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Speaker 1: at Vogel and everyone's heads tonight. It looks like Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I remember when I um when I played

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Speaker 1: pretty much anybody you put out there belongs. Putting someone

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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter that comes with the counter effect

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Speaker 1: given this take, and all you're doing is making these

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Speaker 1: I watched this game and think like, yeah, Mark would

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Speaker 1: the outcome of tonight. The Knicks were just so much

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Speaker 1: I think Drummond and Tres had three points combined or

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Speaker 1: something tonight, Like our margin FAYR is just not high

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Speaker 1: he's not. He wasn't ready for that, And immediately they

429
00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:08,920
Speaker 1: just started attacking him and pick and roll Derek Rose

430
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,639
Speaker 1: had to lay up on him, Alfred Payton had to

431
00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,600
Speaker 1: lay up on him. He just was a step slow

432
00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,119
Speaker 1: around the rim. That's not to say that he's going

433
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,400
Speaker 1: to be, you know, a perfect fit. And and uh

434
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,919
Speaker 1: and solve all their problems. But like I thought it

435
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,800
Speaker 1: was kind of messed up to not use him all

436
00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:23,680
Speaker 1: night and then all of a sudden just throw him

437
00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,400
Speaker 1: into the fire at the end. Yeah, I mean, honestly,

438
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,600
Speaker 1: like I don't think the planet was to play Marc Gasol,

439
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,119
Speaker 1: especially in these coming games. I just think tress and drumming,

440
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,720
Speaker 1: especially their body language, not just how they were playing,

441
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,040
Speaker 1: just the way they were looking on the court. Um

442
00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,399
Speaker 1: that I think that's why Marcusol playing, And he played

443
00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,680
Speaker 1: well in his minutes. I like alp paint, he I

444
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,600
Speaker 1: gotta lay up on him, but like I think him

445
00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,320
Speaker 1: just being a spacer um and give give them like

446
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,800
Speaker 1: a release valve. Right, I call him like a release valve,

447
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,560
Speaker 1: Like when Shooter has nowhere to go, he can just

448
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,199
Speaker 1: give it back to Mark and Mark and try to

449
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,920
Speaker 1: find him. He caught him on a nice back cut um.

450
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:57,959
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean the I mean Twitter is kind

451
00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,399
Speaker 1: of going crazy with Marc Gasol's minutes, but I just

452
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,919
Speaker 1: wouldn't look too deep into that right now. Like I

453
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,480
Speaker 1: don't think Vogel is going game the game and match

454
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 1: up hunting, Like I don't think he's looking at the

455
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,440
Speaker 1: Knicks roster and going. Okay, Gassul would fit here well,

456
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,440
Speaker 1: and or treads and drum would fit here well. I

457
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 1: think he's just rolling out the lineups. I just think

458
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 1: those two played so bad tonight that that's why Mark

459
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 1: got in. But you see why he's still good, Like

460
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,920
Speaker 1: he's obviously still a really good rotation player. I don't

461
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,919
Speaker 1: think he's out of the rotation. I think this is

462
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 1: just the way the minutes are are breaking right now.

463
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,360
Speaker 1: So I think this is a good problem to have.

464
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 1: And you talked about earlier with your experience with having

465
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:34,800
Speaker 1: I think it's better to have too many good players

466
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 1: right then than not. So I think this is the

467
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 1: this is the problem you'd rather have here, and I

468
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 1: think they'll they'll walk the fine line with it, obviously.

469
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:43,439
Speaker 1: But you saw Mark when he hit that three. He

470
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,159
Speaker 1: was fired up right like he was obviously excited to

471
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,159
Speaker 1: be in the game. Um, It's not like Mark was like,

472
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 1: oh man, I gotta get in here now. So uh,

473
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 1: it was good to see him at least get a minute.

474
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:54,879
Speaker 1: But it was weird that he got pulled so early.

475
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,159
Speaker 1: I thought five minutes was really quick, so that was

476
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 1: really strange. Um, but they got drumming back in and

477
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,800
Speaker 1: the game just got away from there. But I thought

478
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 1: might might played well, Yeah, I think I think they

479
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 1: took him out because he was getting attacked and pick

480
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 1: and roll and he was a step slow just because

481
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 1: he wasn't warm. But I mean, you're right. I mean, like,

482
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 1: it's amazing how the whole like optics of the game,

483
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 1: the whole optics of the floor shifted when he went in.

484
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 1: But all of a sudden, all of a sudden, TODJ.

485
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 1: Gibson's standing, you know, seventeen ft from the rim, trying

486
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 1: to decide where to go, and and now all of

487
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: a sudden, they're running these like super extensive, drible handoff

488
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 1: actions all of a sudden, like Dennis Shreoter's cutting back door.

489
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 1: There's all this stuff happening on the floor that just

490
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 1: wasn't happening before he got in the game. And that

491
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 1: goes to show you, you know something you and I

492
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 1: talked about a lot having to do with his versatility

493
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 1: and the ability to go in different directions. As you know,

494
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 1: a game dictates it. Because you know, that game wasn't

495
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:53,199
Speaker 1: a must win, and the Lakers simply lacked the personnel

496
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 1: to get the win. But let's pretend you know, it's

497
00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 1: Game three, you know, against in the first round series

498
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 1: against the Clippers, and they're down by twelve in the

499
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 1: middle of the third quarter. Drummonds, you know, shooting the

500
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,360
Speaker 1: bed for lack of a better term, and you know

501
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 1: Tread's is having a rough night, he's getting bullied by

502
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: a baker or whatever it is. You know, it's that

503
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: ability to be like, let's try Mark and see what

504
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: happens and put him at the top of the key,

505
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 1: get Lebron off the ball, whatever it is you need

506
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: to do to to try to just mix things up.

507
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 1: And when you combine that with the you know, the

508
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: ability of Lebron and Navy to go to that extra level, um,

509
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 1: you know, offensively, I think it's just I think it's

510
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,439
Speaker 1: it's an absolute value add And that's why, you know,

511
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 1: any talk he won't be he won't be bought out

512
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 1: anyway because the deadline has passed. But that's why that

513
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 1: talk never made any sense to me, because he was

514
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: he while they had a sudden depth in the front court,

515
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 1: Marcosol was the only player of his archetype, you know

516
00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: that stretched the floor. Really smart position, old offender who

517
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 1: can run your offense really with the ball in his

518
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: hands at the top of key like that. They didn't

519
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: have anybody else like that, so giving that up never

520
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: made any sense. It's like, it's the reason why you

521
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: need to have an Alex Crusoe or a PhD on

522
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: your team. But at the same time, you need your

523
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 1: Wesley Matthews and you're in your Ben Naclimore. You need

524
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 1: your guys who can feel different roles. So it's like

525
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: we're going all in on spacing with Lebron Pep playing

526
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 1: all these shooters, or like we're going all in on

527
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: running the floor and transition and just flying around on defense,

528
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 1: We're gonna play a lot of you know, Crusoe and debts,

529
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,959
Speaker 1: you know like that those are the different looks that

530
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: you need to hit different gears in a playoff series. Uh,

531
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: and it could be the difference between winning and losing

532
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: quite frankly. Yeah, And I guess my only critique with

533
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: Bogo is that, um, I would have loved to see

534
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 1: I think this would have been a perfect game to

535
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: see treasing this alve play together. I Mean, none of

536
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: the big really had it going yet, so it's not

537
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 1: like you were gonna take any menage from someone who

538
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: was playing well. I thought it had been and it's

539
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: just not. This is not taking my word for it.

540
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: He's the one that said he would try this. So

541
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,199
Speaker 1: it's the only reason why I'm still pushing on it

542
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 1: because he's the one that said he would try some

543
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: good soul and tres minutes together. But yeah, but that's

544
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: the only thing I would say with him, Like, I

545
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: don't know people are blaming Vogel for this loss. I mean,

546
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: I think it's tough, but that the Knicks played really

547
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: well and our big just had nothing going. Maybe Marcusol

548
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 1: coming in earlier helps that, but I just don't think

549
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: that would have switched this game. That the Knicks played

550
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: really well, and uh yeah, I just would have loved

551
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: to see those two at least get it shot at

552
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: some minutes together because not having any miss together with

553
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: what like fifteen sixteen games left or something whatever games

554
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 1: are left, um, is strange. For two guys who are

555
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,719
Speaker 1: so so much a part of the rotation to not

556
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 1: share the floor is a really strange thing to be

557
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 1: in this late into the season, especially when you factor

558
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 1: in the Frank has like literally said, I can't like

559
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play are exactly together, Like it just doesn't

560
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: make any sense. And especially in the game like tonight

561
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: where nothing's working, Like, man, throw something, like throw something

562
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: at the wall and see if it sticks. You know,

563
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: that's like the type of attitude that I think you

564
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: gotta have. But again, like we talked about earlier, you know,

565
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: it just has an impossible job in my opinion, and

566
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: you know, he's got this ravenous fan base behind him,

567
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: and he's in a position where it's difficult to win games,

568
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 1: and the team still has championship expectations, so it's it's tough.

569
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 1: And again, I want to give a lot of credit

570
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 1: to the New York Mix because, like you know, I

571
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: was actually thinking before the game, you know, kind of

572
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: bridging the gap over to talking about what happened with Brooklyn.

573
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 1: You know, the Lakers beat Brooklyn's asked because they just

574
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: played so much harder than them, like, so so much

575
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: harder than them, and it punched him in the mouth.

576
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 1: I mean Kevin Kevin Kevin Durant basically said so much

577
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 1: in his postgame interview, and uh, and to me that

578
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: that was kind of like this new identity that took

579
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: over the team because like last season, and then for

580
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: the first half of this season, even with as good

581
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: as they were, their effort was inconsistent. Like they would

582
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: lock in some nights and just absolutely smother teams, and

583
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: then they played team like Portland and kind of just

584
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: bs their way through the game and then get beat

585
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 1: by hot Hand, you know, And that was just kind

586
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 1: of their identity was like, you know, we can turn

587
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: it on whenever we want, but you know, like we're

588
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: we're kind of inconsistent. And then when Lebron and a

589
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: d went down, all of a sudden, like, dude, every

590
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 1: night they're they're bringing it, like every night they they

591
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: I like, I feel confident that they're going to come

592
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: out and defend, and tonight I thought their defense was

593
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 1: actually good. It was more there the other hustle stuff,

594
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: like the rebounds, the focus, the physicality. I thought that's

595
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 1: where they got kind of beat um. But it is

596
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: interesting how their new identity has shifted towards being like

597
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: this really consistent, like like blue collar type of team.

598
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: Even Frank Frank said after the next game, he's like,

599
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: I just love the way this team is playing right now,

600
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: and it's kind of been cool to see and It's

601
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: kind of fun to think about how bringing Lebron and

602
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: a D back in when the identity has kind of

603
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 1: shifted towards being like, now, all these other guys are

604
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: so consistent in their hard work that they kind of

605
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: have to match that. Yeah, exactly, And that's the point

606
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: of this team is like they're not going to give up, right.

607
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: I think the Knicks had a couple like double digit

608
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: leads that the Lakers kind of came back on. I

609
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: thought the defense was fine tonight. Honestly, other than the

610
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: offensive rebounding like that, they defended pretty well. And again,

611
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: when you get nothing from you know, Treds, who who's

612
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: the double double Jude score under Drummond, gave him nothing

613
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: on offense tonight, and they still had They still had

614
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: a chance to win this one and with a hopefully

615
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: a D can come back pretty soon. Yeah, I guess

616
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: the Nets, I mean, going from LaMarcus Alders and Blake

617
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: Griffin to like TODJ. Gibson and even though TODJ. Gibson

618
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,479
Speaker 1: is also as older, but um, TODJ. Gibson and New

619
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: Orleans done well and guys like that against this also

620
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: knickst events that prides themselves on there, you know, and

621
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: how hard they play on that end as well. Um,

622
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: it's just a total different, you know, team that you

623
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 1: play against. But I don't think that takes away from

624
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: how impressive you know what I mean that that Nets

625
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: win was. I mean, that's a team that again was

626
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: spotting Kevin Durant on the other side and Kyrie Remming

627
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: for a half tonight. The Lakers just didn't didn't score enough.

628
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, when you when you think about putting Lebron

629
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: and a d back on this team, hopefully, it's just

630
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: it should be a seamless fit. Right when you pit

631
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: superstars back in um, and you have now two guys

632
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,239
Speaker 1: who are also just probably the best defenders of their

633
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: position as well. UM, putting them onto a team that's

634
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: already locking down, Um, it should be. It should be

635
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: really good and they should be able to pick up

636
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: more wins going. So it's a winnable game tomorrow as well.

637
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: They play Charlotte tomorrow on the road, and I think

638
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: they can get that one. No, LaMelo, LaMelo's out for

639
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: the year obviously, and we'll see. But yeah, I think

640
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: that pretty much sums this game. That Knicks just they

641
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: played a lot better, a lot harder. You can tell

642
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: the difference between the Knicks and Nets on what they

643
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: prioritize on their teams. What was your biggest takeaway from

644
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: the Nets game? I want to touch on that game

645
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: just for a few minutes before we start getting other

646
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: people involved here. Yeah. For me, I think it's like

647
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: the Lakers, obviously they play hard every night. I think

648
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: that that's what it showed, right, showed their culture is

649
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,719
Speaker 1: just to play really hard on defense and if they

650
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: can get open shots to go in, like they can

651
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: blow teams out, like don't come with the requisite effort.

652
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: And obviously the Nets didn't. You know, obviously with with

653
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: how shorthand the Lakers are in Superstar, they didn't come

654
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: with the records the effort as if Lebron and he

655
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: were playing. And if you don't do that, Lakers are

656
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: gonna defend well. And I thought their game plan was

657
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: great rewatching that game, how they defended Kevin Durant, especially

658
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: when Kyrie went out. Their double teams and traps rotations

659
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: were pretty perfect that night, and then they got open

660
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: threes to go t hit a bunch of threes. Ben

661
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: Malcolmore obviously got hot, uh and then there I guess

662
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: I want to ask you, I guess about Ben Malcolmore

663
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: really quickly, because I thought it was impressive tonight that

664
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: even though he started like one for four, um, he

665
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: still takes those like tough threes even though he's not

666
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: having it going. I think that's something this team needed.

667
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: I know you're hot, You're hot on Ben Malkimore. Um,

668
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: so what do you think of him these last least

669
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: as two games. Yeah, I'm super high in him. I

670
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: think he makes so much sense with this roster. I

671
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: thought Maples again had had something that he said in

672
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: his podcast on on Sunday that was super interesting, having

673
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: to do with just his aggression, Like this is something

674
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: we all talked about with KCP. Like when KCP is

675
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: in a rhythm and he's really going, it's like he's

676
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: flying up the floor and transition like he's got a

677
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,959
Speaker 1: really quick trigger. He's got a really quick trigger. Hit

678
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,479
Speaker 1: a quick trigger tonight, like I man, if he had

679
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: any space, it was going up and he just looked

680
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: really confident in his decisions. And then it just all

681
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: kind of fades. When he's not playing well, you know,

682
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: everything FA's his defense made. He'll like he'll start getting gunshy,

683
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: like he'll pass up on open shots, we'll start pump

684
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: making a ghost and whereas like when he's really in

685
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: a rhythm, he doesn't even need much space and he'll

686
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: just go up. But Ben Ben just has a completely

687
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: different ideology and it comes from his whole approach to

688
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: the game, but it also comes from the confidence that

689
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: the group feeds him. But he just basically is ready

690
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: to fire if there's even an inch of space, and

691
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter that he's over four. You know, that's

692
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: his whole mentality. And to me, you know, everything is

693
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: about the perception of space. Like a th hd actually

694
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: shot from three, it's not going to change the fact

695
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: that teams aren't gonna guard him. Like that's the difference

696
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: There's it was the Rondo effect from last year, Like

697
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: Rondo would make some threes, but the possessions where Rondo

698
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: would make a three, we're like this really stupid stagnant

699
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: possession where everybody's kind of standing around, and then Rondo's like, dad, fine,

700
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: I guess I'll shoot it, and like he made of them.

701
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: But like it was I don't want to say it

702
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: was a net negative to the offense, but it wasn't

703
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: like a really cool, like popping around possession that ended

704
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: in somebody making a shot. It was always like a

705
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,959
Speaker 1: different type of deal. And you know, McLamore gives you

706
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: some of that really fluid shooting that's gonna really generate

707
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: real space for the shooters and the Lebron's and the

708
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: in the Anthony davis Is of the world to get

709
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: to work around the paint um. And then you know

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00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: what a couple of huge takeaways I had from that

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00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Nets game. First of all, like Kyrie Irving is

712
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving. He's You're not stopping him. I mean, like

713
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: as someone who as someone who watched him every single

714
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: night for years, like you, you're not going to stop

715
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: that guy. And I've watched him against the very best

716
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: defenses in the league, like against Clay Thompson in the

717
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: Golden State Warrior defense that was all over the place.

718
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: He's gonna get to his shots. But there's a difference

719
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: between like Kyrie making it look too easy and making

720
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: him work for his stuff. And I thought the Lakers

721
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: demonstrated in that game, especially through Dennis Shooter at the

722
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: point of attack, just picking him up full court, making

723
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: things difficult for him. That that it like legitimately made

724
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: him work hard. And then one of the craziest things

725
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: I've ever seen um And I know there was another

726
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,239
Speaker 1: story surrounded this, and I don't even want to get

727
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: into it, but the like Dennis got in his head

728
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: a little bit and legitimately psyched him out because I've

729
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: never ever in my time watching Kyrie seen him do that.

730
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: I have never seen him lose his cool and start

731
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: like cutting a player out and like freaking out and

732
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: leaving the floor. That just was never his personality. He

733
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: was so like his on court demeanor was always so

734
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: different and and I think Shrewder deserved some credit for

735
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: that just by being a test Like he just irritated

736
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: him all night and then whatever was said that was

737
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: said that put him over the edge, that's a separate story.

738
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: But what got him to that point of irritability was

739
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: then as Shrewder and the work he was putting in defensively,

740
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: and I thought that that was really really interesting in

741
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 1: the way that it affected him, and that's something stupid

742
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 1: like that is something that can have a significant impact

743
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: on the playoff series to where you feel comfortable in

744
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: that matchup, Like yeah, Kyrie is going to get his

745
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: twenty four tonight, but Dennis is gonna make him work,

746
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: and it's not going to be as impactful as it

747
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: would be if we were giving up a significantly worse matchup,

748
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Yeah, and Shrewder was scoring right

749
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: back on him, right like. I think that's where the

750
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: crustation was going on. I don't think any of that

751
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: probably well, I mean what happened with him is a

752
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: different story, as you said, But yeah, Screwder was scoring

753
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 1: on him. They were kind of hunting him, making him defend,

754
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: making him go around screens, um, and just making him

755
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: work for his points right like he had PhD had

756
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: an awesome defensive posession on him. Kyrie just hit a

757
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: ridiculous shot, But yeah, Shooter was magic him bucket for bucket,

758
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: And I think that's what important. What's important. You're not

759
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: gonna match Kyrie's production with Shooter, I don't think. But

760
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: I like, he puts up twenty four and Shooter can

761
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: put up seventeen eighteen. Um. I think that's a win

762
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: in that kind of in that kind of series, and

763
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: they're gonna make him work. I think that again, the

764
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: Lakers Nets matchup we've been through as a really fascinating

765
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: kind of difference in styles. Um, and like the Lakers

766
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: want to kind of bully you, and I thought Drummond

767
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: and Uh kind of showed that right, Like I like

768
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: my one of my big takeaways from the game is

769
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: I don't think LaMarcus Arger just playable, you know Lakers

770
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: Net series, Like, I just don't think you can run

771
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: him out with against like even just Andre Drummond. But

772
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: when a d gets to Lebron, Uh, those guys are

773
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: just gonna feast at the rim. So they're gonna have

774
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: to rely on thirty five year old Aldredge or how

775
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: rold Blake Griffin is or twenty twenty one year old

776
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: Ceedie Claxton. So that's a thing that they're going to

777
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: have to figure out or just run Jeff Green at

778
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 1: the five. So um, that's that's kind of my main

779
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: takeaway from that NETS game that Lakers are gonna pretty

780
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,959
Speaker 1: much get to the room and they want obviously harder

781
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: and Kyrie Katie are hell to defend. But like that

782
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: that was my main takeaway is like this, it's gonna

783
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: be a Lakers are gonna try to make that a

784
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: bruising matchup while the Nets are going to try to

785
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: make that like a speed kind of run run down

786
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: the core offensive game. Yeah, so that was the second

787
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 1: thing I was going to get at, and I think

788
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 1: you at the nail on the head. It just has

789
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: to do with the way the matchups worked out. And

790
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: if you remember when when when Ben McLamore got signed,

791
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: I told you that one of the main reasons why

792
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: I wasn't as concerned about him defensively is that the

793
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: way that the way that the Laker defense was set

794
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 1: up was different from the Houston defense. Because the Houston defense,

795
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: which is more or less the same as the Brooklyn defense,

796
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: the switch everything defense, it's all about leaving guys on

797
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: an island. And they do it on purpose because even

798
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: if you do score, um, the idea is it stagnates you.

799
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: They want they want you to not move the ball around.

800
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: They want you to continue to attack in isolation. And

801
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: I'll give you two quick examples to kind of show

802
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: the juxtaposition between the two. So Andre Drummond gets a

803
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 1: post up against LaMarcus Aldridge, they're not sending help. It's

804
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 1: like you got on LaMarcus. We'll see what happens because

805
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's gonna bog down their offense or whatever

806
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: it is that they're hoping to do, and and Andre

807
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 1: just just completely bullies him. So and Tonight's in tonight's game,

808
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: Ben McLamore gets a switch and he ends up on

809
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: Julius Randall immediately the Lakers Lakers and a double in

810
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: the double, there's a chaotic rotation that leads to a

811
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 1: contested r J. Barrett corner three. Because the Laker defense

812
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 1: is completely different from the way that that Brooklyn Nets

813
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: defense is set up. They are all about helping each

814
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: other and they never want to give up a mismatch

815
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: if they can avoid it. And it's all about trusting,

816
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: like making up for personnel weaknesses with extra effort plays.

817
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: That's like the whole way that their their their system

818
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: is set up, and ironically that the Knicks are set

819
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: up the same way, because guess what, like Andre Drummond

820
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 1: can just as easily bully Newlands Noel as he can

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00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: uh LaMarcus Audreys. The differences is the Knicks were like,

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00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 1: we're not gonna let bully Netherlands Noel, Like we're gonna

823
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: dig at him, We're gonna dive at the ball like that,

824
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: every time you put the ball on the floor, there

825
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: were hands in there like it was it was congestion,

826
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: and it was it was. It was just just a

827
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: total chaotic environment around the paint that made it so

828
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: that LaMarcus was man every time you put them on

829
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: the floor. It seems like something bad happened, you know.

830
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: But that's the difference between those two defensive concepts. And

831
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: when I look at that series now, you know, the

832
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: Lakers had and the Dennish Shrewder stuff in the first

833
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: half of that game where he was just absolutely destroying,

834
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: you know, like you make Claxton and in all Dredge

835
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 1: and all these guys on switches and then every single

836
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: time they drop into the paint, he just made them

837
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: pay from the three point line. Shruder is just yet

838
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: another option that the Lakers can go to against that

839
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: switching defense to attack specific mismatches, like now you can

840
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 1: throw it down to Al Dredge in the post against

841
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 1: the Katie or against LaMarcus Aldridge. You can get Shrewder

842
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: working in switches against the Bigs on the perimeter. You

843
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 1: can get Lebron in the post. You can get Lebron

844
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 1: on the perimeter you can get Anthony Davis in the post.

845
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: Anything Davids can spot up at the three point line.

846
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: They have all these different methods of attack and and

847
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: I think like in a weird way, you know, in

848
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 1: the same way that the next events kind of shut

849
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 1: down the Lakers tonight, you know, the Brooklyn Nets defense

850
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 1: is going to kind of keep things open for the

851
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: Lakers and played directly into their hands because the Lakers

852
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: are not a heavy motion type of offense. They've always

853
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 1: even with Lebron and maybe they've always been attacking certain

854
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: matchups type of offense. And so like, I have my

855
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: big takeaway from that game as I think they're built

856
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: for that, yeah, for sure. And that's why I think

857
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: even just a D coming back would help this team

858
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: so much, because you could tell, like there are so

859
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: many possessions where they'll just look at each other like

860
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: what are we running here? And you know you could

861
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: see Shooter move his hand a lot, like all right,

862
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 1: let's just let's run this, you know, a little little

863
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: double drag here for KCP or get Kuzma coming off

864
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: the screen or something like just to run sets. And

865
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: I think with a D coming back, just have a

866
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 1: guy that you know like, Okay, he's the first option here,

867
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: like this is what we're going to and then play

868
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: out of that would would help them so much against

869
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: the Nets. Again, like that's their defense is just like

870
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: I see the Lakers as a team that if you

871
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: get an advantage against them, you have to take it.

872
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: You can take an advantage of that in like a

873
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 1: split second, right, So let's say when they trap, you

874
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: have like to you have like a split second to

875
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: decide where you want the balls to go, and they

876
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: make guys who aren't making decisions like that have to

877
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: make those decisions, so like Bruce Brown had to make

878
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,479
Speaker 1: those Bruce trying to make those decisions, Jeff Green, et cetera. Again,

879
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: when when they have all their stars back, it'll be tougher.

880
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: But again, I think that's what they want to do,

881
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: is all their traps are going to try to make

882
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: guys who don't who aren't good at making really quick

883
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: first read high i Q pass read decisions have to

884
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: make those passes at a high level. And you can

885
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: see what happens, especially against the nets. Um they had

886
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: really trouble creating good offense and uh yeah, that's what

887
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: the Lakers doing. The Nets with their defense. When I

888
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: was rewatching the game, it was like, once they get

889
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 1: once they get beat, once it's over, they just let

890
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: the advantage stay. Like when th Hd would come with

891
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 1: pick and roll and Aldridge would would help. No one's bat,

892
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: no one's on the back line, so it would just

893
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: be a layup for Drummond or or Treads whoever was there.

894
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: Treads got like five dunks on just sitting in the

895
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 1: dunker spot waiting for the ball because the rim protection

896
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: just wasn't there off the help. So, yeah, these two teams,

897
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: like the Knicks and the Nets, are just totally different

898
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: in terms of their identities and what they're kind of

899
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: going for right now, and that I think that was

900
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: a difference in the two games. Yeah, And the microcosm

901
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,919
Speaker 1: of the of the Brooklyn Nets kind of like lack

902
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: of cohesive defense was that play after Ben McLamore made

903
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 1: all the threes where they had basically Montres Harold's said

904
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: a pin down for um for Ben coming off the

905
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: screen and and then basically Tries just slipped the pin

906
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: down and too Brooklyn Nets guys ran with Lackamore and Treads,

907
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 1: Treads was wide open for the back doorality of dunk

908
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: like that to me is it reminded me of watching

909
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: like the two seventeen Calves who were so sloppy in

910
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: their defensive cohesiveness, and that just seeing those two different

911
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: defenses two nights apart, the nets in the mix, there's

912
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: such a huge difference between the two of them, and

913
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: I I think that that stuff matters in a playoff

914
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: series where each possession carries so much value, that team

915
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: that is more cohesive defensively is going to gain a

916
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: significant advantage. Or Now whether or not that's enough to

917
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: make up for the difference between you know, a team

918
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: that has James Harden, Kevin Durant, m Kyrie iring on it,

919
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: we'll find out. But that's why I like your chances

920
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: in that matchup. But Roger, I made you do your

921
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: host so you want to get some people involved in here? Yeah? Sure.

922
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: So if anyone wants to come up and uh talk,

923
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: give a comment, question which whichever, or just you know

924
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: Ben thought about the game or anything, just request the

925
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: speak and I'll add you up. Meanwhile, I'll go through

926
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,479
Speaker 1: the chat here. Um, they said, one of them says

927
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: where the Lakers turnovers mostly on force. Um said they

928
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 1: shot themselves on the foot. I would agree with that, right, Jason.

929
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: Most of these were on force turnovers. I mean, the

930
00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 1: next defense was good, but a lot of these were

931
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: just I think he spoke a while Eli there. They

932
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: were just bad passes. Are you know, bad ideas, just

933
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: things with very very high risk, low reward kind of

934
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: passes exactly. It's the it's the difference between what the

935
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: end result of the past would be. Like when you

936
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 1: throw a turnover on a swing pass or in any

937
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: sort of bailout pass where you've got into the paint,

938
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: no one's really open, and you're just throwing the ball

939
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: up in the air, and it's a turnover. It's an

940
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: unforced error, but it's also a turnover that carry absolutely

941
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: no potential for reward, whereas like if Lebron throws a

942
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: full core pass the k CP streaking the floor and

943
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,439
Speaker 1: the dude picks it off, it's like, if that pass

944
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,959
Speaker 1: gets through, it's a dunk. You know, there's a there's

945
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 1: a difference there, So at least you can you can

946
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: paint that as as as part of the process of

947
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: trying to generate offense. But yeah, I think I think

948
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: the Lakers absolutely had as of late, a lot of

949
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: unforced turnover, a lot of un first errors, and a

950
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: lot of turnovers that don't carry the benefit um that

951
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: could come when the pass act really is completed. Yeah, exactly.

952
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: And again, anyone wants to come up, let me know,

953
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 1: or you can just type a question in the chat.

954
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: I'll read as well. Um. So another one. Drummond looked

955
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: bad tonight. There are points where he looked a little disinterested.

956
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: I wonder if that was a lack of post ups.

957
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: I don't think it was from a lack of post ups.

958
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he understood how he was being defended.

959
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 1: They were just trapping him. He did have some bad

960
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: body language, but I think that was just he could

961
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: tell he wasn't playing well. And him and Tres both

962
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: they looked like they were coming from the same kind

963
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: of energy tonight. They just didn't have it, and that

964
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: that happens sometimes. Yeah. No, Roger had mentioned earlier that

965
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: you just had bad audio language, and so did Montres.

966
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: And I thought they both got discouraged just by how

967
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: badly they were getting outplayed. And you know, some of

968
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: that is like the pressure that comes with being in

969
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: the position they're in, you know, I think I think

970
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: it's a lot of pressure to know, like like it was,

971
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: I'm one of the players when montrese like I think

972
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: it was the one that you mentioned earlier, he tried

973
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: to shoot that little whimpy floater over TODs and got blocked,

974
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: Like like see him running down the floor thinking like

975
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: for the people on Twitter hate me for that one,

976
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: you know, like that's just kind of the vibe that

977
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: surrounds him sometimes. But yeah, I mean, as far as

978
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: his role in the offense goes and getting touches, like,

979
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: I would hope that there's communication coming from the alpha's

980
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: in that locker room that would prevent anybody from getting

981
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: to how it might be for for what their role

982
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: is going to be, you know what I mean exactly. Yeah,

983
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: and another one, um Trez was too small tonight. Yeah,

984
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: we just touched on it. I'm not sure if it's

985
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: how it was mostly the thing. I think he just

986
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: had a bad night, but Gibson and uh Nobel really

987
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: really put it to him very hard to rebound with

988
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: Tress on the floor. If there's no gang rebounding, it's curtains.

989
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: I mean, Tress is a pretty good offensive rebounder, which

990
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: I was kind of surprised why he struggled so much.

991
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: I think I think again, I think the side just

992
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: got to him tonight. But the whole team kind of

993
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: struggled with that. They weren't really boxing out, and the

994
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: Knick star team that really crashed the boards. I haven't

995
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: looked at the numbers, but I believe they're one of

996
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: the best offensive rebounding teams um in the league. But yeah,

997
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: that that was just tough. What do you think about

998
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: the offensive rebounding, Jason? Was that just the Lakers not

999
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: boxing out? Was that um uh, the Nicks just attacking

1000
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,479
Speaker 1: the boards or just maybe a mixture of both there

1001
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: like that. Like I said earlier, I thought that that

1002
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: was the area where their effort was lacking. Like I thought,

1003
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: thank you and I both agreed that their defense was

1004
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 1: was dialed in plenty. It was more just all of

1005
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 1: this stuff on the periphery of that where they got

1006
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 1: out worked by New York. As far as Montrez's offensive

1007
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 1: rebunding goes, it's interesting because guys who are really really

1008
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: good offensive rebounders, a lot of them don't do it

1009
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: with positioning like that. You know, there's different types of rebounders.

1010
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: There's you know, your your Moses Malone type of a

1011
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: rebounder or just did it in his entire career by

1012
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,919
Speaker 1: by gaining position on guys. And then there's the Kyle

1013
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: Kuzma type that the Montrese Harold type. You guys who

1014
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: get offensive rebounding get offensive rebounds basically by crashing. You know,

1015
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: they're they're relentless crashers. And the differences is, you know,

1016
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: h on the other end, they you know, when you

1017
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: when you're a positional rebounder, you dig the contact. You're

1018
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: constantly involved in box outs and you're seeking bodies and

1019
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: you're always trying to gain position on people. Well, when

1020
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: you're a crash you're like, you're you're kind of anti

1021
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: contact in a lot of ways because your your whole

1022
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: purpose of what you're doing is to avoid bodies. And

1023
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: I think I think Montrese just he's bad at boxing

1024
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: out and and it's because his whole you know, embracing

1025
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,240
Speaker 1: you know, the physicality of the game, he's all about

1026
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: avoiding that contact in order to slip by guys the rebounds.

1027
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: Even as a post up player, he's not like a

1028
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: Mantrese is not necessarily like a put it for your

1029
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: chest type of post up player, Like he's the guy

1030
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: that will face you up and new crossovers and do

1031
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: sweeping hooks and things like that. He's more of a

1032
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: like he can do like a power dribble finish, you know,

1033
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: when when he's gonna catch and finish type of role.

1034
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: But he's he's you know, he's not the kind of

1035
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: guy that that is is great at the actual you know,

1036
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: physicality of rebounding, you know, getting attached to people's bodies,

1037
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: squatting load and pushing them out of the paint so

1038
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: that they can't jump, because more often than not, dudes

1039
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: are just reaching and jumping over the top of him

1040
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: and getting it. And if you do a good box out, like,

1041
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: no one's getting that. No one involved in the box

1042
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 1: out is getting the rebound, even the guy who's doing

1043
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: the boxing out. You leave it to the guards to

1044
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: come in and crash. And I just think that that's

1045
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: a personal weakness of his. And you know, Mantrese, just

1046
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: like you and I have talked to so many times,

1047
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 1: you mentioned like if Montrese was an amazing defensive rebounder,

1048
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: an amazing offensive rebounder, and an amazing defender who also

1049
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: gave me twenty points and sixty shooting every night, he'd

1050
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 1: be an All Star, Like he'd be a super Max

1051
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: player like that, like the all of these dudes. When

1052
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: you're getting down these depth charts come with positives and negatives,

1053
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: and if they didn't, they would be thirty million dollar

1054
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: year superstars. And so Mantrese's weakness, one of his weaknesses

1055
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: has got a few. But one of his weaknesses is

1056
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: that he's not great as a physical, boxing out type

1057
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: of of of big that can help secure defensive rebounds.

1058
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: It's a little area of weakness with this game. Yeah,

1059
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: And what's funny about him is like, um, I think

1060
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: I said the statuar that he's passed out like four

1061
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: times after getting the pall in the post like all

1062
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 1: season or some some low number like that. But he's

1063
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: like he tries to dunk when you know there's like

1064
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: four people around him, so he'll be like physical then,

1065
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: but when it's like a one on one matchup, he'll

1066
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: like drive and then fade away doing like a hook

1067
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: shot or something like that. So it's funny when he

1068
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: gets physical. Beyond the boards, he's not really much especially

1069
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: defensive rebounding is where he struggles. Um, he's a better

1070
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: offensive rebounder. He has nice touch around the rim. Um

1071
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: let me see here yet, shout out James. He said,

1072
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: I think this is the point that we kind of

1073
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,439
Speaker 1: agree with Bogol just collecting data points right now, um

1074
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: finishing up. The politics of playing Trey and Tres overmark

1075
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: playoffs will be different. I think we agree. I'm not

1076
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 1: sure how much politics of it is, but I mean,

1077
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: I think Bogol's getting data points. I don't think he's

1078
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: going into these um matchup you know, matchup dependent right now. Lakers,

1079
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: I don't even think have the talent for that to

1080
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: be matu depending. But I don't think he's doing that.

1081
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: Would you agree with that the playoffs will be different?

1082
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: I probably played a lot more. You know, treads is

1083
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: out or you know, whatever matchup we go, weever matchup decides. Yeah.

1084
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: I mean think I think of it this way, like,

1085
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: how how often last year did we get frustrated with

1086
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: available kings mints right and then and then when push

1087
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: came to shove, those minutes just ceased to exist because

1088
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you know, like there's

1089
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: there's a sense of urgency that clicks in at specific

1090
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: moments in the postseason where it's time to stop messing around.

1091
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: But but I agree that I think he's just kind

1092
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: of trying to see what works and and getting a

1093
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: feel for specific lineups and try to see because some

1094
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: of some of its natural fit and some of it's

1095
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: not natural fit, and you just kind of gotta feel

1096
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: things out. Like there's that moment earlier this year where

1097
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: they started every fourth quarter with you know, talent Horton, Tucker,

1098
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: Von Tres Harrell and and Lebron and they just would

1099
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: blitz teams to start the fourth quarter, like you just,

1100
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: oh crap, Like there's something there that works and we

1101
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: need to kind of see what's going on there. Like

1102
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 1: I think that's that's all it is. And I want

1103
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 1: to reiterate what I said at the beginning of the show,

1104
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: which is a Frank Vocal has an impossible job. He's

1105
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 1: he's a head coach of a team with the largest

1106
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: and most ravenous fan base in the n b A,

1107
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: with championship expectations and playing without the two stars that

1108
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: the entire roster was built around um and and he

1109
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: has vastly exceeded expectations in this stretch and you know,

1110
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: I always talked like with the with the I used

1111
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: the Warriors as an example, Like teams like the Warriors

1112
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: fan base has been so relentless in criticism of Steve

1113
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: Kerr and in criticism of everybody on that roster, and

1114
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: it's so ridiculous because it's like, Dude, they lost Clay

1115
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: Thompson and they lost Kevin Durant in the last two

1116
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: off seasons and they're basically playing with a duct taped roster.

1117
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: And if you anybody that knows basketball that you asked

1118
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: before the season, you'd have been like, yeah, they're fighting

1119
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: for the eighth seed. And guess what, they're fighting for

1120
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: the eight seed. And so the idea that they're actually

1121
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 1: in terms of what the end results of these games are,

1122
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: they're doing fine, but people are so obsessed with, you know,

1123
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: micromanaging what's an impossible job that Speaker has now, which

1124
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: is winning games in a ridiculously stacked Western Conference without

1125
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: the talent advantage. He's more or less doing exactly has

1126
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: as we expected him to do. And that's kind of

1127
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: what Frank is dealing with right now. Like he literally

1128
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: was dealt a crap handed cards where his two best

1129
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: players went down with an injury. Kuzma has been down

1130
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 1: with an injury at some points. You know, Gasol went

1131
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,720
Speaker 1: down for a little bit, you know, Dennis getting ejected

1132
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: in the middle of the game. He's been dealt crappy

1133
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: handed cards over the last twelve games. And if you

1134
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: would have told us before that stretch, with all of

1135
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: the personnel issues that they'd have, that they would go

1136
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: five and seven and have like huge wins along the way,

1137
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: we'd all be like, absolutely, sign where where do we sign?

1138
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: We'll take that, you know, And I think like we

1139
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: all need to kind of understand and adjust our expectations

1140
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: and and and cut Frank a lot of slack for

1141
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: what it's just a really difficult job that he has

1142
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, exactly. I Mean, no one was talking

1143
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 1: rotations when they were up twenty on the nets, right

1144
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: I Mean I tweeted today like did we already forget

1145
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: that Nets game happened? I mean that was Saturday, Saturday,

1146
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: which is like two days ago. And people are like, man,

1147
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: big Voga doesn't know how to coach, Like, come on, man,

1148
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: he's coaching the number one defense right now without Lebron

1149
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: James Anthony Davis take seventy million dollars cap Forget the

1150
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: two players, take seventy millions of dollars of cap room

1151
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: off of any team and see how they played. So

1152
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: I think they've definitely overgone expectations. Um, shout out. Michael

1153
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: Moraless says, when Bron and a D come back, what

1154
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:39,720
Speaker 1: role do you see drumm and playing on the offense.

1155
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: He was like, we won't see too many drumm and

1156
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 1: post ups when they get back, So I think his

1157
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: impact on offense is kind of muted. Yeah, I mean,

1158
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: I think we've talked about this a lot. I mean,

1159
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: his role is gonna change. He's not gonna be a

1160
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: post up guy. Guy that throw it into that's gonna

1161
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: be Lebron. That's gonna be a D. And then he's

1162
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: gonna guy that's gonna be able to crash offensive rebounds. Um,

1163
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 1: the nick sent like two guys to him, and if

1164
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: you saw this Jay today on the offensive, on the

1165
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: defensive rebounding, they sent two guys to box him out specifically,

1166
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: and he couldn't get any offensive I think he got

1167
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: only like one or two offensive rebounds tonight. I have

1168
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 1: to check and check the numbers, but it felt like

1169
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 1: he didn't get um that many. And yeah, I think

1170
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: his role is gonna change. He's gonna buy a guy

1171
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: that taxes the boards, sit in the dunker spot, um

1172
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: get very little. He's gonna get like the jabail kind

1173
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: of like, hey here's a possession, go go nuts, you

1174
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But other than that, I think

1175
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: he's going to be a guy who just fits into

1176
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: the fits into the role. And uh, yeah, he got

1177
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: one offensive rebound tonight, so he had not nine defensive

1178
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: rebounds one offensive rebound, which kind of fit the tape

1179
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 1: for me that they really went to box him out.

1180
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, so what do you think his role will

1181
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: be when they get back, when when the two Stars

1182
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 1: get back? Well so, more or lesser. His entire career,

1183
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: he's been either the primary focus of the defense or

1184
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: the secondary focus of the defense. And and just about

1185
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: every lineup he'll be exposed to in this postseason run,

1186
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: he'll be the third or fourth, you know, pity defensive defensively,

1187
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 1: the other team, they're not gonna be able to throw

1188
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: multiple guys at him. And I kind of see him

1189
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: doing exactly what he did against the Nets, which is

1190
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: specific mismatches when there's lots of space around him for

1191
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: him to go to work, because he's just sloppy with

1192
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: the ball. But when he has lots of space to

1193
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: go to go to work, not as much congestion and

1194
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 1: surrounded by other high i Q players, I see them

1195
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: feeding him to attack specific match up. But also just

1196
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: you know, like I mentioned in our last pod, just

1197
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 1: fatigue oriented possessions like the you know, the Lebron's out

1198
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: there with the bench shooter in eighty year on our

1199
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 1: are on the bench getting rest, and you know, Lebron

1200
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: has been aggressive on three or four straight possessions, and

1201
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: they feed Drummond almost as like a like an on

1202
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: core type of rest situation for Lebron to just try

1203
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: to generate something that's kind of what I mainly see

1204
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: for him. Um. And then like he's literally never ever, ever, ever, ever,

1205
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: ever ever come close to playing with anybody who remotely

1206
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: resembles what the Ron can do as a ball handler.

1207
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 1: Ver So I don't think we know what it's gonna

1208
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: look like. I think there's a whole other part of

1209
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: this game that we're going to be exposed to. Um.

1210
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 1: Just as you know, a pick and roll uh screener

1211
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: with a new elite decision maker. That's something that he

1212
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 1: never had before. I mean, we just look at what

1213
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: Lebron helped do for a D last year. It's just

1214
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: kinda kind of just think of a similar type of

1215
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: of of development for for Drummond as well. Yeah, I

1216
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: forget Adie. Look what he did for Damien Jones this year.

1217
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: I mean Jones fifteen or sixteen from the field of

1218
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: the Laker and it still wasn't enough for sit for

1219
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: that rest of the season signing. But yeah, I think

1220
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna be fine when Learn and a D come back,

1221
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: He's gonna be able to fit his role. UM shout out.

1222
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: Ryan was colleague to the Clippers, scare you they added Rondo,

1223
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: but to unsay're gonna trying to play with the Collegian

1224
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 1: I really liked the Rondo signing for them. I think

1225
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: he really helps them, Like especially when Paul Joe Jin

1226
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: Kauai kind of get midrange happy, He's able to kind

1227
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: of decide where the ball goes. But again, I think

1228
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: there's a regular season rondo, there's a playoff rondo, and

1229
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: then there's a myth that kind of puts both of

1230
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: those together. Um, Like, I think he played well in

1231
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: the I think he played well in the playoffs, I think,

1232
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: but you know, I think that was kind of mythologized

1233
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: even more because of the history, and you know, he

1234
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: had a great Game six. I mean, he watched that

1235
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: and he played really well. But I think those spurts

1236
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: kind of weren't showed. But I think he's gonna help them.

1237
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: What do you think of the additions, I don't know.

1238
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: I don't think they scare. I mean, you're the big

1239
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: Clipper guy that they don't like, but um, I don't

1240
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: think scare is the right word. But you know, have

1241
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: you seen a few of their games lately? Do you

1242
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: think they're They're playing a little bit better and they

1243
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: match up better now with with a surgeon Rondo, but

1244
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: the tune against the Lakers so consistently since the beginning.

1245
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: I said that I thought the Clippers were the greatest

1246
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: threat to the Lakers. I think it. I think it

1247
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: just has to do with matchups. I don't think that

1248
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: I think the Clippers would lose that Nuggets in a

1249
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: playoff series that started tomorrow. I think they would struggle

1250
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,919
Speaker 1: against the Jazz. I think they would. I think it'd

1251
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: be a coin flip type of deal with the Sons,

1252
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: but I think the Nuggets would flat out beat them. Um.

1253
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 1: But that said, of all of those teams I mentioned,

1254
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: I think the Clippers have the best chance. We actually

1255
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: talked about this in the pot the other day, like

1256
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: a D is this a D is this neutralizing effect

1257
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: for for Gobert that that throws the whole series off

1258
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: and they just don't have the wing defenders to guard Lebron.

1259
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: And then you look at the Nuggets, It's like their

1260
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: greatest action that they run is like a Yo Kitchen

1261
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: Murray pick and roll, and it works because they're so

1262
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: different in their size that teams can't switch it. With

1263
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: the Lakers and and uh, Lebron and Navy are just

1264
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: gonna switch that action and shut them down. And they

1265
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: have the problem of having to put Aaron Gordon on

1266
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: either Lebron or a D which leaves Michael Porter Jr.

1267
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:45,439
Speaker 1: To have to guard either Lebron or a D which

1268
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: is just a huge mismatch for them. And we went

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Speaker 1: down that and go any further, but we went down

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Speaker 1: the list with all those other guys. With the Clippers,

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Speaker 1: you can actually kind of draw out how they would

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Speaker 1: guard the Kers, and you can see how they kind

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Speaker 1: of do like a more coherent version of what the

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00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: Nets do where they switch everything, but they have like

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Speaker 1: less weakness on the floor. So I've always believed that

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Speaker 1: they presented threat as far as the Rondo signing goes. Like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I we all had to eat our words

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Speaker 1: a little bit with the Rondo stuff because he was

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00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: so bad for two entire regular seasons. He had good

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Speaker 1: moments in the playoffs, but that kind of took on

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00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: a life of its own and became this huge narrative

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00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: that he had, you know, somehow become like the third

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Speaker 1: member of this big three. And I think that that

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00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: was totally ridiculous because he's still The thing with Rondo

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00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,919
Speaker 1: is that he for every night that he has where

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Speaker 1: he's transcendent offensively, he has another night where he's completely inept,

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00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: and then defensively he is the number one, like the

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00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: most likely candidate to throw your defense off by being

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00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: by making his upwoard decision. He's a textbook like gambler

1290
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: gets himself out of position kind of like kind of

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01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 1: at the same time slacks like he's a fifteen year superstar,

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01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: but he's not a fifteen year superstar, and he quits possessions,

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01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: like he there's a lot of stuff with Rondo that

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01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: that comes at to negative And he went from being

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Speaker 1: an absolute nightmare in the regular season to being a

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01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: serviceable backup guard in the playoffs. But I think I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of his impact was overstated. And and and

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Speaker 1: guess what, he looks fantastic against Chris Paul the other night.

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Speaker 1: He hates Chris Paul. I don't know what the deal is.

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Speaker 1: He absolutely destroyed Chris Paul. That's one night, and every

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Speaker 1: Laker fan out there knows what that experience is, like

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01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: the one night Rondo renaissance. We've all seen it. And

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01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: then and then they'll disappear into the ether for the

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Speaker 1: next week and they may win or lose in the

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Speaker 1: in these games, but like, like Rondo's gonna have some

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Speaker 1: really bad ones mixed in there, you know, like, and

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Speaker 1: it will never be the story, right. And I think

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Speaker 1: the most interesting to me thing about the Clippers of

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Speaker 1: the zoo Bog chrisions Staredge, because I think zoo bo

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01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 1: Is actually is better and he should be starting. But

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what happens when Serge Bobby

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Speaker 1: gets back. He's a guy that Lebron has picked on

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Speaker 1: in playoff series in the past, and has has really

1314
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: struggled against Lebron as a guy that is going to

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Speaker 1: try to defend in space, He's obviously gonna spread out.

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01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: He gives them that three point shooting. But I think

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Speaker 1: that's a fascinating thing that they'll be able to. UM.

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Speaker 1: Kind of they'll have to decide once the playoffs comes around,

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Speaker 1: because he's he's really picked up their defense. But we're

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Speaker 1: we're past an hour here, UM, and I guess that

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Speaker 1: no one, no one wants to speak or try to

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01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: request to speak. UM. There's just one last question here

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Speaker 1: that's kind of funny to me. Shot out. DJ mcindogg says,

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Speaker 1: in the summer of if Lebron goes to Golden State,

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Speaker 1: how many ring does he have now and what team

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Speaker 1: and what team is not at this moment if that happens,

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Speaker 1: so I guess they have Steph Clay Iggy, and then

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01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: I guess Lebron joins that team somehow. I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I don't think the cap spiked yet during that season,

1330
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 1: so but again done some kind of like signing trade

1331
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 1: something like that. I have a really hard time figuring

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Speaker 1: that kind of thing out because I think Lebron is

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01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 1: all about the narrative. And you know, like notice when

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Speaker 1: he went to Cleveland, even though there was a clear

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Speaker 1: basketball x's and those things, he went when they were

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Speaker 1: in a playoff team, so he knew that he'd get

1337
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Speaker 1: credit for their success. Right, Like it became Lebron took

1338
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Speaker 1: this perennial loser Kyrie Irving and turned him into a winner.

1339
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: Lebron took this perennial loser and Kevin Love and turn

1340
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Speaker 1: him into winner. And then there was the coming home

1341
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Speaker 1: part of it. Well, the Lakers is the same thing.

1342
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: It was like Lebron is resurrecting this this this historic

1343
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 1: franchise that has completely gone to ship and they're terrible

1344
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: and and he and now like Lebron is literally regarded

1345
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: as the person who fixed the Lakers, you know, like

1346
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 1: like he's all about the narrative. And if there's one

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01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: thing that Kevin Durant screwed up, you know, because Kevin

1348
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: dur had the team part down. Like Kevin Durrant knows

1349
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 1: how to put himself in a position where he's on

1350
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: a kid gas basketball team that's just almost guaranteed to

1351
01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: win that he's better at that than Lebron on But

1352
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: Kevin Durrett has completely butchered the narrative part of it,

1353
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: like completely butchered it. Like he he has completely put

1354
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: himself in the position where he's experiencing the exact opposite

1355
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 1: effect of those Lebron narratives. It's it's, you know, I

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01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 1: joined this powerhouse team and and they had already won

1357
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Speaker 1: a championship. You know, we're like I went to Brooklyn

1358
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: and it was kind of sloppy, and then all of

1359
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 1: a sudden, James Harden comes on and we're beating the

1360
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Speaker 1: hell out of everybody. I'm not I'm not even playing,

1361
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: you know, Like he just that that narrative part ends

1362
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: up kind of carrying more weight because people just want

1363
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Speaker 1: to know what the story is. It's it's twenty years

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Speaker 1: from now when we're sitting by a water cooler and

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01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 1: we're happy to be talking basketball, Like, how do we

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Speaker 1: tell the story of Katie's career? How do we tell

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Speaker 1: the story of Lebron's career? And and like, regardless of

1368
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 1: results and regardless of all the machinations that go on

1369
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, like there's a narrative part of it

1370
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: that Lebron knocked out of the park. He never would

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Speaker 1: have gone to Golden State in two douzen four team

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Speaker 1: for that reason. You know what I mean. Do we

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Speaker 1: have any other questions that were good? I think we're good.

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Speaker 1: I think I think we went and went draw shout

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Speaker 1: out James san Diego, Thank you for questions, Michael um, Wholos, Rob,

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Speaker 1: DJ mcindog, Mr Sli, Thank you guys all for questions

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Speaker 1: for tonight. Yeah, and thanks for tuning in. Guys. Like

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Speaker 1: I said, don't be don't be gun shy, hit the

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Speaker 1: button and and come join us and talk some hoops

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Speaker 1: next time. Um, and I'm going to immediately after closing

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Speaker 1: this out, I'm gonna go onto my laptop and uh

1382
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Speaker 1: and put this into a podcast and I will release

1383
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: it for you guys to listen to tomorrow when it's entirety.

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Speaker 1: But Roger and I are gonna try to do this

1385
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Speaker 1: every week and um, next week will we have in

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Speaker 1: Jason Maple's come on as well, so that'll be fine,

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Speaker 1: and then Roger and I will be bringing you a

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Speaker 1: full length podcast on Friday morning as well. That's awesome.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys. Thanks everyone, alight, guys, have a good night.

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