Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wikay Up Daily with
Speaker 1: me your girl Danielle Moody recording from the bunker you know, folks.
Speaker 1: This week we will get prepared for the eighth hearing
Speaker 1: by the January sixth Committee, and the past seven have
Speaker 1: been absolutely jaw dropping, and on this episode we circle
Speaker 1: back with our friend Glenn Kirshner to discuss what stood
Speaker 1: out for him with the seventh Congressional hearing and where
Speaker 1: the fuck the DOJ is. The thing that I have
Speaker 1: always appreciated about the past two years of conversations weekly
Speaker 1: with Glenn is how honest and fourth right he has
Speaker 1: been in one his understanding of the numerous amounts of
Speaker 1: crimes that Donald Trump the Trump administration committed over its
Speaker 1: four year tenure, and then the subsequent crimes that were
Speaker 1: committed after he lost the twenty twenty election and was
Speaker 1: working over time to hold onto power. Glenns laid out
Speaker 1: in so many ways in which the Department of Justice
Speaker 1: should in fact take action. And where we start out
Speaker 1: today is where Glenn is just like, I mean, how
Speaker 1: many smoking guns do you need at this point does
Speaker 1: the Department of Justice need to activate? And I ask him,
Speaker 1: you know, the questions that annoy me that are consistently
Speaker 1: asked on cable news about you know, the sloth like,
Speaker 1: glacial like pace of this Department of Justice and what
Speaker 1: he thinks right that they are waiting for. And you know,
Speaker 1: I got to tell you that my patience, as you
Speaker 1: all know because you've been listening to me for quite
Speaker 1: some time, is real thin, and it's pretty much fucking
Speaker 1: translucent at this point when it comes to the Department
Speaker 1: of Justice, because what came up from me with the
Speaker 1: League after the Cassidy Hutchinson testimony was that the Department
Speaker 1: of Justice was taken aback because they had no idea
Speaker 1: of any of the things that Cassidy offered up to
Speaker 1: the committee. And I'm like, where the fuck have you
Speaker 1: guys been for the last eighteen months? Like seriously, when
Speaker 1: Merritt Garland took to the podium in recognition of the
Speaker 1: anniversary of the assault on our democracy, he said that
Speaker 1: he would follow the facts wherever the facts led him,
Speaker 1: and however high up they led him. And I say
Speaker 1: to Glenn on this episode, well, one would need to
Speaker 1: leave their fucking house and actually open up the goddamn
Speaker 1: door and to follow facts any which way. But if
Speaker 1: you continue to bury your head in the sand, or
Speaker 1: better yet, find yourself in the Ukraine talking about Russian
Speaker 1: oligarchs and what it is that this Department of Justice
Speaker 1: is doing to protect Ukrainian democracy, But you don't have
Speaker 1: the same fucking base in your voice for American oligarchs
Speaker 1: in the way in which you have allowed and enabled,
Speaker 1: in fact, the wealthy in this country, the white in
Speaker 1: this country, to be able to crime and broad fucking daylight.
Speaker 1: And the only people that are being held accountable are
Speaker 1: the Stephen Ayres of the world, the foot soldiers, the
Speaker 1: ones that quote unquote got caught up and wanting to
Speaker 1: believe what their president had said, And now after you've
Speaker 1: lost your home and your job, are like, oh, maybe
Speaker 1: he was a fucking crook and a liar, right, and
Speaker 1: a fucking grifter. Now I'm putting words into Stephen Ayre's mouth.
Speaker 1: And look, folks, I am the last person that feels
Speaker 1: bad for any of these people that find themselves now
Speaker 1: jobless or facing time and actual prison for betraying their country.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm like, you know, the
Speaker 1: Department of Justice has arrested and in you know, over
Speaker 1: eight hundred people, right, and many of them have gotten
Speaker 1: slaps on the wrists or warnings or this, that and
Speaker 1: the other thing, all because you know they're white. Like,
Speaker 1: let's just be real, we actually understand and know to
Speaker 1: be true that if these were people of color, they
Speaker 1: would be thrown under the jail and there would be
Speaker 1: all these talks about, you know, the preservation of democracy
Speaker 1: and you know, law and order and all of these
Speaker 1: things that pertain only to people of color and never
Speaker 1: pertain to white people. And so you know, this Department
Speaker 1: of Justice. When you listen to this interview with Glenn,
Speaker 1: even somebody who has worked inside of the department, who
Speaker 1: still has friends and colleagues in this space, you can
Speaker 1: hear that he is running out of patience, right. And
Speaker 1: this is somebody who's spent thirty years doing federal prosecution
Speaker 1: and really believes in the justice system. But you will
Speaker 1: hear Glenn say that laws are only as good as
Speaker 1: the people that are willing to enforce them. So we
Speaker 1: can talk about, you know, the creation of new laws,
Speaker 1: which I do ask him about with regard to domestic
Speaker 1: terrorism in this country, and believing that we actually do
Speaker 1: need statutes on the books that go after and can
Speaker 1: readily prosecute groups like the Oathkeepers and the Proud Boys.
Speaker 1: But the reality is that we have really good laws,
Speaker 1: but we don't have the willingness and the desire to
Speaker 1: hold everybody to the same set of laws. And that
Speaker 1: is becoming clearer and clearer by the day. There is
Speaker 1: no way out of this situation that America finds itself in,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, just headed off of a cliff
Speaker 1: right without accountability. You know, there are questions that continue
Speaker 1: to be asked, and I did a TikTok video about
Speaker 1: it the other day, which is, you know, would it
Speaker 1: hurt the country to prosecute Donald Trump? It's gonna fucking
Speaker 1: the country's going to be done if we don't prosecute
Speaker 1: Donald Trump and every single person that made themselves available
Speaker 1: in that fucking unhinged, crazy ass meeting on December eighteenth.
Speaker 1: If these people the architects, right, the master minds, which
Speaker 1: their minds are not masterfull of a goddamn thing but
Speaker 1: QAnon theories. But I digress. The people who put these
Speaker 1: ideas and the insurrection into motion. If all that is
Speaker 1: prosecuted are the people that entered the building instead of
Speaker 1: the people that opened the door, gave them the key
Speaker 1: and shook them up and sent them and weaponize the
Speaker 1: crowd and sent them in that direction. Then our democracy
Speaker 1: is done. And you know that isn't hyperbolic at this point,
Speaker 1: Like you were watching what this overlord or Supreme Court
Speaker 1: is doing. You were seeing day in and day out,
Speaker 1: what Republican governors are working to do. And so if
Speaker 1: there is no accountability for the crimes that Donald Trump
Speaker 1: and company have committed, then what do you think is
Speaker 1: going to happen when a Republican becomes president of the
Speaker 1: United States again? I'll tell you It'll be the last
Speaker 1: fucking presidential election, plain and simple. You know, folks have
Speaker 1: eyes on twenty twenty four talking about whether or not
Speaker 1: Biden should run, and I'm like, your eyes should be
Speaker 1: fixated on November twenty twenty two, right and right now,
Speaker 1: Democrats are not polling well and why would they, right,
Speaker 1: why would they be polling well? And people keep telling me, well,
Speaker 1: you know, you shouldn't go after Democrats and you should
Speaker 1: really set your targets on Republicans and I said, and
Speaker 1: to that, I say, Republicans have always shown us who
Speaker 1: the fuck they are. Republicans have never minced words or
Speaker 1: try to convince us they are people that believe in
Speaker 1: equity and justice for every single American in this country.
Speaker 1: They do not. They make no qualms about that. So
Speaker 1: my qualms are with the people who say that they
Speaker 1: are of the people and then turn their back on
Speaker 1: them or do what the outgoing White House Director of
Speaker 1: Communications did, which is throw those activists, those people that
Speaker 1: are on the front lines of said movements under the
Speaker 1: bus and say that we're the ones that find ourselves
Speaker 1: out of step with the Democratic establishment. Well not according
Speaker 1: to the fucking polls. So if this administration and this
Speaker 1: Democratic Party doesn't begin to actually take the pulse of
Speaker 1: the people, they're going to find themselves out of fucking
Speaker 1: jobs and we're going to find ourselves in an autocracy,
Speaker 1: plain and simple. Coming up next, my conversation with our
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Speaker 1: legal analyst. I get excited because somebody makes me feel
Speaker 1: less crazy than I feel after each and every one
Speaker 1: of these public hearings that happen, Glenn. So we have
Speaker 1: all now at this point experienced over and over again
Speaker 1: the seventh hearing. We don't know if it's going to
Speaker 1: be the last hearing, but we do know that it
Speaker 1: is at least the seventh and in this one, much
Speaker 1: like the previous hearings, bombshell after bombshell, just more insight
Speaker 1: into the mindset of Donald Trump, into the fact that
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, this insurrection was not an accident. It was
Speaker 1: not people, It was the foot soldiers being caught up
Speaker 1: in the moment, but it was well strategized ahead of time,
Speaker 1: and Donald Trump was at the center of that strategy.
Speaker 1: So before we jump into specifics, I just want to
Speaker 1: ask you, what are some of the things that stood
Speaker 1: out to you that we learned with this seventh hearing
Speaker 1: that came a lot from the mouth of White House
Speaker 1: Council Pat Sippoloni. You know, we learned about that insane
Speaker 1: battle Royal in and around the Oval Office between I
Speaker 1: don't want to call them the adults in the room,
Speaker 1: maybe the aspiring adults in the room, Sippoloni and Hirshman, who,
Speaker 1: make no mistake about it, this is a team that
Speaker 1: enabled Donald Trump for a very long time and who
Speaker 1: refused to step forward and try to save the democracy
Speaker 1: from Donald Trump for years. But they were the adults
Speaker 1: in the room as compared to Team Crazy, the QAnon
Speaker 1: crew of Flynn and Juliani and Powell and what became
Speaker 1: so painfully obvious and reinforced, you know, because we already
Speaker 1: knew that Donald Trump didn't care at all about facts
Speaker 1: or evidence supporting claims of election fraud. There was a
Speaker 1: beautiful exchange between Powell and Hirshman when Powell said, you
Speaker 1: know all this fraud and there's you know, Hugo Chavis
Speaker 1: and the Nesta Thermostats and the Italian authorities, all this ridiculousness.
Speaker 1: And Hirschman said, you need to show us some eviden,
Speaker 1: some facts. And he said, you lost every single court
Speaker 1: challenge you brought because you had no evidence. And Powell said, well,
Speaker 1: that's because all of the judges are corrupt and Hirschmann said, well, well,
Speaker 1: even the ones reappointed. But it became clear Donald Trump
Speaker 1: didn't want evidence, didn't need evidence, didn't care about evidence.
Speaker 1: He was determined to hold on to power by any
Speaker 1: means necessary. So at the end of that battle Royale,
Speaker 1: which culminated with Rudy Giuliani being escorted out so he
Speaker 1: wouldn't sneak back into the White House, Donald Trump sent
Speaker 1: the tweet that set the date for the Capitol attack,
Speaker 1: and it was on. He'd run out of all other
Speaker 1: options and it was time to retain power by violence.
Speaker 1: You know, how many more smoking guns do we need?
Speaker 1: I'm sure we're going to get more smoking guns in
Speaker 1: the upcoming hearing this Thursday. How many more do we
Speaker 1: need before DJ acts? I mean, Glenn, this is the
Speaker 1: I mean this, that's the question, Royal, right, this is
Speaker 1: the question that you know, since the first hearing, we've
Speaker 1: all been asking every rational person that's been paying attention, who,
Speaker 1: unlike yourself, does not have a law degree and does
Speaker 1: not have a career in federal prosecution. But I'm looking
Speaker 1: around and I'm saying, God, damn, I'm pretty sure a
Speaker 1: firstly year a law student could get this wrapped up
Speaker 1: I mean you you have you have intent because I
Speaker 1: guess here's what I will say. Here's here's a question
Speaker 1: that I will ask, right, because every time that a
Speaker 1: prosecutor or a former Obama person is on is on
Speaker 1: cable news, the question is asked. You know about the
Speaker 1: fact that the difference between information being laid out and evidence,
Speaker 1: the difference between being able to show actual criminal intent,
Speaker 1: because then you have to show what Donald Trump thought.
Speaker 1: You tell me, has the committee not been able to
Speaker 1: show absolute intent? And now, just what broke at the
Speaker 1: end of the week is that guess who else is corrupt?
Speaker 1: The entirety of the Secret Service that deleted all of
Speaker 1: their text messages between January fifth and January sixth. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's not suspicious at all. Yeah. First of all, information
Speaker 1: is evidence and evidence is information. Yes, we have to
Speaker 1: make sure that when we introduce something in court it
Speaker 1: is admissible, it withstands scrutiny under the federal rules of evidence.
Speaker 1: But for gosh sakes, Danielle, we have Cassidy Hutchinson staying
Speaker 1: out of Donald Trump's mouth, out of the mouth of
Speaker 1: the Orange Horse himself. He said, I don't care that
Speaker 1: my supporters are armed with rifles and pistols. Take down
Speaker 1: the effing metal detectors. Let them in, and then we
Speaker 1: will all march on the Capitol because they're not here
Speaker 1: to hurt me my inference. They're here to hurt the
Speaker 1: people who are certifying my win up my loss up
Speaker 1: the street. Okay, that is directly admissible, incriminating evidence. And
Speaker 1: I don't understand the people who continue to claim that
Speaker 1: the evidence doesn't prove Donald Trump's criminal intent are basically
Speaker 1: moon landing deniers. Now, I'm gonna go with my old boss,
Speaker 1: Eric Holder. After Richard Donohue testified a couple of hearings
Speaker 1: ago that Donald Trump said, I don't care if the
Speaker 1: election wasn't corrupt, just say it was and leave the
Speaker 1: rest to me and my Republican allies in Congress, my
Speaker 1: old US attorney, my old boss, the guy that gave
Speaker 1: me a shot at being a federal prosecutor. Eric Holder
Speaker 1: tweeted out, the evidence of his criminal intent is overwhelming
Speaker 1: and anybody who claims we can't prove it in court,
Speaker 1: that is a laughable claim. And just as you said
Speaker 1: a few minutes ago, you know, the Democrats are always
Speaker 1: running to the camera and saying this and saying that
Speaker 1: Eric Holder, lest we forget, was appointed as a judge
Speaker 1: to the bench in Washington, DC, the Superior Court by
Speaker 1: President Ronald Reagan. Thereafter, yes, he was appointed by Democrats.
Speaker 1: But this is somebody who, if you really want to
Speaker 1: be a thinking person, has enjoyed respect on both sides
Speaker 1: of the aisle until our country lost its mind along
Speaker 1: tribal lines. And you know, there is no straight faced
Speaker 1: argument that a prosecutor cannot prove Donald Trump's corrupt intent.
Speaker 1: The only sticking point. For whatever reason, the Department of
Speaker 1: Justice is about one hundred miles behind the j sixth
Speaker 1: Committee with respect to its investigation. This is something that
Speaker 1: I hope we learned someday that there was a good
Speaker 1: reason for it, would all of the indictments come down
Speaker 1: and everybody's been held accountable. But as of right now,
Speaker 1: I'm left scratching my head because I can't understand how
Speaker 1: DJ is not stepping up to try to hold these
Speaker 1: folks accountable and save our democracy. You know, I you know,
Speaker 1: there are two names, two names that people are are
Speaker 1: throwing around, which is obviously Merrick Garland, but also Lisa
Speaker 1: Monico and saying are these folks are are they are
Speaker 1: they paying attention. One of the things that signal to
Speaker 1: me that to your point, the DJ is one hundred
Speaker 1: miles away is that news had leaked that the DOJ
Speaker 1: was shocked by Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony. And I'm saying, why
Speaker 1: the hell are you? Why hadn't you interviewed her before?
Speaker 1: Why hadn't there been since you all were sworn in
Speaker 1: a series of investigations and you know, and interviews into
Speaker 1: what had been what happened? How did we get to
Speaker 1: January sixth? The last thing that we all heard from
Speaker 1: Merrick Garland was saying, I'll follow the facts where the
Speaker 1: facts lead. But I guess you would have to open
Speaker 1: the door and leave the house in order to get
Speaker 1: on that path. So the thing that people keep saying
Speaker 1: is DJ can't get this wrong. They can't get it wrong, Glenn,
Speaker 1: because everything hangs in the balance. And here's the other
Speaker 1: thing that people keep saying, and I want your answer
Speaker 1: to this, can the country handle a former president being indicted?
Speaker 1: What about the American people? Yeah, So if we decline
Speaker 1: to indict Donald Trump, then Ron de Santis or whoever
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four nominee maybe gets to put our
Speaker 1: nation through everything that Donald Trump put us through and
Speaker 1: then some and he gets to do it with the
Speaker 1: stamp of approval from the Department of Justice, because the
Speaker 1: lack of an indictment of Donald Trump is as good
Speaker 1: as an endorsement from DJ that this is precisely what
Speaker 1: a presidential candidate or a president gets to do when
Speaker 1: seeking office, at which point we're done as a democracy.
Speaker 1: So and you know, when you say DJ can't get
Speaker 1: it wrong, the only way they get it wrong is
Speaker 1: by not bringing charges against criminal politicians. That's the only
Speaker 1: wrong answer. Getting it wrong doesn't mean they indict. They
Speaker 1: go to trial, they fight like hell to win a conviction, honestly, ethically,
Speaker 1: in accordance with the Constitution, the laws, and the rules
Speaker 1: of evidence. And they don't win a conviction. That's not
Speaker 1: getting it wrong, Frankly, that's getting it right. I always
Speaker 1: told my prosecutors it's more important to try cases then
Speaker 1: to win cases. The result is never guaranteed. And there
Speaker 1: are federal prosecutors who are afraid to run the risk
Speaker 1: of an acquittal or a hung jury because they're embarrassed.
Speaker 1: You know, they feel like a failure. You're only a failure.
Speaker 1: I don't going to use the overused cliche, if you
Speaker 1: don't step into the arena and fight for the American people,
Speaker 1: fight for the rule of law, uphold your oath to
Speaker 1: faithfully execute the laws of the country. That's the only
Speaker 1: way you're a failure is if you refuse to take
Speaker 1: the fight into the arena. Remind us again of the
Speaker 1: path that a case like this would take. What are
Speaker 1: the courts that it goes to? Because again, what most
Speaker 1: people who listen to Woke af are afraid of and
Speaker 1: keep asking is if this goes up to the Supreme Court,
Speaker 1: we lose? Right, Like, how do we not lose? We
Speaker 1: know the machination of the Supreme Court, We know that
Speaker 1: they're about power and Republican ideology above all else. So
Speaker 1: do we run the risk of it going up to
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court and getting a rubber stamp of approval.
Speaker 1: So to the extent I can put your listeners minds
Speaker 1: at ease, let me tell you that's not That's one
Speaker 1: of the few things I don't worry about. And here's why.
Speaker 1: First of all, if it comes to a criminal trial,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump can and should be indicted right now for interfering,
Speaker 1: obstructing an official proceeding because he plainly interfered with the
Speaker 1: certification of Joe Biden's win. That's a laid down winner,
Speaker 1: and there are insurrectionists being convicted of that every day
Speaker 1: in the courts of Washington, DC. UM, he can be
Speaker 1: indicted for inciting an insurrection and inciting an armed riot.
Speaker 1: Now we know armed because he knew they were as
Speaker 1: he knew so, and those are two slightly different charges.
Speaker 1: He can be A lesser known charge that we haven't
Speaker 1: talked about much is eighteen USC one eleven, which is
Speaker 1: impeding the duties of a government official. If ever somebody
Speaker 1: impeded the duties of Mike Pence and certifying the election,
Speaker 1: it was Donald Trump. That's an eight year felony. Unless
Speaker 1: you do it while armed, which he did by extension,
Speaker 1: then it's a twenty year felony. He absolutely and I'm
Speaker 1: so glad. I've seen Lawrence Tribe and Morning Joe and
Speaker 1: some of the others say he has committed the offense
Speaker 1: of treason. He levied war. Okay, so this is what
Speaker 1: this is the big one. Treason, that's the big one.
Speaker 1: I don't even care about about seditious conspiracy. I think
Speaker 1: that's a bit tougher at the moment because it's hard
Speaker 1: to prove an agreement. But I just re up the
Speaker 1: video that I put up last April about how this
Speaker 1: is a Hub and Spoke conspiracy. I was thrilled to
Speaker 1: see Andrew Weissman has said that now at an op
Speaker 1: ed piece in the New York Times. So he can
Speaker 1: and should be charged with all of those crimes, and
Speaker 1: I maintain he should be convicted of them all. Where
Speaker 1: does the case go from there, Well, he gets tried
Speaker 1: in the Federal District Court in Washington, DC. His conviction
Speaker 1: would be appealed to the DC Federal Circuit Court of Appeals,
Speaker 1: which I predict will affirm his conviction. Then it goes
Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court. That's what gives us heartburn because
Speaker 1: we know the Supreme Court is compromised. But what the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court cares most about is the Supreme Court's own power.
Speaker 1: And the Supreme Court will look at the conviction of
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, will assess the quality and quantity of the
Speaker 1: evidence that was introduced against him at trial. And I
Speaker 1: would bet the farm, Danielle that they will affirm Donald
Speaker 1: Trump's conviction because if they don't, if they bust his
Speaker 1: conviction and they put him back into the stream of politics.
Speaker 1: He will become a dictator. And you know what, a
Speaker 1: dictator has no need for a Supreme Court. So I
Speaker 1: don't have faith in the honor or ethics of the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court when they are in a position to decide
Speaker 1: a case involving Donald Trump's power. But I think I
Speaker 1: have a low enough estimation of them that they will
Speaker 1: not do anything to install Trump as a dictator, because
Speaker 1: then they run the risk of losing their own supremacy.
Speaker 1: He'll become a dictator, and he'll say, hey, now go
Speaker 1: lock up those justices, because nobody is a top a dictator,
Speaker 1: and in our constitutional construct, the Supreme Court is the
Speaker 1: last spot when declaring what's lawful and constitutional. Donald Trump
Speaker 1: won't like that. That's the same reason I believe the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court did not take up any of Donald Trump's
Speaker 1: election challenges, not because they're great, deep thinking jurists, but
Speaker 1: because they didn't want to run the risk of putting
Speaker 1: themselves out of business. So we then rely on their
Speaker 1: egos in order, not their honor, but their egos. Um
Speaker 1: So here's another question, Glenn, and this is with regard
Speaker 1: to the testimony that we heard from uh Tottenhove, the
Speaker 1: former Proud Boy Uh, and then um the other foot soldier,
Speaker 1: Stephen as Steven Airs. Um. So first I want to
Speaker 1: talk about Jason Tottenhove. Um. He gave a very good
Speaker 1: picture of who the Proud Boys are. That they are
Speaker 1: that January sixth, he said, in his words, was about
Speaker 1: an armed revolution, That they are a power militia group,
Speaker 1: that their desire is domination through fear, authoritarianism, all of
Speaker 1: these things. And he said, let's stop mincing words, right,
Speaker 1: And I thought, finally, let's stop mincing words. Those two
Speaker 1: leaders of the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys are
Speaker 1: up on seditious conspiracy charges because they, by virtue of
Speaker 1: what we learned from the documentarian, did come together with
Speaker 1: an agreement on how they were going to take on
Speaker 1: the capital. But the window that he gave us into
Speaker 1: these organizations, right, tell me why we have no rules
Speaker 1: on the books for white supremacist terrorist organizations. Tell me
Speaker 1: why that we know who they are, we know what
Speaker 1: their intent is. Give me something other than what it
Speaker 1: is that I believe, which is that we never hold
Speaker 1: white supremacy accountable in this country. We didn't designate the
Speaker 1: KKK as a terrorist group, and they were blowing up churches,
Speaker 1: murdering people, and burning crosses on lawns. So I mean,
Speaker 1: what would it take Glenn right to label these groups
Speaker 1: as terrorist organizations? So I maybe am not in the
Speaker 1: mainstream when it comes to people who talk about how
Speaker 1: we have to have more federal statutes on the books
Speaker 1: prohibiting fill in the blank terrorist organizations white supremacy organizations.
Speaker 1: Because we have my big blue, ugly book of crimes
Speaker 1: is right across my office there, the United States Code,
Speaker 1: and there are more federal laws in there than you
Speaker 1: could ever read in one lifetime. Only a fraction of
Speaker 1: them actually ever get charged, and we never repeal any
Speaker 1: We just keep putting more and more and more in there.
Speaker 1: We can enact another batch of one hundred laws outlawing
Speaker 1: white supremacist groups, misogynistic groups, xenophobic groups, Holocaust deniers, you know,
Speaker 1: and if the laws don't get rigorously enforced, what good
Speaker 1: would they do if there was another law on the
Speaker 1: book prohibiting white supremacy. Do you really think that would
Speaker 1: make a dent into white supremacist organizations. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: And here's the other thing. You can be part of
Speaker 1: a hate group. What you can't do is act out
Speaker 1: violently or deprive of others of their rights based on
Speaker 1: your hateful ideology. Unfortunately, the First Amendment protects the right
Speaker 1: to assemble, and you can join any little hate group
Speaker 1: you want. Go sit and have your beers and you know,
Speaker 1: hate on people in your in your little private meetings.
Speaker 1: That is protected speech and protected assembly. But what you
Speaker 1: can't do is act out violently or deprive others of
Speaker 1: their rights. And so we have so many laws on
Speaker 1: the books already, Danielle that if aggressively enforced, would take
Speaker 1: all these idiots out. Legal would take them out using
Speaker 1: the criminal justice system. Problem is, we don't enforce them.
Speaker 1: And I don't want people to think putting more laws
Speaker 1: on the books is what we know. It's enforcing the
Speaker 1: dang laws that are already there that are designed to
Speaker 1: take out, you know, people who are involved in violent
Speaker 1: conduct or depriving others of their rights. More laws don't
Speaker 1: fix that problem in my opinion. No, I mean that's
Speaker 1: that's right. Okay. So finally, then Steven Airs, Yeah, Steven
Speaker 1: Airs was the picture of the foot shoulder. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: had every intent to go support my president. I'm a
Speaker 1: family man. I just went up there because he told
Speaker 1: me to, and I was, you know, caught up. I've
Speaker 1: lost my home and my job, and now I've done
Speaker 1: my own research and I don't necessarily believe you know
Speaker 1: what happened. And I'm sorry about what happened. What how
Speaker 1: did Steven Airs testimony land for you? So this was
Speaker 1: so important, this testimony, But I don't know that everybody
Speaker 1: has the takeaway that I wish they would have. Steven Airs. Now,
Speaker 1: first of all, Steven Airs was going to portray Steven
Speaker 1: Airs in the best life as right. I'm a family man.
Speaker 1: I'm a cabinet maker for twenty years. I mean, who
Speaker 1: can dislike a cabinet maker. I go camping, I play
Speaker 1: ball with my son, all of which may very well
Speaker 1: be true. He also committed crimes by marching on the
Speaker 1: Capitol to try to stop the certification and the transfer
Speaker 1: of presidential power. And there is a deep, deep injustice
Speaker 1: that was exposed through the testimony of Stephen Airs. And
Speaker 1: I will not say we need to cry for Stephen Airs,
Speaker 1: but there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of Stephen Airs,
Speaker 1: some more violent than him. He allegedly didn't perpetrate any violence.
Speaker 1: He did commit crimes, though, and they are being convicted,
Speaker 1: They are being imprisoned, they are being punished, They are
Speaker 1: suffering the consequences of a felony conviction on their record
Speaker 1: and all that comes with it. Appropriately so for the
Speaker 1: decisions that they made. Hundreds of these people, Danielle are
Speaker 1: being held accountable. But the person who orchestrated it, who
Speaker 1: set the date of the attack, who ordered the armed attack,
Speaker 1: is walking around golfing, contemplating a run for president, going
Speaker 1: to hate rallies, continuing to push the big lie, and
Speaker 1: encouraging people to continue to act in their daily lives
Speaker 1: based on the big lie that is as deep and
Speaker 1: unfair and injustice as is presently going on in our
Speaker 1: Department of Justice. That the steven Heirs of the world
Speaker 1: are being convicted, imprisoned, and held accountable, and the leader,
Speaker 1: the hitman who sent them there, as Harry Dunn said
Speaker 1: one year ago, now is footloose and fancy free and
Speaker 1: contemplating a run for the presidency so we can do
Speaker 1: it all over again. This makes my mind explode. There's
Speaker 1: no justice if there's not equal justice, and there has
Speaker 1: been no equal justice on any number of fronts, the
Speaker 1: racial front most directly forever in this country. This is
Speaker 1: another kind of deep injustice going on when the insurrectionists
Speaker 1: are being held accountable, but the person who ordered to
Speaker 1: hit is not. I can't abide this, and this is
Speaker 1: why last night on Laurence O'Donnell i started with, you know,
Speaker 1: we are a nation, a drift in a sea of
Speaker 1: unaddressed lawlessness, and that ship's not to change right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's it that, I mean, that is it
Speaker 1: a drift in a sea of lawlessness. And you know,
Speaker 1: those of us looking around for the Department of Justice
Speaker 1: to pull us in, to drop anchor to make it
Speaker 1: seem as if, you know, give us, give us a lifeline,
Speaker 1: give us something, you know, so that we can feel
Speaker 1: a bit of hope, right that something that the justice
Speaker 1: and the law, rule of law can be restored, because
Speaker 1: to your point, if it is not, if there is
Speaker 1: no conviction, if there is no accountability, responsibility at the
Speaker 1: highest echelons, then all the Department of Justice has done
Speaker 1: is give a good housekeeping stamp to the next iteration
Speaker 1: of Donald Trump to be more forceful and worse, and
Speaker 1: guess what, there'll be no precedent to say you can't
Speaker 1: do that, that is illegal, that's not the conduct of
Speaker 1: the executive branch. It'll be like you said nothing last time.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to keep pushing the limits. Hello, everybody
Speaker 1: will go back and listen to Harry Dunne Us police
Speaker 1: officer Harry Dunn's testimony from almost one year ago to
Speaker 1: the day at the first j six public hearing, where
Speaker 1: he said he talked about how they beat it. They
Speaker 1: beat him, they degraded him, they were hurling racial epithets
Speaker 1: at him all the while He's trying to protect the
Speaker 1: lives of the people in the capitol. And he said
Speaker 1: a hit man sent them there to do that. And
Speaker 1: there will be no justice, no peace for Harry until
Speaker 1: he is held accountable. And he has not been held accountable.
Speaker 1: And you know, I hope everybody goes back and listens
Speaker 1: to that, because that's what this is all about. It's
Speaker 1: not about the Stephen Airs. It's about the Donald Trumps
Speaker 1: and the Eastman's and the Bannons and the Giulianis and
Speaker 1: the Flynns and the Powells, Howels and the Clarks and
Speaker 1: the rest of them. That's what this is all about.
Speaker 1: And not one second of accountability has visited any of
Speaker 1: those people, and that is intolerable until every single person
Speaker 1: that was in that room on Thisber eighteenth that was
Speaker 1: concocting the plan from Mark Meadows looking for the constitutional
Speaker 1: loopholes to everyone else saying martial law sees the machines
Speaker 1: put out the military until every single one of those
Speaker 1: people are indicted. Our country, our justice, our democracy is
Speaker 1: a drift, and at some point the Department of Justice
Speaker 1: becomes an accomplice to what happened on January sixth, barring
Speaker 1: any action from them. As always, Glenn, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for spending time with us to walk us through
Speaker 1: where we are. We have. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: going to be the last hearing, but we have another
Speaker 1: one coming before Congress takes recess in August, so I
Speaker 1: look forward to your recap of that as well. Appreciate you.
Speaker 1: I'll see you next week. Danielle. Thanks, Hey, I'm David.
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