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Speaker 3: Good morning, everybody, and welcome to Counterpoints. Ryan. How are

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Speaker 3: you doing. You're in the studio making me look bad?

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Speaker 4: Well, I didn't read the memo, so here I am

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Speaker 4: in the studio and making sure everything is locked down

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Speaker 4: officially next week. Got some crew in here too, so

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Speaker 4: we're in good shape.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for checking in on things.

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Speaker 5: But it's a great shot actually, and you still have

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Speaker 5: the winter monitors behind you, so it really works out well.

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Speaker 5: big packed show for everyone today. We're going to be

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Speaker 5: starting with the tragic wildfire that broke out in Palisades

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Speaker 5: yesterday outside of Los Angeles. Then Donald Trump held a

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Speaker 5: wild press conference. Will break down all of the key

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Speaker 5: elements from it for you. Mark Zuckerberg obviously, as Crystal

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Speaker 5: ow Ands Sager covered yesterday, changed the free speech policy

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Speaker 5: because it's been very, very interesting. Kevin O'Leary is poised

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Speaker 5: a very high stakes game. Congestion pricing has gone into

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Speaker 5: on it, Ryan, The reactions have been fascinating to watch,

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Speaker 5: and Ryan, we're also going to do updates from Gaza.

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Speaker 5: This is something that Donald Trump touched on at his

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Speaker 5: press conference, and there's a lot more going on with

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it might not be in this show that

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Speaker 4: joined by Ahmed Khan again. If you may remember, a

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Speaker 5: I do want to share one video of two men

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the mystery falls.

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Speaker 5: What I think is especially horrifying about that video is

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Speaker 3: Just like a horror movie. I mean, it really looks

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Speaker 4: And it's unlike, unlike a lot of things, that's not

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Speaker 5: And so La Mayor Karen Bass is actually not in

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Speaker 5: And you know that for Karen Bass is going to

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Speaker 5: A lot of people wondering understand, wondering, uh, this is

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Speaker 8: All right.

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump met with a media for over an hour

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Speaker 5: I'm a bit news this was, by the way, this

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Speaker 7: They should be a state.

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Speaker 9: That's why I told Trudeau when he came down, I said,

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Speaker 4: Love it, right, I.

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Speaker 3: Always love it when he says not.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I love that. He just talks about Canada

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Speaker 4: But we'll talk more about Canada because this is fun.

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Speaker 5: He's been in Greenland for the last couple of days

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Speaker 6: D citing actions to draw plans and could you elaborate it.

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Speaker 9: People really don't even know if Denmark has an illegal

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Speaker 5: Clip entirely in favor, but the rights trolling of Canada

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Speaker 4: But the but capital isn't circulating in US dollars anymore

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Speaker 5: People hate when we talk about Canada. They're really gonna hate.

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Speaker 5: Edition in terms of, like we like natural resources shipping,

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Speaker 5: It's obviously very timely because of Jimmy Carter's funeral. And

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Speaker 4: In kind of laughing.

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Speaker 9: ring that covers a lot of territory.

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Speaker 7: The Gulf of America.

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Speaker 9: What a beautiful name, and it's appropriate, it's appropriate, and

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Speaker 9: Mexico has to stop allowing millions of people to pour

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Speaker 9: into our and.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, that that that goes along with his kind

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Speaker 4: of Trumpian Monroe doctrine where you know, he, like you said,

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Speaker 4: he talked about how look, hey, we built the Panama Canal.

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Speaker 4: We built it for us basically, but let let Panama

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Speaker 4: take care of it. Now we've turned it over to

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Speaker 4: the Chinese, and that's outrageous. You know, I do think

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Speaker 4: from an American perspective, like the dominant power having influence,

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Speaker 4: you know, having the dominant influence in its sphere seems reasonable. Uh.

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Speaker 4: It seems also kind of hypocritical for us to then

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Speaker 4: tell China that, you know, they ought to have, you know,

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Speaker 4: no influence on on their side of the world. You

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Speaker 4: know that that that we're going to completely control this

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Speaker 4: and also we're going to completely control everything around China

455
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Speaker 4: as well. Like you can imagine from China like wait

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Speaker 4: a minute, okay, fine, Panama Canal, you want that thing back,

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Speaker 4: all right? Whatever? It's tiny, It's like you like, you know,

458
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Speaker 4: the big ships can't fit through it anymore. You need

459
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Speaker 4: to do a lot of upgrades on it. But then

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Speaker 4: get off our back about Chinese influence over in Asia.

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Speaker 5: So the conversation Crystal and Soccer had yesterday about Trudeau

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Speaker 5: as the kind of symbol of the neoliberal arc over

463
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Speaker 5: the last ten years and that sort of winding down

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Speaker 5: as Trudeau is the beacon of the like new neoliberal

465
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Speaker 5: future and then is kind of unraveling as Donald Trump

466
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Speaker 5: comes back into office and has been selected by voters

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Speaker 5: again is interesting. And in the context of what you're

468
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Speaker 5: just saying, cold war Western politics where this like soft

469
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Speaker 5: imperialism or this like apologetic imperialism, where you have people

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Speaker 5: like Jimmy Carter negotiating the return of the Panama Canal to.

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Speaker 4: Panama RD four in the press conference right right.

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Speaker 5: While waging a Cold war and doing it, you know,

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Speaker 5: in different ways that I think are arguably very imperialists.

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Speaker 5: And you and I would definitely agree on that. And

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Speaker 5: so what Trump, I think Trump is like just shifting that.

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Speaker 5: It's like that is who knows. I mean, you go

477
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Speaker 5: from Carter to Reagan and things flip back and forth.

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Speaker 5: But Trump seems like he's ushering in this new era

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Speaker 5: of just like brash imperialism or return to brash imperialism,

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Speaker 5: which is like, this is hard power, this is our hemisphere,

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Speaker 5: this is it's the monro doctrine to your point, which

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Speaker 5: you do hear a lot of conservatives talking about.

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Speaker 3: Now in a very reverent way.

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Speaker 5: So I do think it's like just the conversation that

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Speaker 5: he's broached and brought into the overtin window or stretch

486
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Speaker 5: the overton window to bring it in is a pretty

487
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Speaker 5: fascinating one.

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Speaker 4: It is nice to be at least able to you know,

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Speaker 4: talk about it out loud, right and talk about it

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Speaker 4: in clear terms, rather than smuggling it in through the

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Speaker 4: language of democracy promotion.

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Speaker 5: Or right like would you rather have the CIA run

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Speaker 5: Panama or at least have like transparently out in the

494
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Speaker 5: open the United States is trying to run panel.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if these are our choices. Yeah, So in any event,

496
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Speaker 4: it's going to be interesting there that that at least

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Speaker 4: we will be gifted with.

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Speaker 5: Yes, the Gulf of America, of which, by the way,

499
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Speaker 5: like we have a state called New Mexico.

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Speaker 4: New Mexico.

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Speaker 5: Well yeah, it wouldn't really work, but anyway, Yes, quite

502
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Speaker 5: a moment yesterday at that wild press conference, and we'll

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Speaker 5: see what happens going forward now.

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Speaker 4: That wellkness that's going through and renaming everything.

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Speaker 5: By the way, oh it is a sort of iconoclass, right,

506
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Speaker 5: not a bad point, right, Well, we have more meltdowns

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Speaker 5: to cover, Ryan, So let's move on to Brian Stalter.

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Speaker 3: After Mark Zuckerberg.

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Speaker 5: Made his major announcement yesterday that Meta would be changing

510
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Speaker 5: its approach to speech, actually reversing its approach to speech

511
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Speaker 5: policies on the platform, fact checking policies on the platform,

512
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Speaker 5: reactions have been pouring in from people on the left

513
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Speaker 5: and the right. Let's just start with in case you

514
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Speaker 5: missed it, part of this video Mark Zuckerberg posted soccer

515
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Speaker 5: and Crystal covered it yesterday. It actually sort of happened

516
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Speaker 5: early in the morning. This was posted right before seven

517
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Speaker 5: am East Coast time, and was accompanied by a statement

518
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Speaker 5: from Meta that kind of fleshed out their approach a

519
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Speaker 5: little bit, you know, getting rid of those third party

520
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Speaker 5: fact checkers. Moving towards community notes, Mark Zuckerberg mentioned Elon

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Speaker 5: Musk directly at least x directly, the platform that Musk

522
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Speaker 5: has started using for community notes. So let's take a

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Speaker 5: look just at a brief clip from Mark Zuckerberg statement

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Speaker 5: yesterday in case you missed it, so.

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Speaker 10: Here it is, and focus on reducing mistakes, simplifying our policies,

526
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Speaker 10: and restoring free expression on our platforms. More specifically, we're

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Speaker 10: going to get rid of fact checkers and replace them

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Speaker 10: with community notes similar to X starting in the US.

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Speaker 3: Ryan.

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Speaker 5: One interesting thing there is he says back to our

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Speaker 5: roots and talks about how he had started Meta as

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Speaker 5: a way to give people a voice.

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Speaker 3: So it's it's.

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Speaker 5: Pretty interesting to see this like re recycling of the

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Speaker 5: ethos that there. They had a lot in that sort

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Speaker 5: of early Obama era when they were the cool kids

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Speaker 5: with the ping pong tables in their offices, and now

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Speaker 5: they're saying, listen, we're just getting back to Internet one

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Speaker 5: point zero ethos.

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Speaker 3: This is all about free speech. I'm wearing a gold chain.

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Speaker 5: I look like I would be, you know, sitting on

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Speaker 5: a UFC bench with you know, Elon and Trump even

543
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Speaker 5: even more like I fit in even more than Mike Johnson.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and there is some real truth that some of

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Speaker 4: the early tech DNA you know, had roots in kind

546
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Speaker 4: of an anarchist you know, information wants to be free

547
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Speaker 4: version of the world. In fact, going back to the

548
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Speaker 4: kind of you know, hippie acid creation of the Internet.

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Speaker 4: You know, in its early days, a lot of those

550
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Speaker 4: founders really believed that they were building kind of revolutionary

551
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Speaker 4: technology that was going to overthrow the powers that be.

552
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Speaker 4: Move fast and break things was you know for a

553
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Speaker 4: very long time, you know, Zuckerberg's motto for Facebook. And

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Speaker 4: so there is actually some truth that at some point

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Speaker 4: in tech's life it did have that ethos and did

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Speaker 4: move away from it.

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Speaker 3: No, that's a I think a very worthy point.

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Speaker 5: So Brian Stelter then appeared on CNN and had quite

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Speaker 5: an interesting conversation about it.

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Speaker 3: So let's well a little bit of Steltzer here.

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Speaker 6: It gets in this broader sense that when people like

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Speaker 6: zucker Elon Musk or mar Zuckerberg talk about free speech,

563
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Speaker 6: everybody wants free speech, but it oftentimes seems that these

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Speaker 6: tech CEOs actually are favoring or preferring a certain kind

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Speaker 6: of speech.

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Speaker 7: Right, They're favoring.

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Speaker 6: Their own speech or their own political preferences, and not

568
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Speaker 6: the actual entire user or the community's speech. You know,

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Speaker 6: the changes announced by Meta today are very much a

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Speaker 6: maga makeover, a pro Trump makeover, and that's gonna win

571
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Speaker 6: meta some conservative users, but it may repel some liberals.

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Speaker 6: That's the same thing we've seen happen on Elon Musk's

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Speaker 6: next he's turned into more of a right wing platform

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Speaker 6: where he's pro free speech when it's really pro Musk

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Speaker 6: or pro Trump speech.

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Speaker 3: So right.

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Speaker 5: And that's interesting because we just talked about how Facebook

578
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Speaker 5: is a was sort of informed by that early ethos

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Speaker 5: of the Internet, and now in twenty twenty five you

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Speaker 5: have Brian Stelter referring to that as a maga makeover,

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Speaker 5: And honestly, there's something of a point to that in

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Speaker 5: that it is the same argument that you started to

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Speaker 5: hear from people on the right who were skeptical of

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Speaker 5: these early Internet guys, conservatives, not libertarians so much.

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Speaker 3: Obviously libertarians were always a part of that movement.

586
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Speaker 5: But it's just to call that a maga makeover. It's

587
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Speaker 5: true in some sense, but also misses the broader context

588
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Speaker 5: that it's actually more of the traditional, like aclu old

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Speaker 5: left approach to speech that the right kind of happened

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Speaker 5: upon because it suddenly was turned against them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think it's wrong for Stella to conflate

592
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Speaker 4: what's going on at Twitter X and what's going on

593
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Speaker 4: at Facebook. I think, you know, both are flowing from

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Speaker 4: the same kind of political project that we're seeing. You know,

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Speaker 4: Zuckerberg was very clear that he's explicitly making this change

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Speaker 4: because elections have consequences. Like one admirable thing about his

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Speaker 4: video is that it did not include corporate speak. It

598
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Speaker 4: was he was It was very direct. It's like and

599
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Speaker 4: it was very plain about what they're going to do.

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Speaker 4: We're going to shut down our trust in safety team

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Speaker 4: in California, We're going to move it to Texas. Just

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Speaker 4: straightforward things like that, which you can agree or disagree with,

603
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Speaker 4: but like, like, wow, that's that. This is This is

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Speaker 4: rarely blunt stuff. And he pinpointed it directly to the

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Speaker 4: election with Musk. You know, he kind of drove the

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Speaker 4: change more than responded to the change. And you know,

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Speaker 4: his champion of free speech has has become kind of

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Speaker 4: mockable in the face of his his demonetizing of a

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Speaker 4: whole bunch of his enemies that he engaged with on

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Speaker 4: the H one B controversy, and then all of a

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Speaker 4: sudden they all start losing their like blue jacks and

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Speaker 4: their promoted stuff. And their their subscribers and and everything else.

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Speaker 4: So it's like, all right, well, anybody who you know

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Speaker 4: really put their faith there, I guess found that to

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Speaker 4: be a little bit misplaced.

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Speaker 5: It's oligarchy, however you slice it.

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Speaker 4: It is. And actually, before we get to the next element,

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Speaker 4: I want to pull one up that's not on the rundown,

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Speaker 4: which I think is yeah, going on a little rogue here,

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Speaker 4: But we can do that because we've got this more

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Speaker 4: more nimble system here. So this was Lena Kahan on

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Speaker 4: CNBC with with a bit of a different take on

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Speaker 4: what the problem is here an.

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Speaker 11: Economy where the decisions of a single company or a

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Speaker 11: single executive are not having extraordinary impact on speech online.

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Speaker 11: And I know that's a concern that we hear bipartisan

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Speaker 11: members of Congress talk about, and so it'll be interesting

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Speaker 11: to see what happens. We of course, have litigation ongoing.

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Speaker 11: There's going to be a trial starting this spring FTC

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Speaker 11: versus Facebook, alleging that their prior acquisitions were illegal.

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Speaker 12: What do you think, though, of the relationship that we're

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Speaker 12: seeing between big tech and the next administration. What do

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Speaker 12: you make of the meetings and pilgrimages with which we're

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Speaker 12: seeing Mark Zuckerberg go to mar A Lago, or we're

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Speaker 12: seeing a Jeff Bezos or Tim Cook. I mean, this

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Speaker 12: is a very different kind of relationship than administration the

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Speaker 12: Biden administration had, and specifically what you represented to the

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Speaker 12: business community.

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Speaker 11: So I approached my job with a focus on faithfully

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Speaker 11: enforcing the law and making sure we were doing that

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Speaker 11: across the economy without fear.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, lead that for there. But basically what

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Speaker 4: she's saying is probably something that the right would have

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Speaker 4: agreed with several years ago, which is, Yep, we shouldn't

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Speaker 4: have to hope that Mark Zuckerberg wakes up one day

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Speaker 4: and makes the right decision. Yep, No, nobody elected Mark

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Speaker 4: Zuckerberg to be.

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Speaker 5: And Elon Musk and Elon Musk right, we shouldn't have

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Speaker 5: to hope that Jack Dorsey wakes up one day and

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Speaker 5: you know, is looks favorably upon the conservative case when

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Speaker 5: The New York Times is coming down on you, and yeah,

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Speaker 5: Lena Kahn one favor on the right. I mean, she

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Speaker 5: continued a Trump administration suit against Google because that argument

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Speaker 5: it wasn't just that she was going after big tech,

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Speaker 5: it was that this very specific argument about single oligarchs

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Speaker 5: who control a wide swath of the public square with

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Speaker 5: private platforms, whether it's Instagram, Facebook, Meta as a whole,

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Speaker 5: or Twitter now x that that was always the problem,

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Speaker 5: and so yes, it's great that they're, you know, saying

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Speaker 5: at least publicly that they're taking a lighter approach to

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Speaker 5: the suppression or censorship of speech. That is obviously a

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Speaker 5: step in the right direction, and saying we're not going

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Speaker 5: to put our thumb on the scale as much as

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Speaker 5: our previous policy suggested. But what Lena Khan is saying

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Speaker 5: is that we have an economy structured so as that

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Speaker 5: they can put their.

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Speaker 3: Thumb on the scale at any given moment.

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Speaker 5: And that is the problem in and of itself, not

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Speaker 5: that they've decided that they're going to do it less,

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Speaker 5: but the fact that they have the power to begin

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Speaker 5: with is the problem. And conservatives used to agree with that.

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Speaker 5: The question is whether Zuckerberg and Musk are convincing them

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Speaker 5: they don't have to worry about it, or they don't

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Speaker 5: have to worry about it as much, so then it

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Speaker 5: becomes a lower priority. Doesn't Ken Paxton in twenty twenty

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Speaker 5: six hypothetically care as much about going after big tech

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Speaker 5: if big tech isn't going after conservatives exactly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, a lot of Lina Khan's anti trust

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Speaker 4: stuff has its roots in kind of right wing, free

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Speaker 4: market oriented approaches to you know, how markets ought to

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Speaker 4: be structured. Even though that even though she's you know,

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Speaker 4: gotten a lot of favor on on the left and

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Speaker 4: what she's describing there as an ad monopoly. That where

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Speaker 4: Facebook has built a moat around an ad monopoly which

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Speaker 4: you know, prevents other social networks from from coming in.

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Speaker 4: It's it's difficult because you have you know, size and scale,

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Speaker 4: you know, uh, you know, difficulties of you know, you

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Speaker 4: have to get to a threshold level in a social

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Speaker 4: network or you're not a social network. You need the

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Speaker 4: social part in there, not just a handful of handful

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Speaker 4: of users. But she's saying because of the way they've

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Speaker 4: built the moat, other other people can't get in. And

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Speaker 4: you're exactly right that you don't want politicians to be

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Speaker 4: deciding on the policy of the structure of an economy

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Speaker 4: based on just whether or not those companies are culturally

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Speaker 4: with them at the at the at a particular moment.

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Speaker 3: H right.

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Speaker 5: And this is not like, uh, this is not something

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Speaker 5: that's going to be in the rear view mirror for

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Speaker 5: the right or the left. Frankly, if you are as

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Speaker 5: administrations switch and you have people trying to curry favor

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Speaker 5: with the left and the right. Obviously it wasn't quite

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Speaker 5: as bad for the left when the Biden administration was

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Speaker 5: asking directly asking people like Mark Zuckerberg.

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Speaker 3: To censor the right.

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Speaker 5: But if you don't change the fundamental structure of the economy,

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Speaker 5: this becomes a problem for any side. And that doesn't

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Speaker 5: go away unless you change the structure of the economy.

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Speaker 5: And so what we're looking at now is having a

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Speaker 5: wide swath of our discourse exported onto these private platforms

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Speaker 5: that gamify that discourse and that have control over what

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Speaker 5: is said, have control over the algorithms that amplify or

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Speaker 5: deamplify what is said.

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Speaker 3: And that's our future.

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Speaker 5: That doesn't go away, that doesn't change, and we desperately,

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Speaker 5: desperately need a.

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Speaker 3: Solution to it.

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Speaker 5: So, unfortunately, it looks like some of that enthusiasm may

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Speaker 5: be blunted on the right if you have Zuckerberg putting

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Speaker 5: a million dollars into the inauguration fund. It's not just

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Speaker 5: you know, whether the principle of the argument is still

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Speaker 5: embraced by the right. It's whether there's any momentum or

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Speaker 5: energy to have their own sort of Lena Kahn when

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Speaker 5: the donors are like, this is a backbench issue, give

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Speaker 5: us the tax cuts, let's focus on this. Let's focus

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Speaker 5: on that. You're right, you know, it's not ideal, but

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Speaker 5: so yeah, it could be a quite unfortunate turn of events,

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Speaker 5: and Zuckerberg could be getting exactly what he pays for.

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Speaker 4: So I saw Ben Shapiro was in here. Anytime I

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Speaker 4: look at the top performers on Facebook, it seems like

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Speaker 4: Shapiro and his you know, alliance that he had built

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Speaker 4: with Zuckerberg over the years was really paying off. What's

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Speaker 4: his take here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, everyone could see a post that he put up

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Speaker 5: yesterday along with his segment from his show. He says

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Speaker 5: Facebook is just completely reversed course on censorship. He posted

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Speaker 5: this on x after years of doing the Democratic parties

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Speaker 5: anti free speech bidding. It's beyond time. Good for Zuckerberg,

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Speaker 5: and let's be real, this happened because up one then

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Speaker 5: in all caps he said, still not tired of winning,

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Speaker 5: Let's go to Donald Trump himself, because he actually got

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Speaker 5: asked that question directly at mar Alago yesterday.

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Speaker 13: Meta said today it was not putting in fact checks

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Speaker 13: on which website and it.

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Speaker 7: Was a lot of community.

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Speaker 9: So I watched their news conference and I thought it

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Speaker 9: was a very good news conference. I think they've honestly,

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Speaker 9: I think they've come a long way Meta Facebook, I.

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Speaker 7: Think they've come a long way.

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Speaker 9: I watched it. The man was very impressive. I watched it. Actually,

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Speaker 9: I watched it on Fox. I'm not allowed to say that.

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Speaker 8: Do you think he's been directly responding to the threats

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Speaker 8: that you have made to him in the past?

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Speaker 7: But probably probably so.

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Speaker 3: Ryan.

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Speaker 5: This gets to exactly what we were just talking about,

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Speaker 5: which is as this like this, this better policy. Although

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Speaker 5: I do wonder how community notes work is going to

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Speaker 5: work on Facebook when the only people left on Facebook

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Speaker 5: seemed to be elderly. Sorry, no offense to everybody's still

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Speaker 5: on Facebook. It's not just the elderly, but it sort

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Speaker 5: of sounds like a sitcom waiting to happen, Like, give

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Speaker 5: me a sitcom inside the community of like Wikipedia editors,

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Speaker 5: except its Facebook community notes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean I told our drop site team last night,

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Speaker 4: I was like, look if if Zuckerber is going to

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Speaker 4: actually allow politics back onto Facebook and maybe even threads,

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Speaker 4: then there's we might as well post there. Again, like,

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Speaker 4: we don't even have drop site. We don't even have

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Speaker 4: a Facebook page. We're going to start one because you're like,

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Speaker 4: it is a very boomer heavy audience, but there are

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Speaker 4: a lot of boomers. Yeah, and that's a big It's

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Speaker 4: it's an audience worth reaching if you can reach them.

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Speaker 4: The reason we hadn't done it isn't because we hate boomers.

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Speaker 4: It's because Zuckerberg was basically blocking anything interesting that you

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Speaker 4: know that wasn't just you know, fluff content right getting shared.

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Speaker 5: I'm actually going to share this post that Joel Kaplan,

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Speaker 5: who is the new longtime Republican lobbyist, the head of

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Speaker 5: their like global affairs public affairs outreach that used to

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Speaker 5: be Nick Klegg. Many people remember he wrote this as

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Speaker 5: a supplement to what Zuckerberg said yesterday and actually talked

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Speaker 5: exactly about what you talked about, Ryan, in that the

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Speaker 5: policy at Facebook for a long time was actually to

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Speaker 5: suppress political content because they were under the impression that

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Speaker 5: it's why it's not what people wanted to see, sort

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Speaker 5: of clogging up their news feeds on Facebook, and I

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Speaker 5: think you're right that that actually probably sent a lot

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Speaker 5: of younger people away from Facebook because the old saw

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Speaker 5: about not talking about politics and religion. We actually like,

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Speaker 5: as a people like to talk about politics and religion.

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Speaker 5: It's healthy for us to talk about politics and religion.

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Speaker 5: And we love to see everybody's dogs and their puppies

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Speaker 5: and their graduation pictures, and their families and their babies

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Speaker 5: and all of that. But you can also do that

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Speaker 5: in text groups and all of that other stuff. Now,

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Speaker 5: So they said that they are going to stop suppressing

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Speaker 5: political content that they realized people want to do that,

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Speaker 5: so they didn't actually roll out this fact checking program

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Speaker 5: or this the death of the fact checking program, which

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Speaker 5: has wide consequences because obviously they used to partner with

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Speaker 5: all of these third parties that actually got money for

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Speaker 5: being part of the program, you know, traditional news outlets,

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Speaker 5: things like PolitiFact, and there were others, you know, even

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Speaker 5: I think the Daily Caller was like the one conservative

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Speaker 5: group other than The Dispatch, which I don't really count,

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Speaker 5: that cooperated in all of this. But they also say

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Speaker 5: they're going to allow more speech and a personalized approach

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Speaker 5: to political content.

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Speaker 3: They noted, so.

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Speaker 5: Quite a significant reversal, not just on those third party

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Speaker 5: fact checkers, which is very significant in and of itself,

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Speaker 5: but actually on everything political for basically on everything political.

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Speaker 3: Which was pretty interesting.

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Speaker 6: Ryan.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Well, let's turn to this post from Glenn

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Speaker 5: because just as we were talking about sort of the

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Speaker 5: realignment implications of this, I thought it was worth bringing

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Speaker 5: in Glenn here. He says it's hard to overstate how

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Speaker 5: angry and upset Brazilian officials like this are. He has

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Speaker 5: a post from Joel Brandt that he's quote tweeting, along

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Speaker 5: with other supporters of its secret due Process, Free Judicial

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Speaker 5: censorscript scheme about Zuckerberg's announcement. The Meta CEO's announcement gutted

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Speaker 5: the core weapons of speech suppression, and he's absolutely right

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Speaker 5: about that it did, and he's pointing out that people

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Speaker 5: on the left are angry about it. Now, Brian Stelter

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Speaker 5: didn't sound angry to me. Maybe frustrated is a good

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Speaker 5: way to put it. But there are some people who

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Speaker 5: are flat out angry about this, especially Ryan, people who

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Speaker 5: had been using threads and saw that as an escape

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Speaker 5: from x So it's like a test for the left.

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Speaker 4: Threads at least as far as I can tell, lost

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Speaker 4: basically all of its momentum, specifically because it was refusing

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Speaker 4: to allow politics and news into the feed and because

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Speaker 4: it was insisting on not doing anything remotely chronological. You know,

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Speaker 4: so whenever you would log in, it would just give you,

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Speaker 4: like them, what it thought would be the most interesting

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Speaker 4: thing to you, even if it was seven days old

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Speaker 4: or twenty five days old. And so the people who

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Speaker 4: wanted news out out of a social feed went over

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Speaker 4: to Blue Ski. The liberals went over to Blue Sky

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Speaker 4: much more than Threads, and Blue Sky is really outpaced Threads,

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Speaker 4: at least culturally among liberals. Who knows if this change

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Speaker 4: in Threads will will pull people in because it has

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Speaker 4: that it has the scale it has, you know, it

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Speaker 4: has millions of people in there because of their connection

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Speaker 4: to Facebook and Instagram. But it might be so trash

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Speaker 4: that that it's impossible. Now. The other the flip side

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Speaker 4: of Glenn's point is an interesting and curiousity take on this.

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Speaker 4: I think it was alone with Rahu. I saw it

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Speaker 4: was our nobotron on Twitter. Somebody was saying that the

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Speaker 4: same way that democrats have used democracy promotion to intervene

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Speaker 4: imperially in other countries' internal affairs and push an American

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Speaker 4: hegemonic agenda. They worry that Republicans are now going to

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Speaker 4: use free speech as as its wedge to get into

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Speaker 4: other countries internal domestic politics and drive drive their own

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Speaker 4: political agenda in another country, so that that free speech

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Speaker 4: will be a fig leaf for American intervention in just

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Speaker 4: the same way that democracy promotion was a fig leaf

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Speaker 4: for American intervention for democrats. In other words, you would

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Speaker 4: come in and take on the EU or take on

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Speaker 4: the Brazilian center left around their speech policies. But what

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Speaker 4: you're what you're actually trying to do is over is

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Speaker 4: regime change, overthrow the government and put in a government which,

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Speaker 4: just as in the mirror example of democracy promotion, doesn't

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Speaker 4: actually care about democracy, doesn't actually care about free speech,

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Speaker 4: is actually just trying to implement an allied right wing agenda.

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Speaker 4: And so you kind of just use those use those

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Speaker 4: aspirational values along the way. Hopefully that's not what we

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Speaker 4: end up seeing, but I think it's something to be

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Speaker 4: on the lookout for.

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Speaker 5: It's definitely something to be on the lookout for, because

873
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 5: it's being talked about in those kinds of spaces right now.

874
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 5: And you know, honestly, it could be there's an argument

875
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 5: that it's for the better. Like if we're pushing other

876
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 5: countries to adopt just standards of free speech, it's still imperialism.

877
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 3: But we're going to be doing the imperialism.

878
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 4: No matter what. So human rights and democracy and yeah,

879
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 4: we're not all four. Everybody's for human rights. Human rights

880
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 4: are great.

881
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, the one thing we're not going to do is

882
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 5: stop the like coercive Like, we're not going to stop

883
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 5: doing that.

884
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 3: So if it's for like, if we can get better.

885
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 5: Speech policies out of the UK or Canada or some

886
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 5: countries that do have terrifying speech policies that hopefully are

887
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 5: not canaries in the coal mine for the United States,

888
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 5: then I'm all for it. But it's exactly going to

889
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 5: test the argument that we were just talking about with

890
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 5: Lena Kahan, where the right got really uncomfortable with some

891
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 5: of this coercive imperialism, the sort of soft power, and

892
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 5: this could test it in the exact same way.

893
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 3: I think you're right, Ryan, that is something to be

894
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 3: on the lookout for.

895
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, speak clear out about what we're doing while we're

896
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 4: doing it. The fight over TikTok is coming down to

897
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 4: the wire. A new buyer is now jumping into the fray.

898
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 4: Let's play this.

899
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 13: And then midday twelve oh five, Trump will be who

900
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 13: we have to work with to close the deal and

901
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 13: once ahead, so I wanted to let him know as

902
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 13: well as others in his cabinet, that we're doing this

903
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 13: and we're going to need their help.

904
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Speaker 4: So this is Kevin O'Leary, a right wing businessman from Canada,

905
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 4: which is which is still currently a sovereign country to

906
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 4: the north of the United States, but may at some

907
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 4: point be another state in the United States. Either way,

908
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 4: he's a shark tank guy ally of Trump and coming

909
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 4: in at the last moment to try to rescue TikTok

910
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 4: from potential potentially being banned if the sale is not

911
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 4: successfully forced and if the Supreme Court does not give

912
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 4: it some reprieve. So Emily, what's the latest here.

913
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, So just to be clear on the timeline, that

914
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 5: law that was signed last year in April means that

915
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 5: TikTok needs to be sold by January nineteenth to a

916
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 5: US buyer. So January nineteenth, you will note, is the data.

917
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 4: We're not a US buyer right, it's like a non

918
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 4: somebody from China, Russia, Iran and some other like places

919
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 4: that we consider adversaries because otherwise Trump would have to

920
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 4: hurry up and make Canada a state for January nineteen. Well,

921
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 4: I don't know if actually is going to be able

922
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Speaker 4: to be a qualified buyer.

923
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Speaker 5: That's a interesting point because I don't know if Kevin

924
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 5: O'Leary is actually an American citizen, or whether he's negotiating

925
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 5: on behalf of an American company that he has a

926
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 5: stake in something like that. There's also a billionaire Frank

927
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 5: McCourt who's been making moves to try and conservative billionaire

928
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 5: to try and buy TikTok.

929
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Speaker 3: January nineteenth is the day before Donald Trump's inauguration.

930
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Speaker 5: That is when TikTok is set to be banned, and

931
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 5: Trump has said he's got a quote warm spot for TikTok.

932
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 5: The Supreme Court is considering a Trump backed effort to

933
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Speaker 5: overturn the US Court of Appeals decision to uphold the

934
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 5: law that Joe Biden signed on Friday, So those arguments

935
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Speaker 5: are happening on Friday, the deadline, so that's the tenth.

936
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 5: The deadline is the nineteenth, So this is all playing

937
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 5: out TikTok is right now, and people can understand why

938
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 5: this is the Acxios tear sheet. Ryan is now sending

939
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 5: people to what's it called Lemon eight because they're panicked.

940
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,439
Speaker 5: They don't know that this is actually going to work

941
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 5: out at all, because they're I mean, if they lose

942
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 5: control of the company, obviously they're losing a lot of power,

943
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 5: They're losing a lot of revenue bite dances based in Beijing.

944
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 5: Obviously they still have other revenue streams that are very powerful.

945
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 5: This one is extremely powerful, though, and they would like

946
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 5: to keep a slice of it at the very least

947
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 5: ahead of what could be transpiring now. It's possible the

948
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Speaker 5: Supreme Court does not decide in Trump's favor, in favor

949
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 5: of people who are trying to prevent this from happening.

950
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 5: That's actually we don't really have a clear indication of

951
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 5: where the Supreme Court is going to go on this

952
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 5: at all.

953
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 3: Now.

954
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 5: A lot of people have said, if you look at

955
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 5: what happened with the US Court of Appeals, it's unlikely

956
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 5: that the Conservative Court is going to change it, just

957
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 5: based on, you know, the arguments that they found.

958
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 4: Composed the Court of appeals find well, it's basically rejected,

959
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 4: like they upheld the law, right, right.

960
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, they upheld the law because it was passed through

961
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 5: the democratic process. I mean, there was something that was

962
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 5: done by Congress, signed by the President, and that's going

963
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 5: to be a persuasive argument probably, and and maybe it

964
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 5: should be a persuasive argument. That's and what's important is

965
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 5: not to conflate that. You know, there are a lot

966
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 5: of laws that we might like that go through that

967
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 5: process and are fine, but it's important not to conflate

968
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 5: that with whether or not the bill was a good idea.

969
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 5: And you know, even as somebody who's been pretty sympathetic

970
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,479
Speaker 5: the idea of banning TikTok, you and I've talked about

971
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 5: this before. For different reasons, that bill was horrible. It

972
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 5: was like a deep state power grab essentially for the

973
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 5: reasons that you just talked about in terms of naming

974
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 5: or for adversaries and ways that it could be the

975
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 5: power could be expanded sort of Patriot Act type of

976
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 5: manner to suddenly like have government control.

977
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 3: I mean, we already have a lot of that.

978
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 5: But anyway, all this is to say that's a separate

979
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 5: what the Supreme Court does is a separate argument for

980
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 5: whether that original bill was good, and that's a separate

981
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 5: argument in and of itself from whether it's good to

982
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 5: ban TikTok.

983
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Byte Dance also owns Lemonade, which would mean

984
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 4: by the strictures of that law that was passed, it

985
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 4: would also be banned. Bite Dance seems to think that

986
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 4: because it's much lower profile, it might be able to

987
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 4: slip through. And I think also they're being smart. They're thinking,

988
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 4: if we're if we're going to lose access to this site,

989
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 4: to this app TikTok very soon, we should you know,

990
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 4: use the app while we have it to drive as

991
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 4: many people to something that will still control after this.

992
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 4: Because presumably if they do inc a deal to offload

993
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 4: TikTok to an American or a Canadian buyer, then they

994
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 4: will leave at Lemonade alone because it's not a significant threat,

995
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 4: and if they've boosted the value of it in the meantime,

996
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 4: that be in an advantage to them. But the reason

997
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 4: I've always thought that this won't actually come to pass

998
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 4: is that, you know, the deep State had wanted to

999
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 4: ban TikTok for a very long time. It was only

1000
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 4: after October seventh, that they were able to get enough

1001
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 4: congressional buy in to pass the law through Congress and

1002
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 4: get the President to sign it because members of Congress

1003
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 4: and members of the Establishment and both parties were horrified

1004
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 4: not at the images that were coming out of Gaza,

1005
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 4: but at the fact that young people were able to

1006
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 4: see the images that were coming out of Gaza and

1007
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 4: were repelled by them and were in opposition to the

1008
00:54:55,320 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 4: genocidal assault that they were seeing. Mitt Romney and we

1009
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 4: played the clip here on the program if you remember

1010
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 4: like six months ago or whatever it pass said very explicitly,

1011
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 4: the reason that the Congress wants to ban TikTok is

1012
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 4: because it was generating images out of Gaza that was

1013
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 4: making it difficult to continue to unapologetically support Israel's war effort.

1014
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 4: He straight upset it in an on stage with Anthony Blincoln,

1015
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 4: who acknowledged and agreed that TikTok was making the US

1016
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 4: support for Israel that much more difficult. So the reason

1017
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 4: I think it won't come to pass is that the

1018
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 4: genocide is nearly complete, Like the depopulation is complete and

1019
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 4: almost almost complete in northern Gaza, ninety plus percent of

1020
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 4: people have been dislocated from their homes. The Gaza Strip

1021
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 4: is effectively uninhabitable, yet continues to be inhabited, and so

1022
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 4: Israel in the US one. And so at that point,

1023
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,439
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter if there's if the public is able

1024
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 4: to see what's going on via TikTok. So that's why

1025
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 4: I think that they will end up getting a reprieve. Now,

1026
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 4: they may also cobble together this deal and O'Leary or

1027
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 4: somebody else might wind up with it, which presents a

1028
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 4: wild situation where you end up having so much of

1029
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 4: the media in explicitly right wing hands, like you know,

1030
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 4: Elon Musk, an active partisan with the Republican Party. At

1031
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 4: this point, Fox News the biggest you know, cable channels,

1032
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 4: active and active partisan. And then it you know, the

1033
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 4: the broadcast networks to its right are you know, they're

1034
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:58,720
Speaker 4: not trivial anymore. Those are significant. MSNBC completely collapsing CNN

1035
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 4: is a disaster. Uh. And then if you also have

1036
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 4: TikTok owned by you know, an explicit right wing person,

1037
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 4: not just a billionaire who has billionaire tendencies, but also

1038
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 4: but somebody who's kind of partisan, a partisan conservative like O'Leary. Uh,

1039
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 4: it's it sets up an extraordinary difficult situation for the

1040
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 4: center left and left.

1041
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,919
Speaker 5: Just gets back to the point about what that Lena

1042
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 5: Khan made on CNBC recently about just having an economy

1043
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 5: structured in a way that these platforms are so powerful

1044
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 5: a rival government power, significantly rival government power, and are

1045
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 5: under the control of a CEO, with this like massive

1046
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 5: swath of the discourse about politics under their sway at

1047
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 5: any given moment. And what's interesting, Ran is the reason

1048
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,439
Speaker 5: I think the deep state still cares a lot about

1049
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 5: TikTok Israel side is China and what they want to do.

1050
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 5: Really the reason that they want this sold through US entity.

1051
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 5: I mean, I think there's there's some very legitimate reasons

1052
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,200
Speaker 5: for wanting that, and we've.

1053
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 3: Talked about some of those before, but.

1054
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 5: I think they also want TikTok to function in the

1055
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 5: way that Twitter and X I'm sorry X and Meta do,

1056
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 5: which is they'll give you access. If you are trying

1057
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 5: to spy on Americans, they will share the data. They

1058
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 5: will or Google is another example, they will cooperate. You

1059
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 5: will have a way to access it. If you're in

1060
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 5: the FBI or CIA or whatever. You'll have better You

1061
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 5: don't have to go ask Beijing for data, and you know,

1062
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 5: TikTok would It's kind of interesting because TikTok would say, well,

1063
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 5: we're we're all functioning in America anyway.

1064
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 3: But they that's not necessarily true.

1065
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 5: But anyway, all this is to say, I think you

1066
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 5: know the benefit for the quote unquote you say of

1067
00:58:54,240 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 5: having TikTok owned by a US entity is more spy

1068
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 5: powers for them to snoop on Americans domestically. So whether

1069
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 5: or not there's good reasons for wanting it not to

1070
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Speaker 5: be spy powers for just Beijing, different question.

1071
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Speaker 4: Meanwhile, do you notice that Lev Parnas's kid has blown

1072
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 4: up on TikTok the last couple of days. He's doing

1073
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 4: like one minute news reports and he's up to like

1074
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 4: one and a half two million followers in like just weeks.

1075
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 4: It's the funniest thing ever, Like, what is Lev Parnas's

1076
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 4: kid doing on delivering news to people on TikTok.

1077
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 5: Also, I'm told that Taylor Armstrong is going viral on

1078
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 5: TikTok for the baby. There's no playing meme that Real

1079
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 5: Housewives Bravo fans of us have known about for like

1080
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,479
Speaker 5: a decade plus. Taylor Armstrong is famously the woman who's

1081
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 5: yelling at the cat in the meme from Real Housewives

1082
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 5: of Beverly Hills. But now she's just going viral again.

1083
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 5: So you never know what pops out of TikTok.

1084
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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 4: It's a global and national treasure. It must be protected.

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Speaker 5: There you have it from Brian grim All right, right,

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Speaker 5: let's move on to congestion pricing in New York. Well,

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Speaker 5: congestion pricing is officially in effect in New York City

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Speaker 5: as of this week, as of the fifth actually, so

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Speaker 5: we're a couple of days into it, and which means

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Speaker 5: we have the benefit. I'm saying all kinds of reactions. Now,

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Speaker 5: here's just a quick map that was posted the day

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Speaker 5: before it went into affect in Manhattan. So this is

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Speaker 5: from morning Brew NYC Congestion sols tolls start tomorrow. That

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Speaker 5: was a fifth for motor entry Manhattan at sixtieth Street

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Speaker 5: or below, cars, SUVs, pickups nine dollars, non commuter buses

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Speaker 5: fourteen forty big rigs, twenty one to sixty, motorcycles for fifty.

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Speaker 5: The MTA wants to raise fifteen billion dollars for mass

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Speaker 5: transit improvements and ease gridlock. So this is the congestion

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Speaker 5: relief zone. If you're not super familiar with New York,

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Speaker 5: it's basically that part of Manhattan. I mean, the sun's obvious,

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Speaker 5: but it's like the most congested. It shows their Westside

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Speaker 5: Highway excluded. It goes all the way down to the

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Speaker 5: southernmost tip FDR Drive excluded, those of those brake cream boundaries.

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Speaker 5: But in the middle there man that is affecting a

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Speaker 5: whole lot of people Ryan and raises some fascinating questions

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Speaker 5: about class and all of that. So let me run

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Speaker 5: a video here of one man, this man on the street,

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Speaker 5: that was done right. You actually posted this a couple

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Speaker 5: of days ago. Let's take a listen to this man

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Speaker 5: on the street.

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Speaker 8: We need to affect nine dollars each day that you

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Speaker 8: pass sixtieth Street. And while I disagree with it for

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Speaker 8: many reasons, for me in particular, it really hits home

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Speaker 8: because I live right here on sixty first Street in

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Speaker 8: this building, and my car is right there parked in front.

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Speaker 9: Of my building.

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Speaker 8: And if I want to go to turn around to

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Speaker 8: go uptown to visit my kids who live on seventy

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Speaker 8: ninth Street, I have to pay nine dollars to go

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Speaker 8: around the block, because this is a one way street,

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Speaker 8: and that's a one way street, and that's a one

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Speaker 8: way street, and there's no way for me to get

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Speaker 8: uptown without going around the block and paying nine dollars.

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Speaker 8: And I think something has to be sorted out for

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Speaker 8: Manhattan residences.

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Speaker 5: Ryan, That's quite an interesting clip because it gets to

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Speaker 5: the class dynamics here.

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Speaker 3: What Yeah, you posted this yourself, so tell us what

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Speaker 3: you mean.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's a couple of interesting dynamics here. First

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Speaker 4: of all, the real estate where that guy is standing

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Speaker 4: is some of the most expensive in the entire world.

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Speaker 4: So this is not This is not a work. It's

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Speaker 4: very unlikely. And I think actually somebody found this guy

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Speaker 4: is like a pretty rich dude, So like set that aside.

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Speaker 4: The reason the news camera was there the same reason

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Speaker 4: when I did my Man on the Street interview. They

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Speaker 4: were standing outside the emergency department and grabbing people coming

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Speaker 4: out of the hospital.

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Speaker 5: Yes, missed Ryan on Sky News who went viral. I

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Speaker 5: think you actually went viral on TikTok x.

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Speaker 4: They were looking for people angry at the healthcare system

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Speaker 4: on an insurance industry. They went to sixtieth Street and

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Speaker 4: sixty first Street here because that's where the line is,

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Speaker 4: and so yes like it. You know, whenever there's a line,

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Speaker 4: it's going to suck for the people who are like,

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Speaker 4: you know, five feet from it. And what he's saying

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Speaker 4: is like, in order to go north, I actually have

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Speaker 4: to go south, go one block over, and then go

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Speaker 4: north and boom, now I had to being through it.

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Speaker 4: The other funny thing, though, is that, Okay, it's kind

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Speaker 4: of that is kind of a funny predicament that the

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Speaker 4: guy is in that just because of where he is,

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Speaker 4: he's going to get dinged every possible time. And you

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Speaker 4: know what, if he has a good alderman or whatever,

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Speaker 4: he you know, the good city councilman, everybody in that block,

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Speaker 4: you know, can get half half off whatever. I don't care.

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Speaker 4: What's funny though, they're talking like eighteen blocks.

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Speaker 14: It's a twenty minute walk like this is this is

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Speaker 14: this is not a long distance And the whole the

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Speaker 14: point of living, a point of living in the city,

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Speaker 14: a city like Manhattan, is that it is walkable, that

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Speaker 14: you can get places by foot and that and that,

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Speaker 14: and that's good.

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Speaker 4: For you, it's good for the planet, it's good for

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Speaker 4: your kids. To do that walk. So that guy is

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Speaker 4: not for any of the arguments. Kind of a sympathetic

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Speaker 4: character there, But I think there are some more sympathetic

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Speaker 4: arguments that that we should that we should entertain and

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Speaker 4: see if we can grapple with.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's take a look at this headline. This is

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Speaker 3: from the New York Post.

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Speaker 5: Map shows congestion pricing will cost up to twenty seven

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Speaker 5: dollars to drive into Manhattan. Firefighters, teachers, and businesses can't

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Speaker 5: afford it. So here's the map, and if you're looking

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Speaker 5: at it's similar to the first map that we showed,

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Speaker 5: but it actually gets even more specific about if you're

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Speaker 5: commuting through particular points in New York City. If you're

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Speaker 5: super familiar with New York, it'll make sense to you

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Speaker 5: a Brooklyn Bridge, Manhattan Bridge, Williamsburg Bridge.

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Speaker 3: You can see some of these.

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Speaker 5: Exact pricing for for different folks, told by plate versus

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Speaker 5: told by easy pass. This is really expensive, Like, actually,

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Speaker 5: this is really expensive. I saw one man on a

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Speaker 5: street interview with a guy who was just like a

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Speaker 5: blue collar worker coming who was commuting into the city,

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Speaker 5: and some would costs him an extra two hundred dollars

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Speaker 5: a month. If he didn't start taking the subway. The subway,

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Speaker 5: of course, is not something that a lot of people

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Speaker 5: who aren't using it regularly want to start using right now,

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Speaker 5: because there's fair evasion that leads to some you know,

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Speaker 5: unfortunate experiences with law enforcement. There's also, like we just

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Speaker 5: saw last week, the horrifying video of a man who

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Speaker 5: somehow miraculously survived after being pushed onto the platform as

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Speaker 5: a train was coming on by someone who's just doing

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Speaker 5: it for the hell of it. Seemingly the woman who

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Speaker 5: was burned alive as passers by were helpless, and some

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Speaker 5: of them may have been able to do something but didn't.

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Speaker 5: Law enforcement didn't do much at all. Everyone has seen

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Speaker 5: these images, and people are not keen to leave the

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Speaker 5: safety of their vehicles. And I say that, you know,

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01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 5: safety not you know, being not in terms of car crashes,

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Speaker 5: which are obviously very significant area.

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Speaker 3: As well and everywhere.

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Speaker 5: But putting themselves vulnerable onto the subway is something a

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Speaker 5: lot of people don't want to do, especially you know,

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Speaker 5: when they it was previously they had organized their commutes

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01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 5: around budgets that were totally doable for them, and now

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01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,479
Speaker 5: the city is asking them to pay more money when

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Speaker 5: let me just share this next screen and get your

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Speaker 5: thoughts on this. Ryan, you had Uber and Lyft spending

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Speaker 5: millions of dollars pushing for the congestion pricing because it

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Speaker 5: helps them while it doesn't help other people.

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Speaker 3: I think that's pretty interesting. This is your posting.

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Speaker 5: They poured millions of dollars in efforts to legalize the

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Speaker 5: congestion tolling and they stand to be among the biggest winners.

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Speaker 5: They hired top lobbyists to help persuade key state and

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Speaker 5: city officials to approve the controversial level, including Governor Kathy

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Speaker 5: Hochel and the mt A. So that brings us into

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Speaker 5: interesting perspective as well. I'm curious what you make of it.

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Speaker 4: Ryan, Yeah, so uh, Uber and Lyft lobbying for this

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Speaker 4: and getting a sweetheart deal out of it where it's

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Speaker 4: cheaper for them, you know, and it and it makes

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Speaker 4: it easier for them to compete. You know, that's bs

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Speaker 4: and you know they ought to that that. You know,

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Speaker 4: that shouldn't that shouldn't be the case. I think I

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Speaker 4: think the opponents there have a have a very reasonable

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01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 4: argument because not only they're getting a sweetheart deal, then

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Speaker 4: there's gonna be less congestion, and they're gonna be able

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Speaker 4: to zip around more. On other hand, people who use

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Speaker 4: ubers and lifts you know, pretty frequently are going to

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Speaker 4: be are are going to uh benefit from that because

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Speaker 4: their trips will be will be quicker. Uh. There's a

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Speaker 4: kind of a chicken and egg you know problem here

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Speaker 4: that the city is trying to address to you to

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Speaker 4: your point about the subway being trash. You know, I

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Speaker 4: lived there about twenty years ago or so, and I

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01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 4: used to take the subway to work, and people who

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Speaker 4: live in New York have a real you know, fondness

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Speaker 4: for and defensiveness around its subway and all the character

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Speaker 4: that it has. But it's also, you know, compared to

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Speaker 4: other major cities around the world, particularly around the world,

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Speaker 4: and even even in the US, it's trash compared to

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Speaker 4: a lot of them. It should be a lot better. So,

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Speaker 4: this is supposed to be the greatest city in the world,

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Speaker 4: and it definitely does not have the greatest the greatest

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Speaker 4: subway system or not even probably in the top one hundred,

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Speaker 4: and so in order to upgrade that, they're trying to

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Speaker 4: come up with money through this congestion pricing scheme, and

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Speaker 4: so it's going to push people to use a system

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01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 4: that is not yet upgraded. But if you don't do

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Speaker 4: something like this, then then it never gets upgraded, and

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01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 4: people have both over congested traffic and in a completely

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Speaker 4: degrading subway system. One. So the low income there's a

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Speaker 4: low income discount that has been worked into the law,

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Speaker 4: which is just woefully inadequate. Make it's if you if

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Speaker 4: you have a gross income of sixty thousand dollars or less,

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Speaker 4: you're able to get half off of your fare, but

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Speaker 4: only after your first ten trips. And I think the

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Speaker 4: sixty thousand is pretty absurd. You know, most people who

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Speaker 4: are coming into New York, the reason they're driving into

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Speaker 4: New York is because they're making a little bit more

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Speaker 4: than that. But it's still extraordinarily difficult to live in

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Speaker 4: New York on say seventy or live in the New

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Speaker 4: York area on even seventy or or eighty thousand dollars,

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Speaker 4: especially if then all of your you know, you're spending

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Speaker 4: hundreds of hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of dollars on

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Speaker 4: tolls and fairs.

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Speaker 3: So they really should is extremely high.

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Speaker 4: They really should have made that that discount a lot

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Speaker 4: more generous and make it, make it easy, make it

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Speaker 4: easier for the middle for the middle class to get.

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Speaker 4: But if it works, then this is this is the

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Speaker 4: argument that I would make to people who don't want

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Speaker 4: to pay it but are end up paying it because

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Speaker 4: they don't live near transit and it's just not feasible

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Speaker 4: for them to use use a transit. Like, look, if

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Speaker 4: you actually shave off a half an hour of your

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Speaker 4: commute each way, and let's say you make let's say

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Speaker 4: you make forty dollars an hour, you make thirty dollars

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Speaker 4: an hour. If you shave off an hour of that,

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Speaker 4: that's thirty or forty dollars that you not to get

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01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 4: not to get too you know, you know, economics bro

1285
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Speaker 4: or neoliberal, but like people's time is valuable, and so

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Speaker 4: if it works, and that's and that's a huge if.

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Speaker 4: So far we're seeing it working. Like so far, we're

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Speaker 4: seeing that commute traffic does seem to be moving faster.

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Speaker 4: You know, let let us know in the comments, if

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01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:50,759
Speaker 4: you live in New York and if you've been driving

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Speaker 4: around the city, you know what your experience has been.

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Speaker 4: But if you can actually save that time, time is money,

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01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:01,720
Speaker 4: you can actually you know you could you could work

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01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 4: an extra hour on your shift if you can, if

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01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 4: you can get those hours, or you have an hour,

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Speaker 4: or you have an extra hour to yourself a day,

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Speaker 4: which you know, is that worth nine dollars to you

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Speaker 4: to a lot of people, I think it would be,

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Speaker 4: especially if that money is then going into improving the

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Speaker 4: subway system in the long run.

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Speaker 5: The obvious benefit while we're doing the sort of advantages

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Speaker 5: and disadvantage pros and cons is also for emergency vehicles

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Speaker 5: is a serious problem in New York that when traffic's

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Speaker 5: not moving and you need to get ambulances through. That's

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Speaker 5: a significant reason just in and of itself to start

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Speaker 5: thinking about how to deal with congestion. But I just

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Speaker 5: think what sucks, and this is not just New York based,

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Speaker 5: but near in particular, where people are the cost of

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Speaker 5: living is really high, and people are taxed to hell

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Speaker 5: and have.

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Speaker 3: Been for years.

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Speaker 5: It's like you're punishing them. You're punishing them for the

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Speaker 5: city's mismanagement of their own taxpayer dollars. And people have

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Speaker 5: organized their lives of course of years around commutes that

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Speaker 5: work for their budget, that work for their schedule.

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Speaker 3: Uh, and so that the sudden like it just.

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Speaker 5: Feels like a punishment for people who have been dutifully

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Speaker 5: like paying their taxes for years and now because the

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Speaker 5: like the the reason the subway is a disaster, it's

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Speaker 5: not really just because they lack resources. They lack resources,

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Speaker 5: financial resources, because of the mismanagement it's in.

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Speaker 3: It's a complete vicious cycle right now. People have been

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Speaker 3: paying into.

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Speaker 5: The system and it just again, it's going to It's

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Speaker 5: it's going to It's one of those things that just

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Speaker 5: is going to. The middle class is going to bear

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Speaker 5: the brunt of it, which obviously sucks.

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Speaker 4: Although meanwhile, Dave Will pointed out really fascinating class dynamic

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Speaker 4: in the New York Post coverage. I don't know if

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Speaker 4: you saw this, but the uh they the Post was

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Speaker 4: writing about drivers who were cleverly evading the fair because

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Speaker 4: you know, people have different tricks. You put this gloss

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Speaker 4: on your license plate, which is illegal, but if you

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Speaker 4: can get away with it nobody sees it, then the

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Speaker 4: camera can't catch your your license plate or other tricks

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Speaker 4: to like not get nailed with this fair. He's like,

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Speaker 4: I've searched the New York Post and was unable to find,

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Speaker 4: you know, any articles celebrating the cleverness of subway fare

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Speaker 4: of vaders that to them is like a cover story

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Speaker 4: worthy crime and a driver who evades the fair you

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Speaker 4: know that person is clever and an American hero. And

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Speaker 4: it does go back to this unspoken assumption that car

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Speaker 4: culture is is just better because who like who built

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Speaker 4: the subway, The public built the subway, Who built the roads?

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Speaker 4: The public built the roads. But there's this belief that

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Speaker 4: one of them, just by natural right, ought to be

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Speaker 4: free and the other one ought to cost people money,

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Speaker 4: and that if you're if you're stealing one, you're a hero.

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Speaker 4: You're stealing the other, you're a villain, and if you

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Speaker 4: peel it back. There's there's no philosophical, logical, political rationale

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Speaker 4: for the argument that different transportation modes that were both

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Speaker 4: funded by the public should be treated so radically different.

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Speaker 4: So not in the post.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a great point.

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Speaker 4: So President Donald Trump has promised hell on Earth if

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Speaker 4: there isn't a hostage deal by the time he's sworn

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Speaker 4: into office. Meanwhile, over at drop site News, we've gotten

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Speaker 4: a statement from Hamas appealing directly to President Trump. I'm

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Speaker 4: going to read some of that. They write the Hamas

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Speaker 4: spokesperson says, well, we believe we can reach an agreement

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Speaker 4: immediately if Netanyahu and his government stop their stalling and

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Speaker 4: obstructing the deal, we are ready to proceed with agreement

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Speaker 4: immediately that guarantees a permanent ceasefire, the withdrawal of all

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Speaker 4: Israeli forces from the Gaza Strip, the return of displaced

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Speaker 4: people to their homes without restrictions, a serious prisoner exchange

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Speaker 4: deal from both sides, and the immediate launch of a

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Speaker 4: comprehensive relief and reconstruction process for Gaza. Therefore, we look

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Speaker 4: forward to President Trump and his team exerting pressure on

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Speaker 4: that Yahoo and his government to move forward with the

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Speaker 4: deal before his inauguration. Now this comes just as there's

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Speaker 4: news being reported by Reuters and others that when it

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Speaker 4: comes to that post reconstruction or post deal reconstruction process,

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Speaker 4: the UAE, which is a very very close ally of

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Speaker 4: Trump himself and the Trump family, has said that it

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Speaker 4: would take a lead in kind of overseeing with the

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Speaker 4: US a security and reconstruction until a reformed house stating

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Speaker 4: authority could start taking control in Gaza. Now, what's interesting

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Speaker 4: about this is several things. One uh the US having

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Speaker 4: some role in security and reconstruction in Gaza suggests boots

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Speaker 4: on the ground, Like how how does you know how

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Speaker 4: would the US play a role in security? Uh, you know,

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Speaker 4: without boots in the ground. One, I guess one possibility

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Speaker 4: would be just you know, financing it and sending you know,

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Speaker 4: enormous amounts of weapons and money so that the UA

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Speaker 4: you can hire like Colombian mercenaries to patrol Gaza.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 4: So it remains me seeing what those details are.

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Speaker 13: Uh.

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Speaker 4: But what's also interesting is that, you know, the Gulf

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Speaker 4: countries had been insisting that a pathway to statehood was

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Speaker 4: essential for their involvement in a most conflict reconstruction. If

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Speaker 4: these reports are accurate, that would suggest that the UAE

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Speaker 4: is UEE at least is backing off of that of

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Speaker 4: that piece of the deal as Saudi Arabia and Israel

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Speaker 4: are continuing their talks towards normalization, where Saudi is insisting

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Speaker 4: on some type of language you know, about a pathway

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Speaker 4: to statehood being included or there or there won't be normalization.

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Speaker 4: You know, when we were I guess when we were

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Speaker 4: last speaking a couple of weeks ago before the Christmas

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Speaker 4: and New Year's break there were there was a lot

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Speaker 4: of talk that a deal was, you know, just moments

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Speaker 4: away from from being inked. Trump putting the January twentieth

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Speaker 4: deadline on it, to me, has always meant that net

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Speaker 4: Yahoo will take every day that's available. It's January eighth,

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Speaker 4: that's that's at least twelve days that he has a

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Speaker 4: free hand to strike Gaza. And the air strikes, oh,

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Speaker 4: have have heated up. They've they've expanded, they've they've been

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Speaker 4: almost around the clock according to people you know in Gaza.

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Speaker 4: So I would not expect him to strike a deal,

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Speaker 4: you know, a moment before he's absolutely forced to by

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump. So but let's let's play a little bit

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Speaker 4: from Trump to get a flavor of how he how

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Speaker 4: he's framing, you know, his his approach to this.

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Speaker 5: And these are comments from his press conference yesterday that

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Speaker 5: we played some clips earlier in the show on other things.

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Speaker 5: But he was asked by everyone different questions and touched

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Speaker 5: on Israel.

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Speaker 4: Here, yes, here you go, all.

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Speaker 3: Hell must be paid.

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Speaker 7: They don't release, don't you Well do I have to

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Speaker 7: define it for you?

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Speaker 9: Hell will break in if those hostages aren't back.

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Speaker 7: I don't want to hurt your negotiation.

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Speaker 9: If they're not back by the time I get into office,

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Speaker 9: all hell will break out in the Middle East and

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Speaker 9: it will not be good for AMAS and it will

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Speaker 9: not be good frankly for anyone. All hell will break out.

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Speaker 9: I don't have to say anymore, but that's what it is.

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Speaker 4: So there's some real uh gallows humor going on in Gaza.

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Speaker 4: And we're going to talk to Amat Khan, who was

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Speaker 4: in Gaza recently. He was telling me that when he

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Speaker 4: was there, Trump made similar comments all hell will break

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Speaker 4: loose uh and everyone universally that he spoke to, like,

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Speaker 4: does he have any idea what's going on here?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 4: What what? What would that look like like? And it

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Speaker 4: goes from a rhetorical question to an actual question where

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Speaker 4: it's like, wait a minute, what what would hell on

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Speaker 4: Earth look like if it wasn't this, which is you know, starvation,

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01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 4: you know MP rampant disease, it's cold at night, your

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Speaker 4: tent you're living in tents. Your tents are flooding, uh,

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Speaker 4: and air strikes are continuing relentlessly, like and all the

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Speaker 4: hospitals are shut down, Like what so if that's the

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01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 4: status quo, what what the hell look like?

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Speaker 5: I think, you know, Hamas in a strange way, has

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Speaker 5: some leverage with Donald Trump in that respect, because.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they've taken Hell off the table by already bringing

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Speaker 4: it to Gaza.

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Speaker 5: There's that, There's there's also that Trump doesn't want He

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01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 5: wants to be the guy who looks like he secured

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01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 5: a deal. And so if if he has to get

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Speaker 5: to a deal, that means he needs Hamas's cooperation. So

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Speaker 5: does he want to escalate beyond what you just described,

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Speaker 5: Ryan and be the guy who was behind what he

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01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 5: already described for net and Yahoo what six months ago

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01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 5: is a public relations problem? Does he want to be

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Speaker 5: overseeing that or you know, does it? Does Hamas have

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01:20:57,400 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 5: I guess some real leverage in they want a deal

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Speaker 5: and Trump wants a deal. He wants to be the

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Speaker 5: guy who solved the problem and died the conflict and

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Speaker 5: secured what he will say, his piece, whether it's lasting

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Speaker 5: is you know, dubious, but that does actually sort of

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Speaker 5: give Hamas their position some leverage going into a Trump administration.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and over at the drops on News Twitter account,

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Speaker 4: you can find a report from Israeli media that a

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Speaker 4: May document that was approved by Netahu's cabinet describing a

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Speaker 4: the terms that they would agree to for a ceasefire

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Speaker 4: was leaked to the Israeli media, and it's consistent effectively

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Speaker 4: with you know, what Hamas is asking for and is

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Speaker 4: consistent with what Israel is now expected to get from

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Speaker 4: an upcoming ceasefire if one really happens. And actually, I

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Speaker 4: have this right here, so think about that. This is May.

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Speaker 4: The the hostages have been held since May. Some many

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Speaker 4: perhaps have died since then. To get nothing extra to like,

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Speaker 4: to get to get an agreement that was already on

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Speaker 4: the table last May, is such an extraordinary and fundamental

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Speaker 4: failure when it comes to what a the leader of

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Speaker 4: a government's mission is, which is to protect their own people,

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Speaker 4: their own citizens. If you're one of those hostage families,

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Speaker 4: you're asking why, like why is it now January and

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Speaker 4: we're about to ink a deal potentially we're going to

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Speaker 4: inc a deal that was available to us in May,

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Speaker 4: Like what did we achieve between May and January? And

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Speaker 4: the answer can only be satisfaction of a lust for

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Speaker 4: the complete and total destruction of Gaza as a habitable place,

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Speaker 4: because nothing else has improved from Israel's perspective and from

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Speaker 4: the perspective the hostages from May until January. Unless I'm

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Speaker 4: missing something, so.

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Speaker 3: Trump, we may see something similar.

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Speaker 5: If we see something like that in Israel, we may

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Speaker 5: see something similar also in Ukraine, where there's.

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Speaker 4: Still Grit's a dealer was available in like February March

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty two, and better actually than is that, we'll

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Speaker 4: be available now.

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Speaker 5: People will say that what really changed is the seriousness

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Speaker 5: of the negotiations. You have this presidential transition in the

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Speaker 5: United States, and that changes the positions and the leverage

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Speaker 5: that the deal makers have.

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Speaker 3: So that's the I'd expect to hear, but I think

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Speaker 3: it's a valid point.

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Speaker 4: Before we leave, let's just comment a little bit on

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Speaker 4: some of the Antie blaken has been making the rounds

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Speaker 4: and doing some exit interviews. He spoke with the New

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Speaker 4: York Times. Here let me play a little bit of

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Speaker 4: that to what.

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Speaker 15: Has become the defining crisis of this era, which is

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Speaker 15: the conflict in Gaza. You came in thinking you could

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Speaker 15: broker a historic agreement between Saudi Arabia and Israel, and

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Speaker 15: then Hamas attacked is on October seventh, with the horrific

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Speaker 15: results which we saw, and Israel's response has been extreme.

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Speaker 15: The latest UN figures put the Palestine in death toll

1512
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 15: of forty five thousand. Over ninety percent of Gaza's population

1513
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:45,920
Speaker 15: is now displaced, the population is starving, all hospitals have

1514
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:49,759
Speaker 15: been destroyed. In November, a UN committee released a report

1515
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:53,640
Speaker 15: that found Israel's warfare practices quote consistent with the characteristics

1516
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:57,400
Speaker 15: of genocide. I know you don't agree with that estimation,

1517
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:01,680
Speaker 15: but do you believe that Israel's acts have been consistent

1518
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 15: with the rules of war.

1519
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:08,880
Speaker 16: Let's step back for a second and think about where

1520
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 16: we were on October sixth, and then where we were

1521
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 16: on October seventh, and where we've been since then.

1522
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:14,840
Speaker 4: You're right.

1523
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:18,799
Speaker 16: On October sixth, we were very much pursuing normalization between

1524
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:21,599
Speaker 16: Saudi Arabia and Israel, and in fact I was scheduled

1525
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 16: to go to Saudi Arabia and Israel on October tenth trip.

1526
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 16: Obviously that didn't happen because the events of October seventh,

1527
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:32,680
Speaker 16: But the purpose of that trip was to work on

1528
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 16: the Palestinian component of any normalization agreement between Saudi Arabian Israel,

1529
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:40,599
Speaker 16: because we believed, and the Saudis also said, it was

1530
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 16: usually important to make sure that if there was going

1531
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 16: to be a normalization, there was also a pathway toward

1532
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 16: a Palestinian state.

1533
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,000
Speaker 4: End it there for now, because a lot of it

1534
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 4: from there is just him kind of humiliating himself by

1535
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:59,600
Speaker 4: trying to present the world in a way that it

1536
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 4: just isn't. And but that that piece is interesting because

1537
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 4: what it reveals is just how flawed that the American

1538
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 4: strategy was that to ignore the Palestinian piece of a

1539
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 4: Mid East piece. Deal knows that he's saying on October tenth,

1540
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 4: He's going to go to talk to Israel and Saudi

1541
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 4: Arabia about the Palestinian issue. Anybody who who's like hearing

1542
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:33,679
Speaker 4: that and isn't completely absorbed in the propaganda here would

1543
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:36,120
Speaker 4: be like, wait a minute, You're going to talk to

1544
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 4: Israel and Saudi Arabia about the Palestinians, Like what about

1545
01:26:40,160 --> 01:26:44,480
Speaker 4: the Palestinians going to talk to them about the Palestinians?

1546
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 4: Like are they are they're gonna be involved in this

1547
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 4: conversation about them at all? And if they were involved

1548
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 4: in a serious way, then it's very difficult to imagine

1549
01:26:57,439 --> 01:27:01,640
Speaker 4: there's an October seventh Hamma was very clear that one

1550
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 4: of the motivations for October seventh was that they felt

1551
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 4: like they were being written off of the historical stage,

1552
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 4: that they were being sidelined by the United States in

1553
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 4: an effort to normalize the you know, to normalize relations

1554
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:24,160
Speaker 4: with Israel, normalize and effectively normalize the occupation and just

1555
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:29,040
Speaker 4: keep the status quo in place indefinitely. And it was

1556
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 4: a They described it in as a version of a

1557
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 4: flip to table moment. And if that's the case, then

1558
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:40,559
Speaker 4: that is a fundamental failure of the of the policy

1559
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 4: that was being carried out by you know, all all administrations,

1560
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:47,600
Speaker 4: you know, whether Biden, Trump and everybody since you know,

1561
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 4: Clinton effectively or actually maybe since Bush.

1562
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:52,599
Speaker 3: I mean, what you heard Blinkett just responding to from

1563
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 3: the New York Times.

1564
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:57,480
Speaker 5: There was totally unspoken, but it was him like embracing

1565
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:01,400
Speaker 5: the Trump policy, doubling tripling down on the Abercord policy.

1566
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 5: I don't know that I agree that it's hard to

1567
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 5: imagine October seventh happening without the Abraham Accords, but I

1568
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:08,480
Speaker 5: do agree that it's clearly pushed.

1569
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:09,800
Speaker 3: Them to a flip the table moment.

1570
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 5: Doesn't in any way justify the flip the table moment,

1571
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 5: but I do agree that that's a component of it,

1572
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 5: and it makes me wonder, as many people are whether

1573
01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:21,760
Speaker 5: Donald Trump.

1574
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 4: Right some of the Abraham Accords. You'd have to have

1575
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 4: you have to have real, genuine these talks going on

1576
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 4: that everybody believed were serious. And if that, if those

1577
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:36,479
Speaker 4: were happening, my argument would be, then there wouldn't have

1578
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:37,519
Speaker 4: been an October seventh.

1579
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting, but.

1580
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 4: I mean Hamas would have to be brought into them, Yeah,

1581
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 4: as the power in Gaza. Yeah, that's an if that

1582
01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:52,599
Speaker 4: is impossible to conceive of, because the purpose of Israel

1583
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:55,519
Speaker 4: helping to prop up a Hamas in Gaza was that.

1584
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:56,880
Speaker 4: So those talks aren't happening.

1585
01:28:57,080 --> 01:29:01,040
Speaker 5: I mean the Hamas Charter, which was changed from obviously

1586
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:04,559
Speaker 5: to just talk about the Israel like the foundational principle

1587
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:05,840
Speaker 5: of Israel's existence.

1588
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:08,480
Speaker 3: I think there's an ideological.

1589
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 5: Part there, an a geological component there that makes it

1590
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 5: I think likely that you know, in October seventh could

1591
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 5: happen sort of at any given moment until there's something.

1592
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 5: That's why peace talks are always so depressing, because.

1593
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 4: It's interesting how an organization like HAMASC can get its

1594
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:31,960
Speaker 4: hand forced. You know, it wasn't because they never necessarily

1595
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:34,080
Speaker 4: had a change of heart that they changed their charter,

1596
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:36,519
Speaker 4: and I think it was twenty seventeen to embrace it,

1597
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:39,360
Speaker 4: to embrace the two state deals. That there was public

1598
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 4: pressure from from Palestinians, it's a good point to move

1599
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 4: in that direction, which then led to the twenty eighteen

1600
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 4: the Great March of Return, which was these non violent

1601
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:54,799
Speaker 4: protests in Gaza that would mark march to the fence.

1602
01:29:56,520 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 4: But we're organized by Gaza Civil Society and initially had

1603
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:06,960
Speaker 4: at an arm's length at best relationship with Hamas and

1604
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:10,200
Speaker 4: Maas saw them as is not helpful to their and

1605
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:13,720
Speaker 4: not part of their ideological project. Hamas eventually, because they

1606
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:17,880
Speaker 4: were so popular, had to come around for political reasons

1607
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:21,719
Speaker 4: and and kind of embrace them. Everybody knows how those ended.

1608
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 4: Is IDF troops outside of the fence shot something like

1609
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 4: forty thousand people on arm, you know, most unarmed people,

1610
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:32,599
Speaker 4: almost all of them unarmed, and we're shooting for legs,

1611
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:34,920
Speaker 4: you know, shooting people's legs for sport, as a as

1612
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:39,240
Speaker 4: a UN report has has has laid out. And then

1613
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:44,040
Speaker 4: with the collapse of that nonviolent movement, Hamas then has

1614
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 4: more political capital to organize toward a toward a violent response.

1615
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:53,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, what's interesting to me is is there a it does.

1616
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 5: Does the Trump camp recognize that there's there's something serious

1617
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:05,599
Speaker 5: when Hamas says that Abraham the Abraham Accords were a

1618
01:31:05,640 --> 01:31:08,880
Speaker 5: factor and sort of pushing them towards October seventh? Do

1619
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 5: they take that seriously? Do they believe that hamasas sincere

1620
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 5: when they say that, or do they continue to think

1621
01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:19,639
Speaker 5: the Abraham Accords were the triumph of US policy to Israel?

1622
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:22,120
Speaker 5: And the answer to that is they continue to think

1623
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:26,679
Speaker 5: the Abraham Accords were just sort of an indisputed triumph.

1624
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:30,360
Speaker 5: And that doesn't mean you can't recognize that they were,

1625
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:34,920
Speaker 5: you know, keeping Palestinians out of the loop, had you know,

1626
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:39,000
Speaker 5: downstream consequences, But it doesn't seem like there's recognition of that.

1627
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:42,559
Speaker 5: And so it's actually just I think it's really hard

1628
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 5: to predict the particulars of Trump's Israel policy in this

1629
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:49,880
Speaker 5: next administration. We can predict obviously the broad swath of

1630
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 5: it is, you know, like deep support, but what does

1631
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 5: it look like in practice? How does he influence negotiations?

1632
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:01,639
Speaker 5: That I think is less easy to predict.

1633
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:05,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we'll see. I think it's reasonable that we

1634
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:08,599
Speaker 4: might actually get a ceasefire deal right around the nineteenth

1635
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:12,880
Speaker 4: or twentieth. Whether it holds, I think is a is

1636
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:15,840
Speaker 4: a totally different question. Yeah, and what that looks like

1637
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,639
Speaker 4: might be. It might be a deal on paper that

1638
01:32:19,479 --> 01:32:22,120
Speaker 4: Israel violates regularly, like if you notice, like the hes

1639
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:26,240
Speaker 4: Bela Israel deal is getting very close to completely collapsing.

1640
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:33,400
Speaker 4: But Israel has bombed Hesbela dozens scores, maybe hundreds of

1641
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 4: times since the quote unquote sees fire deal. So we'll see.

1642
01:32:41,240 --> 01:32:43,840
Speaker 4: Up next, we're going to be joined by American philanthropist

1643
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:46,160
Speaker 4: i'm Ed khan Imed. Thanks for joining us here. I

1644
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 4: really appreciate it.

1645
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:49,800
Speaker 7: Thanks Ryan, Thanks Emily, and so.

1646
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:52,040
Speaker 4: With you today, we want to talk about a couple

1647
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:56,240
Speaker 4: of things. One, you were fairly recently in Gaza. You

1648
01:32:56,720 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 4: organized a shipment of humanitarian supplies into the Strip and

1649
01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:05,440
Speaker 4: and you went with your shipment or you went alongside

1650
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 4: your shipment. And we had promised our viewers at the

1651
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:12,040
Speaker 4: time that we would get your take on like how

1652
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:13,840
Speaker 4: how did you do that, how did you how on

1653
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:15,559
Speaker 4: earth did you pull that off? And also what was

1654
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:18,960
Speaker 4: you know, what did you see that we're not seeing

1655
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:21,759
Speaker 4: just through the images that we get out of Gaza,

1656
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:24,519
Speaker 4: and we've also done some coverage of something else that

1657
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 4: you're working on, which is that the need to get

1658
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 4: the tens of thousands of people who need critical medical

1659
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:35,800
Speaker 4: care out of Gaza to places that are willing to

1660
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:40,400
Speaker 4: to to take them in. Whose whose lives are you know,

1661
01:33:40,439 --> 01:33:42,639
Speaker 4: at risk at every moment that they're not being allowed

1662
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:46,880
Speaker 4: to get to get that treatment. So I just I'll

1663
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:49,240
Speaker 4: just start here by you. You had shared, uh this

1664
01:33:49,680 --> 01:34:03,920
Speaker 4: one one of here's one video of your trip, so

1665
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:06,240
Speaker 4: tell us a little bit about like where you are

1666
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:09,400
Speaker 4: and what your impression was as you're getting here.

1667
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:15,120
Speaker 7: That's called the middle area of Gaza kanyunissel Malassie. They

1668
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:19,559
Speaker 7: are a series of tented caps and you can see

1669
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:22,040
Speaker 7: that it's children, and that's what you see everywhere in Gaza,

1670
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:23,960
Speaker 7: you see children. You don't really see anything else. You

1671
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:28,840
Speaker 7: see children. This was a community building exercise and just

1672
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:31,280
Speaker 7: sort of a kid's activity. Obviously, the schools are all

1673
01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:35,920
Speaker 7: destroyed and they just try to keep the kids busy,

1674
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:38,959
Speaker 7: so we just walked into it. The kids were dancing

1675
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:43,040
Speaker 7: the Dubka Palestinian dance and there were various performers and

1676
01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:47,519
Speaker 7: sort of we just came in to view it, and

1677
01:34:48,200 --> 01:34:52,640
Speaker 7: you know, you're just overwhelmed by what these kids are experiencing.

1678
01:34:52,720 --> 01:34:55,880
Speaker 7: What they're experiencing is something no child should ever have

1679
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:59,679
Speaker 7: to experience, and actually no child has experienced what they're

1680
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:04,439
Speaker 7: experience and saying they live in tents almost every night

1681
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:06,840
Speaker 7: of the year, they listen to two hundred and fifty

1682
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 7: pound bombs, five hundred pound bombs, and sometimes two thousand

1683
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:14,519
Speaker 7: pound bombs landing near them. They have friends that have

1684
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 7: been killed and they don't know when their time will be,

1685
01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:23,240
Speaker 7: but they just continue. So you know, you can see

1686
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:28,639
Speaker 7: them smiling and cheerful, and it's almost amazing because none

1687
01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:31,679
Speaker 7: of these kids have had protein for a month or two,

1688
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:34,760
Speaker 7: and none of them have had They may mainly eat

1689
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:36,760
Speaker 7: but one time a week at one time a day,

1690
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:40,000
Speaker 7: but they still smile. So you're struck by that.

1691
01:35:40,439 --> 01:35:44,240
Speaker 4: And is it bread? Like, what's the what's the thing

1692
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:46,439
Speaker 4: that they're able to get the most?

1693
01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:50,080
Speaker 7: There really isn't anything that you can count on. It

1694
01:35:50,200 --> 01:35:53,680
Speaker 7: just depends on what these eraarly authorities will allow in

1695
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:58,200
Speaker 7: and it's sort of idiosyncratic. It just sort of happens,

1696
01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:00,920
Speaker 7: you know, sort of sometimes there'll be enough food in

1697
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:03,280
Speaker 7: the markets, and sometimes there won't. Sometimes the food will

1698
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:05,400
Speaker 7: be very expensive in the markets, and sometimes it won't.

1699
01:36:05,479 --> 01:36:08,400
Speaker 7: So there's no rhyme or reason to any of it,

1700
01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:11,120
Speaker 7: you know, I sort of I've told you I think

1701
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:14,760
Speaker 7: from the beginning that the essentially the Israeli government has

1702
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:18,400
Speaker 7: decided they don't necessarily want to kill everybody at once

1703
01:36:18,439 --> 01:36:20,439
Speaker 7: because they think it's probably not something they can get

1704
01:36:20,439 --> 01:36:22,599
Speaker 7: away with. But what they do is allow sort of

1705
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:27,240
Speaker 7: the minimum calorie counting. So you know, people are just

1706
01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:30,479
Speaker 7: getting by on whatever whatever is available that day, a

1707
01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:34,519
Speaker 7: lot of dry goods, you know, sort of canned canned stuff,

1708
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:38,559
Speaker 7: but it's you know, it's nothing. I don't know, it's

1709
01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:41,519
Speaker 7: nothing anyone, you know, sort of any of your viewers

1710
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:44,240
Speaker 7: would be comfortable with or I don't know how many

1711
01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:45,680
Speaker 7: people would survive in the US on this.

1712
01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:48,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then I'll let Emily let you jump in

1713
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:51,080
Speaker 4: one quitch. So shortly, yeah, shortly after October seventh, you

1714
01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:54,160
Speaker 4: would you would told me as as Israel unleashed, it's

1715
01:36:54,200 --> 01:37:00,519
Speaker 4: its response what you thought their plan was. And now

1716
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:03,880
Speaker 4: here we are a year and a half later, and

1717
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:08,519
Speaker 4: it feels like everything is going according to the plan

1718
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:12,400
Speaker 4: that you kind of you thought that they were playing

1719
01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:14,960
Speaker 4: out at the time, what it and and so I

1720
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:18,759
Speaker 4: think that that kind of gives your assessment an extra

1721
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:21,599
Speaker 4: layer of credibility because it's it's really been born out

1722
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:25,160
Speaker 4: the last year and a half. What what what did

1723
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:27,280
Speaker 4: you see coming? And what have you seen unfold?

1724
01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:27,880
Speaker 3: Well?

1725
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:32,920
Speaker 7: I think very clearly Israeli government wants all Palestinians out

1726
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:35,280
Speaker 7: right like uh, and they can't do it all at once,

1727
01:37:36,280 --> 01:37:40,599
Speaker 7: so they have created conditions that are unlivable and at

1728
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:43,280
Speaker 7: some points and I they will and I think all

1729
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:45,880
Speaker 7: American officials are aware of this, and all probably all

1730
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:48,599
Speaker 7: European officials are aware of this, because it's just it's

1731
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:49,519
Speaker 7: pretty black and white.

1732
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:51,800
Speaker 5: You know.

1733
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:53,760
Speaker 7: They don't want to kill everybody, They just want everybody out.

1734
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:57,960
Speaker 7: So they've they've killed plenty of people, and people are

1735
01:37:57,960 --> 01:38:00,840
Speaker 7: living under horrible conditions, and they just want to get

1736
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:03,479
Speaker 7: rid of all Palestinians from Gaza in the West Bank

1737
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:06,559
Speaker 7: and sort of remake Judaea and Samaria. And I think

1738
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:09,519
Speaker 7: that's you know, that's Prime Minister not know who's plan.

1739
01:38:09,600 --> 01:38:13,519
Speaker 7: I mean, it's just very clear. So I suppose now

1740
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:16,240
Speaker 7: that will be up to President Trump to decide whether

1741
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 7: that's going to happen or not. You know, I don't know,

1742
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:23,120
Speaker 7: Like it's like a there really aren't any world leaders

1743
01:38:23,120 --> 01:38:25,960
Speaker 7: who seem to they've sort of been detached from any

1744
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:31,559
Speaker 7: sort of empathy of the situation because what the situation inside,

1745
01:38:32,240 --> 01:38:35,440
Speaker 7: it's truly unlivable. I mean, it's sort of bombs, NonStop,

1746
01:38:36,040 --> 01:38:40,679
Speaker 7: artillery NonStop, F fifteen's, F sixteens, F thirty fives dropping

1747
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:44,879
Speaker 7: massive bombs. You're sort of every fifteen minutes, you're shaking

1748
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:47,360
Speaker 7: the you know, whatever wherever you're staying. If you're in

1749
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:49,959
Speaker 7: a tent, it's shaking, if you're in some kind of structure,

1750
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:54,320
Speaker 7: it's shaking. And you know, the trauma is just unimaginable.

1751
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:57,920
Speaker 5: If you were to sure you have but talk to

1752
01:38:58,200 --> 01:39:02,200
Speaker 5: American officials, let's say Opera and good faith and tell

1753
01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:06,960
Speaker 5: them or persuade them that it is possible to not

1754
01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:09,760
Speaker 5: just provide the minimum calori account, but to bring in

1755
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:12,640
Speaker 5: more food to make the situation for people living in

1756
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:18,879
Speaker 5: Gosam more livable while also protecting their security concerns. For instance,

1757
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:20,720
Speaker 5: what would you tell them, How would you explain to

1758
01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:24,920
Speaker 5: them that it is possible to feed these children and

1759
01:39:25,400 --> 01:39:28,439
Speaker 5: also like just bring in more aid. Maybe you have

1760
01:39:28,479 --> 01:39:29,600
Speaker 5: had those conversations.

1761
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:32,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it is possible. I've done it in Ukraine,

1762
01:39:32,520 --> 01:39:35,280
Speaker 7: right like, so they you know, the Russians don't bomb

1763
01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:38,800
Speaker 7: all the border crossings and they don't bomb all the

1764
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:43,720
Speaker 7: food trucks. I think this administration just doesn't care, right like.

1765
01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:46,960
Speaker 7: So it's just not you know, they'll just lying about

1766
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:49,280
Speaker 7: well everywhere out of their mouth is just lying. So

1767
01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:51,840
Speaker 7: I'm hope, I'm optimistic that maybe priced and travel will

1768
01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:54,400
Speaker 7: will not want to see these images and not want

1769
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:57,880
Speaker 7: to see this this situation and you know, sort of

1770
01:40:00,040 --> 01:40:03,080
Speaker 7: earned babies and little kids in their tent sleeping and

1771
01:40:03,120 --> 01:40:05,160
Speaker 7: then you know, sort of next thing, you know, they're dead.

1772
01:40:05,680 --> 01:40:08,720
Speaker 7: You know, I don't know. But for yeah, for American officials,

1773
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:11,760
Speaker 7: let's say middle level American officials, yeah, I think they're

1774
01:40:11,800 --> 01:40:14,559
Speaker 7: all horrified by what's going on. They know what's going on,

1775
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:18,920
Speaker 7: they see the briefings, but you know, the decision makers

1776
01:40:18,920 --> 01:40:20,880
Speaker 7: and the Biden administration just don't care. You know, they're

1777
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:23,160
Speaker 7: just just very dishonest about all of it. They know

1778
01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:25,120
Speaker 7: exactly the numbers that have gone in, they know how

1779
01:40:25,120 --> 01:40:26,720
Speaker 7: many people, they know what it takes to keep these

1780
01:40:26,720 --> 01:40:30,599
Speaker 7: people fed and healthy. I mean, you're looking at one

1781
01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:33,120
Speaker 7: point one one point two million children, it's over fifty

1782
01:40:33,120 --> 01:40:36,439
Speaker 7: percent of the population. What what security risk of these

1783
01:40:36,479 --> 01:40:41,280
Speaker 7: little girls, you know, sort of hold against the Israelis,

1784
01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:44,000
Speaker 7: Like you know, it's just it's mind boggling all the

1785
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:47,160
Speaker 7: I try not to pay attention on the stuff that

1786
01:40:47,240 --> 01:40:50,280
Speaker 7: comes out of the like sort of the armshair quarterbacks

1787
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:53,960
Speaker 7: and the conference goers and but I mean, it's all

1788
01:40:54,040 --> 01:40:56,439
Speaker 7: it's all nonsense. Like you know, I challenge all of

1789
01:40:56,479 --> 01:40:58,000
Speaker 7: them or any of them to come to guys and

1790
01:40:58,160 --> 01:41:01,000
Speaker 7: spend forty eight hours see if they number one make

1791
01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:04,280
Speaker 7: it out alive. And number two are still repeating these

1792
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:08,599
Speaker 7: idiotic talking points about human shields and security and et cetera.

1793
01:41:09,680 --> 01:41:13,040
Speaker 5: Right, or about you know, smuggling things that can be

1794
01:41:13,080 --> 01:41:16,320
Speaker 5: turned into weapons through the food shipments or what's another

1795
01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:20,719
Speaker 5: example like the Hamas hoarding everything that gets into Gaza.

1796
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:23,240
Speaker 5: From your perspective, you would say, if you go on

1797
01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:27,880
Speaker 5: the ground, it's entirely possible for the United States to

1798
01:41:28,120 --> 01:41:31,679
Speaker 5: back humanitarian aid that's done in a way that gets

1799
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:34,360
Speaker 5: to the children, and that.

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01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:35,360
Speaker 7: I mean, to be honest with you, I could do

1801
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:37,800
Speaker 7: it myself, Like you know, with a sort of group

1802
01:41:37,880 --> 01:41:41,240
Speaker 7: of collaborators, don't even need the United States just make

1803
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:43,320
Speaker 7: a mess of the whole situation. But yeah, it's not

1804
01:41:43,400 --> 01:41:45,439
Speaker 7: complex at all. There's nothing. Don't let anyone tell you

1805
01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:49,000
Speaker 7: it's complex. I've done it. I've delivered humanitarian assistance to

1806
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:51,880
Speaker 7: every war zone the last twenty five years. It's it's

1807
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:54,280
Speaker 7: very doable. I mean, it's just just a matter of

1808
01:41:54,280 --> 01:41:56,960
Speaker 7: whether you're going to, you know, kill everybody delivering a

1809
01:41:57,000 --> 01:42:02,599
Speaker 7: humanitarian assistance. It's just a decision someone may but anything,

1810
01:42:03,080 --> 01:42:04,600
Speaker 7: it would be done, It would be able to, it

1811
01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:05,839
Speaker 7: would be easily done.

1812
01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:07,680
Speaker 5: Have you been in touch with any people in the

1813
01:42:07,680 --> 01:42:12,839
Speaker 5: incoming administration or try to get I mean no, Trum don't.

1814
01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:14,200
Speaker 7: Really know anyone. I mean, like, I'm not you know,

1815
01:42:14,439 --> 01:42:16,240
Speaker 7: I'm out here in the world. I'm not really just

1816
01:42:17,120 --> 01:42:18,760
Speaker 7: I mean, it's sort of maybe my weakness is I

1817
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:22,439
Speaker 7: don't I don't go to cocktail parties or sleazy hotel

1818
01:42:22,479 --> 01:42:25,240
Speaker 7: bars and stuff. So I mean that's where all these

1819
01:42:25,240 --> 01:42:28,559
Speaker 7: people hang out. I guess I don't really they don't

1820
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:31,840
Speaker 7: really run into me. H. In places like the front

1821
01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:34,800
Speaker 7: line in Ukraine or Gaza, Syria. In this place, you

1822
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:36,840
Speaker 7: don't really see these kind of people around, so I

1823
01:42:36,840 --> 01:42:39,439
Speaker 7: don't know, you know, I don't I try to get

1824
01:42:39,439 --> 01:42:40,120
Speaker 7: the message out.

1825
01:42:40,360 --> 01:42:42,160
Speaker 4: Can can you give us some examples of because I've

1826
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:45,000
Speaker 4: been following your attempt to like get this shipment in

1827
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:48,439
Speaker 4: and some other shipments in over over months and months

1828
01:42:48,479 --> 01:42:52,000
Speaker 4: and months, can you give people some examples of the

1829
01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:56,280
Speaker 4: kind of hold ups that you want wound up getting

1830
01:42:56,840 --> 01:42:59,360
Speaker 4: along along the way and right.

1831
01:42:59,479 --> 01:43:03,639
Speaker 7: So then, yeah, I mean it's a good question. Essentially,

1832
01:43:03,720 --> 01:43:07,160
Speaker 7: I made a decision, Well, WFP is great on the

1833
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:11,519
Speaker 7: food and that's their mandate and they do that. I

1834
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:13,720
Speaker 7: sort of did a survey in Gaza and understood that

1835
01:43:14,360 --> 01:43:18,840
Speaker 7: there were specific medicines that were not getting into Gaza

1836
01:43:18,920 --> 01:43:22,519
Speaker 7: for whatever reason, and I decided to go and source them.

1837
01:43:23,320 --> 01:43:27,720
Speaker 7: And I purchased medicines around Europe, and you know, a

1838
01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:29,760
Speaker 7: few containers worth of medicines. And I've done this a

1839
01:43:29,800 --> 01:43:32,799
Speaker 7: few times. And there's a process through the Israeli government.

1840
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:35,800
Speaker 7: It's the Israeli government agencies called CogAT, which I think

1841
01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:40,120
Speaker 7: you know that everything has to go through COGAD. So

1842
01:43:41,240 --> 01:43:44,680
Speaker 7: I apply through CogAT and say, look this is what

1843
01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:46,880
Speaker 7: I have, this is where I purchased it from this

1844
01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:48,960
Speaker 7: is where it was made. This is how much it costs.

1845
01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:51,400
Speaker 7: This is how much each item is. This is what's

1846
01:43:51,439 --> 01:43:53,640
Speaker 7: in this box. This is what's in this box, and

1847
01:43:53,720 --> 01:43:55,640
Speaker 7: this is palette number this and everything has to be

1848
01:43:56,280 --> 01:43:59,240
Speaker 7: totally itemized, and you know, sort of they approve it,

1849
01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:04,640
Speaker 7: and then it's just a long process of getting the

1850
01:44:04,680 --> 01:44:08,679
Speaker 7: actual stuff physically in. So in my case, one time,

1851
01:44:08,720 --> 01:44:10,800
Speaker 7: I tried to send it over you know, like I'm

1852
01:44:10,840 --> 01:44:14,000
Speaker 7: gonna somehow still optimistic to try to make things work.

1853
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:16,160
Speaker 7: So on one of the shipments, I tried to send

1854
01:44:16,160 --> 01:44:19,639
Speaker 7: it over Jaylots, the Joint Logistics over the shore, which

1855
01:44:19,680 --> 01:44:23,160
Speaker 7: was the pier that the United States government tried to tried

1856
01:44:23,280 --> 01:44:30,599
Speaker 7: to work. Yeah, and and it didn't. Yeah, it actually

1857
01:44:30,640 --> 01:44:34,320
Speaker 7: went and then was stuck by the next to the pier,

1858
01:44:34,360 --> 01:44:36,519
Speaker 7: and then the pier closed, and so then I had

1859
01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:38,760
Speaker 7: to look for another solution and wound up shipping it

1860
01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:44,559
Speaker 7: from Cyprus, where where the Jaylots was based, to ash Dot, Israel.

1861
01:44:45,400 --> 01:44:47,360
Speaker 7: And then there's just a process like the ship, the

1862
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:49,920
Speaker 7: stuff's on the ship, the ship has to be cleared

1863
01:44:50,280 --> 01:44:53,000
Speaker 7: to come into port. That's a few days. Then the

1864
01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:55,360
Speaker 7: ship had the stuff has to be cleared to unload

1865
01:44:55,400 --> 01:44:57,800
Speaker 7: off the port. That's another few days, and this sort

1866
01:44:57,800 --> 01:45:00,599
Speaker 7: of things like it's it's just not something anyone has

1867
01:45:00,640 --> 01:45:04,439
Speaker 7: really taken too seriously. In the United States government really

1868
01:45:04,439 --> 01:45:06,640
Speaker 7: cares about to be honest with you, because you know,

1869
01:45:06,680 --> 01:45:08,160
Speaker 7: and this is all urgent stuff.

1870
01:45:08,200 --> 01:45:11,880
Speaker 4: Any of that normal when it comes to humanitarian relief.

1871
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:14,800
Speaker 7: No, of course not. You know, sort of if you

1872
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:17,559
Speaker 7: need this stuff, you need to get it in right,

1873
01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:20,280
Speaker 7: like there's no you know what it is, you know

1874
01:45:20,360 --> 01:45:23,000
Speaker 7: exactly every detail. You know how much I paid for it,

1875
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:24,879
Speaker 7: you know how I paid for it, Like I provide

1876
01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:28,640
Speaker 7: like bank account like everything, and you know, it's just

1877
01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:32,759
Speaker 7: like one reason after another too. You know, one day

1878
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:36,200
Speaker 7: the truck's about to go in and the generator breaks

1879
01:45:36,240 --> 01:45:38,320
Speaker 7: at one of the borders, and I'm like, this is

1880
01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:40,280
Speaker 7: one of the most sophisticated countries in the world and

1881
01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:43,200
Speaker 7: their generator broken. Now the borter is closed, you know. So,

1882
01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:44,960
Speaker 7: I mean, I got lots of stories that I won't

1883
01:45:44,960 --> 01:45:47,599
Speaker 7: board you with. It's kind of ridiculous if you get

1884
01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:49,320
Speaker 7: into the my new show, like I think, I try

1885
01:45:49,320 --> 01:45:51,439
Speaker 7: to forget all the stuff that happens because I might,

1886
01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:53,360
Speaker 7: you know, sort of just get depressed.

1887
01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:56,559
Speaker 5: That's actually really interesting. I think we would welcome many

1888
01:45:56,560 --> 01:45:58,559
Speaker 5: examples of that, people bored by them. And maybe i'm

1889
01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:01,439
Speaker 5: you could also flesh out the parallel that you're talking

1890
01:46:01,439 --> 01:46:04,439
Speaker 5: about with Ukraine is a great example right now, because

1891
01:46:04,479 --> 01:46:08,120
Speaker 5: the same people who are, you know, saying Israel has

1892
01:46:08,240 --> 01:46:11,479
Speaker 5: to do this, would would say the opposite about Putin.

1893
01:46:12,720 --> 01:46:14,880
Speaker 5: If you could maybe flesh out what you've seen, like

1894
01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:18,360
Speaker 5: the ability to get humanitarian aid to people over there,

1895
01:46:19,080 --> 01:46:19,639
Speaker 5: that would.

1896
01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:20,160
Speaker 3: Be It's easy.

1897
01:46:20,200 --> 01:46:23,040
Speaker 7: And Ukraine is very easy because there the borders are open,

1898
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:26,280
Speaker 7: you know, not the Russian border and not the Belarus border,

1899
01:46:26,320 --> 01:46:30,920
Speaker 7: but you have Poland, you have Hungary, Slovakia, Romania, Moldova,

1900
01:46:31,479 --> 01:46:33,680
Speaker 7: and those are all relatively friendly countries and there are

1901
01:46:33,680 --> 01:46:35,280
Speaker 7: no issues. You can get whatever you want. You know,

1902
01:46:35,400 --> 01:46:37,599
Speaker 7: do you declare it. There's a process, but it goes

1903
01:46:37,680 --> 01:46:40,800
Speaker 7: right over and into wherever it's needed. In the case

1904
01:46:40,840 --> 01:46:43,400
Speaker 7: of Gaza, and like I said, there's nothing, there's no

1905
01:46:43,720 --> 01:46:46,519
Speaker 7: carollary for Gaza. There's never been a situation where all

1906
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:50,639
Speaker 7: the borders are closed and one entity controls what goes

1907
01:46:50,640 --> 01:46:53,240
Speaker 7: in or out. And so I sort of say, and

1908
01:46:53,280 --> 01:46:54,880
Speaker 7: you know, people take this the wrong way, but I

1909
01:46:54,920 --> 01:46:57,320
Speaker 7: sort of say it's as if the Russians, if you

1910
01:46:57,320 --> 01:46:59,080
Speaker 7: want to think about Gaza, it's as if the Russians

1911
01:46:59,080 --> 01:47:02,599
Speaker 7: controlled all the border, so they controlled Poland and Hungary

1912
01:47:02,680 --> 01:47:05,960
Speaker 7: and Slovakia and Romania, like they controlled what was going

1913
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:09,200
Speaker 7: And I mean they could, they literally could bomb those borders,

1914
01:47:09,200 --> 01:47:13,120
Speaker 7: but they don't. But in the situation of Gaza, there's

1915
01:47:13,160 --> 01:47:16,519
Speaker 7: just no there's no other way to get anything in

1916
01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:21,240
Speaker 7: other than through Israel and through you know, sort of

1917
01:47:21,240 --> 01:47:23,320
Speaker 7: the good graces of the Israeli authorities. And I think

1918
01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:25,519
Speaker 7: there are some good actors in the Israeli government, but

1919
01:47:25,640 --> 01:47:28,439
Speaker 7: you know, they have their marching orders, and their marching

1920
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:32,360
Speaker 7: orders are very clearly let the absolute minim in and

1921
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:35,160
Speaker 7: no one's pushing us. And you know, the Biden administration

1922
01:47:35,200 --> 01:47:38,040
Speaker 7: again just you know, fumbled whatever leverage they had, and

1923
01:47:38,080 --> 01:47:41,759
Speaker 7: they have all the leverage because two to three Giant

1924
01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:44,960
Speaker 7: Air Force planes land full of weapons every day for

1925
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:48,680
Speaker 7: the last over a year. But they just never pushed in.

1926
01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:50,920
Speaker 7: So these Raelies understand like, look, this is not important

1927
01:47:50,920 --> 01:47:53,920
Speaker 7: to the United States, so we'll just we'll keep doing

1928
01:47:54,479 --> 01:47:55,080
Speaker 7: what we're doing.

1929
01:47:57,800 --> 01:47:59,880
Speaker 4: Can you since you've spent so much time in Ukraine,

1930
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:07,720
Speaker 4: can you compare how Israel approaches Palestinian civilian infrastructure and

1931
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:11,280
Speaker 4: how Putin approaches Ukrainian civilian infrastructure.

1932
01:48:12,160 --> 01:48:16,439
Speaker 7: I mean, there are some similarities, but you know, there's

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Speaker 7: literally nothing left in Gaza. I mean, you see my videos,

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Speaker 7: like there's literally essentially when you enter Karm Shalom ironically

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Speaker 7: named border crossing, you drive along side of Gaza in Israel.

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Speaker 7: So to your right as you're driving south is Gaza.

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Speaker 7: On to your left is Israel, and your sort of

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Speaker 7: life is normal, and they're shopping malls and gas stations,

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Speaker 7: et cetera. And when you enter a Kram Shalom, they're

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Speaker 7: giant reinforced walls thirty feet high that are one after another,

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Speaker 7: and so you sort of zigzag through these walls, and

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Speaker 7: once you've crossed those walls, all you see is devastation.

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Speaker 7: As soon as you enter, it's just rubble in every direction,

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Speaker 7: and the first thing you see are kids playing in

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Speaker 7: the rubble, and so there's no carllary for that. I

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Speaker 7: you know, it's kind of wild that the amount of

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Speaker 7: rubble in Gaza, which is the size of Philadelphia or

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Speaker 7: Las Vegas, is I think twice to three times the

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Speaker 7: amount of rubble that's in Ukraine, which is the size

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Speaker 7: of Texas, you know, and the Wars three years old

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Speaker 7: in Ukraine, so there's it's actually I tell the Ukrainians

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Speaker 7: that I come there to uh I recently went directly

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Speaker 7: from Gaza to Ukraine, and I said, and I actually

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Speaker 7: went to the front and I said, you know, I'm

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Speaker 7: here to relax after Gaza. So that was everybody laughed,

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Speaker 7: because what else do you do?

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, because you had sent me one video from

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Speaker 4: a place where were sleeping where that it's just this

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Speaker 4: seemed like the windows were rattling all night long.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's bombs.

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Speaker 7: It's the GPU thirty GBU thirty nine. It's a glided

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Speaker 7: glided air bomb that has electronics on it, which you know,

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Speaker 7: you can guide it. They're just massive bombs and they

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Speaker 7: just drop them over and over and over again, and

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Speaker 7: every no matter where you're sleeping, you'll hear them all

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Speaker 7: night long, and they shake the ground and they shake everything,

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Speaker 7: and you know, essentially the what they do is if

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Speaker 7: there's a guy they're looking for who they think is humas,

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Speaker 7: if anyone's around that guy, he's dead or she's dead,

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Speaker 7: or the four year old kid is dead, and you know,

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Speaker 7: sort of these bombs, aren't you know, checking people's IDs.

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Speaker 7: They're just killing.

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Speaker 3: The New York Times just confirmed in that long investigation.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's it's indisputable, like literally, you know,

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Speaker 7: sort of there's nothing precise about any of it. They

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Speaker 7: could be precise if they wanted to, and sort of

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Speaker 7: you know, when you're driving around Daza, it's it's like

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Speaker 7: kind of like in your thoughts because if some sort

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Speaker 7: of character that they're looking for happens to wind up

1980
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Speaker 7: next to your car, you're got. They're not you know,

1981
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Speaker 7: they're not really asking questions or confirming or any and

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Speaker 7: that's just that's that's you know, like literally nobody can

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Speaker 7: deny this. And again the entire United States decision making

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Speaker 7: authority knows this, and that's just the way it is.

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Speaker 7: So there's no Carol Area. Actually the Russians don't do.

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Speaker 7: I mean, they they've killed plenty of civilians, but it's

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Speaker 7: just a different level.

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Speaker 4: If the Israeli goal is to depopulate Gaza, why don't

1989
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Speaker 4: they let at least the injured people out. I think

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Speaker 4: they're working across purposes to that goal.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think it's part of the plan, right, Like

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Speaker 7: you get the people so desperate to the point where

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Speaker 7: once you you know, sort of move onto that mechanism

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Speaker 7: of getting everybody out, then everybody just goes. But until

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Speaker 7: that point, you're going to make life as miserable as

1996
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Speaker 7: possible for everything. So we have the situation now where

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Speaker 7: they're between. I mean, they're probably about ten thousand kids

1998
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Speaker 7: who either have pre existing conditions like cancer or have

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Speaker 7: been injured significantly and can't get out.

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Speaker 8: And there is a.

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Speaker 7: Process with the World Health Organization to get people out,

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Speaker 7: and these reelis will sort of approve five to ten

2003
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Speaker 7: percent of the cases. And you know, I know these cases.

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Speaker 7: I've seen these kids and they're literally sitting in a

2005
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Speaker 7: tent with no chemotherapy, just just dying. And their case

2006
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Speaker 7: was rejected and you don't get an answer as to

2007
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Speaker 7: why it was rejected. And again this is another failure

2008
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Speaker 7: of the US administration. And sort of it's like they

2009
01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:25,840
Speaker 7: just don't care, right, Like there's no other answer for it.

2010
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Speaker 7: Why would you, why would you, let you know, five, ten,

2011
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Speaker 7: fifteen thousand kids who are in urgent need of medical

2012
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Speaker 7: care and can be evacuated out just sit there. But

2013
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Speaker 7: you know, it's across the board, like there's no blood

2014
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Speaker 7: pressure medication, so people just die of heart attacks in

2015
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Speaker 7: their tents. It's on and on and on and on.

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Speaker 5: Well, I was just gonna ask, like a hypothetical, if

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Speaker 5: President Ryan Grimm were being inaugurated on January twentieth, is

2018
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Speaker 5: it on the humanitarian front, not the military front, but

2019
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Speaker 5: on the humanitarian front. Is it in the power of

2020
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Speaker 5: an incoming United States administration almost flip a switch on

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Speaker 5: the humanitarian stuff and use the leverage and say you

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Speaker 5: are letting these in. Like, how theoretically simple would it

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Speaker 5: be if someone wanted to, you know, increase humanity the

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Speaker 5: input of humanitarian aid.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, if you decided that you don't want little kids

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Speaker 7: to be suffering twenty four to seven, you could scale

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Speaker 7: up madame humanitarian aid in days. The United States government

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Speaker 7: knows exactly what the needs are, you know, the United

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Speaker 7: Nations knows exactly what the needs are, what the calorie

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Speaker 7: count is, medicine, et cetera. And it could happen immediately.

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Speaker 7: I mean, the resources are out there, the stuff's out there,

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Speaker 7: and you would just tell the Israelis, look, I can't

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Speaker 7: abide by this, this is wrong, and and and change

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Speaker 7: it tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Literally, Well, I'm Ed. I always appreciate your insights and

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Speaker 4: also what you're doing for the people of Gaza, and

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Speaker 4: thank you, thank you so much for joining us. Anything

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Speaker 4: else you'd want to add for people.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, you know, like I think people are

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Speaker 7: frustrated and trying to figure out how they can help

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Speaker 7: and what they can do, and I think they should

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Speaker 7: just keep keep at it. It's it's tough, it's really

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Speaker 7: it's really sad. But the people in Gaza appreciate them.

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Speaker 7: They they they hear them, They understand that there are

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Speaker 7: people with them that feel their their their plight, that

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Speaker 7: are aware of them, and I think people just need

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Speaker 7: to really just push the the decision makers. Unfortunately, we're

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Speaker 7: at a point in this world where there are just

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Speaker 7: no world leaders who really you know, there's just there's

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Speaker 7: no empathy. It's just sort of apathy, I suppose. And

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Speaker 7: you know, there are certain things like would regard to

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Speaker 7: the children's evacuations, that's something that has to happen, increasing

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Speaker 7: the amount of humanitarian aid. It has to happen. Is

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Speaker 7: again the population. You know, when they keep talking about

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Speaker 7: Hamas Hamas, it's like they're about twenty thousand before like

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Speaker 7: fifteen months ago. There were let's say, twenty thousand Hamas

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Speaker 7: soldiers or whatever you want to call them. I don't

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Speaker 7: know how many there are now, but you're it's a

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Speaker 7: war against women and children. Essentially seventy percent of the

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Speaker 7: population are women and children. So and literally when you

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01:55:21,320 --> 01:55:25,840
Speaker 7: drive around Gayza, you just see children like that's the

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Speaker 7: thing you're struck in, just rubble in children and you're wondering, like,

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Speaker 7: where is this? You know Humas and I'm sure they

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Speaker 7: are there, but you just don't see them. So I

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Speaker 7: tell everybody to keep the faith, and you know, we'll

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Speaker 7: we'll make a change one of these days.

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Speaker 4: We'll see I'm ed con Thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 7: Thanks Ryan, Thanks Emily.

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Speaker 4: All right, well that'll that'll do it for us today.

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Speaker 4: Thanks everybody. Also, thank you everybody for the kind words

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Speaker 4: over the last couple of weeks. It's really meant a

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Speaker 4: lot too to me and my family. I'll keep you

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Speaker 4: updated as we continue on that front. Emily, anything else.

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Speaker 5: Now, your family is amazing and all the breaking points,

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Speaker 5: subscribers and viewers are amazing.

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Speaker 3: So thank you to everybody. Thank you for supporting us

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Speaker 3: into another year, and we'll see you back here soon.

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Speaker 4: See then