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Speaker 1: Thanks for making us part of your day, So j Mac,

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Speaker 1: it was interesting the I'm interested to talk to Matt

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Speaker 1: Hasselting about this. Danny parkins, I'll play it later in

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Speaker 1: the show from Chicago. Big Bears fan works on FS

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Speaker 1: one the morning Breakfastball, and he talked about it this

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Speaker 1: week about he just wants to see, you know, Caleb

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Speaker 1: Williams go from twenty touchdowns to thirty, from thirty five

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Speaker 1: hundred yards to four thousand, and I'm interested to talk

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Speaker 1: to Matt Hasselback. I don't care about any of that.

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Speaker 1: To me, it's all about the sacks with a bat

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Speaker 1: old line in New York. Aaron Rodgers got sacked like

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Speaker 1: forty times. Caleb got sacked almost seventy. If you told

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Speaker 1: me the sacks went from sixty eight to thirty four,

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Speaker 1: I don't care about the wins. I don't care about

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Speaker 1: the touchdowns. Sacks mess with a young quarterback's body and

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Speaker 1: their psychology.

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Speaker 3: Do you think it's a structure thing.

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Speaker 4: Just play in structure, don't do the backyard footballing to

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Speaker 1: I think it's a delicate balance. But everybody's talking about stats.

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Speaker 1: For Caleb Williams, all I care about. All I care

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Speaker 1: about is the sack number is in the mid to

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Speaker 1: low thirties. If that's the answer, it will have been

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Speaker 1: a successful season. Because if we have another year where

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Speaker 1: he's fifty plus sacks, you start messing with the young

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Speaker 1: guy's confidence. You mess with their timing, rhythm, their game,

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Speaker 1: their physicality. So I'm gonna get to him in just

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Speaker 1: a few minutes. But first, where Colin was right, where

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Speaker 1: Colin was wrong, Where Colin was right, we Lebron opted in.

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Speaker 1: I had said this was it two to three months ago.

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Speaker 1: When Lebron hinted it retirement, I said, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: are we going to do this again. It's four years

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Speaker 1: in a row. It's like the Brett Farb Tour. Lebron's

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Speaker 1: not retiring. He's too good. He plays joyfully. Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: is good for him. He's got Luca Dantag. Yes he'll

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Speaker 1: opt in, Yes he's gonna play.

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Speaker 2: It's nonsense, and we were right where Colin was wrong.

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Speaker 1: Well, a week ago, goalie Matt Freeze I said, look

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Speaker 1: too anxious over his head, nervous, Probably not our answer

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Speaker 1: then yesterday, during PK's three saves, got his hand on

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Speaker 1: two others. He rose to the moment. In my opinions,

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Speaker 1: her he's secured the goalie job for Team USA. Where

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Speaker 1: Colin was right. Kaylin Clark isn't just the best young

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Speaker 2: She's Tiger Woods.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday sold out her shoe in ten minutes, according to reports,

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Speaker 1: ten minutes. She's getting the most votes on the All

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Speaker 1: Star Game. She's driving half of the league's television ratings.

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Speaker 1: I said a year ago she is Taylor Swift with

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Speaker 1: a jumper. She is not just helping the league. She

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Speaker 1: literally got a teammate's jersey sold out in fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 1: Sophia Cunningham just by proxy, a player that had been

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Speaker 1: stuff sold out. She is bigger than either even the WNBA,

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Speaker 1: which has finally come around acknowledges where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: Former Pittsburgh Steeler James Harrerson last week admitted what we've

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Speaker 1: been on for years. Mike Tomlin's strength, he's a players coach.

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin's weakness, he's a players coach. Yes, many players

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Speaker 1: by the Rams. It doesn't work. So this is what

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Speaker 1: in December, January and February, and James Harrison admitting the

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Speaker 2: Player friendly where Colin was wrong. James Harden signed.

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Speaker 1: Another deal two years, forty plus million a year. Listen,

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Speaker 1: I last year he shot forty one percent from the field.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't defend, he never shows up in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: One of the great guards of all time. But if

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Speaker 1: you win in the playoffs? Who is the best defensive

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Speaker 1: the way to do it. Where Colin was right, Sean

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Speaker 1: Payton ranked number two coaching in the NFL by PFF.

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid number one. I just saw this weekend. He

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Speaker 1: He inherited a horrible culture, a mess at quarterback, moved

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Speaker 1: with Andy Reid and Jim Harbaugh, took a rookie quarterback

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Speaker 1: to the playoffs. This is what I've been saying about

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton. He is direct, he is kurt, He can

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right, I said last.

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Speaker 1: Week, there's seven athletes in America that are untradeable. Aaron

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Speaker 1: Judge Is absolutely won yesterday to homers four RBIs leads

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Speaker 1: He's not just a great Yankee. He went on a

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Speaker 1: brief hitting slump. The Yankees got shut out. He is

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Speaker 1: literally the centerpiece, as good as Otawny is if he

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Speaker 1: takes a day off. I got Mokie Betts, I got Maximunsei,

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Speaker 1: I got Freddie Freeman. He is the centerpiece of East

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was robbed.

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Speaker 1: Austin Reeves declined ninety million from the Lakers. Why his

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Speaker 1: representation believes open market or the Lakers. In a year

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Speaker 1: he's going to get closer to one hundred and fifty million.

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Speaker 1: I'd trade him tomorrow for Derek White. I think he's

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Speaker 1: a really good b player. They are nights. He has

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Speaker 1: a good shooter, not elite. But I'm wrong because apparently

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Speaker 2: What do you know?

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Speaker 1: The Tampa Bay Buccaneers extended Jason light the GM. Do

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Speaker 1: you realize the team with the longest active playoffs streak

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Speaker 1: in the NFC is the box, not the Eagles or

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Speaker 1: the Ravens or the Rams. Excuse me, Ravens refc. Jason

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Speaker 1: Light one of the best scouts ever been on this

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Speaker 1: for years. Tampa Bay for years had excellent rosters. They

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Speaker 1: couldn't get the quarterback right. Jason got Baker when a

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Speaker 1: lot of people were doubting him. He was one of

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Speaker 1: only two GMS that aggressively pursued Tom Brady. Tampa will

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Speaker 1: And with that, Matt Hasselbeck is joining us and he's

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Speaker 1: rule was just stabilize them. I'm not worried about growth.

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Speaker 1: I'm just let's stabilize. And I tend to believe that

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Speaker 1: with quarterbacks. With a young quarterback, I'm not looking for growth.

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Speaker 1: With Caleb Williams, it was such a mess last year.

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Speaker 1: Just cut the sacks in half. I don't care about

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Speaker 1: anything else, So I maybe I'm being a little over

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Speaker 1: I don't care. The sacks are everything to me. How

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Speaker 1: does that land for you?

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Speaker 5: Well, it's certainly number one. You got to walk before

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Speaker 5: you can run, is how I would say it. But

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Speaker 5: I like to give quarterbacks usually two or three things

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Speaker 5: year to the next. Think that's what helped me the most.

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Speaker 5: Sacks would definitely be at the top of the list.

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Speaker 5: Sacks hurt your team, They hurt your offensive line, they

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Speaker 5: hurt morale, they hurt your own personal like your physic.

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Speaker 6: Out, your body.

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Speaker 5: But it's also very bad on the defense, that field

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Speaker 5: positioning game. So it's a you know, this idea of

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Speaker 5: if you know, if we were assigning blame to what

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Speaker 5: why so many sacks last year in Chicago, The majority

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Speaker 5: of the sacks were not the fault of the offensive line.

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Speaker 5: They were the fault of the young quarterback. It's very common.

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Speaker 5: It's not special to Caleb. We've all lived it and

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Speaker 5: that's an area that he needs to improve on, and

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Speaker 5: I think he probably will, but it needs to be

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Speaker 1: You know, when you say he's got to get better,

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Speaker 1: is that is that pre snap? Is that holding the ball?

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Speaker 1: Some guys could. There's people open, they just don't.

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Speaker 1: They're seeking a bigger play. When you watched him, what

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Speaker 5: I think early on, you know, early on, his eyes

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Speaker 6: I think that was a big part of it.

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Speaker 5: Now, they made the head coaching change, and they made

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Speaker 5: and I think they simplified it and they brought it down.

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Speaker 5: he got away with it at USC, You're not going

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Speaker 6: It's it's it's I would say.

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Speaker 5: It's great mobility in college, and it's just kind of

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Speaker 6: And there's a fine line there.

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Speaker 5: But I think he needs to play on time more

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Speaker 5: of the playground stuff save that for when you absolutely

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 1: It reminds me of a mat a little of golf,

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Speaker 1: if you're putting improves, your score improves. The driver is

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Speaker 1: not going to win your strokes. It's all around the greens, right,

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Speaker 1: So I think, yeah, with Caleb, I don't worry about

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Speaker 6: Well, it's putt, it's what is it putt for dough drive?

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Speaker 6: For show?

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Speaker 5: You know, I would say, I would say in a

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Speaker 5: for me would just probably be overall leadership, like we're

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Speaker 5: looking at you. I mentioned body language like that bothers me.

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Speaker 5: That really bothered me how he handled that last year.

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Speaker 5: But then also like you know, you can't miss the layups,

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Speaker 6: The free throws.

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Speaker 5: He is he's gonna have splash plays, but he's also

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Speaker 1: All Right, So been on this for a while. The Rams,

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Speaker 5: Now, listen, the Steelers are just gonna do what the

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Speaker 6: We're good, but like, man, I don't know how we're

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Speaker 5: Like I do believe that there's a fear there of

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Speaker 5: We're doing what we're doing. And I think having a

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Speaker 1: I think over obviously, people have been hiring offensive coaches

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Speaker 1: And I think we're moving into a time in the end,

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Speaker 1: be clever, but the physical culture and component of that

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Speaker 2: Talk of the league. Where are you on.

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Speaker 1: Miami, McDaniel the motion to the sizzle because it's not

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Speaker 6: Are you saying fourth in the AFC East? Is that

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Speaker 2: Yes, Wow, that's bold.

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Speaker 6: I'd put him third. Listen. Culture matters one hundred percent.

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Speaker 5: I think it matters more than next as and o's

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Speaker 6: You're not in Green Bay, Wisconsin or something like that,

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Speaker 5: Distractions are real. That's a real thing. I kind of

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Speaker 5: They're swimming upstream just a little bit. Even in their division,

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Speaker 6: The Patriots are vastly improved this year.

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Speaker 5: They clearly have an identity. You know, you just look

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Speaker 6: The AFC is tough. Seven teams are going to get in.

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Speaker 5: An explosive team like the Cincinnati Bengals didn't even make

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Speaker 6: If you don't win in.

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Speaker 5: Miami, a team with a great fan base that expects

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Speaker 6: That's going to be the nature of it.

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Speaker 5: But the creativity and the the identity of what they

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Speaker 5: the potential is there. It's an interesting thing that you

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Speaker 6: He did a pretty darn good job of that.

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Speaker 5: I think they just need to take a next step,

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Speaker 5: warm weather teams, they don't perform at the end of

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Speaker 6: That'll be the test for them this year.

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Speaker 1: Matt Hasselbeck, it is a Monday. He's ad an undisclosed,

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Speaker 1: very nice location which I'll be close to in a

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Speaker 6: It's nan Tucket. Just say it now. I just outed

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Speaker 6: you on your vacation, all right.

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Speaker 1: Matt Hasselbeck, who's been a joint since he came to

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: No, I was thinking about this j Mac is that

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Speaker 2: The media likes the media.

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Speaker 1: And Mike McDaniel was seen as sort of you know,

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Speaker 1: he's a small guy physically, but he's smart. He was

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Speaker 1: what's happening in the NFL McVeigh, you say, well, mcveigh's

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Speaker 1: not big. McVeigh is an athlete, he's culture, he's smart,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not debatable.

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Speaker 1: Like there's an argument that McVeigh is probably the best

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Speaker 1: it's squirrely, it's fun, it's smart.

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Speaker 2: I am three years into this Mike McDaniel thing.

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Speaker 4: What are they I'd think it's less about him because

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Speaker 4: good job.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure you saw.

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Speaker 4: Tyreek Hill just chimed in on the trade with the

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Speaker 4: Will Smith meme from Fresh Prince of bel Air, like

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Speaker 4: it's over, there's nobody here. Tyreek Hill has been chirping

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Speaker 3: Him out of there for like two years, dealing with

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Speaker 4: To me, this Dolphins move, they're rearranging the chairs on

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Speaker 3: They're going down.

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Speaker 4: Everybody knows it, and they're just trying some last ditch

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Speaker 3: It's not gonna matter. But it's not on McDaniel though, well.

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Speaker 1: It ultimately has to be on the coach. You can

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Speaker 1: the end. You're paying the coach fifteen million. It's on

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Speaker 1: the coach. You can't blame the GM because you're not winning.

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Speaker 3: Get employed for what like a week?

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe Mike McDaniel gets a second nod. What

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Speaker 1: don't I don't, I don't. It's got a Pro Bowl quarterback.

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Speaker 1: They've gone backwards for three years, and why would I get.

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Speaker 3: Bold quarterbacks out their garbage.

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Speaker 4: That's on McDaniel. That's on quarterback for getting hurt all

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Speaker 4: the time. Okay with the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: My point being, you tell me the market that's going

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Speaker 1: Remember Miami won I think it was nineteen games the

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Speaker 4: Okay, I would definitely disagree. I think Dad almost instantly

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Speaker 4: It's not his fault. The defense got stopping nosebleed and

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Speaker 4: front office in Miami has been the downfall McDaniel.

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Speaker 3: Again, I would not blame him, Colin. I think he's excellent.

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Speaker 1: I mean, at some point in this league, the best

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Speaker 1: coaches keep winning. Andy Reid wins regardless of quarterback. Even

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Speaker 1: in Philly he was getting ANFC championships.

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Speaker 3: He had Donovan McNabb.

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Speaker 1: Come on, who's a not a top fifty quarterback ever,

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Speaker 1: not even close.

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Speaker 2: He's not. That's not disputable.

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Speaker 4: But Donny donald McNabb was a good quarterback. They had

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Speaker 4: Come on, No, no, you're not listening. I'm not denying

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Speaker 4: he is. You're saying McDaniels is. I'm saying, where's the proof.

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Speaker 4: Where's the proof?

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Speaker 3: Well, they got into the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Has any team been humiliated more by Buffalo in the

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Speaker 1: league than Miami. They get humiliated by them. They can't

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Speaker 1: compete in their own division with the best. Forget the

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Speaker 1: rest of the AFC. I mean again, I go back

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Speaker 1: to what's the market for You tell me I'm an owner. Hey,

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Speaker 1: we've got a job opening. Let's hire a guy that young.

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Speaker 1: His first job he failed at in a market that

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Speaker 1: free agents love to play, no state tax awqua water.

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Speaker 4: So who's the equivalent of the NFC? Would you say

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Speaker 4: it's the floor? Because he's not some big imposing figure.

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Speaker 4: He got delt Aaron Rodgers won a lot. Now Rodgers

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Speaker 4: is gone, and what are we seeing from the floor?

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Speaker 1: Playoffs? The Dolphins got to the playoffs under Green Bay

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Speaker 1: has no owner. Free agents won't play there. The division

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Speaker 1: is there are no bad teams in that division.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, you're dealing with the quarterback Jordan Love,

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Speaker 1: who is not who sat for three years. We still

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Speaker 1: don't know how good he is. Toua was a first

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Speaker 1: round pick who's already made a Pro Bowl. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm not a huge to a fan, but he's made

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowls. He's His comp was Drew Brees, who was

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love's comp. Who would you rather have Jordan Love

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Speaker 1: or to a well, I'd rather have Jordan Love because

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Speaker 1: he's bigger with a better arm. Today, I would three

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Speaker 1: years ago, I wouldn't. When McDaniel took the job, I

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Speaker 1: would have rather had two of than Jordan Love. Now

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Speaker 1: going into this year, I would take Jordan Law.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so Zach Taylor or Mike McDaniel, wh would you

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Speaker 4: rather have his head coach?

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't hire either.

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Speaker 1: I mean if I was an owner and there was

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Speaker 1: an opening and they were on the market, those would

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Speaker 1: not be choices.

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Speaker 4: So now Brian Dabele probably would be my choice over McDaniel.

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Speaker 3: But yes, what has Brian Dabel done as a head coach?

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Speaker 1: Colin got Daniel Jones to the playoffs and won a

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Speaker 1: playoff game.

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Speaker 3: Mine he got to the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: They just said that they didn't win a playoff game.

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Speaker 4: And now Dabel's backsliding badly.

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Speaker 2: But you're telling me got a market. My take is.

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Speaker 1: What top tier team is like, not even average team.

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Speaker 1: Well what listen, the Dolphins weren't good before him, They're

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Speaker 1: getting worse.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: How's this if Jonathan Gannet I would argue this in area.

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Speaker 1: But people may criticize Brian Flores. Brian Floor is a

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Speaker 1: better head coach. He didn't get along with Tua. Brian

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Speaker 1: Flores took the Dolphins over in eight weeks eight weeks.

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Speaker 1: We're going into year four with McDaniel. In eight weeks

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins were an elite defense and had elite special teams.

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Speaker 1: In eight weeks eight we're on year four for McDaniel.

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Speaker 1: Nobody's got the Dolphins being elite this year. You got

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Speaker 1: culture problems. Tyreek Hilling, Jalen Ramsey. Neither one either wants

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Speaker 1: to play there. One's gone. One could be that.

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Speaker 4: On McDaniel though, so by the way, they went nine

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Speaker 4: to eight playoffs eleven and six playoffs lost to the Chiefs.

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Speaker 3: No harm in that.

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Speaker 4: And in their first year they had Skyler what's his

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Speaker 4: face at quarterback as Tour was hurt and then last

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Speaker 4: year eight and nine, three years, he's twenty eight and

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Speaker 4: twenty three with two playoff trips.

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Speaker 1: I mean, are you zero and two? Laflour's got three playoffs?

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Speaker 3: Where's one for you? Are you ready?

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Speaker 4: Dan Campbell or Mike McDaniel. Dan Campbell he can build

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Speaker 4: a culture. Their culture is one of the best in

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Speaker 4: the NFL. Dan Campbell in the Lions culture. Whether you

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Speaker 4: like Dan or not, And I was not a huge

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Speaker 4: fan Initially. Their culture is out of this world. The

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Speaker 4: Lion's culture is we said there's three years ago. Nobody

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Speaker 4: in the league plays harder than Detroit. They've had major

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Speaker 4: personnel issues on the defensive side when Hutchison got hurt.

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Speaker 4: They have no defense their culture. I mean, think about this.

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Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur won two games last year with Malik Willis

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Speaker 1: at quarterback, who who Tennessee drafted an hour later said yeah, that's.

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Speaker 2: Not gonna work.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was like a second round pick. They

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Speaker 1: were like, yeah, I think you got to forget what

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Speaker 1: round he was drafted in. But they literally bailed on

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Speaker 1: him before he was like halfway through his contract. Lafleur

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Speaker 1: won two games with him. That was And if I

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Speaker 1: recall he got Malik Willis, he wasn't even on the

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Speaker 1: roster like a month earlier. Yes, with a third round pick.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't on the like the off season roster. I

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Speaker 1: think they brought him in due to an injury, and boom,

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Speaker 1: they brought him in August twenty six.

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Speaker 3: This is interesting.

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Speaker 1: You win though, and he wins two games in September.

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Speaker 3: I did not know you were this anti Mike McDaniel.

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Speaker 1: I'm not anti. It's the numbers zero and two in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: I mean he walked to the playoffs and Josh Allen

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Speaker 4: in Buffalo and Patrick Mahomes and KC. Where's the Hartt?

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Speaker 4: That one of them his backup quarterback?

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Speaker 3: What are we doing?

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Speaker 4: The Jets would take him in a heartbeat, a heartbeat

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Speaker 4: so they could have an offense.

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Speaker 3: They've not an offense in a decade.

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Speaker 2: Colin, the Jets just hired another coach. I have to

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Speaker 1: Daniel in Miami is My feeling has always been the

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Speaker 1: longer somebody is employed, the more the truth comes out.

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Speaker 1: You can be employed, have kind of a rocky six months,

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Speaker 1: but if you're there in six years, the truth will

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Speaker 1: come out that you're a very good employee.

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Speaker 2: And I think you know it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: You can have a bad year, but eventually, over time

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Speaker 1: you will see. The longer an employee is part of

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Speaker 1: any company, everybody has bad days, everybody needs a mulligan.

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Speaker 1: But Mike McDaniel, now I got three full years. Miami's

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Speaker 1: no better than they were when he took over, and

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Speaker 1: in fact, the culture's worse. So I don't want to

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Speaker 1: hear about personnel. And by the way, Kyle Shanahan has

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Speaker 1: had bad years, but over the course of time he

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Speaker 1: ends up in Super Bowls. McVeigh a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 1: had you know, a rebuild season. The following year they're

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs in his second rebuild year. The longer

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Speaker 1: any employee is at any company, the truth comes out.

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Speaker 1: I've said this with real estate agents. If they work

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Speaker 1: for ten years, take out their worst year and their

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Speaker 1: best year. What is their average the remaining eight Everybody

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Speaker 1: has good years in business, the market moves up. You know,

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Speaker 1: you sell a great home because of a friendship through

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Speaker 1: the family, and everybody has a bad year. COVID hits.

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Speaker 1: Nobody's buying homes over the course of ten years. Take

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Speaker 1: everybody's worst year out. Nobody had a good year during COVID.

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Speaker 1: Take out everybody's best year at their work. What are

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Speaker 1: the remaining eight years? Even when I think about Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fames, Matt Ryan, take out his best year, the

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Speaker 1: MVP year, take out his worst year, then.

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Speaker 2: Is he a Hall of Famer?

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Speaker 1: Probably not so, Whereas with Philip Rivers, I got more

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Speaker 1: consistency in high production, best year or worst year. Now

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Speaker 1: he may not make the Hall of Fame either. But

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Speaker 1: even if you take out Eli Manning's best year, his

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Speaker 1: second best year, he still beat Tom Brady in the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl and had one of the most iconic throws.

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Speaker 1: So quality over time, the truth will come out for

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Speaker 1: all of us over the course of our resumes or

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Speaker 1: our lives. And I'm just sitting there in Miami three

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Speaker 1: years into it. I'm like I got a bowl of nothing.

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Speaker 1: I got nothing here. The culture's average, the roster's okay

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Speaker 1: to it is fine. I thought Brian Flores in eight

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Speaker 1: weeks changed the culture the defense and special teams. You

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Speaker 1: didn't have to like Brian. You could think Brian was

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Speaker 1: too harsh and Brian didn't make the quarterback feel good

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Speaker 1: about himself. All fair eight weeks in defense, special teams culture,

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Speaker 1: you didn't want to face the Dolphins.

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Speaker 2: I remember Baltimore beat him.

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Speaker 1: I swear to god dropped seventy autumn and it was

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Speaker 1: like five weeks later You're like, yeah, nobody wants to

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Speaker 1: play Miami. That to me, the longer Brian Flores was there,

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Speaker 1: then he goes to Minnesota. The longer reas in Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: Now the defense gets better. Jmack with a.

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Speaker 2: News no, no, turn on the news. This is the

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Speaker 2: Herdline news.

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Speaker 4: All right, Colin, Let's go to the NFL. We've had

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Speaker 4: some interesting debates. This one could get ugly. The New

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Speaker 4: England Patriots a team you love this season. You know

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Speaker 4: Mike Rabel's and his head coach.

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Speaker 3: They have a.

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Speaker 4: Lot of cap space and guess what they are closely

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Speaker 4: monitoring two contract disputes. Terry McLaurin in Washington and Micah

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Speaker 4: Parsons in Dallas.

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Speaker 3: Now this is smart business for New England. Hey, we

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Speaker 3: are open for business. We've got money McLaurin, and you're

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Speaker 3: unhappy Washington.

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Speaker 4: We would gladly take him or Michael Parsons. I would

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Speaker 4: guess both of the chances of these happening are very low,

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Speaker 4: but it is a new era in New England, that's

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Speaker 4: for sure.

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Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin would be a perfect wide receiver for.

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Speaker 2: Drake May in New England.

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Speaker 1: No ego grinder, productive, I mean you cannot. That is,

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Speaker 1: if you could pick a wide receiver for a young quarterback,

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Speaker 1: mclaurin's like top to Amaran Saint Brown. Terry McLaurin would

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Speaker 1: be my first two picks. Now, they're both super talented.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're the most talented, but you're getting

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Speaker 1: an adult, uncompromised route tree, grown up, work hard, great teammate.

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Speaker 1: I have loved you and I have both loved McLaurin.

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Speaker 1: This guy is exactly what everybody wants. To get a

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Speaker 1: productive receiver. You got to get baggage with a lot

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Speaker 1: of them. This guy is a total pro.

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Speaker 3: But everything you just said is like Washington.

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Speaker 4: Why would you let him leave Jaden Daniels when Jaden

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Speaker 4: Daniels was.

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Speaker 3: Rookie of the Year. Unbelievable and McLaurin.

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Speaker 4: Had his best years of bro Like, you get your quarterback.

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Speaker 3: On the rookie deals, sign him. I don't know really what's.

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Speaker 1: Going on because Washington signed Debo to a big deal.

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Speaker 1: So do you want to pay two receivers? Charge money?

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Speaker 3: Your quarterbacks make me nothing?

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Speaker 1: Generally in the NFL? I mean some teams do DeVante Adams? Well, no,

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Speaker 1: they moved off Cooper. You don't want to pay two receivers.

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Speaker 1: You want to pay one receiver and then hopefully draft

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Speaker 1: the position. Well, it gets difficult because you don't want

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Speaker 1: to have two hyper expensive guys in one unit, right,

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Speaker 1: Like that's the problem with Cincinnati. It's like, Okay, we'll

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Speaker 1: pay Jamar, but can we pay Jamar and Burrow and

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Speaker 1: Ti Higgins? So I think I think it's harder than

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Speaker 1: you did. Once they acquire Debo. You have to sit

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Speaker 1: down and you've got to try to get the best

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Speaker 1: deal you can from McLaurin because you don't want to

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Speaker 1: be putting all that money into just one.

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Speaker 4: Unit in Let's move on to the Raiders Colin, they

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Speaker 4: obviously have Pete Carroll as their new head coach.

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Speaker 3: Chip Kelly is the OC.

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Speaker 4: Speaking at something called the Sack Summit, Max Crosby discuss

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Speaker 4: how the Raiders e vamped and said the OKAC Thunder

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Speaker 4: are something of a bootprint as they went from one

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Speaker 4: of the worst teams in the league to the title winners.

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Speaker 4: Crosby added that the Raiders has a lot of work

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Speaker 4: to do. Cowin, do you think there's any kind of

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Speaker 4: comparison here? Okay, see did go from you know, the

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Speaker 4: outhouse to the penthouse in about four years?

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Speaker 1: Well the division, let's agree on this. Has there ever

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Speaker 1: been a better coach division in football? Read Sean Payton,

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Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh, Pete Carroll. So it's like I was thinking

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Speaker 1: about It's ironic. I was thinking about this yesterday. I

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Speaker 1: was watching cost Rika USA and just you know, kind

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Speaker 1: of browsing and looking at stuff, and I thought, is

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Speaker 1: it possible? I looked at the Raiders schedule that Chargers, Broncos,

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Speaker 1: Chiefs all make the playoffs, and if you look at

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Speaker 1: the Raiders schedule, I'm like, I counted eight or nine

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Speaker 1: winnable games. Now, I mean, look at their schedule. Now,

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Speaker 1: there's some tough ones like at Philadelphia, at Houston late

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Speaker 1: in the season, Kansas City, those are tough games. But

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Speaker 1: you start looking at the schedule. Jacksonville off of bye,

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Speaker 1: Tennessee Colts, we don't know what the Bears are, Dallas, Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: There's some doubleu's here for the Raiders.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so let's start at week one. If they lose

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Speaker 4: that game, then they have to play a Charge of

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Speaker 4: the Division, very tough game. Then they play at Washington. So,

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Speaker 4: by the way, if you're tracking, that's a trip to

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Speaker 4: New England.

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Speaker 2: Then back to.

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Speaker 4: The Desert, then back to the East Coast again.

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Speaker 3: Colin they could easily start zero to three. Easily.

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Speaker 1: I'm not denying that. But anytime I see the Colts, Titans,

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Speaker 1: and Bears early in the season in a row, those

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Speaker 1: are winnable games. By then hosting Jacksonville, I mean, Dallas

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Speaker 1: and Cleveland. Back back Schottenheimer could be on the ropes

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Speaker 1: by week eleven. I'm just saying, if you told me

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Speaker 1: this team won eight games, and by the way, Kansas

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Speaker 1: City last week, how do we know they're not resting

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Speaker 1: starters for the playoffs?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Please, they're gonna be trying to get in the playoffs,

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Speaker 4: but eight or nine wins sounds about right.

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Speaker 3: The final story comes to the.

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Speaker 4: NBA where big news DeAndre Ayton, the center in Portland

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Speaker 4: is being bought out. The report adds that Ayton was

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Speaker 4: looking to play in a winning situation and wouldn't you

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Speaker 4: know it, the Lakers are in need of a center. Now.

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Speaker 4: I'm not the biggest DeAndre Ayton guy. His end in

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Speaker 4: Phoenix was very bad and ugly. He got lazy, didn't

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Speaker 4: want to work, he was unhappy.

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Speaker 3: With the touches.

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Speaker 4: I don't see how he really works with Luca and Lebron.

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Speaker 4: He kind of clogs the lane. But you know, there

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Speaker 4: are a lot of Laker fans out there who are like,

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Speaker 4: oh yeah, bring on eight.

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Speaker 3: And he's a fifteen to ten guy. I don't know

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Speaker 3: that I see it.

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Speaker 4: He's not the flexible, rim running, swatting big that like

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Speaker 4: is Derek Lively or even Nick Claxton.

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Speaker 3: He's a little more ground bound and likes to hang

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Speaker 3: in the paint.

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Speaker 1: I would love to see our guys, Ryan, what is

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Speaker 1: he ranked offensively as a center? So Aighton's very athletic,

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Speaker 1: super athletic. I mean again, you we showed you the highlights.

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Speaker 1: My question is what the Lakers are looking for because

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Speaker 1: at this point, Lebron's not an elite defender, Luca's definitely not,

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Speaker 1: and Austin Reeves is okay you need That's why Jackson

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Speaker 1: Hayes doesn't work, because he's not really a rim defenders.

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Speaker 1: He's a pogo stick. He gets you some alleued dunks.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if Ayton I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think of it as an elite defensive center.

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Speaker 1: Is he?

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Speaker 2: I don't think of it.

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Speaker 4: Never made an All Star Game and last year he

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Speaker 4: had a one one block per game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah he And that's for a guy that Scott that

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Speaker 1: that's athletic.

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Speaker 3: So he moved six percent on free throws.

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Speaker 1: No thanks, Yeah, I just I don't. I don't listen.

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Speaker 1: I think he's been a disappointment and I still think

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Speaker 1: he's really talented. I think there are fits in the

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Speaker 1: league for him, But I think what the Lakers are

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Speaker 1: looking for he doesn't provide.

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Speaker 3: In my opinion, Yeah, I don't necessarily see it. Now.

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Speaker 4: You know, if you say, hey, let's put Luke on

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Speaker 4: the let's put Lebron on the bench for five minutes

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Speaker 4: have DeAndre Aidon and Luca run pick and roll. Maybe

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Speaker 4: there's something there, but honestly, Dorian Finney Smith to me

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Speaker 4: is way more important than DeAndre eight. Okay, I like

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Speaker 4: a stretch for a big hookn shoot threes eight AND's

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Speaker 4: not that guy.

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Speaker 2: He's not that guy.

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Speaker 1: So he's got he's a little old school. I mean

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Speaker 1: he's got like an old school big feel.

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Speaker 4: Some twenty five years ago, DeAndre Ayton would have a

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Speaker 4: lot of suitors, you know, right, Yeah, J Mack with

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Speaker 4: the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The

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Speaker 2: Herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: I saw Bill Belichick quote this weekend that was really thoughtful.

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Speaker 1: I guess it happened a couple of weeks ago, and

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you how it's tied to Kayleb Williams of

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Speaker 1: the Bears.

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Speaker 2: Next. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd

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Speaker 2: weekdays and noon Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 1: So we were talking about Kayleb Williams earlier. It just

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Speaker 1: I just saw recently on the Pivot It's a it's

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Speaker 1: a posts sports podcast, and they sat Bill Belichick down

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Speaker 1: and they started asking him about Brady. And you know,

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Speaker 1: those two had a marriage for twenty years, so they

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Speaker 1: know the ins and outs, the strengths, the weaknesses, and

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Speaker 1: you know Brady didn't have a lot of weaknesses. But

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Speaker 1: it's funny about when you ask Belichick. Now, Belichick is

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Speaker 1: a defensive coach, so he's not somebody that falls in

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Speaker 1: love with creativity. He falls in love with efficiency. But

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Speaker 1: he was asked about the single greatest strength for twenty

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Speaker 1: years of Tom Brady, and this is what he mentioned.

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Speaker 8: Tom did such a great job of not allowing negative

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Speaker 8: plays to happen to our offense. No pre snap penalties,

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Speaker 8: no sacks. He kept us out of negative plays and

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Speaker 8: kept us out of long yardage. So second and ten

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Speaker 8: the worst we're going to face this, you know, third

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Speaker 8: and ten, but usually second and ten became third and

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Speaker 8: five and then you got a chance to pick it up.

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Speaker 1: That's the sport Bill Parcells years ago. It's a field

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Speaker 1: position game. You don't want to be pinned deep in

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Speaker 1: your territory punting from your end zone. And so, and

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Speaker 1: I know you see this as a sports fan, how

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Speaker 1: often last year are the Bears, despite all the talent

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Speaker 1: Romadunze and Dj Moore and Caleb Williams and Cole Comet.

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Speaker 1: It's second down in twenty one and you're punting from

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Speaker 1: the eight. You're losing the field possession game. And that

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Speaker 1: to me, I don't care about anything with Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: next year, Seriously. I don't care about his yardage. I

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Speaker 1: don't care about his touchdown passes. If the sixty eight

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Speaker 1: sacks become thirty, I'm good. Everything is going to be okay.

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Speaker 1: Here's Matt hasselback.

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Speaker 6: Earlier on that early on, his eyes were in the

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Speaker 6: wrong place. It didn't look didn't look like he had.

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Speaker 5: A clear grasp of the protection schemes.

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Speaker 6: I think that was a big part of it.

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Speaker 5: What got him into trouble in the second part of

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Speaker 5: the was he trusted his in his athleticism so much

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Speaker 5: like you saw these things that he got away with

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Speaker 5: it at USC, You're not going to get away with

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Speaker 5: it in the NFL. And I think that's one of

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Speaker 5: the hard things for quarterbacks who have great mobility. It's

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Speaker 5: it's it's I would say it's great mobility in college.

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Speaker 3: And it's just kind of like good mobility in the NFL.

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Speaker 6: And there's a fine line there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, we're always looking for the fireworks show,

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Speaker 1: but somebody's got to clean it up right and running around.

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Speaker 1: Caleb did have moments when he would run backwards. That

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Speaker 1: is a no. No works in high school sometimes in college, doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Work in the NFL. It just can't.

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Speaker 1: I remember when Fran Tarkins and used to do it.

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Speaker 1: In the seventies, athletes, the best athletes were on offense.

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Speaker 1: Now they're on defense. Like the great athletes. Now you

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Speaker 1: get a lot of them on that defensive front. You

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Speaker 1: can't go backwards, cannot go backwards. You can run laterally.

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Speaker 1: But I to me, it's all sacks, all sacks.

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Speaker 2: Clean that up. They'll be fine.

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Speaker 1: It is The team in this division that's the mystery

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Speaker 1: to me is Green Bay and they have dominated Chicago

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Speaker 1: because I just they won eleven games last year and

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Speaker 1: yet we're one in five in division.

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Speaker 2: So my I guess now.

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Speaker 1: I was talking to my buddy John Middlkoff, who filled

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Speaker 1: in last week. He's like, if you win eleven games

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Speaker 1: and your one and five in division and your quarterback

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Speaker 1: got hurt, green Bay is gonna win eleven or twelve games.

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Speaker 2: That's what they do. I can't argue out of that.

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Speaker 1: But the one thing about green Bay, here's what green

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Speaker 1: Bay rarely allows sixty eight sacks. Green Bay may not

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Speaker 1: be flashy, they may not be the most vertical team.

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Speaker 1: Green Bay doesn't beat themselves. Green Bay's not punting from

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Speaker 1: the end zone. I mean, they just don't get into

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Speaker 1: those bad field positions. Swings in Chicago, that's all they were.

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Speaker 1: Just keep it in front of you. It's like investing

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Speaker 1: for your retirement. It's amazing how far hitting doubles can go.

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Speaker 1: You don't need a lot of home runs. Just avoid

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Speaker 1: the strikeouts, just avoid the big missus hit a bunch

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Speaker 1: of doubles. All right, Last hour Alexiles.

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Speaker 2: Is coming up.

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Speaker 1: You know, Jay Mackie's one of my favorite guests. The

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Speaker 1: United States men's national team. They found a goalie. They're

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Speaker 1: moving to the semis.

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Speaker 3: Remember how nervous you were ten days ago about this.

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Speaker 3: I talked you off the legs, cowhard. Another victory for macintyle.

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Speaker 2: The hour three coming up,