WEBVTT - The Sightseeing Flight and the Invisible Mountain

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin Air New Zealand Flight nine oh one is flying

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<v Speaker 1>straight towards a mountain. Two hundred and fifty seven people

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<v Speaker 1>are on board, most of them sipping champagne and hearing

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<v Speaker 1>eagerly out of the windows. It's November nineteen seventy nine.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a sightseeing trip to Antarctica. They took off

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<v Speaker 1>from New Zealand this morning. They'll enjoy some views of

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<v Speaker 1>spectacular icy landscapes. If it's not too cloudy, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>then they'll loop around and land back in New Zealand

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<v Speaker 1>in time for dinner. Captain Jim Collins talks to the passengers.

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<v Speaker 2>The cloud cover in the McMurdo area has.

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<v Speaker 1>Increased, although ground.

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<v Speaker 2>Visibility is good. We will be taking advantage of the

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<v Speaker 2>raidar facilities at McMurdo for letdown, which should take us

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<v Speaker 2>below the cloud and give us a view of the

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<v Speaker 2>McMurdo area.

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<v Speaker 1>McMurdo the McMurdo Sound, an inlet between mainland Antarctica and

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<v Speaker 1>Ross Island. There's an American research base at McMurdo with

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<v Speaker 1>a small airstrip on the ice. Captain Collins calls them

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<v Speaker 1>on the radio to check there are no other planes around.

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<v Speaker 1>They assume they'll see him soon flying low over the inlet.

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<v Speaker 1>But Captain Collins isn't flying towards the water of McMurdo Sound.

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<v Speaker 1>He's flying towards a mountain, a twelve thousand foot active

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<v Speaker 1>volcano to be exact. Also in the cockpriit is famed

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<v Speaker 1>and Arctic explorer Peter Mulgrew. He's there to entertain the passengers,

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<v Speaker 1>telling stories and pointing out landmarks.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Peter Mulgrew again, folks.

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<v Speaker 2>I still can't see very much at the moment. Keep

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<v Speaker 2>you informed as soon as I see something that gives

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<v Speaker 2>me a clue.

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<v Speaker 1>As to where we are. Peter Mulgrew can't see where

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<v Speaker 1>they are as Collins takes the plane down to a

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<v Speaker 1>gap in the cloud. But a display in the cockpit

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<v Speaker 1>should tell them where they are. It shows their distance

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<v Speaker 1>to the next pre programmed waypoint in their computerized flight path.

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<v Speaker 1>That morning, the crew got a print out of the

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<v Speaker 1>coordinates for those waypoints, which they manually entered into the

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<v Speaker 1>plane's navigation system. The flight engineer wants to check something.

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<v Speaker 3>Where's Erebus in relation to us at the moment?

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<v Speaker 1>To the left, He's told Erebus that's the twelve thousand

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<v Speaker 1>foot volcano.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just thinking of any high ground in the area,

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<v Speaker 3>that's all.

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<v Speaker 1>But Mount Erebus isn't to their left, it's straight in

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<v Speaker 1>front of them. Captain Collins keeps descending to fifteen hundred feet.

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<v Speaker 1>The old Antarctic hand Peter Mulgrew, peering through the window,

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<v Speaker 1>sees enough to get his bearings, or so he thinks.

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<v Speaker 3>Ross Island.

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<v Speaker 1>Eh, they've now lost radio contact with the Americans at McMurdo.

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<v Speaker 1>The flight engineer is feeling uneasy.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like this.

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<v Speaker 1>Captain Collins also seems to sense that something isn't right.

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<v Speaker 4>We're twenty six miles north. We'll have to climb out

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<v Speaker 4>of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty six miles north. That'll be north of the next

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<v Speaker 1>pre programmed waypoint. We'll come back to that, climb out

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<v Speaker 1>of this. We'll come back to that too. The dialogue

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<v Speaker 1>in this cockpit recording will be bitterly debated. But now

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<v Speaker 1>the ground proximity alert is going off. Wood woop, pull up,

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<v Speaker 1>wood whoop, pull up.

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<v Speaker 3>Five hundred food.

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<v Speaker 1>They shouldn't be that low. Maybe it's a false alarm

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred food. Anyway, there's a routine procedure when this alert,

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<v Speaker 1>goes off, boost the engine power and climb. Captain Collins

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't sound concerned.

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<v Speaker 4>Go around power please wood whoop, pull up.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Tim Harford and you're listening to cautionary tales. When

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Collins put his name forward for a sightseeing flight

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<v Speaker 1>to Antarctica, it was more in hope than expectation. Collins

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<v Speaker 1>was experienced and respected by his colleagues. He was cautious, methodical,

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<v Speaker 1>always taking notes, but aged just forty five, he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>one of the top guys, the senior pilots who were

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<v Speaker 1>also company executives. When Air New Zealand started their sightseeing flights,

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<v Speaker 1>the executive pilots called dibbs. They wanted to see Antarctica too.

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<v Speaker 1>But now the flights had been running for a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years, ordinary pilots were also getting a turn. Collins

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<v Speaker 1>was thrilled to see his name on the roster. The

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<v Speaker 1>evening before the flight, he sat at home with a

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<v Speaker 1>big map, drawing lines and pointing things out to his

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<v Speaker 1>teenage daughters. In the morning, Colin's wife, Maria waved him

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<v Speaker 1>off with a reminder of her call at the shop

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<v Speaker 1>on the way home. Don't forget the fish, but The

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<v Speaker 1>early evening brought a phone call from Air New Zealand.

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<v Speaker 1>We're just a bit concerned about Jim's flight. We haven't

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<v Speaker 1>heard from him for a while. Are you on your own?

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<v Speaker 4>Will the cutter here?

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<v Speaker 1>Have you got another adult there with you? No, might

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<v Speaker 1>be an idea in that moment, said Maria Collins. Later

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<v Speaker 1>she was struck by cold. At nine o'clock, the television

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<v Speaker 1>news led with the missing plane. By now it would

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<v Speaker 1>be out of fuel. Wherever it was, it wasn't still flying.

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<v Speaker 1>In the early hours of the morning, another phone call

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<v Speaker 1>the Americans had spotted what remained of the plane smudged

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<v Speaker 1>across the frozen slopes of Mount Erebus. Police from New

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<v Speaker 1>Zealand were flown out to help with the cleanup. They

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<v Speaker 1>had no specialist training or experience of Antarctica. One had

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<v Speaker 1>never even seen snow, he recalled.

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<v Speaker 3>My senses were overloaded. All the bodies in the wreckage

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<v Speaker 3>an overpowering smell of kerosene. I almost fell through thin

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<v Speaker 3>ice into a crevise.

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<v Speaker 1>Strewn across the snow or champagne, bodies and money and

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<v Speaker 1>cameras and people's diaries. The policeman couldn't resist taking a

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<v Speaker 1>peek inside.

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<v Speaker 3>One described the trip so far and how beautiful the

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<v Speaker 3>Antarctic was. The last words in the diary were jee,

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<v Speaker 3>it's great to be alive.

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<v Speaker 1>The policeman finds Captain Collins's body and nearby his ringbinder.

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<v Speaker 1>He looks inside that too. It's intact, and the pages

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<v Speaker 1>are filled with what looked like briefing notes. It might

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<v Speaker 1>be important. He carefully seals it in a bag. Jim

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<v Speaker 1>had friends among the executive pilots the company men. Collins

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<v Speaker 1>noticed that when they called on her, they started saying

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<v Speaker 1>things like, of course Jim was too low, or it

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<v Speaker 1>was so unlike Jim to contravene any regulations. Maria says, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Gained the impression that they were trying to break it

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<v Speaker 3>to me gently, that Jim would be hill to blame.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they stopped calling at all. One spelled it out

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<v Speaker 1>as he stood in her doorway, Maria, I won't be

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<v Speaker 1>able to see you anymore. I've got to be with

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<v Speaker 1>the company. Jim had been a groomsman at his wedding,

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<v Speaker 1>but not all of Jim's mentors deserted him. One senior pilot,

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<v Speaker 1>who taught Jim to fly, told Maria.

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<v Speaker 3>This isn't Jim, Maria, this is not Jim's behavior. Something's wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to find out.

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<v Speaker 1>Just as Maria Collins had feared. When the Chief Inspector

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<v Speaker 1>of Air Accidents published his investigation report, it left no

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<v Speaker 1>doubt that Jim was to blame. He had contravened the

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<v Speaker 1>regulations flying well below the minimum safe altitude of sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>thousand feet, and he had done so when the visibility

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<v Speaker 1>obviously wasn't good. You could tell that from the transcript

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<v Speaker 1>of the cockpit voice recording. It was damning. We heard

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<v Speaker 1>some of it earlier. Antarctic expert Peter mulgrew, not having

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<v Speaker 1>a clue where they were. At one point, just two

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<v Speaker 1>minutes before impact, a voice says, a bit thick here, Ahbert,

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<v Speaker 1>a bit thick. They must be referring to cloud right.

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<v Speaker 1>The report also mentioned some sort of error with the

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<v Speaker 1>waypoint coordinates, but that had been fixed before Colin's flight,

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<v Speaker 1>and anyway, it didn't matter. If Collins had kept to

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<v Speaker 1>the minimums safe altitude, he wouldn't have crashed, simple as that. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>a disaster this big couldn't be left to the Chief

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<v Speaker 1>Inspector of Air Accidents. There need to be a proper

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<v Speaker 1>formal inquiry with evidence given in public. The government appointed

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<v Speaker 1>a Judge Peter Marn to conduct a Royal commission, with

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<v Speaker 1>technical advice from a distinguished Air Marshal. Marn was no fool.

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<v Speaker 1>He understood that the Chief Inspector's report was convenient for

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<v Speaker 1>the government. Air New Zealand was state owned. If the

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<v Speaker 1>company had screwed up, the government could face expensive claims

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<v Speaker 1>for compensation. But if the pilot's screwed up insurance would

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<v Speaker 1>fit the bill. Marn knew the government hoped hid back

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<v Speaker 1>up the report, and the report did seem convincing. Marn

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<v Speaker 1>later recalled.

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<v Speaker 4>I presumed that after testing the evidence at first hand,

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<v Speaker 4>I would see no difficulty in confirming the Chief Inspector's opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>Still, though, if Jim Collins had known his flight path

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<v Speaker 1>took him straight towards a twelve thousand foot volcano, why

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<v Speaker 1>was he flying at fifteen hundred feet. Maybe it had

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<v Speaker 1>to do with that error in the waypoint coordinates.

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<v Speaker 4>Marn recalls, I had the impression that there might be

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<v Speaker 4>a great deal more to this than was admitted on

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<v Speaker 4>the surface.

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<v Speaker 1>There was cautionary tales will be back after the break

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<v Speaker 1>on a normal flight that goes from A to B.

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<v Speaker 1>Your final waypoint is obvious. It's the destination airport that

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<v Speaker 1>air New Zealand sight seeing flights weren't going to land

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<v Speaker 1>in Antarctica. They were going to see some sights then

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<v Speaker 1>fly back home. So what to choose is the final

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<v Speaker 1>waypoint for their computerized flight path. In a way, it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't matter if visibility was good, they'd just fly around

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<v Speaker 1>for a bit. But the computer needed a waypoint, so

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<v Speaker 1>they picked a radio beacon near the American base at McMurdo.

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<v Speaker 1>It seemed as good a choice as any. Actually it

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<v Speaker 1>was stupid. It meant the flight path went right over

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<v Speaker 1>an active volcano, Mount Erebus. Even stupider when Erebus was

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<v Speaker 1>between the plane and the base, the Americans wouldn't see

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<v Speaker 1>the plane on their radar, and you'd struggle to get

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<v Speaker 1>a connection on the radio. Then the flight path stored

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<v Speaker 1>in the company's computer was changed with a new waypoint

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five miles west, near the end of McMurdo Sound.

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<v Speaker 1>This was much more sensible. Now the flight path took

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<v Speaker 1>you over open water. For over a year, pilots of

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<v Speaker 1>the Antarctic flights got printouts with these sensible new coordinates.

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<v Speaker 1>But the night before Jim Collins flight, the final waypoint

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<v Speaker 1>was shifted back again, back over Mount Erebus, and nobody

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<v Speaker 1>told Jim Collins. The public hearings in Peter Mah's courtroom

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<v Speaker 1>began in July nineteen eighty seven, months after the air

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<v Speaker 1>New Zealand's lawyers told Man that the waypoint change was

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<v Speaker 1>irrelevant for two reasons. The first reason, they said, is

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<v Speaker 1>that Jim Collins would have been briefed that his flight

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<v Speaker 1>path went over Mount Erebus. You see, it might have

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<v Speaker 1>looked like a sensible decision to change the flight path

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<v Speaker 1>to over McMurdo Sound, but it wasn't. In fact, it

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<v Speaker 1>was a mistake, a typographical error when the coordinates got

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<v Speaker 1>transferred to a new computer system for over a year,

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<v Speaker 1>the airline said nobody noticed that mistake. The officer who

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<v Speaker 1>briefed the pilots told Peter marn that he always believed

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<v Speaker 1>the flight path went over Mount Erebus. The executive pilots

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<v Speaker 1>agreed nobody had ever noticed that the waypoint coordinates took

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<v Speaker 1>them over McMurdo Sound instead. Then Peter Mahn heard from

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<v Speaker 1>the non executive pilots who told a very different story.

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<v Speaker 1>They all said they had been briefed to fly down

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<v Speaker 1>McMurdo Sound. This all gave Peter Marn a problem. He

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<v Speaker 1>put it in diplomatic language.

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<v Speaker 4>I could not help but be struck by the direct

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<v Speaker 4>conflict of evidence which had emerged.

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<v Speaker 1>What he meant was someone was telling lies. Marn believed

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<v Speaker 1>the non executive pilots one had been at the same

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<v Speaker 1>briefing as Jim Collins. He told Marn there'd been shown

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<v Speaker 1>print outs of the coordinates given to other flights. Marn

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<v Speaker 1>understood what must have happened. Jim Collins, the habitual note taker,

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<v Speaker 1>wrote down the coordinates during the briefing. The night before

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<v Speaker 1>the flight, when his teenage daughters saw him drawing lines

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<v Speaker 1>on a map he was plotting his flight path. It

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<v Speaker 1>took him down Murdo Sound. Then, on the morning of

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<v Speaker 1>the flight, Collins was given a print out of the

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<v Speaker 1>coordinates to enter into the plane's computer. He assumed they

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<v Speaker 1>must be the same coordinates he had seen at his briefing.

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<v Speaker 1>Why wouldn't they be Remember when Colins said.

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<v Speaker 2>We're twenty six miles north.

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<v Speaker 1>Collins was looking at the cockpit display, which told him

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<v Speaker 1>he was twenty six miles north of the next waypoint.

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<v Speaker 1>Because he had plotted his route the night before. He

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<v Speaker 1>thought that meant he was over the water, but no,

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<v Speaker 1>the coordinates had been changed. It actually meant they were

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<v Speaker 1>about to hit a mountain. It seemed to Peter Marn

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<v Speaker 1>that Air New Zealand had made a hideous mistake. They'd

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<v Speaker 1>briefed Jim Collins on one flight path, then changed it

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<v Speaker 1>and didn't tell him, And it seemed to Marn that

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<v Speaker 1>they were trying to cover up their mistake by lying

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<v Speaker 1>that Collins had been briefed he'd be flying over Mount Erebus.

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<v Speaker 1>One piece of evidence would confirm what Collins had been

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<v Speaker 1>told that his briefing. The notes he had made. Colin's ringbinder, remember,

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<v Speaker 1>had been found on the mountain side, perfectly readable.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>But when Peter Marn got his hands on that ringbinder,

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<v Speaker 1>it was empty. The pages had been damaged by kerosene

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<v Speaker 1>and someone at Air New Zealand had thrown them away.

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<v Speaker 1>I said there were two reasons the airline claimed the

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<v Speaker 1>change in waypoint was irrelevant. So what if Jim Collins

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<v Speaker 1>believed his flight path lay twenty five miles west of

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<v Speaker 1>Mount Erebus, if he hadn't been flying too low, he

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<v Speaker 1>would still have passed safely over the top. The minimum

0:19:25.210 --> 0:19:30.770
<v Speaker 1>safe altitude, remember, was sixteen thousand feet. If Collins had

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<v Speaker 1>followed the regulations, he wouldn't have hit the mountain, simple

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<v Speaker 1>as that. So about those regulations, Peter Mahn noticed once

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<v Speaker 1>again that Air New Zealand's executives were saying one thing

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<v Speaker 1>and the non executive pilots were saying something else. The

0:19:51.730 --> 0:19:57.450
<v Speaker 1>executives insisted that the minimum safe altitude was sacrisanct. The

0:19:57.490 --> 0:20:01.770
<v Speaker 1>others said everyone knew those flights to Antarctica flew low.

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<v Speaker 1>They were sightseeing flights. You can't see many sights from

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen thousand feet. The non executive pilots told Peter Mann

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<v Speaker 1>they had been briefed that they could fly as low

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<v Speaker 1>as they wanted as long as they cleared it with

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<v Speaker 1>the American radar station at McMurdo, which is exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Collins had done.

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<v Speaker 2>We will be taking advantage of the raidar facilities at

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<v Speaker 2>McMurdo for letdown.

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<v Speaker 1>Once again, Petermann was struck by the lack of documentary

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<v Speaker 1>evidence about what had been said to Collins at his briefing.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't just the pages from Colin's ring binder, that

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<v Speaker 1>had mysteriously disappeared. The first officer had forgotten his briefing

0:20:49.170 --> 0:20:53.690
<v Speaker 1>notes at home. The day after the crash, someone from

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<v Speaker 1>Air New Zealand called on his grieving widow and took

0:20:58.450 --> 0:21:10.090
<v Speaker 1>those notes away. Then the company lost them. Soon after

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<v Speaker 1>the crash, the airline's CEO ordered that all relevant documents

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<v Speaker 1>be gathered together and surplus documents put through a shredder.

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<v Speaker 1>His rationale, he said, was to avoid any leaks. But

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<v Speaker 1>was it only surplus documents that were being shredded or

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<v Speaker 1>inconvenient ones. Some inconvenient documents remained at large, like magazine

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<v Speaker 1>articles about the sightseeing flights, which made it very clear

0:21:42.170 --> 0:21:47.050
<v Speaker 1>they were flying far lower than the minimum's safe altitude.

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<v Speaker 1>If that was strictly forbidden, Why had no executives taken

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<v Speaker 1>action after seeing these articles? The executive said, we never

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<v Speaker 1>saw them. We had no idea. One of those articles

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<v Speaker 1>was by the boss of the McDonell Douglas Corporation, which

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<v Speaker 1>made the plane that Air New Zealand flew to Antarctica.

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<v Speaker 1>In a trade magazine, he published an enthusiastic account of

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<v Speaker 1>flying low down McMurdo sound. He sent a copy to

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<v Speaker 1>the CEO of Air New Zealand. When the CEO gave

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<v Speaker 1>evidence in Peter Mann's courtroom, he insisted he had never

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<v Speaker 1>seen it. He doesn't read all his mail, he explained.

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<v Speaker 1>Then it transpired that Air New Zealand's marketing department had

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<v Speaker 1>printed a million copies of this article and sent one

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<v Speaker 1>to every household in New Zealand. Peter Mann asked the

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<v Speaker 1>CEO to explain. Marn recalled.

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<v Speaker 4>He gave no verbal answer. He simply turned towards me

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<v Speaker 4>and spread his arms outwards in a despairing gesture. He

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<v Speaker 4>was indicating his total lack of comprehension that such a

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<v Speaker 4>thing could have happened. I knew the feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>The airline's case was falling apart. Jim Collins did have

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<v Speaker 1>permission to fly low. He didn't know his flight path

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<v Speaker 1>went over Erebus. But there remained one final mystery to unravel.

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<v Speaker 1>How had Jim Collins failed to see Mount Erebus when

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<v Speaker 1>it was right in front of him. The answer seemed obvious,

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<v Speaker 1>Collins must have been flying through cloud. The transcript of

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<v Speaker 1>the cockpit voice recording was damning a bit thick here, Ahber,

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<v Speaker 1>but that line in the transcript came as a surprise

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<v Speaker 1>to other pilots who'd listened to the recording. The quality

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<v Speaker 1>of that recording was poor. Many parts were hard to

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<v Speaker 1>make out. They didn't remember hearing anything like that, and anyway,

0:24:11.450 --> 0:24:16.370
<v Speaker 1>nobody on the flight deck was called Bert. Remember what

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<v Speaker 1>the police had found among the wreckage on the side

0:24:19.730 --> 0:24:26.210
<v Speaker 1>of the mountain. Passengers cameras, some were undamaged, and the

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<v Speaker 1>films inside were developed. They showed the plane hadn't been

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<v Speaker 1>in thick cloud at all, far from it. Jim Collins

0:24:34.570 --> 0:24:39.090
<v Speaker 1>had descended below the clouds and visibility was clear for

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<v Speaker 1>miles around. That made Petermann suspicious about the transcript, so

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<v Speaker 1>he flew to America to listen with an expert. The

0:24:50.570 --> 0:24:55.530
<v Speaker 1>quality was poor, but it didn't sound like bit thicker

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<v Speaker 1>a Bert. The expert thought he heard this is Cape byrd.

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<v Speaker 1>So Marn arranged to be flown to Antarctica, following the

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<v Speaker 1>exact same route as Jim Collins. At the moment of

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<v Speaker 1>the disputed line and the transcript man looked out of

0:25:16.610 --> 0:25:22.770
<v Speaker 1>the cockpit window, he saw a cape. It wasn't Cape Bird.

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<v Speaker 1>That was twenty five miles west on the flight path.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Collins thought he was following, but by tragic coincidence.

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<v Speaker 1>This cape just happened to look very much like cape Bird.

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<v Speaker 1>It was confirmation bias twice over. The pilots assumed they

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<v Speaker 1>were flying over cape Bird, so they saw cape Bird.

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<v Speaker 1>The chief inspector assumed the pilots were flying through cloud,

0:25:50.130 --> 0:25:54.690
<v Speaker 1>so he heard a bit thicker a Bert. Still, though

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<v Speaker 1>that didn't solve the mystery, it deepened it. If visibility

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<v Speaker 1>was good, how on earth had Jim Collins failed to

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<v Speaker 1>see Mount Erebus Cautionary tales will be back in a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of the senior pilots had turned their backs on

0:26:23.890 --> 0:26:28.570
<v Speaker 1>Jim Collins' widow, Maria, but one had not, the man

0:26:28.650 --> 0:26:30.730
<v Speaker 1>who taught Jim Collins to fly.

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<v Speaker 3>This isn't Jim Maria. This is not Jim's behavior. Something's wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to find out.

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<v Speaker 1>The pilot's name was Gordon Vetti. He talked to experienced

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<v Speaker 1>Antarctic pilots who told him about a phenomenon called whiteout.

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<v Speaker 1>The Air New Zealand pilots who flew to Antarctica, including

0:26:55.090 --> 0:26:59.250
<v Speaker 1>Vetti himself, had never been there before, and nobody at

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<v Speaker 1>Air New Zealand had briefed them about whiteout. The more

0:27:03.850 --> 0:27:08.090
<v Speaker 1>Vetty learned the more horrified he became at the risk

0:27:08.250 --> 0:27:15.090
<v Speaker 1>hid unknown taken. White Out, Vetti discovered, is a peculiar

0:27:15.290 --> 0:27:20.530
<v Speaker 1>visual illusion that can happen in polar regions in overcast conditions.

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<v Speaker 1>When the land is white and the clouds are white

0:27:25.050 --> 0:27:28.890
<v Speaker 1>and the light shines in a certain way, you lose

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<v Speaker 1>all ability to perceive depth or distance. One expert told Vetti,

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<v Speaker 1>It's like being inside a big milk bottle. It can

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<v Speaker 1>come on suddenly and you don't necessarily realize that anything's

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<v Speaker 1>wrong until you walk into a snowbank, or fall into

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<v Speaker 1>a hole, or crash or plane into a frozen mountain.

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<v Speaker 1>Gordon Vetti understood what had happened in the final moments

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<v Speaker 1>of the flight.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like this.

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<v Speaker 4>We're twenty six miles north. We'll have to climb.

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<v Speaker 1>Out of this, climb out of this. What did Jim

0:28:17.770 --> 0:28:22.330
<v Speaker 1>Collins want to climb out of? Vetti says it must

0:28:22.410 --> 0:28:26.850
<v Speaker 1>have been that disconcerting sense of being in a milk bottle.

0:28:28.010 --> 0:28:31.650
<v Speaker 1>Collins was below the cloud. He could see for miles

0:28:31.690 --> 0:28:35.610
<v Speaker 1>to the left and right, but he hadn't been briefed

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<v Speaker 1>about white out. He had no idea that right in

0:28:39.970 --> 0:28:43.090
<v Speaker 1>front of him he'd be unable to tell a flat

0:28:43.410 --> 0:28:47.890
<v Speaker 1>expanse of frozen water from the rising slopes of a

0:28:47.930 --> 0:28:52.770
<v Speaker 1>frozen hillside. It just have sensed that something was off,

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<v Speaker 1>so his instinct was to climb, but it was too late.

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<v Speaker 1>Vetty shudders to think of it.

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<v Speaker 3>If I had been in their position at that time,

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<v Speaker 3>I would probably have been misled the same respect as

0:29:10.170 --> 0:29:14.050
<v Speaker 3>they were, and now myself may well have crashed on

0:29:14.170 --> 0:29:14.810
<v Speaker 3>Mount Erebus.

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<v Speaker 1>Gordon Vetti wanted to make sure Peter Marn knew about

0:29:21.890 --> 0:29:24.850
<v Speaker 1>white out, so he flew in an expert at his

0:29:24.890 --> 0:29:30.010
<v Speaker 1>own expense, to give evidence to Marn's Royal Commission. Later,

0:29:30.490 --> 0:29:35.930
<v Speaker 1>when Marn himself visited Antarctica, the Australian Air Force offered

0:29:35.970 --> 0:29:41.410
<v Speaker 1>him a lift home. The crew were experienced Antarctic flyers

0:29:41.730 --> 0:29:44.810
<v Speaker 1>and they'd been following the news about Marn's Royal Commission.

0:29:46.090 --> 0:29:50.050
<v Speaker 1>They invited Marm to the cockpit for takeoff. They wanted

0:29:50.090 --> 0:29:58.330
<v Speaker 1>to show him something. The day was overcast. The pilots

0:29:58.650 --> 0:30:02.250
<v Speaker 1>flew towards a ridge of snow and pointed out how

0:30:02.290 --> 0:30:04.850
<v Speaker 1>it ended in a black, rocky outcrop.

0:30:06.290 --> 0:30:12.130
<v Speaker 4>Marn recalls could just make out the top of the ridge.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they told him, now raise your hand to cover

0:30:16.530 --> 0:30:18.250
<v Speaker 1>that black, rocky outcrop.

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<v Speaker 4>The top of the snow ridge disappeared, and stuntly.

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<v Speaker 1>All that Marn could see was undifferentiated white. He was stunned.

0:30:33.050 --> 0:30:35.730
<v Speaker 1>It was one thing to hear about white out from

0:30:35.770 --> 0:30:41.530
<v Speaker 1>an expert, quite another to experience it for himself. The

0:30:41.570 --> 0:30:52.850
<v Speaker 1>Australian crew were satisfied. That's the illusion that doomed Jim Collins.

0:30:54.170 --> 0:30:58.090
<v Speaker 1>Marn had spent months growing more and more frustrated that

0:30:58.250 --> 0:31:01.570
<v Speaker 1>Air New Zealand executives were trying to pull the wool

0:31:01.610 --> 0:31:06.570
<v Speaker 1>over his eyes. He appreciated that these young men from

0:31:06.570 --> 0:31:11.890
<v Speaker 1>another country's air force wanted to help him understand. When

0:31:11.890 --> 0:31:15.410
<v Speaker 1>he wrote up the findings of his Royal Commission, he

0:31:15.490 --> 0:31:23.130
<v Speaker 1>thanked every one of them by name and rank. Peter

0:31:23.250 --> 0:31:27.770
<v Speaker 1>Mahn's findings turned the Chief Inspector's report on its head.

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<v Speaker 1>The cause of the accident, said Marn, wasn't Jim Collins

0:31:32.970 --> 0:31:37.330
<v Speaker 1>flying too low. It was Air New Zealand failing to

0:31:37.330 --> 0:31:40.930
<v Speaker 1>brief him properly about the risk of whiteout, and failing

0:31:40.970 --> 0:31:44.690
<v Speaker 1>to tell him that they'd changed his waypoint coordinates between

0:31:44.810 --> 0:31:49.450
<v Speaker 1>the briefing and the flight. The Chief Inspector had heaped

0:31:49.570 --> 0:31:54.690
<v Speaker 1>all the blame on Jim Collins. Marn said Collins deserved

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<v Speaker 1>no blame at all. Not everyone agrees. On internet discussion boards,

0:32:03.690 --> 0:32:08.530
<v Speaker 1>pilots still expressed strong views either way. Did Collins rely

0:32:08.730 --> 0:32:11.970
<v Speaker 1>too much on the computerized navigation system to tell him

0:32:11.970 --> 0:32:15.690
<v Speaker 1>where he was? Peter Mann didn't think so. He points

0:32:15.730 --> 0:32:19.890
<v Speaker 1>out how accurate that system is, although perhaps we've since

0:32:19.970 --> 0:32:24.170
<v Speaker 1>grown more mistrustful of the idea that the machine could

0:32:24.250 --> 0:32:28.730
<v Speaker 1>never fly us into a mountain. The Distinguished Air Marshal,

0:32:28.810 --> 0:32:32.450
<v Speaker 1>who had served as Man's technical advisor, thought that the

0:32:32.530 --> 0:32:37.730
<v Speaker 1>judge had overstepped he reckoned Collins was maybe ten percent

0:32:37.930 --> 0:32:44.010
<v Speaker 1>to blame. As it happens, I too have strong views

0:32:44.090 --> 0:32:47.090
<v Speaker 1>on the question of how much to blame Jim Collins.

0:32:48.210 --> 0:32:52.330
<v Speaker 1>I think it's the wrong question. The right question, as

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<v Speaker 1>with every plane that crashes on this show, is what

0:32:56.490 --> 0:33:02.570
<v Speaker 1>can we learn. When you read Peter Man's report, you

0:33:02.610 --> 0:33:05.610
<v Speaker 1>get a sense that he's writing in a different era.

0:33:06.930 --> 0:33:10.690
<v Speaker 1>You can feel Mann groping to towards concepts that in

0:33:10.810 --> 0:33:15.930
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty one, accident investigators didn't yet have the vocabulary

0:33:15.930 --> 0:33:22.970
<v Speaker 1>to articulate concepts like cognitive biases and human factors. Such

0:33:23.130 --> 0:33:27.450
<v Speaker 1>concepts have since been popularized by thinkers such as James Reason,

0:33:27.930 --> 0:33:33.650
<v Speaker 1>a psychologist and expert on human error. Both Peter Mann

0:33:33.770 --> 0:33:37.570
<v Speaker 1>and Gordon Vetti instinctively grasped an idea that was then

0:33:38.050 --> 0:33:44.050
<v Speaker 1>very new, that organizational failings can set a trap into

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<v Speaker 1>which even the most skilled of pilots might fall. James

0:33:48.490 --> 0:33:52.530
<v Speaker 1>Reason said that the Man Report was ten years ahead

0:33:52.570 --> 0:33:59.890
<v Speaker 1>of its time. Peter Mann was a subtle and elegant writer.

0:34:00.850 --> 0:34:04.010
<v Speaker 1>You'll often find him raising an eyebrow through his prose,

0:34:04.770 --> 0:34:08.610
<v Speaker 1>making it clear what he thinks without spelling it out.

0:34:09.810 --> 0:34:13.170
<v Speaker 1>When he wrote up his commission's findings, he could have

0:34:13.290 --> 0:34:17.170
<v Speaker 1>crafted a memorable turn of phrase that left no doubt

0:34:17.890 --> 0:34:22.490
<v Speaker 1>air New Zealand executives had lied to him without actually

0:34:22.530 --> 0:34:30.810
<v Speaker 1>saying it. But Marn was too angry to pull his punches. Instead,

0:34:31.490 --> 0:34:35.810
<v Speaker 1>he crafted a memorable turn of phrase that made the

0:34:35.850 --> 0:34:37.570
<v Speaker 1>accusation explicit.

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<v Speaker 4>I am forced reluctantly to say that I had to

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<v Speaker 4>listen to an orchestrated litany of lies.

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<v Speaker 1>An orchestrated litany of lies. Devastating, satisfying, but unwise. Marn

0:34:58.370 --> 0:35:01.370
<v Speaker 1>was a judge, but he wasn't writing as a judge.

0:35:01.770 --> 0:35:06.050
<v Speaker 1>He was writing as a Royal commissioner that mattered. The

0:35:06.170 --> 0:35:09.730
<v Speaker 1>verdicts of a judge can be appealed. There was no

0:35:09.850 --> 0:35:13.730
<v Speaker 1>legal mechanism to appeal the findings of a royal commission

0:35:14.610 --> 0:35:16.770
<v Speaker 1>It's hard to imagine that Air New Zealand would have

0:35:16.770 --> 0:35:18.450
<v Speaker 1>got far if they could have appealed.

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<v Speaker 4>What would they have said?

0:35:20.450 --> 0:35:24.690
<v Speaker 1>That it was an improvised litany of lies, a choreographed

0:35:24.730 --> 0:35:30.130
<v Speaker 1>cacophony of cock ups. The point was that they couldn't appeal.

0:35:31.330 --> 0:35:34.850
<v Speaker 1>Air New Zealand's lawyers found a clever way to fight back.

0:35:35.570 --> 0:35:39.410
<v Speaker 1>They took Marm to court for breaching the principles of

0:35:39.530 --> 0:35:43.290
<v Speaker 1>natural justice by accusing the company of a cover up

0:35:43.650 --> 0:35:46.650
<v Speaker 1>in a way that gave them no right to respond.

0:35:47.810 --> 0:35:51.250
<v Speaker 1>The case went to the Privy Council, the highest court

0:35:51.530 --> 0:35:55.410
<v Speaker 1>in the land. The Privy Council bent over backwards to

0:35:55.490 --> 0:36:01.490
<v Speaker 1>praise Marm's investigative work. Brilliant, they said, but agreed that

0:36:01.650 --> 0:36:08.410
<v Speaker 1>Air New Zealand had a point. Legally Marn had overstepped.

0:36:09.890 --> 0:36:15.130
<v Speaker 1>Marn was devastated. He resigned as a judge. His health

0:36:15.210 --> 0:36:20.410
<v Speaker 1>declined rapidly, and he died soon after, aged just sixty two.

0:36:22.010 --> 0:36:26.650
<v Speaker 1>The legal wrangles created just enough MRK to let Air

0:36:26.730 --> 0:36:32.050
<v Speaker 1>new Zealand Wriggle off the hook. It wasn't until twenty nineteen,

0:36:33.010 --> 0:36:37.850
<v Speaker 1>the fortieth anniversary of the disaster, that New Zealand's government

0:36:38.250 --> 0:36:44.530
<v Speaker 1>formally accepted Marn's report and apologized for Air New Zealand's

0:36:44.610 --> 0:36:49.850
<v Speaker 1>role in the crash. Gordon Vetti, too, found that Air

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<v Speaker 1>New Zealand were in no mood to forgive and forget

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<v Speaker 1>his research into Whiteout. He says, I'd hoped that we

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<v Speaker 1>might all be able to admit that in ignorance they

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<v Speaker 1>made a terrible mistake and get on with rebuilding and

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<v Speaker 1>learning from our mistakes. Nopevett hounded out of his job.

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<v Speaker 3>I am somewhat said that the price I've had to

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<v Speaker 3>pay for my attempts to find the truth has been

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<v Speaker 3>much greater than I expected.

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<v Speaker 1>Gordon Vetti and Peter Marn are the heroes of the

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<v Speaker 1>Erebus affair, But if the question is what can we learn,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps they too have something to teach us. From Gordon

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<v Speaker 1>Vetti we get the sad lesson that seeking the truth

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<v Speaker 1>can make you powerful enemies. And from Peter Marn, tempting

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<v Speaker 1>as it is to speak the truth, sometimes it's wiser

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<v Speaker 1>to let the truth speak for itself. For a full

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