WEBVTT - A Nation Adrift 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.440 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wikay Up Daily with 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:19.880 me your girl Danielle Moody recording from the bunker you know, folks. 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:24.480 This week we will get prepared for the eighth hearing 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:28.840 by the January sixth Committee, and the past seven have 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:35.320 been absolutely jaw dropping, and on this episode we circle 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:39.720 back with our friend Glenn Kirshner to discuss what stood 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:43.800 out for him with the seventh Congressional hearing and where 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:47.080 the fuck the DOJ is. The thing that I have 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:51.839 always appreciated about the past two years of conversations weekly 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:57.080 with Glenn is how honest and fourth right he has 0:00:57.120 --> 0:01:02.840 been in one his understanding of the numerous amounts of 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:07.920 crimes that Donald Trump the Trump administration committed over its 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:12.119 four year tenure, and then the subsequent crimes that were 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:17.360 committed after he lost the twenty twenty election and was 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:21.639 working over time to hold onto power. Glenns laid out 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:25.319 in so many ways in which the Department of Justice 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:28.479 should in fact take action. And where we start out 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:31.440 today is where Glenn is just like, I mean, how 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:35.199 many smoking guns do you need at this point does 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:39.360 the Department of Justice need to activate? And I ask him, 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:43.840 you know, the questions that annoy me that are consistently 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:48.800 asked on cable news about you know, the sloth like, 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:53.040 glacial like pace of this Department of Justice and what 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:57.920 he thinks right that they are waiting for. And you know, 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:01.200 I got to tell you that my patience, as you 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:03.560 all know because you've been listening to me for quite 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:08.040 some time, is real thin, and it's pretty much fucking 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:11.480 translucent at this point when it comes to the Department 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:15.400 of Justice, because what came up from me with the 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:20.640 League after the Cassidy Hutchinson testimony was that the Department 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:25.400 of Justice was taken aback because they had no idea 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.960 of any of the things that Cassidy offered up to 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:31.600 the committee. And I'm like, where the fuck have you 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:35.680 guys been for the last eighteen months? Like seriously, when 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:42.440 Merritt Garland took to the podium in recognition of the 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:47.240 anniversary of the assault on our democracy, he said that 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:49.960 he would follow the facts wherever the facts led him, 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:53.000 and however high up they led him. And I say 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:56.480 to Glenn on this episode, well, one would need to 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:59.320 leave their fucking house and actually open up the goddamn 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:02.560 door and to follow facts any which way. But if 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:05.000 you continue to bury your head in the sand, or 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:08.600 better yet, find yourself in the Ukraine talking about Russian 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:11.160 oligarchs and what it is that this Department of Justice 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:14.480 is doing to protect Ukrainian democracy, But you don't have 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:18.160 the same fucking base in your voice for American oligarchs 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:21.360 in the way in which you have allowed and enabled, 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:24.640 in fact, the wealthy in this country, the white in 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.720 this country, to be able to crime and broad fucking daylight. 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:30.519 And the only people that are being held accountable are 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:33.639 the Stephen Ayres of the world, the foot soldiers, the 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:37.440 ones that quote unquote got caught up and wanting to 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:40.920 believe what their president had said, And now after you've 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:44.560 lost your home and your job, are like, oh, maybe 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:47.320 he was a fucking crook and a liar, right, and 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:51.040 a fucking grifter. Now I'm putting words into Stephen Ayre's mouth. 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:54.240 And look, folks, I am the last person that feels 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:57.440 bad for any of these people that find themselves now 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:02.920 jobless or facing time and actual prison for betraying their country. 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:06.120 But at the same time, I'm like, you know, the 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:10.840 Department of Justice has arrested and in you know, over 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:14.920 eight hundred people, right, and many of them have gotten 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:17.359 slaps on the wrists or warnings or this, that and 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:20.039 the other thing, all because you know they're white. Like, 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:23.680 let's just be real, we actually understand and know to 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:25.840 be true that if these were people of color, they 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:28.360 would be thrown under the jail and there would be 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:31.840 all these talks about, you know, the preservation of democracy 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:34.120 and you know, law and order and all of these 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:37.680 things that pertain only to people of color and never 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:41.480 pertain to white people. And so you know, this Department 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:46.239 of Justice. When you listen to this interview with Glenn, 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:50.560 even somebody who has worked inside of the department, who 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:54.800 still has friends and colleagues in this space, you can 0:04:54.960 --> 0:05:00.080 hear that he is running out of patience, right. And 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:04.400 this is somebody who's spent thirty years doing federal prosecution 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.599 and really believes in the justice system. But you will 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:10.080 hear Glenn say that laws are only as good as 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:12.800 the people that are willing to enforce them. So we 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:15.279 can talk about, you know, the creation of new laws, 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:18.120 which I do ask him about with regard to domestic 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:21.040 terrorism in this country, and believing that we actually do 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:24.520 need statutes on the books that go after and can 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:28.120 readily prosecute groups like the Oathkeepers and the Proud Boys. 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:34.360 But the reality is that we have really good laws, 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:38.159 but we don't have the willingness and the desire to 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:41.280 hold everybody to the same set of laws. And that 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:45.680 is becoming clearer and clearer by the day. There is 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:51.960 no way out of this situation that America finds itself in, 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:59.040 which is, you know, just headed off of a cliff 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:03.960 right without accountability. You know, there are questions that continue 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:06.119 to be asked, and I did a TikTok video about 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:09.240 it the other day, which is, you know, would it 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:12.719 hurt the country to prosecute Donald Trump? It's gonna fucking 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.719 the country's going to be done if we don't prosecute 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:19.600 Donald Trump and every single person that made themselves available 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:24.039 in that fucking unhinged, crazy ass meeting on December eighteenth. 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:29.000 If these people the architects, right, the master minds, which 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:31.440 their minds are not masterfull of a goddamn thing but 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:36.239 QAnon theories. But I digress. The people who put these 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:41.000 ideas and the insurrection into motion. If all that is 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:43.760 prosecuted are the people that entered the building instead of 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:45.800 the people that opened the door, gave them the key 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.560 and shook them up and sent them and weaponize the 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:52.600 crowd and sent them in that direction. Then our democracy 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:57.920 is done. And you know that isn't hyperbolic at this point, 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.919 Like you were watching what this overlord or Supreme Court 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:03.680 is doing. You were seeing day in and day out, 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:06.960 what Republican governors are working to do. And so if 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:11.000 there is no accountability for the crimes that Donald Trump 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:14.320 and company have committed, then what do you think is 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:17.080 going to happen when a Republican becomes president of the 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:20.119 United States again? I'll tell you It'll be the last 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:25.240 fucking presidential election, plain and simple. You know, folks have 0:07:25.360 --> 0:07:27.760 eyes on twenty twenty four talking about whether or not 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:30.160 Biden should run, and I'm like, your eyes should be 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:35.280 fixated on November twenty twenty two, right and right now, 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:39.440 Democrats are not polling well and why would they, right, 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:42.800 why would they be polling well? And people keep telling me, well, 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:46.640 you know, you shouldn't go after Democrats and you should 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:49.400 really set your targets on Republicans and I said, and 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:53.720 to that, I say, Republicans have always shown us who 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:58.120 the fuck they are. Republicans have never minced words or 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:01.480 try to convince us they are people that believe in 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.720 equity and justice for every single American in this country. 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:08.040 They do not. They make no qualms about that. So 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:10.400 my qualms are with the people who say that they 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:12.760 are of the people and then turn their back on 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:15.960 them or do what the outgoing White House Director of 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:19.640 Communications did, which is throw those activists, those people that 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:23.160 are on the front lines of said movements under the 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:25.960 bus and say that we're the ones that find ourselves 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:29.520 out of step with the Democratic establishment. Well not according 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:33.240 to the fucking polls. So if this administration and this 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:37.120 Democratic Party doesn't begin to actually take the pulse of 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:39.760 the people, they're going to find themselves out of fucking 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.760 jobs and we're going to find ourselves in an autocracy, 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:47.400 plain and simple. Coming up next, my conversation with our 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:56.640 friend Glenn Kirshner. Indisputable with Doctor Rashid Ricci is one 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:59.720 of the latest shows on the TYT network and also 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:03.280 the fastest growing news show in America. On his show, 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:07.360 Doctor Ricci plays no games regarding policy, delivering a heavy 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:10.720 dose of fact based truth and penetrating analysis on all 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:15.440 the top news stories, focusing on racism, criminal and social justice, politics, 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:19.840 police brutality, Karens, and much more. 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I get excited because somebody makes me feel 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:37.840 less crazy than I feel after each and every one 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:43.000 of these public hearings that happen, Glenn. So we have 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:47.200 all now at this point experienced over and over again 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:51.640 the seventh hearing. We don't know if it's going to 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.880 be the last hearing, but we do know that it 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:59.000 is at least the seventh and in this one, much 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:03.680 like the previous hearings, bombshell after bombshell, just more insight 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:08.640 into the mindset of Donald Trump, into the fact that 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:13.160 Donald Trump, this insurrection was not an accident. It was 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:17.080 not people, It was the foot soldiers being caught up 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:22.120 in the moment, but it was well strategized ahead of time, 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:25.079 and Donald Trump was at the center of that strategy. 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.000 So before we jump into specifics, I just want to 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:31.600 ask you, what are some of the things that stood 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:35.440 out to you that we learned with this seventh hearing 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:38.880 that came a lot from the mouth of White House 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:43.840 Council Pat Sippoloni. You know, we learned about that insane 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:48.880 battle Royal in and around the Oval Office between I 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:51.440 don't want to call them the adults in the room, 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:57.160 maybe the aspiring adults in the room, Sippoloni and Hirshman, who, 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:00.120 make no mistake about it, this is a team that 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:03.520 enabled Donald Trump for a very long time and who 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:08.520 refused to step forward and try to save the democracy 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:13.760 from Donald Trump for years. But they were the adults 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:17.719 in the room as compared to Team Crazy, the QAnon 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:23.240 crew of Flynn and Juliani and Powell and what became 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:28.720 so painfully obvious and reinforced, you know, because we already 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:34.200 knew that Donald Trump didn't care at all about facts 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:39.200 or evidence supporting claims of election fraud. There was a 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:45.760 beautiful exchange between Powell and Hirshman when Powell said, you 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:49.400 know all this fraud and there's you know, Hugo Chavis 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:56.199 and the Nesta Thermostats and the Italian authorities, all this ridiculousness. 0:12:56.240 --> 0:13:00.000 And Hirschman said, you need to show us some eviden, 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:06.520 some facts. And he said, you lost every single court 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:11.760 challenge you brought because you had no evidence. And Powell said, well, 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:15.920 that's because all of the judges are corrupt and Hirschmann said, well, well, 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:21.520 even the ones reappointed. But it became clear Donald Trump 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:26.160 didn't want evidence, didn't need evidence, didn't care about evidence. 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:29.240 He was determined to hold on to power by any 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:32.400 means necessary. So at the end of that battle Royale, 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:37.080 which culminated with Rudy Giuliani being escorted out so he 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:41.640 wouldn't sneak back into the White House, Donald Trump sent 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:45.679 the tweet that set the date for the Capitol attack, 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:49.120 and it was on. He'd run out of all other 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:53.920 options and it was time to retain power by violence. 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:57.680 You know, how many more smoking guns do we need? 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:00.560 I'm sure we're going to get more smoking guns in 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:03.839 the upcoming hearing this Thursday. How many more do we 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:08.080 need before DJ acts? I mean, Glenn, this is the 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:10.840 I mean this, that's the question, Royal, right, this is 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:15.480 the question that you know, since the first hearing, we've 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:19.240 all been asking every rational person that's been paying attention, who, 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:21.760 unlike yourself, does not have a law degree and does 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:26.120 not have a career in federal prosecution. But I'm looking 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.520 around and I'm saying, God, damn, I'm pretty sure a 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:31.320 firstly year a law student could get this wrapped up 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:35.120 I mean you you have you have intent because I 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:37.760 guess here's what I will say. Here's here's a question 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:41.840 that I will ask, right, because every time that a 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:46.680 prosecutor or a former Obama person is on is on 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:49.760 cable news, the question is asked. You know about the 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:53.920 fact that the difference between information being laid out and evidence, 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:58.120 the difference between being able to show actual criminal intent, 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:02.080 because then you have to show what Donald Trump thought. 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:07.600 You tell me, has the committee not been able to 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:12.800 show absolute intent? And now, just what broke at the 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:16.120 end of the week is that guess who else is corrupt? 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:19.920 The entirety of the Secret Service that deleted all of 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:24.200 their text messages between January fifth and January sixth. Oh, 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:29.400 that's not suspicious at all. Yeah. First of all, information 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:33.440 is evidence and evidence is information. Yes, we have to 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:37.040 make sure that when we introduce something in court it 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:42.000 is admissible, it withstands scrutiny under the federal rules of evidence. 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:47.160 But for gosh sakes, Danielle, we have Cassidy Hutchinson staying 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:50.480 out of Donald Trump's mouth, out of the mouth of 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:55.240 the Orange Horse himself. He said, I don't care that 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:59.960 my supporters are armed with rifles and pistols. Take down 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:03.520 the effing metal detectors. Let them in, and then we 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:06.960 will all march on the Capitol because they're not here 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:10.200 to hurt me my inference. They're here to hurt the 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:14.160 people who are certifying my win up my loss up 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:21.760 the street. Okay, that is directly admissible, incriminating evidence. And 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:26.400 I don't understand the people who continue to claim that 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:31.960 the evidence doesn't prove Donald Trump's criminal intent are basically 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:36.160 moon landing deniers. Now, I'm gonna go with my old boss, 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:41.440 Eric Holder. After Richard Donohue testified a couple of hearings 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:45.120 ago that Donald Trump said, I don't care if the 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:50.320 election wasn't corrupt, just say it was and leave the 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:54.560 rest to me and my Republican allies in Congress, my 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.360 old US attorney, my old boss, the guy that gave 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:00.640 me a shot at being a federal prosecutor. Eric Holder 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:06.520 tweeted out, the evidence of his criminal intent is overwhelming 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:10.480 and anybody who claims we can't prove it in court, 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:14.320 that is a laughable claim. And just as you said 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:17.119 a few minutes ago, you know, the Democrats are always 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:19.720 running to the camera and saying this and saying that 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:25.280 Eric Holder, lest we forget, was appointed as a judge 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:29.400 to the bench in Washington, DC, the Superior Court by 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:35.480 President Ronald Reagan. Thereafter, yes, he was appointed by Democrats. 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:38.439 But this is somebody who, if you really want to 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:42.920 be a thinking person, has enjoyed respect on both sides 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:47.040 of the aisle until our country lost its mind along 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:52.080 tribal lines. And you know, there is no straight faced 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:57.000 argument that a prosecutor cannot prove Donald Trump's corrupt intent. 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:02.520 The only sticking point. For whatever reason, the Department of 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:06.960 Justice is about one hundred miles behind the j sixth 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:11.160 Committee with respect to its investigation. This is something that 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:14.359 I hope we learned someday that there was a good 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:17.200 reason for it, would all of the indictments come down 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:20.480 and everybody's been held accountable. But as of right now, 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:23.880 I'm left scratching my head because I can't understand how 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:27.320 DJ is not stepping up to try to hold these 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:31.520 folks accountable and save our democracy. You know, I you know, 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:35.120 there are two names, two names that people are are 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:38.679 throwing around, which is obviously Merrick Garland, but also Lisa 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:43.840 Monico and saying are these folks are are they are 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:47.359 they paying attention. One of the things that signal to 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:51.240 me that to your point, the DJ is one hundred 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:54.439 miles away is that news had leaked that the DOJ 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:59.200 was shocked by Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony. And I'm saying, why 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:02.760 the hell are you? Why hadn't you interviewed her before? 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:06.360 Why hadn't there been since you all were sworn in 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:13.600 a series of investigations and you know, and interviews into 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:16.119 what had been what happened? How did we get to 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:19.200 January sixth? The last thing that we all heard from 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:21.439 Merrick Garland was saying, I'll follow the facts where the 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:23.320 facts lead. But I guess you would have to open 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:25.640 the door and leave the house in order to get 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:30.760 on that path. So the thing that people keep saying 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:35.720 is DJ can't get this wrong. They can't get it wrong, Glenn, 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:39.200 because everything hangs in the balance. And here's the other 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:41.560 thing that people keep saying, and I want your answer 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:48.760 to this, can the country handle a former president being indicted? 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:54.000 What about the American people? Yeah, So if we decline 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:58.280 to indict Donald Trump, then Ron de Santis or whoever 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:02.119 the twenty twenty four nominee maybe gets to put our 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:06.120 nation through everything that Donald Trump put us through and 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:08.879 then some and he gets to do it with the 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:13.639 stamp of approval from the Department of Justice, because the 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:17.480 lack of an indictment of Donald Trump is as good 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:22.879 as an endorsement from DJ that this is precisely what 0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:28.480 a presidential candidate or a president gets to do when 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:33.440 seeking office, at which point we're done as a democracy. 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:37.080 So and you know, when you say DJ can't get 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:40.399 it wrong, the only way they get it wrong is 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:44.920 by not bringing charges against criminal politicians. That's the only 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:50.960 wrong answer. Getting it wrong doesn't mean they indict. They 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:56.399 go to trial, they fight like hell to win a conviction, honestly, ethically, 0:20:56.720 --> 0:20:59.560 in accordance with the Constitution, the laws, and the rules 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:03.640 of evidence. And they don't win a conviction. That's not 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:08.080 getting it wrong, Frankly, that's getting it right. I always 0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:12.280 told my prosecutors it's more important to try cases then 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:16.680 to win cases. The result is never guaranteed. And there 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:21.760 are federal prosecutors who are afraid to run the risk 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:26.000 of an acquittal or a hung jury because they're embarrassed. 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:29.639 You know, they feel like a failure. You're only a failure. 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:33.240 I don't going to use the overused cliche, if you 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:37.800 don't step into the arena and fight for the American people, 0:21:38.040 --> 0:21:42.800 fight for the rule of law, uphold your oath to 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:46.119 faithfully execute the laws of the country. That's the only 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:49.560 way you're a failure is if you refuse to take 0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:55.920 the fight into the arena. Remind us again of the 0:21:56.040 --> 0:21:59.200 path that a case like this would take. What are 0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:03.920 the courts that it goes to? Because again, what most 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:07.080 people who listen to Woke af are afraid of and 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:11.359 keep asking is if this goes up to the Supreme Court, 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:15.359 we lose? Right, Like, how do we not lose? We 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:19.280 know the machination of the Supreme Court, We know that 0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:23.280 they're about power and Republican ideology above all else. So 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:26.000 do we run the risk of it going up to 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:29.320 the Supreme Court and getting a rubber stamp of approval. 0:22:29.800 --> 0:22:33.200 So to the extent I can put your listeners minds 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:36.240 at ease, let me tell you that's not That's one 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:39.680 of the few things I don't worry about. And here's why. 0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:42.119 First of all, if it comes to a criminal trial, 0:22:42.680 --> 0:22:49.760 Donald Trump can and should be indicted right now for interfering, 0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:53.879 obstructing an official proceeding because he plainly interfered with the 0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:57.439 certification of Joe Biden's win. That's a laid down winner, 0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:00.920 and there are insurrectionists being convicted of that every day 0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:04.520 in the courts of Washington, DC. UM, he can be 0:23:04.600 --> 0:23:10.240 indicted for inciting an insurrection and inciting an armed riot. 0:23:10.560 --> 0:23:13.000 Now we know armed because he knew they were as 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:16.280 he knew so, and those are two slightly different charges. 0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:19.240 He can be A lesser known charge that we haven't 0:23:19.280 --> 0:23:22.960 talked about much is eighteen USC one eleven, which is 0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:27.880 impeding the duties of a government official. If ever somebody 0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:31.440 impeded the duties of Mike Pence and certifying the election, 0:23:31.760 --> 0:23:34.800 it was Donald Trump. That's an eight year felony. Unless 0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:37.720 you do it while armed, which he did by extension, 0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:41.200 then it's a twenty year felony. He absolutely and I'm 0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:43.639 so glad. I've seen Lawrence Tribe and Morning Joe and 0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:46.560 some of the others say he has committed the offense 0:23:46.600 --> 0:23:50.600 of treason. He levied war. Okay, so this is what 0:23:50.800 --> 0:23:53.840 this is the big one. Treason, that's the big one. 0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:56.520 I don't even care about about seditious conspiracy. I think 0:23:56.560 --> 0:23:59.760 that's a bit tougher at the moment because it's hard 0:23:59.800 --> 0:24:02.040 to prove an agreement. But I just re up the 0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:04.720 video that I put up last April about how this 0:24:04.800 --> 0:24:07.520 is a Hub and Spoke conspiracy. I was thrilled to 0:24:07.600 --> 0:24:10.960 see Andrew Weissman has said that now at an op 0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:14.919 ed piece in the New York Times. So he can 0:24:15.200 --> 0:24:17.960 and should be charged with all of those crimes, and 0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:20.240 I maintain he should be convicted of them all. Where 0:24:20.240 --> 0:24:23.119 does the case go from there, Well, he gets tried 0:24:23.240 --> 0:24:27.160 in the Federal District Court in Washington, DC. His conviction 0:24:27.240 --> 0:24:31.600 would be appealed to the DC Federal Circuit Court of Appeals, 0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:35.360 which I predict will affirm his conviction. Then it goes 0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:38.480 to the Supreme Court. That's what gives us heartburn because 0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:42.320 we know the Supreme Court is compromised. But what the 0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:48.119 Supreme Court cares most about is the Supreme Court's own power. 0:24:49.280 --> 0:24:52.720 And the Supreme Court will look at the conviction of 0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:57.359 Donald Trump, will assess the quality and quantity of the 0:24:57.480 --> 0:25:01.080 evidence that was introduced against him at trial. And I 0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:05.000 would bet the farm, Danielle that they will affirm Donald 0:25:05.080 --> 0:25:09.639 Trump's conviction because if they don't, if they bust his 0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:14.520 conviction and they put him back into the stream of politics. 0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:17.480 He will become a dictator. And you know what, a 0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:22.280 dictator has no need for a Supreme Court. So I 0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:26.840 don't have faith in the honor or ethics of the 0:25:26.880 --> 0:25:31.280 Supreme Court when they are in a position to decide 0:25:31.520 --> 0:25:36.000 a case involving Donald Trump's power. But I think I 0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:40.680 have a low enough estimation of them that they will 0:25:40.720 --> 0:25:44.879 not do anything to install Trump as a dictator, because 0:25:44.920 --> 0:25:48.720 then they run the risk of losing their own supremacy. 0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:51.520 He'll become a dictator, and he'll say, hey, now go 0:25:51.640 --> 0:25:55.840 lock up those justices, because nobody is a top a dictator, 0:25:56.000 --> 0:26:01.000 and in our constitutional construct, the Supreme Court is the 0:26:01.080 --> 0:26:05.879 last spot when declaring what's lawful and constitutional. Donald Trump 0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:09.520 won't like that. That's the same reason I believe the 0:26:09.520 --> 0:26:13.760 Supreme Court did not take up any of Donald Trump's 0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:19.159 election challenges, not because they're great, deep thinking jurists, but 0:26:19.280 --> 0:26:22.080 because they didn't want to run the risk of putting 0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:27.080 themselves out of business. So we then rely on their 0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:32.479 egos in order, not their honor, but their egos. Um 0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:36.120 So here's another question, Glenn, and this is with regard 0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:41.399