Speaker 1: It seems like everything comes in threes. In the National
Speaker 1: Football League, it seems to be waves. This season now
Speaker 1: seems like it's cut into thirds. There's three days in
Speaker 1: the NFL draft, and in free agency there's also waves. Well,
Speaker 1: we've had the first wave, but now it's the second wave.
Speaker 1: And also we have seen Chiefs go to Hollywood, but
Speaker 1: now Hollywood comes to the Chiefs. This edition of Defending
Speaker 1: the Kingdom, of course, brought to you by Ticketmaster, and
Speaker 1: we're calling it the second Wave. M cannon is in
Speaker 1: at running back. First down and goal to go, play action,
Speaker 1: fake right side, two touchdown, dudes on city, hook Toll Hardman,
Speaker 1: Hook Toll, Hardman. What the catch on the right side?
Speaker 1: A three yard touchdown? Passing over time? How everybody? I'm
Speaker 1: Mitch Holt's voice of the Chiefs along with senior team
Speaker 1: reporter Matt McMullen. And here we are in the second wave.
Speaker 1: And also we're gonna talk from Hollywood here. But before
Speaker 1: we do, so what do we have around the world.
Speaker 2: I've got ten today, a lot a lot of in
Speaker 2: the world. Today we got ten. So Isiah all over there?
Speaker 2: We go, Yes for Isaiah? For pop So Jody is
Speaker 2: listening from Joplin, but they pointed out that Plattsburgh is
Speaker 2: home even though they're in Joplin.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Uh Will checked in from Butte, Montana. You've ever been
Speaker 2: to Butte, Montana?
Speaker 1: I'm not, but I want to.
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable, Just a gorgeous place. When I worked for
Speaker 2: the Salem Kaiser Volcanos way back in the day, we
Speaker 2: drove up to Sioux Falls, then crossed all South Dakota,
Speaker 2: crossed all of Montana to end up in Oregon and
Speaker 2: crossing Montana. Like if people haven't done that before, It's
Speaker 2: incredible just driving across the state and Butte, Montana is
Speaker 2: along the route.
Speaker 1: So what's the college in Butte? I know the universities
Speaker 1: like Bozeman and Missoula, but there's a school in Butte. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there is.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to go to like one of those
Speaker 1: smaller Division two slash NIA football games in Montana. Sometimes.
Speaker 2: Absolutely I go to a Montana state game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd love you for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Dominic is listening from Saint Louis. Hello, Domin. Tommy checked
Speaker 2: in from Fargo, North Dakota. Suzie is listening from Wichita.
Speaker 2: Zach is from Sussex County, Delaware.
Speaker 1: Pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Michael was holding down the Fort in Deltona, Florida. Joel
Speaker 2: is in Anchorage, Alaska. As I have been mentioning several times,
Speaker 2: I'll be in Alaska here pretty shortly.
Speaker 1: Can't wait.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Ben in Columbia, Missouri.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Ben is eleven years old and a big Choice fan.
Speaker 2: He also wanted to shout out his uncle who lives
Speaker 2: in Joplin. What of Joplin representation here? Joplin, of course
Speaker 2: has a hot bed Yeah, it sure is.
Speaker 1: Yep. They think about the Kingdom every day in Joplin.
Speaker 2: Competing with Springfield to be the mecca.
Speaker 1: They are right there battle down in southwest Missouri.
Speaker 2: And my last one I heard from Craig who proudly
Speaker 2: represents the Kingdom where he works in Moline, Illinois and
Speaker 2: at home in Bettendorf, Iowa in the Crag Cities. Yup,
Speaker 2: and Craig had a trivia question for you.
Speaker 1: Okay, John Deere, by the way, in Moline, Illinois.
Speaker 2: He works for them. He works at their world head quarters.
Speaker 1: Actually, I think everybody that lives in Moline, Illinois works
Speaker 1: for John Deere. Way or another.
Speaker 2: Here's this trivia question for you. So what was the
Speaker 2: first high school football game played at Arrowhead m Yeah,
Speaker 2: this would be a good one for you to file away.
Speaker 1: But it has to do with the Quad Cities or no, no,
Speaker 1: not not related.
Speaker 2: Think he just happens to know it and was curious
Speaker 2: if you could guess it.
Speaker 1: Cool. I would have to guess, But it has to
Speaker 1: be something like a Kansas versus Missouri game. It's got
Speaker 1: to be Rockhurst on the Kansas on the Missouri side
Speaker 1: against I don't know me Ash on the Kansas.
Speaker 2: Sid Well it says that he according to Craig, it
Speaker 2: was the Missouri semi finals in nineteen seventy two. I
Speaker 2: think these are both Missouri schools. Do you want to guess?
Speaker 1: No, I got no clue.
Speaker 2: Southwest defeated oak Park. Wow, oak Park's on the Missouri side, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, North North, the Northmandy North and the North
Speaker 1: Women not yeah, the oak Park Northman and it was
Speaker 1: against Center of Central Central.
Speaker 2: Southwest Southwest Southwest defeated oak Park.
Speaker 1: Okay, that would have been the first year of Varahead too.
Speaker 1: It's nineteen seventy two. So yeah, some trivia. So the
Speaker 1: more you know, thanks Craig, Well, thanks to the Quad
Speaker 1: Cities and John Deere for high School Geha Field at
Speaker 1: Arrowhead and Trivia. Yep, that's awesome. Something happened. I was
Speaker 1: in Topeka yesterday on some other business matters and I
Speaker 1: passed a eighteen wheeler and it was the most awesome
Speaker 1: cab I've ever seen. It had the logos of all
Speaker 1: the Super Bowls. This was from Warsaw, Missouri. It's like this.
Speaker 1: It was into I think he's an independent trucker like
Speaker 1: hard Wick or hard Wick or somebody can they'll they'll
Speaker 1: follow up on this. But I almost like just stared
Speaker 1: at it, going at seventy five miles an hour down
Speaker 1: the freeway of looking at like it was the coolest
Speaker 1: painted Chiefs Kingdom truck.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: We've got to get a photo of this. We got
Speaker 1: to put it on our social because it's so cool,
Speaker 1: and I'll get some more information on it. But I
Speaker 1: just sit there and was like, well, wow, this is awesome.
Speaker 1: Now he does not have the Super Bowl fifty eight
Speaker 1: logo up yet, but he's got four and fifty four
Speaker 1: and fifty seven. It's really cool in the lombardies and
Speaker 1: it's like something like rolling through the Kingdom. It's this
Speaker 1: cool paint job of this independent truck caller. So it's
Speaker 1: I know we're gonna find more about this cat, but
Speaker 1: it was it was awesome.
Speaker 2: You know what that reminds me of is a few
Speaker 2: episodes ago, we had like the three Super Bowl Championship
Speaker 2: hats out and we talk about those three most recent
Speaker 2: ones because they happened so recently, But I need some
Speaker 2: Super Bowl four gear, like a Super Bowl four champion hat.
Speaker 2: Did they make hats back then when you won the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl?
Speaker 1: If they did with the old mesh kind right, they
Speaker 1: had the cloth in front and then the mesh back round,
Speaker 1: that would be yeah, you'll see him now. Hank didn't
Speaker 1: wear them as much he did at camp. You'll see
Speaker 1: these pictures of Hank with the Mesh three quarterback, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they made a comeback not that long ago, but
Speaker 1: that'd be the hat you'd have to get with kind
Speaker 1: of the football. And there's some logos with some throwback shirts.
Speaker 1: But yeah, definitely we got to get some shirts and
Speaker 1: hats from Super Bowl four and put them on display.
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of that, did you see the new trophy
Speaker 2: case in the lobby.
Speaker 1: As well it's the best.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for those that don't. Now, there's a trophy case
Speaker 2: in the lobby here at the facility, and it had
Speaker 2: been outgrown because of all the success lately, because I
Speaker 2: think it only had maybe two Lombardies in it and
Speaker 2: then maybe one AOC Championship trophy. Now it has all
Speaker 2: four Lamar Hunt Trophies and all four Lombardies in there.
Speaker 2: It looks pretty great. Need to add some more space though.
Speaker 1: But if you're listing or in or watching, don't just
Speaker 1: kind of waltz in here and say, hey, where is
Speaker 1: it that that's not gonna work.
Speaker 2: Don't do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah he'll be, Yeah, he'll be. We'll be posting bond
Speaker 1: or someone will for you. But you know what, it's
Speaker 1: interesting full disclosure here. When we had the celebration at
Speaker 1: Union Station on the stage, and you remember when Brett
Speaker 1: Veach had the open spot on the end, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: should I slid the I slid the Lombardes over he goes.
Speaker 1: It was like the night before. This is typical Brett Beach,
Speaker 1: like late at night, right, dang, what's what's w you want?
Speaker 1: H Hey, I'm gonna move all move all the lombardies
Speaker 1: over and leave space. I love it because that was
Speaker 1: his thesis. Yeah, remember like, hey, this looks good for
Speaker 1: the next one. Uh huh, get the fifth one. But
Speaker 1: that was so BV and it was it was awesome.
Speaker 1: But yeah, there you go. You mentioned super Bowl four.
Speaker 1: Now we of course lost super Bowl one and then
Speaker 1: we lost super Bowl fifty five, but super Bowl one
Speaker 1: comes into play here as we kind of start this
Speaker 1: episode because we're yes, we're talking about the second Wave,
Speaker 1: but we also got a lot of Hollywood talk. Yep.
Speaker 1: Now the Chiefs, Okay, let's start. The Coach Reid actually
Speaker 1: has ties to Hollywood. His father was worked in Hollywood, right,
Speaker 1: He was an artist, he made sets. And even though
Speaker 1: Coach went to John Marshall High School, which is not
Speaker 1: in Hollywood, I think they played Hollywood in sports, but
Speaker 1: his dad worked on in Hollywood. So this is a
Speaker 1: little bit if Coach Red came to us from Hollywood,
Speaker 1: but the Chiefs have also gone to Hollywood. There was
Speaker 1: a guy you ever heard of, Fred Williamson, Fred the
Speaker 1: Hammer Williamson.
Speaker 2: Sounds kind of familiar, but I couldn't tell you much
Speaker 2: about him.
Speaker 1: This needs to be one of your like go down
Speaker 1: to the rabbit holes. Fred the Hammer Wiamson was a
Speaker 1: cornerback for the Chiefs and played in Super Bowl One.
Speaker 1: And he was way out of his time because he
Speaker 1: could really talk smack and he was talking about knocking
Speaker 1: out all the Packer receivers. He's and he had this
Speaker 1: forearm which is illegal.
Speaker 2: Now Max McGee is looking at him like he was
Speaker 2: kind of like boy dollar, Max mczeery and to be gone.
Speaker 1: And so Fred was somewhat of a sanguine character and
Speaker 1: really good athlete. And ironically he got knocked out of
Speaker 1: Super Bowl one. But and the Packers you can see
Speaker 1: it on NFL films, were kind of they were going
Speaker 1: after Fred. But Fred, after his career ended with the
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs, became an actor and I bet I
Speaker 1: was counting like his filmography. I think he was in
Speaker 1: like either he was in close to a one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty five films.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's over the place if you research Fred Williamson,
Speaker 1: Fred the Hammer Williamson. Now, my favorite role of Fred
Speaker 1: the Hammer Williamson was the police captain in startskinin Hutch.
Speaker 1: You remember the parody of Starkin Hutch. Sure, yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the guy of.
Speaker 2: And so he had like big roles. He wasn't just
Speaker 2: like an extra.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, this guy's got big roles. Go back
Speaker 1: and go back and check this guy out. Fred Williamson
Speaker 1: was a deal and he's awesome. It starts Get Huch right,
Speaker 1: so he's gonna anyway, watch it. It's not the TV
Speaker 1: starts Gin Hutch. It's the Ben Stiller Owen Wilson remix,
Speaker 1: which is hilarious. It's one of my favorite movies. There's
Speaker 1: so many awesome lines in it. But Fred the Hammer
Speaker 1: Williamson has a prominent role in that. He was in
Speaker 1: Super Bowl one with the Chiefs and then John Amos
Speaker 1: was a famous actor and he got cut by the Chiefs. Actually,
Speaker 1: I think he lasted a couple of days and Stram goes,
Speaker 1: you want to play football, but you're not a football
Speaker 1: player or something. But anyway, Johnny Amos became very well
Speaker 1: known in both film and television and he wanted to
Speaker 1: be a Chief but didn't last very long. So there
Speaker 1: was some moves of the Chiefs going to Hollywood. For sure,
Speaker 1: Fred the Hammer Williamson would be the valedictorian. That discussion.
Speaker 1: But now Hollywood comes to the Chiefs and here we go.
Speaker 1: We prior to Gus Johnson give him the Hollywood name.
Speaker 1: He was Marquise Brown, but he is Hollywood Brown. He
Speaker 1: wants to be known as Hollywood Brown. Number one draft
Speaker 1: pick of the Ravens in twenty nineteen, he requested a trade.
Speaker 1: He went to the Arizona Cardinals. But now he's a
Speaker 1: Kansas City chief. Hollywood, Florida is his hometown. Hence the
Speaker 1: nickname was a big play against k State when Gus
Speaker 1: Johnson didn't know how to pronounce is this Marquise, Marquis
Speaker 1: or Marcus, so he just calls him Hollywood and it's stuck.
Speaker 1: But what do you think Hollywood Brown is now in
Speaker 1: the Chiefs Kingdom?
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I think we deserve some credit
Speaker 2: for this happening because our last episode was recorded on
Speaker 2: Thursday morning, and we mentioned that we're only going to
Speaker 2: talk about what has happened already. I'm sure something new
Speaker 2: will happen as soon as we record this, and what
Speaker 2: do you know, Thursday night, there are are reports out
Speaker 2: there that we signed Hollywood Brown, and Mitch and I
Speaker 2: are like ecstatic about it, super excited, but it's also like,
Speaker 2: of course, this happens hours after we record our episode,
Speaker 2: and we live in a weird world where we can't
Speaker 2: comment on things until they're official, so we couldn't even
Speaker 2: talk about it until what Monday. But yeah, our episode
Speaker 2: goes out on Friday. Don't even mention Hollywood Brown. So
Speaker 2: if we had not recorded, well, we were testing Thursday night.
Speaker 2: At least we gave the disclaimer exactly. But if we
Speaker 2: had not talked about if we had not done our
Speaker 2: show on Thursday, who knows if we would have signed anybody.
Speaker 2: We helped create that energy in the universe. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I love it. I mean Hollywood Brown. Let's talk about him.
Speaker 2: Five foot nine, one hundred and eighty pounds with great speed.
Speaker 2: Look at his pro day back in two thousand and
Speaker 2: nineteen eighteen. I ran a four to two seven, so
Speaker 2: great speed. But you look at his size and kind
Speaker 2: of his makeup as a player. If you've never watched
Speaker 2: him before, you might think, Okay, that's a guy that
Speaker 2: plays just the slot, but not the case. It's actually
Speaker 2: kind of interesting. Hollywood Brown in his career has primarily
Speaker 2: been an outside wide receiver, so it says a lot
Speaker 2: about his talent, his skill level and what he can
Speaker 2: do that. He has the body type of a guy
Speaker 2: you might think might just be a slot receiver, but
Speaker 2: he's actually not that he's a complete receiver. He has
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty four career snaps split out wide
Speaker 2: against oftentimes a team's top corner, then nine hundred and
Speaker 2: thirty nine snaps out of the slot in his career.
Speaker 2: He can stretch the field vertically. We all know that
Speaker 2: that deep threat with that speed and what he can
Speaker 2: do in terms of getting down the field quickly, but
Speaker 2: he also is really effective making plays on those short
Speaker 2: underneath routs. And look back at his best season in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, his thousand yard campaign with the Ravens.
Speaker 2: He had ninety one catches that year, well sixty nine
Speaker 2: of them occurred either behind the line of scrimmage or
Speaker 2: within nine yards of the line of scrimmage, and he
Speaker 2: had more than three hundred yards after the catch on
Speaker 2: those plays. So this is a guy that sure is
Speaker 2: a deep threat that's important can take the top off
Speaker 2: the defense back in twenty twenty one, he had four
Speaker 2: touchdown grabs of more than twenty yards, But he can
Speaker 2: also make plays in space and make guys miss underneath,
Speaker 2: which is very exciting. I think he's really, in a
Speaker 2: lot of ways the prototypical, perfect kind of wide receiver
Speaker 2: for what Coach Reed wants to do.
Speaker 1: A couple things caught my eye and we've played against him.
Speaker 1: He had a buck over a buck of receiving in
Speaker 1: the twenty one game in Baltimore where we had the
Speaker 1: late fumble. We're on the way to win the game,
Speaker 1: we lose thirty six thirty five. But a couple of
Speaker 1: things when you do the deep drive into Hollywood Brown
Speaker 1: that gets you excited. One in that twenty one year,
Speaker 1: and the twenty one year is the one that pops
Speaker 1: off the surface, right. He had a four digit year
Speaker 1: receiving yards, and he had a full year with Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: but he had twenty three targets on third and eight
Speaker 1: plus that year. He had fourteen catches of those twenty
Speaker 1: three for first downs. They're only two players better in
Speaker 1: the NFL than Hollywood Brown in that category, and those
Speaker 1: weren't all just go routes. Okay, So that tells you
Speaker 1: a reliable third down receiver third and eight plus, which
Speaker 1: has been a little bit of a void the last
Speaker 1: two years. That's one that catches your eye most recent history.
Speaker 1: And of course Arizona went through a lot of quarterback
Speaker 1: injuries and Kyler Murray's missed so much time. But last year,
Speaker 1: three goal to go targets for Hollywood Brown with the
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals and three touchdowns. Now to compare that, think
Speaker 1: of Rashie Rice, he had four gold to go targets,
Speaker 1: he had four touchdowns. Think of the game in Germany, right,
Speaker 1: But Hollywood had three goal to go targets and three touchdowns.
Speaker 1: So this is complementing your point, meaning, and this is
Speaker 1: what Hollywood will have to do in this offense. Anybody
Speaker 1: that has a wr by your name in this Andy
Speaker 1: Reid Patrick Mahomes offense must be able to at some
Speaker 1: point and as soon as you can get there, the
Speaker 1: better to be able to be a slot receiver, inside
Speaker 1: receiver on trips, X receiver, Z receiver, a slot motion receiver,
Speaker 1: jets fake jets. That's how he won Super Bowl fifty eight.
Speaker 1: I mean, so it looks like the fact that Hollywood
Speaker 1: Brown can play all of those roles, and statistically there
Speaker 1: have been times he has done exactly that should be
Speaker 1: the one thing that should get the Chief Kingdom most excited.
Speaker 2: And this is a player who I don't think has
Speaker 2: been fully unlocked yet. To your point, he even mentioned
Speaker 2: as such in his press conference where he thinks he's
Speaker 2: shown a lot of things in the NFL, but he
Speaker 2: has a chance to really put it all together here
Speaker 2: because of the circumstances and the environment. And think about
Speaker 2: his time in Baltimore. So really good player in Baltimore,
Speaker 2: had that great twenty twenty one season, notably, but that
Speaker 2: was the Ravens offense that was built around running the football.
Speaker 2: They ranked thirtieth in the NFL and net passing yards
Speaker 2: per game during his three years there, and even in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, they were thirteenth in the NFL in
Speaker 2: net passing yards per game, easily the highest ranking they
Speaker 2: had during that three year stretch. The Ravens didn't throw
Speaker 2: the football a whole lot. They're built around running the football,
Speaker 2: and he still put up good numbers there. And then,
Speaker 2: like you said, in Arizona, I mean, the idea there
Speaker 2: was to pair him back with Kyler Murray, who he
Speaker 2: played with in college. But Kyler was hurt for a
Speaker 2: good part of both of those seasons, so kind of
Speaker 2: a weird situation quarterback wise in Arizona, and he still
Speaker 2: put his best foot forward. I think during his two
Speaker 2: years there he led the Cardinals and catches, receiving yards
Speaker 2: and receiving touchdowns when you combine his two seasons, So
Speaker 2: a really productive player despite some tough circumstances in both places.
Speaker 2: And this is the perfect circumstance for him. Come to
Speaker 2: Kansas City, play for coach Red and play with the
Speaker 2: best quarterback in the NFL in a pass centric offense.
Speaker 1: And he's the first player in NFL history to have
Speaker 1: two forty plus yard touchdowns in his very first game.
Speaker 1: Going back to that twenty nineteen season when he was
Speaker 1: the first round draft pick of the Baltimore Ravens.
Speaker 2: But rist receiver taken two, I believe in.
Speaker 1: The twenty fifth pick. I think, yeah, sure it was.
Speaker 1: And that was the McCole Hardman Draft, and what happened
Speaker 1: that was weird. That was a weird night in the
Speaker 1: Chiefs kingdom from a standpoint of what happened before the draft.
Speaker 1: But that's another matter. Okay, So Hollywood Brown is now
Speaker 1: a Chief, Tommy Townsend's now at Texan makes it easy.
Speaker 1: He wants number five. Give him number five. We're ready
Speaker 1: to roll and let him ruin. But here's the word
Speaker 1: we'd give to Hollywood is okay, your life will start
Speaker 1: with pats OTAs aka the PoTA I call him Pat's
Speaker 1: OTA's on his own that leads you into the chiefs OTAs,
Speaker 1: which I would guess would be about as hard as
Speaker 1: you worked at camp with the Arizona Cardinals. And then
Speaker 1: when you hit Saint Joseph, be ready to rock because
Speaker 1: when coach, we've seen this. We saw this with Rice
Speaker 1: last year, we've seen it with Juju, We've seen it
Speaker 1: with others who joined the group, and hey, you're gonna
Speaker 1: get CALC one, two and three in the first semester.
Speaker 1: So just get ready because if you buy in, just
Speaker 1: like Rashie did last year, you'll realize, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: I can do things in a quick fashion that I
Speaker 1: wasn't even sure I could do. So to get full bloom,
Speaker 1: as you've alluded to with Hollywood, Brown, it's up now
Speaker 1: to Hollywood. Just lock in, know every position, do it
Speaker 1: as fast as you can, and get on the fast
Speaker 1: track and be ready to work. Because the Chiefs were
Speaker 1: winning because they were.
Speaker 2: Well And did you see that Patrick's Instagram that they're
Speaker 2: already together. I mean, that's how you fire up Chiefs Kingdom.
Speaker 2: Right is, He's been a Chief for like twenty four
Speaker 2: hours and he's already working out with Patrick in Hollywood,
Speaker 2: works out in Texas. That's what he said during his
Speaker 2: press conference. So it's going to work out perfectly, hopefully
Speaker 2: right there. Get some early work done with the offense
Speaker 2: with Patrick Mahomes, and then when OTAs begin here in
Speaker 2: Kansas City at some point in May, has a bit
Speaker 2: of a head start, it can start immersing himself in
Speaker 2: this offense. But that's why Ota is, That's why this
Speaker 2: time of year is so important. It's tough for the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: It's a good problem to have, but it's tough because
Speaker 2: their offseason is like a month and a half shorter
Speaker 2: than everyone else's. But when you're a team like Kansas City,
Speaker 2: you have a chance to make some history this upcoming year.
Speaker 1: Go for that.
Speaker 2: Three Pete. Guys want to be a part of that.
Speaker 2: Guys are eager to get back to work, and as
Speaker 2: we saw with that ig post, those guys are already working.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ed ViBe's already here. It was even there at
Speaker 1: the end of the Super Bowl celebration basically, and it's
Speaker 1: been carried on ever since then. But it's an example
Speaker 1: of the second wave of free agency. The first wave
Speaker 1: is the when in the last episode, you know, the
Speaker 1: legal tampering period and the New York Stock Exchange, where
Speaker 1: everything just goes crazy and people are yelling at each
Speaker 1: other and signing guys and going nuts. But the second
Speaker 1: wave is when things calm down and the Chiefs have
Speaker 1: done a really good job in the second wave. When
Speaker 1: you look at last year, I mean Drew Trank will
Speaker 1: signed about this time of the year. Mike Edwards was
Speaker 1: very close in that time. When you look at and
Speaker 1: the other thing that we want to always try to
Speaker 1: kind of emphasize you and I is what's new, what's
Speaker 1: the new shiny thing? Well, you also like to keep
Speaker 1: the guys that you want, and the Chiefs did that,
Speaker 1: of course with Chris Jones and doing that contract. We
Speaker 1: discussed that they did it with Drew Tranquil, but they
Speaker 1: also did it in the second wave. Because there's three
Speaker 1: guys that come to mind here. Turk Wharton has re
Speaker 1: signed in this so called second wave. Derek Noddy is signed,
Speaker 1: Mike Panal was a few days earlier than those guys.
Speaker 1: But the point is with Chris Johns, and you're going
Speaker 1: to draft some of you guys or put some free
Speaker 1: agents in there. Your inside tech guys are ready to go.
Speaker 2: A lot of continuity along the interior of the Chiefs
Speaker 2: defensive line from last year and really from previous years.
Speaker 2: Think about Derek Noddy. I think one of the more
Speaker 2: underappreciated players on this team. He's played in ninety eight
Speaker 2: games over the last six seasons and started eighty six
Speaker 2: of them, and he plays a role on the defense
Speaker 2: that's very difficult to quantify, Like he's never going to
Speaker 2: have a ton of really big stats like sacks and
Speaker 2: pressures and all that, but he's occupying space, he's defending
Speaker 2: the run, and he's one of the players inside that
Speaker 2: helps make the entire operation go. And as we've mentioned,
Speaker 2: we think this was the best defense in the NFL
Speaker 2: last year. Well, he was truly right in the middle
Speaker 2: of it. So great having Derek Naughty back. Just does
Speaker 2: a lot of dirty work. As I mentioned that, it's
Speaker 2: hard to put into numbers, but if you just watch
Speaker 2: the games, you can tell why he's so valuable and
Speaker 2: why Bretviach wanted to bring him back. And Turk Wharton
Speaker 2: so seventeen pressures and.
Speaker 1: Do this with Derek. I mean, if you message him,
Speaker 1: where you see him in public or whatever, just thank him.
Speaker 1: I mean that guy. You're right, he has done so
Speaker 1: much to help this team win championships and he's been
Speaker 1: a part of all three that unless you really watch
Speaker 1: the video, I don't think we can fully appreciate what
Speaker 1: Derek Naughty does.
Speaker 2: Sure, and you have to be a certain kind of guy,
Speaker 2: like wired a certain way to really be committed to
Speaker 2: that role. And he's that guy. So that's why he's
Speaker 2: back here in Kansas City. Turk Wharton also a fun player.
Speaker 2: I always think of you when we're talking about Turk
Speaker 2: Wharton because way back in twenty twenty, when training camp
Speaker 2: was at the Chiefs facility due to COVID restrictions, Turk
Speaker 2: was just a UDFA out of a Missouri rawa And
Speaker 2: you and I were watching training camp trying to think
Speaker 2: who would be maybe making this team that people weren't
Speaker 2: talking about, and we saw Turk Wharton out there just
Speaker 2: bawling out, just looking way better than a UDFA should more, Like,
Speaker 2: are we sure this guy wasn't drafted? Like where did
Speaker 2: this guy come from? And what a career he's had
Speaker 2: here in Kansas City over the last several years. Last
Speaker 2: year really solid year for him. Had seventeen pressures, five
Speaker 2: quarterback hits, two sacks. He logged at least twenty five
Speaker 2: defensive snaps in each of the Chiefs four playoff games,
Speaker 2: so a regular contributor during the Super Bowl run. And
Speaker 2: what's interesting about him, he's two hundred and eighty pounds,
Speaker 2: so he's kind of a tweener along the defensive line.
Speaker 2: He'd be kind of like a big defensive end, but
Speaker 2: kind of a small in terms of weight defensive tackle.
Speaker 2: But he's still athletic that he can kind of do everything.
Speaker 2: And that's what Steve Spagnola wants as a versatile player
Speaker 2: who can kind of be a chess piece along the
Speaker 2: defensive front. And that's Turk Wharton. I mean, he can
Speaker 2: play the three techts where he normally is, but you
Speaker 2: can line him up over the nose. He could be
Speaker 2: an end in a three man front and even line
Speaker 2: up as an edge outside in a four man front,
Speaker 2: So he can do a little bit of everything. The
Speaker 2: largest legs and quads I have ever seen on a human
Speaker 2: being during training camp, he gets like nine egg oblets.
Speaker 2: But it's paying off glad to have Turk Wharton back
Speaker 2: in casey.
Speaker 1: And he makes an explosive. He can make a flash play.
Speaker 1: Now you go back to his Washington game twenty one,
Speaker 1: that's as big time of play as you would want.
Speaker 2: Interception.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was awesome. I mean and for a defensive
Speaker 1: lineman to make that play. Yeah. And so he has
Speaker 1: the ability athletic ability to make a play like that.
Speaker 1: We've seen him do it time and again. And yes,
Speaker 1: you miners and you engineers and architects and from Missouri
Speaker 1: s and t in Rala, your only player to ever
Speaker 1: make the NFL is a very very valuable player signed
Speaker 1: in the second wave here of free agency in the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty fourth season. Then you also lose guys in
Speaker 1: this time. Jody Fortson is now Miami Dolphin. And you
Speaker 1: and I both were you know, loved Jody, and gosh,
Speaker 1: there was just such potential there. It was just a
Speaker 1: matter of staying healthy. We wish him the best in Miami.
Speaker 2: Very similar deal to what we were saying about Turk Wharton.
Speaker 2: Every training camp we'd watch Jody and he's the ultimate
Speaker 2: example of the guy that put the work in and
Speaker 2: wasn't in the limelight early on, but was committed to
Speaker 2: being here and committed to being the best player he
Speaker 2: could be on the practice squad for a couple of years,
Speaker 2: and then to earn your shot and to make the
Speaker 2: team out of training camp. That's what it's all about,
Speaker 2: and Jody helped us win over the years. Wishing him
Speaker 2: nothing but the best in Miami. Sometimes when you've had injuries,
Speaker 2: it's a good chance for you to get off to
Speaker 2: a fresh start in a new place. And I'm hopeful
Speaker 2: that he can have a great rest of his career.
Speaker 2: But Jody's an awesome guy, an awesome player, and wish
Speaker 2: him nothing but.
Speaker 1: The best, absolutely, And then we'll close out this way.
Speaker 1: The other part of the second wave kind of leads
Speaker 1: into a third wave, and the third wave, we're kind
Speaker 1: of will enter this over the next several weeks, and
Speaker 1: then maybe the third wave b would be after the
Speaker 1: June one cuts, because then there's a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: dudes that kind of come flying out there. But let
Speaker 1: me just give you some examples of guys who have
Speaker 1: not been signed and have are just out there or
Speaker 1: outlight out, light outright released that not saying they will.
Speaker 1: But just just think about these guys a second. I
Speaker 1: got like Max Sharp ring in Cincinnati. Now I'm talking
Speaker 1: about guy who would play obviously fitting the cap, would
Speaker 1: be your sub offensive lineman. Now Mike Kellyando is back
Speaker 1: on the roster, but to lose Nick Alighretty is to
Speaker 1: lose basically your sixth man in basketball, so valuable. It
Speaker 1: can could play center, garden, tackle, and then we saw
Speaker 1: him big man touchdown. He can be tackle over tackle.
Speaker 1: That role has to be filled going into the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty fourth season. But I'm just giving you examples of
Speaker 1: veterans who are out there who the Chiefs who down
Speaker 1: through the years have been able to pick up and
Speaker 1: get under, you know, team friendly contracts. Another one is
Speaker 1: a native of Abilene, Kansas, and he was a great
Speaker 1: player for the Bears, but Cody Whitehair was released. Now
Speaker 1: Cody Whitehair can play center and guard, super smart and tough,
Speaker 1: and I was just looking at how many starts he had,
Speaker 1: like eighty eight starts maybe with the Chicago Bears. But
Speaker 1: he's out there just waiting for someone to take him.
Speaker 1: Another case staters Dalton Reisner. Now Minnesota may take him back.
Speaker 1: Remember he was in Denver as a longtime starter, but
Speaker 1: he's a guy that's there unsigned. And then defensively, well,
Speaker 1: another offensive lineman, Max Garcia of New Orleans was with
Speaker 1: New Orleans, played for Denver sixty three starts. But a
Speaker 1: guy that could be a backup center guard or become
Speaker 1: the sixth man or seventh man on your offensive line
Speaker 1: as a veteran presence and can be more help maybe
Speaker 1: for a one year Morris and then a defensive player's
Speaker 1: a manual log. But old friend, old friend, he's at
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. Man, he was a big part of this team,
Speaker 1: got hurt that season, but he's out there now. Will
Speaker 1: he be resigned by Miami don't know. But that's an
Speaker 1: example of the second wave that leads into a third
Speaker 1: wave of free agency. That it's almost like the second
Speaker 1: day of the draft and the third day. We got
Speaker 1: all hyped up about the first day, and then the
Speaker 1: value comes in the second and third day. Well, many
Speaker 1: times of the value in free agency comes in this
Speaker 1: second wave or third wave.
Speaker 2: And in both instances, whether it be the second wave
Speaker 2: or third wave of free agency and the latter days
Speaker 2: of the draft, that's where you become a champion. In
Speaker 2: my opinion, because we have our big money, big ticket
Speaker 2: guys already. It's a matter of supplementing those players with
Speaker 2: players around them who can help push you over the top.
Speaker 2: And we've done that in recent years really well. To
Speaker 2: your point, how about signing Donovan Smith on May fourth
Speaker 2: last year, or Richie James on April eleventh, even bringing
Speaker 2: back guys from last year. Jared McKinnon didn't resign until
Speaker 2: May second, Justin Watson has resigned on April fourteenth. Dean
Speaker 2: Bush joined this team on April third. So I mean,
Speaker 2: we all fall into the trap of watching the first
Speaker 2: week of free agency, and some teams throw so much
Speaker 2: money around and bring in a whole bunch of players,
Speaker 2: and that's exciting. That's exciting for those teams, But for
Speaker 2: the Chiefs, they found a way to kind of pick
Speaker 2: their spots, and in this case, Hollywood Brown was that
Speaker 2: big guy that they brought in during the first week
Speaker 2: of free agency. But just because that first week is
Speaker 2: over doesn't mean that Brett Viach is done, doesn't mean
Speaker 2: that this team is a finished product by any means,
Speaker 2: because you kind of survey the landscape, see who's still
Speaker 2: out there, see who maybe didn't get that huge deal
Speaker 2: they were expecting. Drew Trankl was a great example of that.
Speaker 1: Last year.
Speaker 2: He's talked about it like the linebacker market fell a
Speaker 2: certain way. The Chiefs were looking for a linebacker, and
Speaker 2: he's like, I'm gonna go to Kansas City and hopefully
Speaker 2: win a Super Bowl, and look what happened. It was
Speaker 2: a great investment on his part. So if you're one
Speaker 2: of those players that are still out there obviously looking
Speaker 2: for a job, the Chiefs are a team that's so
Speaker 2: good at again seeing what's out there after that first
Speaker 2: wave and figuring out what makes the most sense. I'm
Speaker 2: excited to see what happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's why I use the offensive line not
Speaker 1: the sexiest conversation among football fans always, but we also
Speaker 1: know Coachriid always talks about the trenches and look good
Speaker 1: this offensive line has been in these back to back
Speaker 1: Super Bowl championship years. There's only eight offensive linemen on
Speaker 1: the roster right now, okay, and to lose what we lost,
Speaker 1: That's why I'm saying this second and third wave becomes
Speaker 1: very important for that room in particular, because you know
Speaker 1: you'll draft to that room, but who's out there that
Speaker 1: you can get as a value pick who becomes possibly
Speaker 1: the Drew Treng of twenty twenty four for the offensive line.
Speaker 2: And that's why Brettviach makes the money that he does.
Speaker 2: That's why he's the best GM in the game is
Speaker 2: he finds those guys. And what's so fun to learn
Speaker 2: about with our scouting department is how they are working
Speaker 2: year round on that kind of stuff. I mean, they
Speaker 2: have lists of guys at all times, like these guys
Speaker 2: are available. These guys are players that we've been interested
Speaker 2: in for a long time. And it's no mistake that
Speaker 2: Hollywood talked about this, that the Chiefs were interested in
Speaker 2: him during the draft back in twenty nineteen and it
Speaker 2: didn't work out. But all these years later, you remember that,
Speaker 2: You remember that Hollywood Brown is a player that we
Speaker 2: were interested in. And that's the case as well for
Speaker 2: free agents that are around. It's still available around this time.
Speaker 2: You can think, hey, maybe last year we were interested
Speaker 2: in that guy didn't work out, but he's out there
Speaker 2: right now. That's where the comprehensive outlook that our scouting
Speaker 2: department has is so important.
Speaker 1: And our scouting department includes the pro personnel staff. We
Speaker 1: don't talk about them as much. We talked more about
Speaker 1: the college guys, and but you look at a tim
Speaker 1: Terry and the guys that work on that pro side.
Speaker 1: We crop dust this right, we look at it and
Speaker 1: then move on to the other thousand things we have
Speaker 1: to do. They live it. Oh yeah, and they've got
Speaker 1: the little man. I mean, they've got the room up
Speaker 1: there with they you know, they're probably chuckling at me
Speaker 1: mentioned these offensive linemen. They go, well, there's like fifty
Speaker 1: five others. But those are just examples of how the
Speaker 1: second wave and third wave. To your point, and we'll
Speaker 1: put is how you win championships. So pay attention to
Speaker 1: the second wave and the third wave of free agency. Plus,
Speaker 1: we've had chiefs that have gone to Hollywood, but now
Speaker 1: Hollywood comes to the chiefs.