1 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: Boom have No Fear the Iron Rapp Reports Stereo podcast. 2 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: This year, Boom Have No Fear of the I Am 3 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: Rap Reports Stereo podcast is here on today's Banging, brand 4 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: new museum quality I Am Rap Reports Stereo Podcast. I 5 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: have a gentleman named Lee Kern. Who the fuck is 6 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: Lee Kern? While I found out about him, I saw 7 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: a video that he did post October seventh, very very articulate, 8 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: very funny, even in dark times, about everything that's going 9 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: on in Israel, and we've reached out to him. He 10 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: turns out that Lee is also an Oscar nominated writer 11 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: for Borat two with Sasha Baron Cohen and Who Is 12 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 1: America which was on Showtime. He's an interesting guy. He's 13 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 1: an artist, He's British. He's a shit talker. He says fuck, 14 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: shit and motherfucker in a way that makes me laugh. 15 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: This is an excellent, excellent, excellent, hard hitting shit talking 16 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: I Am Rapaport Stereo podcast coming up right now, Miles 17 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: Jordan Ak, the Bleach Brother's Ak, the Dust Brothers. Start 18 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: this poppy off for something real nice. Start this puppy 19 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: off with something real loud, but most importantly, start this 20 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: I Am Raperport Stereo podcast off with something real funky. 21 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: Just a quick one fucking media, fucking journalists or your 22 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 2: fucking interviews, son, Israel, Why aren't you doing this? 23 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 3: Israel? 24 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: You should do that, Israel? What about the civilians Israel? 25 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 2: What about humanitarian this, that, and the other. You're all 26 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: full of shit, from your fucking bones to your guts, 27 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 2: to your fucking capillaries and your fingers, You're full of shit. 28 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: There's only one moral, humanitarian question to be asked right now, 29 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: which is her Mas When will you release the hostages? 30 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: Release the hostages? This is what started this war. This 31 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 2: is why there's humanitarian concerns. Harmas went into Israel and 32 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 2: fucking killed these children's parents in front of them and 33 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:24,679 Speaker 2: then stole screaming, crying children into Gaza. They're being held 34 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 2: hostage there. So there's only one question that should be 35 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 2: asking from morning till night, and from night until morning 36 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 2: is her Maas, when we release these children, release the hostages. 37 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 2: Why is the media not asking that if they put 38 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 2: in half the effort being as robust asking these Palestinian 39 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 2: harms supporting wankers that question as they do, abusing and 40 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 2: gaslighting and being passive aggressive to Israelis who have to 41 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 2: do something to defend themselves against people who want to 42 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 2: exterminate them. If the SEE journalists and Sky journalists had 43 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 2: any shame these Western hypocrites, smug, smug, sanctimonious, privileged, safe, passive, 44 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 2: aggressive winkers, there's only one question that should be setting 45 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: anyone's lip, and it should be a demand release the 46 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 2: fucking hostages. Her mass should release these babies and children 47 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 2: they've kidnapped. There's no other moral discussion to be had 48 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 2: right now. Anyone else who misdirects away from that or 49 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: avoids it amidst it, they're a fucking wanker. Everything that 50 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 2: pours out of their mouth henceforth is just a big 51 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 2: fucking turg. 52 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: I ran poor ethereal podcasts with Lee Kern. 53 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 4: Lee Kern, who I didn't know your name. 54 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: I didn't know who you were until until like two 55 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: and a half weeks ago. I mean, I've learned a 56 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: lot in the last two and a half weeks personally, 57 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: I really have learned a lot, and I've learned about 58 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: you because I saw you ranting on social media in 59 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: a way that stuck out to me, and I didn't 60 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: know that you were a writer. I didn't know that 61 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: you were a Oscar nominated writer. I didn't know that 62 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: you had anything to do with Borat two or Who 63 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: Is America. I just was taken by the way you 64 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: articulate yourself. I was taken with your humor. I was 65 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: taken with your preciseness in the way you articulate yourself. 66 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 1: And just seeing a fair skinned, bald British accent, you know, 67 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: be so articulate and so are passionately articulate about everything 68 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: that's going on in Israel right now and in the 69 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: Gaza strip right now, and also your tweets. 70 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 4: I just was like, who the fuck is this guy? 71 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: So I appreciate you coming to the podcast, and just 72 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: before we get into the Israel of it all, who 73 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: are you? What is your background? Like I said, you 74 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: were nominated for an Oscar for Borat too. You are 75 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: one of the voice, one of the writers or creators. 76 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong of the Showtime show Who 77 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 1: Is America with Sasha Baron Cohen, which you know came 78 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: out during the pandemic. I believe, and you know, everybody 79 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: loves everything Borat and all that stuff. You know, it's 80 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: just stuff that's so entertaining, especially that during the pandemic 81 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: was I mean it was like you guys Tiger King, 82 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: the Michael Jordan documentary, and like for me, it was 83 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: like some reality TV so you know, those sort of 84 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: things when we were so desperate to have content to watch. 85 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, they stuck out. So who are you, Lee? Like, 86 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 4: what is your background as an artist? 87 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: Fuck? Now? So I know it's. 88 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 4: A shitty question. 89 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm doing a general question, but I'm 90 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: just trying to, like, you know, get people to understand 91 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: who you are and then I'll get into you know, 92 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: the specific I. 93 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 2: Try and be as concise as possible, blending who I 94 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 2: am with my career. So I come from a family 95 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 2: of East End London black taxi drivers. So my found 96 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 2: were cab drivers, like my dad, both my grandparents, my 97 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 2: great uncles. So I come from that world, which is 98 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 2: probably why I swear a lot in do you know 99 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 2: when I'm talking it's just in my DNA. But I'm 100 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 2: not an idiot, you know, Like that's what people think 101 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 2: if you swear. And because my accent, I done it 102 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 2: to Americans they probably think my accent maybe sounds like 103 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 2: I'm a gentleman. But in England. It's kind of like 104 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 2: a gutter accent, and so in Britain. 105 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 4: People we mix perfectly. We mix perfectly there. 106 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: So people hear the accent and they feel like the 107 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 2: class and they'll think that we're stupid, but we're not. 108 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 2: It just means that we're just as intelligent as anyone. 109 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 2: But we can kind of intellectually street brawl as it were, 110 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 2: in a way which some or Sean Till people can't, 111 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 2: so I can mixed the eloquence with a slightly more 112 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 2: robust vibe. Anyway, I'm getting ahead of myself. Yeah, So 113 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 2: my dream was always to do comedy. I always want 114 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 2: to do comedy. But the first people that gave me 115 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: my break in show business in the UK was in 116 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 2: documentary for some reason, and I had a meeting with 117 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: someone that Channel four in the UK, and it turns 118 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: out they were from the same place I grew up, 119 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 2: and I mentioned how I always wanted to make a 120 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: film about the local crazy man who'd walk around in 121 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 2: his underpants, And so there was this guy just walked 122 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 2: around in his underpants since time began, and all these 123 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 2: different myths and legends about him, like people said he 124 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: was a fucking brain surgeon that he was like he 125 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 2: killed all his family in a fire, he had a 126 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 2: fucking bone disease that he ever stopped walking, he'd like 127 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: just explode, you know. And so I made this documentary 128 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: to just go and find out the truth. And so 129 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: that was the first thing I did, and I made 130 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 2: more docs and then obviously wanted to veer towards comedy, 131 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 2: and then I ended up. I never wanted to do 132 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 2: prank comedy. You know, I'm a writer. I want to 133 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: do scripted stuff. But look, in life, you just got 134 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: to You've got to go where the heat is, follow 135 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 2: the opportunities that come your way, and you snake here 136 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: and then you end up somewhere you never thought of, 137 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: but maybe it's all right. And years ago when the 138 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 2: first Prince, who was the first one, Prince William, he 139 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 2: was getting married and so I just pitched this idea 140 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 2: of doing a prank show where I, with my fucking voice, 141 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 2: pretended to be someone from Buckingham Palace who was organizing 142 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 2: the wedding, and so we prankly celebs thinking that they 143 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 2: were going to come and you know, put on a 144 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 2: bit of entertainment, be guests and stuff, and I mean, 145 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 2: I had one celeb where they thought that they were 146 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 2: going to announce the different courses for the dinner to 147 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 2: all the heads of state, and to one of them 148 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 2: dressing up as a prong cocktail salad and then making 149 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: an announcement everyone saying, your raw highnesses, Dukes and duchesses, 150 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 2: please welcome your starter prawn cocktail. And he's like, he's 151 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 2: dressed up, he looks like a prawn on a bed 152 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 2: of lettuce. And and we had celebs literally signing death, 153 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 2: Warren saying that if if anyone tried to assassinate the 154 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: prince at the wed didn't they jump in front of 155 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 2: the bullet. We had someone where the girl from some 156 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 2: pop band, she's signing it. She's crying as she's signing it, 157 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 2: and it's like, why are you fucking signing it? Like 158 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 2: you're going to die for a prawn cocktail and a 159 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 2: fucking chicken Kiev main course, you know, and they're willing 160 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 2: to die to be part of that. Anyway. Off the 161 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 2: back of that got a series of like six part 162 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 2: series doing some really big, ambitious prank. So just give 163 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 2: you an example of that. Let's say one of them 164 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 2: was I posed as a scientist. And convinced some celebs 165 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 2: that I'd made clones of them and then actually introduced 166 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 2: them to what they believed what they're clones, and actually 167 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 2: interacting with people they thought were their clones is fucking madness. Man, 168 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 2: then cut on story short. I know someone who I 169 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 2: don't know, Sasha Baron Kahin, and someone got me into 170 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 2: do a half day right not a half day, full 171 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 2: day righting on a taste to tape, and I just 172 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 2: did a good job, kept doing a good job, hustling, 173 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 2: and they kept having me back. And then that became 174 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 2: who is America? And so I went out to America 175 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 2: and worked on that, and then I worked on Bora 176 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 2: and then I'm now doing you know, my own stuff, 177 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 2: scripted things, working on bits and pieces. 178 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, and so so let me ask you something 179 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: in regards to the Prinks, and you know obviously the 180 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: the the Bora too, and the who is America? You know, 181 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: when you guys are having Bernie Sanders, when you guys 182 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 1: are having these people that the rappers that were and 183 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: who is America? Like as much as you can tell, 184 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: because it might be you know, like I know, there's 185 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: like respect respecting this genre is respecting what. 186 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 4: You like, how do you get people to do the shit? Like? 187 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: And how is it working? Like is somebody communicating with him? 188 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: Like how does the whole thing like sort of happen? 189 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: Like you picked any skip from who Is in America? 190 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: And tell me like how it works? Because that's the 191 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: thing that people are like when we're watching, We're like, 192 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: what the fuck is. 193 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 4: Going on here? Like you know, people are like, you know, 194 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 4: do you not know? Is everybody an actor? Like? How 195 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 4: does it work? 196 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 2: I probably can't talk about the stuff I've done with 197 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 2: Sasha just because of NDIS and all that crap, and 198 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: I don't need to get litigious and stuff. But I 199 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 2: can tell you a bit more about they've done, which 200 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 2: is an overnight Ok, let's just say enough prank I did. 201 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 2: I did another one where I convinced it convinced them 202 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 2: celebs that there was this rare tribe from the Amazon 203 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 2: that the homeland was getting destroyed, and so we flew 204 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 2: them out of the Amazon to England and we were 205 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 2: now housing them in a cage and a chillchildren's zoo 206 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 2: in Chesn in England. Right, And so we had actually 207 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 2: going into a zoo into a cage meeting what they 208 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 2: believe was a rare tribe and interacting with them, learning 209 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 2: their customs, whilst you've just got people in the zoo 210 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 2: walking past eating ice creams, and these people having the 211 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 2: most intense experience of their lives. I think the biggest 212 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: it's not that it's the biggest thing on anyone's side, 213 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 2: is well, why would someone lie? Why would someone go 214 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 2: toward this effort. You don't think someone's going to build 215 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 2: a whole world just to why would someone do that? 216 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 2: And with the clone thing I mentioned, we fucking drove 217 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 2: them two hours out of London. What kind of fucking 218 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 2: lunatics would drive someone two hours out of London just 219 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 2: to make them look at the cloned penis in a jar? 220 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 2: Which I said my character basically, my character was obsessed 221 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 2: with making clones of my own penis. And I'd said, like, 222 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 2: I've read about two thousand clones of it, and and look, 223 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 2: why would someone do that? You know what I mean? 224 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 2: So that's the biggest thing on your side. This was 225 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: all new to me pranking. When I first had to 226 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 2: do it, I hated it because I've experienced all the 227 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 2: symptoms of being a liar. You're looking in the eyes, 228 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 2: lying and you feel, if you're not a psychopath, you 229 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 2: feel that they can see in your soul, they know 230 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: you're lying. You burn up, and then over time you 231 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 2: look back on footage and you realize, what was I 232 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 2: even scared of? I could have gone further. They didn't 233 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 2: know anything, and you get it's quite horrible. Actually, how 234 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 2: habituate you get to just looking in people's eyes lying. 235 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 2: It ain't healthy, you know what I mean? And I 236 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 2: get it, Yeah, if you if you had experience doing anything. 237 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: But I could imagine when I've watched you guys, when 238 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 1: I've watched it Johnny Knoxville and Eric Andrew, I could imagine, 239 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: you know, like how you have to convince the people 240 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: and you're bortioning with the people on how I can 241 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: imagine how it could. It could be fucked up because 242 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: some of the people are innocent victims. Some of the 243 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: people who are like good, go further, fuck them, you know, 244 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: or you know the Rudy Giuliani's or whoever you know 245 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: it's been and you're like, fuck them, good, look at 246 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: this asshole. But even even with somebody who's an asshole, 247 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: you're like, you're tricking people. 248 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 4: So I understand how it could fuck with you. So 249 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 4: what are you doing now? Go ahead? 250 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 2: No, No, that's it. That's why I stopped doing it 251 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 2: because I just don't want to do that for a living. 252 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 2: I don't want to get I'll watch my jobs now 253 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 2: are gonna go up and just fucking like someone and 254 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 2: I get it, and I quite like I want to 255 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 2: be able to work now. But there's no side, there's 256 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 2: no angle. 257 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 4: I'm not. 258 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 2: I'm just being honest and I be comedically truthful. And 259 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 2: you know what I'm doing now, is it just hustling? 260 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: So of that? 261 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 2: So I don't have an agent or manager. Well, everything 262 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 2: I've hustled, I've just done all from iron hustle, which 263 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 2: is that's my big flex And I hear you, yeah, 264 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 2: I mean every I got to the osc I didn't 265 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 2: have an agent. I managed to get to the oscars 266 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 2: about an agent because it just never worked out for me. 267 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 2: And my attitude is like, I don't need anyone's fucking 268 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 2: permission to make a living. I don't. I'm not gonna 269 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 2: wait for someone to give me permission to live life. 270 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 2: And she's just got a hustle to do it yourself. 271 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 2: And just like I just have always just approached people myself, 272 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 2: and if they act like I'm a dick about just 273 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 2: approaching them cold, I'm like, well fuck them, you know, 274 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 2: I mean, they're got to work with them anyway, do 275 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? 276 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: I totally understand what you mean. I don't know what agents. 277 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: I'm sure you know. I mean, they're probably connected to Hollywood, 278 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure the agents, I think agents. However, 279 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: I don't know how if agents are different in in 280 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: London or not, or you know, it's all connected, all 281 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: goes back to Los Angeles. But I can't fucking stand them. 282 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: They make me fucking sick. They make me fucking sick. 283 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: They're pathetic, fucking, talentless, fucking I can't say useless because 284 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: but but they're just they look at things differently from 285 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: than we do from an artist's point of view, Like 286 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: simple when we're when I I look at things firstly 287 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: from as an actor, and so when I my first 288 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: instinct I read a script, I'm looking at it for 289 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: as an actor. When they're reading the script, they're looking 290 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: at who can they cast to get their job? I'm 291 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: looking at it. They just look at things differently, you know. 292 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: So it's just, you know, but they're necessary evil. 293 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 2: You know, I've had an agent like about fifteen years ago. 294 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 2: It just just hasn't worked. It just didn't work for me. 295 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 2: It never got many work and it just always happened 296 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 2: better when I did it myself. In terms of I 297 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: feel when America, it feels like it's a bit different, Like, 298 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 2: if I'm honest, my instinct tells me it's just almost 299 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 2: just like a mafia racket controlling the unions, deciding who 300 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 2: gets to work on the doc and who doesn't. And 301 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 2: the only reason to get an agent it is just 302 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 2: so you've got the mafia sign. Yeah, yeah, let him work. 303 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 3: And I mean it does go. 304 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 2: It feels don't whether I'm right or not. I don't 305 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 2: want to be too conspiratorial and dramatic, but it feels 306 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 2: like that thought podcast. 307 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: Have you been writing anything that you're excited about that 308 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: you want to get get going? 309 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean I've always got shit going on, 310 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 2: Like I'm so off the back of Borrow, I sold 311 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 2: a script to Amazon, like a feature length kind of 312 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 2: family movie, which started off as an R rated movie 313 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 2: and then I thought, you know, let me try and 314 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 2: now do a version as a family And I had 315 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 2: this idea sitting for seven years, and it's just about 316 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 2: the idea of like you've just got to you just 317 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 2: got to always wait for it. In this career and in 318 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 2: life in general, you have to accept that most things 319 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 2: you ever do are going to fail because in order 320 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 2: for science to succeed, you need a long chain of 321 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 2: individual links that all I have to go right, and 322 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 2: you only need one to break, and it fucks up 323 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 2: for something to go right now. So it's anyway, I 324 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 2: had this idea seven years in the waiting, and I've 325 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 2: sort of manicelled that. I've also I'm working on another 326 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 2: kids thing actually where I illustrate as well. Right, I'm 327 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 2: an artist, and in fact. 328 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 4: I reckon. 329 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 2: About forty percent of my writing I did for Sasha 330 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 2: was illustrations because it just became easier for me to 331 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 2: just visually draw the physical jokes than to write it. 332 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 4: How do you do? Like what do you mean? 333 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 2: Like? For instance, what okay, let's say, who is America? 334 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 2: Do you remember the scene with that governor from Georgia 335 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 2: who got his ass out and ran around start trying 336 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 2: to touch it on Sasha. Do you remember that? Yes, 337 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 2: it was this racist guy. He lost it. 338 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 4: It was utterly. 339 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 2: He was running around screaming the N word and like 340 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 2: it was just abysmal. So that there was a lot 341 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 2: of physical comedy in that. And so I just drew 342 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 2: the illustrations off the gags and say this is what 343 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 2: you do. And so I could literally show you Sasha 344 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 2: on screen and hold drop my illustrations and it's exactly 345 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 2: the same as that. So I had this one idea 346 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 2: that the way to defeat a Jahadis terrorist is what 347 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 2: is a Islamic fund to make toil. Its's most scared 348 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 2: of in the whole world, it's gay people. And so 349 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,719 Speaker 2: in order to disarm a terrorists, if they're coming at 350 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 2: you have a kalashnikov, what you have to do is 351 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 2: instantly drop your pants and get your ass out and 352 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 2: fucking charge them with your butt because they won't want 353 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 2: it to touch them because if it touches them in their head, 354 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 2: they'll think they're gay and they won't go to heaven. 355 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 2: And so I drew this, and what's fucking mad? This 356 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: is what I mean about. It's a contract doing his priends. 357 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 2: You've only got a It's like putting on a temporary 358 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 2: mind patch. It's like being a pickpocket. You've just got 359 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 2: to distract them for the time you have them. They'll 360 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 2: go away, and then they might go and talk to 361 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 2: their agent going oh, yeah, this is blah blah blah. 362 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 2: I was filming today and he ran at me with 363 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 2: his arms to touch me, and the agent go sorry, 364 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 2: they did what? And then it's suddenly reality were coming going, oh, 365 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 2: something's fucked. Une I understand just saying yeah, it's just temporary. 366 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: But that's so interesting that you that you ride the 367 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: like you're mostrat, storyboards pictures and to write out the 368 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 1: It's an interesting way to articulate your vision and with 369 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: your thoughts of it. So Lee, your your video that 370 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: I saw that, you know, I guess went viral. I mean, 371 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: I just love how you articulate yourself man, and and 372 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: I love your tweets and all that shit. 373 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 4: When did you do that video? 374 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: That first video that sort of people you know saw this, 375 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: you know, crazy British guy with a high pitched accent 376 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,959 Speaker 1: cursing and screaming, you know, defending Israel? 377 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 4: Was that? When was that? Do you remember? 378 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 2: Probably, I don't know, maybe about five days after everything started, 379 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 2: not actually a bit longer, maybe about a week after 380 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 2: it was the first day where I felt, do you 381 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 2: know what I need to You know, I hadn't slept, 382 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 2: just supped into this bullshit. You're going to a kind 383 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 2: of mania. It's horrific, the ship that's coming out, it's 384 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 2: traumatic and horrible. And then it's the first hour of fault. 385 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 2: You know, you need to fucking break, You've got to 386 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 2: get out. And so I went to go like climbing, 387 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 2: just like indoor climbing. But then I thought, I fucked this, 388 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 2: did you I couldn't. I just sort of just made 389 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 2: a video talking about the insanity of them, just the 390 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 2: conversation about the whole fucking cause of this is them 391 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 2: slaughtering people, taking hostages, and so just deal with that first. 392 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 2: First things first, a fucking anyway. So it was just 393 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 2: just annoying that that wasn't being spoken about. But can 394 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 2: I go back a bit earlier, go ho, So in Britain, 395 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 2: we're like six years ahead of you in America of 396 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 2: dealing with shit, because we had this shit with this 397 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 2: guy Jeremy Corby who became leader of He became leader 398 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 2: of the Labor Party and so he wanted to become 399 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 2: the prime minister of the country. And this is a 400 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 2: guy he fucking calls Ramas' his friends. He called them 401 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 2: once champions of social justice, right he Wow, he once 402 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 2: went to I forget whether it's in Chuniza. I think 403 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 2: he went to the fucking graves of the people who 404 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 2: orchestrated the Munich massacre. And for your few as who 405 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 2: don't know, that was in the Olympics in Germany where 406 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 2: some Palasinian terrorists, but I think the PFLP was the 407 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 2: organization they went and broke into the Olympic village where 408 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 2: it's just athletes. They broke into where his raids were 409 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 2: saying fucking shot them, killed them. They fucking castrated one 410 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 2: of them, you know, and shooting them and it led 411 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 2: to this like kidnap and hostage thing and they got 412 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 2: fucking killed and blown up with grenades. This is just 413 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 2: fucking slaughter, a murder of athletes participating in a sport 414 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 2: that's about universal, transcending conflict. Jeremy Corbyn later he laid 415 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 2: a fucking reef at their grave, a reef. He laid 416 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 2: a fucking brief. 417 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 4: And who was he? What did he? What was his 418 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 4: political what was his thing? 419 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 2: He's hard left, But he became leader of the main 420 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 2: opposition party in the UK basically the the heart I 421 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 2: mean without I don't know, boar people at the heart. 422 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,360 Speaker 2: Basically the Labor Party brought in this new policy where 423 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 2: anyone could become a member of the party by just 424 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 2: paying like three pounds, which is like, I don't know, 425 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 2: like a few dollars, right, which meant the system got 426 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 2: gamed by extremists and hard left people just were said, right, 427 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 2: I'll sign up, and they got this guy in and 428 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 2: it's just a populace talking about you know what I mean, 429 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 2: you know the bad you know, power to the people, 430 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 2: and it's just a horrible, horrible man. And it was 431 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 2: and the visceral hatred that booms for Jews in Britain. 432 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 2: So we had five years of being gas lit and 433 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 2: the passive aggressive people saying, what are you talking about? 434 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 2: There's NINETI Semitism. Oh, you're just a you're just rich 435 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 2: Jews and you're just doing it because of Israel, and 436 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 2: you're all, you know, you don't experience racism, you're all white, 437 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 2: Jews are white, you don't experience viol there's no violence 438 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 2: against Jews. So with every sort of thing blah blah blah, 439 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 2: and all this was going on. I was getting criminally 440 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 2: harassed my own personal story. I'd get abuse every day. 441 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 2: I had someone harassing me through my website anonymously for 442 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 2: four years, sending me the most horrific shits, and you 443 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 2: should be another Holocaust her mass of glorious freedom hiers 444 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 2: and like abusing my family and I didn't know it was. 445 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,239 Speaker 2: And it fucking affects your life, Like even if you're 446 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 2: kind of tough and sing, you know you'll be I'll 447 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 2: be at like a family funeral. The morning of a funeral, 448 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 2: I get fucking messages coming from saying your family are Nazis. 449 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 2: Right gets to you. I managed to find out the 450 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 2: IP address of this guy, and then with some help 451 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,959 Speaker 2: of a charity, I managed to compel the internet service 452 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 2: provider to tell us who it was, and then we 453 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 2: brought a case against them and took them to court 454 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 2: and they got found guilty. But then when they got sentenced, 455 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 2: they got fucking let off with no prison sentence, even 456 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 2: though it transpired they've done this, They've been found guilty 457 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 2: like three other times doing the same, and so then 458 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 2: it was like no, but no, no, But then it's 459 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 2: like no, I'm not fucking taking this and took it 460 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 2: to the court of appeal and made a big fuss 461 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 2: about it, and it got overturned. He got sent to 462 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 2: prison for a year and a half, so that prick 463 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 2: had to go into prison over Christmas, and he was 464 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 2: a fucking little shit. He wouldn't have had fun good 465 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 2: And the attitude is right. There's no gain, by the way, 466 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 2: not only did I lose four years, there's no gain 467 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 2: in me having to hustle through some court case. It's 468 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 2: only lost for me. I lose my time, I lose 469 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,719 Speaker 2: my piece. I don't get money, I get fuck all. 470 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 2: But the point is, and I mean this sincerely, and 471 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 2: this is the actually have. Whether you're someone powerful, you're 472 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 2: some little racist troll online, you don't get to fucking 473 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 2: slap us for free. 474 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 4: Right. 475 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 2: We'll fucking make your if you try and hurt our lives, 476 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 2: we'll make your life worse than you ever can make ours. 477 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 2: And you know we're on a shamed day. We'll be 478 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 2: cruel about it. We'll be fucking relentless and spiteful and 479 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 2: fucking hurt you, because why should we be the one 480 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 2: stuff to walk while with all this toxic shit in 481 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 2: us will fucking hurt you and I don't carry knows it. 482 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 2: We're mean and relentless the end. 483 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean no, I get it all the time. 484 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: I mean that seems like the one you were getting 485 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: was like really really probably scary. 486 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 4: And it fucking sucks. 487 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: And I've gotten it before, you know, the last three 488 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: weeks because of Trump shit. 489 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 4: You know what I mean. But I get it's every day. 490 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 4: It's literally every day. 491 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: And you know, to be honest with you, you know, 492 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: I didn't grow up with any anti Semitism. 493 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,959 Speaker 4: I never had any confrontations. 494 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: I never had you know, I might have heard certain things, 495 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: but you know, we're really sort of you know, it 496 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 1: became eye opening. 497 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 4: I've talked about this before. 498 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: Is from social media, from my dms, and from not 499 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: even the dms, the open comments. 500 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 4: I'm like, what the fuck? Like the dms are one thing, 501 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 4: and they're like. 502 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: Whoa, they say some wild shit, But when you get 503 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: the open comments, one thing we do. 504 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 4: I don't know. 505 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: We've stopped doing it because we always get I always 506 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: get suspended and I see you said you're getting suspended 507 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: and all that shit. 508 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 4: But me and my friend we created this thing called 509 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 4: the shame game. 510 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: You would be a great special guest, you would be 511 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: a fucking great So the shame game is like Joe 512 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: Schmoe dms me, fuck you, Michael Rappaport, you fucking jew. 513 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: Your family should have burnt in the Holocaust. I hope 514 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 1: you die, you fucking Jew. 515 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 2: What we'll do is we'll. 516 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: Gather like three or four or five of them. A 517 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: lot of them they're from open accounts, which is the 518 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: craziest shit, so we'll get their pictures, we'll get as 519 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: much information we'll get. This is Jeff from you know 520 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 1: U South Dakota. Jeff works at this company. Here's a 521 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: picture of Jeff's wife, and we'll roast them. But we'll 522 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 1: put all their shit up online. And it's the response 523 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: we get is people fucking love it, and we love 524 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: it because it's so fucking funny, and then we put 525 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: it the only problem is that putting it online it 526 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: winds up getting my count, you know, blocked or suspended 527 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: or I've had all sorts of shit. 528 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 4: But the joy that we get, and I just. 529 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: Wish that there were secret cameras to find the people 530 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: to see their reactions. And we tag their family, We 531 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: find their their mothers, their grandmothers, who they work with 532 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: the people that are at their job and it's. 533 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 4: A fucking joyous, joyous fucking thing. We haven't done it 534 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 4: in a while, but I think we. 535 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: Might have to do the Hamas edition because we've done 536 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 1: you know, like some it's fun. 537 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 2: There's there's a little craze that went around Israel when 538 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 2: this was all going on, which where they would someone 539 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 2: would find Hamas supporters online just to remind people Hamas 540 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 2: or an Islamic Fundamentals organization. 541 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 4: To say it slow, say it fucking slow, nice and slow. 542 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 2: Just a bit of Hamas. They're not freedom fighters. You 543 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 2: can't be about freedom if you're in this life fundamentalist 544 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 2: terror organization. There's no freedom in their goal, which is 545 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 2: to create a global Muslim calipher. There's no freedom if 546 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 2: you're gay with the fucking chuck off buildings. There's no 547 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 2: freedom if you're an atheist or the fucking murder. There's 548 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,479 Speaker 2: no freedom if you're an artist or a free finger 549 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 2: because they'll drag you on the back of their fucking motorbike. 550 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 2: Popular fucking skull open right. There's no freedom if you're 551 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 2: a woman. There's no freedom if you're a fucking Jew. 552 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 2: So the idea is a freedom fighter is he's a tyrants, Okay, 553 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 2: all they want is subjugation. And so there's this very 554 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 2: funny there was this craze in Israel where they'd find 555 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 2: Harmas supporters online pro Hamas, and they would take their 556 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 2: pictures and they'd put like banners off them of like 557 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 2: ice down with Israel, iHeart Israel, do you know what 558 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 2: I mean? And oh they'd be like these two harms 559 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,959 Speaker 2: supporters together, these two guys, and they'd put that fucking 560 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 2: pride flags on it and say like our names are 561 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 2: blah blah blah, and love is love. You should be able. 562 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 2: It's a love whoever you want, and it's in our bit. 563 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 2: So that like their families and people are so saying them, 564 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? So your Shine guy 565 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 2: just reminded me of that podcast. 566 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 4: You know, like I was up last night. It was 567 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 4: hard to sleep. You know. 568 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: The last few weeks have been so you know, upsetting 569 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: and demoralizing and eye opening in a way. They've been 570 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: eye opening in not a positive way and frustrating. And 571 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: you know social media and the news and the fake 572 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: news and the sort of half news and the apologists. 573 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: You know what has been like if you know, like today, 574 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's probably changed from yesterday because you know, 575 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: when you talk about the LGBTQ and we talk about 576 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: the queers for Palestine and I don't understand how these are. 577 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: I don't call them apologists or fucking dumb fucks. I 578 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: you know, like you know, the poster ripping down. I 579 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: don't like all that shit, Like I'm like, it's so 580 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: baffling to me, Like, forget what side you're on. If 581 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: there's a kidnapped baby of it could be of anything. 582 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,719 Speaker 1: People would never rip down the poster of a missing 583 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: puppy or or somebody giving piano lessons or a math tutor. 584 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: But you rip down a poster of somebody who was kidnapped. 585 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: It doesn't make any fucking sense to me. Like all 586 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: these things that just sort of rattled off, Like what 587 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: is it like in the front of your brain today 588 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: that's been the most frustrating or. 589 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 4: You know, just sort of you know where you're. 590 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 2: Just makes you pick up your phone, So just then 591 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 2: just be specific about what you've just been spoken about. 592 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 2: This isn't overnight. This has been a deliberate, conscious strategy 593 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 2: for years from people I don't even want to call 594 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 2: it a pro Palestine that anti Israel people want to 595 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 2: destroy Israel and kill the Jews. They have consciously infiltrated 596 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 2: so called progressive movements and woke spaces and left wing spaces, 597 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 2: people who don't give a fuck about like freedoms, with 598 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 2: one goal is to just fucking manipulate them into becoming 599 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 2: insane and antisomitic spaces, so that just to make life 600 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,479 Speaker 2: harder for Jews, and in the belief that they'll make 601 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 2: it harder for Israel when shit kicks off, and that's 602 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 2: what we're experienced. Let me just give you an example. 603 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 2: Six years ago, twenty seventeen, it was the Washington d 604 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 2: C Dyke March. And know if you remember that, I 605 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 2: heard about this story. So it's this lesbian march in 606 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 2: DC and some Jews were stopped by the organizers and 607 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 2: made them leave because they had a Pride flag which 608 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 2: had a Jewish Star of David on it, and they said, 609 00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 2: you've got to take that down. This is anti zion space, 610 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 2: that's imperialists. You're making Palestinians field, so you have to 611 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 2: take it down a Jewish symbol. And so there's been 612 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 2: a conscious campaign to alienate, to ostracize to gaslight, to shame, 613 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 2: to bully Jews into not being welcome to space. And 614 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 2: it's a dehumanization ritual that's been taking place for years 615 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,479 Speaker 2: to deshuminate people in all these spaces, to dehumanize us 616 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 2: to them as not being worthy of empathy, as not 617 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 2: being worthy of solidarity. Because anything that a community deems 618 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 2: as toxic, that's what they'll say we are. If you're 619 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 2: on the hard left, what's toxic to them are colonizers, imperialism. 620 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 2: Jews are colonizers and imperialists. If some communities equate let's 621 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 2: say whiteness with toxicity, what are Jews? Jews are white, 622 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 2: even though most Jews in the world don't have the 623 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 2: same complexion as me. You go to fucking Israel, they 624 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 2: don't look like me. Of a fucking junie your beard. 625 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 2: You know, whatever is toxic about us, you know, it's 626 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 2: just the same as the Nazis. They would call us, 627 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 2: and they can contradict. Nazis would call us communists and capitalists. 628 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 2: At the same time, it's these extremists who just wanted 629 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 2: to isolate us, and now we're reaping the benefits. That's 630 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 2: how people can now look at a post of a 631 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 2: kidnapped baby and look at the baby's eyes and just 632 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 2: see colonizer, Why toxic capitalist, right winger. Whatever, it doesn't matter. 633 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 2: It's just gone on for years and in response all 634 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,520 Speaker 2: we can do. So it's like, I know it's overwhelming 635 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 2: and we're massively outnumbered, but it's like I try and 636 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 2: tell Jews, do you know if there's any people who 637 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 2: should be comfortable being outnumbered and surrounded, it's us. You've 638 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 2: got to learn to sit comfortably in that ship. It's 639 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 2: just the way it is. It's character building, you know. 640 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 2: It builds you to sort of stand up tall and 641 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 2: not crumple, and you can be lone voice. I'm not 642 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 2: saying it's pleasant, but what choice do you have? And 643 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,839 Speaker 2: it feels overwhelming, and I'd say everyone's allowed to feel 644 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,240 Speaker 2: despondent now, and then I get you know, I'll get depressed. 645 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 2: I might wake up early thinking this is fucking horrible, 646 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 2: and you just work out your system. I kind of 647 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,479 Speaker 2: just think of a kind of sports metaphors or game 648 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 2: metafor like, I'm a big fan of boxing, and so 649 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 2: you just think of lighting boxing like you could be 650 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 2: up against the ropes the whole time. You could be 651 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 2: getting fucked up, But as long as you keep your 652 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,359 Speaker 2: job going, you've always got a punch as chance. It's 653 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,919 Speaker 2: like one punch could turn everything around. How many times 654 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 2: have you seen it in a fight? Do you know 655 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,919 Speaker 2: what I mean? So you've got to stay in the game, 656 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 2: otherwise you won't make that moment. The less violent example 657 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 2: is I don't know, I quite I haven't played in agors, 658 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 2: but I used to enjoy playing Backgammon. You know the 659 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 2: game Backgammon. That's such a brilliant game with The lesson 660 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 2: I always take away from Backgammon is you can feel 661 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 2: like you're fucked and you're totally should lose, but if 662 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 2: you actually hold your nerve and stick in there, you 663 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 2: can flip that shit suddenly and going to victory so quickly. 664 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 2: And so it's about I think people just need to 665 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 2: feel comfortable with discomfort and don't panic. 666 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: You know, I agree, I agree, and I totally agree 667 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,280 Speaker 1: with you, and I know what you mean and saying 668 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,240 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that you don't have ups and downs 669 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,720 Speaker 1: and feels, you know, because but I totally totally agree 670 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: with what you're saying. 671 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 4: Do you find you know I found in New York? 672 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: You know the Jewish people that I'm speaking to, people 673 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: are freaked out, you know, to be honest with you, 674 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: people are freaked out. 675 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 4: Jewish people are freaked out. You know. Jewish people are 676 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 4: nervous also. 677 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: A lot of you know, for me, you know, I 678 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: don't know how much you know about like you know, 679 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,799 Speaker 1: my Trump show. I consider myself an independent, you know, 680 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: I don't consider myself a Democrat. I don't consider myself 681 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: a republic I can't stand any of these motherfuckers. I 682 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 1: don't trust any of these motherfuckers at all. But you know, 683 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 1: seeing and hearing the sort of butts and the you know, well, 684 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: we support Israel and there should be no violence or 685 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: anti Semitism. 686 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 4: But you know, like I can't fuck with Joe Biden. 687 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: I can't fuck with the butts, you know, I obviously nobody. 688 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 1: It seems like if you say, you know, fuck a mass, 689 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: I've been deemed you support genocide. 690 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 4: I've been deemed all these things. 691 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: It seems like if you say fuck a mass, free 692 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:32,839 Speaker 1: the hostages. Somehow we're saying it's okay to kill civilians. 693 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: Nobody wants to see any civilians killed, rape of any race, 694 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,919 Speaker 1: creed color, before. 695 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 4: Israel, after Israel, Africa. 696 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: China, fucking you know, Spain. The place is unknown, you know, 697 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: fucking ufo. No one wants to see that shit. But 698 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 1: when you know, you know, people are saying, you know, 699 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,399 Speaker 1: free the hostages, you know, let the people go. 700 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 4: Uh. 701 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 1: And then you're this argument of ceasefire, like what are 702 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,280 Speaker 1: we supposed to? I know, I'm just kind of ramped 703 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 1: it because it's so frustrating. But you know, like, you know, 704 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: this idea of a ceasefire, like cease fire and do 705 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 1: what with who? Like, do we sit down and have 706 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: fucking bagels with these people? These are animals, not the 707 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: Palestinian people, not the people of Gaza hamas Is. These 708 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 1: are fucking savage, fucking animals, and the only thing they 709 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,439 Speaker 1: care about, the only thing they want, if anybody would 710 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: take the fucking time to read their fucking manifesto, their charter, 711 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,880 Speaker 1: their their their hopes and dreams, is the destruction of 712 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: all Jewish people and the obliteration of Israel. No one 713 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 1: will take the fucking time to read the shit they 714 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 1: wrote it. 715 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 4: It's what they live by. 716 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 1: It's their fucking Ten Commandments, it's their fucking you know, 717 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 1: their mamba mentality, their mamba mentality. 718 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,359 Speaker 4: The quote Kobe Bryant is a destruction of all fucking Jews. 719 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: And I don't ununderstand how that correlates to being genocidal 720 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: and all that stuff. These people came in now it's 721 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 1: nineteen days ago and raped fucking uh. 722 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 4: You know, we don't need. 723 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 1: To say what they've done, but we have to defend, 724 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: you know, getting them back. 725 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,839 Speaker 2: I think I pick out a couple of things from 726 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 2: what you said. One is that I think a lot 727 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 2: of people in the West you can only people can 728 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 2: only visualize their mental universe and are projecting their values 729 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,840 Speaker 2: onto people who have a completely different mythic history, different 730 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 2: cultural mythic reference points inspiring them. Tramas. If Martin Luther 731 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,320 Speaker 2: King had been at that Kabbutz and said to Ramas, hey, guys, 732 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 2: stop for a minute, I have a dream of everyone, 733 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 2: they would have cut his fucking head off. They would 734 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,239 Speaker 2: to cut his head off. If the fucking Beatles have 735 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,120 Speaker 2: been there saying hey, hey, come as, come on, all 736 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,319 Speaker 2: you need is love, they would have fucking set fire 737 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 2: to them. They're not coming from a civil rights background, 738 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 2: and Martin Luther King, these are people whose reference points 739 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,360 Speaker 2: is the Battle of Kaibar, which is some medieval battle 740 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,680 Speaker 2: where Muhammad and his army is just slaughtered, is tried, 741 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 2: and they're chanting this on the streets of London. They 742 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 2: don't have the same reference points. It's just a different society. 743 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 2: So you have to stop imagine saying, well, you know what, 744 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 2: everyone deep down wants peace and love. No they don't. 745 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 2: They don't. I'm not saying Islamic fundamentalist extremists who's flying 746 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 2: to fucking twin towers, who fucking burn babies. They don't 747 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,840 Speaker 2: just want Oh, we just want an ordinary life and 748 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,840 Speaker 2: to come home from work. They don't. And you have 749 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,799 Speaker 2: to be honest about that and accept it, which brings 750 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,759 Speaker 2: us on to the next one is you don't appease 751 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,440 Speaker 2: people like that. You can't negotiat with people like that, 752 00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 2: you can't reason with people, and you cannot come to 753 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 2: an accommodation with people like that. All you can do 754 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:47,319 Speaker 2: is oppose them and defeat them, and that's it. And 755 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 2: I would apply that to the people in the West 756 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,800 Speaker 2: who are shilling for these lunatics and sticking up for 757 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,279 Speaker 2: them Jews in America. It's all you have to learn. 758 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,080 Speaker 2: In England, there's a people pleasing tendancye that, for better 759 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 2: or worse, a lot of Jews have done because you're 760 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,279 Speaker 2: a minority in a violent, non Jewish world that has 761 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,080 Speaker 2: historically been very cruel to us, and it might create 762 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 2: a people please and instinctive saying that we don't want 763 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,480 Speaker 2: inny trouble. We want to be reasonable, We're no trouble. 764 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 2: And there's times where you need to recognize who is 765 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 2: someone you can reason with and who is someone you 766 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 2: just have to defeat, and you have to openly oppose 767 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 2: them and defeat them. So if there's these people on 768 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 2: university campuses, fucking taking off posters, blocking Jewish kids in 769 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 2: a library, smacking the wall like it's some pog from, 770 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 2: these are not people that we want to win over. 771 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,239 Speaker 2: There isn't a fucking time. These are people you have 772 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 2: to just oppose and say fuck you, and you have 773 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:49,320 Speaker 2: to destroy their arguments publicly, without shame and without holding back, 774 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,480 Speaker 2: because it isn't a debate, it's a war. They're at 775 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:57,440 Speaker 2: war with us. Whatever they say, if the color blue, 776 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,879 Speaker 2: if the whole world hates the color blue, they'd be saying, oh, 777 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 2: the Jews love the color blue. And if later on 778 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,799 Speaker 2: that afternoon the world said, you know what, we hate 779 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,239 Speaker 2: the color red, they'd be saying, do you know what, 780 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,799 Speaker 2: the Jews fucking love the color red. So they will 781 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,399 Speaker 2: say whatever they can in any given moment that makes 782 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,319 Speaker 2: us seem toxic and makes people want to withdraw their 783 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 2: empathy and solidarity. And so people need to realize this 784 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 2: isn't a game a fair intellect. You're not in an 785 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,319 Speaker 2: intellectual debate. They're just trying to fuck you and make 786 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,399 Speaker 2: you look shit in any situation, and so call them out, 787 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,239 Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? And stop being on 788 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:39,239 Speaker 2: the defense the whole time whatever Isra's doing. Israel as 789 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,879 Speaker 2: a country that's set up from its founding saying hey, 790 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,239 Speaker 2: we would like peace with all our neighbors, and it's 791 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:48,000 Speaker 2: done that ever since, despite all the atrocities committed against it. 792 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,239 Speaker 2: Wants peace. But hamas is found in charter, says hey, 793 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,320 Speaker 2: we want to kill every Jew on earth, not just 794 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,759 Speaker 2: in Israel on earth. So it's like people talk about 795 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,080 Speaker 2: this proportionality in the Middle East. Yeah, it's a fucking 796 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:05,600 Speaker 2: disproportionality in terms of who's reasonable wants peace. You can't 797 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,600 Speaker 2: reason with his alyticts. We didn't reason with the Nazis 798 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,200 Speaker 2: who wanted to exterminate us, and the world must not 799 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 2: try and appease a mass And just talking of the Nazis, 800 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,920 Speaker 2: I looked at the other day Winston Churchill's famous speech, 801 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:20,600 Speaker 2: you know that speech where he goes, we will fight 802 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,680 Speaker 2: on the beaches, will never surrender. You ever heard that. 803 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,759 Speaker 2: It was when when the English Armies were trapped in 804 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,560 Speaker 2: Dunkirk on the beaches, surrounded by the Nazis, and it 805 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,759 Speaker 2: was like Britain's darkest hour where it's like, well, if 806 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,440 Speaker 2: we don't get some of these soldiers back, we're fucked. 807 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,840 Speaker 2: And Churchill literally gave the speech and in it he 808 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:47,120 Speaker 2: recognized He says, we know that there's some innocent people 809 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,680 Speaker 2: I'm paraphrasing. He goes, we know that there's some people 810 00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 2: who were innocent who will get caught up and caught 811 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,600 Speaker 2: up in this, and we're sorry we can't protect them 812 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,319 Speaker 2: as much as we would like to. But if we 813 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:05,520 Speaker 2: don't stand up to this evil, then we're all fucked forever. 814 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,759 Speaker 2: And it's and it's them we have created this situation, 815 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,920 Speaker 2: and Britain and the world had the emotional maturity and 816 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,239 Speaker 2: the intellectual honesty to realize, do you know what there's 817 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:22,719 Speaker 2: a fucking war. There's fucking genocidal evil. War is acceptable. 818 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,840 Speaker 2: Civilian casualties are ugly and grim, but it happens, and 819 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:32,480 Speaker 2: it would be immoral to do nothing. It would have 820 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:37,600 Speaker 2: been Impacifism against the Nazis would have been the most immoral, 821 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:42,440 Speaker 2: monstrous position anyone could take, because all pacifism does is 822 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:47,279 Speaker 2: basically saying, let's let the most violent psychopathic bullies do 823 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,799 Speaker 2: what the fuck they want. That's pacifism. And if we 824 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,040 Speaker 2: were to pass apply passions, what's gone is right that 825 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:58,680 Speaker 2: they said, let's let the most insane psychopathic monsters, fucking 826 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:04,240 Speaker 2: pedophiles who fucking great children, raped old ladies, cut people's 827 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:09,360 Speaker 2: heads off, fucking cut fetuses out of bellies. Fucking my friend, 828 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,040 Speaker 2: God bless him, he's alive. 829 00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:11,319 Speaker 4: It's ok. 830 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,000 Speaker 2: It's fucking family. It's poor family. Like it's likely what 831 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,600 Speaker 2: I'm going to say, right, but like people, it's enough. 832 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,000 Speaker 2: People know it's poor fucking family. Two of the children, 833 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,399 Speaker 2: two girls, were fucking killed whilst the parents were made 834 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,040 Speaker 2: to watch, and they fucking filmed the parents watching it 835 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,600 Speaker 2: and live stream their reactions. This, this is this is 836 00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:37,720 Speaker 2: just cruelty degradation. And here's the difference between the Nazis. 837 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,440 Speaker 2: Fucking Nazis tried to hide their crimes from the world 838 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,160 Speaker 2: when Britain and America and the Russians who were our 839 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,080 Speaker 2: allies in the Second War were getting close to the 840 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 2: concentration camps, and Nazis were fucking trying to destroy evidence. 841 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,279 Speaker 2: They fucking tried to destroy the gas chambers because they 842 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 2: wanted to hide it. But these are mass They fucking 843 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,400 Speaker 2: filmed it and life stream it and show it to 844 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:06,879 Speaker 2: the world. Why Why Because they're not ashamed. They think 845 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,160 Speaker 2: that's setting fire to a part of Jewish babies represents 846 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,800 Speaker 2: the best work they could do. It's like and imagine 847 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,560 Speaker 2: a skateboarder would put online because they think, yeah, that's 848 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,560 Speaker 2: a wicked trick I've done. They've put online killing Jews 849 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 2: because they think, look at this fucking like that, he's 850 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,799 Speaker 2: a psychos man. You don't appease that shit. 851 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,440 Speaker 1: I know, I totally totally understand what you're saying. So 852 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,680 Speaker 1: your friend went through this, that's fucking horrible. 853 00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,360 Speaker 2: Why isn't that this poor fucking God bless him, his 854 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,399 Speaker 2: fucking hero. Fucking over a decade ago and family member 855 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,359 Speaker 2: of is a young girl got fucking blown up by 856 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,160 Speaker 2: a Hamas suicide bomb in Jerusalem. So this poor fan 857 00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,880 Speaker 2: had been touched twice now and some of them are 858 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,120 Speaker 2: kidnapped and this is going and it's not just him. 859 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,360 Speaker 2: It's like, you've got to remembers. Fourteen hundred people have 860 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,040 Speaker 2: been slaughtered. They're still finding dead bodies they never found 861 00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:59,439 Speaker 2: literally like what twenty days later, you know what I mean. 862 00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,319 Speaker 2: It's like and it's like and it's grim and we 863 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,680 Speaker 2: should feel it, but it's just like we just need 864 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:11,120 Speaker 2: to Yeah, anyway, you just gotta we're here, whether we 865 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,080 Speaker 2: didn't choose to be the ones here, but we're here, 866 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,640 Speaker 2: and so it's up to us to oppose it and 867 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,000 Speaker 2: not get overwhelmed by thoughts off the bigger picture of 868 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:24,320 Speaker 2: ultimate victory. You just fucking keep moving forward, yard by yard. 869 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,200 Speaker 2: You fight the little battle in front of you today. 870 00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,520 Speaker 2: Don't worry about the end of the war. You just 871 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,400 Speaker 2: fight your deal today and you take a little loss. Fine, 872 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,479 Speaker 2: you're not gonna win everything. You might lose ten times 873 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,719 Speaker 2: in a row. Just keep going forward and get a 874 00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,920 Speaker 2: little victory and fucking enjoy your win. And that's all 875 00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,680 Speaker 2: people can do in life in general. You just don't 876 00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,040 Speaker 2: get overwhelmed by the big picture, because that can send 877 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,960 Speaker 2: you into paralysis. Like a rabbit, you just get overwhelmed. 878 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,080 Speaker 2: Just focus on today's battle. 879 00:47:53,200 --> 00:48:11,120 Speaker 3: You know, well that. 880 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,160 Speaker 4: I really appreciate talking to you. I'm gonna leave it. 881 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,080 Speaker 1: I would love to talk to you again, and you know, 882 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:18,719 Speaker 1: and stay in touch with you. I mean, I feel 883 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:20,680 Speaker 1: like I you know, like I would love to meet 884 00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:20,960 Speaker 1: you in. 885 00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,719 Speaker 2: No love what. I'll be out soon, I hope, so 886 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,080 Speaker 2: I'll come and say hello. I am. I don't mind 887 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,680 Speaker 2: the East Coast, not so cin on on the Los 888 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,239 Speaker 2: Angeles and the West coast being I don't think it's 889 00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:34,960 Speaker 2: for me. That's why I'm still in London. 890 00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:36,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I get it. I don't mind La. 891 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,120 Speaker 1: LA's all right, you know, it's I was out there 892 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,600 Speaker 1: for so long. I think it's you make the best 893 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,000 Speaker 1: of what it is. You know, there's good people there. Obviously, 894 00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,360 Speaker 1: there's good weather there. You know, that's a whole other conversation. 895 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,520 Speaker 1: But you seem like a New Yorker. 896 00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,160 Speaker 2: You know, I found it really and she might not 897 00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,839 Speaker 2: being able to walk anywhere, like you couldn't have any 898 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,520 Speaker 2: physical physical contact with your location. 899 00:48:58,920 --> 00:48:59,480 Speaker 4: I agree. 900 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,720 Speaker 1: I that's that was my biggest problem with Los Angeles, 901 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,040 Speaker 1: you can walk, but like if you go if it's 902 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:06,799 Speaker 1: like if you want to go get a coffee, it's 903 00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,640 Speaker 1: not just like you're going around the corner or three blocks. 904 00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,080 Speaker 1: You're going for a fucking you know, it's like a 905 00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:13,480 Speaker 1: it's like a walk. 906 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:13,839 Speaker 4: It's like. 907 00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:20,000 Speaker 1: You know, it's not just like a casual walk like 908 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,680 Speaker 1: you're going and then you don't want to walk back 909 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,480 Speaker 1: because you're like, I'm drinking. But yeah, that's the biggest 910 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,239 Speaker 1: problem with it. But uh, you know, I'm definitely a 911 00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,480 Speaker 1: New Yorker. You said you're a boxing guy, a real quick. 912 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:38,000 Speaker 1: Tyson Fury Francis Nicanu are fighting this weekend? Are you 913 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:38,719 Speaker 1: taking that fight? 914 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:39,280 Speaker 4: Seriously? 915 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,200 Speaker 1: Just do you want to make a prediction because I 916 00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,160 Speaker 1: know you you said you like boxing. 917 00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:44,839 Speaker 4: I don't want to go down the boxing rabbit hole, 918 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:45,919 Speaker 4: but but I I. 919 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,960 Speaker 1: Love Tyson Fury and I was at when he fought 920 00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,440 Speaker 1: the first Deontay Wilder fight and watched him get up 921 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,720 Speaker 1: off the fucking canvas when I thought he was dead. 922 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,600 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, being at a Tyson Fury Deontay 923 00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:03,080 Speaker 1: wilderfight was like talk about like a mishmash of crazy 924 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:08,480 Speaker 1: fucking testosterone, you know, lunatics, But what do the only 925 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,960 Speaker 1: prediction for that fight on Saturday, because I'm predicting the opposite. 926 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,840 Speaker 1: The chakra of all chakers, Francis and and Ghana is 927 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,400 Speaker 1: gonna knock out Tyson Fury and I bet against Tyson 928 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,880 Speaker 1: in the past and he always fucking But I just 929 00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,719 Speaker 1: feel like I think he's taking this fight lightly, or 930 00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,120 Speaker 1: maybe he's not, maybe he's. 931 00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,200 Speaker 4: Just playing possible. But are you paying attention. 932 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,879 Speaker 2: To that fight at all? I want him to win, 933 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:36,880 Speaker 2: but literally only because the Fury is it fight like 934 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,720 Speaker 2: it just has to happen, because I find the heavyweight 935 00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:44,040 Speaker 2: division is so frustrating. The fights that should happen don't happen, 936 00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,640 Speaker 2: and when they do happen, I happen too late. They 937 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,799 Speaker 2: should like they're not happening when people are in their 938 00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:53,040 Speaker 2: prime and it should be happening. And Us and Fury, 939 00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:54,879 Speaker 2: that's the fight I want to say what I'm looking 940 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:59,480 Speaker 2: forward to, because in my opinion that the most in 941 00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,279 Speaker 2: ten fucking boxers out there, and more than any I know. 942 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,279 Speaker 2: Of course boxing's fuggish in that but for me, it's 943 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,920 Speaker 2: a real intelligent sport at its best. 944 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,799 Speaker 4: I mean, and Fury is one of the most. 945 00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and at its best, boxing for me is like 946 00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:18,160 Speaker 2: watching two brains circling each other and seeing whose brain. 947 00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,439 Speaker 2: It's like two brains wearing gloves. And more than any fight, 948 00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,279 Speaker 2: Fury is so fucking smarten ring Usick's so fucking smart, 949 00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,520 Speaker 2: and I just would love to see that battle of 950 00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:33,359 Speaker 2: intelligence going on, which obviously Fury has got the physical advantage. 951 00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,640 Speaker 2: And as it is, even though they've been low shots, 952 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,160 Speaker 2: he doesn't like getting the hit in his gut or belly. 953 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,600 Speaker 2: I don't just possibly that's the real fight I want 954 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,440 Speaker 2: to see. But do you know I love boxing as 955 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:50,480 Speaker 2: well is in all sports. Actually, I love how personality 956 00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:55,640 Speaker 2: translates into how you play. I fucking love that. Like 957 00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:59,879 Speaker 2: some of the greatest sportsmen, like Fury's a very fast brain, 958 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,319 Speaker 2: He's clearly a showman and that comes there from the ring, 959 00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,279 Speaker 2: and that's why he's exciting to watch. My favorite ef 960 00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,319 Speaker 2: FA footballers or soccer it's a guy called Paul Gascoigne 961 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,880 Speaker 2: and he was a cocky, arrogant, silly, mischief microan clown, 962 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,080 Speaker 2: and so because of that when he was on the pitch, 963 00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,440 Speaker 2: he had to cockiness and the confidence to think, you 964 00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:23,080 Speaker 2: know what, I'm an attention seeker, and so I fucking 965 00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,359 Speaker 2: want this crowd to be loving me and get them 966 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,719 Speaker 2: excited anyway, So I think Fury and uh Oasik, that's 967 00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:30,319 Speaker 2: the fight for me. 968 00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:32,200 Speaker 4: I hear, that's gonna be a great fight. 969 00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:36,040 Speaker 1: And I mean, Fury's unbelievable, He's unfucking believable. 970 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:37,359 Speaker 4: He's unbelievable. 971 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,640 Speaker 1: I wish he was fighting in a better time for 972 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,480 Speaker 1: heavyweight to cross the board because I think that. I mean, 973 00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:44,959 Speaker 1: I don't want to go down them, but I feel 974 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,520 Speaker 1: like the heavyweight division, you know, it's like the guys 975 00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,640 Speaker 1: that you know, Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes, these guys were 976 00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,320 Speaker 1: like two hundred and twenty pounds now a heavyweight champions, 977 00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,719 Speaker 1: like two fifty two sixty, you know, six foot eight. 978 00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,120 Speaker 1: So it's it's a different thing than when I grew 979 00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:01,840 Speaker 1: up watching. 980 00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:02,560 Speaker 4: You know. 981 00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,960 Speaker 1: The guys are just they're like you know, the clips 982 00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,840 Speaker 1: go started, They're like these fucking rock'm sock and robots. 983 00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,680 Speaker 1: So I think that really changed it. But I mean, 984 00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:14,040 Speaker 1: he's he's sick. I mean, he's so likable and such 985 00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,480 Speaker 1: an incredible story and the father and the whole I mean, 986 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:18,320 Speaker 1: they're characters. 987 00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,280 Speaker 4: They are fucking characters. The father is fucking the best. 988 00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,600 Speaker 2: It's just such a I mean, it's the only truly 989 00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,560 Speaker 2: visual spoil other than Actually so, I got quite into 990 00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,480 Speaker 2: ice fucking So when I was a kid growing up, 991 00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,720 Speaker 2: I me and my brother loved this movie called slap Shot. 992 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,200 Speaker 2: You ever heard of it? 993 00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:39,960 Speaker 1: The come on man are fucking unbelievable, The Hanson brothers, 994 00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:41,040 Speaker 1: Paul Newman. 995 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,920 Speaker 2: Yeah so, but no one in England knows it, but 996 00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,520 Speaker 2: me and my brother films Pool's Newman fucking hilarious, but 997 00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,400 Speaker 2: like a real movie with this sort of backdrop of 998 00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,360 Speaker 2: this working class male town struggling, so it feels like 999 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,960 Speaker 2: a proper movie. But it's fucking funny, and it's goofble 1000 00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,640 Speaker 2: without being goofble. And so for those who don't know, 1001 00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,640 Speaker 2: it's about this struggling team in a town that is struggling, 1002 00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,400 Speaker 2: and then they get this new manager who gets the 1003 00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,400 Speaker 2: psycho players to join the three brothers, and then the 1004 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,759 Speaker 2: most violent lunatics you've ever seen on the ice, and 1005 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,920 Speaker 2: all of a sudden people start coming to watch it, 1006 00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,040 Speaker 2: and they decide, you're not fuck it. Our team's going 1007 00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:18,640 Speaker 2: to close at the end of the year. Let's go 1008 00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,760 Speaker 2: in a blaze of violent glory and he's fucking findy. 1009 00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,600 Speaker 2: So when I was working on Whose America is in Washington, 1010 00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,319 Speaker 2: d C. And I had one evening off, and so 1011 00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:32,200 Speaker 2: I went to watch the Washington Capitols play and it 1012 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,200 Speaker 2: was my first and I fucking loved it. Man, I 1013 00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,120 Speaker 2: had everything. There was a fight. I saw a player. 1014 00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:38,920 Speaker 2: This is how amazing I was. I saw one player. 1015 00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,880 Speaker 2: He got in trouble because he didn't fight right where 1016 00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,560 Speaker 2: he did this thing where he went out. He made 1017 00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,560 Speaker 2: out as if he was going to throw off his mittens, 1018 00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,680 Speaker 2: but he didn't. So the other guy hit him because 1019 00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,919 Speaker 2: he thought, if I do that, he'll get sent off. 1020 00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,719 Speaker 2: But the rest said, no, no, no, you try. I 1021 00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,040 Speaker 2: saw what you did. You can fucking go off and 1022 00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,719 Speaker 2: not fighting. So like one amazing game where you get 1023 00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:03,920 Speaker 2: in trouble for not fighting. 1024 00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,880 Speaker 1: You know, the only sport, the only enter piece of 1025 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:09,760 Speaker 1: entertainment in the world where fighting. 1026 00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,440 Speaker 4: I mean this is like these are like assaults. 1027 00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:16,720 Speaker 1: They condone it, they support it, and if you don't 1028 00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:18,560 Speaker 1: do it, you get a penalty. 1029 00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,239 Speaker 4: That's fucking that's crazy. 1030 00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:24,080 Speaker 2: And it was all I love. I just love the 1031 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,759 Speaker 2: on the coat of it, like because they're fighting the 1032 00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,840 Speaker 2: whole cross gun fight fight and one of them it 1033 00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,239 Speaker 2: gets his ass fucking whooped, but he doesn't feel any 1034 00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,839 Speaker 2: shine or humiliations. Just all right, it's part of the game, 1035 00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:36,680 Speaker 2: is carry on. I really like that. 1036 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,480 Speaker 4: It's just I agree, Yeah, I agree. 1037 00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,400 Speaker 1: I wish I loved the hockey more. I loved it 1038 00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,440 Speaker 1: when I was a kid, but I've lost. But when 1039 00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,879 Speaker 1: I do watch it, sometimes I watch the playoffs, I'm. 1040 00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:48,480 Speaker 4: Like, it's awesome. 1041 00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,560 Speaker 1: And I've been to you know, live games at Madison 1042 00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,080 Speaker 1: Square Garden in LA and where you're watching it live, 1043 00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,400 Speaker 1: it's like, holy fucking shit. It's such a fast paced 1044 00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:00,680 Speaker 1: there's no let up. It's it's a great sport. And anyway, Lee, 1045 00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,239 Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking the time, and I would love 1046 00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:04,240 Speaker 1: to meet you in person. 1047 00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:05,680 Speaker 4: And I can tell you this. 1048 00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,600 Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure you're probably seeing it online, but 1049 00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:14,080 Speaker 1: the videos and the toughness and the humility and the 1050 00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:19,720 Speaker 1: humor that you've brought, you know, supporting Jewish people in Israel, 1051 00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,319 Speaker 1: I know, you know, the people that have seen it 1052 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,840 Speaker 1: that I've shared with, you know, people really you know, 1053 00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,280 Speaker 1: appreciate it, and I know it's needed. And I'm sure 1054 00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,640 Speaker 1: you have a lot of people over here that you 1055 00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,279 Speaker 1: know would articulate. I'm articulating on their behalf. I know 1056 00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,239 Speaker 1: people really appreciate what you're doing. 1057 00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:36,440 Speaker 4: I know I do. Thank you. 1058 00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,040 Speaker 2: Let me just finish. I just want to finish that 1059 00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,480 Speaker 2: one thing. And I've said this in a VID just 1060 00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,600 Speaker 2: to make it clear to people watching. I'm pretty sure 1061 00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:45,960 Speaker 2: I'm in lined with most Jewish people in the world. 1062 00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:50,200 Speaker 2: I don't mind if there's a Palestine. I don't mind 1063 00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:54,080 Speaker 2: if there's a thousand Palestinian Stites, as long as their 1064 00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,839 Speaker 2: goal isn't the destruction of the one Jewish Stite in 1065 00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:02,400 Speaker 2: the world. That's all. We want, just one place in 1066 00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,880 Speaker 2: the land to which our origins are indigenous and just 1067 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,560 Speaker 2: to get on with it. We've got no issue with 1068 00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,680 Speaker 2: the Palestine people. We just don't want to be obliterated, which, 1069 00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,120 Speaker 2: to be honest, I think that's quite a reasonable request. 1070 00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,600 Speaker 4: I totally agree. I totally agree. 1071 00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,720 Speaker 1: Say the thing you said about the flag, articularly the 1072 00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,280 Speaker 1: thing you said about it's just. 1073 00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,320 Speaker 2: Frustrating, Like you get lots of people say in our 1074 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:29,040 Speaker 2: Israel is a racist state. F no fascist state, and 1075 00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,840 Speaker 2: it's like, guys, just grow up for five minutes, right, 1076 00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,160 Speaker 2: if you look at the flags of the world. There's 1077 00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,640 Speaker 2: like a hundred countries with a flag that's got an 1078 00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:42,040 Speaker 2: Islamic crescent on it, and there's like a hundred countries 1079 00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:43,560 Speaker 2: they've got a Christian cross. 1080 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:45,080 Speaker 4: But there's just. 1081 00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,640 Speaker 2: One country in the world, one country with one little 1082 00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:51,120 Speaker 2: tiny Jewish style. And that's too much for people that's 1083 00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:54,080 Speaker 2: got a goal. That's fucking too much, that's too ethnic. 1084 00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,680 Speaker 2: Listen to yourselves, realize the hypocrisy, Realize that you're not 1085 00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,360 Speaker 2: You don't even see your own anti Semitism because it's 1086 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,840 Speaker 2: so pervasive in the non Jewish world. It's the air 1087 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:10,560 Speaker 2: you breathe. Okay, So just grow up. Stop applying double 1088 00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,080 Speaker 2: standards to Jews and Israel that you don't apply to 1089 00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:16,080 Speaker 2: other people. You don't sell America when they experience a 1090 00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,600 Speaker 2: terrorist atrocity. They can't protect themselves. You don't tell England 1091 00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,640 Speaker 2: they can't. You don't tell any country they can't. So 1092 00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,000 Speaker 2: don't be silly, Just be honest. Stop playing games. Israel's 1093 00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:32,040 Speaker 2: just have fourteen hundred civilians and massacred, filmed online, humiliated, kidnapped, 1094 00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,920 Speaker 2: they kill fucking babies. Of course they're going to respond. 1095 00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,360 Speaker 2: So yeah, the end, All. 1096 00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,920 Speaker 1: Right, Cooley, I appreciate it, and I'm looking forward to 1097 00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,800 Speaker 1: meeting you and keep doing your shit and keep creating 1098 00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:44,960 Speaker 1: and keep writing and keep you know, I can't wait 1099 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,280 Speaker 1: to see what you do creatively. 1100 00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:51,600 Speaker 2: Also, thank you a new Man Take Care by. 1101 00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:53,520 Speaker 4: Boom. 1102 00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:55,560 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to the Iron Rapport 1103 00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:59,560 Speaker 1: stereo podcast. You should definitely follow Lee Lee Current at 1104 00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:05,120 Speaker 1: leak Earn on social media. 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