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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Frida Egg Golf Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I am Andy Johnson and uh we are back with

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Speaker 1: another episode with Joseph Lamanna. Obviously, this week there was

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Speaker 1: All right, Joseph, welcome back. It is always a pleasure

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Speaker 3: I'm great, I'm fired up for this conversation. Actually heading

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Speaker 1: Grand swam so I'm pretty excited, honestly, Like two of

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Speaker 1: the US Open one of the things I'm pumped about.

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Speaker 1: I've been in the Midwest for like the last month.

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Speaker 1: I'm going back to California tonight and US Open tennis

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you got a we're gonna talk Ryder Cup.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the American picks. They came out yesterday,

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Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be pretty hardcore accuracy test off

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Speaker 1: I think that that is a huge misconception with match play,

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Speaker 2: Just a bunch of elite finishes. Sorry.

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Speaker 3: One other he finished TI for thirty fifth, so that

435
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Speaker 3: was outside the top twenty of the John Deere. But

436
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Speaker 3: twelve of those fifteen events top twenties. And he's an

437
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Speaker 3: extremely accurate driver of the golf ball. If you think

438
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Speaker 3: about a course on the PGA Tour that demands accuracy,

439
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Speaker 3: Mayacoba is one of those. He won that this past fall.

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Speaker 3: Not saying you want to use Mayacoba as your litmus

441
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Speaker 3: test for Rome, but Russell Henley is a course fit,

442
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Speaker 3: elite long iron player, and he's been extremely consistent this

443
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Speaker 3: entire year. It's hard to poke holes in the argument

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Speaker 3: against Russell Henley.

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Speaker 1: So those are the two guys that you would have

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Speaker 1: liked to see him picked. To me, really where I

447
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Speaker 1: fell is? I you know, I thought Cameron Young was

448
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Speaker 1: kind of the big snub. I think he's the only

449
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Speaker 1: guy that you can you can say like is a

450
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Speaker 1: true like really a snub? Right? I think if we

451
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Speaker 1: got to the point where Cam Young's on the team

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Speaker 1: and one of Burns or Thomas is out, you know

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Speaker 1: that was that last pick should have been decided between them,

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Speaker 1: Russell Henley, you know, Denny McCarthy, other other Keegan Bradley,

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Speaker 1: other people. To me, Cameron Young needs to be on

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Speaker 1: this team. He should be. He's a young player. And

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Speaker 1: you know what what kind of happened And and Brendan

458
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Speaker 1: made this point on on our podcast on the Shotgun

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Speaker 1: start at talking about this topic. You know, if you

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Speaker 1: look at Keegan Bradley's quotes and I'm paraphrasing here, he

461
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Speaker 1: talked about after you know, there is disappointment not being selected,

462
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Speaker 1: how he spent the year the seasoning to become friends

463
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Speaker 1: with people that he thought were going to be on

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Speaker 1: the team, that you know, he he understood that this

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of camaraderie involved, that this was not

466
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Speaker 1: this is a you know, he kind of pointed out

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Speaker 1: that this is indirectly that this is a very political system.

468
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Speaker 1: So if you look at the players that were selected,

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Speaker 1: and you've called into question Sam Burns, he is best

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Speaker 1: friends with Scottie Shuffler, vacations regularly with him, and as

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Speaker 1: well as as Justin Thomas, who might be one of

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Speaker 1: the you know, real decision makers on the Ryder Cup team,

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Speaker 1: might be one of the biggest influences in the room

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Speaker 1: despite you know, in data golf ranking being ranked fifty

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Speaker 1: seven in the world right now, So Justin Thomas gets

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Speaker 1: gets a spot. When Zach Johnson was you know, kind

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Speaker 1: of asked about it, he said he was born, born

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Speaker 1: for this. Couldn't imagine going there without him. Those were

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Speaker 1: the reasons given, despite you know, really a poor season

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Speaker 1: from JT. And I think, listen, like he might go

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Speaker 1: over there and play great and everything. It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: He might go over there and play poorly. But you know,

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Speaker 1: with this Ryder Cup, you look at it and given

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Speaker 1: his form, it seems like a big question mark here.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, if I were to build the case against Justin Thomas,

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Speaker 3: and again I think he's one of the When he's

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Speaker 3: playing well, he's one of the best Americans, There's no doubt.

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Speaker 2: But ultimately, I think the best.

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Speaker 3: Way I can frame the argument that as I've been

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Speaker 3: reflecting on this process, I think the range of outcomes

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Speaker 3: for Justin Thomas at this golf course is it's well

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Speaker 3: within the range of outcomes that he plays very poorly

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Speaker 3: because he's been playing terribly and he's kind of on

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Speaker 3: the downswing a little bit. It's not like he's showing

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Speaker 3: some signs of going the right direction. Almost finished dead

496
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Speaker 3: last at the US Open and opened with an eighty

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Speaker 3: two at the Open Championship, recovered a little bit the

498
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Speaker 3: next day, but he's playing badly. The golf course doesn't

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Speaker 3: fit him particularly well. He's one of the best wedge

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Speaker 3: players in the world. You're not going to hit a

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Speaker 3: lot of wedges here, I don't. I think there's some

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Speaker 3: There are some scenarios where he plays really poorly at

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Speaker 3: Marcos Simone for all of his matches. I think the

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Speaker 3: best case for JT. And you can old takes exposed

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Speaker 3: to me if I'm wrong, But I think the best

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Speaker 3: case is he kind of scrapes by and like maybe

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Speaker 3: wins a match or two, or you know, Judge, if

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Speaker 3: he's partnered with Jordan, Jordan plays really well. They're competitive,

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Speaker 3: maybe wins a match or two. If you pick somebody

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Speaker 3: else like a Cam Young, there's a chance Cam Young

511
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Speaker 3: dominates that event and he's the reason you win the

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Speaker 3: Ryder Cup. His range of about there's so much more upside

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Speaker 3: in a pick like that, and that's what rubs me

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Speaker 3: the wrong way a little bit about the Justin Thomas pick.

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Speaker 3: I understand the team chemistry and the soul of the team,

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Speaker 3: all of those arguments that are made. But ultimately I

517
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Speaker 3: think kind of land On hitting good golf shots solves

518
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Speaker 3: a lot of issues, and Camyon would hit a lot

519
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Speaker 3: of good golf shots.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think if you look at where where JT's really declined,

522
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Speaker 1: and in his decline, I want to be very clear,

523
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Speaker 1: is like, you know, his bottom is not what a

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Speaker 1: lot of other people's bottom is. He is an ultra

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Speaker 1: ultra talented, one of the best, you know, one of

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Speaker 1: the best players in the world. Could make an argument

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Speaker 1: he's the best player in the world when everything's humming.

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Speaker 1: He where is big decline has been has been around

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Speaker 1: driving the golf ball. You know, it's it's been inaccurate,

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Speaker 1: and he's he's not as long as he used to be.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the driving numbers have been poor, his approach

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Speaker 1: play numbers have been much much worse this year. And

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Speaker 1: then he's always kind of outside of really one year,

534
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Speaker 1: been a so so putter. So obviously this is a

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Speaker 1: three day competition, and you know, one of the things

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Speaker 1: about it is golf is very a high variance game.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you if you have you can just

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Speaker 1: have it for three days. You could not have it

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Speaker 1: for three days. Your best player, Scottie Scheffler, might not

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Speaker 1: have it for three days. And if he doesn't have

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Speaker 1: it for three days, the US teams in trouble. Right,

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Speaker 1: But like that's the way it works, Like you can

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Speaker 1: just play twelve players can play pretty mediocre. Like, you know,

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Speaker 1: seven of your guys could just play poorly. We see

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Speaker 1: it every week and week out on the tour when

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Speaker 1: these guys miss cuts right, Elite players miscut. You know,

547
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Speaker 1: so a lot of it comes down to variants in

548
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Speaker 1: this game, in this sport. But you know, again going

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Speaker 1: back to what makes great matchplay players selecting players without

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Speaker 1: a lot of variants, that are really rock solidity to

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Speaker 1: green kind of mitigate some of that variants. And if

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Speaker 1: you think about like the players that have caused like

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Speaker 1: you know, the old stallwarts of the Ryder Cup of

554
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Speaker 1: the European team, a lot of them were very very steady,

555
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Speaker 1: ted green players, and that's what has given the US

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Speaker 1: fits when they've gone abroad. Think about Molinari and Fleetwood

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Speaker 1: as a pairing, what are they ultra ultra elite ball strikers,

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Speaker 1: you know, think about you know, Sergio Garcia as we've

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Speaker 1: talked about before, ultra elite like those. That's the makings

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Speaker 1: of a really dynamic Ryder Cup team pairing. And I

561
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Speaker 1: think like one of the tough things that I found,

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Speaker 1: like one of the cringe things is we're saying this

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Speaker 1: justin Thomas Ryder Cup record, like he's a like living legend.

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Speaker 1: He's played in two Ryder Cups.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we make way too much of Ryder

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Speaker 3: Cup records in general too. That's a that's a hill

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Speaker 3: I'm happy to die on. The You don't look at

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Speaker 3: who they played against or like how they actually.

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Speaker 2: Scored on the holes.

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Speaker 3: You just look at the record, and sometimes you run

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Speaker 3: into you play well and the other guy plays better

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Speaker 3: and you lose, and you were still you still had

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Speaker 3: a strong performance. Justin Thomas has had legitimately strong performances

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Speaker 3: in the Ryder Cups, even when you add in that context.

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Speaker 3: But it is a small sample size. I don't think

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Speaker 3: this golf course sets up particularly well for him, and

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Speaker 3: I think the chance that he goes out there and

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Speaker 3: crushes it is minimal. And when the United States team

579
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Speaker 3: is so deep, you could have picked guys that did that.

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Speaker 3: So again, like I said, I think Cam Young was

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Speaker 3: that player. I think Russell Henley was that player. He

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Speaker 3: kind of profiles a lot like a Fleetwooder, a Molinari,

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Speaker 3: and you could have sold me on, you know, a

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Speaker 3: Lucas Glover, Keigan Bradley before Justin Thomas. But as you've mentioned,

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Speaker 3: it's not always just about what you do on the

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Speaker 3: golf course.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk a little bit about the US

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Speaker 1: team as it's constructed. Are there any pairings that you

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Speaker 1: look at, potential pairings that you look at that really

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Speaker 1: excite you about with the twelve players that are on

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Speaker 1: this team.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I probably need to get a little more into

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Speaker 3: that before giving you a firmer answer. I think starting

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Speaker 3: to materialize the more I've gone through the golf course,

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Speaker 3: which players are well suited for the course, Like I

596
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Speaker 3: think a Max Homa is a sneaky could be really

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Speaker 3: good here. I think calin Markawa is going to be

598
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Speaker 3: excellent here. And that's I know that they have some chemistry,

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Speaker 3: so wouldn't be shocked to see those two paired together.

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Speaker 1: You know JT is cal bear action.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know.

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Speaker 3: J T and Speith are going to play together. I

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Speaker 3: think it's likely Burns and Scheffler are going to play together,

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Speaker 3: which is kind of a high variance one. I think

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Speaker 3: that could work out, and I also don't I think

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Speaker 3: they could be not the best pairing to where Europe's

607
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Speaker 3: not that scared of them. I think, you know, Xander

608
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Speaker 3: and can't Lay are probably going to play together, So

609
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Speaker 3: it's not too hard to start to figure out where

610
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Speaker 3: these guys are gonna potentially match up. But I can't

611
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Speaker 3: tell you that like an alternate shot optimal pairing that

612
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Speaker 3: I've gone through all that yet.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things when you get

615
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Speaker 1: when you become kind of this reincarnation of the old

616
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Speaker 1: boys Club, that this era of players kind of blew

617
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Speaker 1: up and it's seemingly back is that you get these

618
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Speaker 1: like locked in pairings that have to play together. Speth

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Speaker 1: and JT are going to play together, Xander and Cantley

620
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Speaker 1: are going to play together. I think he made a

621
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Speaker 1: great point about Homo more Kwa cal Bears, They're going

622
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Speaker 1: to probably play together. And then you know, Burns seemingly

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Speaker 1: one of the big reasons he got picked was his

624
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Speaker 1: he's you know him and Scottie Shuffler or boys, which

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Speaker 1: leaves like, you know Fowler. I think like you could

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Speaker 1: kind of go through this and it leaves Fowler and Brooks.

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Speaker 1: I imagine they live in the same area. I imagine,

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Speaker 1: you know, Fowler's pretty agreeable and Brooks, like, I imagine

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Speaker 1: that probably looks like a pairing. And then it leaves

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Speaker 1: Wyndham Clark and Ricky and Brian Harmon the two kind

631
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Speaker 1: of guys that crashed this this boys clubs. As Keith

632
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: and Bradley pointed out what he was asked about about

633
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: missing he needed to he in future years he feels

634
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Speaker 1: like he has to qualify on points to make the team.

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Speaker 1: These two qualified on points to make the team, and

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Speaker 1: I wonder if they would have if there were twelve

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Speaker 1: twelve just exclusively twelve captains picks, Brian Harmon probably isn't

638
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Speaker 1: on this team. Wyndham Clark might be, but Wyndham Clark

639
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Speaker 1: and Brian Harmon seems like a logical pairing as well.

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Speaker 1: I think that's one of the fascinating things, is like,

641
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 1: in terms of Luke Donald, when you have these locked

642
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: in pairings, it kind of allows Luke Donald the opportunity

643
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: to game against them with course setup, with his own

644
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Speaker 1: pairings and other things.

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Speaker 3: I agree with you, and I think overall, one thing

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Speaker 3: I feel pretty confident saying without being in some of

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Speaker 3: the team rooms is that Europe generally has a little

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Speaker 3: healthier I think philosophy around some of this stuff, which

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Speaker 3: is like pair me with anybody and I'll if you

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Speaker 3: tell me it's the right person for me to go with,

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Speaker 3: like I trust and I'll go out and hit good shots.

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Speaker 3: Whereas I think Team USA it's doing a little more

653
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Speaker 3: dictating about who they want to be paired with and

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Speaker 3: who they want on the team, and I think that

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Speaker 3: flexibility is beneficial for Europe.

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Speaker 2: Don't know that. I don't know that, Luke.

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Speaker 3: There's a whole lot Luke Donald's going to be able

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Speaker 3: to do because once the event starts, you can't do

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Speaker 3: a whole lot with like pin locations and stuff that's

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Speaker 3: out of his hands. But I'm with you that the

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Speaker 3: overall Europe has more flexibility, and I think that speaks

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Speaker 3: to the mindset of some of the players in there,

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Speaker 3: who often are a little bit more open to some

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Speaker 3: of that kind of information the analytics side. I think

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Speaker 3: it's fair to say that Europe's a little more open

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Speaker 3: minded about that, not just among the captains but among

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Speaker 3: the players.

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Speaker 1: In a way, the American team is kind of, you know,

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Speaker 1: the overall seemingly leadership style is very intertwined with the

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Speaker 1: direction of the PGA Tour, where it's the top players

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Speaker 1: dictating the the way that the tour now is govern

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Speaker 1: is run, and so there's I think there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of similarities and a lot of you know, people that

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Speaker 1: in this in this room, that you know are very

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Speaker 1: good at hitting a golf ball, that believe that they

676
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Speaker 1: are also very good at knowing what's best for their team.

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Speaker 3: I agree with you, and I don't want to entirely

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Speaker 3: dismiss that, like Randall Cobb is on the Jets because

679
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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers wants him on the Jets, And I do

680
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Speaker 3: think when you vouch for people, there is some camaraderie

681
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Speaker 3: that's built in, and when you tee it up next

682
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Speaker 3: to them, like I think, it can elevate your performance.

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Speaker 3: I think we go too far in that direction, and

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Speaker 3: I prefer the mentality of just give me any partner

685
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Speaker 3: and I'll go out there and get the job done.

686
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Speaker 3: But I don't want to entirely dismiss how vouching for

687
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Speaker 3: others it can build camaraderie only other One other note

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Speaker 3: I had is that we talk so much about chemistry

689
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Speaker 3: and so much about like alternate shot pairings and stuff,

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Speaker 3: it's still important to remember that these players are going

691
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Speaker 3: to play most of them three to four matches, and

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Speaker 3: one of those is for sure singles, right, so you know,

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Speaker 3: twenty five to thirty three percent of your matches, It

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Speaker 3: doesn't some of that doesn't matter. Like you, it's you

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Speaker 3: alone on the golf course. And so that's where i'd

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Speaker 3: really prioritize. Some of these guys who fit the course well,

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Speaker 3: you know, have been consistently strong performers all year. Form

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Speaker 3: is a great indicator of success.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's the fascinating question I wrote a

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Speaker 1: little bit in UH Wednesday's newsletter about this is what

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Speaker 1: should the Ryder Cup team be? How should the picks

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Speaker 1: be selected? There's money at stake with these with these selections,

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Speaker 1: you know, player incentives and contracts and in some contracts

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Speaker 1: and and then obviously the pit program and everything that's involved.

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Speaker 1: Should these picks be you know, hey, we're the leaders

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Speaker 1: of the team. This is who we want to play with.

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Speaker 1: We're captains, this is who we want. Or should it

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Speaker 1: be more merit based? With the fact that it is

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Speaker 1: like a career honor, a career distinction and now a

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Speaker 1: very you know, it's a lucrative spot to gain. Should

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Speaker 1: it be more merit based or should it be more Hey,

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Speaker 1: this is the guy that we wanted on our team.

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Speaker 3: In my opinion, it works very well the way it's

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Speaker 3: running right now with six auto qualifiers and six captains picks.

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Speaker 3: Of course it gets political, but it is an option

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Speaker 3: to earn your spot, and Brian Harmon can testify to that,

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Speaker 3: as can Wyndham Clark. But Brian Harmon's more of the

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Speaker 3: He's been around for a while and earned his way on.

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Speaker 3: I think it works well now and there's going to

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Speaker 3: be controversy if you have six captain's picks, if you

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Speaker 3: have two, if you have zero, there's always going to

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Speaker 3: be arguments that the process could be better.

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Speaker 2: I think it works well when.

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Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, I kind of agree too. And what I

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Speaker 1: really agree with is that I think it's great for

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Speaker 1: the sport, the discourse and interest that this creates an

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Speaker 1: event that's a month away like that rarely rarely happens

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Speaker 1: outside of the Masters. Is there anything that generates this?

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Speaker 3: The super Bowl and the Player Atpact program, we're both

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Speaker 3: pretty exciting for fans.

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Speaker 1: I got a text from my group of like casual friends,

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Speaker 1: a casual golf friend. It was it's a group chat

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Speaker 1: about golf, and you know, mostly it's revolves around like

767
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Speaker 1: playing golf. Rarely does it revolve around the PGA Tour.

768
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Speaker 1: It revolves around the majors during major weeks, but rarely

769
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Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. And the comment, the comment was like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I can't I can't remember the last time

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Speaker 1: there was like a meaningful shot and a meaning or

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Speaker 1: meaningful golf tournament on the PGA Tour or something like that.

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Speaker 1: And to me, like I immediately said, like, the last week

774
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Speaker 1: was really good at the BMW, But I think this

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Speaker 1: person didn't even know that it was a net to

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Speaker 1: start that like that. It would have been in a

777
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Speaker 1: fascinating tournament at the Tour Championship with Victor Hovlin and

778
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Speaker 1: Xanderschoff really separating themselves and lifting from the competition. That

779
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Speaker 1: would have been an amazing, amazing tournament with meaningful shots

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Speaker 1: hit down the stretch everything that they're looking for. I mean,

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Speaker 1: like the this thing, it can't this isn't it. What

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Speaker 1: the Tour Championship. I don't mean to diverge from the

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Speaker 1: Ryder Cup here, but what we watched last week can't

784
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Speaker 1: be it. And I'm not saying that like one way

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Speaker 1: is it, but this isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Well, look, I know we don't want to go too

787
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Speaker 3: far on this path, but to tie it back to

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Speaker 3: the Ryder Cup. Something I had in my notes was,

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Speaker 3: isn't it kind of funny that less than forty eight

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Speaker 3: hours after the Tour Championship, the season end pinnacle, all

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Speaker 3: anyone's talking about is the Ryder Cup and one of

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Speaker 3: the captain's picks is Justin Thomas, who didn't qualify for

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Speaker 3: the playoffs at all. I mean, what does that say

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Speaker 3: about how much people view what kind of light the

795
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Speaker 3: actual tour product is viewed in with relation to you know,

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Speaker 3: who's going to be playing well on the biggest stages.

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Speaker 3: So don't want to derail us there, but I think

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Speaker 3: it is interesting that the week after the Tour Championship,

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Speaker 3: no one's talking about it.

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Speaker 1: You know, real quick, where I've like, after a few

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Speaker 1: days of really thinking about this like the Tour Championship.

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Speaker 1: Like I cover golf for a living, I I you know,

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Speaker 1: I want it to be as successful, as popular and

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Speaker 1: popular as possible, because that's that is inherently what everybody

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Speaker 1: that is involved in the sport wants. They want the

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Speaker 1: sport to be thriving. And you know, I think there

807
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Speaker 1: this is a puzzle that hasn't been solved yet. It

808
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Speaker 1: is a very valuable property in a potentially great event.

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Speaker 1: It's just not there yet. And where I, like the

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Speaker 1: last couple of days, I've just found myself like very

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Speaker 1: occupied in thought about what's going on and what the

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Speaker 1: what the solution is and and it's a complex problem. Right.

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Speaker 1: Players want regular season perform ormance rewarded. They I think

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Speaker 1: if they had it their way, it would just be

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Speaker 1: a payout to the best players over the course of

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Speaker 1: the year. That's what they want. They do not want

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Speaker 1: the idea. They didn't want Adam shank winning, you know,

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Speaker 1: eighteen million dollars by playing thirty one events, and you know,

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Speaker 1: they want the best players to be the only ones

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Speaker 1: that have a chance. Right, So with that in mind,

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Speaker 1: I think that they need to reallocate some of this

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Speaker 1: money and it needs to just go to the regular season,

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Speaker 1: like it needs to be substantial amount of money, like

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Speaker 1: maybe half of it just goes to the regular season.

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Speaker 1: Because as Rom said last week, like this isn't about money.

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Speaker 1: This is about winning, right if you reallocated money and

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Speaker 1: made the end of the regular season more valuable significantly,

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Speaker 1: like I'm talking like triple the end of the regular season.

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Speaker 1: I know that they have a big increase, but make

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Speaker 1: that huge then have a real playoff, have the opportunity

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Speaker 1: for someone to be eliminated. It was a big deal

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Speaker 1: when Justin Thomas was eliminated at the Windom. That is

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Speaker 1: an amazing way to have it. And then all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, this can be a competition, it can be

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Speaker 1: a actual playoff. Right now, they're stuck between wanting playoffs

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Speaker 1: but also wanting to reward regular season play, and it

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Speaker 1: puts you in the middle, which just doesn't work.

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Speaker 2: I think my opinions on this are well known. I

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Speaker 2: totally agree.

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Speaker 3: I think everyone who plays in the Tour Championship needs

841
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Speaker 3: to have had a season worthy of being the champion

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Speaker 3: if they do win, so it should be eight to

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Speaker 3: twelve players match play. I don't think I need to

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Speaker 3: go on much more here. I'm in total agreement with you.

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Speaker 3: One thing that you just reminded me of. That's going

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Speaker 3: back to Justin Thomas a little bit, because I don't

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Speaker 3: think i've heard this point made. We talk so much

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Speaker 3: about match play and how important it is. Justin Thomas

849
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Speaker 3: skipped Dell match play this year, and if you had

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Speaker 3: just played and not even done anything, he'd have made

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Speaker 3: the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: I think he only played twenty one times. Adam Shank

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Speaker 1: played like thirty two times for sure.

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Speaker 2: And that's a huge problem.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, even going back to the Ryder Cup conversation,

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Speaker 3: like Justin Thomas didn't even have to beat anybody. You

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Speaker 3: get points just for participating in down matchplay. He finished

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Speaker 3: seventy first. If he played that event, he's in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of unbelievable. And you know that same events

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Speaker 1: the reason that Sam Burns is on the team.

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Speaker 2: Right that That's what's what I'm saying. Yeah, it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: All right, Let's talk European team a little bit while

863
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: we're here. They make their picks after the after labor day.

864
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: How do you like the way that the European team's

865
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: shaping up and do you have anybody that in particular

866
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: at that back end, which I think is always the

867
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 1: problem with the European team that back end of the lineup.

868
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: Are there anybody? Is there anybody in that back end

869
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: that you really would like to see pick?

870
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 2: Yeah?

871
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 3: Disclaimer, I watched less DP World Golf than I watch

872
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 3: PJ Tour Golf, so a little less familiar with some

873
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 3: of their skill sets.

874
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 2: I think the team is shaping up.

875
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 3: Well, especially at the top. I mean, how many golfers

876
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 3: do you feel about feel better about than Victor Hoveland

877
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 3: coming into this Ryder Cup in the way that he

878
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 3: fits this course. So you know you're talking about Rory

879
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 3: Ram and Hoveland at the top. And I also have

880
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 3: a ton of confidence in the way Fleetwood sets up.

881
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 3: I think Fitzpatrick could be dangerous. Tiro Hatton's been playing

882
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 3: really well all year. Wouldn't surprise me if he plays well.

883
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 3: Lowry Rose like they've got guys, so I think they

884
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 3: are absolutely competitive, and this thing's probably pretty close to

885
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 3: a coin flipped with a slight edge to the Americans.

886
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 3: On the back end, I'm less familiar with some of.

887
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: You forgot the skill set, forgot you forgot Cepstraca. You

888
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: forgot Sepstraca, how dare you?

889
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 2: I've got him listed, but I don't.

890
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 3: I don't know that he's gonna, you know, break any

891
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 3: records at this Ryder Cup, but he could be solid.

892
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: I think Ludwig Aberg's.

893
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 3: Interesting, especially because of how good of a driver he is,

894
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 3: so again, without being super familiar with all the skill

895
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 3: sets of every player who's being considered, I think you

896
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 3: have to give him a pretty You got to give

897
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 3: him a look.

898
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: I mean, he's an.

899
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 3: Excellent driver with the golf ball, both long and straight,

900
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 3: so I think he's got a pretty good case. I'm

901
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 3: sure Adrian Moronk won at this golf course and I'm

902
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 3: guessing he'll be on the team. So I guess Bobby

903
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 3: McIntyre's maybe the other player that doesn't really set up

904
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 3: that well for the course necessarily, but it'll probably be

905
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 3: on the team.

906
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 1: I think the thing with morunk and Is in particular

907
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,959
Speaker 1: and Aberg and Sepstraca, is that all three of those

908
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: players have shown the ability to make flurries of birdies.

909
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: I believe Mornk last year led the European Tour and birdies.

910
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: I believe Stepstraca is near the top of the PGA

911
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: tour and birdies. So if you're like unlike a lot

912
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: of times we get to the back end, like obviously always,

913
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: the back end of Europe is a is a struggle,

914
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: like it's their you know, they just don't have the

915
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: depth that the Americans have. They aren't rolling out like

916
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: you know, last year or at Whistling Straits. America's last

917
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: guy on the team is is Scottie Scheffler. You know,

918
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: I think the difference between this year's European team and

919
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: and the recent European team is they don't have guys

920
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: that are just like grinders, that are par guys like

921
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: guys that make lots of parers. They have some they

922
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: actually have some firepower. They have some you know, a

923
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: little bit more high variance guys. I think if you're

924
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: if you're weak at the back end, you want that

925
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: high variance rather than someone who's just like kind of

926
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: an average plotter. I don't know how you feel about that,

927
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: but it seems to me that would be a little

928
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: bit more give you a little bit more dynamic of

929
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: a of pairing capabilities and a team.

930
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I the the back I don't know that

931
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 3: This Ryder Cup is going to be decided by those

932
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 3: last couple guys who aren't even gonna play that many matches.

933
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 3: If I'm looking at where Team Europe's are vulnerable, it's

934
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 3: probably more in the middle, where you have you start

935
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 3: to stack up like the Hatton Lowry Fitzpatrick Roses, who

936
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 3: you need to play a decent number of matches against,

937
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 3: like the Xander can't lay home like some of those

938
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 3: guys in the middle. I think that's probably what will

939
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 3: ultimately decide this Ryder Cup. They're fine at the top,

940
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 3: the bottom is serviceable. I think you need some of

941
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 3: those guys in the middle to step up and like

942
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 3: who Andy, Who's gonna be that player on Team Europe

943
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 3: that isn't one of the top three but just shreds it.

944
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: I think that the natural reaction right now, based off

945
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: of how he's played the last four months, how he's

946
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: played in Ryder Cups before, is Tommy Fleetwood right. He

947
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: seems like a guy that has to play well for

948
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: them them to win. Matt Fitzpatrick hasn't earned a Ryder

949
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 1: Cup point yet, and I think he's a dramatically different

950
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: golfer than he was the last time this was played,

951
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: and I think that that could be. You know, he

952
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 1: could be a big swing guy to me if I'm

953
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: looking at it, Like Shane Lowry was really good at

954
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: Whistling Straits. He seems to play, he plays. He's not

955
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: the most accurate player, but you know, he's got a

956
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: good short game and he's fiery. I you know, I

957
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: hate I kind of hate that expression, but he's a

958
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: kind of guy that is a competitor, you know. The

959
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: I would I would lean towards Fleetwood, Fitzie as the

960
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: guys that are really the swing guys that they need

961
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 1: to play well. They need two of the three of Hatton, Fleetwood,

962
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: and Fitzpatrick to play well.

963
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 3: I agree, I think those are I could see Matt

964
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 3: Fitzpatrick doing very well in this golf course.

965
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so early prediction, who would you who would you

966
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 1: give the edge? I mean your newsletter is called finding

967
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: the Edge? Who's who? Who did you give the edge?

968
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: Right now? To? Obviously the USA is heavily favored in

969
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: all all books. Do you think that that shouldn't be

970
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:01,720
Speaker 1: the case.

971
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 3: So USA is not as favorite as they were. They

972
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 3: were like minus two hundred. So when probability about sixty

973
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 3: five percent as of a couple months ago, and it's

974
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 3: down to like minus one fifty in most places, so

975
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 3: you know, just under sixty percent when you remove the juice.

976
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 3: It's trending that way. And I think the Team USA

977
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 3: should be a small favorite, but not by a lot.

978
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 3: And if you made me take either side, I would

979
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 3: lean with the European side.

980
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 2: How about you.

981
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:38,760
Speaker 1: I think the Americans are the favorites still, They're always

982
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: the favorites. I think they just have so much depth.

983
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 1: I just you know, but I would say that, like

984
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: this is when you take into a fact into account form,

985
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: the Europeans are certainly trending to very close and I

986
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: think it's going to come down to Captaincy, like you

987
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: can make up the edge and Captaincy. I would all

988
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: almost give it a toss up at this point. And

989
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: I think like Luke Donald might might be a bit

990
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: more cerebral. Uh. You know, you have Molinari, who's you know,

991
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: that's a very data driven family in general. Uh, and

992
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: then you have you know, I just think that you have,

993
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: as you said, a little bit more open mindedness, a

994
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: little bit more flex you know, just flexibility. I think

995
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: one thing that that should be talked about is like,

996
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 1: this is a dramatically different European team makeup. This is

997
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 1: the first year that you don't have a lot of

998
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: long term guys. Sergio is not there, uh Lee, Westwood's

999
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: not there, Poulter's not there. So this is going to

1000
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,439
Speaker 1: be a different team dynamic too. And and I think

1001
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: that that is one of the big I think that

1002
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: you're the American team, the challenge is going to be

1003
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: getting a little bit of flexibility with pairings. You know,

1004
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: uh are are we are we rolling out just the

1005
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: same pairings because that's who people want to play with

1006
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: or they're the best fit. I think with the Europeans,

1007
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: it's going to be assimilating a really new team, a

1008
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: really green young team together and getting people comfortable in

1009
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: the moment.

1010
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 3: If as you look which Americans you feel like there's

1011
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 3: almost no way they don't play well, like they are

1012
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 3: going to be rock solid in Rome. For me, I

1013
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 3: think Xanderschafflee and Patrick Cantley, it's like, Okay, I think

1014
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 3: they're going to be really really good. Outside of that,

1015
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 3: I mean there's some other players I have confidence in,

1016
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 3: but not maybe to that degree, especially seeing some of

1017
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 3: Scottie Scheffler's The putter recently is a little scary. Like

1018
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 3: I know said, putting's not the most important thing, but

1019
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 3: it's it's kind of at a crazy level right now.

1020
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 3: Who do you feel supremely confident in when they tee

1021
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 3: it up in Rome on the American.

1022
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 1: Side, You know, I have to say Scottie Scheffler. Yeah,

1023
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: the t degree games just spent so good that I think, like,

1024
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: like alternate shot, he's not hitting, He's gonna hit a

1025
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: lot less short putts. It's not a long putting problem.

1026
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: It's a short putting problem. You know. Granted there's gonna

1027
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: be high leverage putts, but like that that ball striking

1028
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,280
Speaker 1: in an alternate shot format is so so, so so valuable.

1029
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: Right So I'm very confident in Scottie despite the putter.

1030
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: I mean, as we saw all year again, like you

1031
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: can't he just is a relentless guy. I think more

1032
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: Kawa with recent recent form. I feel really good about

1033
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: two so I and I would Echo, Can't Lay and Sander.

1034
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,720
Speaker 1: So I think those four I feel really good about.

1035
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 1: But I don't think I feel as good about any

1036
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:46,240
Speaker 1: of them as as I feel about really like I

1037
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: Rom's not playing well I do. I'm not worried about

1038
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: rom hoveland Is, I'm not worried and and Rory I

1039
00:56:55,960 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: think like those three are are probably the guys that

1040
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: I feel the best about. All three of those guys

1041
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 1: are the guys that I feel the three best about

1042
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: heading in. And I think like there's a little bit

1043
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 1: more relevant European golf the next couple weeks, like I do,

1044
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: like it's hard to be sharp when your season ends

1045
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: a month before the competition, Like I think there is

1046
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: an advantage to the Europeans with the way their their

1047
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: schedule works out that they are playing real golf two

1048
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:27,919
Speaker 1: weeks before the Ryder Cup.

1049
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 2: No disagreement here. And the only other thing I guess.

1050
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 3: I'd chime in on is when you said you feel

1051
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 3: really good about Rory ramin Hovland, I think Fleetwood I

1052
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 3: feel similarly good about.

1053
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 2: Not not quite on that level, but yeah, too far behind.

1054
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 1: He's been sensational, he hasn't won, but match plays not

1055
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,439
Speaker 1: about about winning against one hundred and fifty six guys.

1056
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: It's about beating one guy and if you did. If

1057
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: you did is like a Sagarin ranking over the last

1058
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: six months. It's got to be through the roof because

1059
00:57:58,320 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: he's been just a top ten.

1060
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 2: Machine probably looks like Russell Hemley's.

1061
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: All right, Joseph, you got anything coming up that's exciting

1062
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: or you know what, what can we look out for?

1063
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 3: I'll probably put out some long thoughts on the Ryder

1064
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 3: Cup in advance of when the event actually starts, with

1065
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 3: like some pairings and some holes. I guess to tease that.

1066
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 3: It's interesting that a lot of the part reasons semi

1067
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 3: driveable par fours are all odd holes, which is just

1068
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 3: an interesting thing to start considering as you look through

1069
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 3: the pairings. So I'll be looking into stuff like that

1070
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 3: and I'll probably have some thoughts on that.

1071
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: All right, so they can find you. You're writing for

1072
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: the Frida Egg, but also your own newsletter, Finding the Edge.

1073
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Speaker 1: Recommend everybody sign up for that. Also follow you on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: So hey, Joseph, thanks so much for coming on and

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Speaker 1: it's always fun to chat and looking forward, I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is this is one of the this, I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is probably the most fun event we have in golf.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait. And what makes it so fun is

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Speaker 1: all of the armschair quarterback, the quarterbacking that you can

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Speaker 1: do with it.

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Speaker 2: Looking forward to it. Thanks for having me on and.

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Speaker 1: Andy, thank you for listening to another edition of the

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Speaker 1: Friday Golf Podcast. Today's episode was edited by Matt Russis.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Matt, new resident of Colorado Matt Rus's congrats

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Speaker 1: on the move, Matt. As a reminder, we talked about

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Speaker 1: it at the top, but we've got a pro shop

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Speaker 1: sale going on over Labor Day weekend. Labor Day fifteen

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Speaker 1: gets you fifteen percent off everything in the Friday Golf

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Speaker 1: pro Shop, so that includes print, photography as well as

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Speaker 1: all the merchandise, and you just go to proshop dot

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Speaker 1: thefridagg dot com and you can peruse there. Thanks. I

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Speaker 1: hope everybody has a happy and safe Labor Day weekend.

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Speaker 1: I honestly probably one of my favorite holidays of the year,

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Speaker 1: so look forward to it. And we will be back

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Speaker 1: one episode next week. So we will be back next

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Speaker 1: week with one episode. I will I'll put something together

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Speaker 1: next week, so talk to you then and thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: As always,