thousand yards. He goes out there and

701
00:34:12,346 --> 00:34:15,066
Speaker 1: just and becomes pretty dominant towards the end of the

702
00:34:15,066 --> 00:34:18,306
Speaker 1: season as well. Garrett Wilson early in the season, No way,

703
00:34:18,346 --> 00:34:20,466
Speaker 1: I didn't. I thought this dude was gonna look like this.

704
00:34:20,586 --> 00:34:23,466
Speaker 1: Late in the season, he's catching passes, getting up talking.

705
00:34:23,546 --> 00:34:26,386
Speaker 1: I mean, he looked like he belonged. And I remember

706
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Speaker 1: being a rookie myself, Yams, and I remember always calling

707
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Speaker 1: my brother back at home, like, Yo, did you watch

708
00:34:31,906 --> 00:34:33,546
Speaker 1: the game? Did you watch the game? And the first

709
00:34:33,626 --> 00:34:35,626
Speaker 1: question all rookies want to know is how did I

710
00:34:35,746 --> 00:34:39,386
Speaker 1: look like? Forget about the numbers, but did I look

711
00:34:39,466 --> 00:34:41,426
Speaker 1: like I was supposed to be out there? Like? Do

712
00:34:41,546 --> 00:34:43,186
Speaker 1: I look like I'm a little kid out there? Do

713
00:34:43,266 --> 00:34:44,786
Speaker 1: I look like a man? You know what? I look

714
00:34:44,826 --> 00:34:47,106
Speaker 1: like I'm supposed to be out there with NFL players?

715
00:34:47,226 --> 00:34:50,066
Speaker 1: And this dude, Garrett Wilson, Man, I think it was

716
00:34:50,106 --> 00:34:52,866
Speaker 1: probably week six or seven. Man, he just exploded it.

717
00:34:52,946 --> 00:34:54,826
Speaker 1: Because that kid has a bright future. He got eight

718
00:34:54,906 --> 00:34:57,586
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that she sold up in um with New York. Yeah,

719
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Speaker 1: that's a big question for the off season that they're

720
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Speaker 1: gonna have to figure out. All right, Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the NFL Explained Podcasts. Mike Yam and Rob with you.

722
00:35:12,666 --> 00:35:14,786
Speaker 1: I know, I loved up Boston just a little bit.

723
00:35:14,986 --> 00:35:16,866
Speaker 1: It was like he was rolling out of bed at

724
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Speaker 1: the end of the season and just finding a way

725
00:35:18,506 --> 00:35:20,906
Speaker 1: into the end zone. Uh tied for the lead among

726
00:35:20,986 --> 00:35:24,186
Speaker 1: rookies with nine total touchdowns. So just a little bit

727
00:35:24,226 --> 00:35:26,266
Speaker 1: of a hat tip and give some credit where credit

728
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Speaker 1: is due with the with the wide receiver defensive Rookie

729
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Speaker 1: of the Year. To me, this is awesome for as

730
00:35:31,426 --> 00:35:33,746
Speaker 1: much as we can talk about the offensive players this

731
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Speaker 1: rookie class, on the defensive side, I'll actually start with

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Speaker 1: Seattle Tarik Willem. This was a guy that was a

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Speaker 1: converted wide receiver at U t S A fastest dude.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we watched that combine. Are you kidding me?

735
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Speaker 1: With that four to six? Ridiculous? And rob he has

736
00:35:49,186 --> 00:35:52,906
Speaker 1: balled out. I don't know if he is defensive Rookie

737
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Speaker 1: of the Year. Jalen Petrie is certainly a guy that

738
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Speaker 1: comes to mind. Aidan Hutchinson's another player I don't think

739
00:35:58,626 --> 00:36:01,266
Speaker 1: we talked nearly enough about. James Houston. Got to see

740
00:36:01,346 --> 00:36:04,146
Speaker 1: him in person before the draft. This is an HBCU

741
00:36:04,226 --> 00:36:07,106
Speaker 1: kid out of Jackson State and granted had some experience

742
00:36:07,106 --> 00:36:09,826
Speaker 1: of the Power five level before a transfer. He has

743
00:36:09,866 --> 00:36:13,186
Speaker 1: been a monster for Detroit. Sauce Gardner speaking of the Jets,

744
00:36:13,266 --> 00:36:16,026
Speaker 1: my god, like, think about these guys who have really

745
00:36:16,306 --> 00:36:19,386
Speaker 1: thrived in your number one. That's not easy to do

746
00:36:19,426 --> 00:36:21,946
Speaker 1: on the defensive side. I'm rob not easy at all.

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Speaker 1: So you mentioned Tyreek Willing. First. I called the Seahawks

748
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Speaker 1: preseason games. Hopefully I'll do it again this upcoming preseason.

749
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Speaker 1: And one of the first guys I ran into when

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Speaker 1: I was up there was Tyreek Willing and Pete Carroll

751
00:36:33,546 --> 00:36:36,386
Speaker 1: was he was smiling. He was like, Mike, Dude, I

752
00:36:36,466 --> 00:36:38,986
Speaker 1: got it, I got one. I got one of those guys.

753
00:36:38,986 --> 00:36:42,706
Speaker 1: I'm like, what you're talking about. Pete loves big, long corners.

754
00:36:42,786 --> 00:36:46,546
Speaker 1: I E Brandon Browner, I E Richard Sherman. Right, this

755
00:36:46,706 --> 00:36:49,946
Speaker 1: dude's longer than Richard Sherman. He's bigger than Richard Sherman,

756
00:36:50,066 --> 00:36:52,746
Speaker 1: and he's a lot faster. I don't know about seeing

757
00:36:52,786 --> 00:36:54,906
Speaker 1: a guy that big pick him up and put him

758
00:36:54,946 --> 00:36:57,306
Speaker 1: down like we see Tyreek Willing do. And I remember

759
00:36:57,306 --> 00:37:00,346
Speaker 1: talking to Clinton Hurts, the defense coordinator for the Seattle Seahawks,

760
00:37:00,426 --> 00:37:02,546
Speaker 1: during the preseason, and he was like, Mike, this kid

761
00:37:02,586 --> 00:37:05,106
Speaker 1: is special. I just want to see him tap. And

762
00:37:05,106 --> 00:37:06,946
Speaker 1: in the first couple of games of the season, he

763
00:37:06,986 --> 00:37:09,426
Speaker 1: went out there, he tackled, he showed he wasn't scared,

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Speaker 1: and he made a Pro Bowl. So, yeah, Tyree Willing

765
00:37:12,426 --> 00:37:15,826
Speaker 1: is a dog. But for me, it's Aidan Hutcherson. Aidan

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Speaker 1: Hutchinson from game one, from snap one to the last

767
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Speaker 1: snap he had this past weekend against the Green Bay

768
00:37:23,466 --> 00:37:26,266
Speaker 1: Packers knocking him out the playoffs. He has looked like

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Speaker 1: he belonged in the National football and he has looked

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Speaker 1: like a five or six year beat. I mean, really, man,

771
00:37:31,106 --> 00:37:36,626
Speaker 1: I mean fundamentally sound, strong hands, understand hand play, understand

772
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Speaker 1: how to share blockers. Reminds me of a Khalil mac

773
00:37:39,906 --> 00:37:42,426
Speaker 1: in that regard. Not his complete game reminds me of

774
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Speaker 1: Khalil Mack, but just the way he shares and get

775
00:37:44,826 --> 00:37:48,426
Speaker 1: after the quarterback and then like the splash plays that

776
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Speaker 1: he's had. Man, he's got interceptions and everything interceptions this

777
00:37:53,586 --> 00:37:54,946
Speaker 1: year and one of them he was just kind of

778
00:37:55,026 --> 00:37:56,706
Speaker 1: looked like he was having out on the sideline it.

779
00:37:56,866 --> 00:37:59,266
Speaker 1: I mean, he caught it right. Talbody had as much

780
00:37:59,306 --> 00:38:02,306
Speaker 1: fun and it's entire life playing football. I just think

781
00:38:02,746 --> 00:38:05,306
Speaker 1: he's part of that new energy that Coach Campbell has

782
00:38:05,306 --> 00:38:08,226
Speaker 1: brought in the Detroit. To me, he was clearly the

783
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Speaker 1: rookie defense. Now I can't say clearly because Sauce Gardener,

784
00:38:12,666 --> 00:38:15,146
Speaker 1: some some quarterbacks didn't even look over there. They don't

785
00:38:15,186 --> 00:38:17,866
Speaker 1: want to go there, you go. They don't even want

786
00:38:17,866 --> 00:38:20,386
Speaker 1: to look over there. Dude, he's got that field covered.

787
00:38:20,746 --> 00:38:24,106
Speaker 1: And to me, it was surprising the respect that a

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Speaker 1: rookie corner got from quarterbacks in this league. I I

789
00:38:26,946 --> 00:38:29,426
Speaker 1: really hadn't seen that type of respect from a Jets

790
00:38:29,546 --> 00:38:33,346
Speaker 1: player since Darrell Reevers had his island over there. Um

791
00:38:33,746 --> 00:38:36,386
Speaker 1: Rex Ryan defenses. So yeah, man, for me, it had

792
00:38:36,466 --> 00:38:38,506
Speaker 1: to be eight hunches. You know, it's funny you mentioned

793
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Speaker 1: that because I'm thinking about the NFL Draft, which is

794
00:38:40,626 --> 00:38:43,226
Speaker 1: around the corner. I've been getting my notes ready on

795
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Speaker 1: some of these guys here. It does put into questions

796
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Speaker 1: the conversations that we have about some of these defensive

797
00:38:48,946 --> 00:38:51,106
Speaker 1: players like Souce Gardner. We we knew we'd be good.

798
00:38:51,266 --> 00:38:53,346
Speaker 1: We thought he'd be good. He's kicked out of Cincinnati though,

799
00:38:53,386 --> 00:38:55,306
Speaker 1: like he just didn't know. You were talking about level

800
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Speaker 1: of competition. Remember we were discussing about Aiden Hutchinson. Oh

801
00:38:58,546 --> 00:39:01,026
Speaker 1: safe pick, Like is he is he close to his ceiling?

802
00:39:01,146 --> 00:39:03,906
Speaker 1: Like it's just like, oh, okay, terk Wolin a little

803
00:39:03,906 --> 00:39:06,466
Speaker 1: bit of a steel. Late in the draft, you see interceptions.

804
00:39:06,546 --> 00:39:10,666
Speaker 1: This guy's got here and yet thriving on the football field.

805
00:39:10,706 --> 00:39:12,986
Speaker 1: It really it's kind of cool to see some of

806
00:39:13,066 --> 00:39:16,786
Speaker 1: these guys have success early on in their career. M Rob,

807
00:39:17,106 --> 00:39:19,386
Speaker 1: And know what the conversation on the draft was, like,

808
00:39:19,466 --> 00:39:21,386
Speaker 1: give these dudes an opportunity, Let's see how they play.

809
00:39:21,466 --> 00:39:23,946
Speaker 1: Brock Purdy was Mr. Irrelevant And look at what he's

810
00:39:23,986 --> 00:39:26,666
Speaker 1: doing right now. And he's out there and he's given

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00:39:26,706 --> 00:39:30,186
Speaker 1: an opportunity to play. And that's why. You know, I

812
00:39:30,306 --> 00:39:32,266
Speaker 1: do some life coaching with young kids in high school

813
00:39:32,306 --> 00:39:34,266
Speaker 1: and college and things like that, and I'm just like, dude,

814
00:39:34,346 --> 00:39:36,866
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. You just need to get there. You're

815
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Speaker 1: gonna get it. If you get there, you get an opportunity.

816
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Speaker 1: Don't look at where where you were draft and don't

817
00:39:42,186 --> 00:39:43,946
Speaker 1: take it as a slide or whatever. If you want

818
00:39:43,986 --> 00:39:45,906
Speaker 1: to keep that little chip on your shoulder to use

819
00:39:45,946 --> 00:39:48,826
Speaker 1: it as motivation, that's one thing, but don't don't don't

820
00:39:48,866 --> 00:39:51,306
Speaker 1: get upset about it. You when you get your opportunity

821
00:39:51,306 --> 00:39:54,306
Speaker 1: to go, ball out. Guy like Brock Purty, he's done that. Yeah,

822
00:39:54,426 --> 00:39:55,986
Speaker 1: em Rob, you know a lot of times and I

823
00:39:56,066 --> 00:39:57,506
Speaker 1: know you do this too. You get asked to go

824
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Speaker 1: as a guest on radio shows. This morning, I was

825
00:39:59,746 --> 00:40:02,186
Speaker 1: a guest on one and the last question they asked

826
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Speaker 1: me is the question I'll ask you. It was who

827
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Speaker 1: to be coach of the Year. I had zero hesitation

828
00:40:08,626 --> 00:40:11,146
Speaker 1: and went right for the juggular with the guy that

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00:40:11,266 --> 00:40:13,146
Speaker 1: I think should be coach of the Year. But I

830
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Speaker 1: will lay this out here. There's there's some really good candidates.

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00:40:16,986 --> 00:40:20,026
Speaker 1: And just for context, if you go back and look

832
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Speaker 1: at the team's record the year following their head coach

833
00:40:24,466 --> 00:40:27,386
Speaker 1: winning head Coach of the Year honors, those teams have

834
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Speaker 1: a winning percentage of just fifty percent. So for as

835
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Speaker 1: good as we can love up some of these guys, man,

836
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Speaker 1: it's some work. It's it's not over after this season,

837
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Speaker 1: so there's always a little bit of a catch here.

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Speaker 1: I'll throw out some of the candidates. Nick Sirianni comes

839
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Speaker 1: to mind. Eagles one seed. A lot of times we

840
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Speaker 1: might just gravitate towards the team that's got just the

841
00:40:46,666 --> 00:40:48,746
Speaker 1: best record and look at what they've done. So I

842
00:40:48,786 --> 00:40:51,026
Speaker 1: think Sirianni's name will be there. I don't think he wins, though.

843
00:40:51,266 --> 00:40:55,506
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan a two seed in the NFC third quarterback

844
00:40:55,666 --> 00:40:59,546
Speaker 1: this season, another rookie who's out there. Maybe sort of

845
00:40:59,786 --> 00:41:03,586
Speaker 1: there's Ryan dave Ball. Here we go the Giants. I mean,

846
00:41:03,986 --> 00:41:05,386
Speaker 1: you would have told the Giants fan they be in

847
00:41:05,426 --> 00:41:07,586
Speaker 1: the post season. I think you make an argument through

848
00:41:07,626 --> 00:41:10,706
Speaker 1: the most underrated team in the NFC in the postseason

849
00:41:10,786 --> 00:41:13,786
Speaker 1: picture first time since. Look at the wide receivers that

850
00:41:13,866 --> 00:41:16,266
Speaker 1: he's got out there, They're still making plays. Are you

851
00:41:16,386 --> 00:41:19,106
Speaker 1: kidding me? Does it sound like I just said who

852
00:41:19,186 --> 00:41:24,426
Speaker 1: I'm going with you? I am a little bit a

853
00:41:24,466 --> 00:41:26,906
Speaker 1: little bit? Uh, Doug Peterson, look at the turnaround for

854
00:41:26,946 --> 00:41:29,386
Speaker 1: the Jags, and I'll throw this out there. I don't

855
00:41:29,546 --> 00:41:33,546
Speaker 1: know if Sean McDermott gets this in Buffalo, gets this award,

856
00:41:34,186 --> 00:41:37,106
Speaker 1: but I gotta tell you, I look at him on

857
00:41:37,146 --> 00:41:40,426
Speaker 1: the sidelines all these years and I go stock kind

858
00:41:40,426 --> 00:41:44,746
Speaker 1: of hard nosed. You know what we witnessed over the

859
00:41:44,826 --> 00:41:48,466
Speaker 1: last you know, few days on Damar Hamlin and his

860
00:41:48,666 --> 00:41:51,746
Speaker 1: handling in that situation, hearing the comments from Zach Taylor

861
00:41:51,826 --> 00:41:54,506
Speaker 1: about what the dialogue was like on the football field

862
00:41:54,586 --> 00:41:56,746
Speaker 1: and Noah and that mcdermot's like, yo, man, like I

863
00:41:56,866 --> 00:41:59,266
Speaker 1: can't coach. I gotta go to the hospital here. That

864
00:41:59,506 --> 00:42:01,186
Speaker 1: human element. I don't know if he wins Coach of

865
00:42:01,226 --> 00:42:03,026
Speaker 1: the Year. I just think this is a good opportunity

866
00:42:03,186 --> 00:42:06,546
Speaker 1: just to hat to yo, man like, awesome job by you,

867
00:42:06,586 --> 00:42:09,146
Speaker 1: because that's not that's not easy, it's not. I mean

868
00:42:09,226 --> 00:42:12,306
Speaker 1: all these guys you mentioned, they have a level of

869
00:42:12,466 --> 00:42:15,026
Speaker 1: realness to him. That's why I love him, all all

870
00:42:15,106 --> 00:42:18,146
Speaker 1: of them. I wouldn't care if anybody you just named

871
00:42:18,546 --> 00:42:21,306
Speaker 1: one coach of the year. Seriously, they have a level

872
00:42:21,346 --> 00:42:25,186
Speaker 1: of realness about them, in authenticity that I think helps

873
00:42:25,226 --> 00:42:27,826
Speaker 1: their teams out and it permeates throughout the locker room.

874
00:42:28,186 --> 00:42:30,706
Speaker 1: It gives their players a sense of self, a sense

875
00:42:30,746 --> 00:42:33,306
Speaker 1: of community, a sense of family. You know what I'm saying.

876
00:42:33,626 --> 00:42:36,426
Speaker 1: I mean, Nick Sirianni. I mean some of the press

877
00:42:36,466 --> 00:42:39,026
Speaker 1: conferences he's done, the way he's had Jalen Hurts back

878
00:42:39,106 --> 00:42:43,026
Speaker 1: throughout the entire season, the way he's managed the different personalities.

879
00:42:43,186 --> 00:42:44,226
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Because when you have a

880
00:42:44,266 --> 00:42:48,706
Speaker 1: good roster, trust me, and there's personalities you have to manage. Okay,

881
00:42:48,786 --> 00:42:50,946
Speaker 1: that's part of it. You know what I'm saying. Kyle Shanahan,

882
00:42:51,506 --> 00:42:54,066
Speaker 1: you thought you were starting to season off of one quarterback,

883
00:42:54,146 --> 00:42:56,146
Speaker 1: This quarterback that you moved up in the draft to

884
00:42:56,186 --> 00:42:59,146
Speaker 1: go get. You told your starting quarterback that got you

885
00:42:59,226 --> 00:43:01,026
Speaker 1: to a Super Bowl a couple of years ago. Hey man,

886
00:43:01,466 --> 00:43:03,346
Speaker 1: sit off to the side. A matter of fact, don't

887
00:43:03,386 --> 00:43:05,866
Speaker 1: he show up to the building no more, because you're

888
00:43:05,866 --> 00:43:07,626
Speaker 1: gonna have a you know, you will be a distraction

889
00:43:07,706 --> 00:43:09,346
Speaker 1: for the guy we really want to play quarterback. The

890
00:43:09,386 --> 00:43:11,466
Speaker 1: guy we really want to play quarterback gets hurt now.

891
00:43:11,746 --> 00:43:13,386
Speaker 1: The guy we told us that we got to come

892
00:43:13,426 --> 00:43:15,426
Speaker 1: in I mean just so much. And now you're playing

893
00:43:15,586 --> 00:43:18,226
Speaker 1: with Black Purdy, Mr. Development. He deserves that. Brian day

894
00:43:18,266 --> 00:43:20,546
Speaker 1: Ball is winning with Daniel Jones. That's what it is.

895
00:43:21,866 --> 00:43:26,426
Speaker 1: Call me, I would have to go with Sean McDermott.

896
00:43:26,626 --> 00:43:31,106
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to be able to manage a team through

897
00:43:31,386 --> 00:43:33,746
Speaker 1: some of the things that this team had to deal

898
00:43:33,786 --> 00:43:37,586
Speaker 1: with this year. Whether it's the weather and they had

899
00:43:37,586 --> 00:43:40,066
Speaker 1: a home game they found out in a week, Oh

900
00:43:40,146 --> 00:43:41,786
Speaker 1: you know what, we're not playing here. You gonna get snow.

901
00:43:41,866 --> 00:43:43,546
Speaker 1: Then we're gonna figure out a way to take you

902
00:43:43,706 --> 00:43:46,746
Speaker 1: to Detroit. It's gonna count as your home game, but

903
00:43:46,866 --> 00:43:49,626
Speaker 1: you're away, you know what I'm saying. And they dealt

904
00:43:49,666 --> 00:43:51,746
Speaker 1: with that, They dealt with all the weather. They're in Buffalo.

905
00:43:51,826 --> 00:43:53,906
Speaker 1: You dealt with the death of Dawson Knox's brother who

906
00:43:54,266 --> 00:43:56,906
Speaker 1: you know, Dawson is a cheap figure in that organization.

907
00:43:56,986 --> 00:43:59,266
Speaker 1: So it touched a lot of guys in that locker room.

908
00:43:59,786 --> 00:44:03,706
Speaker 1: And then obviously, Damar Hamlin. I mean to to hear

909
00:44:03,906 --> 00:44:07,386
Speaker 1: the stories and hear, you know, coach McDermott recount with

910
00:44:07,826 --> 00:44:10,426
Speaker 1: you know, the decisions that were made in this thought process.

911
00:44:10,786 --> 00:44:14,586
Speaker 1: He was very transparent throughout his press conferences and everything,

912
00:44:15,506 --> 00:44:19,106
Speaker 1: and Yams, I don't know how many human beings would

913
00:44:19,106 --> 00:44:21,586
Speaker 1: have been able to get the locker room full of

914
00:44:21,666 --> 00:44:25,386
Speaker 1: fifty three men ready to go out there after seeing that.

915
00:44:26,266 --> 00:44:29,306
Speaker 1: I mean, we're glad he Ams, and to have that

916
00:44:29,386 --> 00:44:33,626
Speaker 1: happened on a football field while they were playing, that's everything.

917
00:44:33,666 --> 00:44:36,186
Speaker 1: I talked to a lot of guys throughout this past week,

918
00:44:36,266 --> 00:44:37,786
Speaker 1: and there were a lot of guys that were like, yo,

919
00:44:38,586 --> 00:44:42,506
Speaker 1: I probably would have sent them my retirement papers. I'm

920
00:44:42,746 --> 00:44:44,866
Speaker 1: I'm back, you know what I mean? I know guys

921
00:44:44,906 --> 00:44:48,066
Speaker 1: that said that to me. And for him to have

922
00:44:48,306 --> 00:44:50,906
Speaker 1: the week that he had and get those guys motivated

923
00:44:51,466 --> 00:44:54,506
Speaker 1: to go out there and play the New England Patriots.

924
00:44:54,546 --> 00:44:56,746
Speaker 1: One of the greatest coaches in Bill Belichick of all time.

925
00:44:56,786 --> 00:44:59,026
Speaker 1: He was gonna have his team ready, he did. I

926
00:44:59,066 --> 00:45:01,826
Speaker 1: mean that that says something, man. And you know I

927
00:45:01,946 --> 00:45:06,226
Speaker 1: tweeted that after the game, after the Bill's game that mcdermo,

928
00:45:06,266 --> 00:45:07,946
Speaker 1: so I need to get that man a bill something.

929
00:45:08,266 --> 00:45:12,586
Speaker 1: Just just chill out and take a breath, um, because

930
00:45:12,586 --> 00:45:16,226
Speaker 1: I just think it's very difficult to deal with those circumstances.

931
00:45:16,306 --> 00:45:19,546
Speaker 1: Then you got your y'all star quarterbacks saying I don't

932
00:45:19,626 --> 00:45:23,026
Speaker 1: know if anybody could have handled it better. And then

933
00:45:23,186 --> 00:45:25,666
Speaker 1: to know that all Sean McDermod said was I was

934
00:45:25,826 --> 00:45:28,626
Speaker 1: just doing what I thought was right. Now, I was

935
00:45:28,666 --> 00:45:30,906
Speaker 1: doing what I thought was right. I don't know, man,

936
00:45:30,986 --> 00:45:32,826
Speaker 1: I said it on the Bills podcast a couple of

937
00:45:32,866 --> 00:45:35,866
Speaker 1: days ago. I don't know, man. It gives you a

938
00:45:36,306 --> 00:45:40,786
Speaker 1: newfound perspective and energy and optimism about the human spirit

939
00:45:40,866 --> 00:45:43,866
Speaker 1: and about you know, our society man. Because um, the

940
00:45:43,946 --> 00:45:46,386
Speaker 1: way everything came together this past week for the Buffalo

941
00:45:46,466 --> 00:45:50,506
Speaker 1: Bills was pretty crazy. Led by Sean McDermod. No. Here,

942
00:45:50,746 --> 00:45:52,266
Speaker 1: I think you make a lot of really good points.

943
00:45:52,466 --> 00:45:55,186
Speaker 1: I'd say two things. One, I'm glad I gave my

944
00:45:55,266 --> 00:45:59,826
Speaker 1: guy first, um, because now now I don't know if

945
00:45:59,866 --> 00:46:02,026
Speaker 1: I could have said my guy after you said your guy.

946
00:46:02,346 --> 00:46:04,826
Speaker 1: That's one and then too, I feel bad for saying

947
00:46:04,906 --> 00:46:08,266
Speaker 1: my guy after you just say out the terms for McDermott.

948
00:46:08,386 --> 00:46:12,506
Speaker 1: But look, it's it's it is unprecedented times. I know

949
00:46:12,586 --> 00:46:16,186
Speaker 1: we hear that phrase a lot. There are certain coaches

950
00:46:16,266 --> 00:46:18,346
Speaker 1: that are in leadership roles. And I'm not just talking

951
00:46:18,386 --> 00:46:20,906
Speaker 1: about the NFL. I just mean in life, various sports,

952
00:46:20,986 --> 00:46:24,866
Speaker 1: professional college that shouldn't be leading, shouldn't be leaders because

953
00:46:24,866 --> 00:46:28,146
Speaker 1: they're not leaders. McDermott, it's abundantly clear like he is

954
00:46:28,226 --> 00:46:30,466
Speaker 1: a true leader in every sense of the words. So

955
00:46:30,666 --> 00:46:34,666
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised, shocked, or disappointed if Sean McDermot

956
00:46:34,746 --> 00:46:36,786
Speaker 1: ends up being Coach of the Year, which also leads

957
00:46:36,906 --> 00:46:40,626
Speaker 1: us to come back Player of the Year frontrunner. I

958
00:46:40,666 --> 00:46:44,066
Speaker 1: don't gino? Is it gino? Maybe maybe we can go

959
00:46:44,186 --> 00:46:46,266
Speaker 1: in that direction. Dude's been in the league for almost

960
00:46:46,306 --> 00:46:49,906
Speaker 1: ten years. He's been a star before he started all

961
00:46:49,946 --> 00:46:53,986
Speaker 1: the sixteen games for the Jets back in twelve touchdowns,

962
00:46:55,906 --> 00:46:58,906
Speaker 1: one interceptions. You hear what I'm saying here at completion

963
00:46:58,986 --> 00:47:03,346
Speaker 1: percentage that was under fifty those are not joh well,

964
00:47:03,386 --> 00:47:05,186
Speaker 1: there are kind of jaw dropping when you throw twenty

965
00:47:05,226 --> 00:47:09,266
Speaker 1: one in or sception. So here we go fast forward. Man,

966
00:47:09,346 --> 00:47:11,626
Speaker 1: we're right, like we're talking about a pro bowler here.

967
00:47:11,946 --> 00:47:15,386
Speaker 1: This season just sort of this magical run fifth and

968
00:47:15,466 --> 00:47:18,786
Speaker 1: passer raining and nearly three to one touchdown of interception ratio.

969
00:47:19,106 --> 00:47:21,746
Speaker 1: Broke Russell Wilson's team record for the most passing yards

970
00:47:22,106 --> 00:47:24,746
Speaker 1: in the season. Yeah, they're in the playoffs. I think

971
00:47:24,786 --> 00:47:26,506
Speaker 1: there's some other guys we can touch on them. But

972
00:47:26,666 --> 00:47:30,386
Speaker 1: is Gino the clear favorite for this. I don't know

973
00:47:30,506 --> 00:47:33,986
Speaker 1: if he's the clear favorite. Um, but I like I

974
00:47:34,146 --> 00:47:37,906
Speaker 1: like this Geno Smith story. I really do. Um. I'm

975
00:47:37,906 --> 00:47:39,786
Speaker 1: not gonna lie. What do you know say early in

976
00:47:39,826 --> 00:47:42,626
Speaker 1: the season they wrote me off. I ain't right back,

977
00:47:43,146 --> 00:47:45,826
Speaker 1: but do you know yeah, man, my letter was in

978
00:47:45,866 --> 00:47:48,466
Speaker 1: the mail man, I wrote you off, bro, I sure

979
00:47:48,586 --> 00:47:50,026
Speaker 1: did you know what I'm saying? And I had an

980
00:47:50,066 --> 00:47:52,546
Speaker 1: opportunity touch you know this? You know in person. May

981
00:47:52,626 --> 00:47:55,186
Speaker 1: we laughed about it. But you gotta be built a

982
00:47:55,266 --> 00:47:58,546
Speaker 1: certain way to take the journey Gino Smith took. You

983
00:47:58,626 --> 00:48:01,466
Speaker 1: gotta have a certain belief in self. You gotta have

984
00:48:01,466 --> 00:48:04,346
Speaker 1: a certain personality about yourself. You have to be real

985
00:48:04,426 --> 00:48:06,666
Speaker 1: with yourself. You gotta look at yourself in the mirror

986
00:48:06,826 --> 00:48:09,266
Speaker 1: and say, oh, yes, this is my circumstances, this is

987
00:48:09,346 --> 00:48:11,866
Speaker 1: the hand that I'm dealt. I'm gonna I'm gonna do

988
00:48:11,946 --> 00:48:13,666
Speaker 1: what I gotta do with it. And that's what Gino did.

989
00:48:13,706 --> 00:48:15,706
Speaker 1: He came in, He backed up Russell Wilson. He saw

990
00:48:15,786 --> 00:48:17,626
Speaker 1: the lader of the land, and he saw that there

991
00:48:17,706 --> 00:48:20,306
Speaker 1: was an opportunity. There was gonna be a job open here,

992
00:48:20,866 --> 00:48:24,746
Speaker 1: and um he knew the offense. And Gino, just to

993
00:48:24,866 --> 00:48:27,386
Speaker 1: let you know, Mike talking to him over this offseason,

994
00:48:28,026 --> 00:48:31,346
Speaker 1: Gino thought that Drew Lock would get that job. And

995
00:48:32,026 --> 00:48:35,026
Speaker 1: looking at the situation the Seahawks game, Drew Lock every

996
00:48:35,106 --> 00:48:38,586
Speaker 1: opportunity to take that out, every single opportunity. And I

997
00:48:38,626 --> 00:48:41,466
Speaker 1: remember having some you know, some personal conversations with Gino,

998
00:48:41,506 --> 00:48:44,666
Speaker 1: and I'm just like Gino, I'm telling you, man, support

999
00:48:44,786 --> 00:48:46,986
Speaker 1: Drew if he gets the job. You know what I'm saying,

1000
00:48:47,026 --> 00:48:49,146
Speaker 1: because you never know when your opportunity is gonna come up.

1001
00:48:49,466 --> 00:48:51,306
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But just keep being you,

1002
00:48:51,666 --> 00:48:54,146
Speaker 1: just keep not turning the football over. I know coach Carroll,

1003
00:48:54,186 --> 00:48:56,706
Speaker 1: he is a defensive coach. Don't turn the football over, bro,

1004
00:48:57,346 --> 00:49:00,106
Speaker 1: You'll be I you know what I'm saying. Understand how

1005
00:49:00,146 --> 00:49:01,666
Speaker 1: to get the team in the you know, in the

1006
00:49:01,746 --> 00:49:03,746
Speaker 1: right play you gotta stand your head. Coach is the

1007
00:49:03,786 --> 00:49:07,386
Speaker 1: defensive coach, and Gino played it well. Man. He went

1008
00:49:07,426 --> 00:49:08,906
Speaker 1: out there and he performed. He's one of the most

1009
00:49:08,906 --> 00:49:11,226
Speaker 1: accurate quarterbacks in the National Football League. And again we

1010
00:49:11,306 --> 00:49:13,986
Speaker 1: talked about Kenneth Walker earlier in the episode that play

1011
00:49:14,026 --> 00:49:16,586
Speaker 1: action passed and had my old coach and Pete Carroll

1012
00:49:16,626 --> 00:49:19,626
Speaker 1: smiling again. So I would say that I do think

1013
00:49:19,666 --> 00:49:21,746
Speaker 1: he's the leader in the clubhouse. I would go with

1014
00:49:21,826 --> 00:49:24,506
Speaker 1: your got Kwan Barkley though. Man for me from the

1015
00:49:25,506 --> 00:49:28,186
Speaker 1: the New York Giants, and he's my guy to Penn State,

1016
00:49:28,346 --> 00:49:31,066
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I just I could

1017
00:49:31,186 --> 00:49:34,866
Speaker 1: hear the naysayers starting to say that this generational talent

1018
00:49:35,026 --> 00:49:38,306
Speaker 1: was a bus And I remember telling Kin that, like Brow,

1019
00:49:38,506 --> 00:49:40,226
Speaker 1: at some point, you're gonna have to have one of

1020
00:49:40,266 --> 00:49:42,746
Speaker 1: them years man, and he just had bad luck. It

1021
00:49:42,866 --> 00:49:45,026
Speaker 1: was a lot of health issues. He would the ability,

1022
00:49:45,026 --> 00:49:47,506
Speaker 1: the only guy offensively that they were leaning on. He

1023
00:49:47,506 --> 00:49:49,426
Speaker 1: would run the ball five six times in a row.

1024
00:49:49,946 --> 00:49:52,026
Speaker 1: And when you're running back and in this league, that

1025
00:49:52,186 --> 00:49:54,466
Speaker 1: that's when the injury start to pile up. He stayed healthy,

1026
00:49:54,906 --> 00:49:57,706
Speaker 1: his quarterback helped him out this year and Brian dave

1027
00:49:57,746 --> 00:49:59,586
Speaker 1: Ball helped him out this year with the play calling

1028
00:49:59,666 --> 00:50:01,786
Speaker 1: in the way he got him to football. So I

1029
00:50:01,826 --> 00:50:05,106
Speaker 1: would go with Sa Kwan Barkley only two games and

1030
00:50:05,226 --> 00:50:07,626
Speaker 1: had at five on the nine in three yards in

1031
00:50:07,746 --> 00:50:11,546
Speaker 1: thirteen games, and now he has over thirteen hundred yards

1032
00:50:11,626 --> 00:50:14,106
Speaker 1: mctin weston touchdowns with a four and a half yards

1033
00:50:14,386 --> 00:50:16,466
Speaker 1: per carry at rush average. So I would I would

1034
00:50:16,506 --> 00:50:18,826
Speaker 1: go with Sae Kwon Barkley has come back. Clearly. I'll

1035
00:50:18,866 --> 00:50:20,266
Speaker 1: throw out two other names for you. If you go

1036
00:50:20,386 --> 00:50:23,106
Speaker 1: Barkley and you reference the injuries, I'll say Christian McCaffrey

1037
00:50:23,306 --> 00:50:26,746
Speaker 1: right there, ten games over the previous two seasons. And

1038
00:50:26,866 --> 00:50:28,986
Speaker 1: yet here in San Francisco we knew once he got

1039
00:50:29,026 --> 00:50:32,506
Speaker 1: into this offense, we felt good about him thriving nearly

1040
00:50:33,266 --> 00:50:36,946
Speaker 1: scrimmage yards this season. Just wow, that's jaw dropping and

1041
00:50:37,026 --> 00:50:39,066
Speaker 1: he's done it in so many different ways for this

1042
00:50:39,186 --> 00:50:43,426
Speaker 1: team's offense. And Jared Goffman, like I was written for

1043
00:50:43,506 --> 00:50:45,506
Speaker 1: this dude. I felt bad for him to get and

1044
00:50:45,546 --> 00:50:47,706
Speaker 1: get pushed out of town after getting to a Super

1045
00:50:47,786 --> 00:50:49,746
Speaker 1: Bowl and just not being a part of the Rams

1046
00:50:49,746 --> 00:50:51,466
Speaker 1: and then going to Detroit, where there wasn't a track

1047
00:50:51,546 --> 00:50:55,146
Speaker 1: record of success. We watched his story unfold on Hard Knocks.

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Speaker 1: I love this man. I hope he gets more opportunities,

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Speaker 1: and they continued to put more pieces around him. The

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Speaker 1: last two years proved to real mic Rock that Jared

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Speaker 1: golf I was picked where he was supposed to be big,

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Speaker 1: because before that I was like, I don't know about

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Speaker 1: this guy. I mean the performance he had against the

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Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers that did the seas, I mean all

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Speaker 1: of those things. Man, I think he played himself into

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Speaker 1: a long term job with the lines. Yeah, I agree

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Speaker 1: with you. It's tough to find that quarterback. And I

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Speaker 1: think in a lot of ways, Dan Campbell has been

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Speaker 1: a perfect marriage for him, for for Jared Goff as well.

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait to find out if m Rob is

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Speaker 1: right across the board on his predictions. NFL Honors February nine,

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Speaker 1: nine Eastern Time on NBC and Peacock. It is awesome

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Speaker 1: to celebrate a lot of the individual success that these

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Speaker 1: players have been able to. Gardner here and Rob always

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Speaker 1: good to be with you, my friend, and we'll do

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Speaker 1: it again