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Speaker 4: Hello and welcome to the Frida Egg Podcast. My name

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Speaker 3: be a Saturday event and I'm really excited about that.

436
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 3: That should be a really fun one also and that

437
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 3: that will be in early June.

438
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 4: And speaking of collaborations, we I don't think we mentioned

439
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 4: the Ladies teaming up with for the Ladies at Charleston, Muni.

440
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 4: This was a recent development that we decided to partner

441
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 4: with for the ladies. Abby Libenthal's organization that's doing great

442
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 4: work getting women involved in golf.

443
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it's a they have a great organization

444
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:26,959
Speaker 3: and I think we were we really respect and you know,

445
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 3: just I think what they do and with with getting

446
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 3: women into golf, and also I think they have also

447
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 3: have a you know, a lot of women that are

448
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 3: super into golf, that play and uh, and we're excited

449
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 3: to partner up with them.

450
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,360
Speaker 4: There, all right, las Sonia. Maybe we should start by

451
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 4: talking about Langford and Moreau, the designers, the original designers

452
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 4: of Lasnia Links. Not everybody knows about Langford and Moreau.

453
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 4: Certainly they've become more visible among Golden Age architects over

454
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 4: the past few years because of the work that you've

455
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 4: done in large part, I think.

456
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: A lot of other people too, of course.

457
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you've been researching Langford and Morew and thinking

458
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 4: about Langford and Morew for a few years now. Give

459
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 4: people the rundown of who these architects are and what

460
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 4: their style was.

461
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, they worked mostly in the Midwest.

462
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 3: They kind of came to the height of their powers

463
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 3: and you'd really wonder what would have happened if the

464
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 3: Great Depression didn't happen, because when they were hitting their

465
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 3: stride was really the late Golden Age, and they're an

466
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 3: evolution of like, you know, the gold This is one

467
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 3: of the things that was the saddest thing with you know,

468
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 3: what happened to golf architecture is you had the Great

469
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 3: Depression in the World War Two, which kind of halted

470
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:47,479
Speaker 3: the evolution of architecture in America and for golf and

471
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 3: probably building architecture as well. But these architects are I

472
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 3: think if you put them on a tree, they kind

473
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 3: of evolved from Rainer and McDonald's. You know. If I've

474
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 3: seen some Langford stuff before he worked with Moreau and

475
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 3: it's pretty subdued, and then the pair when they got together,

476
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 3: I think, I I you know, and I'm not a historian,

477
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 3: so I'm not always the best with little details. But

478
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 3: Moreau was the guy that built the really wild stuff,

479
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 3: and lows Sonia is I would say probably the best kept.

480
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 3: That and Culver are the two best kept length for

481
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 3: Moreaus in terms of like if you want to go

482
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 3: see what their architecture was about, that's where you go see.

483
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 3: So you're gonna see really big, bold features they they

484
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 3: worked on a lot of great land. Lawsonia is a

485
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,719
Speaker 3: terrific piece of ground. But what they did was they built,

486
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 3: which is different than say a Perry Maxwell. And they

487
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 3: might have had beef. I kind of think that Perry

488
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 3: Maxwell and Length for Moreau.

489
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 4: Perry Maxwell might have sub tweeted them a couple of times.

490
00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: Oh totally did.

491
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 3: It's actually on is like the statue that leads up

492
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 3: to his gravesite at Dornic Hills is like the quote

493
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 3: that he's subtweeting Lank for Moreau. And this is not

494
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 3: this is not your Alistair Mackenzie Maxwell, like find it

495
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 3: in the ground. This was Golden Age maximalism. And I

496
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 3: think Golden Age maximalism is kind of what the architecture

497
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 3: we have today, where they let the natural land provide

498
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 3: most of the theatrics, but then they built features at

499
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 3: the green and at bunkers, and these are big, big features,

500
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 3: like these are features that like you just are like wow,

501
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 3: I can't believe they built that in nineteen thirty. For example,

502
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 3: the seventh hole is this famous part three at Lawsonia.

503
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 3: It's called the box car hole. It is a you know,

504
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 3: hit it or else type par three it's about a

505
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty yard shot and the green is

506
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 3: built allegedly on top of a box car that you

507
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 3: would see like a freight train car. And it's just

508
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 3: like a vertical wall in front of the green that's

509
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 3: about twenty feet up, you know, just to give you

510
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 3: an idea, and it's kind of banked into this slope.

511
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 3: So it's just lows Sonia is an amazing place. It

512
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 3: is a It's an important place for me. It's one

513
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 3: of the you know, if you said in the Midwest,

514
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 3: like best value in terms of what you get architecturally

515
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 3: and for the cost, lows Sonia is at the top

516
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 3: of any place in probably the entire country. I think

517
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 3: it is a you could make a very good argument

518
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 3: that it's the best golf course in all of Wisconsin.

519
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 3: And before somebody says, oh, well, what about Milwaukee Country Club,

520
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: Sand Valley or Whistling Straits, Like I think that, you know,

521
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 3: it's very clearly on the same tier.

522
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: I would put it above Whistling Streets.

523
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 3: It's not on the ocean, but in terms of just golf,

524
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 3: it is spectacular in a place that you need to see.

525
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 3: So Lasnia, you know, one of the things. That's a

526
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 3: shame with lang for Moreau is a lot of their

527
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 3: designs haven't been well kept. You know, a lot of

528
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 3: them were destroyed. A lot of them, you know, they're

529
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 3: really they aren't the easiest to maintain.

530
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 4: So in the there's a lot of local courses that

531
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 4: Langford Moureau did too, right. They were you know, there's

532
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 4: a lot of similarities with what Perry Maxwell did in

533
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 4: his region. Langford and Moreau did some similar stuff in

534
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 4: the Midwest where they were kind of going around in

535
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 4: the thirties in the depression building these small courses for towns,

536
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 4: and a lot of those maybe haven't been super well maintained.

537
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, But like one of the cool things is like

538
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 3: you can go see some of these courses that and

539
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 3: they're just like sitting there. They haven't been messed with

540
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 3: because they're a small town in Indiana or a small

541
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 3: town in Wisconsin, and the you know, the golf course

542
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 3: has never had money to mess it up, so you

543
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 3: know they' there's small greens and you know, the bunkers

544
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 3: aren't you know, filled in. But like you can go

545
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 3: see these places. We talked about Kanka Key Elks on

546
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 3: the Restoration podcast, like I think, like the thing anybody

547
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 3: that goes and sees Los Sonia, you you realize, God,

548
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 3: these guys were extraordinarily great, you know, at at what

549
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 3: they did. And you know, I think the thing that

550
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 3: I take away is like you play, you see Las Sonia,

551
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 3: which you know, I think we need to say is

552
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 3: like it's one of the best cup but it's still

553
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 3: got probably about thirty percent of the way to go

554
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 3: to where it would be fully maxed out in terms

555
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,959
Speaker 3: of what it is. That's how how good it is

556
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 3: for you know, being kind of not fully restored, but

557
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 3: it's a you play it for less than one hundred

558
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 3: bucks and it's uh really busy, so it's hard to

559
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 3: do restoration work in Craig Haultam and his team has

560
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 3: been doing some small stuff every year and it keeps

561
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 3: getting better. So you know, that's that's that's the thing.

562
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 3: Like you can there's a length from a road trail

563
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 3: and what I've I've got all the footage.

564
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: We've wanted to do a video about it.

565
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 4: We've been talking about this for three years.

566
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 3: And so you know, you could play five or six

567
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 3: length from a rose from Indiana up through Illinois up

568
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 3: through Wisconsin. You know, for about two hundred and twenty

569
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 3: five bucks. Now, like law Sonia is gonna be the

570
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 3: crown jewel of that. So laws Sonia, you know, one

571
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 3: of the things. The ground's really great. The back nine

572
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 3: is what kind of makes everybody's jaw drop. You turn

573
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 3: the corner on the tenth hole. The tenth hole is

574
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 3: this long part three and you when you turn the corner,

575
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 3: you just it opens up to this kind of like

576
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 3: golf land. It's just a wide open scape. It's got

577
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 3: a big roll through it, but there's just golf holes everywhere.

578
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 3: It's one of the neatest kind of low key reveals

579
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 3: that doesn't include an ocean in the world of golf.

580
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 3: The back nine spectacular, but as good as it is,

581
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 3: the front nine might be better. It kind of weaves around

582
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 3: a different side of the property and it has just

583
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 3: incredible holes too. So I it is a in terms

584
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 3: of public golf. I think it's it's one of the

585
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 3: ten to fifteen best public golf courses in America.

586
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 4: So the word that everybody uses when they go to

587
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 4: Las Sonia is bold boldness. It's become kind of a catchphrase.

588
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 4: And so I wonder if there's anything else that you

589
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 4: could say about loss Sonia that you think makes it

590
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 4: special beyond just the boldness of the shaping. You know,

591
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 4: that's something that anybody would notice. So what else about

592
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 4: the course is great?

593
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 3: I think the thing when you really look at lang

594
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 3: from a Rose, greens like they're the bold, the big like.

595
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 3: So when people are saying bold, it's the big features.

596
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 3: So you just see these greens that are pushed up.

597
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 4: It's like the external shaping on the greens offense. Yeah, like.

598
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: These bunkers, Yeah, they're huge.

599
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 3: But what makes Lang from a roaw greens are the

600
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 3: internal contours, the elegance of these beautiful greens that they

601
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 3: build that have these little waves and different slopes inside.

602
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 3: One of the things we do that I didn't mention

603
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 3: at the start is we cut different cups for morning

604
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 3: and afternoon. And it's really fun at Lawsonia to set cups,

605
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 3: so we do that. It's very intentional. We put pins

606
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 3: in places that we want to so you really understand

607
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 3: the green because you see at one spot in the morning,

608
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 3: you see it in a different spot in the afternoon.

609
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 3: It's gonna be wildly different and you're gonna play different

610
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 3: teas too. So the golf course is really going to

611
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 3: play completely different. But at Lastonia, like you know, there

612
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 3: are perfect examples, like the leveth hole, which is a

613
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 3: great part five. You know, if that pins over on

614
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 3: the right, you have this really bold, huge contour that

615
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 3: you have to You don't want to go right of it.

616
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,239
Speaker 3: You know, it's a huge slope and you're dead if

617
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 3: you're right of it. But if the pin's over on

618
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 3: the left, you think, oh, this is so much easier.

619
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 3: But anything right like, it's so hard to keep it on.

620
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 3: And there's just like little knobs and on the left

621
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 3: side of the green that kind of like make these

622
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 3: putts a little bit more challenging just than just your

623
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 3: standard downhiller.

624
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 4: So how did you come upon Lawsonia Because for a

625
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 4: while it was like a pretty well kept secret that

626
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 4: this was a great course. I mean, I think it

627
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 4: was twenty fourteen when Ron Force and Jim Nagel came

628
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 4: in and did some work on the course and maybe

629
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 4: you know, pushed it forward quite a bit from what

630
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 4: it was. But did you see the course before that?

631
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a course I had played as a kid,

632
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 3: you know, being in the Midwest, Like I had gone

633
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 3: up there with a buddy one time, like it was

634
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 3: on just like a Wisconsin you know, we just went

635
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 3: up there and played I'd seen That's how I had

636
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 3: seen Eagle Springs that way too, which is another really

637
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 3: neat course that's like an hour and a half away.

638
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 3: This a nine holeer And it.

639
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 4: Was about that one on our website and also done

640
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 4: a podcast episode about it.

641
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 3: And when we when we started, you know, when I

642
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 3: started the fried Egg, it was just a place that

643
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 3: I knew I needed to get to and do something.

644
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 3: And you know, it was something somewhere that hadn't nobody

645
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 3: ever shot it with a drone, which I think like

646
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 3: shows some of the magnificence of it. And that's I

647
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 3: think where like the the widespread, like you show pictures

648
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 3: of the place and it's just you people look at it.

649
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: It's like I had need to go see that place.

650
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: So that's you know, it was just a place.

651
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 3: That I had seen as a kid and knew I

652
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 3: needed to get back and do something on it. And uh,

653
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 3: and the same goes for like Eagle Springs too.

654
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 4: Do you remember being stunned by it when you saw it?

655
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 4: You know through your you know, adult eyes, you've seen

656
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 4: it as a kid.

657
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: Do you ever go That was.

658
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 3: Before the they had taken down all the trees on

659
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 3: the back nine, and you know the front nine Spectacus.

660
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 3: I think the more I play it, the more I

661
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 3: like the front nine. But the back nine it's just

662
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 3: it's just such an unbelievable It's really one of my

663
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 3: favorite parts of the event is when I make the

664
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 3: turn back there and you see all the people out there,

665
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 3: because it's just you see, it's like a very we

666
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 3: talk about like expansive properties that are very intimate, and

667
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 3: that's what that is. Like You're always close to people,

668
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 3: you see people, you can talk to them and everything,

669
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 3: and there's just greens gathered close to it, like you know,

670
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 3: you have the tenth Green, the thirteenth Green, and the

671
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 3: fourteenth Green also really close proximity on this ridge, but

672
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 3: then also you have the eleventh and fifteenth tee there

673
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 3: as well.

674
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: It's just it's a really special place.

675
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 3: And I think on the you know, we had done

676
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 3: a trip to Sam Valley and we've hit it on

677
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 3: the way back from Sand Valley and it was a

678
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 3: immediately I do I need to host people? That was

679
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 3: like that's always the place that I take people do

680
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 3: if they if they're come if they're in Chicago and

681
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 3: have a day and they say, I've got a day

682
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 3: to go play golf, Like that's the place I take too,

683
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 3: And it's a three hour drive, but it's so worth it.

684
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

685
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a reliable one where people play it for

686
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 4: the first time and they're like, wow, you know that.

687
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you got to see Lasonia like whether like

688
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 3: whether you're a public golfer or private golfer, Like Lasnia

689
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 3: if it was in Chicago would be right there with

690
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 3: Chicago golf shoretakers and Old Elm as the best course

691
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 3: in Chicago.

692
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I always dream about like this is

693
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: the thing.

694
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 3: It's like, this is where affordable public golf like is

695
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: a It's just a really interesting question is like would

696
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 3: it be better if it was fully restored and two

697
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty dollars a person or is it better

698
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 3: seventy percent of what it could be and one hundred

699
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 3: dollars per person?

700
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I guess the idealist in me says

701
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 4: that you don't have to necessarily have that trade off,

702
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 4: right you could, Yeah, you could have the fully restored thing.

703
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 3: Hard, it's hard because like you have to kind of

704
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 3: shut down and yeah, it's like you don't have dues,

705
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 3: you don't have the dues paying.

706
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: It's just it's hard.

707
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 3: It's a harder proposition, and then you could do it

708
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 3: the way they've been doing it is just small little

709
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 3: things every year.

710
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think that that's the thing to highlight though,

711
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 4: is that they have done work on the course to

712
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 4: make it better and have made it substantially better and

713
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 4: have still maintained in a pretty affordable rate. I mean

714
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 4: for a getaway place where you can where you can

715
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 4: kind of get away from the city go play a

716
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 4: day of golf, this is an affordable option for that area,

717
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 4: and they've made the course better in the past ten years.

718
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 4: You know, we run into these discussions all the time.

719
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 4: That recently we had a discussion with some folks from

720
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 4: Cleveland about Sleepy Hollow and Manikiki there. These are really

721
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 4: really good municipal courses that could be a lot better

722
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 4: if they just did a little bit. And the concern

723
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 4: that we heard, well, first of all, a lot of

724
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 4: Clevelanders were saying, yeah, these courses could use some work.

725
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 4: There were though, who were saying, we can't do this

726
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 4: you know, we've got to maintain affordability at these facilities.

727
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 4: They're really good, right now, let's just leave them alone. No,

728
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 4: you can do little things each year that make the

729
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 4: golf course better. You don't have to shut down necessarily,

730
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 4: you don't have to spend millions and millions of dollars.

731
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 4: But there are some simple things that just make all

732
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 4: the difference in the world. And I think that Lawsnia

733
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 4: is an example of that.

734
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's wonderful. Every year they do a

735
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 3: little extra, a little something new, and it's, you know,

736
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 3: one of my favorite places to go every year.

737
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 4: All right, So let's get to some discussions of the

738
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 4: other courses where sign ups are opening. So I've actually

739
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 4: checked in with Will Knights. We should give a shout

740
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 4: out to Will Knights because he is a major force

741
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 4: behind making these events run smoothly. He does a ton

742
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 4: of work behind the scenes, and so thank you Will.

743
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 4: I just asked him on like, when are we opening

744
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 4: sign ups for Dornic Hills and he says February seventh,

745
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 4: so that one is not among the sign ups that

746
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 4: are opening on January third. So coming up here for

747
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 4: the rest of the episode, we have a clip of

748
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 4: Troy Miller talking about Charleston Muni and Troy Miller is

749
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 4: the Charleston based architect who did the recent work on

750
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 4: Charleston Muni kind of Rayner inspired shaping and whole concepts,

751
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 4: and he tells the story of that, and then we

752
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 4: have a clip of me and you Andy talking about

753
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 4: Soul Park. These were both episodes that we released earlier

754
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 4: this year. You might might have caught them at the time,

755
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 4: and so that's what's coming up for the rest of

756
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 4: this episode.

757
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 2: And so really the idea Charleston Municipal was being a

758
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty nine golf course being built at the same

759
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 2: time as Jamen's Hall and the country club, and being

760
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 2: able to see if you squint it a little bit,

761
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 2: you could see some of those classic features of a

762
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: rain Or design. And so it really kind of fell

763
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 2: to the bottom line of saying, let's really enhance this

764
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 2: and give an experience that the general public just doesn't

765
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 2: have otherwise when it comes to this style of architecture.

766
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: And so it was something that I felt like if

767
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: we did and we did it right, and we really

768
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 2: enhance the features that you would see on a rain

769
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: Or McDonald golf course, it would bring people that were

770
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: visiting the city to experience golf in the city. And

771
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 2: we're talking five minutes from downtown Charleston, and so this

772
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: does really open up that opportunity. And what that does

773
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 2: even more so is it allows the general public of

774
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: the locals to continue to have a municipal golf course

775
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 2: that they can be very proud of that they can

776
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 2: play for a very low rate and be subsidized by

777
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 2: guest play at a slightly higher rate, which is still

778
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,439
Speaker 2: below market for a public daily fee in Charleston. And

779
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: that substance, he should allow the golf course to stay

780
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: in the kind of shape it needs to stay in

781
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 2: and should allow for it to continue to really get enhanced.

782
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, with your project, I think obviously so many people

783
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 3: go to their local muni whether you know, there's so

784
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 3: many in urban areas, and they dream about the ability

785
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 3: to be able to reimagine the golf course and update

786
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 3: it and give it, put a little you know, TLC

787
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 3: into it. Talk about the process of going through that

788
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 3: and getting it through the city. Where did it start,

789
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 3: how did it come about, and how did it get

790
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 3: to where it is today with the finished product?

791
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah, so one of the things that it definitely

792
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: takes is is a lot of passion from the people involved,

793
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: from the people in leadership, And dating back to really

794
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, was the first conversation that I had with

795
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 2: the mayor who basically said, hey, I want to do

796
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 2: something about Charleston Muni. And I said, okay, well, let

797
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: me take a look at this. And I went at

798
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 2: that point and started drawing conceptual plans and came back

799
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 2: not only with a conceptual plan but also a pro

800
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 2: forma as to why it made sense for the city

801
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 2: and how it was going to create a return for

802
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 2: the city. And so at that point we came back

803
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 2: and decided to go ahead and put together a five

804
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: ZHO one C three of the friends of the Muni

805
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 2: that would be part of that charitable arm that would

806
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 2: gain us some of that fundraising arm. So the way

807
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 2: that the project was originally intended was to basically have

808
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 2: two thirds of the money come from the city and

809
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: a third of the money come privately raised, and we've

810
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: pretty much achieved that throughout the course of the last

811
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 2: few years. The funding mechanism took several years because it

812
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 2: had to go through a bond referendum, that was part

813
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 2: of another recreation bond. And then the process itself is

814
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 2: heavily scrutinized because it's a city project that has to

815
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: go through city capital projects, and so the process is

816
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: not that of a typical private development, and so it

817
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 2: does take some effort and it takes some time. But

818
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: I think if you get the right people involved, and

819
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 2: really it's about the passion. And there were so many

820
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 2: people in Charleston that just loved that place. And my

821
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 2: family history dates back to the thirties there. My grandfather

822
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 2: caddied there, My father's first jobbing golf was there in

823
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 2: the late sixties, his first job as a professional, and

824
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 2: so there were so many people along the way that

825
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 2: just said, we care deeply about it, how can we help,

826
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: how can we make this happen. Then it wasn't just monetarily,

827
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 2: but it was also some political pressure that really got

828
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 2: the project going.

829
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 3: With regards to the pro forma creating, you know, showing

830
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 3: the value, because I think this is where so many

831
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 3: people like, how did you go about presenting the case

832
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 3: that hey, if we do this, you know, this is

833
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 3: going to go from something that loses money for the

834
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 3: city to something that's going to be something that brings

835
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 3: in revenue for the city.

836
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the biggest thing there is really looking at

837
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 2: what is the market rate for a non resident to

838
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 2: come play golf, and at the top top end of that,

839
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 2: when it comes to municipal golf courses, you've got place

840
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 2: like Tory Pines and Bethpage Black And while we're never

841
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 2: trying to achieve those levels, what it showed us was, hey,

842
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: we've got market rate to come play golf as a

843
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 2: visitor to Charleston. We've got a lot of room for

844
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 2: growth there. And so that was really the biggest change

845
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: in the revenue line of being able to say, hey,

846
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,760
Speaker 2: we can go achieve ten thousand rounds. We do sixty

847
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: thousand rounds a year on MUNI and so if ten

848
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 2: thousand of those were out of town play at a

849
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 2: slightly higher rate, all of a sudden, that's going to

850
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 2: subsidize this thing, allow us to spend the money we

851
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 2: need to from a maintenance perspective to keep it up

852
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: and not create any kind of problems in terms of

853
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: accessibility for all of the local residents.

854
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 3: And I think this is where this project's a little

855
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 3: bit different than a lot of product you see munis

856
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 3: go down this road where they put money into their

857
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 3: golf course, but oftentimes it's money where they're putting a

858
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 3: lot of money in, but they aren't getting a drastically

859
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 3: different product from what they had. How did you play

860
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 3: the architecture into this? And I imagine, you know, just

861
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 3: thinking common sensely that had a lot to do to say,

862
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 3: this is how we attract money. Yes, you know, how

863
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 3: we attract out of town money is with this right.

864
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, I think that the whole idea, and we've

865
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 2: taught a lot. Charleston is a very historic town and

866
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: we've got a role to play in the history of

867
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: the history of America and the history of golf and

868
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: the history of the Golden Age and Rayner McDonald's style architecture.

869
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: What Rainer did in this town, you know, is such

870
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 2: a great, great example of his work and exactly how

871
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: and it's why it fits so well in the low country,

872
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 2: the ability to really enhance the features of the golf

873
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: course on relatively flat property. And so the idea when

874
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 2: it was pitched was really about listen, we're a historic town,

875
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: We're a sophisticated town. We deserve a historic, sophisticated golf

876
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 2: course to call our own. And so when we really

877
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,240
Speaker 2: dug down into it and started talking about the history

878
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 2: of Rayner and the experience in the low Country, it

879
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: was an easy pitch to get people behind the idea

880
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 2: of bringing these template holes to the table and really

881
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 2: trying to create that experiences for the public daily fee player.

882
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think obviously they're getting a drastically different

883
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 3: experience than what they had. Talk about how much of

884
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 3: the how much new stuff is out there, what are

885
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 3: the biggest, let's say, defining characteristics of beauty today versus

886
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 3: what was Yeah.

887
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 2: Sure, So the Greens themselves were all completely rebuilt and

888
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: are roughly about fifty percent bigger, fifty to sixty percent

889
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 2: bigger than they were before, much bolder contouring and essentially,

890
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 2: and like I said, because that golf course was built

891
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 2: in the twenties and we had that, you know, we

892
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 2: had that influence. It wasn't a rainer, as many people

893
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 2: might have said over the course of the years. But

894
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,720
Speaker 2: in nineteen twenty nine, a lot of the same laborers

895
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: that built the country Club and built Yaman's Hall were

896
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 2: going there. And these were the only two examples of

897
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 2: golf in Charleston. So you know, they'd go across town,

898
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 2: take a look and say, okay, let's go build that.

899
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 2: And it was a bad game of telephone is what

900
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 2: it became. But you still got a lot of the

901
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 2: same features. And so there was a lot of those

902
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: big rectangular pads that were there that we were able

903
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: to take these you know, satellite dish greens that had

904
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 2: just atrophied over the years and expand them back out

905
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 2: into those corners and then accelerate just by sharpening the

906
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 2: edges a little bit, elevating really no more than six

907
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 2: inches to a foot in most green complexes, but creating

908
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 2: some bolder contours. And one of the great things about

909
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 2: working on a municipal golf course where you know that

910
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 2: the limits are never going to be pushed from terms

911
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 2: of green speed, was the freedom of being able to

912
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 2: create some bold contouring in the greens. I can tell you,

913
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 2: you know, opening day, those greens were running nine and

914
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 2: a half and I was listening to people walk off

915
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 2: that golf course saying, they can't keep these greens at

916
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 2: twelve like this, it's just going to be too much.

917
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 2: And so it's really good to create some perceived green

918
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 2: speed rather than actual green speed. Because it takes a

919
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 2: lot of pressure off of your maintenance, you know, in

920
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 2: terms of the architecture. And I lost my train of thought. Andy,

921
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: tell me what was your question?

922
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: Can't remember either.

923
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 3: You know, I don't even remember, but you know what

924
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 3: you know.

925
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 1: So let's you talked about the defining features.

926
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 2: They're defining features. So let me say first, so there's

927
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 2: there's twelve template holes out there. There's eleven at the

928
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 2: Country Club of Charleston, and then there's thirteen at Yamon's Hall.

929
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 2: And of those templates, I think the ones that will

930
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: stand out the most of people, and where the biggest

931
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: physical change to the property came was the corner of

932
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: the golf course. That's eleven, twelve, thirteen and fourteen. At

933
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 2: that point you kind of leave kind of the parkland

934
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 2: style of the golf course, crossed the road and head

935
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 2: down towards the river into something that feels much more lynxy,

936
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, now you've got your playing

937
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 2: redan cape, road and short in that order. And so

938
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 2: I think having that corner of the golf course with

939
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 2: those very recognizable template holes and the views that were

940
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 2: created simply by we we eliminated about two and a

941
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 2: half acres of new growth forests that was kind of

942
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 2: blocking the view of the river, and in its place

943
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 2: we dug a rether large lake that's in between golf holes,

944
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 2: primarily for storm water and also to create generate the

945
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 2: material to elevate some of these holes that were sitting

946
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,919
Speaker 2: in the floodplain. So there was a lot of functionality

947
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 2: to what we did, and then the architecture just became

948
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 2: the fun part.

949
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and obviously talk about the functionality. I think I

950
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 3: visited it was probably a perfect day to visit because

951
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 3: I saw, you know, all of all of the existing

952
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 3: courses and original courses issues, and I think that's beyond

953
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 3: you know, the increase in design. Talk about just the

954
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 3: functional design things that you did to make it a

955
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 3: better golf course day and day.

956
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 2: Sure, so drainage obviously being in a low country and

957
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 2: being at a very low elevation as Immuni is, you know,

958
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 2: the biggest thing that we did was create better drainage

959
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 2: and elevated some of those holes that were along the

960
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 2: flood in the floodplain along the river. Some holes were

961
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 2: elevated as much as five to seven feet from where

962
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 2: they were before, others just six to twelve inches is

963
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 2: all it really took. But you mentioned, you know, you

964
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 2: came on a day when we had a king tide,

965
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 2: which is basically a seven and a half or eight

966
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 2: foot tide, And I can remember being out there days

967
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 2: and watching the tide come in across the fifteenth fairway

968
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 2: and literally reach the far end of the fairway and

969
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 2: just thinking, my god, how are we going to do this?

970
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 2: And the way we were able to do it was

971
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 2: actually by creating digging out a pond, creating a better

972
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 2: dyke system that had been there, and just elevating that

973
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 2: to kind of combat what is these rising tide levels

974
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 2: that we're seeing in the low country and all of

975
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 2: a sudden, now what we have as a firm and

976
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 2: fast golf course that should stay that way, that's got

977
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 2: the appropriate drainage. And a big thing in Charleston too,

978
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,919
Speaker 2: is we talk about living with water because you ain't

979
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: gonna get rid of it. We're we're at sea level

980
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 2: and it's not going anywhere. And so the biggest part

981
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 2: of it was moving the water out of the areas

982
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 2: of play, getting it off to the edges, into ditches,

983
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 2: into new ponds, things that didn't come into play and

984
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: didn't become more penal in terms of the design and

985
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 2: the way the golf course plays, but functionality wise, provide

986
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 2: a place for the water to get off to so

987
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,959
Speaker 2: that you can keep those fairways in those center lines firm.

988
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think anybody that's worked or has intimate knowledge about,

989
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: you know, working in a municipal project or just any

990
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: project in general, worst of the biggest challenges of the

991
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: project over the course of the of the year and

992
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: a half.

993
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 3: You know.

994
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 2: I think that certainly working in a municipal setting, in

995
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 2: a government setting, there there's always there's always a maybe

996
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 2: not the sense of urgency that you know that you

997
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 2: need to have as a golf course builder and as

998
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 2: a golf course architect, knowing, hey that the clock's ticking,

999
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 2: we got to grow in to hit. I can't wait

1000
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 2: for your seventh person to sign off on this so

1001
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 2: that I can get pipe in the ground, so that

1002
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: I can plant grass. Trying to educate people on that

1003
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 2: perspective and kind of with that that mentality is a

1004
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: tough thing, and so I think that's part of the

1005
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 2: reason why a lot of these municipal projects don't get

1006
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 2: done in this kind of unique manner where true was

1007
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 2: a city led project. I think the vast majority of

1008
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,760
Speaker 2: what we've seen with these municipal projects around the country

1009
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 2: recently have been the takeovers where you get a foundation

1010
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 2: that comes in and says, hey, we're going to take it.

1011
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 2: We're just gonna lease it from you. You guys are

1012
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 2: completely hands off. And honestly, I'm kind of proud of

1013
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 2: the fact that that's not one of these. I think

1014
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 2: that the fact that the city is going to still

1015
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 2: run it, that it is still the city is wholly in,

1016
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 2: one hundred percent, and it's something for them to be

1017
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 2: proud of. We have got a great park system in

1018
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 2: the city of Charleston, and this should be the crowning

1019
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 2: jewel of that. And so, you know, I'm actually quite

1020
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 2: pleased that we didn't have to go to the level

1021
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 2: of privatizing to get action.

1022
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 3: Do you think also with that there's an enhanced sense

1023
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 3: of pride, not just with you know, the city as

1024
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 3: a whole, all the way down through the maintenance steam

1025
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 3: that worked on the project, Like, do you think that

1026
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 3: is going to lead to where we maybe see less

1027
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 3: atrophy you know on the golf course in the future.

1028
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 3: You know what that sad tale that so many municipalities

1029
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 3: see is where green shrink fairway shrink. Do you think

1030
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 3: because you know the city went through it with you

1031
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 3: and your team, that you'll see a longer lasting product

1032
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 3: than typically.

1033
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,439
Speaker 2: I sure hope. So I think that there's so many

1034
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 2: people who care deeply about it, and a lot of

1035
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 2: those people are the people who are working there and

1036
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 2: that have been there for decades in some cases, And

1037
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 2: so I really do think that'll be the case in

1038
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 2: the community involvement on this project as well. I mean,

1039
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 2: we had volunteer days, We had volunteers planting the landscaping

1040
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 2: on that on a beautiful November day, And to hear

1041
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 2: guys now going out there and playing and say, hey,

1042
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 2: I planted that dogwood. You know, I think that there

1043
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 2: is a sense of pride that comes with it that

1044
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 2: I hope will translate into better course care, that will

1045
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 2: translate into long term conditioning and a sense of pride

1046
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 2: that I hope everybody in Charleston can happen.

1047
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 4: And I guess you know, the way we should start

1048
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 4: is is just at the beginning with the boomerang with

1049
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 4: soul Park golf course. We haven't talked about soul Park

1050
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 4: on the podcast yet I don't.

1051
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 3: Think right, it's such a wonderful place. I yeah, I

1052
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 3: had like all this anxiety. You know, you see a

1053
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 3: place one time and you've been there so many times,

1054
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 3: you grew up playing there, but you see a place

1055
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 3: and I had the same feeling about Losnia, you know,

1056
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 3: before we hosted the steam shovel its like you get

1057
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,720
Speaker 3: this anxiety. It's like, well, I really love the place,

1058
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,240
Speaker 3: but like, is everybody else really going to love the place?

1059
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 3: You know when you're when you hosted an event and

1060
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 3: you get I got back there immediately, I was like, oh, yeah,

1061
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 3: this place is so good. It is such a fun place.

1062
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 3: It's just unbelievable setting there in Ojai, California and the mountains.

1063
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 3: I don't want to tell too many people about Hi

1064
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 3: because you know, I want to be a future resident

1065
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 3: of Ohi, so I don't need everybody driving up real

1066
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 3: estate prices there.

1067
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 4: But I'm pretty sure the real estate prices have already

1068
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 4: gotten out of control there.

1069
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: But Soul Park is so cool.

1070
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 3: You have much more experience with it the v you

1071
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 3: grew up in the general area. You've played the golf

1072
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 3: course before Gilhan's renovated it in the early two thousands.

1073
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 3: Tell us a little bit about the transformation.

1074
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, So Soul Park was built in nineteen sixty

1075
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 4: two by William F.

1076
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: Bell.

1077
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 4: Right, so you know Southern California golf course architecture one

1078
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 4: oh one is distinguishing between the two Bells.

1079
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: Yeah what F stand for? Do you know what the

1080
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 1: F stand?

1081
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 4: I don't actually even know. Maybe Francis, probably Francis. I

1082
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 4: really have no idea. Maybe Frederick. But William F. Bell

1083
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 4: is the son of William P.

1084
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 1: Bell.

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Speaker 4: William P. Bell is often referred to as Billy Bell

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Speaker 4: Senior and Billy Bell Senior worked with George Thomas on

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00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 4: a number of really well known Southern California golf courses.

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00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 4: In fact, the George Thomas Southern California golf courses that

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00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 4: you've heard of, Riviera, lacc North, Billy Bell William P.

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Speaker 4: Bell worked on those as well and was kind of

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Speaker 4: the master bunker shaper.

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Speaker 3: I also believe that Billy Bell William P. Bell was

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00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 3: an integral in aw tilling House design of San Francisco

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Speaker 3: Golf Club. So another place with that is lauded for

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00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 3: their bunkers.

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Speaker 4: And if you have experience at Billy Bell designs in

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Speaker 4: southern California. You go to San Francisco and you're like, hey, man,

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Speaker 4: these don't look like tilling House bunkers. These look like,

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Speaker 4: you know, sort of classic California Billy Bell bunkers. In

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Speaker 4: any case, you know, Billy Bell's a really well regarded

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00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 4: regional architect. William F. Bell is his son. And you know,

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Speaker 4: to be honest, you know, I've played a lot of

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Speaker 4: William F. Bell courses. They're all over southern California. Not

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00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 4: all of them are super remarked. I think he was

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Speaker 4: a good router of golf courses, but I'm not going

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Speaker 4: to make any great claims about his abilities as a

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Speaker 4: strategic architect. But in any case, he designed Soul Park

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Speaker 4: Golf Course as a municipal course for Vintura County in Ohi,

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00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 4: California in nineteen sixty two, and that was the first

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Speaker 4: version of the course that I played. I played it

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Speaker 4: for the first time in the nineties. My dad and

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00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 4: I played it a bunch. Even then, I thought this

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00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 4: was a pretty special place just because of its location,

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00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 4: a beautiful valley in Ohi, and in the mornings and

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00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 4: evenings there's just really an indescribable kind of peaceful loveliness

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Speaker 4: to being in that valley. Well. In any case, soul

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00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 4: Park got ravaged by a flood in two thousand and five.

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Speaker 4: Like much of the Central Coast, it really got nailed

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Speaker 4: by this flood. Significant parts of the golf course were destroyed.

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Speaker 4: It was in limbo for a little bit. There was

1121
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Speaker 4: some doubt as to whether the course would serve. But

1122
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 4: the right kind of manager of a renovation came along

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Speaker 4: and Craig Price, who had.

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Speaker 1: Been also Rustic Canyon.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know, he decided to sort of take

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Speaker 4: over the lease for a time and he headed up

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Speaker 4: the renovation. And who did he call but Gil Hanson

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Speaker 4: Jim Wagner who had designed Rustic Canyon alongside Jeff Shackelford

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Speaker 4: a few years before. And Gil Hanson Jim Wagner were

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Speaker 4: well known as good architects at the time, but they

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00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 4: didn't have nearly the stature that they have now. Right

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Speaker 4: this is pre Olympic Course, pre a.

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Speaker 3: Lot of the big name restoration work that you know

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Speaker 3: now they're known for as much, if not more than

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Speaker 3: their original designs, which they have a number of outstanding

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Speaker 3: riginal designs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So they came in and they did a renovation

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00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 4: of Seul Park really more or less kept the same routing,

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Speaker 4: but in every other sense transformed the course. And they

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Speaker 4: did their work for about three point two million dollars.

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Speaker 3: So that's an important number to keep in mind for

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Speaker 3: discussion later in this podcast about.

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Speaker 4: We're going to quote some higher numbers for Tory Pines.

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Speaker 4: But you know, even after that renovation, it struggled for

1145
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 4: a while. You know, it had a series of managers

1146
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 4: who maybe didn't prioritize the golf course. But in twenty seventeen,

1147
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 4: Keith Brown came in took over the lease of the

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Speaker 4: golf course, and really ever since then, Saul Park has

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Speaker 4: been ascending and visiting the course now during our event

1150
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 4: and seeing the club, the members of the club, many

1151
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 4: of whom were at our event, how much they love

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Speaker 4: the place, how good of a time they have there.

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01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 4: The culture of that course is so lively now and

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Speaker 4: it's just wonderful to see.

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Speaker 3: I think it starts with the staff too, and I

1156
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:54,919
Speaker 3: think that's one of the things, is like it's such

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Speaker 3: a welcoming, open place where you know, they have all

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Speaker 3: types of golfers. You can bring your dog out there.

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Speaker 3: Their dog friendly and really it's such a diversion from

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Speaker 3: what I guess you could kind of put this in

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Speaker 3: the municipal golf buckets, but it's a lease. Keith Brown

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01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 3: manages it on a lease from the city, from the county,

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Speaker 3: from the county, so it's you know, quasi municipal golf.

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Speaker 3: But like it's such a diversion from what you see

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Speaker 3: at so many other municipal facilities that are very unwelcoming,

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Speaker 3: like you try and bring your dog out there, or

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Speaker 3: you try, and you know, they just look for ways

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Speaker 3: to turn golfers away almost and you know that's really

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01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 3: most of the municipal golf around me is that way.

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Speaker 3: It's just unbelievable how hard some places make it for

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Speaker 3: you to go out and enjoy the day and enjoy

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Speaker 3: the golf course. And I think that's the thing that

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Speaker 3: they've done so well, is they make it so easy

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Speaker 3: for people to enjoy their time there, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's something that's been very intentional on the

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Speaker 4: part of Keith Brown. When he came in there, the

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Speaker 4: vibe of the course was more like, here are a

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Speaker 4: set of rules. Make sure you follow these rules. There

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Speaker 4: are signs up everywhere that said, you know, youve got

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Speaker 4: address a certain way. Don't go here, don't go there.

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Speaker 4: And Keith was really you know, he knew what he

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Speaker 4: was doing in stripping a lot of that away, and

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Speaker 4: he says like, I don't care if you come out

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Speaker 4: and play in flip flops. I don't care.

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Speaker 3: Well, the biggest, the biggest evidence is how the people

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Speaker 3: that play the golf course has changed and how Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they have a large contingent of people that drive an

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Speaker 3: hour and a half from Los Angeles up there to

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Speaker 3: play golf.

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Speaker 4: Like it's a younger crowd too, yeah, right that for

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Speaker 4: decades that course has been dominated by the Senior Men's

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01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 4: Club and you know, no shade on the Senior Men's Club,

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Speaker 4: but that has been shaken up recently and there is

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Speaker 4: a younger crowd out there right now.

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Speaker 3: And I think this is it's just a beyond just

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Speaker 3: the golf course, like, and we haven't even talked about

1197
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Speaker 3: the design of the course and what that's done. This

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Speaker 3: is just strictly a culture thing in a attitude towards

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Speaker 3: providing a welcoming atmosphere that's done so much of the

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Speaker 3: legwork on this and that's where you know, so many

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01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 3: facilities need to look at themselves in the mirror and say,

1202
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 3: is golf the issue or are we the issue? And

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01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 3: I think this is a facility that proves like there's

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01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 3: plenty of golfers in you know, they're drawing from an

1205
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 3: hour and a half away. You know, there's plenty of

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01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 3: golfers within your most cases metro area that you can

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Speaker 3: make this work if you provide a great place to

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01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 3: hang out. That's really what it is. Is like, if

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01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 3: I'm going to spend five hours somewhere, there aren't many

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01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 3: places public or private that I'd rather spend five hours

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01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 3: at than Seoul Park with those mountains and just the

1212
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 3: general attitude at the golf course of being so laid

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01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 3: back and welcoming.

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Speaker 4: And the food and the drink and the way the

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01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 4: manner in which it's provided. You know, you mentioned the

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01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 4: staff earlier. Keith has really hired some great people and

1217
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:55,959
Speaker 4: they contribute to the culture of the place as well.

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01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 4: But there is a reason that people are driving an

1219
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 4: hour and a half to come up to this golf course.

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Speaker 4: And it's not just because there's a cool social vibe there.

1221
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 4: It is because this is a fantastic golf course. What

1222
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 4: were the things that kind of struck you on the

1223
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 4: second visit to the course that maybe you didn't notice

1224
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 4: the first time through the thing.

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01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 3: The greens are just so fantastic the property in general,

1226
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 3: Like what's amazing about is the setting around the mountains.

1227
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,479
Speaker 3: I don't think there's too much you know, movement. There's

1228
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 3: no wild movement like you might see it, say, Lawsonia's

1229
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 3: got some great movement and great greens, but this place

1230
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 3: just has some really creative greens. And just how how

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01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 3: dynamic the holes are in the in the case of

1232
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 3: when you change the pin, how much the ideal place

1233
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 3: is to be shift. You know, you're able to put

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01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 3: it over a bunker with a with a hard slope

1235
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 3: away and you know, I myself hit it into a

1236
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 3: place where you know I'm looking at It was the

1237
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 3: second hole we had the pin kind of up front left.

1238
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 3: It's over a bunker with a very severe slope on

1239
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 3: the back side of the bunker and everything in the

1240
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 3: green running way. Of course, I hit it just into

1241
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 3: the left rough off the tee, and I remembered I

1242
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 3: was sitting there with a wedge thinking to myself, God,

1243
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 3: I don't know if I can get this close. I

1244
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 3: hit a great great shot, and I ended up like

1245
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 3: eighteen feet away, yeah, and I was like that that's

1246
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 3: about as probably close as I could get. But if

1247
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:24,919
Speaker 3: I had taken on the bunkers gone up the right,

1248
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:26,959
Speaker 3: I would have had a chance to hit it really

1249
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 3: close because everything would have been working for me. And

1250
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 3: I think that's the probably the most memorable aspect of

1251
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 3: Seoul Park is just how the greens allow it to

1252
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 3: be so dynamic day to day.

1253
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 4: You almost can't believe how wild some of these greens are.

1254
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you just almost can't believe that these existed

1255
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 4: a municipal course, and just the fact that they've survived

1256
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 4: since two thousand and five, when there have been members

1257
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 4: of that course who have objected to certain elements of

1258
01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 4: Hansen Wagner's renovation. You know, I'm just really grateful that

1259
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 4: those greens are still there.

1260
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 3: You can set that golf course up so tough because

1261
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 3: of the greens, and then you can also because of

1262
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 3: the greens, you can set it up so easy. There's

1263
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 3: great repelling pins and gathering pins on almost every green exactly.

1264
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's that's Soule Park. I would say that, like,

1265
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 4: the Soul Park story is not over yet. You know,

1266
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 4: I would like to see not too many changes to

1267
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 4: that golf course. I'd like to see some of the

1268
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 4: elements that were there in two thousand and five when

1269
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 4: Hanson Wagner redid the course to be brought back. And

1270
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 4: you know, there are just a few subtleties that have

1271
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 4: been lost since then, nothing major, And I'd really like

1272
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 4: to see not too many more trees add it. Yeah,

1273
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 4: we did see some new tree plantings out there, and

1274
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 4: I have to just say that my opinion is that

1275
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 4: it's fine in terms of trees as it is. There

1276
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 4: are some beautiful specimen trees out there, some beautiful, you know,

1277
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 4: distinctive Southern California species. The holes don't need to be

1278
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 4: framed anymore than they currently are. There doesn't need to

1279
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 4: be much tree removal. But by the same token, I

1280
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 4: don't think there needs to be any more tree addition.

1281
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 4: You know, there's much better views across the golf course

1282
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 4: now than there were in the nineteen nineties, and that's

1283
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 4: one of the great things about the current version of

1284
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 4: the courses that you can really see across several holes

1285
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:32,439
Speaker 4: at a time, and that's part of what makes being

1286
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 4: in that valley so inspiring. More trees would limit that

1287
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 4: visibility across the whole corridors, and I really hope that

1288
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 4: we don't see too many more trees.

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Speaker 1: At it there.

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01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 3: The mountains are the start. You want to do everything

1291
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 3: to showcase the tupe of mountains. It's such an unbelievable

1292
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 3: setting for a golf course.

1293
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, So we had a great event there. It

1294
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 4: was really fun.

1295
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 3: Talking about next year already there'll be a second boomerang.

1296
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 3: So yes, it was awesome, thanks to everybody that came out,

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Speaker 3: and uh it was.

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Speaker 1: It was such a fun time.