1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: From UFOs to ghosts and government cover ups. History is 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:16,639 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Welcome 4 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is mattan on Ben 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: and this is stuff they don't want you to know, 6 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: as though you didn't hear that in the title earlier. 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: But that's okay. We just want to make sure you 8 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 1: know where you are because you know, it gets tough 9 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: sometimes people get confused. Where am I? What am I? 10 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,959 Speaker 1: Where are we going in life? I know it's confusing, right, 11 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: There are a lot of questions and people there's no 12 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: shortage of people pretending to answer those questions, some of 13 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: whom even believe it. And it's funny that we're talking 14 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: about this. Let's let's jump right in. One of the 15 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: great differences between human beings and other animals is that 16 00:00:55,040 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: human beings, unique among all highly intelligent animals, aim to 17 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: have this compulsion to um find out more about life, 18 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: to ask what happens when we die? Now we have 19 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: seen evidence, of course, that higher order animals are able 20 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: to um acknowledge death in some form if a member 21 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: of their pure groups dies. Sure you'll see elephants that 22 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: more and they're dead. There are also there have been 23 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: instances of dolphins that carry their dead babies from long 24 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: distances in the water. Yeah, and and I think that's 25 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: next some point, because it shows it's not just primates, 26 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: it's also citaceans. We also know that ah many mammals 27 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: have some sort of understanding of that loss. Dogs famously, 28 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: UH have can have difficulties when a human that they 29 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: have bonded with has passed away. But according to current science, 30 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: there's one thing that only humans can do. Dolphins can't 31 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: do it. Elephants, dogs, even crows which are scary smart uh. 32 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: And that is contemplate and afterlife, a a entirely abstract world, 33 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: whether dystopian or utopian, that exists beyond the mortal plane. 34 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: And that is why um. One of human beings. One 35 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: of humanity's greatest either discoveries or inventions, depending on how 36 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: you look at it, is the idea of religion. Right, 37 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: And we haven't officially as humans nailed down what what 38 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: exactly happens yet at least we haven't scientifically proven what happens, 39 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: So there really any any idea If it strikes personally 40 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: with you could be persuasive enough for you to believe it. Yeah, 41 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: and we mean literally any idea, because in the absence 42 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: of universally agreed quantitative not qualitative proof of of a 43 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: life after death, Um, people's opinions can be just up 44 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: for up for anything. Sure, no one can really disprove 45 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff, But we also know that 46 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: for a great deal of human history, this these beliefs, 47 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: which we will call religions for most of this podcast, 48 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: these beliefs, spiritual beliefs, religious beliefs guided the course of 49 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: human civilization. Yeah. Sure, what why why would humans come 50 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: together and live as a society, Um, if there wasn't 51 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: some kind of agreed upon reason to be doing so 52 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: other than procreation and the gathering of food. Um. It 53 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: seems as though what we've been getting a lot of 54 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: people commenting on our on our video, especially the one 55 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: we made about how to start a cult, about how 56 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: society as a whole possibly was or quite frankly most 57 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: likely was kind of the or originated as some kind 58 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: of cult. Sure, hunting party, uh, layer begins to acrete 59 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: spiritual beliefs, and that could even have happened before Homo sapiens. Um. 60 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: This is This is a scary thing for some people, 61 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: especially if you consider yourself more of an atheist or 62 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: on the atheist side of the spiritual spectrum. We know 63 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: that early non Homo sapiens, early Man, like the the 64 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: demo recording of Man basically had before the full album 65 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: came out, UM already had some beliefs like venerating the dead, 66 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: um performing some sort of ritualistic burial or commemoration. Now, 67 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: because that stuff happens before the dawn of recorded history, 68 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: we don't really know how to uh find the specifics 69 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: of whatever their spiritual beliefs were. Um, we've got a 70 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: lot of smart people making a lot of smart guesses. 71 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: And the reason that we're talking now about the this 72 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: ancient history and the fundamental importance and unique ability that 73 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: we call spiritual exploration, UM, it's all because you and 74 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: I recently did a series on cults. We did and 75 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: we found so much stuff it got kind of dark 76 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: to write editing. Editing together that and the Curm Case 77 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: episode was harrowing experience, to say the least. And you 78 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: did a fantastic job on that episode too. If there's 79 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: anybody who happens to have not seen that, I think 80 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: the title of it is uh, child impersonation or cults 81 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 1: child impersonation in the Czech Republic, and it is entirely 82 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: about a very strange cult sometimes called the Ants. And 83 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: the way that we like to do this stuff in 84 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: these audio podcasts so bars we like to be able 85 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: to give a little bit more background in context that 86 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: we weren't able to originally in the video just because 87 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: of the length of time or because of the tone. 88 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: Um So, in this podcast, what you and I are 89 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: going to explore is the nature of cults. What what 90 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 1: makes something a cult? How is a cult any different 91 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: from a religion? And um some great points that listeners 92 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: brought up in the YouTube comments, uh, is it possible 93 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: for things that are not spiritual on the on the 94 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: surface to also be cults? Which I think is a 95 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: great question. Um So, if you, if you'll mind that 96 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: I've got a little bit of a definition. Alright, So 97 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: we know that the concept of occult um, at least 98 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: in academia, dates back to about nineteen thirty two. A 99 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: sociologist named Howard P. Becker Uh said that, but he 100 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: based it as sort of an expand mention of an 101 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: earlier guy's work. A guy named Ernst Trolts. Yes, I 102 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: don't know if I made it out of that one 103 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: alive t R O E L T S c H 104 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: Trols and uh Trolch had this typology where he was separated. 105 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: He was trying to separate um church versus sect and 106 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: Becker originally said that occult was a small religious group 107 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:35,239 Speaker 1: lacking organization and emphasizing the private nature of personal beliefs. 108 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: Now we know that is not the modern definition of 109 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: a cult um. The modern definition of occult is um 110 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: outside of it exists outside of a predominant religion, right, 111 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: and it has uh some notable differences in comparison to 112 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: what we call religion proper. Now we know that there 113 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 1: are these other things called sects. And I said that, 114 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: so I don't accidentally say, you know, sex but s 115 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: E C T s. Uh. These are the products of 116 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: religious disagreements. So they still have many of the same 117 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: beliefs and uh structures, they just they diverge in the 118 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: particulars they've had a schism at some point because of 119 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: maybe something. Um. What are some of the examples of that, uh, 120 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: great one would be Martin Luther Um saying that people 121 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: could correspond directly with the divine rather than going through 122 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: any intermediary like some a member of the Catholic Church. 123 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: Another earlier example would be um when Christianity began and 124 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: people who traditionally followed Judaism uh said that they believed 125 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: that Jesus Christ was a by a messenger of the divine. 126 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: So this became in a way. It's still carried a 127 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: lot of the traditional beliefs, at least for a time, 128 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: associated with the earlier belief system, but a cult can 129 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: take some of that and does something totally new or 130 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: or it will be based upon at least a lot 131 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: of the ones that we found were are based on 132 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: some kind of writing, some kind of document that kind 133 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: of that they take in as their manifesto of sorts 134 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: as they're kind of their brick and mortar structure for 135 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: what how they're going to base their beliefs upon. And 136 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: then they kind of make some changes here and there. 137 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: But um, it's pretty fascinating stuff. The one the Holy 138 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: Grail movement was really was interesting. The one that was 139 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 1: that we talked about in that Ferme Case episode where 140 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: it's it's about the Holy Grail. The entire thing is 141 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: based upon this guy's book from I think nineteen seventies 142 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: seven around that the German fellow forget his name, but 143 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: if you get a chance search the Grail movement, it's 144 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 1: very interesting. Yeah, and that's a that's a good illustration 145 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: of how I would say that, Um, the Grail movement 146 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be as much of a cult, but 147 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 1: I don't have too much information about it. Yeah, sorry, 148 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, more of a sect. And I think 149 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 1: that's what you're saying, because the ants in that currum 150 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: Case episode are the cults that broke off. And as 151 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: as we know, and as uh thank god you pointed 152 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: out in the video, the Grail movement is not related. 153 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 1: Disowned disowned them completely, uh successfully sued uh some check 154 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: newspaper right by the way, for implying that they were 155 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: supporting it. Um, all right, we also know that, uh 156 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: from everything you guys are hearing us say, the exact 157 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: definition or difference between a cult and religion is a 158 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: matter of great debate. You will run to people who 159 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: tell you that the Baptist Church is a cult. You 160 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: will meet people who assure you that Mormonism as a cult. 161 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Um, and all our scientology 162 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: based listeners or scientology focused listeners will want to hear 163 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: us talk about the idea of whether scientology is a religion, 164 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: a cult, or none of the above, which it has 165 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: been all three depending on who you ask. But we 166 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 1: have a little quick guide that we found from a 167 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: cult hotline and clinic that will help us differentiate a 168 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: little bit. Right, Yeah, sure, what why don't you tell 169 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: us what what a cult is? And then I will 170 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: say what a what a religion it, or can at 171 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: least from this list. Okay, so like what a cult 172 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: would do versus what religion would do? Okay, Um, let's 173 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: start with your end. That's a great idea. You start 174 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: with the religion will provide the cult alternative. Okay. When 175 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: you're getting information from a religion, it's generally offered up 176 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: right up front. It's given to you as hey read 177 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: about this, let us know if you're interested. And when 178 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: you're in a cult or cult like organization, there's deceit 179 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: in recruitment, so we're not giving you either all of 180 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: the information or the actual truth. In a religion, Um, 181 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: generally freedom of thought is offered up and members have 182 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: a say in what goes on a lot of times. 183 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: Not in occult we are totalitarian, my way or the 184 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: highway to Hell. Generally, religions will promote a family, a 185 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: family unit of some sort. Um. Usually it will have 186 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: very rigid structures of what that family unit unit can 187 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: or cannot be. But they still promote a family unit. 188 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: Destroy the family unit in your cult. The only unit 189 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: is the cult. I'm getting a little dramatic, so and feeling. 190 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: I've had a lot of coffee. Religions tend to work 191 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: within a society, so they'll go out and do work 192 00:12:54,720 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: inside a community. Um, do some volunteering or donation. Okay, cool, 193 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: So like you could have your own life in larger 194 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: society in a religion not an occult isolate the members, 195 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: no outsiders, one of us. A religion is generally open 196 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: to the community. So it will it will bring, it 197 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: will take anyone who comes in who is interested. Um, 198 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: and it just has open arms. Let's see, right, Which 199 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: is why, for instance, at least in the United States, 200 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: you can generally, as long as you are respectful of 201 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: the of the traditions, you can generally in attend any church, mosque, synagogue, 202 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: Christian reading room, or what have you. Um, A Hindu 203 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: or Buddhist temple. Um, as long as you're not a 204 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: jerk about it. But not in cults. You've got to 205 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: keep those nonbelievers out until they've been carefully vetted because 206 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: they might come up the works. They might come up 207 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: the works. A religion is interested in promoting potential. Now, 208 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: what is at mean, ben If it's promoting potential, so 209 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 1: it wants you to grow individually, yes, and and because 210 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: it wants to see the entire religion grow, but it 211 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: also wants to see the community grow. Well, you know 212 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: that's really taking away from the development of the cult, 213 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: which is the primary focus of a cult. And that's 214 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: why a cult will limit the development of an individual, 215 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: destroy the ego, as they would say. So in a religion, 216 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: while there are guidelines, members are not systematically controlled, they're 217 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: not individually controlled. Okay, So um, you know certain days 218 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: might be neatless or certain holidays have requirements you need 219 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: to participate in, but you are allowed to have a 220 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: mind of your own. Yes, not a cult where mind 221 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: control techniques are prevalent and practiced. Often in religion, it's 222 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: generally promoted that you should really think hard about your 223 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: decision to take a commitment in this re religion, well, 224 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: to be saved or blessed in some way, or take 225 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: a right of passage in this religion. They really want 226 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: you to contemplate it, think about it, make sure it's 227 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: the right decision for you. Oh right? Like how um, 228 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: quite a few religions require you to have a certain 229 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: period of study before you can, you know, like if 230 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: you convert to a religion, um. Not in cults, man, 231 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: that's a good news. Uh. Commitment is encouraged during the 232 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: recruitment process. So you want to learn more, come on, 233 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: just join just join him. We'll tell you, just give 234 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: us one more payment and then you can learn a 235 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: little bit more and you'll be committed. Okay, Now this 236 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: one I might I'm have a little bit of contention with. 237 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: But on our list it says that in a religion, 238 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: people are free to speak out against the tenets of 239 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: a religion. Um. And I I mean that's true to 240 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: a point, to a point. But if you're inside the religion, 241 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: you may have some more problems there which might lead 242 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: to say a skiss them and an offshoot and perhaps 243 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: a cult. Ah. Yes, And in a cult, the any 244 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: any criticism is often met with very serious threats. So 245 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: these could be legal action, These could be uh, you know, 246 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: isolation even further from your new cult family. Uh, physical 247 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: punishments even Um, it can be very messy, very quickly. 248 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: I have another point of contention here in this list, 249 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: but that's okay. Yeah, in a religion, clergy are expected 250 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: generally to be responsible for their words and actions. That 251 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: sounds nice, that's like a theoretically, yeah, it sounds very nice. 252 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: As we have seen with certain massive institutions that may 253 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: or may not be true. Right, And in a cult, 254 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: the leader and the followers consider the leader to be 255 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: above reproach, cannot be criticized. So what what are some 256 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: great examples of this? While we know that Manson or 257 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: Jones would never have been criticized by a member of 258 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: their cult, we know that um, for a time, uh 259 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 1: Kim Jong il was not um legally not be able 260 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: to be criticized. There's a there's a weird argument here, 261 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: which is different. I'm not saying that North Korea is 262 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: a cult country, um, anymore than I'm saying that Thailand 263 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: is a cult country. But there's a there's a monarchical 264 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: fallacy here because in Middle Eastern countries and in Thailand, Um, 265 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: any sort of criticism of the royal family, I can 266 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: can get you in prison very quickly at the very least. Um, 267 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: so that's kind of cultish, which goes to another thing. 268 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: Questioning the leader or the basic outline of the cult 269 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 1: is never allowed. So if you you know, if you say, 270 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: hey guys, even if it's something as small as hey, guys, 271 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: I really like our eight hour rainwashing sessions. But I 272 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: was thinking maybe we could use a CD instead of 273 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: a VHS tape so we don't have to keep stopping 274 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: to rewind it. Um, then you would get in a 275 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: lot of trouble, it would seem so yeah. Uh. So 276 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: now that we know some of the differences between a 277 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 1: cult and a religion, will talk a little bit about 278 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: some of the history, which I think is fascinating here. Um. 279 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: Something from the Baltimore Sun, uh that we mentioned a 280 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: little bit before is that, um, something can change from 281 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 1: a cult to a religion over time. Right. Oh yeah, 282 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: and again it can splinter the opposite way as well. 283 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: So early Christianity, when it was first originating, it was 284 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: considered a cult because you had, you know, you had 285 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: certain groups of people, like you said, who are from 286 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: UH who were Jewish or Roman at the time, UM, 287 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,479 Speaker 1: who then started following this one guy and this one 288 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: guy's message, and you know, it's an interesting comparison. I'd 289 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: like to I haven't read much up on this, but 290 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: I'd like to see someone's argument for Jesus as a 291 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: cult leader. I'd be fascinated to read that it just 292 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: if you looked. And I don't not saying that he was, 293 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: but just it would be an interesting angle to look 294 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: at it. Because they have a um uh theology that 295 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: did a couple of things. They said this UH, this 296 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: current stat status quo is um not the way that 297 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: humans are supposed to be. So it's kind of heretical, 298 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: and it confuses some of the earlier religions, the Jewish 299 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: religion and the Roman religion at the time, where some 300 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: of the predominant belief structures and while borrowing heavily from 301 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: a lot of those from Roman society from Jewish tradition, 302 00:19:55,880 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: UH Christianity itself was something that was novel and and 303 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: of course uh Islam was also considered a cult by 304 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: medieval Christians much later, who would have never UM called 305 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 1: their religion occult. But the new guy on the street 306 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: was was the same thing, and it's because some of 307 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: the same stuff. You know, Islam has Jesus has the 308 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: most quoted prophet in the Quran, uh and the there 309 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: there's so much commonality in the Abramatic religions. But still 310 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: they called it a cult. So this leads, Uh, this 311 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: leads to an interesting idea. What if the only real 312 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: difference between a cult and a religion is the length 313 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: of time that a spiritual organization is active. I think 314 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: that's a great point. That's an absolutely great point, because 315 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 1: as soon as the new guy comes along, that's weird 316 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: and different, that's a cult. And there's there's a great 317 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: argument here that we broke down from this article in 318 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: the Sun and uh, there there are a couple reasons 319 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: why this is a is kind of a good metric 320 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: or I don't know, what do you think is a 321 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: fair amount of time to transition, Well, it needs to 322 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: be one where a child can grow up inside this 323 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 1: belief structure. Okay, long enough to be old enough as 324 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: old at least as the parent was to and reproducing 325 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,239 Speaker 1: and then and then continue right so that so that 326 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: person would have to Yeah, they're reproduction would be necessary. 327 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: You can't just bring people in. It's like one so 328 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: three generations total, maybe, yeah, that would be about right. 329 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: So of what's that a hundred years are a little less, 330 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: a little more, a little more maybe yeah? Um well, 331 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: I guess depends on when they have kids, right, when 332 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: they die? Yeah? Um? Okay, that all right. I think 333 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: that's very smart. And it has to function a couple 334 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: of ways, because already there will be people asking us 335 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 1: the writing emails, asking uh, well, what about a cult 336 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: that functions in secret hundreds of years. That's a little 337 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: bit different. We're talking about things that function in the 338 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 1: open um. So one of the most one of the 339 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: biggest points is a group that has survived over generations 340 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: cannot have the sort of self destructive or antisocial behavior 341 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 1: that occurs in cults, at least not openly. Right. You 342 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: can't kill your breeding population. You can't render them, uh 343 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: sterile one way or the other. Um. So, also can't 344 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: kill a lot of them as suicide, right, yeah, no 345 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: mass suicide. Also, it has to it has to play 346 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: nice with the current whomever the current government or state is. 347 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: So that means that you can't break laws like abuse laws. Um, 348 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 1: which is one way that groups are who later turned 349 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: out to be cults are often caught, you know. Um, 350 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: and it could be some dark stuff. It could be 351 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: domestic abuse, it could be um fraud, you know, taking 352 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: making your followers give up their financial assets to you, 353 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: or of course, in some cases it can be sexual abuse. 354 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: It's a that's a great point about functioning inside the 355 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: society and not making the rulers of the land you 356 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: occupy angry at you so. And I think that has 357 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: a lot to do with morality and why religion and 358 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: religious beliefs. Uh, the morality of a people is often 359 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 1: ascribed to that. Ah, that's such a good point. Yeah, 360 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: it's such a good point because um, one thing that 361 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 1: it seems religions tend to do is over time have 362 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:38,239 Speaker 1: a morality which is is sort of a mirror of 363 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: the society in which they operate, or is tolerated by 364 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 1: that society. Sure so, um, you know, so occult that 365 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: argues something like people who are not in our religion 366 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: are not really human. Um, then that is not gonna 367 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 1: that morality is not going to jibe when the authorities 368 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: will always be under suspice. But if you have um 369 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: a moral argument which is something like, uh, people should 370 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 1: try to be good, which is when you boil it down. 371 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: That's that's one of the most basic tenants of any 372 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: sort of spiritual belief structure. And for thousands of years, 373 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 1: people have just been fighting over the definitions of good 374 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: and people. And UM, it's sad to say, I hope 375 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: that uh, the the aliens land they're not just disgusted 376 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: with us on that point, but yeah, pretty sure they will. 377 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: But then another thing they can uh to the point 378 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: about kids. Uh, these cults are excuse me, religions will 379 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: also grow institutions, so they'll have um, nonprofit organizations, they'll 380 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: take care of the sick and the elderly and the dispossessed. 381 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: They'll have systems to educate others, to basically bring people 382 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: up in these beliefs. So that again, that's the thing 383 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: we're talking about earlier. You can't let it die, so 384 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: you have to make sure the young people get the 385 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: message and then continue forward. And this sounds like a 386 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: recipe for something that's not just able to survive in 387 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 1: in a community where not everyone has that religion, but 388 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: it sounds like people of this religion or obeying these 389 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: kind of approaches could become really valuable to the larger society. 390 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: You know what, what are we talking We're talking about stable, 391 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: generation spanning, self sustaining organization that wants to help people. Um. 392 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: It sounds like a great thing. Sounds like a great thing, 393 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: and sometimes in history it has been. Of course, part 394 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,719 Speaker 1: of being one of the guiding principles of human history 395 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: means that there is a lot of stuff on both 396 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: the pro and the con side. Millions of people have 397 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: been saved by various religions, and millions upon millions have 398 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: been murdered, no other way around it. Um, all right, 399 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: but it's time now to talk about some cults. We've 400 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: talked about the difference we can cults from religions, and 401 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: now it's time talking about cults. But before we do, 402 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: it's time for word from our sponsor. Right. 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All right, 437 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: well that was um, that was interesting. Yeah, I can't 438 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 1: pick our sponsors, I guess. Oh yeah we should also say, um, 439 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 1: I don't know if they put it in the ad, 440 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: but I think we're If you mention us, you get 441 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: like an eight percent discount. Yeah. If it's a Tuesday, 442 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: it was something weird. They have a weird they have 443 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: a different calendar. Uh So now it's time to talk 444 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: about some out and out cults. Things are universally called 445 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: cults by everybody except for the people there. All right, well, 446 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: let's get started. This is one that we found that's 447 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: m hmm, a little weird. Let's just go into it. 448 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: It's called the Creativity Movement, formally the World Church of 449 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: the Creator. Now, this is a white separatist organization and 450 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: it advocates the whites only religion creativity. Wait, wait, wait, wait, 451 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: the name of the this bacist religion is creativity. Yes, 452 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: that is like the most uncreative name. But it's but 453 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: it's also so universal, although it's not at all universal. 454 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: It's whites only. Um, so it was. It was also 455 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: kind of a descriptive phrase that was used by uh, 456 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: this guy named Ben Clawson. I think that's how you 457 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: say it. It's like one of the leaders, I guess, yes, 458 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: and uh, it included all adherents of the religion. And basically, 459 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: the use of the term Creator does not it doesn't 460 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: refer to any kind of deity. There's no God. No, 461 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: it's to you. It's to the person, uh, the self 462 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: and white people. Um. But anyway, despite the former use 463 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: of the word of church and its name, the movement 464 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: is definitely atheistic, there's no belief in god. Huh. Okay, 465 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: Now this is the one that started in three but 466 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: the founder, Ben Klassen, died right in yes, yeah, okay, 467 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: so you only had twenty years there to run the thing. 468 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: And it's so it's so strange to me. Then the 469 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: you know, we're going to find of course that there 470 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: that racism um is prevalent in a lot of fringe cults. Um. 471 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: You know, racist organization doesn't necessarily consider itself also a 472 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: spiritual organization, but a lot of spiritual groups have no 473 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: problem with racism and in fact feel very justified about it. 474 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: And you know, sadly, although people might like to think 475 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: this is a new, newer kind of belief, that's more 476 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: and more in the fringes, it's been around since religions. 477 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: Racism and religion have been uh, thick as thieves for 478 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: a lot of human history. Um. I wanted to talk 479 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: about one that I really like, the Prince Philip movement 480 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: or a cargo cult. Now this is something that chuck 481 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: from stuff. You should know and I are both fascinated by. 482 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to see we're big fans of it. 483 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: So this is an island called Tana or Tanna and 484 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: Vanuatu or vanatu and this and this uh van wattu 485 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: is aside from being something that will mispronounce regularly. Uh. 486 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: This is a small island nation. And during the sometime 487 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: probably in the fifties or sixties, having received air drops 488 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: from lanes that were flying over the islanders who were rural, 489 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: began what was called a cargo cult. So they believe, 490 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: at least as one try Bontana believes that Prince Philip 491 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: is a divine creature. You mean the Duke of Edinburgh, Yes, 492 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: the Duke of Edinburgh. Uh, and is the son of 493 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: a son and brother. So it's incestuous, which is okay 494 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: if you're if you're a deity. Um the son and 495 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: brother of the legendary John from now. I think have 496 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: we talked about cargo cults on the show before. We've 497 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: mentioned it a couple of times. We did the Sentinel Island, 498 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: that's right, Yeah, so you can learn some amazing stuff 499 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: about this. Uh. The the Royal couple didn't help at 500 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: all because in nineteen seventy four they visited the island, 501 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: which I just think is um elitist and kind of 502 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: not cool. I guess you could say it's diplomacy, but 503 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: I think it's tremendously condescending on the part of the 504 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: Duke of Edinburgh. But the but I think maybe his 505 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: intentions are good because he was made when he found 506 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: out about this religion. He's visited and exchanged gifts with 507 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: the leaders. Now, this cargo when it was originally dropped, 508 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: and not to go too far into the story, was 509 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: was amazing. And after learning of the uh, learning more 510 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: about John From and the West, the mystical understanding these 511 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: people have, which was often exploited or presented with ridicule 512 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: um resulted in them building like fake in a fake 513 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,719 Speaker 1: airport essentially fake airway um and calling for the return 514 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: of John From for the cargo to bring more of 515 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: these amazing gifts, which if you think about it had 516 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: to be like space age may as well be magic. 517 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: They hadn't seen him before. But uh, that is that 518 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: is a story for another day. Here's the kind of one. 519 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: More so, there's something called new abbyon is um. And 520 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: this is something that you pointed out to me that 521 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: I had never heard of. This is an umbrella term 522 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: that refers to these doctrines and teachings of this guy 523 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: named Dwight York and Uh. It originated as as a 524 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: black Muslim group and I think it's in New York 525 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: right in the nineteen seventies. But eventually, well I'm kind 526 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: of skipping ahead of here, but eventually I found out 527 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,240 Speaker 1: that they had headquarters in Georgia. Yeah, Putnam County, right, Yeah, 528 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: really interesting where there was a pyramid structure. And it's 529 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,280 Speaker 1: really fascinating. You can you can search for New abby 530 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: and is that what? Just what you would search for 531 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: New Abbianism and you can find a picture. It's really interesting. Yeah. 532 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,240 Speaker 1: The uh. And it's based on a bunch of different 533 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: things that Dwight York encountered in his time, like Freemasonry, 534 00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: Shriner's Um, revisionist Christianity, course, Islam uh, A couple of 535 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: other things would probably be called cults uh, some ancient 536 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: astronaut conspiracy theories. UM. And this pretty much was centered 537 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 1: just on Dwight York by far. This leader, alpha male 538 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: of this group UM had some interesting beliefs, didn't they. 539 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we've gotta we've got a list here. You 540 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: wanna let's go back and forth. Okay. Number one, it 541 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: is important to bury the after birth, so that Satan 542 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: does not use it to make a duplicate of the 543 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,479 Speaker 1: recently born child. Big problem in Putnam, I think, uh 544 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 1: number two, some aborted fetuses survived their abortions to live 545 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: in the sewers, where they would be gathered and organized 546 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 1: to take over the world. People were once perfectly symmetrical 547 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: and embedextrous, but then a meteorite struck Earth untilted this 548 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: its axis, causing handedness and shifting the heart off center 549 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: in the chest. Here's one of my favorites, Matt. Each 550 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: of us has seven clones living in different parts of 551 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,879 Speaker 1: the world. Well obviously, I mean, I don't even know 552 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 1: if you're Matt prime or Matt. Yeah. Uh. Women have 553 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: existed for many generations before they invented men through genetic manipulation. 554 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: Thanks guys, I mean women. Uh. And then there's the 555 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: idea that Homo sapiens modern man as a result of 556 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: cloning experiments done on Mars using Homo erectus. That's crazy, 557 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: you know, it's crazier. What's crazier? Nicola Tesla came from Venus? Uh? 558 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,320 Speaker 1: Is that crazy? You know? For everybody listening, Matt, just 559 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: that a mic drop. Um. Another one is that the 560 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 1: Illuminati of nurtured to Child, who was the son of Satan, 561 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: born on the sixth of June in ninety six at 562 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 1: the Dakota House on Second seventy two Street in New York, 563 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: born to Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis and the Rothchild Kennedy families. 564 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: The Pope was there, he performed necromantic ceremonies. Uh. Child 565 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: was raised by Nixon. Lives in Europe. Now it's you've 566 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: gotta you've gotta check out d White or to see 567 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 1: some of the um some of the legal trouble the 568 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: guy has been in and he's got numerous sexual abuse 569 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,840 Speaker 1: charges amongst other charges of fraud. There is an argument 570 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 1: that people have had, which is, you know, was he 571 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: just accused of this to prevent his movement from becoming 572 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: self sustaining or a threat to a status quo? Uh? Well, 573 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,800 Speaker 1: here's what if that last story is true? And just 574 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 1: just going from my invisibles mind, uh, imagining some of 575 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: the more crazy things. But what if what if that 576 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: story right there is true and it's so ridiculous that 577 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,879 Speaker 1: no one would ever believe it, and that one guy 578 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: knew and he wanted to spread the word. I would 579 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 1: be surprised because there would be a lot more focused 580 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: and effective ways to spread the word about that. But 581 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: you know what, maybe we don't know. Maybe the Antichrist 582 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 1: really is alive right now, hooked to a computer called 583 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:05,240 Speaker 1: the East three M. I would be terrible and wonderful 584 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 1: just knowing that it was true. Yeah, um, but here 585 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: here's our question. Now. Of course, since uh York's incarceration, 586 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: quite a few of his followers fell by the wayside. 587 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 1: He still does have a few, and these followers, um 588 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: maintain some of his writings and some of his recordings. Um. 589 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 1: And of course, with the stuff we're saying, you know, 590 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: when we just read that list, we're treating in a 591 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 1: lighthearted manner. But let's keep in mind that a lot 592 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,280 Speaker 1: of established quote unquote established religions which have been around 593 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 1: for more than a century have beliefs that might sound 594 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 1: equally strange when you just list them the way that 595 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 1: we did. Yeah, I'm sorry, I must apologize for the 596 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 1: way I did that list. But whatever, I don't even 597 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 1: know if this is you or if this is one 598 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: of your seven clones ursch sorry, church Tertiary, well, Tertiary, 599 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: if I can just call you three um, we've we've 600 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 1: reached the point where usually in our podcast we talk 601 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 1: about where to go to learn more. UM, I have 602 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,840 Speaker 1: a little bit of a of a of a twist 603 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 1: on this. If you're into it, Yeah, I'm totally into it. 604 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 1: Let's talk about how to get somebody help if they're 605 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 1: in a cult, because we know that this this can 606 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: be a heartbreaking thing, you know, especially so a lot 607 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 1: of people find themselves in a situation where maybe their 608 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 1: child is just old enough to be uh their own 609 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 1: legal guardian, but young enough or isolated enough that they 610 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 1: fall into a clearly unsafe situation like a cult. UM. 611 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 1: So we found a couple of things from some cult 612 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 1: helplines that we can advise you with. One of the 613 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 1: first things that if you're talking to a loved member 614 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: who is in a cult, be careful not to straight 615 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: up criticize the group or the member, because remember that 616 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 1: if it's a cult, they're going to try to tear 617 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 1: down this person's ego, which means that they have no privacy. 618 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 1: They will have to say what you said about the 619 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 1: cult or the leader, and then this will likely be used. 620 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 1: If the leader knows anything what's going on, this will 621 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 1: likely be used as a reason to cut you off 622 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,640 Speaker 1: from their life, which makes it much harder. And you 623 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,719 Speaker 1: have to keep in mind that this group is purposefully 624 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: trying to isolate this person, your loved one, So you 625 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,799 Speaker 1: have to remember to initiate communication as much as you 626 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,760 Speaker 1: possibly can with them. Um, but you have to be really, 627 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 1: really careful not to be judgmental when you're talking to 628 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 1: this person Socratic method, Yes, you can't because that will 629 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: send them directly in the opposite direction. Oh, another one 630 00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,720 Speaker 1: that's pretty important here. Uh, just some housekeeping which applies 631 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 1: to any organization, in my opinion, don't give original documents 632 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 1: to anyone. No original birth certificates, no original copies of 633 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,360 Speaker 1: wills or anything like that. And please God, no titles, 634 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 1: no deeds to any physical possession. It will not be 635 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: yours for long. Do not, under any circumstances, allow yourself 636 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 1: to be persuaded by quote professionals to spend lots of 637 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 1: money on some kind of treatment or some kind of 638 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: legal action until you've verified the credentials of that person, 639 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,959 Speaker 1: not only but also the qualifications that they have for 640 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 1: handling this problem. Right. Yeah, because it's there's there's something 641 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 1: where it verges into con territory where someone says, well, 642 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 1: you have this problem that I can solve for you 643 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,319 Speaker 1: because of my vast knowledge, just like that doctor who 644 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,720 Speaker 1: may or may not have existed in the Kuram case. Um. Next, 645 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 1: don't feel guilty, don't feel alone. These this kind of 646 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 1: stuff is distressingly common, and it can it can happen 647 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: to anybody's family. It doesn't mean that your family is 648 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,200 Speaker 1: bad if one of your family members is suckered in 649 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,239 Speaker 1: by occult Yeah, it's it's. It is very important to 650 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,280 Speaker 1: remember that there are probably a lot of other people 651 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,360 Speaker 1: going through very similar situation, and there are people you 652 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 1: can talk to. There's um you know, there is a 653 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,439 Speaker 1: cult hotline and a cult help clinic. There's all kinds 654 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,840 Speaker 1: of family support groups that meet monthly usually or sometimes 655 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 1: even more frequently. Yeah, and you can find you can 656 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:23,880 Speaker 1: find some help, likely in an area relatively near to you. 657 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,920 Speaker 1: The Internet is your friend in this regard, especially if 658 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 1: you're in like an isolated community, which some people might be. UM. 659 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,640 Speaker 1: Get online, call a helpline. If if there's a situation 660 00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,239 Speaker 1: where you feel trapped and you think that you are 661 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 1: in a cult um, then you can call you You 662 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,319 Speaker 1: legally can call nine one one and say that you 663 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,319 Speaker 1: are being held against your will. Um. It is a 664 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 1: crime to hold somebody against their will without you know, 665 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,719 Speaker 1: legal steps taken to do so. So unless they have 666 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,960 Speaker 1: power of attorney over you, you know, um, which again 667 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:06,400 Speaker 1: you should never agree to. Uh. Then you your best bet, 668 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,440 Speaker 1: although it can be very difficult, is to go outside 669 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 1: of this group. The if if there's somebody who's exploiting 670 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,440 Speaker 1: you an occult um or exploiting one of your loved ones, 671 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 1: then they're not going to give up, which means that 672 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 1: you should research the group, figure out everything about what 673 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,279 Speaker 1: happens so you can know what's going on with this 674 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,239 Speaker 1: person in your life. And then we go to the 675 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:32,600 Speaker 1: most important thing to remember, right Matt, do not give up. 676 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,040 Speaker 1: Remember that this person, your loved one, is probably a 677 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:41,440 Speaker 1: product of either your upbringing or your friendship. Um. And 678 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 1: it's really hard to break those bonds. Even if if 679 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,400 Speaker 1: the group has attempted to break those bonds, Um, there 680 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,680 Speaker 1: is something there that remains, and you have you have 681 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,720 Speaker 1: some sway over this person that you love, who probably 682 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 1: loves you back. So yeah, just you know, if you 683 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:03,360 Speaker 1: really believe that it's a scary, dangerous situation, do not 684 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 1: give up, and let me add something else here, Matt, 685 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 1: that I think you and I have neglected to mention earlier. 686 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 1: It's very important just because let's say you have a 687 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,680 Speaker 1: child or a friend, or a sibling or a parent 688 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,719 Speaker 1: or whatever who believes in something that you don't agree with. 689 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,719 Speaker 1: Just because they believe in that does not necessarily mean 690 00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,359 Speaker 1: they're in a cult. So you have to be very 691 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:32,960 Speaker 1: very careful, um too, look at the organization as well 692 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,440 Speaker 1: before you decide that something's a cult, because I think 693 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,240 Speaker 1: it's it's deceptively easy. It's a bit of a slippery 694 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,840 Speaker 1: slope to start with. Well, I don't like it, so 695 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,000 Speaker 1: let me find things to dislike, you know, just like 696 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 1: the old Louis c Ca bit where he says, you know, 697 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,760 Speaker 1: if you don't like something, if you don't like a person, 698 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 1: and everything they do makes them seem like a jerk. 699 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,520 Speaker 1: You know, they look at that tool eating ice cream. 700 00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,239 Speaker 1: Luis came in Insights on the Planet right now. Yeah, 701 00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,560 Speaker 1: he'd probably be a pretty good cult D programmer, which 702 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 1: we didn't even talk about because sometimes it turns out 703 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:10,000 Speaker 1: that's a scam. Yeah, But I think, Matt, now is 704 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 1: the time for us to finally do some listener mail right. 705 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:20,640 Speaker 1: Oh yes, and we've got a great one. This comes 706 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:25,720 Speaker 1: from Kellison D and just I wanna say here. Kellison 707 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,239 Speaker 1: says that we can talk about or quote any part 708 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,359 Speaker 1: of this email in the email. So cool, Kellson, thanks 709 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,319 Speaker 1: for writing in. Kelson says, I didn't check the date 710 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:36,680 Speaker 1: on the video, so I don't know if I'm too late. 711 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,040 Speaker 1: But at the end of your cult video, which I loved, 712 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,400 Speaker 1: you asked about what underground basis you should cover in 713 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,040 Speaker 1: future videos. I was raised Mormon, and that's why I 714 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:51,840 Speaker 1: loved the cult video so much. Interesting the Mormons have 715 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,279 Speaker 1: not secretly by any means, and underground vault that supposedly 716 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,680 Speaker 1: holds the largest genealogy library in the world. I've never 717 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,120 Speaker 1: been to it, but I'm told that tours are offered 718 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,560 Speaker 1: maybe they still are, and that it's bomb proof and 719 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,120 Speaker 1: they have to take you in a golf cart a 720 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,360 Speaker 1: mile deep into the earth. Granted more specifically, and the 721 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,440 Speaker 1: Mormon's material of choice for though the granted is the 722 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:16,120 Speaker 1: Mormon's material choice for all edifices. I don't know if 723 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,680 Speaker 1: there's anything fishy here, but it's certainly weird. What do 724 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,839 Speaker 1: you think then? Uh? You know it is true that 725 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,920 Speaker 1: the Church Lad Day Saints is a world leader in 726 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:32,360 Speaker 1: genealogy UM and recordings. As far as the specific information 727 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,560 Speaker 1: about the underground facility, I know it's there. I wish 728 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,000 Speaker 1: an you more. I would love to check it out. UM. 729 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:44,440 Speaker 1: And it's very interesting to read this email. What I 730 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,480 Speaker 1: think we should do is start looking into this, uh 731 00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,440 Speaker 1: in some more detail. I mean, it's it's fascinating. I 732 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 1: think it's a great idea. Actually, if I had the 733 00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:58,080 Speaker 1: funds to put anything deep underground in grant it, if 734 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,000 Speaker 1: that I thought were special, man, I'd do that. Yeah, 735 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,480 Speaker 1: you put genealogy records, I'd put everything down there. You 736 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,239 Speaker 1: would be like an underground bunker hoarder. Oh yeah, dude. 737 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,200 Speaker 1: Anything I thought was important for humanity that wasn't perishable 738 00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,000 Speaker 1: going in my granite bunker. All right, Well we'll build 739 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,799 Speaker 1: it one brick at a time. Man. One thing, just 740 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,120 Speaker 1: want to say thanks again to Kelson for writing in 741 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,239 Speaker 1: and letting us read your email. Yeah, man, thank you 742 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,440 Speaker 1: so much. And if for everybody else who's wondering, hey, 743 00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,520 Speaker 1: how can I get a shout out on the podcast 744 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,360 Speaker 1: which Dick Kelson asked for. That Kelson didn't ask for 745 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,880 Speaker 1: a shout out. But guess what you got one? You 746 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,280 Speaker 1: got one? Oh, I don't know, Kellison. I'm really sorry. 747 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. Uh. Kellison will write in to correct us. 748 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,719 Speaker 1: But that was a fantastic piece of listener mail. We 749 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,839 Speaker 1: do appreciate your time writing in. You can also talk 750 00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,200 Speaker 1: to us. We're lousy all over the internet. You can 751 00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,480 Speaker 1: find us on Facebook, you can find us on Twitter. 752 00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,200 Speaker 1: We're conspiracy stuff at both of those. We've got a website. 753 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,360 Speaker 1: Oh but then I'm gonna go update as we speak. 754 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,640 Speaker 1: It's stuff they don't want you to know dot com. 755 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,400 Speaker 1: It's a little bit long to type in, but the 756 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,840 Speaker 1: journey is worth it, my friends. And if you want 757 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,480 Speaker 1: your listener mail read on the air, if you want 758 00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,640 Speaker 1: to shout out on the air, then it's very very 759 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,919 Speaker 1: very simple to do. So all you have to do 760 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,080 Speaker 1: is send us an email directly with a good story, 761 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,000 Speaker 1: a topic, suggestion, some feedback. We love it all man. 762 00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:28,319 Speaker 1: Our email address is conspiracy at Discovery dot com. 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