1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wikay Up Daily with 2 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: me your girl Danielle Moody recording from the bunker you know, folks. 3 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: This week we will get prepared for the eighth hearing 4 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: by the January sixth Committee, and the past seven have 5 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: been absolutely jaw dropping, and on this episode we circle 6 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: back with our friend Glenn Kirshner to discuss what stood 7 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: out for him with the seventh Congressional hearing and where 8 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: the fuck the DOJ is. The thing that I have 9 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: always appreciated about the past two years of conversations weekly 10 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: with Glenn is how honest and fourth right he has 11 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: been in one his understanding of the numerous amounts of 12 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: crimes that Donald Trump the Trump administration committed over its 13 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 1: four year tenure, and then the subsequent crimes that were 14 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: committed after he lost the twenty twenty election and was 15 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,639 Speaker 1: working over time to hold onto power. Glenns laid out 16 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: in so many ways in which the Department of Justice 17 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 1: should in fact take action. And where we start out 18 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: today is where Glenn is just like, I mean, how 19 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,199 Speaker 1: many smoking guns do you need at this point does 20 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice need to activate? And I ask him, 21 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: you know, the questions that annoy me that are consistently 22 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: asked on cable news about you know, the sloth like, 23 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: glacial like pace of this Department of Justice and what 24 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: he thinks right that they are waiting for. And you know, 25 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: I got to tell you that my patience, as you 26 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: all know because you've been listening to me for quite 27 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: some time, is real thin, and it's pretty much fucking 28 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: translucent at this point when it comes to the Department 29 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: of Justice, because what came up from me with the 30 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: League after the Cassidy Hutchinson testimony was that the Department 31 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: of Justice was taken aback because they had no idea 32 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: of any of the things that Cassidy offered up to 33 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: the committee. And I'm like, where the fuck have you 34 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: guys been for the last eighteen months? Like seriously, when 35 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: Merritt Garland took to the podium in recognition of the 36 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: anniversary of the assault on our democracy, he said that 37 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: he would follow the facts wherever the facts led him, 38 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: and however high up they led him. And I say 39 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: to Glenn on this episode, well, one would need to 40 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: leave their fucking house and actually open up the goddamn 41 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: door and to follow facts any which way. But if 42 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: you continue to bury your head in the sand, or 43 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: better yet, find yourself in the Ukraine talking about Russian 44 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: oligarchs and what it is that this Department of Justice 45 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: is doing to protect Ukrainian democracy, But you don't have 46 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: the same fucking base in your voice for American oligarchs 47 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: in the way in which you have allowed and enabled, 48 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: in fact, the wealthy in this country, the white in 49 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: this country, to be able to crime and broad fucking daylight. 50 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,519 Speaker 1: And the only people that are being held accountable are 51 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: the Stephen Ayres of the world, the foot soldiers, the 52 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: ones that quote unquote got caught up and wanting to 53 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: believe what their president had said, And now after you've 54 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: lost your home and your job, are like, oh, maybe 55 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: he was a fucking crook and a liar, right, and 56 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: a fucking grifter. Now I'm putting words into Stephen Ayre's mouth. 57 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: And look, folks, I am the last person that feels 58 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: bad for any of these people that find themselves now 59 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: jobless or facing time and actual prison for betraying their country. 60 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm like, you know, the 61 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: Department of Justice has arrested and in you know, over 62 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: eight hundred people, right, and many of them have gotten 63 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: slaps on the wrists or warnings or this, that and 64 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: the other thing, all because you know they're white. Like, 65 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: let's just be real, we actually understand and know to 66 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 1: be true that if these were people of color, they 67 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: would be thrown under the jail and there would be 68 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: all these talks about, you know, the preservation of democracy 69 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: and you know, law and order and all of these 70 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: things that pertain only to people of color and never 71 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: pertain to white people. And so you know, this Department 72 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:46,239 Speaker 1: of Justice. When you listen to this interview with Glenn, 73 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: even somebody who has worked inside of the department, who 74 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: still has friends and colleagues in this space, you can 75 00:04:54,960 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 1: hear that he is running out of patience, right. And 76 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: this is somebody who's spent thirty years doing federal prosecution 77 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: and really believes in the justice system. But you will 78 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: hear Glenn say that laws are only as good as 79 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: the people that are willing to enforce them. So we 80 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: can talk about, you know, the creation of new laws, 81 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: which I do ask him about with regard to domestic 82 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: terrorism in this country, and believing that we actually do 83 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: need statutes on the books that go after and can 84 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: readily prosecute groups like the Oathkeepers and the Proud Boys. 85 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: But the reality is that we have really good laws, 86 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 1: but we don't have the willingness and the desire to 87 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: hold everybody to the same set of laws. And that 88 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: is becoming clearer and clearer by the day. There is 89 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: no way out of this situation that America finds itself in, 90 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: which is, you know, just headed off of a cliff 91 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: right without accountability. You know, there are questions that continue 92 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,119 Speaker 1: to be asked, and I did a TikTok video about 93 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: it the other day, which is, you know, would it 94 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: hurt the country to prosecute Donald Trump? It's gonna fucking 95 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: the country's going to be done if we don't prosecute 96 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and every single person that made themselves available 97 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: in that fucking unhinged, crazy ass meeting on December eighteenth. 98 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: If these people the architects, right, the master minds, which 99 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: their minds are not masterfull of a goddamn thing but 100 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:36,239 Speaker 1: QAnon theories. But I digress. The people who put these 101 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: ideas and the insurrection into motion. If all that is 102 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: prosecuted are the people that entered the building instead of 103 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: the people that opened the door, gave them the key 104 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: and shook them up and sent them and weaponize the 105 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: crowd and sent them in that direction. Then our democracy 106 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: is done. And you know that isn't hyperbolic at this point, 107 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 1: Like you were watching what this overlord or Supreme Court 108 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: is doing. You were seeing day in and day out, 109 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: what Republican governors are working to do. And so if 110 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: there is no accountability for the crimes that Donald Trump 111 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: and company have committed, then what do you think is 112 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: going to happen when a Republican becomes president of the 113 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,119 Speaker 1: United States again? I'll tell you It'll be the last 114 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: fucking presidential election, plain and simple. You know, folks have 115 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: eyes on twenty twenty four talking about whether or not 116 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: Biden should run, and I'm like, your eyes should be 117 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: fixated on November twenty twenty two, right and right now, 118 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: Democrats are not polling well and why would they, right, 119 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: why would they be polling well? And people keep telling me, well, 120 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: you know, you shouldn't go after Democrats and you should 121 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: really set your targets on Republicans and I said, and 122 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: to that, I say, Republicans have always shown us who 123 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: the fuck they are. Republicans have never minced words or 124 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: try to convince us they are people that believe in 125 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: equity and justice for every single American in this country. 126 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: They do not. They make no qualms about that. So 127 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: my qualms are with the people who say that they 128 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: are of the people and then turn their back on 129 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: them or do what the outgoing White House Director of 130 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: Communications did, which is throw those activists, those people that 131 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: are on the front lines of said movements under the 132 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: bus and say that we're the ones that find ourselves 133 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: out of step with the Democratic establishment. Well not according 134 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: to the fucking polls. So if this administration and this 135 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: Democratic Party doesn't begin to actually take the pulse of 136 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: the people, they're going to find themselves out of fucking 137 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: jobs and we're going to find ourselves in an autocracy, 138 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: plain and simple. Coming up next, my conversation with our 139 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: friend Glenn Kirshner. Indisputable with Doctor Rashid Ricci is one 140 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: of the latest shows on the TYT network and also 141 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: the fastest growing news show in America. 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I get excited because somebody makes me feel 166 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: less crazy than I feel after each and every one 167 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: of these public hearings that happen, Glenn. So we have 168 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: all now at this point experienced over and over again 169 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: the seventh hearing. We don't know if it's going to 170 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: be the last hearing, but we do know that it 171 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: is at least the seventh and in this one, much 172 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: like the previous hearings, bombshell after bombshell, just more insight 173 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: into the mindset of Donald Trump, into the fact that 174 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, this insurrection was not an accident. It was 175 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: not people, It was the foot soldiers being caught up 176 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: in the moment, but it was well strategized ahead of time, 177 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 1: and Donald Trump was at the center of that strategy. 178 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: So before we jump into specifics, I just want to 179 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: ask you, what are some of the things that stood 180 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: out to you that we learned with this seventh hearing 181 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: that came a lot from the mouth of White House 182 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: Council Pat Sippoloni. You know, we learned about that insane 183 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: battle Royal in and around the Oval Office between I 184 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: don't want to call them the adults in the room, 185 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: maybe the aspiring adults in the room, Sippoloni and Hirshman, who, 186 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: make no mistake about it, this is a team that 187 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: enabled Donald Trump for a very long time and who 188 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: refused to step forward and try to save the democracy 189 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: from Donald Trump for years. But they were the adults 190 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,719 Speaker 1: in the room as compared to Team Crazy, the QAnon 191 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: crew of Flynn and Juliani and Powell and what became 192 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: so painfully obvious and reinforced, you know, because we already 193 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: knew that Donald Trump didn't care at all about facts 194 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: or evidence supporting claims of election fraud. There was a 195 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: beautiful exchange between Powell and Hirshman when Powell said, you 196 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: know all this fraud and there's you know, Hugo Chavis 197 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 1: and the Nesta Thermostats and the Italian authorities, all this ridiculousness. 198 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: And Hirschman said, you need to show us some eviden, 199 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: some facts. And he said, you lost every single court 200 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: challenge you brought because you had no evidence. And Powell said, well, 201 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: that's because all of the judges are corrupt and Hirschmann said, well, well, 202 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: even the ones reappointed. But it became clear Donald Trump 203 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: didn't want evidence, didn't need evidence, didn't care about evidence. 204 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: He was determined to hold on to power by any 205 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: means necessary. So at the end of that battle Royale, 206 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: which culminated with Rudy Giuliani being escorted out so he 207 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: wouldn't sneak back into the White House, Donald Trump sent 208 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: the tweet that set the date for the Capitol attack, 209 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: and it was on. He'd run out of all other 210 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: options and it was time to retain power by violence. 211 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: You know, how many more smoking guns do we need? 212 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure we're going to get more smoking guns in 213 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 1: the upcoming hearing this Thursday. How many more do we 214 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: need before DJ acts? I mean, Glenn, this is the 215 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: I mean this, that's the question, Royal, right, this is 216 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: the question that you know, since the first hearing, we've 217 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: all been asking every rational person that's been paying attention, who, 218 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: unlike yourself, does not have a law degree and does 219 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: not have a career in federal prosecution. But I'm looking 220 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: around and I'm saying, God, damn, I'm pretty sure a 221 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: firstly year a law student could get this wrapped up 222 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: I mean you you have you have intent because I 223 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: guess here's what I will say. Here's here's a question 224 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: that I will ask, right, because every time that a 225 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: prosecutor or a former Obama person is on is on 226 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: cable news, the question is asked. You know about the 227 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: fact that the difference between information being laid out and evidence, 228 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: the difference between being able to show actual criminal intent, 229 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: because then you have to show what Donald Trump thought. 230 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: You tell me, has the committee not been able to 231 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: show absolute intent? And now, just what broke at the 232 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: end of the week is that guess who else is corrupt? 233 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: The entirety of the Secret Service that deleted all of 234 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: their text messages between January fifth and January sixth. Oh, 235 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: that's not suspicious at all. Yeah. First of all, information 236 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: is evidence and evidence is information. Yes, we have to 237 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: make sure that when we introduce something in court it 238 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: is admissible, it withstands scrutiny under the federal rules of evidence. 239 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: But for gosh sakes, Danielle, we have Cassidy Hutchinson staying 240 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: out of Donald Trump's mouth, out of the mouth of 241 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: the Orange Horse himself. He said, I don't care that 242 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: my supporters are armed with rifles and pistols. Take down 243 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: the effing metal detectors. Let them in, and then we 244 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: will all march on the Capitol because they're not here 245 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: to hurt me my inference. They're here to hurt the 246 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: people who are certifying my win up my loss up 247 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: the street. Okay, that is directly admissible, incriminating evidence. And 248 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: I don't understand the people who continue to claim that 249 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: the evidence doesn't prove Donald Trump's criminal intent are basically 250 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: moon landing deniers. Now, I'm gonna go with my old boss, 251 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: Eric Holder. After Richard Donohue testified a couple of hearings 252 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: ago that Donald Trump said, I don't care if the 253 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: election wasn't corrupt, just say it was and leave the 254 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: rest to me and my Republican allies in Congress, my 255 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: old US attorney, my old boss, the guy that gave 256 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: me a shot at being a federal prosecutor. Eric Holder 257 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: tweeted out, the evidence of his criminal intent is overwhelming 258 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: and anybody who claims we can't prove it in court, 259 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: that is a laughable claim. And just as you said 260 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: a few minutes ago, you know, the Democrats are always 261 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: running to the camera and saying this and saying that 262 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: Eric Holder, lest we forget, was appointed as a judge 263 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: to the bench in Washington, DC, the Superior Court by 264 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: President Ronald Reagan. Thereafter, yes, he was appointed by Democrats. 265 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 1: But this is somebody who, if you really want to 266 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: be a thinking person, has enjoyed respect on both sides 267 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: of the aisle until our country lost its mind along 268 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: tribal lines. And you know, there is no straight faced 269 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: argument that a prosecutor cannot prove Donald Trump's corrupt intent. 270 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: The only sticking point. For whatever reason, the Department of 271 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: Justice is about one hundred miles behind the j sixth 272 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: Committee with respect to its investigation. This is something that 273 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: I hope we learned someday that there was a good 274 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: reason for it, would all of the indictments come down 275 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: and everybody's been held accountable. But as of right now, 276 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: I'm left scratching my head because I can't understand how 277 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: DJ is not stepping up to try to hold these 278 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: folks accountable and save our democracy. You know, I you know, 279 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 1: there are two names, two names that people are are 280 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 1: throwing around, which is obviously Merrick Garland, but also Lisa 281 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: Monico and saying are these folks are are they are 282 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: they paying attention. One of the things that signal to 283 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: me that to your point, the DJ is one hundred 284 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 1: miles away is that news had leaked that the DOJ 285 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: was shocked by Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony. And I'm saying, why 286 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: the hell are you? Why hadn't you interviewed her before? 287 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 1: Why hadn't there been since you all were sworn in 288 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: a series of investigations and you know, and interviews into 289 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: what had been what happened? How did we get to 290 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: January sixth? The last thing that we all heard from 291 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 1: Merrick Garland was saying, I'll follow the facts where the 292 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: facts lead. But I guess you would have to open 293 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 1: the door and leave the house in order to get 294 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: on that path. So the thing that people keep saying 295 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: is DJ can't get this wrong. They can't get it wrong, Glenn, 296 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: because everything hangs in the balance. And here's the other 297 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: thing that people keep saying, and I want your answer 298 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: to this, can the country handle a former president being indicted? 299 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: What about the American people? Yeah, So if we decline 300 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: to indict Donald Trump, then Ron de Santis or whoever 301 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four nominee maybe gets to put our 302 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 1: nation through everything that Donald Trump put us through and 303 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: then some and he gets to do it with the 304 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: stamp of approval from the Department of Justice, because the 305 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: lack of an indictment of Donald Trump is as good 306 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: as an endorsement from DJ that this is precisely what 307 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: a presidential candidate or a president gets to do when 308 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: seeking office, at which point we're done as a democracy. 309 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: So and you know, when you say DJ can't get 310 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: it wrong, the only way they get it wrong is 311 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: by not bringing charges against criminal politicians. That's the only 312 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: wrong answer. Getting it wrong doesn't mean they indict. They 313 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: go to trial, they fight like hell to win a conviction, honestly, ethically, 314 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: in accordance with the Constitution, the laws, and the rules 315 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 1: of evidence. And they don't win a conviction. That's not 316 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: getting it wrong, Frankly, that's getting it right. I always 317 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: told my prosecutors it's more important to try cases then 318 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: to win cases. The result is never guaranteed. And there 319 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: are federal prosecutors who are afraid to run the risk 320 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: of an acquittal or a hung jury because they're embarrassed. 321 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: You know, they feel like a failure. You're only a failure. 322 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: I don't going to use the overused cliche, if you 323 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: don't step into the arena and fight for the American people, 324 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: fight for the rule of law, uphold your oath to 325 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: faithfully execute the laws of the country. That's the only 326 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: way you're a failure is if you refuse to take 327 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: the fight into the arena. Remind us again of the 328 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: path that a case like this would take. What are 329 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 1: the courts that it goes to? Because again, what most 330 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: people who listen to Woke af are afraid of and 331 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: keep asking is if this goes up to the Supreme Court, 332 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: we lose? Right, Like, how do we not lose? We 333 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: know the machination of the Supreme Court, We know that 334 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: they're about power and Republican ideology above all else. So 335 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: do we run the risk of it going up to 336 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court and getting a rubber stamp of approval. 337 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: So to the extent I can put your listeners minds 338 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: at ease, let me tell you that's not That's one 339 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: of the few things I don't worry about. And here's why. 340 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: First of all, if it comes to a criminal trial, 341 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: Donald Trump can and should be indicted right now for interfering, 342 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: obstructing an official proceeding because he plainly interfered with the 343 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 1: certification of Joe Biden's win. That's a laid down winner, 344 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: and there are insurrectionists being convicted of that every day 345 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: in the courts of Washington, DC. UM, he can be 346 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: indicted for inciting an insurrection and inciting an armed riot. 347 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: Now we know armed because he knew they were as 348 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: he knew so, and those are two slightly different charges. 349 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: He can be A lesser known charge that we haven't 350 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: talked about much is eighteen USC one eleven, which is 351 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 1: impeding the duties of a government official. If ever somebody 352 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: impeded the duties of Mike Pence and certifying the election, 353 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: it was Donald Trump. That's an eight year felony. Unless 354 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: you do it while armed, which he did by extension, 355 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: then it's a twenty year felony. He absolutely and I'm 356 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: so glad. I've seen Lawrence Tribe and Morning Joe and 357 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: some of the others say he has committed the offense 358 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: of treason. He levied war. Okay, so this is what 359 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: this is the big one. Treason, that's the big one. 360 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: I don't even care about about seditious conspiracy. I think 361 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: that's a bit tougher at the moment because it's hard 362 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 1: to prove an agreement. But I just re up the 363 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: video that I put up last April about how this 364 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: is a Hub and Spoke conspiracy. I was thrilled to 365 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: see Andrew Weissman has said that now at an op 366 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 1: ed piece in the New York Times. So he can 367 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: and should be charged with all of those crimes, and 368 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: I maintain he should be convicted of them all. Where 369 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 1: does the case go from there, Well, he gets tried 370 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 1: in the Federal District Court in Washington, DC. His conviction 371 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: would be appealed to the DC Federal Circuit Court of Appeals, 372 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 1: which I predict will affirm his conviction. Then it goes 373 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court. That's what gives us heartburn because 374 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: we know the Supreme Court is compromised. But what the 375 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: Supreme Court cares most about is the Supreme Court's own power. 376 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: And the Supreme Court will look at the conviction of 377 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, will assess the quality and quantity of the 378 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: evidence that was introduced against him at trial. And I 379 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: would bet the farm, Danielle that they will affirm Donald 380 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: Trump's conviction because if they don't, if they bust his 381 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: conviction and they put him back into the stream of politics. 382 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: He will become a dictator. And you know what, a 383 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: dictator has no need for a Supreme Court. So I 384 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: don't have faith in the honor or ethics of the 385 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: Supreme Court when they are in a position to decide 386 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: a case involving Donald Trump's power. But I think I 387 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: have a low enough estimation of them that they will 388 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: not do anything to install Trump as a dictator, because 389 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: then they run the risk of losing their own supremacy. 390 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: He'll become a dictator, and he'll say, hey, now go 391 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: lock up those justices, because nobody is a top a dictator, 392 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: and in our constitutional construct, the Supreme Court is the 393 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: last spot when declaring what's lawful and constitutional. Donald Trump 394 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: won't like that. That's the same reason I believe the 395 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: Supreme Court did not take up any of Donald Trump's 396 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: election challenges, not because they're great, deep thinking jurists, but 397 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: because they didn't want to run the risk of putting 398 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: themselves out of business. So we then rely on their 399 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:32,479 Speaker 1: egos in order, not their honor, but their egos. Um 400 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 1: So here's another question, Glenn, and this is with regard 401 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: to the testimony that we heard from uh Tottenhove, the 402 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: former Proud Boy Uh, and then um the other foot soldier, 403 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 1: Stephen as Steven Airs. Um. So first I want to 404 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: talk about Jason Tottenhove. Um. He gave a very good 405 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: picture of who the Proud Boys are. That they are 406 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: that January sixth, he said, in his words, was about 407 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: an armed revolution, That they are a power militia group, 408 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: that their desire is domination through fear, authoritarianism, all of 409 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 1: these things. And he said, let's stop mincing words, right, 410 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: And I thought, finally, let's stop mincing words. Those two 411 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: leaders of the Oath Keepers and the Proud Boys are 412 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 1: up on seditious conspiracy charges because they, by virtue of 413 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: what we learned from the documentarian, did come together with 414 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: an agreement on how they were going to take on 415 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: the capital. But the window that he gave us into 416 00:27:55,000 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: these organizations, right, tell me why we have no rules 417 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: on the books for white supremacist terrorist organizations. Tell me 418 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 1: why that we know who they are, we know what 419 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: their intent is. Give me something other than what it 420 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: is that I believe, which is that we never hold 421 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: white supremacy accountable in this country. We didn't designate the 422 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: KKK as a terrorist group, and they were blowing up churches, 423 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 1: murdering people, and burning crosses on lawns. So I mean, 424 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: what would it take Glenn right to label these groups 425 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:39,239 Speaker 1: as terrorist organizations? So I maybe am not in the 426 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: mainstream when it comes to people who talk about how 427 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: we have to have more federal statutes on the books 428 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: prohibiting fill in the blank terrorist organizations white supremacy organizations. 429 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: Because we have my big blue, ugly book of crimes 430 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: is right across my office there, the United States Code, 431 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: and there are more federal laws in there than you 432 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: could ever read in one lifetime. Only a fraction of 433 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: them actually ever get charged, and we never repeal any 434 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: We just keep putting more and more and more in there. 435 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: We can enact another batch of one hundred laws outlawing 436 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: white supremacist groups, misogynistic groups, xenophobic groups, Holocaust deniers, you know, 437 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: and if the laws don't get rigorously enforced, what good 438 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: would they do if there was another law on the 439 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: book prohibiting white supremacy. Do you really think that would 440 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: make a dent into white supremacist organizations. I don't think so. 441 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: And here's the other thing. You can be part of 442 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: a hate group. What you can't do is act out 443 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: violently or deprive of others of their rights based on 444 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: your hateful ideology. Unfortunately, the First Amendment protects the right 445 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: to assemble, and you can join any little hate group 446 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: you want. Go sit and have your beers and you know, 447 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: hate on people in your in your little private meetings. 448 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: That is protected speech and protected assembly. But what you 449 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: can't do is act out violently or deprive others of 450 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: their rights. And so we have so many laws on 451 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: the books already, Danielle that if aggressively enforced, would take 452 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: all these idiots out. Legal would take them out using 453 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: the criminal justice system. Problem is, we don't enforce them. 454 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: And I don't want people to think putting more laws 455 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: on the books is what we know. It's enforcing the 456 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: dang laws that are already there that are designed to 457 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: take out, you know, people who are involved in violent 458 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: conduct or depriving others of their rights. More laws don't 459 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: fix that problem in my opinion. No, I mean that's 460 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: that's right. Okay. So finally, then Steven Airs, Yeah, Steven 461 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: Airs was the picture of the foot shoulder. Yeah, I 462 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: had every intent to go support my president. I'm a 463 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: family man. I just went up there because he told 464 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: me to, and I was, you know, caught up. I've 465 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: lost my home and my job, and now I've done 466 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: my own research and I don't necessarily believe you know 467 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: what happened. And I'm sorry about what happened. What how 468 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: did Steven Airs testimony land for you? So this was 469 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: so important, this testimony, But I don't know that everybody 470 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: has the takeaway that I wish they would have. Steven Airs. Now, 471 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: first of all, Steven Airs was going to portray Steven 472 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: Airs in the best life as right. I'm a family man. 473 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: I'm a cabinet maker for twenty years. I mean, who 474 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: can dislike a cabinet maker. I go camping, I play 475 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: ball with my son, all of which may very well 476 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: be true. He also committed crimes by marching on the 477 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: Capitol to try to stop the certification and the transfer 478 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: of presidential power. And there is a deep, deep injustice 479 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: that was exposed through the testimony of Stephen Airs. And 480 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: I will not say we need to cry for Stephen Airs, 481 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: but there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of Stephen Airs, 482 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: some more violent than him. He allegedly didn't perpetrate any violence. 483 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: He did commit crimes, though, and they are being convicted, 484 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: They are being imprisoned, they are being punished, They are 485 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: suffering the consequences of a felony conviction on their record 486 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: and all that comes with it. Appropriately so for the 487 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: decisions that they made. Hundreds of these people, Danielle are 488 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: being held accountable. But the person who orchestrated it, who 489 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: set the date of the attack, who ordered the armed attack, 490 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: is walking around golfing, contemplating a run for president, going 491 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: to hate rallies, continuing to push the big lie, and 492 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: encouraging people to continue to act in their daily lives 493 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: based on the big lie that is as deep and 494 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: unfair and injustice as is presently going on in our 495 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: Department of Justice. That the steven Heirs of the world 496 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: are being convicted, imprisoned, and held accountable, and the leader, 497 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: the hitman who sent them there, as Harry Dunn said 498 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: one year ago, now is footloose and fancy free and 499 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: contemplating a run for the presidency so we can do 500 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,800 Speaker 1: it all over again. This makes my mind explode. There's 501 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,879 Speaker 1: no justice if there's not equal justice, and there has 502 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: been no equal justice on any number of fronts, the 503 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: racial front most directly forever in this country. This is 504 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: another kind of deep injustice going on when the insurrectionists 505 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: are being held accountable, but the person who ordered to 506 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: hit is not. I can't abide this, and this is 507 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: why last night on Laurence O'Donnell i started with, you know, 508 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,799 Speaker 1: we are a nation, a drift in a sea of 509 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 1: unaddressed lawlessness, and that ship's not to change right now. Yeah, 510 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: I mean, that's it that, I mean, that is it 511 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 1: a drift in a sea of lawlessness. And you know, 512 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 1: those of us looking around for the Department of Justice 513 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: to pull us in, to drop anchor to make it 514 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 1: seem as if, you know, give us, give us a lifeline, 515 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 1: give us something, you know, so that we can feel 516 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,760 Speaker 1: a bit of hope, right that something that the justice 517 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: and the law, rule of law can be restored, because 518 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 1: to your point, if it is not, if there is 519 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: no conviction, if there is no accountability, responsibility at the 520 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: highest echelons, then all the Department of Justice has done 521 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 1: is give a good housekeeping stamp to the next iteration 522 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 1: of Donald Trump to be more forceful and worse, and 523 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: guess what, there'll be no precedent to say you can't 524 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: do that, that is illegal, that's not the conduct of 525 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: the executive branch. It'll be like you said nothing last time. 526 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: So I'm going to keep pushing the limits. Hello, everybody 527 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: will go back and listen to Harry Dunne Us police 528 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 1: officer Harry Dunn's testimony from almost one year ago to 529 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,919 Speaker 1: the day at the first j six public hearing, where 530 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: he said he talked about how they beat it. They 531 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: beat him, they degraded him, they were hurling racial epithets 532 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 1: at him all the while He's trying to protect the 533 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: lives of the people in the capitol. And he said 534 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: a hit man sent them there to do that. And 535 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,720 Speaker 1: there will be no justice, no peace for Harry until 536 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: he is held accountable. And he has not been held accountable. 537 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 1: And you know, I hope everybody goes back and listens 538 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: to that, because that's what this is all about. It's 539 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: not about the Stephen Airs. It's about the Donald Trumps 540 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: and the Eastman's and the Bannons and the Giulianis and 541 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 1: the Flynns and the Powells, Howels and the Clarks and 542 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: the rest of them. That's what this is all about. 543 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,319 Speaker 1: And not one second of accountability has visited any of 544 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: those people, and that is intolerable until every single person 545 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 1: that was in that room on Thisber eighteenth that was 546 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 1: concocting the plan from Mark Meadows looking for the constitutional 547 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 1: loopholes to everyone else saying martial law sees the machines 548 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,800 Speaker 1: put out the military until every single one of those 549 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: people are indicted. Our country, our justice, our democracy is 550 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 1: a drift, and at some point the Department of Justice 551 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 1: becomes an accomplice to what happened on January sixth, barring 552 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 1: any action from them. As always, Glenn, thank you so 553 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,080 Speaker 1: much for spending time with us to walk us through 554 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: where we are. We have. I don't know if it's 555 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,760 Speaker 1: going to be the last hearing, but we have another 556 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: one coming before Congress takes recess in August, so I 557 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: look forward to your recap of that as well. Appreciate you. 558 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 1: I'll see you next week. Danielle. 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