1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Hey, Hurdlers, Emily a Body here. You are listening to 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: episode sixty five of Hurdle, a podcast that talks to 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: everyone from entrepreneurs to top CEOs and athletes about how 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: they've gotten through tough times hurdles of sorts by leaning 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: into wellness. Today, I'm going to be chatting with Nicole Santano. 6 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: She is the CEO and founder of Splendid Spoon. It's 7 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: a plant based ready to eat meal delivery service. They've 8 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: got smoothies and they've got soups, and trust me, they're 9 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: pretty delicious. Before we get to her story, a quick 10 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: shout out to my sponsor, Athletic Greens. 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I actually really 22 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: loved sitting down with her just last week to record this. 23 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: In today's episode, she talks to me about how she 24 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: knew from a young age that she was fascinated with food, 25 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: and even when she was working as a media strategist 26 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 1: at big companies like Kande Nast, there was a part 27 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: of her inside that was just so ready to figure 28 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: out how to make that passion a bigger part of 29 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: her day to day. But her relationship with food hasn't 30 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: always been a positive one, and you'll hear her get 31 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: really honest with the disordered eating she had back in college. 32 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: We talk about how she was able to get away 33 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: from that, how she was able to make a positive 34 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: change in her life and reframe that relationship with food. 35 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: We also talk about what it was like going to 36 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: culinary school and building Splendid Spoon from the ground up. 37 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: You know, you hear it a lot from the entrepreneurs 38 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: that I have on this show that starting from scratch 39 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 1: can be super intimidating, and for Nicole it definitely was. 40 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: What's even harder to imagine is that she talks about 41 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: today going through a divorce with her husband while this 42 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: company was just about to launch, and the stresses and 43 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: the pressure that that put on her. It's pretty admirable. Actually, 44 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: she talks about leaning into the business, finding her strength 45 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: from something that she was so passionate about to get 46 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: through some of these really tough times. Now. I do 47 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: want to touch on something really quick in today's episode, 48 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: Like I said, Nicole talks to me about her time 49 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: with an eating disorder, and she also mentions that she 50 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,959 Speaker 1: didn't really talk to anyone about it. So if you're 51 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: listening to this and you feel like you're struggling with something, 52 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: talk to someone, reach out to a friend, reach out 53 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: to a non I misshelpline. There is someone there that 54 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: wants to listen to you, that wants to help you, 55 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: and just know you're not alone. I also want to 56 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: just take a quick second and shout out all of 57 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: the hurdlers that came to the Hurdle Run Club at 58 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: the Santa Monica Pere this morning. It was so so 59 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: awesome to get to interact with you guys in person. 60 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: I know when I put that call out on social media, 61 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: I got a lot of messages asking if I would 62 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: do this in other cities. Trust me, it's definitely on 63 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: my radar. But for now New York, I can promise 64 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: you I'm coming for you. So if you want to run, 65 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: if you like what you're listening to, if you have 66 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: any other feedback, you always know where to find me. 67 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: It's at Emily Body and at Hurdle Podcasts on Instagram 68 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: and Twitter and Facebook, and also always always via email. 69 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: It's Emily at Hurdle dot us. I'm telling you I'm 70 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: gearing up for a big week here out in Los Angeles. 71 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: I'm doing seven different hurdle podcasts. So excited. That's a 72 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: total understatement to fill you guys in on what's to come. 73 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: And that's different. Now with that, let's get to hurtling today. 74 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here with Nicole Santano. She is the founder 75 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: and CEO of Splendid Spoon. Hey, hey, let's shaken. 76 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: It's hot. 77 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: It's hot, the hot day to be shaken. I know 78 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: you were telling me you just got back from Austin. Yeah, 79 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: hotter in Austin hotter on par. 80 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 2: Well, it's said eighty nine in Austin and eighty nine 81 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: in New York. But it I did not believe the 82 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 2: temperature reading. It felt like two thousand degrees in Austin. 83 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: Oh, the worst, the worst, and the humidity just gets Yeah, 84 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: yeah it was. 85 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 2: It was hot, But I love Austin. 86 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 1: Where are you from, Massachusetts? Okay, not Austin, Austin not 87 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 1: nearly as hot. No, when did you make the jump 88 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: over to New York City? 89 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: I went to school in Boston, so I spent my 90 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 2: entire life in New England up until after college, and 91 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 2: then I moved to New York. 92 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: Okay, So before we get into this here, I think 93 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: it's important to let the hurdlers know what Splendid Spoon is. 94 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: So why don't you give them the rundown. 95 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, Splendid Spoon delivers ready to eat, plant based, super 96 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 2: clean lunches and breakfasts right to your home. So it's 97 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 2: ready to drink smoothies, ready to eat soups and stews, 98 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: and everything's designed to create a routine for you in 99 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: the middle of your busy work week. 100 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: Okay, So was it always breakfasts and lunch because I 101 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: think I think, I recall it used to just be soups. 102 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 2: It used to just be soups. It started with just soups, okay, 103 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: So it was just lunch or soup for breakfast often. 104 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: Do okay, So give me a snippet of what some 105 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: of these soup flavors entail, and then we can kind 106 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: of reach out into the other offerings that you guys have. 107 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: It's a I mean, it really runs the gamut. So 108 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 2: there's everything from like a really light fennel consumme that 109 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 2: has a lemon peel and a bit of spice to 110 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 2: a really hearty Moroccan lentil that it kind of has 111 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: like a tagine vibe. Our Lentil Kale is super popular. 112 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 2: We have a reddit too, so we have over forty 113 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 2: different flavors. 114 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: Wow. 115 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 2: And then on the smoothie side, everything is way lower 116 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: in sugar than pretty much anything else out there that 117 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 2: you can get, and especially in the ready to drink format, 118 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 2: so you can literally pull a bottle out of your 119 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 2: fridge and gulp it down on your way to work. 120 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: And is this all delivery based or can you buy 121 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: them places? Or where do people get. 122 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 2: Splendid spoon it's all delivery based. Okay, So you can 123 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 2: go to splendidspoon dot com you can order. We deliver everywhere, 124 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 2: so literally every state in the continental US. 125 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: Which is awesome, awesome. And when I order splendid Spoon, 126 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: if I was to open my laptop right now and 127 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: click order, how fast does it arrive at it. 128 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 2: Comes with it? It's about a week. 129 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, okay, cool. So these are the basics. 130 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 2: Those are the basics. 131 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,799 Speaker 1: So let's dial it back before we were delivering nationwide. Yeah, 132 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: were you always into Have you always been a plant 133 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: based diet? Not a girl? 134 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 2: Definitely not. I love food as many of us do, 135 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 2: but I think I've always been driven by food and 136 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 2: the sensory experience, and like so many of my memories 137 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 2: around food, Like I have a memory of wiping butter 138 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 2: off of the butter plate in my grandmother's house because 139 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 2: I just loved that like sweet salty, creamy flavor. And 140 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 2: I grew vegetables in a garden with my mom and 141 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 2: made strawberry jam, and I just have always been very 142 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: interested in food. I studied biology when I was in college, 143 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: is like a way to figure out how it all 144 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 2: works for food. Yeah, So I Actually I ended up 145 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 2: what got me really excited about biology was working in 146 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 2: my independent studies were in a biochemistry lab, so I 147 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 2: looked at diet therapies as treatment for epilepsia because it's 148 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 2: an ancient diet. It's an ancient ritual really to put 149 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 2: people on different fasts or different diets when or having 150 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 2: symptoms of disease. And it was really powerful. I mean, 151 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 2: it really showed me just how powerful what you eat 152 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 2: can be on how you live and how you feel. 153 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 2: And so that really catalyzed something in me. At that time, 154 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 2: I also had an eating disorder, so that was also 155 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 2: like a very scary, dark experience with food, and I've 156 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 2: seen food from all those different angles. So part of 157 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 2: my recovery after school was going to culinary school. Actually, 158 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: it was like when I wanted to go to culinary school, 159 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 2: I knew that I had regained that healthy relationship with 160 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 2: food again where I could enjoy it for pleasure and 161 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 2: I wasn't in that dark place of counting calories and 162 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 2: reward versus punishment. So food in every format, good and bad, 163 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 2: has been really important for my personal growth. 164 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: It's got to be so interesting to feel as though 165 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: you want nothing to do with food while also learning 166 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: about food all the time. 167 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 2: It's you know, I think for me at that formative age, 168 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 2: like college adolescens, like your early twenties, there was something 169 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 2: about I was the eating disorder was all about control. 170 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 2: It was all about like how to regain a sense 171 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 2: of control and a sense of order. I had chosen 172 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: a science degree over my English degree because I wanted 173 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 2: to be challenged more and it really challenged me. And 174 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 2: studying then also food as fuel versus food as pleasure 175 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 2: was also a really sort of grounding force for me. 176 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 2: And it wasn't until I got out of culinary school, 177 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 2: or that I was in culinary school, that I was 178 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 2: really able to kind of process all of that and 179 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 2: understand that food is not one or the other for 180 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 2: any human being. It's never just food. It's never purely emotion. 181 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 2: It's always a mix of both. 182 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: So you went to college with the idea that you 183 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: wanted to study biology specifically to get into food. 184 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 2: Or no, I went to college like to go to college. Yeah, 185 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 2: I went to college. I went to a liberal arts 186 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 2: school because I wanted to learn about lots of different 187 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 2: things and also honestly because that's what I had been 188 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 2: told to do my whole life was like, you go 189 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 2: to college, we will help you. You will have some 190 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 2: semblance of student loans. But like as my parents were 191 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 2: like determined to put me into college, and then after 192 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 2: that it was always very clear that I would be 193 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 2: on my own, and so I trusted that advice and 194 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 2: believed that it would give me some foundation of being 195 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 2: on my own. So that was why I went to college. 196 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 2: And I had always excelled in the humanities, like I 197 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 2: had always excelled in writing, and so I chose an 198 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 2: English degree. But I just didn't feel I felt like 199 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 2: I wanted more of a challenge, I guess, And the 200 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 2: other part of me that had always stimulated curiosity was 201 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 2: like how do things work? Why are systems designed the 202 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 2: way they are, and how does that relate to how 203 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,719 Speaker 2: we live and our nature? So biology was like an 204 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: easy move for me in that sense. 205 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: So on the personal side, then what were some of 206 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: the steps that you took to kind of overcome and 207 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: get out of this eating disorder? 208 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: Then, like I mentioned, for me, and I think a 209 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 2: lot of people with disordered eating habits, it comes from 210 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 2: a loss of control or the perception that you don't 211 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 2: have control, and a thing that you can control is 212 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 2: what you put into your body and how your body 213 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 2: appears and all of that. And so the big moment 214 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 2: for me that changed that was when I almost failed 215 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 2: organic chemistry. Okay, as this very concrete moment where I 216 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, like I have developed this 217 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 2: coping mechanism because it somehow feels good in a way, 218 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 2: but materially it's hurting me, Like I just almost failed. Yeah, laugh, 219 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 2: And I actually went in and negotiated with the teacher 220 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 2: until he agreed to give me a D minus. 221 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: Wow. 222 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 2: I was like, I show up in this class every day. 223 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 2: I may not be mentally present, but I'm there and 224 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 2: he was like, fine, okay, D minus. And then so 225 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 2: it was a huge wake up call for me where 226 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 2: I was like, this is not this is not the plan, 227 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 2: this is not this is clearly not working. It gave 228 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 2: me the ability to step back and also just realize 229 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 2: some of the other objective facts that like my back 230 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 2: hurt all the time, because what happens is it puts 231 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 2: a ton of stress on your kidneys, and my teeth 232 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 2: were kind of looking weird, you know. It was just 233 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: like it it kind of like lifted the fog from me, 234 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 2: and I didn't tell anyone about it until I spent 235 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 2: like days. I did end up skipping a ton of 236 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 2: classes and spend days in the library reading about eating disorders. 237 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 2: I confided in my general chemistry teacher because I had 238 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 2: done really well in general chemistry and for whatever reason, 239 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: he was like he had been a great coach and 240 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 2: kind of mentor, and I confided in him and that helped. 241 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 2: And then I found a therapist and I just went 242 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 2: to therapy and like, did it Yeah? Yeah, I mean 243 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 2: it took a long it was, But that's often the 244 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 2: story of my life is like there's an inflection point 245 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 2: and I all of a sudden the site line of 246 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 2: sight becomes clear, and I just. 247 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: Go, yeah, I can, I can understand that. I mean 248 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: it's interesting. Obviously, not telling people is one thing, But 249 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: did you have friends that were concerned about you? I mean, 250 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: were you looking any different? No? 251 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 2: I Mean the other really sad thing is like, I'm 252 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 2: I've always been a very small build. 253 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and. 254 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 2: It was not like I was gaining or losing tons 255 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 2: of weight. And I've always been small anyway, So I 256 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 2: don't think anybody know. I actually I had shared this 257 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 2: with one of my best friends from college very recently, 258 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 2: and she said, I had absolutely no idea. I had 259 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 2: absolutely no idea. And I think it's common in that 260 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 2: college environment for a lot of young women to have 261 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 2: disordered eating habits, and so that sort of like that 262 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 2: area of what's normal gets really gray. So yeah, no one, 263 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 2: no one said anything, And it was only the people 264 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 2: I chose to confide in who ended up knowing about 265 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 2: it. It was very very few people. 266 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: So we realized, this isn't the move. 267 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 2: It wasn't the move. And I had started to love 268 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 2: food again and a lot of what I did in 269 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 2: my spare time was cook learned to cook through different 270 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 2: cookbooks and plot out the various restaurants that I would try, 271 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 2: the chefs that I would try over New York City 272 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 2: and when I traveled. And so I thought, what about 273 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 2: going to culinary school? Like it was this kind of 274 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 2: I didn't find cooking out of cookbooks enough and I 275 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 2: wanted to learn proper skills, and so that was that 276 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 2: was the path that I chose. So I went to 277 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 2: the French Culinary Institute here in Manhattan. I did it 278 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 2: at night so that I could stay at Conde nast 279 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 2: and work full time and pay for the expensive tuition 280 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 2: that is culinary school. And I absolutely loved it, like 281 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 2: totally first time that I was doing something hard, that 282 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 2: I was putting extra hours in and I felt totally fulfilled. 283 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 2: So that was a huge signal to me. And I didn't, again, 284 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 2: like I often don't have a specific plan, but I 285 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 2: knew that I was on the right track. And at 286 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 2: that point when I graduated, I just did whatever I could, 287 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 2: just stay in contact with food. I kept my day job, 288 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 2: but I had like catering businesses pop ups. I was 289 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 2: teaching cooking lessons to kids and cooking lessons to my friends, 290 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 2: and spending all of my spare time getting up at 291 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 2: four or five in the morning before work to cook 292 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 2: at like a pizza kitchen so that I could sell 293 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 2: things on the weekend, and then going to work full time, 294 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 2: coming back planning out my next food gig, and having 295 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 2: a food gig every single weekend. And at a certain point, 296 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 2: I was like, I think I should choose whether or 297 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 2: not I'm putting my energy into one or the other. 298 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: Do I really want to continue pursuing a career in media, 299 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 2: or do I want to take a chance with something 300 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 2: that really makes me feel alive, and I took the chance. 301 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: So what did taking that chance look like? In practice? 302 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 2: Practically it meant having a big conversation with my boyfriend 303 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 2: at the time and agreeing to downsize our apartment, moving 304 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 2: to a much smaller place. It meant that, or maybe 305 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 2: we had already moved. I mean there was there was 306 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 2: like the practicality of financially what would that mean? And 307 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 2: and that was I think that's often the big hurdle 308 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 2: for people is like how do I pay for rent? 309 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 2: Especially in New York City? And so I wouldn't have 310 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,239 Speaker 2: been able to do it if I didn't have that 311 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 2: partnership at the time. For sure was a huge component 312 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 2: for me. And then I was still kind of like 313 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 2: stumbling along. But when I got pregnant with my first son, Grover, 314 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 2: that was a really big another big inflection point for me. 315 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 2: Where I got pregnant, I didn't know or didn't remember 316 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,479 Speaker 2: what it was I was supposed to be eating. I 317 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 2: did what everyone does, which is google prenatal care, and 318 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 2: all of the noise flooded in of like how much 319 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 2: fool aid, how much CALC have you been taking your 320 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 2: prenatal et cetera, et cetera. And it reminded me, honestly 321 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 2: of the noise in my head when I had an 322 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 2: eating disorder, of like not feeling grounded, feeling like everyone 323 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 2: has an opinion of what I should be doing to 324 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 2: take care of my body, and it was overcomplicated. And 325 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 2: I knew from having gone through that experience and from 326 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 2: having studied biology that it was it was not for me, 327 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 2: like that world of minutia and super foods and perfecting 328 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 2: every single bite. It just wasn't for me. And I 329 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 2: also knew that I was eating a lot of croissants 330 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 2: and drinking a lot of lattes, drinking a lot of wine, 331 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 2: eating out at you know, New York City restaurants, and 332 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 2: I wasn't having salads or carrots or I don't think 333 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 2: I was having one serving a vegetables to day honestly, wow. 334 00:18:53,200 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 2: And unless you counted potatoes, real starch, and so that 335 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 2: balance for me had gone from very restrictive to very 336 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 2: just pleasure based. And I'm happy that that happened, but 337 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 2: I was also it was also eye opening to me 338 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 2: to realize, again, food isn't just one or the other, 339 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 2: like it is also fuel. It does actually turn into 340 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 2: the cells of your body. And that is no more 341 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 2: apparent than when you are pregnant and there's a baby 342 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 2: growing inside of you. So I needed to figure out 343 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 2: a way to just get more vegetables into my diet. 344 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 2: I needed to figure out a way to eat a 345 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 2: little bit more plant based, because all you have to 346 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 2: do is read a few books on why plant based 347 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 2: is better for you to realize just how easy it 348 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 2: is to transform your health. Right, Like, every serving of 349 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 2: vegetables that we eat reduces our likelihood for heart disease 350 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 2: by four percent, and cardiovascular disease is the number one 351 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 2: killer of adults in the US. So it's like it's 352 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 2: really actually quite simple, but it's hard because we're pressed 353 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:07,479 Speaker 2: for time. And so that was the big hairy beast 354 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 2: that I wanted to tackle, was this idea that being 355 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 2: healthy takes a lot of time, takes a lot of expertise, 356 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 2: takes a lot of fancy ingredients. I don't believe that 357 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 2: that's true, And I think that the common wisdom of 358 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 2: our moms and grandmothers is often the most grounding force. 359 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 2: And it's like, eat a few more vegetables, have a 360 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 2: wholesome meal at least once a day and try to 361 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 2: like chill out a little bit. Yeah, So I created 362 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 2: these vegan soups for myself, and this is why the 363 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 2: business started with soups. 364 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: I was. 365 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 2: I just imagined, what would my mom make for me. 366 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 2: She'd make me soup. She would say, like, take care 367 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 2: of yourself once a day and have a nice bowl 368 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 2: of soup nicole. And so I made these really beautiful 369 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 2: vegetables and I had one every day, and I realized, 370 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 2: this is it. This is the idea, this is the thing. 371 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 2: This is what's actually changing how I feel and how 372 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 2: I perform and how much stress I have. Because as 373 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 2: soon as I took care of that one meal a day, 374 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 2: I felt proud of myself. I felt like I was 375 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: taking care of my body. I did not feel like 376 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 2: everything had to be perfect. I was okay with still 377 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 2: going out to eat at night. And it freed up 378 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 2: all of that mental space to just focus on building 379 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 2: my business, which I think is a huge thing. You know, 380 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 2: like we have so much decision fatigue, and taking care 381 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 2: of that meal in the middle of the day, it's huge. 382 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 1: I've been thinking a lot lately about this idea of 383 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: decision fatigue because I think especially in the summer when 384 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: we're traveling and we're all over the place and we're 385 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 1: trying to be healthy. But it's like, I just made 386 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,719 Speaker 1: like so many decisions when it came to getting an 387 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: uber to go to the airport, to getting on my flight, 388 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: to pet what I was going to pack, to where 389 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: I was going to stay, to all these things, and 390 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: so by the time you get there, it's like, I know, 391 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna feel good if I eat one thing, but God, 392 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: I'm so tired of making all these decisions, like just 393 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:09,919 Speaker 1: give me a cheeseburger. 394 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, And you're tired. Your body is also stressed, and 395 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 2: your body sends all sorts of chemical signals to your 396 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:23,959 Speaker 2: brain to say, like donate the curd deitay with hummus, 397 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 2: like boring. That's not going to make you feel better 398 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,239 Speaker 2: and that's not going to fill you up. Go for 399 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 2: this thing instead. And so when we put that undue 400 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 2: pressure on ourselves when we're really pressed for time, we're 401 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 2: setting ourselves up for failure because the chemicals in our 402 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 2: body are working against us, and you really the only 403 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 2: way to defeat that is to pre plan, and that's 404 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 2: next to impossible for most of us. 405 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 1: A quick break from today's episode to give Athletic Greens, 406 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: my sponsor, a little bit of a shout out. 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So you decide that you want to 422 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: start a company that sells these soups that are making 423 00:23:58,640 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: you feel so much better. 424 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, I mean, I had a catering business at 425 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 2: the time, So there was I was I had did 426 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 2: have income. It was catering business, and I was running 427 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 2: pop ups and things like that. So I basically took 428 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 2: that business and transformed it into Splendid Spoon and really 429 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 2: focused it on plant based delivered to you. I had 430 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 2: a bike messenger and I brought soups to people on 431 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 2: a monthly or weekly subscription. I had a spreadsheet of 432 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 2: like the five people at Conde Nasty who wanted it, 433 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 2: and the people all over Brooklyn, and then I slowly 434 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 2: just started to really build and that's where things started 435 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 2: to That was when things started to really shift for me. 436 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: So when the things start to shift, I mean you 437 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: probably started doing this in your apartment, yep, and then 438 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: there got to be a point where you couldn't do 439 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: this in your apartment anymore. 440 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 2: Well, when I first started, because of the catering gigs 441 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 2: and everything, I was renting space at a pizza kitchen 442 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 2: called Polyg's in Green Point. So I had that space, 443 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 2: which gave me, you know, all the proper licensing and everything, 444 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 2: and but that was still just a couple of gallons 445 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 2: of soup at a time. And so I quickly moved 446 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 2: to an incubator space in Queens that's no longer there. 447 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 2: It was called the Organic Food Incubator, and that was 448 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 2: a big shift for me. Yeah, there was kind of 449 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 2: like a domino it was. It's interesting talking to you 450 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 2: about it because there was this sort of domino effect 451 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 2: once I really like got the that click for the 452 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,199 Speaker 2: idea and the problem that I was solving and the 453 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 2: person that I was solving for things started to really 454 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 2: kind of like click. 455 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: And it's also interesting to me because obviously, like this 456 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: is a very niche thing to make. It's not like 457 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: you just decided like I'm going to make plant based 458 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: meals or I'm going to make like salads, like right, 459 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 1: I mean salads is also very niche, but like soups 460 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: is very specific. 461 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 2: Totally well I did. I mean I've always wanted you know, 462 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 2: part of my process us still today and it was 463 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,959 Speaker 2: then is always like trying to align on focus and 464 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 2: trying to align on Okay, if the decisions that I 465 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 2: make today will affect where this business is in five years, 466 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 2: what do I want the business to look like in 467 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 2: five years? And I knew I wanted a national business. 468 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 2: I knew I wanted to eventually reach millions of people 469 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 2: and help them improve their life by eating just a 470 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 2: few more servings of food and creating actual habits. And 471 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 2: while that's simple, right and niche, it's there's such broad 472 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 2: market opportunity there, and in order for me to do it, 473 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 2: it gave me kind of the boundaries to decide, if 474 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 2: I'm going to be national, then I probably need a 475 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 2: product that can be produced by someone other than me 476 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 2: in a kitchen, so I can't like invent I'm not 477 00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 2: going to invent something, and I need a distribution model 478 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 2: that will allow me to reach lots and lots of 479 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 2: people quickly. And so that started me on the route 480 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 2: to direct to consumer also versus just going like to 481 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 2: grocery stores one at a time totally. 482 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: And so was it just mega overwhelming when you were 483 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to eventually do that? 484 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 2: Hugely? Yeah, And I think the things that helped were, 485 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 2: you know, I mean people talk about it as like 486 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 2: luck or chance. I do think that one of the 487 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 2: traits of an entrepreneur is just continuing to hack away 488 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 2: at that vision and at that focus. And one of 489 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 2: the things that I did was I always went out 490 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 2: to networking events with other food folks, and I spoke 491 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 2: on panels about like Brooklyn. It was It's astonishing to 492 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 2: me that anybody wanted me on a panel, given how 493 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 2: little I knew at the time, But I spoke on 494 00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 2: panels and kind of like just focused on someone will 495 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 2: every time I did this, someone in the room would 496 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,479 Speaker 2: be a valuable resource to me. And one of those 497 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 2: panels that I spoke on Fresh Direct was in the 498 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 2: audience and they tried my soups. I was pregnant with Grover, 499 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 2: and the very next day I went over to the 500 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 2: Fresh Direct offices and brought them samples of other flavors 501 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 2: and asked them if they wanted to carry it, and 502 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 2: they said yes. 503 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 1: Which is a big deal. 504 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,199 Speaker 2: Which is a big deal. Yeah, it was all of 505 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:30,479 Speaker 2: a sudden a really good size volume, and that allowed 506 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 2: me to actually hire staff to fulfill the orders, and 507 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 2: even if it was part time staff. And then that 508 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 2: allowed me to start talking to co packers and say, 509 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 2: these are the pos that I have, this is the 510 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 2: traction that I have, this is how it's selling. Will 511 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 2: you take a chance on me? 512 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: I think also that point you made about like you 513 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: never know who's in the room is so important. I 514 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: experienced the most random thing this morning. I was on 515 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 1: the subway going to the office, and it's like a 516 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: very crowded subway and the train like jolts to stop, 517 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: and I like shift forward a little bit and I 518 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: bump into the man next to me. It wasn't an 519 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: aggressive bump. It was a light bump, and he literally 520 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: turned around and like accosted me as though I got 521 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: totally ruined his life and was just like, maybe you 522 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: should hold on to something so you don't bump into me, 523 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: And the train car is completely quiet, yells at me. 524 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,719 Speaker 1: I'm like this little thing standing next to him, and 525 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: I just looked at him and I said, I'm sorry. 526 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: I hope your day gets better, and I just went 527 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: on because a greetings like frustration with frustration never really 528 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: results in a positive solution for anyone. But I always 529 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: keep in mind when someone greets you with that kind 530 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: of hostility unexpectedly, that nine times out of ten, probably 531 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: ten times out of ten, you are not the reason. 532 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 2: Why they're upset, oh for sure. 533 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: And so I don't know what he was dealing with, 534 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: obviously it was something that made him very upset, but 535 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: I just tried to meet it with kindness. And so 536 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: again this idea like you know ever know who is 537 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: in the room or when you're gonna see them again, 538 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: or how it's gonna play out, Like I don't know 539 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: if this man's actually going to walk into my weework later, 540 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: Like you never know what's gonna happen with someone that 541 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: you can come to contact with. 542 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 2: It's so funny because one of the early angel investors 543 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 2: that I spoke with, maybe it was a seed investor, 544 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 2: told my business partner at the time that I really 545 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 2: rubbed him the wrong way. 546 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: Oh goodness. 547 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 2: And I was like so annoyed, and I was like, 548 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 2: maybe it's because I'm a woman, you know, I just 549 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 2: went down that like dark hole. Yeah, And then I 550 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 2: said to myself, you know what, that's his thing, and 551 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 2: it's my decision how much emotion I want to place 552 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 2: on his words, how I want to perceive it, and 553 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 2: how I want to take that comment. And I chose 554 00:30:54,920 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 2: to follow up and basically like not a pologize, but say, 555 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 2: I understand that you felt that I rubbed you the 556 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 2: wrong way. This was how it was intended. And we're 557 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 2: excited about X, Y and Z stay in touch. And 558 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 2: this person has turned into a really great kind of 559 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 2: like not a mentor, but a resource for me in 560 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 2: the space. He didn't end up investing, but he's really 561 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 2: well known in the space, and he's invested in a 562 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 2: lot of successful brands, and I'm now able to run 563 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 2: different scenarios by him, which is really valuable when you're 564 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 2: raising capital or when you're thinking about different financing options. 565 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 2: And so I think back about that moment a lot, 566 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 2: because I really could have had a very knee jerk 567 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 2: reaction and kind of like thrown the middle fingers in 568 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 2: the air and been like see and never and just 569 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 2: ignored it and not responded. And I do think that 570 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 2: there's something to be learned, something to be gained from 571 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 2: every situation. And I also think that one of the 572 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 2: skills or one of the responsibilities that most CEOs have 573 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 2: and also early founders is to always take the high 574 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 2: road because you're you don't have any bridges yet. Yeah, 575 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 2: you're like out there on your own building a new 576 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 2: village around you. And as much as you can turn 577 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 2: those lemon situations into lemonade, like. 578 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: It will always serve you totally. And again, like what 579 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: you pointed out, which I think is really special, is 580 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: just this concept that you are in control of how 581 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: you feel, right, and sometimes it feels really hard to 582 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: own that statement. But you have the opportunity to, you know, 583 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: decide what happens. 584 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 2: Next, right right, Yeah, exactly. 585 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: Okay, So we're in mass production mode and we're making 586 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: soups and they're shipping everywhere, and it's crazy. Is it crazy? 587 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean it's so. I mean, at the time, 588 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 2: it felt like one step forward, two steps back. The 589 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,479 Speaker 2: first two years, even though I was working with Fresh Direct, 590 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 2: were slow moving. So even though we went from you know, 591 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 2: a couple hundred thousand dollars to a few more hundred 592 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 2: thousand dollars, it was still like very hand to mouth. 593 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 2: And at that time, I was newly had a new baby, 594 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 2: hadn't built out my team yet, my marriage was really tough, 595 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 2: and I also had gotten a book deal. So it 596 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 2: was a lot. And then at the end of that 597 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 2: second year of the business, I oh, I had had 598 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 2: another baby, and I chose to end my marriage and 599 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 2: I started to build out my team, and so it 600 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 2: was a lot. It was like a storm. I mean, 601 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 2: I don't know that I hear the story about people 602 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 2: where it's very sequential and it's like, and certainly you 603 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 2: can look at our revenue traction and it has that 604 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 2: sort of like really easy looking upward trajectory, But that 605 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 2: was not my experience of it. My experience of it 606 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,320 Speaker 2: was it was a major storm and every day was 607 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 2: a bit of a battle. 608 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 1: I can only imagine how difficult it's got to be 609 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: going through a divorce while trying to keep your duck 610 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 1: center road to continue building your business. 611 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 2: Yes, it's a strange. It's a very strange reality. And 612 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:41,280 Speaker 2: for me, the a lot of what was hard during 613 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 2: my partnership was and I should say that my ex 614 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 2: and I have a very good relationship. He's a wonderful dad, 615 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 2: and we've done an amazing job to turn a difficult 616 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 2: situation into a really positive co parenting experience. So that's, 617 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 2: you know, kind of the silver lining, I guess you 618 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 2: would say. But at the time during my marriage, it 619 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 2: was my entrepreneurial spirit, shall we say, was really tough. 620 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 2: And I understand it, like, it's really hard to be 621 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 2: with someone who believes that something that does not exist 622 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 2: should exist, and that something that you requires you to 623 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 2: not sleep and require lots of blood, sweat and tears. Literally, 624 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 2: that that is worth fighting for in the midst of 625 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 2: also having a baby. I mean, it is nonsensical, it 626 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 2: doesn't really make any sense. And then during my breakup 627 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 2: that the startup then turned into my source of stability, 628 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 2: which was another really strange thing. It was like, this 629 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 2: thing that I've been told and have experienced is very unstable, 630 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 2: very scary, is now my source of stability. 631 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 1: I think it's really special that you had that to 632 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: lean into, though. I think a lot of the time 633 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: what so many of us struggle with is we're upset 634 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: about something, we're going through something, and instead of positively 635 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 1: channeling our energy into something else, whether it be a 636 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 1: project or a hobby or working out, we kind of 637 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 1: go the opposite way, and it can be a little 638 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: bit negative. So rather than you know, maybe even reverting 639 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: into the other ways that you were trying to find 640 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 1: control when you were back in college, instead of that, 641 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: we're going all hands on deck with this business exactly. 642 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 2: And exactly you know. Yeah, that's growth, right, yeah, right. 643 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 2: I mean you come up with the same problem or 644 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 2: the same feeling that you've had in the past, and 645 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 2: you treat it differently. 646 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:43,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's. 647 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 2: It's always hard, it's always easier to follow the path 648 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 2: that you know, to do the thing that feels like 649 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:55,280 Speaker 2: the path of police resistance. And that's not in my experience, 650 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:56,720 Speaker 2: that's not how you actually grow. 651 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 1: Nothing changes if nothing changes exactly bam. Okay. So we're 652 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: leaning into the business, and it's it's helping you get. 653 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 2: By, it's helping me get by, and it's also the 654 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 2: difficulty of being a mom of two babies and going 655 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 2: through the divorce also helped me to let go of 656 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 2: some of my responsibilities at work. I started to delegate, 657 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 2: I started to admit that I needed more than just 658 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,359 Speaker 2: me and a couple part time workers. I started to 659 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 2: dig into my ability to create partnerships and that was 660 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,959 Speaker 2: where we started to really see big growth these days. 661 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 1: So how when was this all happening? 662 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 2: So that was in twenty fifteen. Ok we launched the 663 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 2: direct to consume like Splendidspoon dot com as you know 664 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,360 Speaker 2: it now, launched the very end of twenty fifteen. 665 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, wow, that's a lie at one time. Yeah, 666 00:37:55,200 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 1: and then so from that point until now, what would 667 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,400 Speaker 1: you say, I mean, obviously we're leaning into the building 668 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,959 Speaker 1: of this company, but since then, what would you say, 669 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: aside from launch has been one of your proudest moments 670 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,760 Speaker 1: owning this company and starting this scratch. 671 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,759 Speaker 2: It's the people and it's the food that make me 672 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 2: the most proud, and that the people are both my 673 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,799 Speaker 2: team and the community. Like it's not any specific milestone necessarily, 674 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 2: although I'm proud certainly of our growth and of raising 675 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 2: a Series A and those milestones I'm certainly objectively proud of. Yeah, 676 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,919 Speaker 2: but what really makes me feel alive, what really makes 677 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 2: me feel like I'm doing my life's work, is when 678 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 2: I jump into our private Facebook community and I see 679 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:48,799 Speaker 2: people resolving problems together, coming up with ideas together, offering 680 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,359 Speaker 2: us as a business suggestions on how to make our 681 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 2: product better, and seeing my team collaborate. Coming into an 682 00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:03,800 Speaker 2: office of bustling people having spirited disagreements and solving problems 683 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:08,440 Speaker 2: and coming up with creative solutions like that is the 684 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 2: that is like there's nothing else. The only thing like 685 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 2: it is being a parent. 686 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 1: And I'm kind of thinking back now to what you 687 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,440 Speaker 1: were talking about earlier, and you were saying that you 688 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: noticed that you started to feel differently when you started 689 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 1: to eat plant based Yeah, for at least for that 690 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: that suit meal every day. Yeah, what would you say 691 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: that you actually noticed during that energy. 692 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, energy was the biggest one. Pride and like a 693 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 2: decrease in stress was the other one, because I was 694 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 2: really worried that I wasn't eating properly, and I knew 695 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 2: because of my science background that I could be eating better. 696 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 2: For sure. I think we all know, like, oh, like, 697 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,279 Speaker 2: as much as we don't want to label food as 698 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 2: good or bad, it is objectively true that eating processed 699 00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:00,359 Speaker 2: food all day or pizza for every meal is not. 700 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,320 Speaker 1: Doing you any favors totally. 701 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,280 Speaker 2: And so as soon as I added that plant based 702 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 2: meal that I knew was super clean, was made with 703 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:13,880 Speaker 2: amazing ingredients that also tasted really good, it just it 704 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,600 Speaker 2: solved so many issues for me. 705 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:17,879 Speaker 1: Yeah. And would you say that you're hearing a lot 706 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,840 Speaker 1: of that same kind of feedback from your consumer. 707 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say that convenience is the number one 708 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 2: reason that people come to us. It's convenience and trust 709 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 2: that things taste really good. 710 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 1: What has been one of the best pieces of advice 711 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,240 Speaker 1: that you've received in your career. 712 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 2: It's actually the best piece of advice that I received 713 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,279 Speaker 2: was from my mom when I went to college, and 714 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 2: it was literally just to be true to myself. She 715 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 2: gave me the Doctor Seuss book all the polics, Oh 716 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 2: the places you go, And if you read that book, 717 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,000 Speaker 2: it's basically like life is hard, but it's a journey 718 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 2: and you will find yourself on that journey. 719 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: All right. So the way that I wind down the 720 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 1: podcast every time, right now, you have an opportunity to 721 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 1: offer yourself a piece of advice going through that hurdle 722 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,879 Speaker 1: moment right now. Back in college, things are pretty hard. 723 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 1: What do you tell yourself? 724 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,480 Speaker 2: Reach out to a friend, Yeah, your girls, your people, 725 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 2: your people, reach out to reach out to more people, 726 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:17,440 Speaker 2: for sure, That's what it would be. 727 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for hanging out with me today. 728 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:21,760 Speaker 2: Thank you, this has been so nice. 729 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 1: Please take a moment and leave a quick review by 730 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 1: clicking the link with the description to this episode. We 731 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,759 Speaker 1: all face multiple hurdles in life. I want to hear 732 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 1: about yours. Reach out to me at Emily at Hurdle 733 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 1: dot us. Connect with the podcast on Instagram and Twitter 734 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 1: at Hurdle Podcast Nicole. Where do they find you? Where 735 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 1: do they find splendid Spoon. 736 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 2: At splendid dot spoon on Insta and I am at 737 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 2: Nixon N I C C E N T. 738 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: Also on Insta amazing, another hurdle conquered. Catch you guys 739 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:51,040 Speaker 1: next time.