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Speaker 3: Forty five minutes tarty, because I thought we were doing

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Speaker 2: But I hope you guys enjoyed the All Star break.

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Speaker 3: I can't talk about the boating that I did, but

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Speaker 1: We did the whole nine yards. It was fun.

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Speaker 2: my sister and brother in law's house up up north.

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Speaker 2: We called up here up north, up north. First time

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Speaker 2: been on a lake on a lake, Yes, on a

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Speaker 2: They did not want to leave it. And they said

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Speaker 2: I hope everybody is doing well. Phillies resume action Friday

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Speaker 2: night against the Angels. Three game series against the Angels,

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Speaker 2: and everybody, of course is talking about the trade deadline,

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Speaker 2: and I think that's kind of where we should start

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Speaker 2: trade deadline and a lot of speculation on what the

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Speaker 2: Phillies will get, what they might do. Do they go

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Speaker 2: for just the closer? Do they go for a couple relievers?

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Speaker 2: Do they go for a corner outfield bat Rubyan, What

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Speaker 2: do you think they are going? What do you think

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Speaker 2: that they should do? What do you think they will do.

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Speaker 3: I think they're gonna get at least one closure type reliever,

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Speaker 3: and I think they're gonna get another one for depth.

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Speaker 3: I do believe that they're gonna go for two and

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Speaker 3: they're gonna be aggressive. And I understand from hearing through

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Speaker 3: the grapevine that they're being very aggressive and should be

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Speaker 3: because they have a good enough team to win the

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Speaker 3: World Series. They have the talented enough team to win

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Speaker 3: the World Series. They have not hit enough. I understand that,

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Speaker 3: and they need to and you got to be hopeful

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Speaker 3: that the boys do step forward.

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Speaker 1: But they got a.

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Speaker 3: Rotation that that you know, that really is the best

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Speaker 3: I think in the game, and they got to take

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Speaker 4: Yeah, gotta And you know, as much as we talked

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Speaker 4: about the offense. To me, it's bullpen bullpen bullpen. I

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Speaker 4: mean power armored to back, dominant arm closer type you

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Speaker 2: So the whole, you know, the whole setup got messed up.

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Speaker 2: So I think they, yeah, they could get at least

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Speaker 2: deadline today and we put together a nice little list,

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Speaker 2: a big list, and we're just going to run through

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Speaker 2: this list guys and just kind of want to get

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Speaker 2: your opinions on it. Do these guys give you a

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Speaker 2: flow or do they give you no flow? That's the question.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to run down this list just you know,

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Speaker 2: just you like it, right, flow means you like it.

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Speaker 1: And let's let's.

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Speaker 2: Start, because we got to get a closer. You gotta

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Speaker 2: The guy with an a eraldous Chapman.

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Speaker 4: Flow, flow flow, but he's having a great flow. He's

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Speaker 4: They want ten in a row. Probably not going anywhere

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Speaker 4: at this point. I mean, how the Red Sox can

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Speaker 4: the year. Phillis would rather have a guy they can control.

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Speaker 4: Gotta like him. Think he'd be dynamite here. But I

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Speaker 3: I love that heavy flow. I don't think that he

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Speaker 1: Fall out of it.

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Speaker 3: But now that they've traded Raffi Devers, they can't show

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Speaker 2: And you're and you're hot rolling in the season end

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Speaker 2: here we go, righty, Felix Bautista from Baltimore. That's flow action, major.

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Speaker 4: Big flow.

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Speaker 3: But I don't, you know, the guy doesn't have the

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Speaker 1: You know, postseason play right, I think that they.

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Speaker 3: He was basically was he not hurt when these guys

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Speaker 4: Mean me either. I think he is like one of

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Speaker 4: He's got two more years of control, which is huge,

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Speaker 4: you want to have him around for a couple of years,

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Speaker 4: striking out twelve point eight per nine innings. Had some

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Speaker 2: The Phillies need a guy that can get some swinging miss,

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Speaker 1: Flow, and I'd like to see them get both of them.

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Speaker 1: It may take three guys to get these two.

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Speaker 3: Guys and three one three high level guys. I'm talking

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Speaker 3: TAYI I think that's the deal that might be able

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Speaker 4: want Loreano to in that deal. You can just send

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Speaker 4: But Sir Anthony, I mean, I think we all all

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Speaker 4: set up man seventh or eighth inning. Sir Anthony's having

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Speaker 4: a good year. He's had, you know, he had some

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Speaker 2: He has rebound it again, same thing as Bautista. Elite,

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Speaker 3: So he sort of slides into that slot between the

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Speaker 3: kirkering and the closure, Sir Anthony, So now you're really

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Speaker 3: You know, you got some choices.

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Speaker 1: Who's hot, who's been pitching better.

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Speaker 3: Now you've got choices from the right hand side of

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Speaker 1: In the seventh, eighth, ninth.

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Speaker 2: You wonder what that would cost. He's got he's got

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he'd be your secondary guy. There would be flow

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Speaker 4: He's got a lot of control. You'd have to come

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Speaker 1: If I knew a little bit more about the makeup and.

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Speaker 3: You know how much of a hard ass the guy was,

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Speaker 2: He started out the season really rough. Remember the Phillies

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Speaker 4: He gives me a little bit of flow. I don't

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Speaker 3: I'll take him, but low flow and a guy that

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Speaker 1: I got him below a Steves.

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Speaker 2: I I see, I see what you're saying that Rubinet,

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Speaker 2: Maybe he would be a guy, know, yeah, you can

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Speaker 4: Right down in Miami. He'd be like a second tier guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, load of medium only because one he hasn't done

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Speaker 1: You know, I like the guy, he's okay.

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Speaker 3: He gives us some depth, gives a Philly some depth,

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Speaker 1: I don't think he moves the needle for this team.

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Speaker 4: He's not enough as the number one guy.

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Speaker 4: I think they're gonna throw something big at the Orioles

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Speaker 2: Let's let's do the two pirate guys, David Bednar and

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Speaker 4: You know they both Yeah, they're both giving. They both

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Speaker 1: I'm right with you, Jim.

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Speaker 1: You just don't know. Now, does he have a chip

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Speaker 3: Maybe Bednar he's been there, but he's also really struggled

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Speaker 2: Yeah, both guys under control through twenty twenty six, So

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Speaker 1: He's not going anywhere.

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Speaker 1: Right, they're in it. They're in it.

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Speaker 2: They're hurdled right now or game and a half out

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Speaker 3: So I can't imagine that the fans would allow that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jim, what do you think?

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Speaker 4: Oh, he gives me. He gives me serious flow. But

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Speaker 4: I like him a lot.

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Speaker 1: Hey, you have left.

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Speaker 2: You need a left, you need it. But you're going

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Speaker 4: He'd be my second guy. I can't. He can't be

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Speaker 1: I'm in on that.

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Speaker 2: Right hander Sef Halverson, he signed through twenty thirty. Got

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Speaker 2: some rockies that could be available. He doesn't have great number,

439
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Speaker 2: I mean ear a over five right now. This expected

440
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 2: metrics are maybe like almost a run better than that.

441
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Speaker 4: So throws hard, throws hard, medium, medium, meet loaded loaded medium,

442
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:35,120
Speaker 4: secondary piece.

443
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,959
Speaker 2: Staying away from your Jake Bird. Jake Berd got off,

444
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 2: I mean Jake Bird remember him. He got got it

445
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 2: with Bryce Harper a couple of years ago. He got

446
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 2: off to a great start for a while there. He

447
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 2: kind of looked like an All star. Uh, this might

448
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,360
Speaker 2: solve it for you guys. Not that you guys might

449
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 2: have been really in on him. Last twelve appearances and

450
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Speaker 2: eleven point one two e ra A. So no, no Bird.

451
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,239
Speaker 2: Right hander Tyler Kinley, same thing. You know, he's got

452
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 2: an array of over six, but his metrics are way

453
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Speaker 2: better advance past. Okay, we have right hander she You know,

454
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 2: how do.

455
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: You have to beat the analytics by getting people out?

456
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: That's he that shows me analytics and.

457
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 4: Analyze this. That was a movie.

458
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 2: Put that in your computer. Put that in your computer.

459
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 4: It's smoking.

460
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 2: Right hander Shelby Miller he would have been great, but

461
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 2: he's on the injured list and said, yeah, Tory level

462
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 2: said the other day in terms of his elbow strain,

463
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 2: my guess is probably anywhere from coming back and pitching

464
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 2: to being shut down and having a procedure a couple

465
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Speaker 2: of weeks ago. If they had gotten and they be,

466
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Speaker 2: they'd be kicking themselves right now. All right?

467
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 1: What about right?

468
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 2: What about Kyle Finnigan from the Nationals. Nationals closer.

469
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Speaker 3: He can strike you out with a split, but I

470
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 3: you know what, I've seen him too much, and the

471
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Speaker 3: fact that I've seen him too much, it's almost like

472
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 3: the devil, you know. I don't care for as much

473
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 3: as maybe I would if I was didn't see him

474
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 3: as much.

475
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 2: I agree percent seen him.

476
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 3: Not have success and I've seen him struggle through some stuff.

477
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: Is he a good depth piece? Yes?

478
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 3: Is he a closer that you can count on to

479
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 3: get three outs in the ninth in the playoffs?

480
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 2: No, I agree with you. To me, is not a

481
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 2: guy that I want I would feel great about if

482
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: I'm the Phillies eighth ninth inning in a huge game.

483
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 2: Kyle Finnigan coming in again, doesn't get much swing and

484
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Speaker 2: miss you know his I I just feel like, you know,

485
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 2: he's pitching in low stress situations in Washington. He would

486
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 2: make me nervous if he was my my big eighth

487
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: ninth inning pickup at the trade deadline.

488
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,439
Speaker 4: Well, you guys, talk to me right out of him,

489
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 4: all right?

490
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 2: What about John Duran from the Twins?

491
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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, opinion.

492
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Speaker 1: I mean, do you think the guy gets you some flow?

493
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Speaker 4: No, he'd be a depth piece, secondary guy. He's not

494
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 4: my He's not my big nine dating hammer. But he's

495
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 4: been around a while, He's had quite a bit of success.

496
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Speaker 4: I think he might have had a little tweak recently

497
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 4: if I was reading correctly. But you know, I would

498
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 4: talk about him, talk to my scouts about him. I

499
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 4: dig into the numbers, but it would have to be

500
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Speaker 4: as a as a setup man. He's not my big hammer.

501
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 2: Now, Ruben, if you if you're calling the Nationals, right,

502
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess you know Mike Rizzo's not there anymore.

503
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 2: So I don't know how that show is being run,

504
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 2: But the teams go all star closer. They just hammer

505
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 2: that point as in kind of like a try to

506
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Speaker 2: push aside any of the other concerns and say, you know,

507
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,719
Speaker 2: you are trading for an all star caliber closer, so

508
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 2: they're going to try to get you to pay through

509
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Speaker 2: the nose, right. I mean, I don't think he's that

510
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 2: type of guy. We mentioned Bautista, Chapman, some of these

511
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: other guys. I don't even think he's Carlos Stevez. I

512
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 2: take Carlos Estevez over Kyle Finnegan.

513
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's basic economics, man, If it really the

514
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 3: beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

515
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Speaker 1: There may be some teams and some scouts will go, hey,

516
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Speaker 1: this is the right guy for us, and.

517
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Speaker 3: They can you know, and they can get more out

518
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 3: of that, or they may have a team that gets

519
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 3: desperate to the point where I'm going to give up

520
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 3: way too much for this guy, but I got to

521
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Speaker 3: have somebody, and so it's a little bit of a

522
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Speaker 3: supply and demand thing. But at the end of the day,

523
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, I just don't know

524
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Speaker 3: whether certain gms think equity or they think they got

525
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Speaker 3: to win the deal. And so you have to sort

526
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:53,359
Speaker 3: of know the personality of that GM to understand, Okay,

527
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 3: is this guy just trying to get a good deal

528
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 3: done or is he trying to like squeeze me to

529
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Speaker 3: the point where you know he wants to beat me up.

530
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 3: And so that's that's the that's the beauty of uh

531
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Speaker 3: of making these deals and the difficulty of making these deals.

532
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 2: What about Joe John Duran from The Twins.

533
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: Oh, my goodness, that's a double plus? Yes?

534
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 2: Yes, what do you love about him?

535
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: Yes, he's a stud.

536
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: I mean obviously he's you know, he's been success.

537
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he's had success.

538
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 3: I don't think that he's really pitched in you know,

539
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 3: he's pitching in Minnesota. So that's the thing that you know,

540
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 3: he hasn't really I don't think he's pitched in postseason play.

541
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Speaker 1: I don't.

542
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 3: I'm on the numbers in front of me, and that

543
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 3: concerns me a little.

544
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Speaker 1: But the arm is just delicious. It's delicious.

545
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Speaker 4: We don't know if the Twins are gonna the Twins gonna,

546
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 4: you know, are they in or out? Are they gonna?

547
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 3: We'll know in ten days, because there will know they've

548
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 3: got a couple of arms back there that that would be.

549
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Speaker 2: Four of them.

550
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 4: They got four of them. That Griffin Jacks has a

551
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Speaker 4: big strikeout arm. I mean, Durant has two years of

552
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 4: control left Griffin, Jacks set up man with power has

553
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 4: two years of control left.

554
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Speaker 1: And then yeah, I think give up a lot for

555
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Speaker 1: those guys.

556
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 4: And that Varlin guy has like five years of control

557
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 4: left still.

558
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 2: Maybe twenty thirty. Yeah, he's on your team. Control through

559
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Speaker 2: twenty thirty.

560
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 4: All three of those guys big flow. Yeah, and he

561
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 4: left that Danny Kolombe, he's he's been a good year,

562
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 4: heavy heavy flow.

563
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

564
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 2: Dan Colomb's the free agent after the season, so I

565
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: guess he would. He would. He could come a little

566
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 2: bit cheaper than those other three guys.

567
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Speaker 3: But if you add you can add him to a

568
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 3: to a Duran, or you can add him to a Jacks,

569
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Speaker 3: you get two of those guys.

570
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Speaker 1: Man, you're doing much better.

571
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 4: That's a team to really watch. We got to watch

572
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 4: that scene because one, you don't know if they're gonna

573
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 4: stay in it, if they're gonna buy or sell. I mean,

574
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Speaker 4: if they have a really good week this week coming

575
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 4: on of the break, you know, maybe they hang. But

576
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 4: if they you know, if they go ice fishing in Minnesota,

577
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 4: you know some of those guys are going to be

578
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 4: on the.

579
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: Move, no doubt about it. Ken Lee Janssen, Jimmy you've

580
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: liked him in the past, You've mentioned that.

581
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 4: I mean, you mentioned in the past. I'm not sure

582
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 4: Day likes him though. He just continues to rack up saves,

583
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 4: you know, lower flow because he's old. But he's the

584
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 4: Major leagues leader in s four hundred plus saves. But

585
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 4: I think you need to shoot higher at this point.

586
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 2: I totally agree Pete Fairbanks with the Rays. I mean again,

587
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: he might not be available. They're a game and a

588
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: half out.

589
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: Of the I can't imagine them being available, can't. But

590
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: you never know. It's the Rays.

591
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do. They do kind of surprise you from

592
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 2: time to time. You're right about that, Rubens. So yeah,

593
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: they might be got. They might have a situation where

594
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 2: you know, they got I think there's there's a team

595
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 2: option on Fairbanks for next season, so yeah, they might, Look,

596
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 2: we're not going to bring this guy back after next year.

597
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 2: Let's get get the most we can out of him before.

598
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 4: Let's see how they play the next ten days.

599
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: Medium to medium to high Fairbanks.

600
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's just for argument's sake. If he was

601
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 2: your if they got him to be the closer, the

602
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: ninth inning guy with that, would that satisfy you?

603
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: I would be satisfied with that.

604
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, because he's got some you know, he's.

605
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 3: Pitched over the years in some tight situations. He's been there,

606
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 3: sort of done it. He's in the AL East. It's

607
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 3: a tough spot.

608
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: I'm okay with him.

609
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 4: Is that the last reliever on your list? That is

610
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 4: so okay? Todd? Who is your pie in the sky?

611
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I really love the idea of Bautista and

612
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 2: Sir Anthony kind of a tag team, because again, this

613
00:30:53,960 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 2: team has really struggled without Alvarado, you know, just in

614
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: getting guys that can strike people out, get some swing

615
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 2: and miss. I know I'm repeating myself, but that's something

616
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 2: that this bullpen really needs, especially from from right, from

617
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 2: the right handed side, and so both of those guys

618
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: accomplish that, and Bautista, as you mentioned with Fairbanks, kind

619
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 2: of being through it. You know, he's pitching the American

620
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 2: League East, so he's gone out there getting saves against

621
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Speaker 2: the Red Sox, the Rays, the Yankees, the Blue Jays.

622
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 2: He's not really facing any cupcake lineups, you know, in

623
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,479
Speaker 2: no disrespect to the ALE Central or some of these

624
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: other leagues, but you know, I like the fact that

625
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: he's had. He has to earn this. He has to

626
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: earn his his outs and his saves against some pretty

627
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Speaker 2: good lineups on a consistent basis.

628
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 4: Very good point, Ruben, who is the apple of your eye?

629
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Speaker 1: I'd love to get the two guys in Minnesota.

630
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 5: I think I love the two Baltimore guys. I'd like

631
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 5: to take there. They're back two guys, Jackson and Durant.

632
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 5: I like it that that would be that would be

633
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 5: really special for me.

634
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: I like it.

635
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 4: I like that combination too. I also like the Baltimore

636
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 4: I think Bautista. I just have this feel that but

637
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 4: Bautista could be the guy because of where the Orioles are,

638
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 4: because they really need to add some starting pitching. And

639
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 4: if Mick ables in that deal, you might be able

640
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 4: to get something done. And yeah, I like the idea

641
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 4: of of Sir Anthony coming back for return engagement. He's

642
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 4: a known commodity and you know he struggled last year.

643
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 4: He had some injuries, but man, he's dealing now, high

644
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 4: strikeout rate. I think I think you could do a

645
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 4: lot worse than having those two guys. But the Minnesota guys,

646
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 4: if if if they put up the for sale sign,

647
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 4: then I would be all over that like a duck

648
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 4: on a junebug. And it looks like the Cleveland's are

649
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 4: going to hang on to their guys. But you know,

650
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 4: if they you know, that could be posturing. And if

651
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 4: they throw up in the for sale sign at the

652
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 4: last minute, I got to be in on that as well.

653
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: Okay, so would you give up Painter in any of

654
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: those deals?

655
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 4: No, I'm hanging out to Painter. I'm just hanging out

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Speaker 4: to Painter. He's uh, you know, big talent, a lot

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Speaker 1: If you had a.

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Speaker 3: in balld More, would you do it?

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Speaker 4: Oh, just Painter, and I'm winning the World Series.

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Speaker 2: I would trade anybody to win the World Series.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Okay. I was just wondering where you were

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Speaker 1: There we go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean unless they gave him away,

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Speaker 2: like literally, what if they what if they called him

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Speaker 1: But boy, you're taking a chance.

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Speaker 3: And the guy who's very talented, uber talented, but has

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Speaker 3: just not he hasn't been.

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Speaker 2: Is he hitting two hundred, he's hitting one ninety five,

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Speaker 2: ninety nine opes, He's i mean, he's got team he's

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Speaker 2: got a team option for next year in twenty twenty seven,

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Speaker 2: so I mean, technically he could be a free agent

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Speaker 2: after the season. So I don't know how you know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if they hand him to you and you

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Speaker 3: want to stick him in the outfield and see he

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Speaker 3: does something great, but I don't think you're could have

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Speaker 3: I don't He's not a guy I would invest in.

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Speaker 2: I mean, can imagine imagine trading for him and saying

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Speaker 2: and pitching that like we think he's a change of

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Speaker 2: sceniory guy and then he does terribly. I mean, oh man,

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Speaker 2: that is that would be such a crazy move in

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Speaker 2: my opinion. You know, a Dollas Garcia from the Rangers.

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Speaker 4: Got like a ops in the six hundreds. He hasn't

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Speaker 4: done much in two years. I'm not on it.

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Speaker 2: Same thing. I think that's a guy that you trade

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Speaker 2: him and you go, oh, maybe he's gonna he's a

786
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Speaker 2: bounce back hand, but bounce. It's not like he's been

787
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Speaker 2: playing on a crappy team for the last four or

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Speaker 2: five years. He's on a super talented team and he's

789
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Speaker 2: just not producing. That to me is is some serious

790
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Speaker 2: red flags. So I would stay away.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't I agree, but I would take him over

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Speaker 3: Luis Robert.

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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, no doubt, without question YEP, I agree with

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Speaker 2: you there. Ramon Loreano be part of that. He could

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Speaker 2: be part of that three team Orioles package. He's out numbers.

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Speaker 4: I'll go down on my rab four and pick him

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Speaker 4: up for three of them, Baptista and Ryan Shotgun, Sir

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Speaker 4: Anthony and Loreanno on the back and we'll stop at

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Speaker 4: the way back.

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Speaker 2: Not Woodies in Philly though, different woodies, different wood he's

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Speaker 2: in Philly, different different woodies. Two eight So Ramo Loreano

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Speaker 2: to eighty four eleven home runs, thirty five rbs. Now

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Speaker 2: he's a free agent after the season. But I mean

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Speaker 2: he hits right now eight sixty seven ops.

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Speaker 4: He might have to play him every day. Loreano, he's

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Speaker 4: hitting you know he's hitting that well?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Yeah? How well is he? How well is he

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Speaker 1: hitting against left handers?

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Speaker 4: He's not hitting he's hitting right. He's better. But he's

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Speaker 4: having a good year across the board. Pretty much.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha?

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Speaker 2: Byron Buxton Byron Buckston, Well I would.

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Speaker 4: Love Byron Buckston but he came out and said he's

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Speaker 4: not going right. He said he's not waving his no trade.

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Speaker 4: He's got a good contract. But he said he's not me. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: he got that no trade close.

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Speaker 2: So on point now, now, as a GM of the

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Speaker 2: how do you say you really think you can get

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Speaker 4: Do you do?

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Speaker 2: You do you waste the time and the resources to

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Speaker 2: pursue that deal. I mean, it's it's a little this

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Speaker 2: is not exactly the same. But remember Oswalt in twenty

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Speaker 2: I'm not waving my no trade unless I get my

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Speaker 2: option picked up. I'm not doing it. I'm not doing it.

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Speaker 2: And I think obviously.

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Speaker 1: I pushed it and I did it. And I'll tell

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Speaker 3: Because if there's a chance to get a guy like that,

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Speaker 3: you think he's going to make it be a difference

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Speaker 3: move on. So I still give it a shot. I mean,

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Speaker 4: Don't you think they probably have. I'm sure they have

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm not saying he didn't.

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying, and I'm sure they'll continue to it

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Speaker 4: because if you're talking to them about relievers, you had

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Speaker 4: every conversation with you know, I'd still like to talk

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Speaker 3: I would never think of doing anything like that, Jim ever, Okay, that.

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Speaker 2: Would never happen. I mean, you know the thing is

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Speaker 2: he's he's to me. That would be the move that

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00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: would just that would just be all in. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: go for it this year because if he stays healthy, man,

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Speaker 3: I'll take Buckston and Durant and I'll take it home

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Speaker 3: to the house and I would trade Painter for that.

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Speaker 2: Tyler O'Neill.

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Speaker 2: would run from that.

876
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 3: Run the only way, the only way I would do

877
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 3: that if they take back a significant amount of the

878
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 3: money that he's owed in the next two years. I

879
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 3: know it's the first year in the contract. I would

880
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 3: take the money back knowing that he's going to be

881
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 3: on the IL for at least half of that the

882
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 3: rest of that contract, because that's how it's going to

883
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 3: happen with him. But I'd take him because when he's hot,

884
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 3: he can carry a team. But it would all be

885
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 3: all all about how much money I get back on it,

886
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 3: and and not investing too much of a uh you know,

887
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 3: trade collateral for him.

888
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 2: How about a two for Mason Miller and Brent Rooker. Well,

889
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 2: exactly right. I mean he's a yeah, he's playing I

890
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 2: don't want to play shore left correct? Correct? I mean

891
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 2: he'd be a tremendous bad to having the lineup. He's

892
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 2: played thirteen games in the outfield this season. You know

893
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: he was he wasn't even playing in the outfield last

894
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 2: He wasn't playing in the outfield last season either, So

895
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 2: you're not.

896
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 3: If you're not going to sign Schober, I get him,

897
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 3: But I want to sign shob If you're not going

898
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 3: to sign Schwarber, I push hard and let Schoreber play

899
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 3: left field forward the rest of the season, put him

900
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 3: in a DH slot and then have him been my

901
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 3: DH going forward assigned d H. Now that's a possibility.

902
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 3: That's thinking out outside the box. But you got to

903
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 3: think about the fact.

904
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: That but you're going to be no longer with Kyle

905
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: Schwarber after the season.

906
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: For that reason, I wrote is that worth it? Not?

907
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 2: For me?

908
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: It's not.

909
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 2: I would roll the dice and going to going to

910
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 2: free agency with Kyle Schwarbur un signed, hoping that I

911
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 2: can bring him back, rather than basically just end it

912
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 2: right there. With that trade Jaron Durant from the Red

913
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: Sox signed through twenty twenty eight.

914
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,919
Speaker 4: He's like, I don't know if they're moving him because

915
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 4: of this ten game winning streak. Is a real energy

916
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 4: guy in this winning streak, and yep, they might need

917
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 4: him to they think they can make the postseason now

918
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 4: though I mean they're on the playoff greditally. Probably hard

919
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 4: to see them moving him.

920
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 3: I know he's left handed, but still sort of a

921
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 3: perfect guy personality wise to play in Philadelphia for me, Like.

922
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 2: Brian Reynolds from the Pirates, he said a down year

923
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: signed through twenty thirty or under team control through twenty

924
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 2: thirty club option twenty thirty one.

925
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 4: Has not produced this year at all.

926
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 2: Not a little unlucky. He's been a little unlucky.

927
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 3: Well, so I think that this guy, I'm gonna have

928
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 3: medium flow and I'm gonna tell you why. I think

929
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 3: that this guy has had enough of playing on a

930
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 3: shitty team. I think he's had enough of it. He

931
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 3: knows he's not gonna win. I think he wants to

932
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 3: get out of there and go play for a winner.

933
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 3: And when he plays left field every day for the

934
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 3: Fight in Phillies, he's gonna help them win.

935
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: I'll take him.

936
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 3: Bad and I'll stick him in left field for a

937
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 3: long time, and then my center fielder is gonna end

938
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 3: up being craffered for a while.

939
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 4: He signed for a long time. What's he signed for?

940
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 2: Signed through twenty thirty's and there's a team option for

941
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,919
Speaker 2: twenty thirty one, so you'd have your you know we're

942
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 2: gonna be losing Castianos.

943
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: I like him. I'll take him.

944
00:46:54,520 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 4: Taylor Ward, low flow, he's out there every year, never.

945
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: Loves Yeah, streaky as hell.

946
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a big power guy, but you know everything

947
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 2: else isn't really there. Yeah, very streaky. You know, to me,

948
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 2: that'd be a guy. You get him right, and he

949
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 2: hits a couple of home runs early, and then the

950
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 2: playoffs comes around and he's swinging and missing and everything

951
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 2: and going, oh my gosh, what what just happened?

952
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 1: We got one of these guys?

953
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a little bit different. Eugenio Suarez.

954
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 4: If he's might be going to the Yankees and too

955
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 4: many moving parts to get into third base, I just

956
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:34,720
Speaker 4: don't see it happen.

957
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

958
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 2: We kind of touched on him the other day, right,

959
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 2: I mean, good bat, Yeah.

960
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 4: Get a lot of home runs in June.

961
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: Take the bat?

962
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 4: Where are you gonna plan?

963
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm playing first.

964
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,240
Speaker 4: I can't move Bryce. Bryce is not moving the middle

965
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 4: of the season, and I'm not sure Bryce is ever moving.

966
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 4: So hard to do.

967
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 2: Last name on my back the square peg.

968
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: Round hole or vice versa.

969
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that. The last name on my bad

970
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 2: hit her list is Harrison Bader.

971
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 4: Having an okay yeah in Minnesota? Yeah, field a little bit.

972
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 2: You're not a batter guy? Eleven home runs, mister guy?

973
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 3: Yeah?

974
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, why not?

975
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 4: Sixty seven?

976
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 1: Yes?

977
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 3: I don't think he's that good of an outfielder. Think

978
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 3: he's a terrible center fielder. Yeah, I shouldn't say terrible.

979
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 1: I don't think.

980
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: So.

981
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 3: Again.

982
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 2: Of all, if you could snap your fingers and make

983
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 2: something happen of all those names we just went through.

984
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 4: Well, in a perfect will, you're doing bus but Buckston

985
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 4: and Duran, let's go.

986
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: That would be that.

987
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 2: Now, that would be a move that would get everybody excited.

988
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: That would get the guys in the bullpen excited, That

989
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 2: would get the guys in the road. I would get

990
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 2: that that whole team would be so juiced to have Buckston.

991
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 2: Where would you hit Buxton in that little Bold.

992
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna say five guys to get five

993
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 4: guys to get those two guys correct, trade them all?

994
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,479
Speaker 2: Could you do it without getting giving up? Andrew Painter?

995
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 3: Uh, if he could do for Abel Crawford, Aiden Miller,

996
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 3: Tay and Escobar.

997
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:21,479
Speaker 1: Go ahead.

998
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 2: It's four top one hundred prospects and one former top

999
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 2: one hundred prospect done.

1000
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 4: And then you have to have an You have to

1001
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 4: say prayers that Buxton stays healthy. I know he's having

1002
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 4: a great year.

1003
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he won't and he won't, but he's a

1004
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 3: he's a dynamic player when he is.

1005
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, you think that, the fact that he's got so

1006
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 2: many years left in Hi. I love it, Ruben, I

1007
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: love it.

1008
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: Ruben.

1009
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 4: Your energy is much better than your internet tonight.

1010
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 2: No, you know that might be my internet. Actually I

1011
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 2: don't know.

1012
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: I think it's his internet.

1013
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1014
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 2: I don't know whose internet it is, but it.

1015
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 4: Must be the trade deadline. It gets you fired up, Ruben.

1016
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 3: I love trade dead allies, man, Nothing like it, especially

1017
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 3: when you're buying.

1018
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 2: Ruben real quick before we go, like so give us,

1019
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,959
Speaker 2: like when you were making these you know, twenty ten,

1020
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine, you're getting cliff Lee, right, you're

1021
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 2: trying to get Cliff Lee. You're trying to get Royal.

1022
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 2: How often during the day are you actually talking to

1023
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 2: these gms? Is it just all text? Is it email?

1024
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,439
Speaker 2: Is it phone calls? How often are you reaching back

1025
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: out to them? Is like, I'll get back to you tomorrow.

1026
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 2: You know, somebody else reaches out. What's what's that like?

1027
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 2: Real quick?

1028
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 3: It's NonStop nowadays because it's automatic as far as the

1029
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 3: text is concerned. I mean, I like, I like talking,

1030
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 3: but the texting became a real issue and the real

1031
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 3: thing later on, as as you know, towards the end

1032
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 3: of my tenure, a lot of texting just to set

1033
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 3: things up, just to talk and then call to me.

1034
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 3: This is not on stop man twenty four or seven

1035
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 3: for about two weeks. Baby, let's go, Time to go,

1036
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 3: my favorite time. Really fun.

1037
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean it's it's an exciting time. And

1038
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 2: you know, if you're the Phillies, see what they can

1039
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 2: do with the trade doll.

1040
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 4: So yeah, we covered a lot of names.

1041
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 1: We did.

1042
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 4: If they trade for somebody that wasn't on our list,

1043
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 4: we're gonna feel like losers.

1044
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 2: Well, you know what's funny, though, is Jim you know,

1045
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 2: it's so funny beauty of the game, But Jim, I

1046
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 2: was thinking, I was literally thinking about this. I was like,

1047
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: I said, if we were doing this last year, we.

1048
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 4: Never tear backs.

1049
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: You never would have talked about Austin Hayes. Was Austin

1050
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 2: Hayes mentioned anywhere with the Phillies or ever connected to

1051
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: the Phillies. Was anybody going, you know what, they should

1052
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 2: go out, they should go again Austin Hayes. Then they

1053
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 2: got Austin Hayes.

1054
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: Hey, I feel.

1055
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 3: Like there wasn't no fan fans were clamoring for, like

1056
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 3: the big name and you know the top of them.

1057
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 3: You know, the bottom line is this, if they help

1058
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 3: you win, it doesn't matter what the name is. If honestly, yeah,

1059
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 3: you love to have the name and the pedigree.

1060
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: I believe in that.

1061
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, it's about who

1062
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 3: is going to contribute to this team and if they

1063
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 3: feel like there's other people out there that can do that,

1064
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 3: more power to them.

1065
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: Man, It's all about bottom line. It's a bottom line game, baby,

1066
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: It's win baby, and that's it.

1067
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 4: I feel like the last couple of years they were

1068
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 4: kind of in the market for more marginal guys, and

1069
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 4: this year it is very very clear they need a

1070
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 4: hammer at the back of the bullpen. So that's why

1071
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 4: I think the focus is so much on bigger names

1072
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 4: this year.

1073
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 2: I'd be great to see what happens.

1074
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 1: Guys.

1075
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 2: That was fun.

1076
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 4: That was a long, one, long long podcast.

1077
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 3: You know.

1078
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 2: It's fun though it's talking trays to get going through

1079
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: all these names. We'll see where they end at.

1080
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: Up.

1081
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 2: We'll be back next We'll we'll be back next week.

1082
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 2: We'll talk angels. We'll be talking more trades. A lot

1083
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 2: of stuff coming up.

1084
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 1: Smelly latter boys, Lease spelling you, Jim.

1085
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,680
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1086
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1087
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1088
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1089
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1090
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1091
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,440
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1092
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1093
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