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Speaker 1: You got Marshaw Be Small Lynch, Doug Hendrickson and Gavin

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Speaker 1: Newsome and you're listening to politickets.

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Speaker 3: You know to be, you known to be.

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Speaker 1: It's great to be with my partner Doug Hendrickson, and

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Speaker 1: it's great to be here on a podcast with remarkable,

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Speaker 1: remarkable advocate, activist and actress, singer, songwriter, now director of

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Speaker 1: a remarkable new documentary on Hulu called Child Star. The

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Speaker 1: one and only Demi Levado. Welcome to Politicking.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: It is great to have you. And Doug and I

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Speaker 1: were just talking earlier this morning. We both watched this documentary,

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Speaker 1: and I encourage anyone listening to get out on Hulu

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Speaker 1: and watch this documentary if you care about issues running

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Speaker 1: mental health, you care about issues associated with fame, with celebrity,

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Speaker 1: if you care about just the larger human condition in

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Speaker 1: a world where we're so inundated with social media and

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Speaker 1: we're constantly, constantly being reminded not only of our attributes,

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Speaker 1: but often of our faults and they're reflected back on us.

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Speaker 1: And you took us on a journey of your life

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Speaker 1: and your history and Child Star, and you brought in

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Speaker 1: a lot of remarkable figures that are well known public

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Speaker 1: figures in part of that journey in a remarkable documentary

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Speaker 1: about not only your life, but their life. Tell us

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Speaker 1: a little bit about the documentary and more over what

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Speaker 1: the inspiration was for it.

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Speaker 3: Well, the documentary is basically the good, the bad, and

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Speaker 3: the ugly of child stardom. You know, this journey of

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Speaker 3: starting this documentary, it was an idea of mine that

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Speaker 3: I had probably about ten years ago, and I didn't

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Speaker 4: Until about two or three years ago.

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Speaker 3: I just was fascinated with child stardom, the effects that

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Speaker 3: it has on not only the child star but their families.

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Speaker 3: You know what it's like, and obviously I had a

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Speaker 1: And you were The film begins with your own sort

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Speaker 1: of expression of you know, the celebrity through the sort

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Speaker 1: of lens of looking at Shirley Temple and saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: one day that could be me and looking at her life.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you fell into acting at a remarkably early age, right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I was my first audition that I ever went

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Speaker 3: on was I think I was four or five years old,

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Speaker 1: At fourteen, Doug, you remember Barney back in the day,

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Speaker 2: Well, it's so I'm so fared up to have you

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Speaker 2: on politics, and I've I've probably seen camp Rock three

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Speaker 1: The real story is he doesn't watch it with his kids,

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Speaker 1: But that's a whole other conversation tell the truth.

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Speaker 2: But no, I love the doc and it's funny Demi.

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Speaker 2: As you know, I'm an NFL sports agent, and I

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Speaker 5: It because you also see it in sports.

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Speaker 2: You have so many parents and whatnot that are getting

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Speaker 2: entertainment business, because I think that there's that situation where

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Speaker 3: I've never thought of it from that perspective, but you know,

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Speaker 3: That's a really interesting perspective. I never thought of it

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Speaker 1: For you, was there that sort of dialectic? I mean,

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Speaker 3: Well, what's interesting is my mom used to be a

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Speaker 1: Do you remember the moment that you felt like a star,

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Speaker 3: And they said it's samue Levado and I was like what,

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Speaker 1: And I imagine that felt great.

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Speaker 4: At the moment, right, Yeah, it did feel good.

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Speaker 3: It felt really good because it felt like all the

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Speaker 2: Well, Demie, it's fascinating because I think everybody in the

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Speaker 2: life is, you know, champagne and roses every day, but

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Speaker 2: they don't understand the loneliness and the stuff you guys

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Speaker 5: It's in now so much of social media.

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Speaker 2: You know, when you're walking through somewhere nobody wants to hey, Demi,

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Speaker 5: And that's all I want. It's so it's so bad.

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Speaker 3: You know what's interesting is when people say, I hate

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Speaker 4: But you know, it's it's interesting.

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Speaker 3: It's like this weird dynamic between celebrity and you know,

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Speaker 3: I assume that you know exactly what this is like,

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Speaker 1: But I think with your journey, it's so it's so

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Speaker 1: why is there an empty seat?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 3: I remember performing at a concert not too far back,

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Speaker 1: What's I thought so wonderful and chime in because this

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Speaker 3: I've pretty much always been vulnerable with my fan base.

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Speaker 1: And you know, and I think the movie expresses that beautifully,

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Speaker 1: You know, Doug and I have between us, He's got

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Speaker 1: I mean, but I just I can't even imagine everything

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Speaker 3: It must be so difficult. I mean, it was difficult

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Speaker 4: I did am I old, no, thank you clap back.

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Speaker 2: The sad thing is, and it's not just for sports entertainment,

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Speaker 2: your brand's going to be built. You can't force a brand,

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Speaker 2: you can't create a brand if you're not really worthy

441
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Speaker 2: of that brand. But so many people now in every

442
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 2: industry think I can create the brand on my own

443
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 2: visa the social media, and they're going to flame out quickly.

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Speaker 5: It's a real bad recipe for disaster.

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Speaker 2: And it's sad because you're right, Gavin, we have kids

446
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Speaker 2: same age and best friends that.

447
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Speaker 5: They deal with this.

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Speaker 2: But that's what everybody in life teaches you go on

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Speaker 2: social media, Hey, how to build your brand in real

450
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Speaker 2: estate in five way, how to build your brand is right,

451
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Speaker 2: And it's a bunch of bullshit. It's really bad, but

452
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Speaker 2: that's the world we live in now.

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Speaker 3: I would love to just see so many young people

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Speaker 3: just go outside and put their feet in the grass,

455
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Speaker 3: you know, get off social media and just try to

456
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Speaker 3: be present, like live in the present moment. I'd love

457
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Speaker 3: to see kids playing outside rather than on their phones.

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Speaker 3: They're on YouTube. It's kind of a you know, a

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Speaker 3: pipe dream.

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Speaker 1: But no, I mean, you go to restaurants now and

461
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Speaker 1: you see a five year old on their iPad with

462
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Speaker 1: the rest of the family, not or or worse, you

463
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Speaker 1: see five family members and every single one of them, yes,

464
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Speaker 1: a dinner they've ordered. They don't even realize they're eating,

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Speaker 1: and they haven't talked to one another because they're all

466
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Speaker 1: on their iPhones or on their their devices. But it's

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is serious stuff. And it also connects,

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Speaker 1: Doug to what you asked me a moment ago, and

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Speaker 1: and the work and the advocacy you have done. And

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Speaker 1: I was honored to be able to sign a bill

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Speaker 1: that you've been have a cating for for some time.

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Speaker 1: And I want to bring us back before I talk

473
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Speaker 1: about the bill we just signed to a different time

474
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Speaker 1: in the nineteen twenties and very famous at the time,

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Speaker 1: perhaps the most famous child actor Jackie Coogan, back in

476
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Speaker 1: the Chaplain days and Cougan was a phenom made a

477
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Speaker 1: fortune in his day, but was left with what with

478
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Speaker 1: nothing because he wasn't protected. And they created a law

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Speaker 1: in California called Cougan's Law, which did what Basically, it.

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Speaker 3: Takes a percentage of your money and puts it in

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Speaker 3: a trust so that when you turn eighteen, you know

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Speaker 3: you have this amount of money that hasn't been touched

483
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Speaker 3: by anyone and it's all yours.

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Speaker 1: When you were you you were a beneficiary. I assume

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Speaker 1: of that in California.

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Speaker 3: Well, they had it in I believe they have it

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Speaker 3: in Texas, right, And I had it in Texas and

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Speaker 3: for the Barney days and then yes, when I came

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Speaker 3: out to California to work on Disney, and I.

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Speaker 1: Thought, the only reason I'm bringing this up. It's interesting

491
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Speaker 1: when you talk to Keenan Thompson, he didn't have that

492
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Speaker 1: because he was in Florida, right, and they didn't have

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Speaker 1: the benefits of that law. And so he talks about

494
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Speaker 1: in your documentary going from rags to riches to rags. Yeah,

495
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Speaker 1: because he wasn't protected. Thus the law we just signed

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Speaker 1: that you've been advocating for in a recognition of this

497
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Speaker 1: journey for child stars and content creators. We just amended

498
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Speaker 1: in California, with your advocacy and your leadership, Coogan's Law

499
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Speaker 1: to include content creators, to associate it with all online

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Speaker 1: contributions kids are making, to make sure we put aside

501
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Speaker 1: money in a trust that will be there for them

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Speaker 1: when they turn eighteen.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, you have to think about you know, there's

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Speaker 3: so there's so many there's so much money being made

505
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Speaker 3: on social media, and how many you have to think

506
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Speaker 3: about how many kids are unboxing toys or there on TikTok,

507
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 3: or they're in their family.

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Speaker 1: Ryan kid? Is that? Yeah, Doug, you've seen this guy Ryan. Yes,

509
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Speaker 1: he's one of.

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Speaker 4: The I mean they give millions of dollars.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we're gonna end up working for this kid.

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Speaker 1: But I mean he's still a kid. But he's a

513
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Speaker 1: perfect example YouTube sensation. And uh and you know we

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Speaker 1: I mean, I assume his parents are taking care of him.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't want to judge, but now

516
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: they have to. Now they have to on the basis

517
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Speaker 1: of the law.

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Speaker 3: We just yes, which is incredible. And I'm so grateful

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Speaker 3: that you signed that into law.

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Speaker 1: No, well, I'm grateful for you and in a big part. Again,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to keep bragging on this damn documentary. I'm serious.

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Speaker 5: Oh no, good. You should be so.

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Speaker 1: Proud of it because you highlight this and you highlight

524
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Speaker 1: this inequity. But it's also about parents too, and I

525
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,239
Speaker 1: thought that was really interesting. And Doug Doug and are

526
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 1: old friends with Chris Columbus, a good Bay Area kid

527
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Speaker 1: who's the best. I'm so glad he was in one

528
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: of the great directors of our time, and you know,

529
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Speaker 1: did Home Alone and obviously the first few Harry Potters.

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Speaker 1: But you talked to him and it was interesting in

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Speaker 1: the documentary he talked about casting not just.

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Speaker 4: Kids, but the family.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, casting parents, casting the broader family members.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I guess what had happened when Home Alone blew up?

536
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Speaker 3: Was nobody predicted the success that it would have. You know,

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Speaker 3: with Harry Potter, you kind of you had an inkling

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Speaker 3: because of how huge the books were, but with.

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Speaker 4: Home Alone, you didn't.

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Speaker 3: They didn't know that the film was going to be

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Speaker 3: as big as it was. And Macaulay Colchin became a

542
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 3: huge star overnight, but he didn't cast the family. He

543
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 3: casted Macaulay Colchin, and so I guess there was. There

544
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 3: was a lot of turmoil, family turmoil, and so moving forward,

545
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Speaker 3: he talked about casting the family so that you know,

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Speaker 3: it would provide a good environment for the child when

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Speaker 3: they you know, blew up.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's so and I just it goes

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Speaker 1: to that whole issue of parents and and and the

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Speaker 1: pressure that that kids must feel, and the pressure of

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Speaker 1: the parents and a lot of I'm sure you've seen

552
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Speaker 1: it with a lot of your co stars over the years,

553
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Speaker 1: some very active parents that were pretty I imagine, some

554
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Speaker 1: very aggressive, some unbelievably loving and supportive.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's interesting because when I was growing up,

556
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Speaker 3: we were always taught that like, the easier you are

557
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Speaker 3: to work.

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Speaker 4: With, the more jobs you get.

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Speaker 3: And a part of that came with my mom being

560
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Speaker 3: easy to work with, and so she was very you know,

561
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Speaker 3: she wanted to be easy to work with so that

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Speaker 3: I would have more jobs.

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Speaker 1: The whole parents and goes back to the point you

564
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: were making it just about sports and how parents are

565
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Speaker 1: living their lives through their kids and the pressure that

566
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Speaker 1: places on the kids. The same time, I.

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Speaker 5: Mean, let me ask a question.

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Speaker 2: When this bill came to mind for you, was it

569
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Speaker 2: just has this been in the years in the making,

570
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Speaker 2: or what inspires you to say, you know what, I

571
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Speaker 2: want to create this bill and I want to figure

572
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Speaker 2: out how to do it and then the steps you

573
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Speaker 2: had to take to actually get it on the governor's desk.

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Speaker 4: Well, I didn't create this bill.

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Speaker 3: The way that I found out about this bill was

576
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Speaker 3: through an activist named Chris McCarty who I met while

577
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Speaker 3: making the film, and.

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Speaker 4: They told me about this bill.

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Speaker 3: They had actually been working on legislation that tried to

580
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Speaker 3: get past in Washington and Washington State, and you know,

581
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Speaker 3: so that's where I first came. That's why I first

582
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 3: heard of this bill. And and yeah, I basically I

583
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Speaker 3: went on Fallon and I said, Gavin, you gotta sign this.

584
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Speaker 1: Was a tagging me Doug on Fallon. She's saying this

585
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Speaker 1: Newsome guy, we're going to track him down. And I

586
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Speaker 1: think Fallin also said Newsom's watching or something like Jesus

587
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Speaker 1: his next level pressure.

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Speaker 4: We had to get your intention, got it.

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Speaker 1: I'm like I got, I got all these phone calls.

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Speaker 5: You get attacked a lot, Gavin, So it's par for

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Speaker 5: the course.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, this was this is a no brainer. And

593
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Speaker 1: by the way, there's a component part of this DOUG

594
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Speaker 1: as well, which is interesting and is if parents that

595
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Speaker 1: are also monetizing their kids that are doing a lot

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Speaker 1: of the vlogging and they're doing some of the creation,

597
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: but if they use their kids and their content more

598
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Speaker 1: than thirty percent of the time, they have to take

599
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Speaker 1: sixty five percent of those earnings and putting them trust

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Speaker 1: now as well. So we're trying to protect not just

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Speaker 1: for the children, but also some of the exploitation that

602
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: may occur in some instances, not all the time, where

603
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Speaker 1: the parents are frankly taking advantage of those kids' earnings

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Speaker 1: and using the kid as content and not rewarding those

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Speaker 1: kids when they're eighteen.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is this is incredible.

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00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a beautiful thing.

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00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: And again it goes back to education, financial literacy and

609
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Speaker 2: all that.

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Speaker 5: So, Jimmy, what's next for you? What do you? I mean?

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Speaker 2: Do you I mean do you see yourself going back

612
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Speaker 2: on a tour and selling out arenas?

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Speaker 5: Do you more? Doction the works? You know? More TV shows?

614
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 5: What what is? What's inspired you the next?

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Speaker 1: Acting, directing, singing? Like whatever? I mean, seriously, I met

616
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Speaker 1: a lot going on, you got a lot going on

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Speaker 1: your activists on mental health.

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Speaker 5: There's three of us in the podcast. We could use

619
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Speaker 5: it a fourth. You might want to join a podcast.

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Speaker 1: Well, you gotta have a podcast. Everyone has a I used.

621
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Speaker 3: To have a podcast. See, I used to, and then

622
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Speaker 3: I don't know what happened with but I moved on

623
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Speaker 3: to directing.

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Speaker 4: That's what happens. You've yes, I've got how many albums.

625
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Speaker 1: You've you've done, like eight albums or.

626
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Speaker 4: Something I've actually done.

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00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 3: I believe it's this next album will be my tenth.

628
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 4: So I've worked on quite a few.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the and the genre keeps changing, the old pop,

630
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Speaker 1: and then it kind of is it go with your

631
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Speaker 1: sort of age of is your mindset? I mean, but

632
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: you keep changing your style a little bit.

633
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 4: I keep changing my style.

634
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 3: I like to keep it fresh, you know.

635
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: So the next one reggae or something? What do you got?

636
00:32:58,520 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 4: I don't know.

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00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: You'll have to wait and see what is it coming out?

638
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 4: I don't know when I'm working.

639
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 3: I'm just in the studio right now, so it'll come

640
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 3: out when it when it's ready. But I do I

641
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 3: will have a movie coming out next year or at

642
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Speaker 3: some point.

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Speaker 4: I don't know exactly when it comes out.

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Speaker 3: But it's called Tow and I'm very excited about it.

645
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 3: It's an independent film and I play a.

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Speaker 4: Pregnant non binary person.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And the movie is about, uh, this woman who

648
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 3: gets her car stolen and then towed, but she was

649
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 3: living out of her car and it, you know, we

650
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Speaker 3: go on the journey of trying to fight for her

651
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 3: car back and along the way she meets me, who

652
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 3: happens to be pregnant at the time, and we meet

653
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Speaker 3: in the homeless shelter.

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Speaker 1: H familiar themes, familiar themes.

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Speaker 2: I can't tell you, I mean how much I appreciate

656
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Speaker 2: you in your story. I mean, you've lived ten lives

657
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Speaker 2: at an early age, and you really have. And you're

658
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Speaker 2: an incredible mentor to these younger kids and younger generations.

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Speaker 2: And there needs to be more of you that are

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Speaker 2: going to help out, speak out, get around bills that

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Speaker 2: help these kids out and whatnot. But you have so

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00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 2: much to give and so much to offer, and it's

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Speaker 2: just really inspiring what you're doing because it's needed more

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Speaker 2: and hopefully what you're doing will lead to other people

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Speaker 2: doing more things as well, because you know, you are

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00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: the hope of this generation going forward. We need people

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00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: like you to keep tackling these issues and keep fighting

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00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 2: and battling and being honest and everything you've done, it's

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Speaker 2: been a really really inspiration of who you are as

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Speaker 2: a person, what you've gone through. Can't even imagine I

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00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 2: didn't grow up that way. There to Gavin, but it's

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Speaker 2: really cool to see where you're at today and what

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Speaker 2: you have in front of you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. Well, I'm hoping that this now law.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm hoping that this sets the precedent for other

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Speaker 3: states and hopefully becomes a federal.

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Speaker 1: Uh, it's law as well beyond me, I mean we

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00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: we we say about it in in your business, in life, generally,

679
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: success leaves clues. It's the power of emulation. Once you

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00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: can prove something, as opposed to assert something that it works,

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00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: that it sound, that it's viable, then invariably it will

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00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: be replicated and scaled elsewhere. And I think Coogan's Law

683
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: was a perfect example of that that came out of

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Speaker 1: California decades ago. And now it's just natural and long

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00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: overdue that we've expanded it. But look, and you know,

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Speaker 1: as we close, I just want to build a little

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Speaker 1: bit on what Doug said, the issue of mental health

688
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 1: is the issue of our time. If there's any unity

689
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: agenda that unites everybody in more ways and more days,

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00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: it's issue of how people are feeling, and it's it's

691
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 1: incredibly powerful for someone with your power, your presence, your reach,

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Speaker 1: and your connection to our kids. I mean, I told

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Speaker 1: my kids that we were coming on to see you,

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00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: and they're immediately lit up. You dad, got your we

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00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 1: got to go out of school, we got to come down,

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00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: we got to see her. But in fact you can

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Speaker 1: reach them. But with this kind of honesty and transparency,

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Speaker 1: it's not an exaggeration. Quite literally, as you suggested earlier,

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00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: it can and it does save lives. So kudos to

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Speaker 1: you and maybe more important than anything else, that's the

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00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: kind of way to live with that kind of status.

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00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: A celebrity is fleeting of purpose and meaning and mission.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, when people ask me, you know, what would

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00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 3: you tell to young child stars today is one take breaks,

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00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 3: but two I would also say that you know, fame,

706
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 3: fortune is fleeting, just like you said, and what's most

707
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 3: important is meaningful, the meaningful connections in your life and

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00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 3: because the family and friends are what's going to be

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Speaker 3: there when everything else fades and yourself.

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Speaker 2: Your mental health, and we are all on borrow time, Demy,

711
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 2: and we must live life every day to the fullest

712
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 2: because the borrow time may run out soon. So we

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00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 2: got to live it and have fun doing it right.

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Speaker 1: Partner is a stoics use to say, moment may you

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00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 1: got to remember. I mean, it's this thing. We all

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00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: exit the same way, so it's the same precious moment

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00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 1: of life. And so it is. It's not as Seneca said,

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00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: that we don't have that much time in life, is

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Speaker 1: that we tend to waste so much of it on

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00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: things that don't matter, are not essential. And so as

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Speaker 1: you say, it's about family, it's about relationships, and it's

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Speaker 1: finding something more important than yourself. And I think what

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Speaker 1: I love about and just closing them is I think

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Speaker 1: that's so so self evident in your journey and in

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Speaker 1: this documentary Child Star, where you really go through that

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00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: journey of self exploration, and it's a journey that's so

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00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 1: familiar because it's the human journey. And that's why again

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Speaker 1: this film is so much more important than it appears.

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00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: It's not just about acting, it's not just about celebrity.

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Speaker 1: It's about who we are and it's about uncovering who

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Speaker 1: we can be when we're fully expressive. So really grateful

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Speaker 1: to have you on this podcast, and thank you for

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Speaker 1: being on the journey you're on and being part of

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Speaker 1: our show.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much. Thank you both for having me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Demmie, our politic and pod listener podcast is loving

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Speaker 2: what this show is all about, and we appreciate you

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Speaker 2: joining us and keep doing what you're doing.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Demie Levado. Everybody