WEBVTT - Fried Egg Events, Explained

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<v Speaker 1>I miss a green for example, I'm already upset. When

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<v Speaker 1>I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I find my ball in a frid Egg Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>Egg, the dreaded Friday Friday, Frida Egg Egg, Frida Egg

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<v Speaker 2>bride Egg.

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<v Speaker 3>Lie, I'm about ready to run off of the hump.

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<v Speaker 4>Hello and welcome to the Frida Egg Podcast. My name

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<v Speaker 4>is Garrett Morrison and I'm here today with Andy Johnson.

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<v Speaker 1>How you doing, Andy, Garrett, I'm doing wonderful. I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, by the time everybody will be listening to this

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<v Speaker 3>will be past Christmas, but you know, just the holiday season.

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<v Speaker 3>Ready for a laid back week next week. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>excited to talk about events. That's a big thing for

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty two, it was a big part of our

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty one. And also excited to talk about a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of courses today.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we are devoting this episode to events. If you

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<v Speaker 4>have no interest whatsoever in Frida Egg events, maybe this

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<v Speaker 4>isn't the episode for you.

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<v Speaker 3>But we are talking about lossonia, so we are learning

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<v Speaker 3>course to talk about los Sonia.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we are doing that so that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>may just fast forward.

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<v Speaker 4>There's some extra content. I'll put some timestamps in this description,

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<v Speaker 4>but I think a lot of people would be interested

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<v Speaker 4>in Frida Egg events. I mean they're they're really fun.

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<v Speaker 4>But just telling you that that is the subject of

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<v Speaker 4>our discussion for the next I don't know, twenty minutes

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<v Speaker 4>or so, and then we're going to have some clips

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<v Speaker 4>from past episodes about courses and you and I are

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<v Speaker 4>also going to discuss loss Sonia, which actually we haven't

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<v Speaker 4>done on the podcast before, even though it's a very

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<v Speaker 4>important course to you and to the Friday Egg and.

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<v Speaker 1>The og Frida Egg event course.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, absolutely, the Steam Shovel. But first of all, the

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<v Speaker 4>reason we're doing this episode now is that sign ups

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<v Speaker 4>are opening for the first batch of Friday events on Monday,

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<v Speaker 4>January third. The events that are going to be available

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<v Speaker 4>to sign up for are the King Tide at Charleston

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<v Speaker 4>Muni in Charleston, South Carolina. That's on April second. There's

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<v Speaker 4>sign ups for the Boomerang at Seoul Park in Ohi, California,

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<v Speaker 4>that's going to be on April twenty third, The Steam

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<v Speaker 4>Shovel at Lasonia Links in Wisconsin that is going to

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<v Speaker 4>be May fourteenth, The Coup de Gras at the Dunes

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<v Speaker 4>Club in Michigan. That'll be May twenty sixth.

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<v Speaker 3>We also have an add on for that the day

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<v Speaker 3>before for anybody that's playing in it at lost In

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<v Speaker 3>You know, if you can play Tom Doaks Course the

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<v Speaker 3>day before and then also play Dunes Club the next day.

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<v Speaker 4>This is great, that's news to me. And then we

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<v Speaker 4>will also have a sign up for the Banker at

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<v Speaker 4>Dornick Hills in Ardmore, Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure that one's going on.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that one not going on?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that one's going up. I thought I

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<v Speaker 3>thought you were going to. I think that one's in

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<v Speaker 3>the next batch.

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<v Speaker 1>So but I excited about.

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<v Speaker 4>That that one is going to be coming up at

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<v Speaker 4>some point. We'll we'll figure it. We'll figure it out everybody.

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<v Speaker 4>In any case, there's going to be around of sign

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<v Speaker 4>ups for Frida Egg events. And where can people sign

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<v Speaker 4>up for an event or check out information for an

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<v Speaker 4>event if they're interested in it, Andy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's on our website, which you know, I think is

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<v Speaker 3>something that we're we're looking at overhauling in the next year.

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<v Speaker 1>But you have to go.

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<v Speaker 3>If you go to the fridagg dot com, there's a

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<v Speaker 3>little sidebar that says browse topics, click there, and there's

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<v Speaker 3>an event tab, so it's all under the Frida Egg events.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure if you google the Frida Egg event it

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<v Speaker 3>would just pull up that seems to be like how.

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<v Speaker 1>People do things now, which is easy enough.

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<v Speaker 3>So there you'll see the full calendar that's been announced

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<v Speaker 3>to date. We have a few extras that are going

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<v Speaker 3>to come in. I think we will be in Philadelphia

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<v Speaker 3>in late August, and then you know, we have a

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<v Speaker 3>couple other events that should pop up in the back

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<v Speaker 3>half of the year, so expect to see some more

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<v Speaker 3>events on there. And yeah, it's we're really excited about these.

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<v Speaker 3>We were really thrilled with how they've gone over time.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously COVID was a challenging situation, but you know, we

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<v Speaker 3>last year they went swimmingly and we've had extremely good

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<v Speaker 3>luck with weather, so it's been it's been really fun.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been great to get out and meet people.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, one of the things that when we

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<v Speaker 3>started these back in twenty nineteen, it would have been

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we didn't really know what to expect. It

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<v Speaker 3>had been something I'd been you know, ruminating on and

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<v Speaker 3>you know for a couple of years and had been

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<v Speaker 3>a part of Zach Blair's events that he was the

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<v Speaker 3>ringer that he had done. And you know, I think

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<v Speaker 3>from our standpoint, we really love our community of people

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<v Speaker 3>and you the listeners, readers, and this this is a

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<v Speaker 3>what we kind of view this as as an excellent

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<v Speaker 3>opportunity for people with that share real common interest in

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<v Speaker 3>in our complete golf nuts like golf tragics, love seeing

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<v Speaker 3>new and different and interesting golf courses a way for

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<v Speaker 3>them to get together, you know, full disclosure, we could

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<v Speaker 3>be doing things that would be better for our bottom

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<v Speaker 3>line than these. They take a lot of time and energy,

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<v Speaker 3>and what we want to do is provide them at

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<v Speaker 3>the lowest possible costs we can so that they are

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<v Speaker 3>achievable and accessible for all types of golfers. So you

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<v Speaker 3>can look at it and say, hey, I can go

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<v Speaker 3>see a really neat course that I wouldn't be able

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<v Speaker 3>to otherwise with the frieda Egg or you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And then also on the public side, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, uh, in the first three events of the year

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<v Speaker 3>at public courses, we we want to celebrate and really

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<v Speaker 3>give these public courses that provide unbelievable architecture at you know,

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<v Speaker 3>affordable rates a lot of publicity and host these events

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, host them. In the case of Lastonia,

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<v Speaker 3>we're gonna have that one every year and and likely

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<v Speaker 3>we'll have the sole park event every year. And we're

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<v Speaker 3>really excited about the Charleston event. I mean early April,

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<v Speaker 3>and Charleston's about the best time of year to be there,

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<v Speaker 3>and and you know, these these facilities that have that

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<v Speaker 3>do such a are such wonderful stewards of both architecture

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<v Speaker 3>and affordable golf. We want to celebrate those with with

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<v Speaker 3>our events out there. So that's kind of like why

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<v Speaker 3>we started doing Frida Egg events, and you know, it's

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<v Speaker 3>something that we will continue to do. I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>our aim is to be around twelve events. Obviously, we

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<v Speaker 3>have a lot of other editorial things between the Shotguns

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<v Speaker 3>start three times a week, the Friday podcast, written articles

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<v Speaker 3>in major championship weeks, with daily newsletters and such like

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<v Speaker 3>that that we you know, it's going to prohibit us

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<v Speaker 3>from ever doing fifty events or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>We are not an events company. Yeah really this is

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<v Speaker 4>this is one of the things we do.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know what we what we want to do,

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<v Speaker 3>and one of the neatest things that I've seen and

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<v Speaker 3>experience with the events is you see these like complete

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<v Speaker 3>strangers and you know, they meet at the beginning of

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<v Speaker 3>the day and you come back in from eighteen holes

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<v Speaker 3>and it's lunch and you see these people. You walk

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<v Speaker 3>in the room and it's like everybody's best been best

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<v Speaker 3>friends for years. And that's I think kind of the

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<v Speaker 3>when we did the first steam shovel, I walked away

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<v Speaker 3>like I saw people, you know, exchanging numbers, and all

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<v Speaker 3>of a sudden, these new friends were made new golf friends.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, these are people that I've seen some

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<v Speaker 3>that play together in events the next year. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>been one of the most rewarding things that these events

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<v Speaker 3>have really brought out, is that you know, people are

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<v Speaker 3>becoming good golf buddies from the events, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's cool. You can come obviously with friends, but you

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<v Speaker 3>can also come solo.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 3>You're going to get paired up with somebody that loves golf,

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<v Speaker 3>probably as much, if not more than you.

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<v Speaker 4>All Right, so you've given a good sense of why

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<v Speaker 4>we hold the events, how they started all that kind

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<v Speaker 4>of stuff, just to give people an idea of where

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<v Speaker 4>we're going with this episode one, we wanted to let

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<v Speaker 4>you know about some of the events that we're holding

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<v Speaker 4>and the courses that we're holding them at. And so

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<v Speaker 4>later in the episode we'll talk about law Sonia and

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<v Speaker 4>we'll play some clips from episodes that we've done on

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<v Speaker 4>Charleston Muni, on Soul Park, maybe on Dorni Hills, and

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<v Speaker 4>so that's where we're ultimately going with the episode. But

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<v Speaker 4>first we wanted to talk about frequently ask questions about

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<v Speaker 4>the events, because we get a lot of the same

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<v Speaker 4>questions over and over again, understandable questions about Frida Egg events,

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<v Speaker 4>and so one fundamental question is what's the basic format

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<v Speaker 4>of a Friday event? What does the day look like?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely so all of our events to date are thirty

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<v Speaker 3>six holes. The idea behind that is that we I

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<v Speaker 3>always like playing a course and then I like seeing

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<v Speaker 3>it again because you play it and you sometimes figure

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<v Speaker 3>something out and you say, God, I wish I'd got

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<v Speaker 3>a chance to play it again. But thirty six holes

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<v Speaker 3>of your own ball is pretty taxing. So what we

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<v Speaker 3>do is it's it's like a Mirfield day, So it

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<v Speaker 3>is eighteen holes of best ball with your partner. In

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<v Speaker 3>the morning, we have a gross and a handicapped division.

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<v Speaker 3>You're automatically entered into both. So it starts at around

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<v Speaker 3>eight o'clock, depending on daylight, maintenance crews, how you know

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<v Speaker 3>what time we want to get going, But it starts

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<v Speaker 3>around eight o'clock eighteen holes the best ball. In the morning,

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<v Speaker 3>we have breakfast set up, you know, just grab and

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<v Speaker 3>go breakfast sandwiches and you get your t gift then

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<v Speaker 3>and then we come back in after eighteen holes the

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<v Speaker 3>best ball with a it's a shotgun start, and everybody

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<v Speaker 3>has lunch, and then we go back out in the

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<v Speaker 3>afternoon for eighteen holes of alternate shot.

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<v Speaker 1>This is really fun.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the things that we do that I think

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<v Speaker 3>is unique is that everybody plays in eight sums and

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<v Speaker 3>ten sums, so there's four or five balls, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>just a great way to meet a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think alternate shot is a daunting format if

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<v Speaker 3>you've never played it, but the more you play it,

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<v Speaker 3>you realize it is probably the most fun and the

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<v Speaker 3>most team format of golf.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it really makes you work with your partner.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think, like I always say this before events,

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<v Speaker 3>like the best thing that you know, the best moment

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<v Speaker 3>in your alternate shot life is when you start to realize,

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<v Speaker 3>like I should I like you. Your mentality shifts away

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<v Speaker 3>from being sorry for your partner and it shifts to like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>thank god, I just don't have to hit that next one,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like you just like.

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<v Speaker 4>Saying to your partner at the beginning of it, let's

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<v Speaker 4>not apologize to each other, yeah, about the positions that

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<v Speaker 4>we're going to put each other in, because it's going

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<v Speaker 4>to come back around at some point. This is just golf.

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<v Speaker 4>It's what happens. Don't feel sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>I think like that's like one of the funny things

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<v Speaker 3>is like people always apologize for golf shots, Like like

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<v Speaker 3>why are you apologizing if you try? Like the only

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<v Speaker 3>time that anybody could ever be mad if you like

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<v Speaker 3>just got up and just don't try. But everybody always

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<v Speaker 3>is trying, so so anyways, then it's that after the

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<v Speaker 3>alternate shot, we have or dervs, you know, typically we

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<v Speaker 3>buy a round or two of drinks for the group

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<v Speaker 3>and then everything else is kind of on your own,

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<v Speaker 3>and then we have a shootout and who gets into

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<v Speaker 3>the shootout are net winners of the alternate shot and

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<v Speaker 3>the and the best ball, and then low gross winners

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<v Speaker 3>of the alternate shot and the best ball, and then

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<v Speaker 3>some wildcard teams which are basically the you know, total

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<v Speaker 3>based off of totals, so low gross, low net totals

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<v Speaker 3>the next three group, and it's usually about eight to

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<v Speaker 3>ten teams, and we go out and do a four

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<v Speaker 3>hole shootout. Typically, depending on light, it might be a

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a single elimination, so it's kind of a

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<v Speaker 3>flexible thing based off of a you know, the light

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<v Speaker 3>and the constraints of the day. So the shootout's really fun. Usually,

0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, most people stick around and come out and watch,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's an alternate shot format.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the winners get you know, we do prizes.

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<v Speaker 3>Typically, we've done golf Bay and custom betan Ardi putters,

0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:06.280
<v Speaker 3>which are kind of one of two putters. They're really

0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.520
<v Speaker 3>deap they have the event logos on them, and we

0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:14.320
<v Speaker 3>have heavier derves and and people stick around so for

0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:18.000
<v Speaker 3>a little while. Monday's Monday events that at Private club's

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit shorter of a hang than the Saturday events.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but there's usually a really fun little scene afterwards

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<v Speaker 4>where people get to talk and circulate and make some

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<v Speaker 4>new friends. And that's always been my favorite part of

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<v Speaker 4>the day, you know, after the golf is done and

0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:36.360
<v Speaker 4>people are just relaxing and having a few drinks. So

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<v Speaker 4>all right, so when somebody goes to a Friday event,

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<v Speaker 4>they get the golf, they get thirty six holes of golf,

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<v Speaker 4>they get this shootout.

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<v Speaker 3>They get a tea gift, they get a t gift,

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<v Speaker 3>and that ranges from you know, be dready polos to pullovers.

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<v Speaker 1>Some events we do, you know ZR stuff. It's something

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<v Speaker 1>different every time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's all events specific. But you know, we

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<v Speaker 3>name all the events. I think that's one thing that

0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:05.000
<v Speaker 3>you know in all the names are based off of

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<v Speaker 3>like something that either happened to the course, something like local.

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<v Speaker 3>So for example, like the King Tide was a you know,

0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:16.560
<v Speaker 3>king tides used to wreck Charleston Beauni. It would cause

0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:19.600
<v Speaker 3>the place to flood, and it's a it's a you know,

0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:23.600
<v Speaker 3>aspect of the low country, and every time there was

0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:26.720
<v Speaker 3>a King tide, the course would flood. So we're you know,

0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.640
<v Speaker 3>that doesn't happen anymore, so that we're calling the event

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<v Speaker 3>the King Tide. The steam shovel, for example at at

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<v Speaker 3>at Lassnia, is based on the tool the equipment that

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<v Speaker 3>was used to build the course in nineteen thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>This this course is just you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, out of this world bold, huge hazards and green

0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:52.040
<v Speaker 3>complexes that were built with this steam shovel. That is

0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.200
<v Speaker 3>pretty remarkable given the year that it was built. And

0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:58.880
<v Speaker 3>for the boomerang, for example, that's the there's a boomerang

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<v Speaker 3>green at at.

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<v Speaker 1>Soul Park.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the banker is called the banker because Perry Maxwell,

0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:09.560
<v Speaker 3>when he built that golf course, was a banker in Ardmore, Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 4>Obvious enough. Yeah, all right, so you addressed this briefly earlier,

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<v Speaker 4>but I want to reinforce it because it is a

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<v Speaker 4>really common question that we get. Can I come as

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<v Speaker 4>a single? And also sometimes what's behind that question is

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<v Speaker 4>would it be weird if I come as a single?

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<v Speaker 4>Will I feel out of place? And will it just

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<v Speaker 4>be kind of an odd day socially if I come

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<v Speaker 4>as a single? And I think the obvious answer to

0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:37.520
<v Speaker 4>that question having been to these events is no. But

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<v Speaker 4>maybe you can talk about that a little bit. What's

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<v Speaker 4>it like to come as a solo person to these events?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I think this is I highly encourage it. I think

0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:50.359
<v Speaker 3>this is a great way to do it. I obviously

0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:53.400
<v Speaker 3>you know, playing with your friends is great too, but

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<v Speaker 3>I always think that the singles get the most out

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<v Speaker 3>of it because they meet the most people, right, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and and you know, you meet all these people that

0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:05.360
<v Speaker 3>you might not know that lived in your golf city

0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:10.880
<v Speaker 3>or near abouts, that that share this common interest. So

0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:14.920
<v Speaker 3>I highly encourage singles. Also, a big question that I

0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:18.320
<v Speaker 3>get is about skill level, Like I'm a fifteen, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>a twenty two. Is that going to ruin the day?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely not, Like this is like we're very you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I think the competition's been described the best as like

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<v Speaker 3>you know, everybody cares just about just enough and nobody

0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:36.360
<v Speaker 3>cares too much. And that's like the balance we go

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<v Speaker 3>for and I think we've achieved is where you have

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<v Speaker 3>these people where you know, people are trying, they're trying

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<v Speaker 3>their hardest, but nobody's like throwing clubs over shots.

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<v Speaker 4>You shouldn't be really grinding. Yeah, yeah, exactly, it's not

0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:55.840
<v Speaker 4>that serious. I mean, yeah, people, as you say, people

0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:57.800
<v Speaker 4>try their best. You're trying to hit good golf shots,

0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:00.480
<v Speaker 4>but you're not beating yourself up if you're not well.

0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:04.840
<v Speaker 4>I mean, listen, like in our company, Andy is a

0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.280
<v Speaker 4>really good player, Will is a really good player. These

0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:11.320
<v Speaker 4>are low handicap scratch or better players. I am more

0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:14.760
<v Speaker 4>like a ten handicap. I've gone to several of these events.

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<v Speaker 4>I've never felt like I'm uncomfortable with being there. I've

0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.040
<v Speaker 4>played with people who are more like twenty to twenty

0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:25.679
<v Speaker 4>five handicaps at these events. Again, we use a handicap system,

0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:27.760
<v Speaker 4>so it kind of evens out. This is the magic

0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:30.920
<v Speaker 4>of golf and its handicap system that you can play

0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:34.240
<v Speaker 4>on an even playing field with people of different skill levels.

0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:37.840
<v Speaker 4>But in terms of just the competitive atmosphere, if you're

0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:44.240
<v Speaker 4>not a competitive golfer, this is not an uncomfortable environment. Yes, absolutely, Okay,

0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:47.399
<v Speaker 4>I think that's pretty much all of the questions that

0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:51.760
<v Speaker 4>we wanted to address. I mean, are there any other faqsh?

0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:52.800
<v Speaker 1>That's it?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, at some of these, you know, depending on

0:17:56.000 --> 0:18:00.240
<v Speaker 3>our time constrictions and what's going on beforehand, a lot

0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.159
<v Speaker 3>of them will do, you know, get together the night before,

0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:07.680
<v Speaker 3>and some of these will, well, this year we'll have

0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:11.520
<v Speaker 3>some golf before or after and we'll kind of do

0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:14.359
<v Speaker 3>that as a depending on how many spots we have

0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:17.760
<v Speaker 3>at different places in the area, it will be kind

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<v Speaker 3>of a lottery system based off of people that are

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<v Speaker 3>attending the event.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and one thing that we haven't really mentioned specifically

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<v Speaker 4>so far is the criteria that we use to choose courses.

0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:30.480
<v Speaker 1>That's good call.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So why do we choose the courses that we

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<v Speaker 4>choose for these events?

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<v Speaker 3>These are places that I go see. They are not

0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:40.960
<v Speaker 3>based off of a list. They are not based off

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<v Speaker 3>of where we think we'll get the most people to

0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:48.280
<v Speaker 3>sign up. These are places that we go to that

0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:52.600
<v Speaker 3>I find to be extraordinarily fun golf courses to play.

0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:55.560
<v Speaker 3>They are the courses you know that aren't the high

0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:58.879
<v Speaker 3>They don't have to be. Some are very high in rankings,

0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:02.080
<v Speaker 3>but there are places that we feel like our very

0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:05.800
<v Speaker 3>unique golf courses that expose you to some sort of

0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:10.800
<v Speaker 3>architecture that you need to see and provide a different

0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:14.359
<v Speaker 3>experience than your status quo golf club. So, you know,

0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:17.320
<v Speaker 3>if you look down our list of courses, you know,

0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:22.439
<v Speaker 3>Charleston Muni gives you a great example of template hole golf.

0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:26.840
<v Speaker 3>You know, for people that haven't played a Rainer or McDonald,

0:19:26.880 --> 0:19:28.719
<v Speaker 3>this is a golf course you can go and see

0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:31.560
<v Speaker 3>how some of these templates work. You know, the boomerang

0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:35.080
<v Speaker 3>at Soul Park is a great you know, Gilhans golf

0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:38.120
<v Speaker 3>course that's in a idealic setting. It's just a wonderful

0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:40.240
<v Speaker 3>place that you want to spend time at. Like I

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<v Speaker 3>just can't think of many courses that I just when

0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:45.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm out there in the afternoon, I just I just

0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:48.200
<v Speaker 3>look in basket and like you're sitting in this little

0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:52.160
<v Speaker 3>mountain canyon playing just this this beauty in this beautiful

0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:54.879
<v Speaker 3>setting on a really fun golf course. You know the

0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:58.639
<v Speaker 3>steam shovel, that's that architecture you have to see to believe,

0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:02.159
<v Speaker 3>Like you know, photos don't do justice. Like until you

0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:05.080
<v Speaker 3>see that first grain and the cliff off the left

0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:07.600
<v Speaker 3>of it that's like twenty five feet that was man made,

0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:11.000
<v Speaker 3>You're just like, wow, unbelievable. Obviously, the Dunes Club that's

0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:14.480
<v Speaker 3>where the Kaiser, you know, the whole idea of Bandon

0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:17.080
<v Speaker 3>Dune started. And with the law students add on, you

0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:21.720
<v Speaker 3>have a Tom Doak design that's that's really neat Dordic Hills,

0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:26.080
<v Speaker 3>where Perry Maxwell's career started. A really important golf course

0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:29.199
<v Speaker 3>in golf course history and like golf course architecture history,

0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:32.520
<v Speaker 3>and a very very good and very unique piece of

0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:36.040
<v Speaker 3>ground like something that you wouldn't expect in.

0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:39.440
<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma, freshly restored fresh yeah.

0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:42.280
<v Speaker 3>And and freshly restored like one of the biggest I

0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:45.919
<v Speaker 3>think like one of the most important restorations you know

0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:49.440
<v Speaker 3>that has happened in recent years is that golf course

0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:52.600
<v Speaker 3>getting it back from you know where it was a

0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:57.280
<v Speaker 3>far far cry from what its original design was. Obviously Yale.

0:20:57.400 --> 0:21:00.840
<v Speaker 3>We have those two days set out. I don't think

0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:02.679
<v Speaker 3>we need to talk that much about it. This is

0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:06.800
<v Speaker 3>a seth rain or Cebe McDonald design was one of

0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:09.879
<v Speaker 3>the great golf courses, is one of the great golf

0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:12.399
<v Speaker 3>courses of the world, and it's a great chance to

0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:16.720
<v Speaker 3>see it before the restoration goes. It happens, and then

0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:19.000
<v Speaker 3>you'll have a frame of reference of where it was

0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:22.240
<v Speaker 3>and what it became with the gil Hans working there.

0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:26.680
<v Speaker 3>Meadow Brook, that is one of the most fun golf course.

0:21:26.840 --> 0:21:29.040
<v Speaker 3>This is a repeat from last year. We're going back

0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:32.480
<v Speaker 3>there just because the golf course is so fun. Andy

0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:37.760
<v Speaker 3>Staples renovated this what was a Willie Park and had

0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:40.600
<v Speaker 3>a lot of like a long history of design changes,

0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:45.040
<v Speaker 3>but renovated it in Willie Park's kind of style. And

0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:48.320
<v Speaker 3>this golf course, I mean there's so many fun shots

0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:52.560
<v Speaker 3>out there, so many bowls and neat greens, and that

0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:55.160
<v Speaker 3>is that's one of the most fun places.

0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:56.919
<v Speaker 1>To play golf in America.

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<v Speaker 4>Totally delightful. Yeah. I mean, as you're saying, even if

0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:03.359
<v Speaker 4>you haven't heard of a course that we're holding an

0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:06.120
<v Speaker 4>event at, check it out a little bit, look into

0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:09.280
<v Speaker 4>its architectural history and you'll find something special about it.

0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:11.399
<v Speaker 4>We're not just holding these events at places where we

0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:13.600
<v Speaker 4>think we're gonna make a lot of money. We're not

0:22:13.640 --> 0:22:17.040
<v Speaker 4>just going for name recognition. These are special places with

0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:21.479
<v Speaker 4>designs that are worthy of attention and worthy of some study.

0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:25.439
<v Speaker 3>And like the final two that we have on the

0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:30.359
<v Speaker 3>calendar right now, Essex County Club is the first of

0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:32.840
<v Speaker 3>the sixth member of the USGA, the first outside of

0:22:32.840 --> 0:22:37.119
<v Speaker 3>the five founding members. Huge tons of history. Also a

0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:41.679
<v Speaker 3>place that Donald Ross lived. Really incredible golf course.

0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:44.399
<v Speaker 4>This is one of those courses that Ross really worked

0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:46.800
<v Speaker 4>on a lot. You know, Pinehurst Number two gets a

0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:49.800
<v Speaker 4>lot of attention for how much Ross was there and

0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:52.639
<v Speaker 4>made changes and made that course kind of his baby.

0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:55.119
<v Speaker 4>Essex County is the other course that's like that.

0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:58.280
<v Speaker 3>And I think like the most well known ross courses

0:22:58.320 --> 0:23:02.879
<v Speaker 3>are the championship courses in seminole right. This is I

0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:06.600
<v Speaker 3>would say probably the most fun Donald Ross course that

0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:07.280
<v Speaker 3>I've played.

0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Wow, the and that Prairie Dunes.

0:23:10.760 --> 0:23:13.240
<v Speaker 3>Which I think you know is a place that I've

0:23:13.240 --> 0:23:16.439
<v Speaker 3>gone back to every single year that I've been running

0:23:16.480 --> 0:23:19.280
<v Speaker 3>this business since I went to it, which was I

0:23:19.320 --> 0:23:21.600
<v Speaker 3>think the first year I was there was twenty seventeen

0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:22.439
<v Speaker 3>or twenty eighteen.

0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:26.480
<v Speaker 4>Okay, why don't we talk about Lassnia now?

0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:29.520
<v Speaker 3>Well, one other thing we you know, we do have

0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:32.520
<v Speaker 3>another event that's gonna come up. It will be announced,

0:23:32.600 --> 0:23:35.160
<v Speaker 3>may be announced by the time this podcast comes out

0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:38.920
<v Speaker 3>shortly after. We are doing a collaborative event with no

0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:43.600
<v Speaker 3>laying up and that will be in at a golf

0:23:43.640 --> 0:23:47.439
<v Speaker 3>course that was recently on their Tourist Sauce, which is

0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:52.320
<v Speaker 3>their YouTube travel series in Michigan. So that it will

0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:55.560
<v Speaker 3>be a Saturday event and I'm really excited about that.

0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:57.320
<v Speaker 3>That should be a really fun one also and that

0:23:57.560 --> 0:23:59.800
<v Speaker 3>that will be in early June.

0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:03.040
<v Speaker 4>And speaking of collaborations, we I don't think we mentioned

0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:07.720
<v Speaker 4>the Ladies teaming up with for the Ladies at Charleston, Muni.

0:24:08.400 --> 0:24:11.800
<v Speaker 4>This was a recent development that we decided to partner

0:24:11.840 --> 0:24:15.200
<v Speaker 4>with for the ladies. Abby Libenthal's organization that's doing great

0:24:15.240 --> 0:24:17.639
<v Speaker 4>work getting women involved in golf.

0:24:17.880 --> 0:24:21.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it's it's a they have a great organization

0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:26.959
<v Speaker 3>and I think we were we really respect and you know,

0:24:27.320 --> 0:24:30.359
<v Speaker 3>just I think what they do and with with getting

0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:33.359
<v Speaker 3>women into golf, and also I think they have also

0:24:33.440 --> 0:24:35.600
<v Speaker 3>have a you know, a lot of women that are

0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:38.920
<v Speaker 3>super into golf, that play and uh, and we're excited

0:24:38.960 --> 0:24:40.000
<v Speaker 3>to partner up with them.

0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:44.360
<v Speaker 4>There, all right, las Sonia. Maybe we should start by

0:24:44.359 --> 0:24:48.240
<v Speaker 4>talking about Langford and Moreau, the designers, the original designers

0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:52.280
<v Speaker 4>of Lasnia Links. Not everybody knows about Langford and Moreau.

0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:56.880
<v Speaker 4>Certainly they've become more visible among Golden Age architects over

0:24:56.920 --> 0:24:59.720
<v Speaker 4>the past few years because of the work that you've

0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:01.720
<v Speaker 4>done in large part, I think.

0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:04.000
<v Speaker 1>A lot of other people too, of course.

0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:08.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but you've been researching Langford and Morew and thinking

0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:11.520
<v Speaker 4>about Langford and Morew for a few years now. Give

0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:14.960
<v Speaker 4>people the rundown of who these architects are and what

0:25:15.040 --> 0:25:15.879
<v Speaker 4>their style was.

0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:18.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they worked mostly in the Midwest.

0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:22.600
<v Speaker 3>They kind of came to the height of their powers

0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:25.159
<v Speaker 3>and you'd really wonder what would have happened if the

0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:28.480
<v Speaker 3>Great Depression didn't happen, because when they were hitting their

0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:32.200
<v Speaker 3>stride was really the late Golden Age, and they're an

0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:35.280
<v Speaker 3>evolution of like, you know, the gold This is one

0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:37.439
<v Speaker 3>of the things that was the saddest thing with you know,

0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:39.640
<v Speaker 3>what happened to golf architecture is you had the Great

0:25:39.680 --> 0:25:42.600
<v Speaker 3>Depression in the World War Two, which kind of halted

0:25:43.000 --> 0:25:47.479
<v Speaker 3>the evolution of architecture in America and for golf and

0:25:47.640 --> 0:25:53.280
<v Speaker 3>probably building architecture as well. But these architects are I

0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:56.920
<v Speaker 3>think if you put them on a tree, they kind

0:25:56.920 --> 0:26:00.760
<v Speaker 3>of evolved from Rainer and McDonald's. You know. If I've

0:26:00.800 --> 0:26:04.280
<v Speaker 3>seen some Langford stuff before he worked with Moreau and

0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:09.040
<v Speaker 3>it's pretty subdued, and then the pair when they got together,

0:26:09.520 --> 0:26:12.600
<v Speaker 3>I think, I I you know, and I'm not a historian,

0:26:12.760 --> 0:26:16.199
<v Speaker 3>so I'm not always the best with little details. But

0:26:16.720 --> 0:26:20.880
<v Speaker 3>Moreau was the guy that built the really wild stuff,

0:26:21.160 --> 0:26:26.240
<v Speaker 3>and lows Sonia is I would say probably the best kept.

0:26:27.160 --> 0:26:31.280
<v Speaker 3>That and Culver are the two best kept length for

0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:33.520
<v Speaker 3>Moreaus in terms of like if you want to go

0:26:33.600 --> 0:26:37.480
<v Speaker 3>see what their architecture was about, that's where you go see.

0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:41.359
<v Speaker 3>So you're gonna see really big, bold features they they

0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:44.320
<v Speaker 3>worked on a lot of great land. Lawsonia is a

0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:47.719
<v Speaker 3>terrific piece of ground. But what they did was they built,

0:26:48.560 --> 0:26:51.359
<v Speaker 3>which is different than say a Perry Maxwell. And they

0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:53.879
<v Speaker 3>might have had beef. I kind of think that Perry

0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:55.080
<v Speaker 3>Maxwell and Length for Moreau.

0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:57.879
<v Speaker 4>Perry Maxwell might have sub tweeted them a couple of times.

0:26:58.040 --> 0:26:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh totally did.

0:26:59.040 --> 0:27:03.240
<v Speaker 3>It's actually on is like the statue that leads up

0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:06.879
<v Speaker 3>to his gravesite at Dornic Hills is like the quote

0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:11.920
<v Speaker 3>that he's subtweeting Lank for Moreau. And this is not

0:27:12.280 --> 0:27:17.040
<v Speaker 3>this is not your Alistair Mackenzie Maxwell, like find it

0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:20.520
<v Speaker 3>in the ground. This was Golden Age maximalism. And I

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:24.199
<v Speaker 3>think Golden Age maximalism is kind of what the architecture

0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:27.800
<v Speaker 3>we have today, where they let the natural land provide

0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:31.800
<v Speaker 3>most of the theatrics, but then they built features at

0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:35.600
<v Speaker 3>the green and at bunkers, and these are big, big features,

0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:38.520
<v Speaker 3>like these are features that like you just are like wow,

0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:42.360
<v Speaker 3>I can't believe they built that in nineteen thirty. For example,

0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:45.760
<v Speaker 3>the seventh hole is this famous part three at Lawsonia.

0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:48.679
<v Speaker 3>It's called the box car hole. It is a you know,

0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:51.359
<v Speaker 3>hit it or else type par three it's about a

0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:55.000
<v Speaker 3>one hundred and sixty yard shot and the green is

0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:59.200
<v Speaker 3>built allegedly on top of a box car that you

0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:02.480
<v Speaker 3>would see like a freight train car. And it's just

0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:06.880
<v Speaker 3>like a vertical wall in front of the green that's

0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:09.520
<v Speaker 3>about twenty feet up, you know, just to give you

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:11.840
<v Speaker 3>an idea, and it's kind of banked into this slope.

0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:18.119
<v Speaker 3>So it's just lows Sonia is an amazing place. It

0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:21.880
<v Speaker 3>is a It's an important place for me. It's one

0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:24.119
<v Speaker 3>of the you know, if you said in the Midwest,

0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:27.640
<v Speaker 3>like best value in terms of what you get architecturally

0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:32.520
<v Speaker 3>and for the cost, lows Sonia is at the top

0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:36.080
<v Speaker 3>of any place in probably the entire country. I think

0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 3>it is a you could make a very good argument

0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:42.320
<v Speaker 3>that it's the best golf course in all of Wisconsin.

0:28:42.920 --> 0:28:46.840
<v Speaker 3>And before somebody says, oh, well, what about Milwaukee Country Club,

0:28:47.640 --> 0:28:51.160
<v Speaker 3>Sand Valley or Whistling Straits, Like I think that, you know,

0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:53.240
<v Speaker 3>it's very clearly on the same tier.

0:28:53.640 --> 0:28:56.240
<v Speaker 1>I would put it above Whistling Streets.

0:28:56.280 --> 0:28:59.520
<v Speaker 3>It's not on the ocean, but in terms of just golf,

0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 3>it is spectacular in a place that you need to see.

0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:06.600
<v Speaker 3>So Lasnia, you know, one of the things. That's a

0:29:06.640 --> 0:29:08.800
<v Speaker 3>shame with lang for Moreau is a lot of their

0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:12.720
<v Speaker 3>designs haven't been well kept. You know, a lot of

0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:15.040
<v Speaker 3>them were destroyed. A lot of them, you know, they're

0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:17.240
<v Speaker 3>really they aren't the easiest to maintain.

0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:19.880
<v Speaker 4>So in the there's a lot of local courses that

0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:23.440
<v Speaker 4>Langford Moureau did too, right. They were you know, there's

0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:26.400
<v Speaker 4>a lot of similarities with what Perry Maxwell did in

0:29:26.440 --> 0:29:30.400
<v Speaker 4>his region. Langford and Moreau did some similar stuff in

0:29:30.440 --> 0:29:33.480
<v Speaker 4>the Midwest where they were kind of going around in

0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:37.280
<v Speaker 4>the thirties in the depression building these small courses for towns,

0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:41.200
<v Speaker 4>and a lot of those maybe haven't been super well maintained.

0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:43.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, But like one of the cool things is like

0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:46.160
<v Speaker 3>you can go see some of these courses that and

0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:49.200
<v Speaker 3>they're just like sitting there. They haven't been messed with

0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:52.880
<v Speaker 3>because they're a small town in Indiana or a small

0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:57.120
<v Speaker 3>town in Wisconsin, and the you know, the golf course

0:29:57.400 --> 0:29:59.640
<v Speaker 3>has never had money to mess it up, so you

0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:02.280
<v Speaker 3>know they' there's small greens and you know, the bunkers

0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:05.280
<v Speaker 3>aren't you know, filled in. But like you can go

0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:07.720
<v Speaker 3>see these places. We talked about Kanka Key Elks on

0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:11.280
<v Speaker 3>the Restoration podcast, like I think, like the thing anybody

0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:14.920
<v Speaker 3>that goes and sees Los Sonia, you you realize, God,

0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:19.320
<v Speaker 3>these guys were extraordinarily great, you know, at at what

0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:21.760
<v Speaker 3>they did. And you know, I think the thing that

0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:25.520
<v Speaker 3>I take away is like you play, you see Las Sonia,

0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:28.280
<v Speaker 3>which you know, I think we need to say is

0:30:28.320 --> 0:30:31.240
<v Speaker 3>like it's one of the best cup but it's still

0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:34.600
<v Speaker 3>got probably about thirty percent of the way to go

0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:37.480
<v Speaker 3>to where it would be fully maxed out in terms

0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:40.959
<v Speaker 3>of what it is. That's how how good it is

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:45.080
<v Speaker 3>for you know, being kind of not fully restored, but

0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:47.320
<v Speaker 3>it's a you play it for less than one hundred

0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:51.040
<v Speaker 3>bucks and it's uh really busy, so it's hard to

0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:54.160
<v Speaker 3>do restoration work in Craig Haultam and his team has

0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:57.120
<v Speaker 3>been doing some small stuff every year and it keeps

0:30:57.120 --> 0:31:00.440
<v Speaker 3>getting better. So you know, that's that's that's the thing.

0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:02.840
<v Speaker 3>Like you can there's a length from a road trail

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 3>and what I've I've got all the footage.

0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:07.360
<v Speaker 1>We've wanted to do a video about it.

0:31:07.760 --> 0:31:09.640
<v Speaker 4>We've been talking about this for three years.

0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:14.720
<v Speaker 3>And so you know, you could play five or six

0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:17.800
<v Speaker 3>length from a rose from Indiana up through Illinois up

0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:21.520
<v Speaker 3>through Wisconsin. You know, for about two hundred and twenty

0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:23.320
<v Speaker 3>five bucks. Now, like law Sonia is gonna be the

0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:27.080
<v Speaker 3>crown jewel of that. So laws Sonia, you know, one

0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:30.240
<v Speaker 3>of the things. The ground's really great. The back nine

0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:34.120
<v Speaker 3>is what kind of makes everybody's jaw drop. You turn

0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:36.400
<v Speaker 3>the corner on the tenth hole. The tenth hole is

0:31:36.400 --> 0:31:39.280
<v Speaker 3>this long part three and you when you turn the corner,

0:31:39.600 --> 0:31:42.800
<v Speaker 3>you just it opens up to this kind of like

0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:46.640
<v Speaker 3>golf land. It's just a wide open scape. It's got

0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:50.160
<v Speaker 3>a big roll through it, but there's just golf holes everywhere.

0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:54.280
<v Speaker 3>It's one of the neatest kind of low key reveals

0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:57.120
<v Speaker 3>that doesn't include an ocean in the world of golf.

0:31:57.520 --> 0:32:00.320
<v Speaker 3>The back nine spectacular, but as good as it is,

0:32:00.400 --> 0:32:04.200
<v Speaker 3>the front nine might be better. It kind of weaves around

0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:08.560
<v Speaker 3>a different side of the property and it has just

0:32:08.600 --> 0:32:12.440
<v Speaker 3>incredible holes too. So I it is a in terms

0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:14.560
<v Speaker 3>of public golf. I think it's it's one of the

0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:19.000
<v Speaker 3>ten to fifteen best public golf courses in America.

0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:21.200
<v Speaker 4>So the word that everybody uses when they go to

0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:26.680
<v Speaker 4>Las Sonia is bold boldness. It's become kind of a catchphrase.

0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:30.160
<v Speaker 4>And so I wonder if there's anything else that you

0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:33.320
<v Speaker 4>could say about loss Sonia that you think makes it

0:32:33.360 --> 0:32:36.600
<v Speaker 4>special beyond just the boldness of the shaping. You know,

0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:39.360
<v Speaker 4>that's something that anybody would notice. So what else about

0:32:39.360 --> 0:32:40.120
<v Speaker 4>the course is great?

0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:42.880
<v Speaker 3>I think the thing when you really look at lang

0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:47.160
<v Speaker 3>from a Rose, greens like they're the bold, the big like.

0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:49.960
<v Speaker 3>So when people are saying bold, it's the big features.

0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:52.160
<v Speaker 3>So you just see these greens that are pushed up.

0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:56.000
<v Speaker 4>It's like the external shaping on the greens offense. Yeah, like.

0:32:57.560 --> 0:33:00.000
<v Speaker 1>These bunkers, Yeah, they're huge.

0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:03.080
<v Speaker 3>But what makes Lang from a roaw greens are the

0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:07.720
<v Speaker 3>internal contours, the elegance of these beautiful greens that they

0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:11.680
<v Speaker 3>build that have these little waves and different slopes inside.

0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:14.440
<v Speaker 3>One of the things we do that I didn't mention

0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:17.960
<v Speaker 3>at the start is we cut different cups for morning

0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:21.440
<v Speaker 3>and afternoon. And it's really fun at Lawsonia to set cups,

0:33:21.720 --> 0:33:24.840
<v Speaker 3>so we do that. It's very intentional. We put pins

0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:28.520
<v Speaker 3>in places that we want to so you really understand

0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:31.200
<v Speaker 3>the green because you see at one spot in the morning,

0:33:31.240 --> 0:33:32.840
<v Speaker 3>you see it in a different spot in the afternoon.

0:33:32.920 --> 0:33:35.480
<v Speaker 3>It's gonna be wildly different and you're gonna play different

0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:37.520
<v Speaker 3>teas too. So the golf course is really going to

0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:41.040
<v Speaker 3>play completely different. But at Lastonia, like you know, there

0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:43.520
<v Speaker 3>are perfect examples, like the leveth hole, which is a

0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:46.600
<v Speaker 3>great part five. You know, if that pins over on

0:33:46.600 --> 0:33:50.280
<v Speaker 3>the right, you have this really bold, huge contour that

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:53.000
<v Speaker 3>you have to You don't want to go right of it.

0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:55.239
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's a huge slope and you're dead if

0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:57.400
<v Speaker 3>you're right of it. But if the pin's over on

0:33:57.440 --> 0:33:59.680
<v Speaker 3>the left, you think, oh, this is so much easier.

0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:02.040
<v Speaker 3>But anything right like, it's so hard to keep it on.

0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:05.480
<v Speaker 3>And there's just like little knobs and on the left

0:34:05.520 --> 0:34:08.480
<v Speaker 3>side of the green that kind of like make these

0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:11.080
<v Speaker 3>putts a little bit more challenging just than just your

0:34:11.080 --> 0:34:12.440
<v Speaker 3>standard downhiller.

0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:17.560
<v Speaker 4>So how did you come upon Lawsonia Because for a

0:34:17.600 --> 0:34:20.680
<v Speaker 4>while it was like a pretty well kept secret that

0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:22.600
<v Speaker 4>this was a great course. I mean, I think it

0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:26.839
<v Speaker 4>was twenty fourteen when Ron Force and Jim Nagel came

0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:29.960
<v Speaker 4>in and did some work on the course and maybe

0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:32.080
<v Speaker 4>you know, pushed it forward quite a bit from what

0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:34.440
<v Speaker 4>it was. But did you see the course before that?

0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:36.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was a course I had played as a kid,

0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:39.719
<v Speaker 3>you know, being in the Midwest, Like I had gone

0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:42.480
<v Speaker 3>up there with a buddy one time, like it was

0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:45.080
<v Speaker 3>on just like a Wisconsin you know, we just went

0:34:45.160 --> 0:34:48.400
<v Speaker 3>up there and played I'd seen That's how I had

0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:51.600
<v Speaker 3>seen Eagle Springs that way too, which is another really

0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:53.520
<v Speaker 3>neat course that's like an hour and a half away.

0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:55.560
<v Speaker 3>This a nine holeer And it.

0:34:55.600 --> 0:34:58.319
<v Speaker 4>Was about that one on our website and also done

0:34:58.320 --> 0:34:59.839
<v Speaker 4>a podcast episode about it.

0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:02.120
<v Speaker 3>And when we when we started, you know, when I

0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:03.680
<v Speaker 3>started the fried Egg, it was just a place that

0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:06.560
<v Speaker 3>I knew I needed to get to and do something.

0:35:06.640 --> 0:35:09.600
<v Speaker 3>And you know, it was something somewhere that hadn't nobody

0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:12.040
<v Speaker 3>ever shot it with a drone, which I think like

0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:14.759
<v Speaker 3>shows some of the magnificence of it. And that's I

0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:19.000
<v Speaker 3>think where like the the widespread, like you show pictures

0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:22.160
<v Speaker 3>of the place and it's just you people look at it.

0:35:22.239 --> 0:35:23.920
<v Speaker 1>It's like I had need to go see that place.

0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:27.360
<v Speaker 1>So that's you know, it was just a place.

0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:29.480
<v Speaker 3>That I had seen as a kid and knew I

0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:33.120
<v Speaker 3>needed to get back and do something on it. And uh,

0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:35.560
<v Speaker 3>and the same goes for like Eagle Springs too.

0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:38.759
<v Speaker 4>Do you remember being stunned by it when you saw it?

0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:42.560
<v Speaker 4>You know through your you know, adult eyes, you've seen

0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 4>it as a kid.

0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Do you ever go That was.

0:35:44.480 --> 0:35:47.440
<v Speaker 3>Before the they had taken down all the trees on

0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:51.279
<v Speaker 3>the back nine, and you know the front nine Spectacus.

0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:52.759
<v Speaker 3>I think the more I play it, the more I

0:35:52.840 --> 0:35:55.319
<v Speaker 3>like the front nine. But the back nine it's just

0:35:55.480 --> 0:35:59.680
<v Speaker 3>it's just such an unbelievable It's really one of my

0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:02.080
<v Speaker 3>favorite parts of the event is when I make the

0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:05.160
<v Speaker 3>turn back there and you see all the people out there,

0:36:05.280 --> 0:36:08.279
<v Speaker 3>because it's just you see, it's like a very we

0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:12.160
<v Speaker 3>talk about like expansive properties that are very intimate, and

0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:15.120
<v Speaker 3>that's what that is. Like You're always close to people,

0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:18.680
<v Speaker 3>you see people, you can talk to them and everything,

0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:21.799
<v Speaker 3>and there's just greens gathered close to it, like you know,

0:36:21.840 --> 0:36:25.840
<v Speaker 3>you have the tenth Green, the thirteenth Green, and the

0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:29.520
<v Speaker 3>fourteenth Green also really close proximity on this ridge, but

0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:33.279
<v Speaker 3>then also you have the eleventh and fifteenth tee there

0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:33.920
<v Speaker 3>as well.

0:36:34.719 --> 0:36:37.840
<v Speaker 1>It's just it's a really special place.

0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:40.440
<v Speaker 3>And I think on the you know, we had done

0:36:40.480 --> 0:36:42.160
<v Speaker 3>a trip to Sam Valley and we've hit it on

0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:46.120
<v Speaker 3>the way back from Sand Valley and it was a

0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:49.600
<v Speaker 3>immediately I do I need to host people? That was

0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:51.800
<v Speaker 3>like that's always the place that I take people do

0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:55.040
<v Speaker 3>if they if they're come if they're in Chicago and

0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:57.440
<v Speaker 3>have a day and they say, I've got a day

0:36:57.480 --> 0:37:00.279
<v Speaker 3>to go play golf, Like that's the place I take too,

0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:02.759
<v Speaker 3>And it's a three hour drive, but it's so worth it.

0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:03.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:06.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's a reliable one where people play it for

0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:10.160
<v Speaker 4>the first time and they're like, wow, you know that.

0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:13.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's you got to see Lasonia like whether like

0:37:13.440 --> 0:37:17.359
<v Speaker 3>whether you're a public golfer or private golfer, Like Lasnia

0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:20.279
<v Speaker 3>if it was in Chicago would be right there with

0:37:20.520 --> 0:37:24.040
<v Speaker 3>Chicago golf shoretakers and Old Elm as the best course

0:37:24.080 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 3>in Chicago.

0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:28.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, I always dream about like this is

0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:29.160
<v Speaker 1>the thing.

0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:32.319
<v Speaker 3>It's like, this is where affordable public golf like is

0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:36.200
<v Speaker 3>a It's just a really interesting question is like would

0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:39.719
<v Speaker 3>it be better if it was fully restored and two

0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:42.200
<v Speaker 3>hundred and fifty dollars a person or is it better

0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:45.960
<v Speaker 3>seventy percent of what it could be and one hundred

0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:46.840
<v Speaker 3>dollars per person?

0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:50.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, I guess the idealist in me says

0:37:50.320 --> 0:37:53.719
<v Speaker 4>that you don't have to necessarily have that trade off,

0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:56.279
<v Speaker 4>right you could, Yeah, you could have the fully restored thing.

0:37:56.440 --> 0:37:58.440
<v Speaker 3>Hard, it's hard because like you have to kind of

0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:02.320
<v Speaker 3>shut down and yeah, it's like you don't have dues,

0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:03.680
<v Speaker 3>you don't have the dues paying.

0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:04.879
<v Speaker 1>It's just it's hard.

0:38:04.920 --> 0:38:07.200
<v Speaker 3>It's a harder proposition, and then you could do it

0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:09.720
<v Speaker 3>the way they've been doing it is just small little

0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:11.000
<v Speaker 3>things every year.

0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:14.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, I think that that's the thing to highlight though,

0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:17.200
<v Speaker 4>is that they have done work on the course to

0:38:17.320 --> 0:38:21.080
<v Speaker 4>make it better and have made it substantially better and

0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:24.879
<v Speaker 4>have still maintained in a pretty affordable rate. I mean

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:27.319
<v Speaker 4>for a getaway place where you can where you can

0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:29.840
<v Speaker 4>kind of get away from the city go play a

0:38:29.960 --> 0:38:33.440
<v Speaker 4>day of golf, this is an affordable option for that area,

0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:36.800
<v Speaker 4>and they've made the course better in the past ten years.

0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:39.239
<v Speaker 4>You know, we run into these discussions all the time.

0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:42.600
<v Speaker 4>That recently we had a discussion with some folks from

0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:48.000
<v Speaker 4>Cleveland about Sleepy Hollow and Manikiki there. These are really

0:38:48.040 --> 0:38:52.040
<v Speaker 4>really good municipal courses that could be a lot better

0:38:52.120 --> 0:38:54.680
<v Speaker 4>if they just did a little bit. And the concern

0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:55.960
<v Speaker 4>that we heard, well, first of all, a lot of

0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:59.160
<v Speaker 4>Clevelanders were saying, yeah, these courses could use some work.

0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:02.799
<v Speaker 4>There were though, who were saying, we can't do this

0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:07.279
<v Speaker 4>you know, we've got to maintain affordability at these facilities.

0:39:07.560 --> 0:39:10.440
<v Speaker 4>They're really good, right now, let's just leave them alone. No,

0:39:10.640 --> 0:39:13.600
<v Speaker 4>you can do little things each year that make the

0:39:13.600 --> 0:39:16.799
<v Speaker 4>golf course better. You don't have to shut down necessarily,

0:39:16.840 --> 0:39:19.720
<v Speaker 4>you don't have to spend millions and millions of dollars.

0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:24.239
<v Speaker 4>But there are some simple things that just make all

0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:26.840
<v Speaker 4>the difference in the world. And I think that Lawsnia

0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:27.880
<v Speaker 4>is an example of that.

0:39:28.480 --> 0:39:32.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean it's wonderful. Every year they do a

0:39:32.480 --> 0:39:36.359
<v Speaker 3>little extra, a little something new, and it's, you know,

0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:38.359
<v Speaker 3>one of my favorite places to go every year.

0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:43.000
<v Speaker 4>All right, So let's get to some discussions of the

0:39:43.560 --> 0:39:46.800
<v Speaker 4>other courses where sign ups are opening. So I've actually

0:39:46.840 --> 0:39:49.680
<v Speaker 4>checked in with Will Knights. We should give a shout

0:39:49.680 --> 0:39:52.120
<v Speaker 4>out to Will Knights because he is a major force

0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:55.719
<v Speaker 4>behind making these events run smoothly. He does a ton

0:39:55.760 --> 0:39:59.000
<v Speaker 4>of work behind the scenes, and so thank you Will.

0:39:59.239 --> 0:40:01.400
<v Speaker 4>I just asked him on like, when are we opening

0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:04.760
<v Speaker 4>sign ups for Dornic Hills and he says February seventh,

0:40:04.840 --> 0:40:07.520
<v Speaker 4>so that one is not among the sign ups that

0:40:07.560 --> 0:40:11.440
<v Speaker 4>are opening on January third. So coming up here for

0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:14.200
<v Speaker 4>the rest of the episode, we have a clip of

0:40:14.320 --> 0:40:18.120
<v Speaker 4>Troy Miller talking about Charleston Muni and Troy Miller is

0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:22.239
<v Speaker 4>the Charleston based architect who did the recent work on

0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:27.600
<v Speaker 4>Charleston Muni kind of Rayner inspired shaping and whole concepts,

0:40:28.040 --> 0:40:30.839
<v Speaker 4>and he tells the story of that, and then we

0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:33.760
<v Speaker 4>have a clip of me and you Andy talking about

0:40:33.800 --> 0:40:36.760
<v Speaker 4>Soul Park. These were both episodes that we released earlier

0:40:36.800 --> 0:40:38.839
<v Speaker 4>this year. You might might have caught them at the time,

0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:41.279
<v Speaker 4>and so that's what's coming up for the rest of

0:40:41.280 --> 0:40:49.800
<v Speaker 4>this episode.

0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:54.600
<v Speaker 2>And so really the idea Charleston Municipal was being a

0:40:54.680 --> 0:40:57.640
<v Speaker 2>nineteen twenty nine golf course being built at the same

0:40:57.680 --> 0:41:00.879
<v Speaker 2>time as Jamen's Hall and the country club, and being

0:41:00.880 --> 0:41:02.759
<v Speaker 2>able to see if you squint it a little bit,

0:41:02.920 --> 0:41:05.319
<v Speaker 2>you could see some of those classic features of a

0:41:05.400 --> 0:41:09.000
<v Speaker 2>rain Or design. And so it really kind of fell

0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:13.200
<v Speaker 2>to the bottom line of saying, let's really enhance this

0:41:13.360 --> 0:41:16.320
<v Speaker 2>and give an experience that the general public just doesn't

0:41:16.360 --> 0:41:18.880
<v Speaker 2>have otherwise when it comes to this style of architecture.

0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:22.000
<v Speaker 2>And so it was something that I felt like if

0:41:22.040 --> 0:41:24.600
<v Speaker 2>we did and we did it right, and we really

0:41:24.880 --> 0:41:27.680
<v Speaker 2>enhance the features that you would see on a rain

0:41:27.760 --> 0:41:31.080
<v Speaker 2>Or McDonald golf course, it would bring people that were

0:41:31.160 --> 0:41:34.120
<v Speaker 2>visiting the city to experience golf in the city. And

0:41:34.120 --> 0:41:36.919
<v Speaker 2>we're talking five minutes from downtown Charleston, and so this

0:41:37.000 --> 0:41:40.000
<v Speaker 2>does really open up that opportunity. And what that does

0:41:40.239 --> 0:41:43.600
<v Speaker 2>even more so is it allows the general public of

0:41:43.640 --> 0:41:46.560
<v Speaker 2>the locals to continue to have a municipal golf course

0:41:46.600 --> 0:41:48.200
<v Speaker 2>that they can be very proud of that they can

0:41:48.520 --> 0:41:51.879
<v Speaker 2>play for a very low rate and be subsidized by

0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:54.319
<v Speaker 2>guest play at a slightly higher rate, which is still

0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:58.439
<v Speaker 2>below market for a public daily fee in Charleston. And

0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:01.560
<v Speaker 2>that substance, he should allow the golf course to stay

0:42:01.560 --> 0:42:03.040
<v Speaker 2>in the kind of shape it needs to stay in

0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:06.720
<v Speaker 2>and should allow for it to continue to really get enhanced.

0:42:07.520 --> 0:42:11.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, with your project, I think obviously so many people

0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:14.840
<v Speaker 3>go to their local muni whether you know, there's so

0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:17.880
<v Speaker 3>many in urban areas, and they dream about the ability

0:42:17.960 --> 0:42:21.720
<v Speaker 3>to be able to reimagine the golf course and update

0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:25.160
<v Speaker 3>it and give it, put a little you know, TLC

0:42:25.440 --> 0:42:29.279
<v Speaker 3>into it. Talk about the process of going through that

0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:32.640
<v Speaker 3>and getting it through the city. Where did it start,

0:42:32.719 --> 0:42:35.839
<v Speaker 3>how did it come about, and how did it get

0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:38.040
<v Speaker 3>to where it is today with the finished product?

0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:40.600
<v Speaker 2>Sure, Yeah, so one of the things that it definitely

0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:44.640
<v Speaker 2>takes is is a lot of passion from the people involved,

0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:48.680
<v Speaker 2>from the people in leadership, And dating back to really

0:42:48.719 --> 0:42:52.360
<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen, was the first conversation that I had with

0:42:52.440 --> 0:42:54.480
<v Speaker 2>the mayor who basically said, hey, I want to do

0:42:54.520 --> 0:42:58.200
<v Speaker 2>something about Charleston Muni. And I said, okay, well, let

0:42:58.200 --> 0:42:59.560
<v Speaker 2>me take a look at this. And I went at

0:42:59.560 --> 0:43:02.560
<v Speaker 2>that point and started drawing conceptual plans and came back

0:43:02.600 --> 0:43:04.759
<v Speaker 2>not only with a conceptual plan but also a pro

0:43:04.840 --> 0:43:07.080
<v Speaker 2>forma as to why it made sense for the city

0:43:07.120 --> 0:43:08.840
<v Speaker 2>and how it was going to create a return for

0:43:08.880 --> 0:43:11.879
<v Speaker 2>the city. And so at that point we came back

0:43:11.920 --> 0:43:13.880
<v Speaker 2>and decided to go ahead and put together a five

0:43:14.000 --> 0:43:15.680
<v Speaker 2>ZHO one C three of the friends of the Muni

0:43:16.040 --> 0:43:18.440
<v Speaker 2>that would be part of that charitable arm that would

0:43:18.560 --> 0:43:21.239
<v Speaker 2>gain us some of that fundraising arm. So the way

0:43:21.239 --> 0:43:24.640
<v Speaker 2>that the project was originally intended was to basically have

0:43:24.680 --> 0:43:26.480
<v Speaker 2>two thirds of the money come from the city and

0:43:26.520 --> 0:43:29.000
<v Speaker 2>a third of the money come privately raised, and we've

0:43:29.000 --> 0:43:31.000
<v Speaker 2>pretty much achieved that throughout the course of the last

0:43:31.000 --> 0:43:34.319
<v Speaker 2>few years. The funding mechanism took several years because it

0:43:34.320 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 2>had to go through a bond referendum, that was part

0:43:36.160 --> 0:43:39.719
<v Speaker 2>of another recreation bond. And then the process itself is

0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:43.319
<v Speaker 2>heavily scrutinized because it's a city project that has to

0:43:43.320 --> 0:43:47.200
<v Speaker 2>go through city capital projects, and so the process is

0:43:47.239 --> 0:43:51.040
<v Speaker 2>not that of a typical private development, and so it

0:43:51.080 --> 0:43:53.920
<v Speaker 2>does take some effort and it takes some time. But

0:43:54.360 --> 0:43:56.239
<v Speaker 2>I think if you get the right people involved, and

0:43:56.280 --> 0:43:57.960
<v Speaker 2>really it's about the passion. And there were so many

0:43:58.000 --> 0:44:00.759
<v Speaker 2>people in Charleston that just loved that place. And my

0:44:00.840 --> 0:44:03.400
<v Speaker 2>family history dates back to the thirties there. My grandfather

0:44:03.480 --> 0:44:07.160
<v Speaker 2>caddied there, My father's first jobbing golf was there in

0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:10.319
<v Speaker 2>the late sixties, his first job as a professional, and

0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:12.800
<v Speaker 2>so there were so many people along the way that

0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:15.279
<v Speaker 2>just said, we care deeply about it, how can we help,

0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:18.200
<v Speaker 2>how can we make this happen. Then it wasn't just monetarily,

0:44:18.239 --> 0:44:21.719
<v Speaker 2>but it was also some political pressure that really got

0:44:21.760 --> 0:44:22.760
<v Speaker 2>the project going.

0:44:23.239 --> 0:44:27.880
<v Speaker 3>With regards to the pro forma creating, you know, showing

0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:29.960
<v Speaker 3>the value, because I think this is where so many

0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:33.640
<v Speaker 3>people like, how did you go about presenting the case

0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:36.480
<v Speaker 3>that hey, if we do this, you know, this is

0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:39.400
<v Speaker 3>going to go from something that loses money for the

0:44:39.440 --> 0:44:42.240
<v Speaker 3>city to something that's going to be something that brings

0:44:42.280 --> 0:44:43.640
<v Speaker 3>in revenue for the city.

0:44:43.920 --> 0:44:46.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And the biggest thing there is really looking at

0:44:46.480 --> 0:44:48.719
<v Speaker 2>what is the market rate for a non resident to

0:44:48.760 --> 0:44:51.440
<v Speaker 2>come play golf, and at the top top end of that,

0:44:51.600 --> 0:44:53.680
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to municipal golf courses, you've got place

0:44:53.719 --> 0:44:56.560
<v Speaker 2>like Tory Pines and Bethpage Black And while we're never

0:44:56.600 --> 0:45:00.319
<v Speaker 2>trying to achieve those levels, what it showed us was, hey,

0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:03.040
<v Speaker 2>we've got market rate to come play golf as a

0:45:03.560 --> 0:45:06.120
<v Speaker 2>visitor to Charleston. We've got a lot of room for

0:45:06.200 --> 0:45:09.240
<v Speaker 2>growth there. And so that was really the biggest change

0:45:09.280 --> 0:45:11.680
<v Speaker 2>in the revenue line of being able to say, hey,

0:45:11.680 --> 0:45:14.760
<v Speaker 2>we can go achieve ten thousand rounds. We do sixty

0:45:14.800 --> 0:45:17.680
<v Speaker 2>thousand rounds a year on MUNI and so if ten

0:45:17.719 --> 0:45:20.319
<v Speaker 2>thousand of those were out of town play at a

0:45:20.360 --> 0:45:22.880
<v Speaker 2>slightly higher rate, all of a sudden, that's going to

0:45:22.920 --> 0:45:25.400
<v Speaker 2>subsidize this thing, allow us to spend the money we

0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:27.600
<v Speaker 2>need to from a maintenance perspective to keep it up

0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:31.520
<v Speaker 2>and not create any kind of problems in terms of

0:45:32.160 --> 0:45:34.680
<v Speaker 2>accessibility for all of the local residents.

0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:37.399
<v Speaker 3>And I think this is where this project's a little

0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:40.040
<v Speaker 3>bit different than a lot of product you see munis

0:45:40.239 --> 0:45:43.240
<v Speaker 3>go down this road where they put money into their

0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:47.160
<v Speaker 3>golf course, but oftentimes it's money where they're putting a

0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:49.919
<v Speaker 3>lot of money in, but they aren't getting a drastically

0:45:49.920 --> 0:45:53.760
<v Speaker 3>different product from what they had. How did you play

0:45:54.000 --> 0:45:58.319
<v Speaker 3>the architecture into this? And I imagine, you know, just

0:45:58.440 --> 0:46:01.919
<v Speaker 3>thinking common sensely that had a lot to do to say,

0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:04.440
<v Speaker 3>this is how we attract money. Yes, you know, how

0:46:04.480 --> 0:46:07.480
<v Speaker 3>we attract out of town money is with this right.

0:46:07.600 --> 0:46:10.480
<v Speaker 2>Yes, absolutely, I think that the whole idea, and we've

0:46:10.520 --> 0:46:12.920
<v Speaker 2>taught a lot. Charleston is a very historic town and

0:46:12.960 --> 0:46:14.680
<v Speaker 2>we've got a role to play in the history of

0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:17.600
<v Speaker 2>the history of America and the history of golf and

0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:21.080
<v Speaker 2>the history of the Golden Age and Rayner McDonald's style architecture.

0:46:21.120 --> 0:46:24.040
<v Speaker 2>What Rainer did in this town, you know, is such

0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:27.680
<v Speaker 2>a great, great example of his work and exactly how

0:46:28.120 --> 0:46:29.960
<v Speaker 2>and it's why it fits so well in the low country,

0:46:30.000 --> 0:46:32.319
<v Speaker 2>the ability to really enhance the features of the golf

0:46:32.320 --> 0:46:36.520
<v Speaker 2>course on relatively flat property. And so the idea when

0:46:36.560 --> 0:46:39.480
<v Speaker 2>it was pitched was really about listen, we're a historic town,

0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:43.560
<v Speaker 2>We're a sophisticated town. We deserve a historic, sophisticated golf

0:46:43.560 --> 0:46:46.320
<v Speaker 2>course to call our own. And so when we really

0:46:46.880 --> 0:46:49.240
<v Speaker 2>dug down into it and started talking about the history

0:46:49.239 --> 0:46:51.719
<v Speaker 2>of Rayner and the experience in the low Country, it

0:46:51.880 --> 0:46:55.200
<v Speaker 2>was an easy pitch to get people behind the idea

0:46:55.200 --> 0:46:58.520
<v Speaker 2>of bringing these template holes to the table and really

0:46:58.520 --> 0:47:01.880
<v Speaker 2>trying to create that experiences for the public daily fee player.

0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:06.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I think obviously they're getting a drastically different

0:47:06.600 --> 0:47:11.120
<v Speaker 3>experience than what they had. Talk about how much of

0:47:11.160 --> 0:47:14.400
<v Speaker 3>the how much new stuff is out there, what are

0:47:14.440 --> 0:47:20.080
<v Speaker 3>the biggest, let's say, defining characteristics of beauty today versus

0:47:20.160 --> 0:47:21.080
<v Speaker 3>what was Yeah.

0:47:21.120 --> 0:47:24.560
<v Speaker 2>Sure, So the Greens themselves were all completely rebuilt and

0:47:24.600 --> 0:47:29.600
<v Speaker 2>are roughly about fifty percent bigger, fifty to sixty percent

0:47:29.640 --> 0:47:33.560
<v Speaker 2>bigger than they were before, much bolder contouring and essentially,

0:47:33.600 --> 0:47:35.800
<v Speaker 2>and like I said, because that golf course was built

0:47:35.920 --> 0:47:38.920
<v Speaker 2>in the twenties and we had that, you know, we

0:47:39.040 --> 0:47:41.920
<v Speaker 2>had that influence. It wasn't a rainer, as many people

0:47:42.000 --> 0:47:44.279
<v Speaker 2>might have said over the course of the years. But

0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:46.720
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen twenty nine, a lot of the same laborers

0:47:46.719 --> 0:47:49.120
<v Speaker 2>that built the country Club and built Yaman's Hall were

0:47:49.160 --> 0:47:51.440
<v Speaker 2>going there. And these were the only two examples of

0:47:51.440 --> 0:47:54.160
<v Speaker 2>golf in Charleston. So you know, they'd go across town,

0:47:54.239 --> 0:47:55.920
<v Speaker 2>take a look and say, okay, let's go build that.

0:47:56.280 --> 0:47:57.960
<v Speaker 2>And it was a bad game of telephone is what

0:47:58.000 --> 0:48:00.120
<v Speaker 2>it became. But you still got a lot of the

0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:01.960
<v Speaker 2>same features. And so there was a lot of those

0:48:02.000 --> 0:48:04.880
<v Speaker 2>big rectangular pads that were there that we were able

0:48:04.880 --> 0:48:08.000
<v Speaker 2>to take these you know, satellite dish greens that had

0:48:08.080 --> 0:48:10.719
<v Speaker 2>just atrophied over the years and expand them back out

0:48:10.719 --> 0:48:14.440
<v Speaker 2>into those corners and then accelerate just by sharpening the

0:48:14.520 --> 0:48:17.399
<v Speaker 2>edges a little bit, elevating really no more than six

0:48:17.440 --> 0:48:20.280
<v Speaker 2>inches to a foot in most green complexes, but creating

0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:22.879
<v Speaker 2>some bolder contours. And one of the great things about

0:48:22.880 --> 0:48:25.480
<v Speaker 2>working on a municipal golf course where you know that

0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:27.719
<v Speaker 2>the limits are never going to be pushed from terms

0:48:27.719 --> 0:48:30.279
<v Speaker 2>of green speed, was the freedom of being able to

0:48:30.320 --> 0:48:33.759
<v Speaker 2>create some bold contouring in the greens. I can tell you,

0:48:33.760 --> 0:48:35.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, opening day, those greens were running nine and

0:48:35.960 --> 0:48:38.839
<v Speaker 2>a half and I was listening to people walk off

0:48:38.880 --> 0:48:41.040
<v Speaker 2>that golf course saying, they can't keep these greens at

0:48:41.040 --> 0:48:42.960
<v Speaker 2>twelve like this, it's just going to be too much.

0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:47.160
<v Speaker 2>And so it's really good to create some perceived green

0:48:47.239 --> 0:48:50.560
<v Speaker 2>speed rather than actual green speed. Because it takes a

0:48:50.560 --> 0:48:53.600
<v Speaker 2>lot of pressure off of your maintenance, you know, in

0:48:53.680 --> 0:48:58.080
<v Speaker 2>terms of the architecture. And I lost my train of thought. Andy,

0:48:58.120 --> 0:48:59.680
<v Speaker 2>tell me what was your question?

0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:01.680
<v Speaker 1>Can't remember either.

0:49:02.400 --> 0:49:06.080
<v Speaker 3>You know, I don't even remember, but you know what

0:49:06.440 --> 0:49:06.600
<v Speaker 3>you know.

0:49:06.760 --> 0:49:08.760
<v Speaker 1>So let's you talked about the defining features.

0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:11.319
<v Speaker 2>They're defining features. So let me say first, so there's

0:49:11.360 --> 0:49:14.120
<v Speaker 2>there's twelve template holes out there. There's eleven at the

0:49:14.120 --> 0:49:16.480
<v Speaker 2>Country Club of Charleston, and then there's thirteen at Yamon's Hall.

0:49:17.000 --> 0:49:19.480
<v Speaker 2>And of those templates, I think the ones that will

0:49:19.480 --> 0:49:21.600
<v Speaker 2>stand out the most of people, and where the biggest

0:49:21.600 --> 0:49:24.640
<v Speaker 2>physical change to the property came was the corner of

0:49:24.680 --> 0:49:28.080
<v Speaker 2>the golf course. That's eleven, twelve, thirteen and fourteen. At

0:49:28.080 --> 0:49:30.360
<v Speaker 2>that point you kind of leave kind of the parkland

0:49:30.440 --> 0:49:33.279
<v Speaker 2>style of the golf course, crossed the road and head

0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:36.000
<v Speaker 2>down towards the river into something that feels much more lynxy,

0:49:36.440 --> 0:49:38.280
<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden, now you've got your playing

0:49:38.360 --> 0:49:42.279
<v Speaker 2>redan cape, road and short in that order. And so

0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I think having that corner of the golf course with

0:49:45.120 --> 0:49:48.560
<v Speaker 2>those very recognizable template holes and the views that were

0:49:48.600 --> 0:49:51.640
<v Speaker 2>created simply by we we eliminated about two and a

0:49:51.680 --> 0:49:55.319
<v Speaker 2>half acres of new growth forests that was kind of

0:49:55.719 --> 0:49:58.400
<v Speaker 2>blocking the view of the river, and in its place

0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:01.680
<v Speaker 2>we dug a rether large lake that's in between golf holes,

0:50:02.320 --> 0:50:05.400
<v Speaker 2>primarily for storm water and also to create generate the

0:50:05.400 --> 0:50:07.399
<v Speaker 2>material to elevate some of these holes that were sitting

0:50:07.440 --> 0:50:09.919
<v Speaker 2>in the floodplain. So there was a lot of functionality

0:50:09.920 --> 0:50:13.200
<v Speaker 2>to what we did, and then the architecture just became

0:50:13.520 --> 0:50:14.200
<v Speaker 2>the fun part.

0:50:15.239 --> 0:50:19.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and obviously talk about the functionality. I think I

0:50:19.200 --> 0:50:22.320
<v Speaker 3>visited it was probably a perfect day to visit because

0:50:22.440 --> 0:50:25.800
<v Speaker 3>I saw, you know, all of all of the existing

0:50:25.880 --> 0:50:30.400
<v Speaker 3>courses and original courses issues, and I think that's beyond

0:50:30.600 --> 0:50:33.319
<v Speaker 3>you know, the increase in design. Talk about just the

0:50:33.360 --> 0:50:37.200
<v Speaker 3>functional design things that you did to make it a

0:50:37.760 --> 0:50:39.200
<v Speaker 3>better golf course day and day.

0:50:39.360 --> 0:50:41.839
<v Speaker 2>Sure, so drainage obviously being in a low country and

0:50:41.880 --> 0:50:44.920
<v Speaker 2>being at a very low elevation as Immuni is, you know,

0:50:45.000 --> 0:50:47.760
<v Speaker 2>the biggest thing that we did was create better drainage

0:50:47.760 --> 0:50:50.640
<v Speaker 2>and elevated some of those holes that were along the

0:50:50.640 --> 0:50:53.560
<v Speaker 2>flood in the floodplain along the river. Some holes were

0:50:53.600 --> 0:50:55.960
<v Speaker 2>elevated as much as five to seven feet from where

0:50:55.960 --> 0:50:59.040
<v Speaker 2>they were before, others just six to twelve inches is

0:50:59.080 --> 0:51:01.200
<v Speaker 2>all it really took. But you mentioned, you know, you

0:51:01.239 --> 0:51:03.360
<v Speaker 2>came on a day when we had a king tide,

0:51:03.360 --> 0:51:05.359
<v Speaker 2>which is basically a seven and a half or eight

0:51:05.440 --> 0:51:08.120
<v Speaker 2>foot tide, And I can remember being out there days

0:51:08.120 --> 0:51:11.160
<v Speaker 2>and watching the tide come in across the fifteenth fairway

0:51:11.480 --> 0:51:14.480
<v Speaker 2>and literally reach the far end of the fairway and

0:51:14.600 --> 0:51:17.080
<v Speaker 2>just thinking, my god, how are we going to do this?

0:51:17.640 --> 0:51:19.440
<v Speaker 2>And the way we were able to do it was

0:51:19.480 --> 0:51:22.680
<v Speaker 2>actually by creating digging out a pond, creating a better

0:51:22.760 --> 0:51:25.120
<v Speaker 2>dyke system that had been there, and just elevating that

0:51:25.520 --> 0:51:28.520
<v Speaker 2>to kind of combat what is these rising tide levels

0:51:28.520 --> 0:51:30.480
<v Speaker 2>that we're seeing in the low country and all of

0:51:30.520 --> 0:51:32.239
<v Speaker 2>a sudden, now what we have as a firm and

0:51:32.280 --> 0:51:35.160
<v Speaker 2>fast golf course that should stay that way, that's got

0:51:35.239 --> 0:51:38.359
<v Speaker 2>the appropriate drainage. And a big thing in Charleston too,

0:51:38.400 --> 0:51:40.919
<v Speaker 2>is we talk about living with water because you ain't

0:51:40.920 --> 0:51:43.040
<v Speaker 2>gonna get rid of it. We're we're at sea level

0:51:43.040 --> 0:51:46.040
<v Speaker 2>and it's not going anywhere. And so the biggest part

0:51:46.040 --> 0:51:47.960
<v Speaker 2>of it was moving the water out of the areas

0:51:47.960 --> 0:51:51.520
<v Speaker 2>of play, getting it off to the edges, into ditches,

0:51:51.760 --> 0:51:54.200
<v Speaker 2>into new ponds, things that didn't come into play and

0:51:54.239 --> 0:51:57.080
<v Speaker 2>didn't become more penal in terms of the design and

0:51:57.120 --> 0:52:00.320
<v Speaker 2>the way the golf course plays, but functionality wise, provide

0:52:00.320 --> 0:52:02.239
<v Speaker 2>a place for the water to get off to so

0:52:02.280 --> 0:52:04.959
<v Speaker 2>that you can keep those fairways in those center lines firm.

0:52:05.480 --> 0:52:10.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think anybody that's worked or has intimate knowledge about,

0:52:10.239 --> 0:52:13.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, working in a municipal project or just any

0:52:13.760 --> 0:52:16.680
<v Speaker 1>project in general, worst of the biggest challenges of the

0:52:16.719 --> 0:52:18.719
<v Speaker 1>project over the course of the of the year and

0:52:18.760 --> 0:52:19.120
<v Speaker 1>a half.

0:52:19.480 --> 0:52:19.719
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:52:19.840 --> 0:52:23.400
<v Speaker 2>I think that certainly working in a municipal setting, in

0:52:23.440 --> 0:52:29.040
<v Speaker 2>a government setting, there there's always there's always a maybe

0:52:29.080 --> 0:52:31.560
<v Speaker 2>not the sense of urgency that you know that you

0:52:31.680 --> 0:52:34.960
<v Speaker 2>need to have as a golf course builder and as

0:52:35.000 --> 0:52:37.920
<v Speaker 2>a golf course architect, knowing, hey that the clock's ticking,

0:52:38.440 --> 0:52:41.279
<v Speaker 2>we got to grow in to hit. I can't wait

0:52:41.320 --> 0:52:43.440
<v Speaker 2>for your seventh person to sign off on this so

0:52:43.480 --> 0:52:45.040
<v Speaker 2>that I can get pipe in the ground, so that

0:52:45.080 --> 0:52:47.920
<v Speaker 2>I can plant grass. Trying to educate people on that

0:52:48.040 --> 0:52:51.920
<v Speaker 2>perspective and kind of with that that mentality is a

0:52:51.960 --> 0:52:54.680
<v Speaker 2>tough thing, and so I think that's part of the

0:52:54.680 --> 0:52:57.080
<v Speaker 2>reason why a lot of these municipal projects don't get

0:52:57.200 --> 0:53:00.360
<v Speaker 2>done in this kind of unique manner where true was

0:53:00.400 --> 0:53:03.560
<v Speaker 2>a city led project. I think the vast majority of

0:53:03.560 --> 0:53:05.760
<v Speaker 2>what we've seen with these municipal projects around the country

0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:09.320
<v Speaker 2>recently have been the takeovers where you get a foundation

0:53:09.440 --> 0:53:11.279
<v Speaker 2>that comes in and says, hey, we're going to take it.

0:53:11.520 --> 0:53:13.560
<v Speaker 2>We're just gonna lease it from you. You guys are

0:53:13.600 --> 0:53:17.840
<v Speaker 2>completely hands off. And honestly, I'm kind of proud of

0:53:17.840 --> 0:53:19.799
<v Speaker 2>the fact that that's not one of these. I think

0:53:19.840 --> 0:53:21.560
<v Speaker 2>that the fact that the city is going to still

0:53:21.600 --> 0:53:24.040
<v Speaker 2>run it, that it is still the city is wholly in,

0:53:24.080 --> 0:53:26.520
<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent, and it's something for them to be

0:53:26.600 --> 0:53:29.279
<v Speaker 2>proud of. We have got a great park system in

0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:31.960
<v Speaker 2>the city of Charleston, and this should be the crowning

0:53:32.040 --> 0:53:36.160
<v Speaker 2>jewel of that. And so, you know, I'm actually quite

0:53:36.239 --> 0:53:39.360
<v Speaker 2>pleased that we didn't have to go to the level

0:53:39.360 --> 0:53:41.560
<v Speaker 2>of privatizing to get action.

0:53:42.239 --> 0:53:47.400
<v Speaker 3>Do you think also with that there's an enhanced sense

0:53:47.440 --> 0:53:50.160
<v Speaker 3>of pride, not just with you know, the city as

0:53:50.200 --> 0:53:52.760
<v Speaker 3>a whole, all the way down through the maintenance steam

0:53:52.920 --> 0:53:55.879
<v Speaker 3>that worked on the project, Like, do you think that

0:53:56.160 --> 0:53:59.320
<v Speaker 3>is going to lead to where we maybe see less

0:53:59.360 --> 0:54:02.520
<v Speaker 3>atrophy you know on the golf course in the future.

0:54:02.680 --> 0:54:05.880
<v Speaker 3>You know what that sad tale that so many municipalities

0:54:06.239 --> 0:54:08.719
<v Speaker 3>see is where green shrink fairway shrink. Do you think

0:54:08.800 --> 0:54:12.160
<v Speaker 3>because you know the city went through it with you

0:54:12.760 --> 0:54:17.000
<v Speaker 3>and your team, that you'll see a longer lasting product

0:54:17.040 --> 0:54:18.360
<v Speaker 3>than typically.

0:54:18.120 --> 0:54:20.439
<v Speaker 2>I sure hope. So I think that there's so many

0:54:20.440 --> 0:54:22.239
<v Speaker 2>people who care deeply about it, and a lot of

0:54:22.280 --> 0:54:24.680
<v Speaker 2>those people are the people who are working there and

0:54:24.719 --> 0:54:27.480
<v Speaker 2>that have been there for decades in some cases, And

0:54:27.560 --> 0:54:29.920
<v Speaker 2>so I really do think that'll be the case in

0:54:30.000 --> 0:54:32.839
<v Speaker 2>the community involvement on this project as well. I mean,

0:54:32.840 --> 0:54:37.080
<v Speaker 2>we had volunteer days, We had volunteers planting the landscaping

0:54:37.160 --> 0:54:40.279
<v Speaker 2>on that on a beautiful November day, And to hear

0:54:40.400 --> 0:54:42.040
<v Speaker 2>guys now going out there and playing and say, hey,

0:54:42.080 --> 0:54:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I planted that dogwood. You know, I think that there

0:54:45.040 --> 0:54:47.160
<v Speaker 2>is a sense of pride that comes with it that

0:54:47.200 --> 0:54:51.640
<v Speaker 2>I hope will translate into better course care, that will

0:54:51.640 --> 0:54:56.280
<v Speaker 2>translate into long term conditioning and a sense of pride

0:54:56.280 --> 0:54:58.560
<v Speaker 2>that I hope everybody in Charleston can happen.

0:55:09.719 --> 0:55:12.960
<v Speaker 4>And I guess you know, the way we should start

0:55:13.080 --> 0:55:15.360
<v Speaker 4>is is just at the beginning with the boomerang with

0:55:15.480 --> 0:55:18.719
<v Speaker 4>soul Park golf course. We haven't talked about soul Park

0:55:18.800 --> 0:55:20.480
<v Speaker 4>on the podcast yet I don't.

0:55:20.320 --> 0:55:24.080
<v Speaker 3>Think right, it's such a wonderful place. I yeah, I

0:55:24.120 --> 0:55:27.160
<v Speaker 3>had like all this anxiety. You know, you see a

0:55:27.200 --> 0:55:30.520
<v Speaker 3>place one time and you've been there so many times,

0:55:30.560 --> 0:55:32.840
<v Speaker 3>you grew up playing there, but you see a place

0:55:32.920 --> 0:55:35.640
<v Speaker 3>and I had the same feeling about Losnia, you know,

0:55:35.680 --> 0:55:38.239
<v Speaker 3>before we hosted the steam shovel its like you get

0:55:38.239 --> 0:55:40.720
<v Speaker 3>this anxiety. It's like, well, I really love the place,

0:55:40.760 --> 0:55:43.240
<v Speaker 3>but like, is everybody else really going to love the place?

0:55:43.360 --> 0:55:45.759
<v Speaker 3>You know when you're when you hosted an event and

0:55:46.719 --> 0:55:49.239
<v Speaker 3>you get I got back there immediately, I was like, oh, yeah,

0:55:49.280 --> 0:55:52.560
<v Speaker 3>this place is so good. It is such a fun place.

0:55:52.600 --> 0:55:57.120
<v Speaker 3>It's just unbelievable setting there in Ojai, California and the mountains.

0:55:57.120 --> 0:56:00.279
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to tell too many people about Hi

0:56:00.480 --> 0:56:03.560
<v Speaker 3>because you know, I want to be a future resident

0:56:03.600 --> 0:56:06.520
<v Speaker 3>of Ohi, so I don't need everybody driving up real

0:56:06.640 --> 0:56:07.680
<v Speaker 3>estate prices there.

0:56:07.760 --> 0:56:10.440
<v Speaker 4>But I'm pretty sure the real estate prices have already

0:56:10.440 --> 0:56:11.640
<v Speaker 4>gotten out of control there.

0:56:12.640 --> 0:56:14.719
<v Speaker 1>But Soul Park is so cool.

0:56:15.120 --> 0:56:18.480
<v Speaker 3>You have much more experience with it the v you

0:56:18.640 --> 0:56:21.960
<v Speaker 3>grew up in the general area. You've played the golf

0:56:22.040 --> 0:56:26.520
<v Speaker 3>course before Gilhan's renovated it in the early two thousands.

0:56:26.640 --> 0:56:28.520
<v Speaker 3>Tell us a little bit about the transformation.

0:56:29.239 --> 0:56:32.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, sure, So Soul Park was built in nineteen sixty

0:56:32.160 --> 0:56:33.400
<v Speaker 4>two by William F.

0:56:33.520 --> 0:56:33.719
<v Speaker 1>Bell.

0:56:34.040 --> 0:56:37.920
<v Speaker 4>Right, so you know Southern California golf course architecture one

0:56:37.960 --> 0:56:40.400
<v Speaker 4>oh one is distinguishing between the two Bells.

0:56:40.600 --> 0:56:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah what F stand for? Do you know what the

0:56:43.000 --> 0:56:43.399
<v Speaker 1>F stand?

0:56:43.440 --> 0:56:47.080
<v Speaker 4>I don't actually even know. Maybe Francis, probably Francis. I

0:56:47.160 --> 0:56:50.560
<v Speaker 4>really have no idea. Maybe Frederick. But William F. Bell

0:56:50.960 --> 0:56:52.840
<v Speaker 4>is the son of William P.

0:56:53.080 --> 0:56:53.319
<v Speaker 1>Bell.

0:56:54.239 --> 0:56:57.040
<v Speaker 4>William P. Bell is often referred to as Billy Bell

0:56:57.200 --> 0:57:00.600
<v Speaker 4>Senior and Billy Bell Senior worked with George Thomas on

0:57:00.640 --> 0:57:03.680
<v Speaker 4>a number of really well known Southern California golf courses.

0:57:03.680 --> 0:57:07.719
<v Speaker 4>In fact, the George Thomas Southern California golf courses that

0:57:07.760 --> 0:57:12.920
<v Speaker 4>you've heard of, Riviera, lacc North, Billy Bell William P.

0:57:13.080 --> 0:57:15.799
<v Speaker 4>Bell worked on those as well and was kind of

0:57:15.840 --> 0:57:17.520
<v Speaker 4>the master bunker shaper.

0:57:17.920 --> 0:57:22.480
<v Speaker 3>I also believe that Billy Bell William P. Bell was

0:57:22.680 --> 0:57:27.360
<v Speaker 3>an integral in aw tilling House design of San Francisco

0:57:27.440 --> 0:57:30.880
<v Speaker 3>Golf Club. So another place with that is lauded for

0:57:30.920 --> 0:57:32.080
<v Speaker 3>their bunkers.

0:57:32.160 --> 0:57:34.920
<v Speaker 4>And if you have experience at Billy Bell designs in

0:57:34.960 --> 0:57:38.120
<v Speaker 4>southern California. You go to San Francisco and you're like, hey, man,

0:57:38.680 --> 0:57:41.320
<v Speaker 4>these don't look like tilling House bunkers. These look like,

0:57:41.680 --> 0:57:44.680
<v Speaker 4>you know, sort of classic California Billy Bell bunkers. In

0:57:44.720 --> 0:57:47.400
<v Speaker 4>any case, you know, Billy Bell's a really well regarded

0:57:47.440 --> 0:57:52.640
<v Speaker 4>regional architect. William F. Bell is his son. And you know,

0:57:52.720 --> 0:57:54.800
<v Speaker 4>to be honest, you know, I've played a lot of

0:57:54.800 --> 0:57:58.680
<v Speaker 4>William F. Bell courses. They're all over southern California. Not

0:57:58.800 --> 0:58:01.320
<v Speaker 4>all of them are super remarked. I think he was

0:58:01.360 --> 0:58:05.200
<v Speaker 4>a good router of golf courses, but I'm not going

0:58:05.280 --> 0:58:07.600
<v Speaker 4>to make any great claims about his abilities as a

0:58:07.640 --> 0:58:11.479
<v Speaker 4>strategic architect. But in any case, he designed Soul Park

0:58:11.520 --> 0:58:15.760
<v Speaker 4>Golf Course as a municipal course for Vintura County in Ohi,

0:58:15.880 --> 0:58:19.640
<v Speaker 4>California in nineteen sixty two, and that was the first

0:58:20.080 --> 0:58:21.960
<v Speaker 4>version of the course that I played. I played it

0:58:22.000 --> 0:58:24.080
<v Speaker 4>for the first time in the nineties. My dad and

0:58:24.120 --> 0:58:27.440
<v Speaker 4>I played it a bunch. Even then, I thought this

0:58:27.560 --> 0:58:30.320
<v Speaker 4>was a pretty special place just because of its location,

0:58:30.560 --> 0:58:35.160
<v Speaker 4>a beautiful valley in Ohi, and in the mornings and

0:58:35.320 --> 0:58:41.280
<v Speaker 4>evenings there's just really an indescribable kind of peaceful loveliness

0:58:41.560 --> 0:58:44.760
<v Speaker 4>to being in that valley. Well. In any case, soul

0:58:44.840 --> 0:58:48.520
<v Speaker 4>Park got ravaged by a flood in two thousand and five.

0:58:48.680 --> 0:58:51.240
<v Speaker 4>Like much of the Central Coast, it really got nailed

0:58:51.240 --> 0:58:54.960
<v Speaker 4>by this flood. Significant parts of the golf course were destroyed.

0:58:55.760 --> 0:58:58.080
<v Speaker 4>It was in limbo for a little bit. There was

0:58:58.120 --> 0:59:00.600
<v Speaker 4>some doubt as to whether the course would serve. But

0:59:01.200 --> 0:59:04.040
<v Speaker 4>the right kind of manager of a renovation came along

0:59:04.040 --> 0:59:06.000
<v Speaker 4>and Craig Price, who had.

0:59:05.880 --> 0:59:07.520
<v Speaker 1>Been also Rustic Canyon.

0:59:07.680 --> 0:59:10.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, you know, he decided to sort of take

0:59:10.800 --> 0:59:13.040
<v Speaker 4>over the lease for a time and he headed up

0:59:13.080 --> 0:59:16.880
<v Speaker 4>the renovation. And who did he call but Gil Hanson

0:59:16.960 --> 0:59:21.880
<v Speaker 4>Jim Wagner who had designed Rustic Canyon alongside Jeff Shackelford

0:59:22.080 --> 0:59:26.080
<v Speaker 4>a few years before. And Gil Hanson Jim Wagner were

0:59:26.200 --> 0:59:28.680
<v Speaker 4>well known as good architects at the time, but they

0:59:29.040 --> 0:59:31.880
<v Speaker 4>didn't have nearly the stature that they have now. Right

0:59:31.920 --> 0:59:34.560
<v Speaker 4>this is pre Olympic Course, pre a.

0:59:34.560 --> 0:59:37.280
<v Speaker 3>Lot of the big name restoration work that you know

0:59:37.360 --> 0:59:41.400
<v Speaker 3>now they're known for as much, if not more than

0:59:41.440 --> 0:59:44.480
<v Speaker 3>their original designs, which they have a number of outstanding

0:59:44.560 --> 0:59:45.520
<v Speaker 3>riginal designs.

0:59:45.760 --> 0:59:48.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So they came in and they did a renovation

0:59:49.200 --> 0:59:53.080
<v Speaker 4>of Seul Park really more or less kept the same routing,

0:59:53.920 --> 0:59:57.400
<v Speaker 4>but in every other sense transformed the course. And they

0:59:57.440 --> 1:00:00.240
<v Speaker 4>did their work for about three point two million dollars.

1:00:00.960 --> 1:00:03.720
<v Speaker 3>So that's an important number to keep in mind for

1:00:04.000 --> 1:00:08.000
<v Speaker 3>discussion later in this podcast about.

1:00:07.160 --> 1:00:09.880
<v Speaker 4>We're going to quote some higher numbers for Tory Pines.

1:00:10.280 --> 1:00:13.640
<v Speaker 4>But you know, even after that renovation, it struggled for

1:00:13.680 --> 1:00:16.440
<v Speaker 4>a while. You know, it had a series of managers

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<v Speaker 4>who maybe didn't prioritize the golf course. But in twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 4>Keith Brown came in took over the lease of the

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<v Speaker 4>golf course, and really ever since then, Saul Park has

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<v Speaker 4>been ascending and visiting the course now during our event

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<v Speaker 4>and seeing the club, the members of the club, many

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<v Speaker 4>of whom were at our event, how much they love

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<v Speaker 4>the place, how good of a time they have there.

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<v Speaker 4>The culture of that course is so lively now and

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<v Speaker 4>it's just wonderful to see.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it starts with the staff too, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think that's one of the things, is like it's such

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<v Speaker 3>a welcoming, open place where you know, they have all

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<v Speaker 3>types of golfers. You can bring your dog out there.

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<v Speaker 3>Their dog friendly and really it's such a diversion from

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<v Speaker 3>what I guess you could kind of put this in

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<v Speaker 3>the municipal golf buckets, but it's a lease. Keith Brown

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<v Speaker 3>manages it on a lease from the city, from the county,

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<v Speaker 3>from the county, so it's you know, quasi municipal golf.

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<v Speaker 3>But like it's such a diversion from what you see

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<v Speaker 3>at so many other municipal facilities that are very unwelcoming,

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<v Speaker 3>like you try and bring your dog out there, or

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<v Speaker 3>you try, and you know, they just look for ways

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<v Speaker 3>to turn golfers away almost and you know that's really

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<v Speaker 3>most of the municipal golf around me is that way.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just unbelievable how hard some places make it for

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<v Speaker 3>you to go out and enjoy the day and enjoy

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<v Speaker 3>the golf course. And I think that's the thing that

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<v Speaker 3>they've done so well, is they make it so easy

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<v Speaker 3>for people to enjoy their time there, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And that's something that's been very intentional on the

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<v Speaker 4>part of Keith Brown. When he came in there, the

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<v Speaker 4>vibe of the course was more like, here are a

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<v Speaker 4>set of rules. Make sure you follow these rules. There

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<v Speaker 4>are signs up everywhere that said, you know, youve got

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<v Speaker 4>address a certain way. Don't go here, don't go there.

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<v Speaker 4>And Keith was really you know, he knew what he

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<v Speaker 4>was doing in stripping a lot of that away, and

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<v Speaker 4>he says like, I don't care if you come out

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<v Speaker 4>and play in flip flops. I don't care.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the biggest, the biggest evidence is how the people

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<v Speaker 3>that play the golf course has changed and how Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>they have a large contingent of people that drive an

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<v Speaker 3>hour and a half from Los Angeles up there to

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<v Speaker 3>play golf.

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<v Speaker 4>Like it's a younger crowd too, yeah, right that for

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<v Speaker 4>decades that course has been dominated by the Senior Men's

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<v Speaker 4>Club and you know, no shade on the Senior Men's Club,

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<v Speaker 4>but that has been shaken up recently and there is

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<v Speaker 4>a younger crowd out there right now.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think this is it's just a beyond just

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<v Speaker 3>the golf course, like, and we haven't even talked about

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<v Speaker 3>the design of the course and what that's done. This

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<v Speaker 3>is just strictly a culture thing in a attitude towards

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<v Speaker 3>providing a welcoming atmosphere that's done so much of the

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<v Speaker 3>legwork on this and that's where you know, so many

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<v Speaker 3>facilities need to look at themselves in the mirror and say,

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<v Speaker 3>is golf the issue or are we the issue? And

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<v Speaker 3>I think this is a facility that proves like there's

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<v Speaker 3>plenty of golfers in you know, they're drawing from an

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<v Speaker 3>hour and a half away. You know, there's plenty of

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<v Speaker 3>golfers within your most cases metro area that you can

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<v Speaker 3>make this work if you provide a great place to

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<v Speaker 3>hang out. That's really what it is. Is like, if

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to spend five hours somewhere, there aren't many

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<v Speaker 3>places public or private that I'd rather spend five hours

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<v Speaker 3>at than Seoul Park with those mountains and just the

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<v Speaker 3>general attitude at the golf course of being so laid

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<v Speaker 3>back and welcoming.

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<v Speaker 4>And the food and the drink and the way the

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<v Speaker 4>manner in which it's provided. You know, you mentioned the

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<v Speaker 4>staff earlier. Keith has really hired some great people and

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<v Speaker 4>they contribute to the culture of the place as well.

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<v Speaker 4>But there is a reason that people are driving an

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<v Speaker 4>hour and a half to come up to this golf course.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's not just because there's a cool social vibe there.

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<v Speaker 4>It is because this is a fantastic golf course. What

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<v Speaker 4>were the things that kind of struck you on the

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<v Speaker 4>second visit to the course that maybe you didn't notice

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<v Speaker 4>the first time through the thing.

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<v Speaker 3>The greens are just so fantastic the property in general,

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<v Speaker 3>Like what's amazing about is the setting around the mountains.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think there's too much you know, movement. There's

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<v Speaker 3>no wild movement like you might see it, say, Lawsonia's

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<v Speaker 3>got some great movement and great greens, but this place

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<v Speaker 3>just has some really creative greens. And just how how

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<v Speaker 3>dynamic the holes are in the in the case of

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<v Speaker 3>when you change the pin, how much the ideal place

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<v Speaker 3>is to be shift. You know, you're able to put

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<v Speaker 3>it over a bunker with a with a hard slope

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<v Speaker 3>away and you know, I myself hit it into a

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<v Speaker 3>place where you know I'm looking at It was the

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<v Speaker 3>second hole we had the pin kind of up front left.

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<v Speaker 3>It's over a bunker with a very severe slope on

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<v Speaker 3>the back side of the bunker and everything in the

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<v Speaker 3>green running way. Of course, I hit it just into

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<v Speaker 3>the left rough off the tee, and I remembered I

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<v Speaker 3>was sitting there with a wedge thinking to myself, God,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if I can get this close. I

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<v Speaker 3>hit a great great shot, and I ended up like

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen feet away, yeah, and I was like that that's

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<v Speaker 3>about as probably close as I could get. But if

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<v Speaker 3>I had taken on the bunkers gone up the right,

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<v Speaker 3>I would have had a chance to hit it really

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<v Speaker 3>close because everything would have been working for me. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's the probably the most memorable aspect of

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<v Speaker 3>Seoul Park is just how the greens allow it to

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<v Speaker 3>be so dynamic day to day.

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<v Speaker 4>You almost can't believe how wild some of these greens are.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, you just almost can't believe that these existed

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<v Speaker 4>a municipal course, and just the fact that they've survived

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<v Speaker 4>since two thousand and five, when there have been members

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<v Speaker 4>of that course who have objected to certain elements of

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<v Speaker 4>Hansen Wagner's renovation. You know, I'm just really grateful that

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<v Speaker 4>those greens are still there.

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<v Speaker 3>You can set that golf course up so tough because

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<v Speaker 3>of the greens, and then you can also because of

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<v Speaker 3>the greens, you can set it up so easy. There's

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<v Speaker 3>great repelling pins and gathering pins on almost every green exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, that's that's Soule Park. I would say that, like,

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<v Speaker 4>the Soul Park story is not over yet. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>I would like to see not too many changes to

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<v Speaker 4>that golf course. I'd like to see some of the

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<v Speaker 4>elements that were there in two thousand and five when

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<v Speaker 4>Hanson Wagner redid the course to be brought back. And

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<v Speaker 4>you know, there are just a few subtleties that have

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<v Speaker 4>been lost since then, nothing major, And I'd really like

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<v Speaker 4>to see not too many more trees add it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>we did see some new tree plantings out there, and

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<v Speaker 4>I have to just say that my opinion is that

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<v Speaker 4>it's fine in terms of trees as it is. There

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<v Speaker 4>are some beautiful specimen trees out there, some beautiful, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>distinctive Southern California species. The holes don't need to be

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<v Speaker 4>framed anymore than they currently are. There doesn't need to

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<v Speaker 4>be much tree removal. But by the same token, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think there needs to be any more tree addition.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, there's much better views across the golf course

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<v Speaker 4>now than there were in the nineteen nineties, and that's

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<v Speaker 4>one of the great things about the current version of

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<v Speaker 4>the courses that you can really see across several holes

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<v Speaker 4>at a time, and that's part of what makes being

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<v Speaker 4>in that valley so inspiring. More trees would limit that

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<v Speaker 4>visibility across the whole corridors, and I really hope that

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<v Speaker 4>we don't see too many more trees.

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<v Speaker 1>At it there.

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<v Speaker 3>The mountains are the start. You want to do everything

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<v Speaker 3>to showcase the tupe of mountains. It's such an unbelievable

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<v Speaker 3>setting for a golf course.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Yeah, So we had a great event there. It

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<v Speaker 4>was really fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Talking about next year already there'll be a second boomerang.

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<v Speaker 3>So yes, it was awesome, thanks to everybody that came out,

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<v Speaker 3>and uh it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was such a fun time.