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Speaker 1: This is the Meat Eater Podcast. We're in Paduka, Kentucky.

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Speaker 1: How far out of Paduka? How about six miles. We're

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Speaker 1: at the homestead of the gentleman who just clarified our

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Speaker 1: distance from Paduka, Kevin Murphy, Um lives here, not far

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Speaker 1: from what rivers down there, the Clarks River. There's so

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Speaker 1: many rivers rounding you can't keep all straight lives down

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Speaker 1: from the Clarks River. It's got horses, sixteen hunting dogs,

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Speaker 1: a garage that in my that that I gave an

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Speaker 1: organization grade of I believe a D plus. You're very generous,

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Speaker 1: Steve D plus. He would have gotten f but it

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Speaker 1: was at least still standing in there. Um. The dogs

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Speaker 1: Kevin owns are small game dogs, and we just spent

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Speaker 1: three or four We spent four days in and around

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Speaker 1: western Kentucky hunting for a variety of small game with dogs.

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Speaker 1: We hunted squirrels, we hunted eastern cotton tails, and today,

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Speaker 1: for the first time ever in my life, we hunted

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Speaker 1: swamp rabbits, which is the largest of the cotton tail family,

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Speaker 1: and they are giants, five pounders. All the rabbits days,

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Speaker 1: there's no doubt they would average over five pounds, and

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Speaker 1: you've weighed a lot of them. Last year, we weighed

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Speaker 1: twelve rabbits at the same location and they all averaged

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Speaker 1: above five pounds. The smallest one was four and a half.

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Speaker 1: The larger one topped just a little bit above six

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Speaker 1: pounds with a digital turkeys scale. So it wasn't a

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Speaker 1: bathroom scale. It wouldn't, you know, tabletop. It was a

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Speaker 1: digital turkey scale. You know. My old man always would

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Speaker 1: say that, Uh the heat wade. Yi are we boring you? No,

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Speaker 1: not at all. I'm very interested in this book that

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Speaker 1: I thought it might come into play later in the podcast.

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Speaker 1: That's all. I'm just doing a little okay good. I

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Speaker 1: was just curious why you're reading the book during the thing, Kevin, Uh, what,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about squirrels first, because that's what

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Speaker 1: we came down here for years ago. I was at

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Speaker 1: I was in St. Louis. We're trying to think of

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Speaker 1: it tonight when we're eating dinner. Probably three years ago,

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Speaker 1: it would be three and a half and be four

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Speaker 1: years it's coming April. I'm pretty sure I was in St.

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Speaker 1: Louis at the I was doing a booth appearance um

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Speaker 1: at the n r A convention, and I think I

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Speaker 1: was there. I think I was there for the network,

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Speaker 1: I think Sportsman Channel. And I got to talk, and

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Speaker 1: you know, when you're doing that, like I meet all

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Speaker 1: kinds of cool people, and we talked a lot about stuff.

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Speaker 1: But but Kevin, we met and got talking about squirrels,

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Speaker 1: and I just sensed a tremendous amount of ashen for

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Speaker 1: squirrel hunting. And not only that, but I could tell

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Speaker 1: that you have that you have a very uh, almost

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Speaker 1: scientific approach to squirrels. I'm used to seeing that level

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Speaker 1: of detail in appreciation for the history and the management

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Speaker 1: and what's going on seasonally. I'm used seeing it with

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Speaker 1: turkey guys. I'm used to seeing it with dear guys,

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Speaker 1: elk guys. You get like sheep fanatics, but you seldom

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Speaker 1: meet someone who is a lifetime student of small game.

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Speaker 1: There's a few of us around, there's a there's a

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Speaker 1: brotherhood of us, but to very few here. There's a

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Speaker 1: ton of them. There's a lot of local boys that

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Speaker 1: you know, we liked our dogs and guns and horses

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Speaker 1: and being outside and whether it squirrel, you know, any

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Speaker 1: kind of small game, but the squirrel. We've kind of

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Speaker 1: some squirrel fanatics here. But what was interesting when we

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Speaker 1: were talking about all this, So you were born and

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Speaker 1: raised here, yes, just right in the vicinity, yes, And

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Speaker 1: what was interesting, as you said, it's cold times to

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Speaker 1: me over the last day, as we've been hanging out

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Speaker 1: hunting together, there was no option but the hunt. Like

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Speaker 1: when you were a kid, there's no option but the hunt.

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Speaker 1: Small game. That that was it, that was what we

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Speaker 1: you know, you joined us. You couldn't wait till you

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Speaker 1: got your first baby gun. Started with a baby gun

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Speaker 1: and you were after you know, the barn rats and spurs,

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Speaker 1: you know everything. Nothing was pretty much off limit when

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Speaker 1: you're a kid there and you go you go from

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Speaker 1: bb gun to twenty two and the rights of passage

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Speaker 1: was to go out and take a twenty two or

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Speaker 1: a shotgun on your first squirrel hunt and get your

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Speaker 1: first squirrel. You know, that was the the first level

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Speaker 1: of hunting there where you take something with the farm

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Speaker 1: is pretty much a squirrel. Uh. Traditionally in Kentucky, Uh,

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Speaker 1: squirrel season comes in the third Saturday in August and

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Speaker 1: everybody hit the squirrel woods and then they it was

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Speaker 1: mainly mostly deal hunters and uh yeah, still hunt hunting

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Speaker 1: there not hound hunting. And uh I can remember I

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Speaker 1: was probably years old. My dad was a big bird hunter.

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Speaker 1: Um even back then, the birds we was getting just

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Speaker 1: a cousin that heat squirreld hunted all the time with

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Speaker 1: a German eight millimeter miles or I think you give

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Speaker 1: about like for it back then and traded it to

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Speaker 1: his cousin for a crossed uphound squirrel dog, and so

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Speaker 1: that pretty much started. It was a hound type. It

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Speaker 1: would bark on track and go around some kind of

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Speaker 1: crossed uphound. You know. It didn't have any distinguishing marks

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember from fifty years ago. There's not

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Speaker 1: any pictures of it. Her name was Lady, and we

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Speaker 1: would go out hunting. My dad would be the rifleman,

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Speaker 1: and for some reason he had me to be the

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Speaker 1: shotgun with a little H and R twenty gauge at

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Speaker 1: full choke that shot like a rifle. And so and

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Speaker 1: that's where I started my career. And like I said,

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Speaker 1: I have never never looked back and and met people

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Speaker 1: all over the southeast, lifelong friends that you know, twenty

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Speaker 1: five thirty years I've been been hunting with. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: and at the time, there was no deer, no turkey,

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Speaker 1: not like really huntable numbers. You're you're you're correct, you know,

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Speaker 1: small game was king, you know, people rabbit hunting. We

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Speaker 1: did have quail in huntable numbers and uh and in squirrels,

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Speaker 1: and that's what that's what we all pretty much much

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Speaker 1: hunted around here. What's interesting about that is, you know,

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Speaker 1: we've met so many people this week through Kevin that

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Speaker 1: and especially Danny whose property we hunted on today. You

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Speaker 1: when I saw my first year really you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. And Kevin said he remembered seeing his first

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Speaker 1: turkey track. Yeah, I can take you the spot in

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Speaker 1: the road right now where I saw my first turkey track.

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Speaker 1: And that's like a generational thing that you know, people

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Speaker 1: that we are peers, like we all just grew up

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Speaker 1: with that stuff. Really dear turkeys, big game hunting opportunities.

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Speaker 1: But you think about it, like being born in Michigan.

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Speaker 1: They were like I grew up. Guys, you can hunt deer.

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Speaker 1: There was turkey round us, but not a meet. Now

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Speaker 1: it's a great turkey hunting. Like after I moved away

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Speaker 1: it in for an elk tag to the north of us,

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Speaker 1: all in that state. Now, had you rolled the clock

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Speaker 1: back fifty sixty seven years, it was a very different picture. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But then my old man they used to hunt small

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Speaker 1: game all the time. They were real serious about hunting

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Speaker 1: contail rabbits. But it's just different. But you know, you

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Speaker 1: mentioned that thing, like you having a twenty two year

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Speaker 1: old man having a shotgun. I want to talk about that,

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Speaker 1: Like you're taking old prisoners approach to squirrel hunting. Right

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Speaker 1: when you go out with with a dog, you know,

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Speaker 1: some somebody in the party needs to take a shotgun.

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Speaker 1: You know. Uh, we try to kill the majority of

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Speaker 1: them with the rifles. But if we have one that's

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Speaker 1: gonna go up there. I'm you know, very rarely. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll let anybody shoot a sating squirrel with a shotgun.

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Speaker 1: I mean you're going, that's not when when you've got

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Speaker 1: that's good to do it that a way. But there's

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Speaker 1: utilizing that game. Mate. We don't want, you know, a

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Speaker 1: squirrel shot up with a shotgun. There there as I've

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Speaker 1: showed you guys the the tails cleaning method of cleaning

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Speaker 1: the squirrel. If you've got a nice head shot squirrel,

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Speaker 1: it comes right out and the meat is just pressed

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Speaker 1: BEAUTI and uh yeah, and and and I'll put out

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Speaker 1: Kevin's like super serious about small game cookery. And you've

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Speaker 1: eaten I mean thousands of squirrels. Yes, yes, when I

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Speaker 1: is a big deal for us. It was in Michigan

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Speaker 1: September open day of squirrel season, so later, and you

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Speaker 1: guys got started, and we got onto me and our brothers,

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Speaker 1: we got onto shotguns because if we wanted to go

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Speaker 1: out and get a bunch of stuff. And when you're hunting,

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Speaker 1: like I always divide squirrel hunting into leaves on leaves,

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Speaker 1: still carrying the leaves. It's it's a listening game as

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Speaker 1: full of pellets, sometimes pretty bad depending um. You know.

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Speaker 1: In our dad, Oh, he would never would shoot squirrels

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Speaker 1: Do you ever do that? Take a toothpick, man, You

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Speaker 1: twist it all the fur, all the feathers clicked around

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Speaker 1: that toothpick and you pull it out. It's just clean. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: remember that it'll look dark like because the meat on

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Speaker 1: look dark. And you don't realize because that pellet drug

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Speaker 1: a little bit of think furn there and even if

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Speaker 1: it passes through, like if the pellet passes through, it'll

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Speaker 1: leave all that fur and feather in there. But you

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Speaker 1: take a toothpick, sire, and toilet pulls right out. That's slick.

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Speaker 1: It's slick. But anyhow, I now I think you said

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Speaker 1: the same thing. I would rather have one squirrel shot

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Speaker 1: to the head of the twenty two then three squirrels

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Speaker 1: that got shot, yes, because it's so clean and nice

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Speaker 1: you don't have to struggle when you're you know, using

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Speaker 1: the tail tail cleaning method. You can clean that that

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Speaker 1: If it's shotgunning there, you you know, pulling too. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: it's just it's just, you know, it just doesn't look

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Speaker 1: you go beat beautiful when it's all the wise? So, uh,

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Speaker 1: how how does like put it to me? From from

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Speaker 1: however you'd like to discuss it? How does squirrel hunting

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Speaker 1: with dogs differ? I can see that it's way more

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Speaker 1: effective than still hunting for squirrels. But just explain the

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Speaker 1: process of squirrel hunting dogs, what kind of dogs, what

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Speaker 1: somebody talks right there. All of a sudden, the squirrel,

426
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 1: I've got this perfect shot. Now he's moved over here,

427
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: and um, like I said, slight movement, hearing whatever there though,

428
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 1: that's the only time you have to be quiet is

429
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: when you're getting ready to put them put the keel

430
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: shot on it. Pretty much. The other day we went out,

431
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 1: we met up that is cool area near here Land

432
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: between the lakes was what's the Tennessee and Cumberland River

433
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: right Tennessee and Combing River. So it used to be

434
00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 1: a big isthmus between the Tennessee and Cumberland rivers. People

435
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: called it land between the rivers, like a big what's

436
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,879
Speaker 1: about a hundred and seventy thousand acre block where the

437
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: two rivers come within how many miles of each other.

438
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 1: I'm just guessing across there five miles, not even not

439
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 1: even maybe not even that far. So you've got two

440
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: big gas rivers that flowing to the Ohio and at

441
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: the time, they're flowing north parallel, and they got this

442
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: chunk of land and people folks used to call land

443
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: between the rivers or between between the rivers. They shortened

444
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: but both whites between the rivers between the rivers or

445
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: land between the rivers. And then for reasons of flood

446
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: control and hydro electricity and otherwise, just like are great

447
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 1: fervor to build a lot of dams in the In

448
00:23:54,920 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 1: the mid nine they damned up first the Tennessee River,

449
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: first the Tennessee. After the thirties, we had a tremendous

450
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 1: flood here nineteen thirty seven. I talked to some of

451
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 1: the old timers. They said they could remember seeing whole

452
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: houses floating down the river. I forgot it rained for

453
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: like twenty eight days in a row or something here.

454
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: Instruction very much, very much. Um. Like I was reading

455
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: this book, you had just like unidentified children that were

456
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: never identified, founding back eddies and just devastaates. Yes, yes,

457
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: they damned the river, and yes, the flood control is

458
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: a big part of it. Inspired by that. By that flood,

459
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: then they damned the other river and it became instead

460
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: of land between the lakes or land between the river,

461
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: was land between the lakes because these are two impoundments

462
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: that both these rivers are impounded before they flow into

463
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 1: the Ohio, which of course goes down to flow into

464
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: the Mississippi down to the Gulf of Mexico. Um. They

465
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 1: had this big chunk of land, and then the UH

466
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 1: the federal government started a long and and sometimes contentious

467
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: process I gather of buying out people in this area, residents.

468
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 1: There was far It was very sparsely populated, but still

469
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 1: people there. Many people sold out willingly. We're glad to

470
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 1: go to areas that offered more opportunity, different kind of jobs,

471
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: better land. Some people were very much in love with

472
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: where they live and didn't want to move. But as

473
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: it went, it was turned into a wonderful hundred and

474
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 1: seventy thousand acre right. Yes, National Recreation are administered by

475
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 1: National Forest Um. That's one of the biggest contiguous chunks

476
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: of public land anywhere in this region. Open three miles

477
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: of shoreline on major rivers and reservoirs. I mean, it's

478
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: just like a gym. I'd always heard about the place,

479
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: but I've never visited. But it's kind of amazing. I mean,

480
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: it's just this giant block of land that you just

481
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: will take a lifetime to to see it all thoroughly.

482
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: And you've done that fifty years of it. So we

483
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: went out here to hunt squirrels. Access is easy, you know,

484
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 1: there's a lot of good access, a lot of good roles,

485
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of nice big chunks of woods

486
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: that don't have a road running into them. But you

487
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 1: it's it's a really well run spot, well thought out spot.

488
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 1: But we went out, parked trucks like kind of drove

489
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: down a paved road, turned on new dirt road, drove

490
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: down the dirt road, pulled off, cut the dogs loose.

491
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 1: There was a foggy no heavily overcast grade A caught

492
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: the dogs loose, and uh, we were hunting. You wanted

493
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: to hunt more thicker stuff. Yeah, explain that thinking a

494
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: little bit. Two reasons um, one are mass. We had

495
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: a mass figure this year. It takes about fifty pounds

496
00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: per aker of mass to ride the wildlife through the wintertime,

497
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,239
Speaker 1: and we were way below that this year with a

498
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 1: bumper crop of squirrels. So what that meant was they

499
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: were gonna eat everything up in the woods and when

500
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: it gets wintertime, they're not gonna have anything no mast

501
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: to eat. So squirrel the mast is the acron's uh

502
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: mainly out there. I don't think they figured the hickory

503
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: nuts any at all. We had a We had a

504
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 1: very limited amount of hickory nuts. To give any example

505
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: here at my house on fourteen acres, I've got to

506
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 1: four pacun trees a front yard, several h hickory trees

507
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: um produced nuts um um. They ripened early. Uh first,

508
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: did you August? Traditionally when a squirrel season comes in.

509
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: The squirrels came in. They wiped though the hickory nuts

510
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: out the first and the next thing they attacked was

511
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: my bacon trees. They cleaned those and we didn't have

512
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 1: that strong a crop of them. Do to we had

513
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 1: a two severe winters back to back and um, my

514
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: fruit fruit trees guys to blueberries, uh, blackberries. Um, it

515
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: killed the BlackBerry vines all the way back down to

516
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: the roots. And I had very limited The year before last,

517
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: I picked fourteen gallons of blackberries. I was lucky to

518
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 1: get two gallons this year. Real bad, real bad year

519
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 1: for production of fruits and nuts for this season. Um.

520
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: Things that limited nut production. Uh. In the springtime, a

521
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: late frost can can kill the buds of the trees

522
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: there that produced the akrons. Um. Red oaks produce acrons

523
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: every two years. White oaks produce acrons every year. So

524
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: and and you know, not all the trees are lined

525
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: up in cycle. That doesn't mean that, you know, you

526
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: go two years and don't have any any acrons. They

527
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: are all different sinks there. But it takes two years

528
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: to produce a red oak acren one year to produce

529
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: a white oak acron. Um. Getting back to our was

530
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: that they ate the hickron hickores first, they ate the bacons,

531
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: they hit the akrons, and after they hit the acrons,

532
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: they went into there's a little pine thicket as you

533
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: come down my drive. They started eating the pine cones.

534
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: So you know, they wiped out that food source here

535
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: before the first of November, so they've got nothing to eat.

536
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: And I was just talking to to Jodie, the squirrel

537
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: hunter that that went with us today. He said, you know,

538
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: earlier sas you know, we had all kinds of squirrels

539
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: at the house. We got none now, he said, my

540
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: neighbor right down the road killed twenty five squirrels out

541
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: of these para trees. So you know there they were

542
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: outfraiding other all the sources there. So you know, in

543
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: the woods now there's not any feeds, so they're going

544
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: to the to the thickets to get whatever we'd seed.

545
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: Mushrooms might be growing there, digging around for grubs. You know.

546
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: The squirrel take advantage about any kind of food source

547
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: that's out there. Yes, So rather than hunting like that.

548
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: That was the thing I learned, because if I was

549
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: going out to look for uh, squirrels, I wouldn't be

550
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: paying like I wouldn't until now. I wouldn't think about

551
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: where those trees were in production. My assumption would just

552
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: be like, oh, going to the big oaks because of

553
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: course there's acorns, but walking around we didn't see shipfre acorns.

554
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: You didn't see if you'll remember, Steve, anywhere where you

555
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: saw turkey scratching or the deer in there, we had

556
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: squirrels because there was still just a little bit of fade.

557
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: You know. Some of the trees did make some some

558
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: some nut acrons, but but the big, the big part

559
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: of the forest, there's there's just not you know, we

560
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: saw one or two little logs there with a another ship.

561
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: Sure sign that we have squirrels and vicinity is they'll

562
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: pack acrons up to logs and at them there and

563
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: you'll see the holes from the acorns. We saw very

564
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: very little little of that. Another good point you had

565
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: about hunting thickets. There's a lot of vines and those thickets.

566
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: And as you get on and on in the year,

567
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: you get fewer and fewer squirrels. Yes, like squirrels have

568
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: they don't have a friend in the world, Like everybody's

569
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: out trying to kill them and eat them. You get

570
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: fewer and fewer squirrels. And you're kind of now getting

571
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: into the part of the year up until early spring,

572
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: like when they're gonna have more where you got the

573
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: die hards right now are the ones left in the woods,

574
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: and there's more security in those areas where you have

575
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: some thickets and vines where they can get in there

576
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: and have protection from avian predators, that protection from kyotes

577
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: all the other stuff is trying to kill them. Yes,

578
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: it's it's new purposes. A little bit of fade in

579
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: there and plus protection. They they feel protected. You know,

580
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: they're out in the big woods, then they're pretty much

581
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,479
Speaker 1: open prey for for anything they can. The prey can

582
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: say them from long distance, can stalk them that away.

583
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: Like I said, if they're in the thickets and stuff,

584
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: you know, they were kind of little ravines and hidding.

585
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,239
Speaker 1: They're not great big places, so you know, they had

586
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: some pretty tight quarters, so it would be hard for

587
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: you know, the predators to get inner to see him

588
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: from from a distance. And like you said, the birds

589
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: of prey, the owls, the hawks and stuff have a

590
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: little bit more difficulty in those there's areas than the

591
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: open forest. Yeah, and we got out and we started

592
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: hunting up a what I would call draining, like just

593
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: small drainages you guys call hollows hollows. Yeah, that's a local,

594
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: local term. But I always heard that. I never knew

595
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: what the hell of meant. I thought they somehow meant like,

596
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what, like a little low pond area,

597
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: because like like a hollow I think of like a

598
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: bold depression. But you guys call a creek bottom of

599
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: Howel hollow. Yes, yeah, I mean, I mean just that's

600
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: what you grow up. And we're gonna go up the

601
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: hollow here. And I don't know where it came from,

602
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: term of cooley Cooley. Yes, I've heard of that out west.

603
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: And then when I was bear hunting down in North Carolina,

604
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: they called him bays. I said, where's the bay? I

605
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: don't see any water out there, so we're gonna go

606
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: up there. If you any of you guys ever heard

607
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: heard that term, Well, that was the first time I've heard.

608
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: We're gonna go over here and hunt this bay. You know,

609
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 1: we call them like we had vians, but we think

610
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: of it like a little bit steeper. But when I

611
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: went out west, I discovered coolie. What are you talking about? Coolies?

612
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, coolie CEO U L E. S would be

613
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: like a It's a type of all these different names

614
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: for drainages. If anyone's interested in law, draw gut Callahan

615
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: calls them guts, go up that gut anyone interested in

616
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: landscape terms. There's a phenomenal book. It belongs on your shelf, Kevin,

617
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: because you're a great collector of books that have uh,

618
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: you know, very dangerous arcane information and interesting bits of

619
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: information that no one knows. There's a book called by

620
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: it was it was compiled by Barry Lopez, called home

621
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: Ground Homeland. Looked it up on your phone, Yannie, I

622
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: have it at home. Home Ground. Anyways, it's a it's

623
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: a glossary. It's a big book. It's a glossary of

624
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: landscape terminology. But it's all built out of great passages

625
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: from literature and other stuff where you and you can

626
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: look up any term, like I guarantee you look up

627
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: a hollow, it'll probably like Faulkner and other people talking

628
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: about what a hollow is, coolly, any landscape term, Arctic

629
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: anywhere around the world. Anytime someone's saying to you, like

630
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: hard pan or whatever, you like, what the hell is

631
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: that mean? It's in this book. It's a good book.

632
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: I need to get that. Yeah, it would fit right

633
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 1: in with your stuff. Man, it's beautiful. Do you find

634
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: it home ground? Well, you're here and there. No, it's

635
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: but if you do find it, that'd be great. So

636
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: uh pushed up this hollow and the dogs are doing

637
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: We just had one that more the first morning. Bobby Django. Yes, yes,

638
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: wind was just yeah, I should point out wind was howling.

639
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: That was another reason we were staying down in the

640
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: hollow is because the wind was howling and we're trying

641
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: to find places where you get out of the wind

642
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 1: a little bit. Squirrels they don't like real whipping wind.

643
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: Tree tiles moving around, you can't tell what's going on.

644
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: And the dogs are cutting out, like how far do

645
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: they cut out? And they loop around like that. Usually,

646
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: if you just got a single uh dog out there,

647
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: Bobby Django ranges anywhere from like a hundred maybe to

648
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 1: maxim two hundred yards unless he at that two hundred

649
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: yard point hits a squirrel or something, go feather, but

650
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: usually go out a hundred two hundred yards and come

651
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: back in and check out us. Yeah, constantly, and you

652
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: can guide his movements. At first, I thought we just

653
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 1: followed the dog through the woods. But the dog, even

654
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: though he's going all over and covering many many many

655
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: times more ground than you're covering, he's always working in

656
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: these circles based off year route. So you're sort of

657
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 1: suggesting to the dog what areas we ought to be hunted,

658
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: her name, her name, suggestion whatever. We're sending him in

659
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: a direction, general direction that we want to go. And

660
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: he's cutting giant circles around you all the time, hunting, hunting,

661
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: hunting now, and you kind of forget about that. You

662
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: don't forget about dog. But he's out and you can't

663
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: Sometimes you can't see him, but all of a sudden,

664
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: often grayness of the morning, you'll all of a sudden

665
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: hear him going nuts and then I mean nuts like

666
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: squirrel food, I mean nuts like going crazy barking. Yeah,

667
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: we call it traying training squirrel. He's the dog is

668
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 1: trying and the first time it happened, I was incredulous.

669
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 1: First time it happened, he runs off, starts going crazy.

670
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 1: We kind of half jog, half walk over there. Get there.

671
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: He's standing against the tree, staring up into the tree,

672
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: and we look up tens of squirrel. Just that's it.

673
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: It's a little more complicated that because then you gotta

674
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: get the squirrel, and it can be hard to find

675
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 1: the squirrel up there, but you you do, like what

676
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: what most squirrel hunters do is if you're working in twos,

677
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: it's great because when you approach the squirrel, he's gonna

678
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: get some the trees between you and him, and you

679
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: might not notice them. Did you find home home ground?

680
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: Oh Um, The squirrel's gonna go on the backside of

681
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 1: the trees. You can't see him. But with two guys,

682
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: one guy holds tight, gets a rest for his rifle,

683
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 1: holds tight. The other guy goes around making some noise

684
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: around the tree. The squirrel is gonna respond to him

685
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: by squirting back around to the side of the tree

686
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: the shooters on and that's often the guy that gets

687
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: shot or the squirrels just gonna stick to where he was.

688
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: And you guys, circle and circle. I use binoculars to

689
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: look for my notice. You don't use binoculars to look

690
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: for him. Use your rifle, sculpt look for him. Yeah,

691
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: just one less thing I have to pack. He used to.

692
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: I used to go in and pack lots of year,

693
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: maybe a pistol in a little hatchet on the side.

694
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: I don't do that anymore. Just clean, going as as

695
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: light as I possibly catch. So you look around and

696
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: find them. And you and these ones we were finding

697
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: were all up in the top. Yes, pretty common on

698
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: a windy day for them to go high for some reason.

699
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 1: I don't know if they feel secure up there or why,

700
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: but that I've seen it happen lots of times, lots

701
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: of times. You know, people are amazed of them doing

702
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: that because one of the sure easy ways to find

703
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: a squirrel up there. You know, you see their tail

704
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: blowing in a win there, flapping it's hard for them.

705
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: And then the winding conditions. You know, even though we

706
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: don't like the wind hunting the wind there, sometimes it

707
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 1: is to our benefit because it is very difficult for

708
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: the squirrels to hide their tail blowing in the wind.

709
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 1: But they're not up there like feeding when they get

710
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: treated by the dog. They're going got pushed up there,

711
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: and for some reason they want they feel more secure

712
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: up in the top of the tree. And I don't

713
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: I don't. Squirrel would be smart too, never go into limbs.

714
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: When they get in trouble is when they push up

715
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: high into a tree into limbs. They're thinner than they are. Yes, yes,

716
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: they're silhouetted. You know. You get this cilhouette of a

717
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: squirrel up there. It's pretty easy to we're gonna do

718
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 1: squirrels a favor, you would somehow communicate to them. Never

719
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: hide on a limb smaller than a man's thigh, because

720
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: they go up there and they hold still like they're hidden.

721
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: But you can see him from so far away up

722
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: from the top of the tree. Now, the squirrel that

723
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 1: stays down a little bit and gets in the crotch

724
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: of a tree, that's a tough squirrel to find, very

725
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: very difficult, very difficult because you might see the tail,

726
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: but that doesn't do you any good. I mean, it

727
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 1: helps you look keying on the head, but you can't

728
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: shoot the tail. But probably know one place that he

729
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: can hide these tails in the crotch he goes. He

730
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: can pull that down in there, and it's it's tucked in,

731
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: you know, just like you know they and they're that

732
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: tail is not the winds blowing whatever. It can't probably

733
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: blow that tail inside that, you know, if it's a

734
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: pretty good sized crotch there, could you know, fork in

735
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: the tree can't. They won't get out and flop around.

736
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: So but I've had him hiding pretty good on me

737
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: when it's like not or a pretty solid limb, you know,

738
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: six eight inches in diameter and the wind is not blowing,

739
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 1: and they're laying on top of it. Yeah, and they

740
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: get down. Yeah, and you know what I've just picked up.

741
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: It's just like one arm, you know, or leg I

742
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: had that. They don't have arms, No, yeah, I would say,

743
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: I would say that arms. Yeah, I don't know what

744
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 1: you leg out front leg, But I had that. I found.

745
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: I found that one of the ones. This time I

746
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: can see two were just grabbing around the thing. I

747
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: didn't see him do that like I used to see

748
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: him do it in Michigan of laying flat on the

749
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: top of a limb. Fox squirrels are notorious for doing

750
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: that around here. Gray squirrels, you know, some people call

751
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: him a cat. Squirrels are a little bit more cagier

752
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: than a than that. But but the fox squirrel, first,

753
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: I have seen him on the river bottom just trying

754
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: to be too too high off the ground, you know,

755
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: maybet off the ground, just laying flat on it. You know,

756
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: he can just seem he's just trying to get flat

757
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: as he can on that on that limb. But you

758
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 1: do not see gray squirrels do that much around here.

759
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: Now you brought up fix squirrel and gray squirrel. So

760
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: you know, there's always exceptions, a ton of stuff. So

761
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some guy out there listening, and he's

762
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: gonna be like, good the tube. Oh, what I'm saying

763
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: is not true. But for tree squirrels in this country,

764
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: in North America, tree squirrels in North America, I'm gonna

765
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: give the what I'll call the Big four. You have

766
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 1: the eastern gray squirrel, that is a lightest gray squirrel. Now,

767
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 1: when you see a black squirrel, you're seeing a color

768
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: phase of the eastern gray squirrel. In some areas you

769
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: go in and it seems like seventy five of the

770
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: gray squirrels are black. It's typically the grays outnumber blacks.

771
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: In my mom's yard. Over my life, I've watched man

772
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: like all the squirrels seemed black now and then they're gray,

773
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: back and forth. A gray, a gray phase gray squirrel

774
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: can give birth to a black phase gray squirrel. I

775
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 1: have heard. I don't know if it's true that maybe

776
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: in some areas it's like maybe about tent or black face.

777
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: Does that bring true to you? Well, you know, we

778
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: don't have any any any black phase down here, gray none, none.

779
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: When I went to Walston and Manistee for the first time.

780
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: And we were driving down the road and I see

781
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: something solid jet black. I think it looks like well,

782
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: I thought it was a maybe a burnover place, like

783
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: a stump, you know, a stob, small trees just sticking

784
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: up right there. Then I realized that was my first

785
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: sighting of a black squirrel. But we do not have

786
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: any black gray squirrels that I have ever seen in

787
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: this part of western Kentucky. I don't think. I don't

788
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: think there's any. I don't know how far north you

789
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: have to go to see that, but the man of

790
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: State was the first place I had that's that that

791
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: the southern terminus of that National Forest was about about

792
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: a mile and a half from where I grew up.

793
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: And yeah, I grew up with a lot of black

794
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: face gray squirrels now continue on the Big Four. The

795
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: fox squirrel doesn't have as big of a range as

796
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: the gray squirrel, but it extends more westward in the

797
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: eastern gray squirrel. Both these squirrels are mixed up because

798
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: they've been introduced to a lot of places accidentally on purpose,

799
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: so there and they're like native range is different than

800
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 1: where they actually exist. When I was going to graduate

801
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 1: school out in Missoula, Montana. We had squirrels all over town.

802
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: They weren't from there. Then the western gray squirrel, which

803
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: is fairly rare squirrel got rare in recent years. And

804
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: now like you know, around Puget Sound you have eastern

805
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: gray squirrels hell over impuge it sounds south there you

806
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: have native western gray squirrel range. And then finally you

807
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: got your pine squirrel or red squirrel those some people

808
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: call fox squirrels red squirrels. Pine or red is a

809
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: little souped up, oftentimes meat eating, fired up little squirrel

810
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: that kind of like almost seems like a has like

811
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 1: a weasel's intensity. And there a northern animal, more northern

812
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: for tree squirrels. That's the main thing. Now you've got

813
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: different phases of stuff here and there, and like down

814
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 1: in Florida they got with the monkey squirrel something like that,

815
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: the big gass fox squirrel, different color. Um. I think

816
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: on a fox squirrel there's like tan subspecies, and have

817
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: the gray squirrel. I think they're six I don't know,

818
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: watch wash there, but um. When I was hunting on St.

819
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: Vincent's Island in the Panhandle of Florida, one time, one

820
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: of the funniest things I've ever said is a gray

821
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: squirrel in a palm tree. I just I just thought

822
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: that was he was up there and they had a

823
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: bunch of dead palm fronds on it there, and he

824
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: was up there playing rent and I was thinking, I said,

825
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: you know, there was something about that. It just doesn't

826
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: doesn't look right. For all my years I've seen him

827
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: either in a deciduous oak tree or you know, decisions

828
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: tree some kind, or possibly a fir tree whatever. But

829
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: just to see a gray squirrel in a palm tree,

830
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: just that's that's like, you know, I'm I'm thinking, you know,

831
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: Gilligan's Islands with us with a squirrel all the time.

832
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: Squirrel hunter, Jimmy Buffett Man, you know what I mean.

833
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: So why was I talking about kinds of squirrels? Oh,

834
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: you're talking about how fox squirrels like the lay up

835
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: on top of the branch. Now, you know Daniel Boone,

836
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: he one time was with a fellow named John Philson,

837
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: wasn't exploring writer. We spent a lot of time hanging

838
00:45:55,560 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: around during the frontier years. He claimed to have been

839
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: out squirrel hunting with Daniel Boom and he even specified

840
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: the year. I think he might have said he was

841
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: squirrel hunt with Boone, and later in Boone's life, like

842
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: after the Revolutionary War, maybe even as late as like

843
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 1: eight in the early eight hundreds, was all hunt squirrels

844
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: of Boom and described how Boone would find squirrels laid

845
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 1: up flat tree, squirrels laid up flat against the tree,

846
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: and he would take his rifle, muzzle loading rifle, and

847
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: rather than hitting the squirrel with the lead ball and

848
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: you know, damaging it severely, he would shoot the tree

849
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: and so that the ball hit the bark right up

850
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: where the squirrel was plastered, and he would call it

851
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,439
Speaker 1: barking him, and the just the jolt from the hit

852
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: and the bark flying up with stunned to squirrel and

853
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: sent it falling to the ground. The problem with Philson's story,

854
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: it's historians later put together that the year Philson said

855
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: he was shooting squirrels of Boone, I think he said

856
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: he saw it happen in Kentucky. Boone never stepped foot

857
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: in Kentucky that year, so Philson might have been pulling

858
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: everybody's leg or mixed up when it happened. But he

859
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: was saying that Boone was a big admirer of squirrel meat,

860
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 1: and that's how he hunted squirrels. And when you see

861
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: a squirrel hiding, it's like laying against that tree. I

862
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: think of it every time because I always think, now,

863
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: how that would be an exemplary piece of marksmanship to

864
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: bark a squirrel like that. It works a lot better

865
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: to use rim fire cartridges and shoot them in the

866
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: naga very much. You know. I have seen on several occasions,

867
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: um where we have shot squirrels in the head with

868
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: a twenty two rifle and it never penetrated on him,

869
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: just put a skid mark on him and come down.

870
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: Never never penetrate the skull, just kind of ricocheted off

871
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: and do that and kill them or put them unconscious,

872
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: and that's when you you know, I have heard of

873
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 1: people picking them up, put them in their game pouch

874
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: and then come back to life and be crawling around

875
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: and there. Yeah. So you know, if we ever do

876
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 1: that skinning one across the head there, you know, we'll

877
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: wipe them on a on a tree there and make

878
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: sure that they are dead. But I have seen that

879
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: on on several occasions. It's just hit a hit a

880
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: squirrel with a twenty two. Just if burne his hair,

881
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: but never break the skin, never be any sign of blood,

882
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: and stune them and be down there, you know, not

883
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: trying to do that. It just it just happened. That

884
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: happened that way. What have you ever? Like, you you've

885
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: never called squirrels? You know, you never had tried to

886
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: squirrel call? Whatsover. I'm the type of individual I cannot

887
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: sit still pretty much, so I've got to be pretty

888
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: much on the move. I have done some predator calling

889
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: and stuff. I could probably do the squirrel calling and

890
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: get around, but I've never never script squirrel call. Well,

891
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: when you squirrel call, you're not really trying to bring

892
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: the squirrel to you. You're just trying to get one

893
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: to light up the bark, yeah, to pause him. You know,

894
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 1: like you'll see one, or you'll see one bouncing around

895
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: and you can't get a shot at him, or any

896
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 1: number of things. And you do that, and he'll squirt

897
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: up a tree and position himself trying to figure out

898
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: what's going on, or he'll start barking too, and he'll

899
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: go from kind of running to he'll hear like what

900
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: it sounds like his buddy doing a warning cry, and

901
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: then he'll get up wanting to join in and chat

902
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: or two and it let's put him up in the

903
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: spot where you can get a crack at him, so

904
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: it's not like you're sitting there calling turkeys. You know,

905
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody really uses it. I hear now

906
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: and then of guys will do a very loud distress

907
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: call with a turkey with a squirrel call, almost like

908
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: where you're blowing a predator call noise and then shaking

909
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: the call to get like that that really fast piste

910
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: off call. And they're saying early in the year when

911
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 1: there's a lot of young squirrels around. Sometimes I've never

912
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: seen it happen personally, but people say sometimes you get

913
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 1: it where you're just bringing squirrels down the tree, coming

914
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: down aggressively, trying to figure out what's going on. But

915
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: you sure don't need to call squirrels to get ot

916
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: the dogs right, right, You just need a good set

917
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: of eyes. How do you how do you train up

918
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: a squirrel dog? Well, because I'm guessing you don't do

919
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: like what bird guys do of you know, going out

920
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: buying pen raised birds and getting them all dizzy and

921
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: setting them out in the field, like you're not doing that.

922
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: With squirrels, we do something similar, you know, when when

923
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: they're pups. One of the first things we may do

924
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: is uh uh put a squirrel tail on a like

925
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: a cane fishing pible on the line and getting used

926
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: to that and trailing around, putting up, getting squirreled out

927
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 1: of the bark. That's one of the biggest challenges a

928
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,919
Speaker 1: lot of dogs where run squirrels up the tree, track

929
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: them up right there, but when they get there, they

930
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: just look up. They won't they won't bark no good.

931
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: I mean, if he's two hundred yards away, we're you know,

932
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: where is it? Unless you've got a GPS track and

933
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: color on him? And and you know who wants a

934
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 1: silent tree dog? But get a get a squirrel tail

935
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: and get him to bark, you know what We call

936
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: it on a hang up, you know, we'll hang it

937
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: up somewhere, or we might pick a whole squirrel off

938
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: the road, up something that somebody's running over in a car,

939
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: drag it around, hanging up, put it in a bush.

940
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: A lot of times, what I like to do and

941
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: have done before, is put it in a bush, maybe

942
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: tie a piece of straining to that bush or small tree,

943
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: and then get back and shake it, act like it's

944
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: got some movement. Get that dog fired up. You start there. Uh,

945
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 1: then the next next thing, you may go and trap

946
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: a noose and squirrel that maybe that's raiding somebody's bird

947
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: feeder or they need to get to his fruit crop

948
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: or whatever, and to get rid of it and bring it,

949
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: show it to the dogs, let it loose, let it

950
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,919
Speaker 1: run up a small tree where the dog can see

951
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: it there, and that gets them fired up and get

952
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: them started. Now, don't ever do that more than one

953
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: or two times, because after that that seemed like the

954
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: dogs you don't gain anything either. He's gonna do it

955
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: that first or second time. If you do it the

956
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: third or fourth, it's kind of like you know, we

957
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: were head to discussion over shooting pen raised birds. Once

958
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: once you get a dog, and in my opinion, in

959
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: a pen raised bird, if you really want a true

960
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: wild bird dog, if you do that more than one

961
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: or two times, you're gonna get that dog. Dependent on

962
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: the dizzy, highly scented birds that come out of these

963
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: coop situations there where they've got all kinds of unlimited

964
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: sin on them that a natural bird probably does not have.

965
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: This is just kind of my personal opinion. You know,

966
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 1: it's like he's living this chicken coop with all this

967
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 1: bird extrement on the floor there. You know, a wild

968
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: bird doesn't, you know, doesn't live that way. A quail will,

969
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: you know, roost at night, leave a quick you know

970
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: louis droppings right there, then they go on. They do

971
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: not live in it day in and day out. I

972
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: know I never thought about in that way, like how

973
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: much smell a gun? And but I have noticed that

974
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 1: um dogs get like dogs that do that just can't

975
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: cope with reality. They can they can't cope with what

976
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: real They crowd, real birds. You know, they think they

977
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 1: can get a lot closer to real birds than they can.

978
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: Like a rough grouse in the Midwest. Don't hang out.

979
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: You can't. You're not gonna get up and point it

980
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: from six ft away. No, no, no, same same way.

981
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: And Upper Peninsula in Maine or whatever. You cannot get

982
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: in there and get close to grouse and then just

983
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: and you run pointer. I want to point out point

984
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: out that you run pointers to I've gotta said it

985
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,919
Speaker 1: right now. I used to have a German war haired corner.

986
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 1: But we just had a recent trip back in October

987
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: up up to Maine. Uh, several of us went up.

988
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: There's one guy, real good hunter there and he had

989
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: some some dogs that killed thousands on thousands of quail

990
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: in a pen. He took them up there. They were

991
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: totally worthless. He put them up. But he thought that

992
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: he you know, because those dogs, you can go out there,

993
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: turnal news so that that that quail farm it's there,

994
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: and a point lock up hold. You know, you go

995
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: around them out there. But they didn't have a chance

996
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 1: up there against in hunting. Grouse and quails two different

997
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: things anyway, too, So you know, so that was, you know,

998
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: the dogs didn't have a chance to begin with because

999
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: they're they're definitely two game birds. I know that. I

1000
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 1: got a good friend that I grew up with that

1001
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: always had bird dogs. I tried to get him to

1002
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: go grouse hunting with us, take his bird dogs. When

1003
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: I say bird, does bob white quail dogs up there?

1004
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: And the first thing out of his mouth was he said, Hey, said,

1005
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: then grouse, I'll ruin a good quail dog real quick.

1006
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: Why does he Why does he think that? Because you know,

1007
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: a quail will lock up stay there. Grouse you cannot

1008
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,760
Speaker 1: crowd and they will not stay. They will run sometime.

1009
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: And you have to have that. You have to have

1010
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: that special dog that that knows that hey, I can,

1011
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,280
Speaker 1: I can. He I smelled him right now at ten feet.

1012
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: Now he's at twenty. I can move up another ten

1013
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 1: mm and then then then he moves up again. I

1014
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:13,240
Speaker 1: can move up another tin. That's I'm kind of a novice.

1015
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: Novice so a grouse hunter, but I tried to look

1016
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: at what goes on out there and see and try

1017
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: to improve it there. You know, I try to gain

1018
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: as much knowledge as I possibly can, just like you

1019
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: know you guys tear it up up there. Yes, well

1020
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,879
Speaker 1: this is our second second year, and you know when

1021
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: we did, we had a very very successful one day.

1022
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: I killed three woodcock and in three grouse over a

1023
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: pointing dog, and that's a pretty good accomplished. I was.

1024
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: I was trying my best to limit out and get

1025
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: four woodcock and four four grouse over a pointing dog,

1026
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: and that would have been a pretty good lifetime accomplishment

1027
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: right there. And I got three and three. But I'm

1028
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: still happy it's gonna be. We saw three wood Cock today.

1029
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: You don't thing I want to talk about too. With

1030
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: the dog and running dogs for squirrels. Early we're talking about, oh,

1031
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: you're running up there's a squirrel. That happens. Probably correct

1032
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, But just from my perspective from

1033
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: December hunting, that happens at the time that the squirrel

1034
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: is just sitting up there, like, oh, there he is,

1035
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: you know, because they got a bad habit of disappearing

1036
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: in the nescent holes. It's not a given. When I

1037
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: heard that dog bark the first time I ran up

1038
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: got a squirrel, I'm like, man, we're gonna be done

1039
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 1: doing this is no time. But the other day we

1040
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 1: had we showed up in ten of them treat into dentries.

1041
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: There's no fault the dogs. Dog did his job. He's like,

1042
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: I could tell you certainty there's a squirrel in this tree.

1043
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 1: Now if he went into a hole, that's not my fault.

1044
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: I can tell you he's in this street. So he's

1045
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: doing his job. But he's got no way of knowing

1046
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:57,760
Speaker 1: that there's a two and a half inch diameter hold

1047
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: nod into some limb up there in the square, was

1048
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: not gonna come out of there. Anytime soon. Now, you know,

1049
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: the day's very you know, we turned loose. You know.

1050
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 1: The first one we trade was in a pine thicket,

1051
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: and with all the pine cones up there, it was

1052
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: just you know, we we gave it a pretty good look. Course,

1053
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: twenty five yards away another dog had a squirrel trade,

1054
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: pretty hot and heavy, with thought, well, you know, we'll

1055
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: give this a quick look over. Everybody looked out there,

1056
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,440
Speaker 1: you know. I I couldn't say it with yeah, it

1057
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: wasn't there wasn't nest up there yet. Kid, we'd start

1058
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: shooting into the nest, thinking that with beaby guns and whatnot,

1059
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: we shoot into the nest thinking that. But I mean, yeah,

1060
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: just a good chance of killing the squirrel never comes

1061
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: out of the nest. Yeah, but we stick. You'd drive

1062
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: them out of that shooting up into there. But that's

1063
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: pretty silky. But on some days, you know, they're only

1064
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: outside here. Again, I'm gonna go back. And I talked

1065
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: to a friend of mine after we had that hunt

1066
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: to day to see what he had been doing up there,

1067
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: and he's been facing some of the same problems. He said.

1068
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: Other day, we made twelve d entries before we ever

1069
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: killed a squirrel, and I believe due to the low

1070
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: food sources out there, the squirrels are kg they're leaning mean,

1071
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: everything's after him out there, and a lot of times

1072
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: when we've got lots of masks, I don't like the

1073
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: first squirrels that we kill or come straight out of

1074
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: the den. They're looking for food. They have nothing in

1075
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: their belly. They can run off, but you give them

1076
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: thirty minutes, forty five minutes whatever. They gorge theirselves, you know,

1077
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: and you've cleaned some of the squirrels where their stomach

1078
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: their pouch is just pooching out. I think they get lethargic,

1079
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: just like a human does. When we go in there

1080
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: and do a buffet, eat everything we've got. Well, you know,

1081
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,439
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna get and get where the guy can't

1082
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: reach me, and I have to go no further, you know,

1083
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: you know, just stay out here. And I truly do

1084
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: believe that stomach contents look like is uh my little

1085
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: daughter she's three. If you give her like cash using peanuts,

1086
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:11,479
Speaker 1: she keeps putting them in her mouth, but she doesn't

1087
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: get around the swallow on them. I'm pretty sure she's

1088
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: walking around and you tell like she needs some help,

1089
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 1: and so she'll spit it all on your hand. It

1090
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: looks exactly like squirrel stomach content. Yeah, just a yella

1091
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: yalla tasty turns into that, but she can't like yeah,

1092
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: whenever she does that, I was like, man, it looks

1093
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: like cleaning squirrels. But so they get you know what

1094
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 1: you brought up anything I thought was interesting. Uh, there's

1095
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: so little food out there that they're probably burning more

1096
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 1: energy going out looking for limited food reserves. And that's

1097
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: partially keeping them around, maybe not even coming out and

1098
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: not venturing out far because it's just they're just not

1099
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: out right now. They're taking it easy. Things are. Times

1100
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 1: are tough, not a lot of grub. Going back to

1101
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: the conversation with another fellow squirrel hunter, he said, yes,

1102
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,959
Speaker 1: Kevin said, you know, pretty soon it's gonna be where

1103
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: you go out and hunt an iron in the morning

1104
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: and the iron evening. You get what you get, take

1105
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: your dogs out. I mean as the season. As a

1106
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: season progresses, because they're gonna be looke, you know, moving

1107
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: less and less and lass sir, as we getting it's

1108
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: gonna get probably a little bit cooler and stuff. You know,

1109
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 1: right now, we still got ideal conditions. What was it

1110
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: the day before you all got here, seventy two degrees

1111
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: we need that day probably got up into the fifty

1112
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 1: nine sixty there during that day. Do we get that

1113
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: high on the first day? Cold cold that day, But

1114
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: you know we haven't got cold fingers now that the

1115
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: first day we hunted, we killed six, Yes, I saw seven,

1116
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: and it probably had I don't know, not more than

1117
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: four or five hole up on its not too many.

1118
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: That's that's probably correct. Another day we went out, we

1119
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: had a bunch of hole up and nest up, and

1120
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: then bam, bam bam, killed three in a row, yes,

1121
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,479
Speaker 1: three trees in a well. We had a two pack

1122
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: and a one town And then went on to den

1123
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: up probably ten every bit of ten, yeah, every bit

1124
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: of ten where that dog is bade up on the tree,

1125
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: and that dog like no doubt in his mind that

1126
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 1: he knows what's up there. But you looking as plain

1127
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:22,439
Speaker 1: as day holes holes, you know, I think a couple

1128
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 1: of them. We saw a few little nut shavings where

1129
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: they'd come out and eating. I said, I think they

1130
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: just come out from the den's peddled around on the

1131
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: ground there a little bit. He come in one of

1132
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: my buddies. He's got a a pet squirrel that he

1133
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: keeps at his house there, and he'll go out and

1134
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: show puppies that it's up hine. He's got a condominium

1135
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 1: squirrel condominium forward and wire cages like a hamster cage.

1136
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 1: He can run up and down all over right there.

1137
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: And that's another way you can start a lot of

1138
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: people in the area start dogs. That a way. Just

1139
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: go over and look at him and run around. You know.

1140
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: I took him a whole big, like three gallons of

1141
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: the cons the other day that we're left over from

1142
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: my trees from about two years ago that I didn't

1143
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: utilize there. And he says, he says, right now, Kevin

1144
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: said that squirrel his house is cram packed full of

1145
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: corn and nuts. He said, I've never seen one do

1146
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: like that before. Said it's cram packed up. He packed,

1147
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: he packed it in up there, and that's why he and,

1148
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: like I said, our conversation, we don't know. He says,

1149
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the den trees out there

1150
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: that they've got a bunch of nuts and stuff holded

1151
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: up in them. Don't know that, you know, I said

1152
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: that just just looking at his pets squirrel that he

1153
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: has that is taking his nuts that he gives them

1154
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: out there, you know, you know, you know, may put

1155
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: a half a gallon at a time right there. And

1156
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:42,439
Speaker 1: he says, you know, he the shells are not there, says,

1157
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: you know, they're in that they're in that house right there.

1158
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 1: He's got them packed in there. What genders that squirrel

1159
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: he's got, it's a it's a great squirrel male female,

1160
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, I do not know. I

1161
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 1: feel like you ought to put another one in there there.

1162
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 1: It's like we might think about someone put you in

1163
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: a situation like that one another you know, man, he

1164
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: really had to do that. Uh. I had some big

1165
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 1: thought about this whole thing with Oh, I want to

1166
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 1: tell you this. We're hunting deer in Wisconsin not long ago,

1167
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: and also heard just this loud shrill shriek and a

1168
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,439
Speaker 1: squirrel going nuts too. At the same time. You could

1169
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: hear all this. There's a tree maybe up there's a

1170
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: crotch and tree with a cavity, and there's a mink

1171
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: and a squirrel fighting outside the tree. The whole the

1172
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: mink goes down in the hole, turns round, so his

1173
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 1: head's coming back out of the hole, and he's still

1174
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 1: fighting the squirrels trying to get into the hole. Eventually

1175
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,439
Speaker 1: squirrel just says screw it and goes off and gets

1176
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 1: on a limb and starts barking and carrying on. And

1177
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: that mink we wash up there on and off for

1178
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 1: two hours. If he had come out, we had to

1179
01:03:57,800 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: notice that never came out of that tree. I think

1180
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 1: he r in there and and uh, eat all them,

1181
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: eat all the young. That's exactly what I would say

1182
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 1: happened exactly. He went in there and ate him. Probably

1183
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: the highest of my life I've ever seen a manking

1184
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: a tree um going back to predators in a tree.

1185
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: I guess it was back this last year for two

1186
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: years ago there. I've got some mulberry trees out here.

1187
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: Kentucky used to have what they call the spring mulberry

1188
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 1: season to hunt squirrels when the mulberry trees become right

1189
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: to have a spring squirrel. We still have a spring

1190
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: squirrel season there. But I've got some mulberries here at

1191
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: the house, and I could hear a squirrel with that,

1192
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: given the the real shriek sound rent there. And I

1193
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: had a young squirrel doull ground here. I thought well,

1194
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 1: last take him down there, and it kind of showing

1195
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: him that something's going on on there, says, I don't

1196
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 1: know if they're breeding or want but but it's making

1197
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 1: some kind of strange noise. And I went down there

1198
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 1: and there was a snake that had a squirrel in

1199
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: the top of that probably twenty five ft up in

1200
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: the top of that mulberry, and was wrapped around him

1201
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: putting the construction. Tell him there, first time in my

1202
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 1: life I've ever seen that. It's pretty pretty neat, pretty neat.

1203
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: I tried to take a little video with my my phone,

1204
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: but it was too far away and couldn't get get

1205
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 1: any good. But it looked like to me probably some

1206
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:27,919
Speaker 1: type of of a rat snake, prairie king snakes, something

1207
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 1: of that name. Some kind of constructor there, some kind

1208
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: of black constructor there, Probably a king snake. I want

1209
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 1: to get into hunting the marsh rabbits, swamp rabbits. What

1210
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: kind of dog like, what's your dog for that? Well,

1211
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: I've got a little blue tick beagle um uh. And

1212
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 1: I also a little tri colored beagle there you know,

1213
01:05:53,760 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: um bagle ham. These swamp rabbits, I've always heard about him,

1214
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: but they lived down on the like they're down the

1215
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 1: low lowlands. We're hunting around the banks. We're hunting the

1216
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 1: banks of the Mississippi. In the bottoms, it's like some

1217
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 1: areas of sand mud, a lot of briers, and these

1218
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 1: things go down there. And one of the most peculiar

1219
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 1: things about them is they when they're huge, like you said,

1220
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 1: five pounds, they have the trine logs where they climb

1221
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 1: up and defecate on elevated stumps, whole bunches of it

1222
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 1: up there. Now, then you've heard it might have something

1223
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 1: to do with the territory territories what I've heard before.

1224
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 1: To go out and hunt them, they'd be like, I

1225
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 1: don't even know where to begin, because my whole life

1226
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 1: I hunting rabbits. We are just drive rabbits, push rabbits.

1227
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 1: You guys get lined up, depending on how thick the

1228
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 1: cover is, fifteen yards thirty yards apart, and you just

1229
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 1: push through a good rabbit cover and you get a

1230
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 1: couple of guys posted up on the opposite side, and

1231
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 1: you squirt the rabbits out and usually the guys posted

1232
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 1: up get shots as they come going by. But this

1233
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: you kind of line up and then you guys send

1234
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 1: all these packs of beagles in there, and once you

1235
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: kick up a rabbit, the beagles start trailing it, and

1236
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 1: the rabbit will go on a big loop or multiple

1237
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 1: loops and keep coming back around because he doesn't want

1238
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 1: to leave his familiar area, and he keeps coming around.

1239
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: And as you're listening to these things banging around, you

1240
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 1: eventually try to get where you can head it off.

1241
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 1: And in the case of the swamp rabbit, the rabbits

1242
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:48,439
Speaker 1: out a hundred yards ahead of the dog all the time. Yes,

1243
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 1: so when you see the dogs coming, it might be

1244
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 1: too late. It is too late. The rab might already

1245
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 1: be gone at last. In some occasions you get a

1246
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 1: rabbit that goes out there and just kind of squats

1247
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 1: down there. But I think I might have sold at

1248
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 1: a time or two to two today, but after I

1249
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 1: saw it too, But always after they've already been running

1250
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,919
Speaker 1: it forever. Yeah, I think one of the longest trails

1251
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,080
Speaker 1: I saw today's they pushed the rabbit out four hundred

1252
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: yards from us. It got out of ear shot. That

1253
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: was curious because you had that GPS color on that

1254
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:21,560
Speaker 1: dog and I was like, listen to it fade and

1255
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:23,599
Speaker 1: fade and fade, and fading, and I was wondering, like, well,

1256
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 1: how hell like in this thick cover, how far does

1257
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:32,480
Speaker 1: the dog's bart travel? And when it faded out of earshot,

1258
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 1: you held up four fingers to me and said, like

1259
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 1: there four yards out and it was a long time

1260
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 1: yet I appreciate you hear him coming back, coming back,

1261
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 1: coming back. We'veventually killed that rabbit. Yes, yeah, we had to.

1262
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 1: We had to push it back into the area. It's

1263
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: amazing to watch. By that time, we've kind of like

1264
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 1: almost it seemed like we we had to move up.

1265
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 1: We're jockeying in a position kind of maybe get like

1266
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 1: a half moon half circle. We came up I think

1267
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 1: three times only there before before we got that right

1268
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 1: back into the area, but no one got a crack

1269
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:11,759
Speaker 1: at him. And then he went back out and started

1270
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 1: cutting smaller circles, so we had to like move our Yeah,

1271
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 1: like imagine he's just going like a big spiral, like

1272
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 1: a traveling spiral, like a circle that moves around on

1273
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 1: a page, and we're always trying to go up and

1274
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 1: get But you gotta be quiet, extremely quiet with a

1275
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:29,640
Speaker 1: swamp rabbit, extremely because if he hears it, he's just

1276
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 1: gonna avoid you. Yes, yeah, yeah, that that they were

1277
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 1: short stop. And when I hung on there last year,

1278
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 1: I saw that they would get up there and do

1279
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,799
Speaker 1: those short circles and they'd be a group of people

1280
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 1: back and and I don't know if you had a

1281
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: chance to notice that, if some even someone that whispered

1282
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 1: trying to whisper, how that sound would carry that far?

1283
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 1: And uh, I had Chris with me as his You know,

1284
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,799
Speaker 1: Jason's coming through the weeds there, but you know, something

1285
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 1: crashing through there is a natural saying m but the

1286
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 1: briars and a brush hitting his corridora Chaps was a

1287
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:08,679
Speaker 1: man made sound. And when they hear the man made

1288
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 1: sound there, they just go other way. I never will

1289
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 1: forget that deer hunting one time, or deer shooting. I'm

1290
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 1: not a deer hunter. I'm a deer shooter that down

1291
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 1: at pause, climbed up in the tree stand and had

1292
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:27,639
Speaker 1: some cover roles on. I think I it got hot

1293
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 1: and I just didn't have room for him up to stand,

1294
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 1: and for some reason I just threw them down on

1295
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 1: the ground. Well I had a little prong horn, but

1296
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:39,599
Speaker 1: come up to those cover roles and smell of them there.

1297
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: Then I thought well, I need some meat for the freezer,

1298
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 1: I says, I'm like the last day of dear says,

1299
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go ahead and shoot him his books

1300
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,639
Speaker 1: young and timber. And as soon as I clicked, I mean,

1301
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:53,720
Speaker 1: he smelt of my cover rows. But as soon as

1302
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 1: I clicked that, just for some reason, I just did

1303
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 1: the man click on the safety instead of an easy saved.

1304
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 1: As soon as that that gun clicked, that deer knew

1305
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 1: that that was not a sound of the woods and

1306
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,759
Speaker 1: ran off. And that was one of the neatest things

1307
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 1: out in the woods. You know, he's snuggling up to

1308
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 1: your cover y. Yeah, I mean he's sitting there sniffing

1309
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:18,719
Speaker 1: of the cover roles I just had on. That didn't

1310
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 1: really bother him, But that metallic sound did. I have

1311
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:26,160
Speaker 1: that conversation all the time with people where I'd be like,

1312
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 1: everybody holds still. You know, we're gonna wear earth tones,

1313
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:33,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna wear camouflage. Everybody's gonna hold real still. People like,

1314
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 1: oh yeah, but I was at one time jogging and

1315
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 1: I had a red shirt and I ran right past

1316
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 1: the here. I'm like, that's great, I'm glad they happened

1317
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 1: to you. But like I said, we're gonna wear a camouflage.

1318
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 1: We're gonna still because you just don't know, Like you

1319
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 1: don't know what their deal is. Everyone of them is different,

1320
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 1: you know. The rabbid thing. I found that my experience

1321
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 1: doing rabbit drives, and we spent tons of time doing

1322
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 1: rabbit drives, this one thing is getting a sense of

1323
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:04,600
Speaker 1: how the rabbit is gonna travel and then being cognizant

1324
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 1: of your shooting lanes. I found beneficial today very much,

1325
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:14,600
Speaker 1: very much like you're always like you're always jockeying, and

1326
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,599
Speaker 1: you were encouraged me in that direction too. You're always

1327
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 1: jockeying to be like once the first spot I walked into,

1328
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 1: you told me there's no point being here. Yeah, you

1329
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:29,759
Speaker 1: can't see anything because you need to see you Ideally,

1330
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 1: you want to get where you're seeing forty yards through

1331
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 1: a little lane so that when the dogs run that

1332
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 1: thing through, you got a chance to look at it.

1333
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 1: Because it's not gonna be like a long time. You're

1334
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 1: gonna have a narrow, narrow window, you know, into a

1335
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 1: three foot of elevation makes a big difference. You know.

1336
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 1: I actually saw somebody in the deer standarday trying to

1337
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 1: see what was going on, and that really and I

1338
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 1: killed and I actually killed a contentail the other day

1339
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 1: when Jayson and I we're hunting there. I got that

1340
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 1: twelve fourteen feet in the air, saw the rabbit coming,

1341
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 1: it comes by, you know, and getting that everybody else

1342
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: on the ground, and you know, you get advantage. And

1343
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,400
Speaker 1: just sometimes two or three foot standing on the stump

1344
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,479
Speaker 1: a lot of times will give you a little bit

1345
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 1: of an age out there. And you want your field

1346
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:16,720
Speaker 1: evasion out to you know, if it's a big tree

1347
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 1: right there in front, try to move maneuver up and

1348
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 1: get in front of that tree and get a little

1349
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 1: height advantage there where you can say because if you

1350
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:24,800
Speaker 1: if you have no if it's all a thick cover,

1351
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 1: you have no chance of you know, get the shot.

1352
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 1: Seeing what's coming out there, and it doesn't take much

1353
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 1: to hide those rabbits now now talking in feet, not

1354
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 1: really in yards. Once they get to that fifteen twenty ftmark,

1355
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, just like the smallest little bit

1356
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 1: of briar lee for something, they stopped and you're like,

1357
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 1: where do you go? Where do you go? I was

1358
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:48,719
Speaker 1: standing next to two They are gonna name any names now,

1359
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:51,800
Speaker 1: but two guys where I'm like, there's a rabbit coming.

1360
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 1: There's a rabbit coming. See him coming right at you

1361
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 1: at twelve o'clock, and I mean, he's just hopping along

1362
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:00,680
Speaker 1: reel slow. But the guys were just weren't picking him up, know,

1363
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 1: out of that dear stand. That was interesting because you're right. Also,

1364
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 1: I got little elevation. I could see a rabbit at

1365
01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 1: it like two yards. And imagine you put down your

1366
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 1: three middle fingers down on the table, and I'm looking

1367
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 1: down kind of your middle finger, which is like this

1368
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 1: thick but small tree, you know, brush kind of cover,

1369
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:26,759
Speaker 1: and there's two open lanes being your other two outside fingers,

1370
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 1: and I sent three hunters. One of them kind of

1371
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 1: is close hugging your middle finger, and then the other

1372
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 1: the other hundred the other two hunters are each taking

1373
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 1: those open lanes and just kind of working towards the

1374
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:42,679
Speaker 1: main forest out away from me where I saw this rabbit.

1375
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 1: They worked through there. They wait a while. The dogs

1376
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:48,320
Speaker 1: were doing a circle on another you know, rabbit somewhere

1377
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 1: off in the distance. They wait, wait, wait, ten or

1378
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:53,720
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes goes by, no rabbit. They don't kick up

1379
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 1: the rabbit. They move on out of sight. You know,

1380
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 1: this is two hundred yards away from me, not ten

1381
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:02,639
Speaker 1: minutes later, right down my middle finger coming right at

1382
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:05,680
Speaker 1: me through that you know, rough rush. Here comes a

1383
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:09,639
Speaker 1: swamp rabbit. Maybe not the same rabbit, but I mean

1384
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 1: right with These three hunters have just rocked through, and

1385
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:15,480
Speaker 1: here he comes, just slipping through. Yeah, they're super sneaky.

1386
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 1: It's one of the more you know, I've done all

1387
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 1: kinds of hunting. It's one of the more exciting things

1388
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 1: is when those dogs get on the track, and it's

1389
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 1: not exciting right away because you know it's gonna be

1390
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:29,599
Speaker 1: a long ass time until they bring it back around.

1391
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 1: So when they first take off, you can just sit

1392
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 1: there b s because it's like nothing to get that

1393
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 1: excited about. But eventually they'll bark way the hell out.

1394
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 1: They get a couple hundred yards out, you'll kind of

1395
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 1: hear them come back. Then everyone will be like, okay,

1396
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 1: we better get serious. And you fan out and you

1397
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 1: get where you got a little lane, maybe two lanes,

1398
01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: you can actually see what's going on down in the swamp,

1399
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 1: and you hear those dogs coming. You know he's out

1400
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,599
Speaker 1: ahead of them. Is one of the most exciting hunting

1401
01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: moments there is, Man, I had a great time, you know,

1402
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 1: you know, I get excited out there and like should

1403
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 1: you hear a pack of those bagels and they go

1404
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 1: off and then you look at your GPS and are

1405
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 1: starting to come back, and you know, and then you

1406
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 1: they get louder as I come, louder as I come.

1407
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 1: Not to get a smile on your face. A lot

1408
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:18,719
Speaker 1: of times, little buggers. I don't call them many things

1409
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 1: cute in this world, but those little buggers have just

1410
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 1: a smidgeing of cuteness. And they're just coming through their

1411
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 1: their tails. Because I asked Jason about this, Why don't

1412
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 1: because they're all those tails are bleeding. Oh yeah, And

1413
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 1: I thought, well, man, just dock them, you know. He said,

1414
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 1: oh no, I gotta see those tails wagon. Oh yeah,

1415
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 1: Like you have a dozen of those little dogs. They're

1416
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 1: having the best tip. They have more fun than anybody

1417
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 1: you have does, those little dogs. And they're just like

1418
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 1: little like vacuums, man, and noise they make and they're

1419
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 1: coming to and they all got blood coming off the

1420
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 1: end of their tails and they are just fired up,

1421
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 1: having the time of their life. And it's like nothing's

1422
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:55,599
Speaker 1: gonna escape their notice. Man, it's just amazing to watch,

1423
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 1: if you know, you know how Adam and we are

1424
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:01,639
Speaker 1: to him after we kill the rabbit, to show those

1425
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 1: dogs that we've got the rabbit, because some of them

1426
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:06,599
Speaker 1: keep going. You know, they just that's their heart. They

1427
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 1: just that's what they're made to do, is to run

1428
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:10,600
Speaker 1: a rabbit. And if you do not show some of

1429
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:12,760
Speaker 1: them right there, they keep on looking for that that

1430
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:15,479
Speaker 1: rabbit out there. That was another thing I enjoyed quite

1431
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 1: a bit. As they'd run a rabbit and like you said,

1432
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:21,760
Speaker 1: the rabbits hundred yards out ahead of the dogs. You

1433
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:25,840
Speaker 1: shoot the rabbit, go over, pick the rabbit up, talk

1434
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 1: about the rabbit for couple myths, and meanwhile the whole

1435
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 1: time er er er er, and eventually they run that

1436
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 1: rabbit right up to where you're standing. And then they're

1437
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:37,600
Speaker 1: all like, hey, you got it, you know, and you

1438
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 1: show them all the rabbit. What was interesting about that

1439
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 1: is that, you know, speaking of like your scroll dolls

1440
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 1: having that sighting ability, those beagles they don't see that

1441
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:51,880
Speaker 1: dead rabbit until their nose touches it. You know, some

1442
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 1: of them, you just kind of got it. Yeah, you know,

1443
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 1: they're they're so intent on that track that scent on

1444
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:00,680
Speaker 1: the ground. Are you just gotta really get some of them,

1445
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 1: you know, and say hey there here, you know, wagon,

1446
01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 1: let it smack him in there to get him to

1447
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 1: do it there. And then after they get it, you know,

1448
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 1: we had a couple of them that are pretty intent

1449
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 1: on getting hold of the dead rabbit. You know. Sometimes

1450
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 1: some of them they don't after they see it right there,

1451
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 1: they don't care. They know it's dead there. But there's

1452
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 1: but we got two or three in there that are

1453
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:20,639
Speaker 1: you know, they're being there hanging on. You gotta watch

1454
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 1: it or they're gonna be stripping all the hides and

1455
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 1: stuff off the rabbit. You're interesting, I noticed, is you

1456
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 1: gotta dogs, but you bad to that when you get

1457
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:34,080
Speaker 1: a squirrel, butch you bad. Till likes to eat the

1458
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 1: head right off the sir, he'll eat it right off.

1459
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 1: I don't you know. It's just something that that he does.

1460
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 1: That that he knows that, you know, twenty two heads

1461
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 1: shot there and and he eats it off and usually

1462
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:47,600
Speaker 1: nine times at then he stops right there, you know,

1463
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 1: And that's that's all he wants, is the heat does

1464
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 1: he want? He'll may eat five or six of them

1465
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:56,600
Speaker 1: out there. This is incredible to me, just chomps the

1466
01:18:56,640 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 1: head up, hiding everything, teeth and all up, chop. He

1467
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:03,639
Speaker 1: was passed out. It doesn't even he doesn't even make

1468
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 1: like a weird turn. He doesn't. What's your what do

1469
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 1: you like? Eating the most out of squirrels and rabbits

1470
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 1: and like swamp rabbit regular eastern cotton tails for personally squirrels.

1471
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 1: The squirrel, uh is the most mildest meat out there.

1472
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 1: You know, they eat the nuts all the time and there,

1473
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 1: and to me it is the mildest taste of meat.

1474
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 1: And I think, like we've had the conversation under I

1475
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 1: don't know anybody that I haven't prepared any for that

1476
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 1: didn't say, hey, this was really really good meat. I

1477
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 1: used to take it to we had church potluck dinners

1478
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 1: take it. They're people would would starrow the nose finally

1479
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 1: kind of shame them into not eating something, and after

1480
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 1: they ate it said hey, this is really good. And

1481
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 1: then the next time we have a meeting or pot

1482
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:56,719
Speaker 1: luck or something, you didn't bring it. So why didn't

1483
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 1: you fix any squirrel this morning? So you know, I

1484
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 1: just didn't have time to do at But I've converted

1485
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 1: a lot of people that thought squirrel was just a

1486
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:07,639
Speaker 1: rodent or whatever out there that there was not fifty two.

1487
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,760
Speaker 1: It's a very good source of protein. What are some

1488
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 1: of your favorite way? If you had to rattle off,

1489
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 1: like a half dozen favorite ways to fix squirrel, what

1490
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 1: would you say? You know, the chicken fried, squirreld baked

1491
01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 1: squirrel in the oven is the easiest way, you know,

1492
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 1: quartered up, put it in a a cooking pan. Put

1493
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 1: your favorite type of season, whether it's tony satuaries, lemon pepper.

1494
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 1: I made a whole bunch of lemon pepper one time

1495
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 1: and put a put a It was like when you

1496
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 1: know when these great big aluminum pans to to the

1497
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 1: a good old boy function there and put lemon pepper

1498
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 1: over it with a few tabs of butter in there,

1499
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 1: low and slow on the oven two twenty five for

1500
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 1: about two to three. IROs kind of depends on your oven.

1501
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 1: In the in the mount of squirrel, you have the

1502
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:54,640
Speaker 1: meat just falls right off the bomb. I mean you

1503
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 1: can just suck the meat right off the bone there.

1504
01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:01,720
Speaker 1: That is the easiest way. Uh. Squirreling dumplings, that's the one.

1505
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 1: I just to clarify, though, no liquid in that pan.

1506
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 1: No liquid, the raw meat, put some butter in air

1507
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 1: covered with foil through the oven. Three I or there.

1508
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 1: Four if you kill a bunch of two year old bucks,

1509
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, maybe a little bit longer, a little bit

1510
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 1: less their easy, easy, easy easy. My favorite that you've

1511
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 1: made you made squirrel a bunch of ways for us

1512
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:29,720
Speaker 1: or the last few days is the dump like the

1513
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 1: dumplings your mom made, well, she does them in the

1514
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:36,800
Speaker 1: squirrel broth. Ye, she'll put up. I had taken her

1515
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:39,639
Speaker 1: several squirrels up there before you guys came and asked

1516
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:42,600
Speaker 1: her to make me some some squirreling dumplings, which she

1517
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 1: favors for there. She makes a broth with the squirrel meat,

1518
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 1: takes the squirrels out, picks the meat off the bones,

1519
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:53,679
Speaker 1: then takes the broth, makes her dumplings, drops her dumplings

1520
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 1: into the bowling broth, and that cooks. The cooks the dumplings,

1521
01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:00,080
Speaker 1: the dumps the squirrel meat back in there, and it's

1522
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 1: just like almost melts in your mouth. No, it's ridiculous.

1523
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:07,599
Speaker 1: You make squirrel chowder. Squirrel chowder is is another another

1524
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 1: very very good uh recipe. Um Kentucky burgoo burg oo.

1525
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:19,680
Speaker 1: Another one of my favorites we didn't get to do

1526
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:26,720
Speaker 1: is a squirrel on a open charcoal uh, really like

1527
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 1: a cold fire over over a grill, and keep them basted.

1528
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:36,679
Speaker 1: Make up a a sauce of one gallon vinengor um,

1529
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 1: a pound of lard, uh, two sticks of butter, and

1530
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 1: a can of like Texas pete or or glass bottle

1531
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 1: Texas pete or or whatever kind your uncle Frank's hot sauce.

1532
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:50,800
Speaker 1: Frank's hot sauce. Mix that up and keep those squirrels

1533
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:54,200
Speaker 1: basted in that. And and that's yeah, to keep them basic,

1534
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 1: keep them from drying out. It's a little bit takes

1535
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 1: a little bit. It's a little bit of time to

1536
01:22:58,200 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 1: do that, but you know, you're setting out with your

1537
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 1: eyes and it's a good good way. You don't drink

1538
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 1: a beer or whatever. Sit out there and cook that.

1539
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 1: And it's that is excellent. That is really good. I've

1540
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:12,080
Speaker 1: had good luck grilling squirrel by take the squirrel cutting

1541
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 1: five pieces. It's got four legs the back. Now these

1542
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 1: are home squirrel, So that do that away home squirrel,

1543
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:20,840
Speaker 1: the hole squirrel, keep them based down, big fox squirrel

1544
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:23,200
Speaker 1: comes out really good. That a way too, And that's

1545
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 1: apple cider vinegar, not not white bitter. You're cooking them

1546
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:30,800
Speaker 1: only till they're done. Yes, yeah, so it's done them.

1547
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 1: You can kind of stick a fork in them, and

1548
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 1: you know when it goes penetrate, you know that they're

1549
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:41,560
Speaker 1: they're done. I've done, retake a bunch of garlic in

1550
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 1: time leaves and mashing the mortar and pestle, just pulp it.

1551
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:49,600
Speaker 1: They put salt in there and then olive oil and

1552
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 1: some lemon stir it up, and I marinade the squirrel

1553
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:57,680
Speaker 1: pieces there. But I got ahead of myself before I

1554
01:23:57,720 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 1: do that. I take the squirrel and put on the

1555
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:01,719
Speaker 1: cutting board all the pieces and take a meat fork,

1556
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:05,439
Speaker 1: like a sharp time fork, and poke it a bunch

1557
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 1: of times all over, so the marinade gets in there

1558
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:14,599
Speaker 1: better then a marinade that eight hours or overnight. Then

1559
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:16,600
Speaker 1: I do them by my grill, just two done, not

1560
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:19,759
Speaker 1: like trying to slow. Was grill them on medium heat,

1561
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 1: too done, and they just get where he started a

1562
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 1: chart A little bit, just like if you're grilling chicken,

1563
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 1: like a little bit of char on there is very good,

1564
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:32,719
Speaker 1: but you marinade for the night. I know a friend, uh,

1565
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 1: he had an elderly gentleman that's friend of him. And

1566
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 1: I don't know where the wrist bee comes from. But

1567
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:39,280
Speaker 1: he used to like to take a host squirrel, he said,

1568
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:43,240
Speaker 1: and keep the ribs on it, dress it out and

1569
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:46,640
Speaker 1: make a dressing and put it into the cavity and

1570
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 1: then take a needle and thread and sew it back up.

1571
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 1: I need to go probably see him do that sometime.

1572
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 1: But he just he just went wild over that. But

1573
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:57,680
Speaker 1: he made some kind of dressing stuff squirrel and took

1574
01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 1: a took you know, you know, I took a needle, thread,

1575
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 1: sold it up in that cavity there and baked him

1576
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 1: into heaven. So that that sounds something that we probably

1577
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:08,519
Speaker 1: ought to try sometimes. Yeah, that's interesting. Many have a

1578
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 1: nice visual appeal, Yeah, including thoughts. If you're not hunting squirrels,

1579
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 1: you are missing out. Yeah, I think you're stupid. You're stupid.

1580
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 1: If you don't want squirrels, I think you're messed up

1581
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:26,839
Speaker 1: in the head. I mean, look not to nothing against

1582
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:29,680
Speaker 1: Wisconsin white til deer hunting, but we took Helen and

1583
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:31,640
Speaker 1: Brittany out there a couple of weeks ago. They had

1584
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 1: a blast deer hunting. They learned a lot but they're

1585
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 1: cooked on squirrel two days of squirrel hunting. I mean

1586
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:40,080
Speaker 1: they wanted more and more and more and more of it. Yeah,

1587
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 1: they loved it. It trained you to be a good

1588
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:45,120
Speaker 1: woodspin town. You know. When I met you, you know

1589
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 1: what what I think one of my my points of

1590
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:50,639
Speaker 1: that said, I said, you know, I said, you're doing

1591
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:54,320
Speaker 1: the outdoor shows out there, says you know, not very

1592
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 1: many kids can go out and go on al khunt

1593
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 1: or something out west there if you can go on

1594
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 1: deer count. But I said, just about every kid can

1595
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 1: go out of his back door and go squirrel hunting

1596
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 1: with a limited amount of equipment. Yeah, for more months

1597
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 1: out of the year than you can't, right, And and

1598
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 1: that's probably one reason why I'm like a squirrel hunter,

1599
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 1: because I can't hunt. You know, I hunt a little

1600
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 1: bit when the leads around with my dollars, getting them

1601
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 1: in shape, training them up. It's pretty difficult. You might

1602
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:22,719
Speaker 1: get one out of ten. But I'm out there hunting.

1603
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 1: But then I've got December, January. In February got almost

1604
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:31,760
Speaker 1: ninety days of squirrel hunting, and most of the Midwest,

1605
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:34,400
Speaker 1: well Montana, there's you know, you hunt them. There's someplace

1606
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 1: you hut them a year ound and most of the

1607
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:38,800
Speaker 1: Midwest you start hunting him in September. You can hunt

1608
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 1: him September, October, November, December, January, off in February. Some

1609
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:48,200
Speaker 1: states have an early season, and then they opened the

1610
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 1: thing up for six months later on. And then, like

1611
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:53,920
Speaker 1: we said yesterday, you can tie it into whatever. If

1612
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 1: you're a big game hunter, uh, bear, deer, whatever is

1613
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:01,519
Speaker 1: out there, you can say, what's going on with those guys? After?

1614
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:04,599
Speaker 1: How many buck scrapes we find? Man? I lost track

1615
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:07,839
Speaker 1: probably at thirty? How many scrapes we found hunting squirrels?

1616
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 1: Did you see some of those giant rubs that we

1617
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:17,800
Speaker 1: saw today? We found cops found two turtle shells, found

1618
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 1: two turtle shells, found, a drop, anler found. I don't

1619
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 1: know how many buck scrapes we can find, all guys

1620
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 1: junk on the woods, tracks all over the place. What's

1621
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 1: your concluding thought? Take a kid squirlhead first, ganchi yet

1622
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 1: make a hunter out having or her or her that's great.

1623
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:43,479
Speaker 1: And we had a we had a young lady with

1624
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 1: us today got her first swamp rabbit. Oh yeah, so

1625
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 1: that was that was congratulations. Cover all shot with that

1626
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 1: pistol then really showed a shotgun. Uh. You know another

1627
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:58,320
Speaker 1: tidbit today when we was hunting, we didn't get to

1628
01:27:58,360 --> 01:28:00,160
Speaker 1: see it, but the other guys did get to say.

1629
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:03,280
Speaker 1: It is that that a county packed in with the

1630
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:06,040
Speaker 1: with the bagel hands. We were still don't know for

1631
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 1: sure if the county was was chasing the dogs. They

1632
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:11,680
Speaker 1: said he was barking on track, or if he was

1633
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:15,040
Speaker 1: helping him chase the rabbit there. So that would be

1634
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 1: another thing to be very interesting thing to say when

1635
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 1: you're out in the woods. Oh, speaking of Western gray squirrels,

1636
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 1: you guys got your You guys got to California Hunt

1637
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 1: Eat shirt coming out? Yes, how long until now? It's

1638
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 1: gonna be after the holidays. I would check on the website.

1639
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:40,200
Speaker 1: January one skinny's out. Yeah, we at Wisconsin, p A, Pennsylvania.

1640
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 1: It will also be out first of the year. The

1641
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 1: skinny one's got one on it. It's the UH. I

1642
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:49,519
Speaker 1: don't want to it's not old. I think it's the

1643
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 1: It might be actually the retro UH state stamp, the

1644
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:57,120
Speaker 1: official state stamp that we converted into a hunt to

1645
01:28:57,160 --> 01:29:00,680
Speaker 1: Eat T shirt, and California's got wildhog on it. The

1646
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:06,040
Speaker 1: last doll sheep. Pa has got a white tailed deer. Man.

1647
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:09,439
Speaker 1: You need to do Kentucky with a small game theme,

1648
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 1: swamp rabbit the squirrel. Well, I've got a small game

1649
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 1: themed Sure it's not stay affiliated in the works as well. Good.

1650
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 1: My concluding thought would be, I am so glad that

1651
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:32,200
Speaker 1: when I was young we had that we could hunt

1652
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 1: squirrels right out of our house, because it just learns

1653
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 1: you to, like teach you how to go out in

1654
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:42,720
Speaker 1: the woods and read sign yes, and you get a

1655
01:29:42,840 --> 01:29:47,040
Speaker 1: lot of shooting, and you just learn one of your

1656
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 1: one of those old timers you had out there today.

1657
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:52,760
Speaker 1: You guys are talking, you're saying, like, go sit in

1658
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 1: the woods, in the world will come to you. That

1659
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:58,600
Speaker 1: was that was one of the the old timers that

1660
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 1: did lots and lots of hunting. And that's one thing

1661
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 1: he told me. He said, you just get out there

1662
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:05,720
Speaker 1: and said in the woods in the world will come

1663
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 1: to you. Be patient. Another thing he said about the

1664
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:11,439
Speaker 1: coyote falling in with that pack of eagles, as he says,

1665
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:13,599
Speaker 1: you know, you go out in the field long enough,

1666
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 1: it's amazing what you're gonna see. It's not all about

1667
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:20,479
Speaker 1: taking game, you know. There's sometimes out there you just

1668
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:24,720
Speaker 1: see things that just amaze you. And we've all seen that,

1669
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 1: and it is just another ding dong sunrise. Well, God,

1670
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:34,360
Speaker 1: save a chicken, eat a squirrel, alright, anyone have any

1671
01:30:34,439 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 1: last thing to say Enjorge our hunting, Yes, sir, it

1672
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:40,519
Speaker 1: was a pleasure, Kevin, thanks for having us, all right,

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Speaker 1: signing off,