WEBVTT - Twister 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:03.960 On the Bechdel Cast, the questions ask if movies have 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:07.960 women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:11.879 or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, zeph and 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:16.000 best start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:27.960 Hey, Jamie, Twisters hate my family, like honestly, Caitlin as 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:29.120 a militant feminist. 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:33.920 Everyone in this movie needs to get away from Helen Hunt. 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:36.839 She is leading them to danger. 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:40.160 Yes, she is repeated. I mean everyone is being led 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:45.960 to danger. Everyone here has a near death kink obviously 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:51.600 right like they get off on it. We see it repeatedly. However, 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:56.800 there's only one character who the Twister hates back with 0:00:56.920 --> 0:01:00.639 a vengeance, and it's Helen Hunt. Because we are in 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:04.440 from what we can understand, we're led to believe, you know, 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:09.160 like we're we're with Oklahoma natives. We are with people 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:15.040 who have grown up live understand Tornado Alley, but with 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:20.160 Helen Hunt around. There are six unprecedented Twisters in a 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:24.120 space of it seems like seventy two hours. Yeah, seventy 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:27.640 two hours generously, But we never see anyone sleep, and 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:28.839 no one changes their clothes. 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:31.400 I think it's one nightfall. I think it's forty eight hours. 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:33.880 Maybe just when you think there's not going to be another. 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:37.399 I watched this movie with my brother today and we 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:43.800 were repeatedly shocked at exactly how many times Twister delivers 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:47.800 on the titular promise. Like I thought we had reached 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:49.600 the final Twister, and then I checked the run time. 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:52.440 I'm like, hold on, and then there is like a 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:56.600 you know whatever, diegetic newscast that's like up next, the 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.840 biggest Twister in thirty years. I'm like, they literally just 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:03.560 finished one. It's shocking how many Twisters, and they seem 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:07.320 to hate Helen Hunt and her extended family. Well, I 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:10.840 think it's personal with the Twisters, Like I don't know 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:15.960 what Helen Hunt's family did in ancient times to a Twister, 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:20.400 but the Twisters have it out for her specific twist. 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:23.440 Like I would be like, Helen, I love you, Joe 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:28.880 love you, but clearly Twisters hate you, like you need 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:31.160 to move out of the area. 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:36.639 I think when Joe and the Twisters are chasing each other, 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:39.960 I think that that passes the Bechdel test. 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:42.040 I was gonna ask you that because they do use 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:45.800 she her pronouns for Twisters in the same way that 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:49.120 I mean there's so many, I mean, truly so many 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:52.480 parallels between this movie and Jurassic Park, but also a 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:55.720 lot of parallels between this movie and Titanic. You know, 0:02:55.919 --> 0:03:01.120 she her Titanic, she her the twist Twisters. 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:04.080 She heard Tyrannosaurus Rex and the raptors and all the 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:05.520 other dinosaurs and. 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:09.720 When it all comes together, and yeah, I mean there 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:14.520 really are the Michael Crichton of it all, the gorgeous 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:18.320 science woman lead wearing a tank top whereas everyone else 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:21.560 is wearing three shirts as a man of it all, 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:28.079 the guy calling Bill Paxton boss of it all. It 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:33.000 really does boggle the mind. How what a clear line 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:39.880 there is with disaster movies, with thrillers with white men 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:45.440 wearing minimum three shirts as the romantic protagonist. Like it's 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:49.640 just Twister is a part of a cultural moment. 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:50.880 It sure is. 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:54.520 And I personally feel as someone who at the time 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:57.000 of recording, I have not seen Twisters. I don't think 0:03:57.120 --> 0:04:00.000 I could, or like, if I wanted to see Twisters, 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:01.760 I would need to be sitting in a movie seat 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:02.840 at this exact moment. 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:05.320 No, it's not even out for another week at the 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:06.320 time of this recording. 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.120 Okay, fuck it I'm busy, I'm not I don't think 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:12.160 I'm going to see it. And here's why, Glenn Powell. 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:14.320 I like him. 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:17.320 I like him. I have enjoyed the performances of his 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:20.080 i've seen, but I just feel like it's a losing 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:24.520 battle to be like, hey, new guy have the raw 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:28.080 charisma of Bill Paxton in his prime. Like it's I 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:32.000 just don't see it. How could anyone? He's so distinct. 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:35.599 May his soul rest in peace. 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:37.880 May it indeed. I would say this is one of 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:42.039 Bill Paxton's more subdued roles because he's normally screaming even 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:44.360 more than this in most of his movies. 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:47.240 I agree. And also I think it's really funny that 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.960 his name is Bill, like they made it, they put him, 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:53.480 not that this movie is on easy mode, Like as 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:57.080 an actor, clearly there's a lot of physical demands that 0:04:57.200 --> 0:04:59.960 come with this movie on top of like normal acting challenge. 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:03.680 But I just always think it's funny when you know 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:07.400 it's Bill Paxton and they I don't know if I'm 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:10.640 casting an actor, if the perfect actor for my lead 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:14.520 role has the same first name, I would consider changing 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:17.360 it because it is a little like they keep calling 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:19.640 him Bill and you're like, oh, you made a mistake, 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:22.400 but they didn't. The character's name is Bill. 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:27.520 Yeah, it's pretty funny. Hey listeners, Welcome to the Bechdel Cast. 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:32.200 Whatever, fuck you, guys. We love you guys. Happy summer. 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:33.880 My name is Caitlin Deonte. 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.279 My name is Jamie Loftus. This is the Bechdel Cast, 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:39.560 the podcast where we talk about your favorite movies using 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:43.360 an intersectional feminist lens. What's the Bechdel test, Well look 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:45.360 it up on your own time. We're kind of busy 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:50.280 tonight because we have to talk about Twister nineteen ninety six. 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:55.120 Yeah, okay, Jamie, what's your relationship with the movie. 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:58.920 I've seen it a couple different times. Over the course 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:04.160 of the last twenty years. I've seen Twister probably three 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:07.840 or four times. Yeah. I have a memory of watching 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:11.640 this movie with my aunt during a vacation. I have 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:15.040 a memory of watching this movie on a plane. Like, 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:18.000 this is a movie that I didn't see in theaters. 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.039 I was too young to see it in theaters for sure, 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:24.599 But I just have memories of like knowing of its existence, 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:27.440 and I have a feeling that the reason I don't 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:29.880 watch this movie more. While I do think it's good, 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:32.560 and it has a lot of the elements of what 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:35.039 I like in a movie. There are so many movies 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:38.680 that came out in close proximity with similar actors, with 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:43.320 a similar premise that I think are better that while 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:46.600 this movie was I think, rightfully, very successful, I don't 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.320 return to it very often. I feel like the reason 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:52.680 I mainly think about this movie is because of the 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:58.559 attraction that existed about this movie at Universal Studios, Florida. Right, 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:01.760 and then Bill Paksay's in the video and he's like, Hi, 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:05.760 because that's like his whole vibe. Hi. You might be 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:09.279 wondering how did we make the Twister? And you're like, dude, 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:11.600 I was like six, I did not wonder how you 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:15.080 made the Twister? But they had, you know, if you're 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:19.520 nine thousand years old like us. There was a live 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:25.360 demonstration at Universal Studios, Florida where they basically demonstrated something 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:28.600 I would probably be more interested in now than I 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:32.160 was as a child, where they would sort of demonstrate 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:34.520 behind a pane of glass how they did a lot 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:36.920 of the practical effects in Twister. Which is part of 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:41.320 what's really cool about this movie is how many really 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:46.679 challenging and as we'll talk about very dangerous practical effects 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.800 that were done during this movie. And I was kind 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:53.920 of surprised on this viewing. It'd been at least six 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:57.080 or seven years since I'd seen it, and I don't 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.760 know that I've ever watched this movie paying one hundred 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:02.880 percent attention, if I'm being honest. So a lot of 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:06.880 plot points I'd forgotten. I totally forgot phillipsymore off. But 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:10.240 like there's so many people. I don't think I knew 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:13.240 who Alan Rock was the last time I saw this, 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:18.480 Like there's this movie has a ridiculous amount of heavy hitters. Yeah, 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.080 but in any case, Yeah, this was the first time 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.480 that I truly paid attention to it, and I was 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:28.600 pleasantly surprised at at least how relatively well. I feel 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:31.760 like the special effects hold up, which makes sense when 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.840 you know, or I learned after I finished watching the 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:38.320 movie that this movie was basically pitched as a special 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:45.440 effects demo versus a story to endure, which it's I 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:51.600 would argue, not wow, rude, I mean, the story sucks. 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:57.920 The story sucks, but whatever. Famous climate change denialist Michael 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:00.800 Crichton wrote this movie, you know, sort of offset from 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:03.360 Jurassic Park. It just feels like he's pulling from the 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:08.480 hits to write this special effects demo that became the 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:09.120 movie Twister. 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:14.440 Sure. Also, I mean the practical effects, yes, very good. 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:19.040 The CGI not so good. But it was nineteen ninety six, 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:20.720 so what could they have done. 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:23.280 I think the practical effects are amazing. I think the 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:26.800 CGI effects for the time for the time, yeah, are 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:29.160 pretty good. And I really got a kick out of 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.800 learning that the cow, which is iconic. I remember the 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:36.000 cow from the trailer whenever I saw the trailer on 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:41.400 like ABHS or whatever. Also Twister nineteen ninety six, Caitlin. Yeah, 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:43.600 from what I heard, and from what I heard is 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:47.520 from director John Debont. And it was so funny because 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:50.400 I again, this was a rewatch that I just watched 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:52.280 the movie with my brother and then I did all 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:54.560 of the research after I did no research before we 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:59.160 started watching, and I said several times I was like, wow, 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:03.480 this feels paced, whise like speed. Like every single time 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:08.600 there's a twister, there's like a brief Quippi exchange and 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:11.680 then there's just another twister, which is how speed works. 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:15.440 It's like there's a car thing and then Keanu and 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.160 Sandra are like, that was wild. That was wild. I 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:20.800 have a crush. No, I have a crush. Oh my god, 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:22.520 the baby. 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:24.480 Like it was cans. 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:28.640 It was cons like. And that's kind of the pacing 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:32.120 of this movie as well, where it's like, Sexy Quippy, 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:36.240 another Twister, Sexy Quippy, another Twister, and then two hours 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:39.360 later the movie ends, and then to find that they 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:41.160 have the same director. So it actually makes a lot 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:44.800 of sense. This was just like the action thriller pace 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:49.720 of this director at this time. What's your history with 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:51.360 Twister nineteen ninety six. 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:55.240 I did not grow up with this movie, despite it 0:10:55.320 --> 0:11:01.040 being one of two VHS tapes at my gramm's house. 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:04.040 So anytime I would go to visit Whoa and She's like, 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:06.679 do you want to watch a movie? And I'd be like, yeah, 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.800 what do you have? And she had exactly two VHS's 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:12.400 and I don't even remember what the other one was, 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:14.760 which is the one that I watched all the time. 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:17.319 I just remember that there was dirty dancing. 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:24.040 No, my grandma had dirty dancing and slapshot okay, and 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:26.640 oh my god, Anne River dancing because she. 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:31.480 Was Irish fun Okay, No, I'll have to ask my 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:33.640 mom if she remembers, but I. 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:35.480 Would be so curious. I feel like that's a very 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:38.600 forbit of detail, like the especially when there's only two, 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:40.280 and you would think I. 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:43.240 Would remember the one that I actually watched, but I don't. 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:45.000 I only remember fucked up. 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.720 Were you watching like basic Instinct with your grandma? 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:50.480 I'm guessing it was like Aladdin or just something that 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:52.880 I was watching all the time anyway, But I was 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:55.560 always like, what's this other movie Twister? I don't know. 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:59.040 I don't know about it. It seems it seems there's adults 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:01.280 in it. I don't no, and so I just because 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:03.200 I was like ten, yeah, and so I just like, 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:06.120 wasn't that interested it. But I do remember that she 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:11.160 had it, but I didn't see it until decades later. 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:15.079 I think I watched it for the first time in 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:19.520 my twenties and then again kind of recently, like within 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:21.200 the past year. I was like, oh, wait a minute, 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:24.040 this movie rules. It's awesome. 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:28.000 It does rule. I mean, I'm surprised, and I'm glad 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:30.079 you have it now, because it feels like a movie 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:33.600 that is like you are the target audience for. I know, 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:38.520 it's a romp, it's intense, it's sexy. It's fun. 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:42.600 Ten out of ten on the rompometer. Yeah, I don't 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:46.320 need Dorothy to take those measurements. I can safely say 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:48.600 for myself that it's a ten out of ten. 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:51.000 Oh my god, it made me laugh again. My brother 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:55.320 and I were laughing so much this morning at how 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:58.400 first of all the and it feels very I don't know. 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:02.599 I read Michael Crichton books when I was too young, 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:05.400 and I like, thank you so much. Even though we 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:09.199 don't read books for this podcast, I do love reading, 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:12.880 and like I remember reading Michael Crichton books when I 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.480 was a kid and like getting them from the library 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:19.040 and just feeling, you know, I'm sure he researched and 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.280 knew his shit, but it just always felt like such 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:25.520 YadA YadA science. And so when you get to Twister 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:29.920 and it's like science balls, like this whole thing is 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:33.000 like we have to throw the science balls into the 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:38.840 Twister so Helen Hunt can cure her father wound. Like 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:42.840 it's all so bizarre that, like my brother and I, 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:45.600 every time the science balls came out, we're like, well, 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:48.440 here they are again. Helen Hunt is just like having 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:53.320 a conniption because the science balls have spilled and they surely, 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:56.360 as scientists, they would know to put a net on 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:58.920 top of they. But they're always spilling the science. 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.640 They're loose, loose science balls just. 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:04.840 Rolling around, and they have so many Dorothy's because they 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:08.040 present it as like this movie is funny to because 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:11.200 I think it is like fun but not good, because 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:13.439 if there's so many things that are wrong that are 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:17.400 going on, there's an antagonist who like doesn't need to 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:21.080 be there. The antagonist should be the Twister, Like, we 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:22.920 don't need Carrie Elwis there. 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:26.440 How dare you say that about my friend Carrie Ellis. 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:31.480 We need him in Saw, we don't need him in Twister, unfortunately. 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.160 But like it was just like every time you show 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:36.320 up and he looks a little bit too much like 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:41.280 Bill Paxson, and you're like right, and he's like, I 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:43.920 don't have any science balls, but screw you guys. But 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:49.240 they present I thought they present Dorothy the science machine 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:53.200 at the beginning, like we made Dorothy there is only 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:55.760 one Dorothy, but it turns out that's not true. They 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:57.720 have like at least four it. 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:02.720 For Dorothy's, just in case the other three got ruined 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:06.040 by tornadoes, which is what happened Dorothy Okay. According to 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:12.920 Scholarly Journal, Wikipedia was inspired by Toto, an instrumented barrel 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:17.400 shaped device used to research tornadoes in the nineteen eighties. 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.120 And if you look at a picture of Toto, it 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:22.720 looks very similar to the design of Dorothy. So they were, 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:27.960 you know, basing this off of real science. I don't 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:28.560 know about. 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:33.800 The They were, oh, a big barrel full of science balls, 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.440 and they're like, this is real. I don't buy it. 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:38.840 I don't buy it, but I don't care. I mean, 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:42.040 when it comes to science and movies, honestly, the less 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:45.960 you tell me, the better. I don't need, you know, 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:50.040 the big short someone turning to camera and being like, 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:52.640 here's what's going on with the science balls. They're the 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:55.560 science balls. They need the silence balls to get into 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:59.240 the twister to cure Helen Hunt's Father Wound, which reminded 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:03.440 me of Oh my god, contact. No. I was thinking 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:05.400 of clock Stoppers weirdly. 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:06.880 Oh I've never seen that. 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:10.240 Actually, No, yes, we have, we covered what No, what 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:13.920 is the movie I'm thinking of? Julia Roberts sci Fi 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:18.080 Father Wound, clock Alliver Platt. 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:20.520 Oh no, no, no, flatliners. 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:27.560 Flat Liner Clockwatchers, flat liners. Listen, this has been on 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:32.160 for five thousand years. Well, we covered not clockwatchers, but 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:36.840 rather flatliners. I contact is a way better point of reference, 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:40.240 like in every way, but I was thought of. I 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:42.640 think it's maybe the first time that we talked about 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:47.880 like a sci fi movie where the primary woman who 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:52.320 is also the romantic lead, her entire plot line is 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:57.360 connected to men via a romantic interest with the male 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:02.920 lead and then with a vague traumatic father wound from 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:04.520 the nineteen sixties. 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:05.320 Yeah. 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:09.040 True, I have to say, and I apologize to any 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:13.800 of our listeners whose father was like fatally pulled into 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:18.639 a twister. But the CGI in that scene made me 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:19.639 laugh so much. 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:22.080 It's a bit silly. 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:24.600 If your daddy got pulled into a twister, you can 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:26.800 send me a mean email and cancel me. But like, 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:29.720 I just feel like daddy getting pulled into the twister 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:34.280 is funny because the CGI and that is bad. You 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:38.000 can just see that it is an extra on a 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:44.480 green screen being like whoo b Like I was laughing. 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:48.639 Sorry, Yeah, well, I was like, okay, a movie that 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:53.760 opens with a natural disaster in which the patriarch of 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:57.280 the family dies, What is this, Paddington? 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:03.399 I Okay, see the parallels. Yeah, we're seeing through the 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:06.959 matrix and this. But I do feel like this movie. 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:09.600 It makes sense to me why this movie was very 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:15.160 successful but not particularly remembered, because it just has elements 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:20.119 of similar movies that came out around the same time, 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:25.600 with similar, if not the same actors, that were better. 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:29.240 But it is kind of like it's like cooked in 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:31.840 a lap to be a fun summer movie. I don't 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:34.440 even mean it as a criticism, but like, you know, 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:37.840 any plot point or element of Twister that you like 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:39.280 was done. 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:44.560 Better in another movie in two years, yeah. 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:45.280 Right before or after? 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:49.480 Yeah the movie. Is it a cinematic masterpiece? Perhaps not, 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:52.280 but damn if it isn't a fun romp that I'm 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:53.320 always gonna enjoy. 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:55.399 I'm smiling. It's fun. 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:58.040 It's so fun. Let's take a break and then come 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:11.440 back for the recap, shall we. Okay, here's the plot 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:17.800 of Twister. The movie opens when it's nineteen sixty nine 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:25.080 in Oklahoma. What do you mean, nothing, Jamie, nothing at all. 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:26.800 I'll tell you when you're older, yeah. 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:30.560 Tubby, yeah, Toby, tell me when I'm thirty five place. 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:33.960 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, So we're in Oklahoma. A 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:37.760 storm is blowing in. There are tornado warnings on the TV. 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:42.080 We meet a young girl named Joe as well as 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:46.320 her parents as they head to their storm cellar. There's 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:51.840 a very intense tornado that blows little Joe's dad away 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:53.720 and he died. 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:58.239 Like It's sorry. 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:01.640 It's campy. It's too campily done for what is a 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:04.800 tragic death that affects the main character for the rest 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:05.320 of the movie. 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:08.600 Yeah, you can't have cgi like that and expect me 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:12.840 to be like weighted with grief for the remainder of 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:15.679 the movie. I also thought it was equally campily funny. 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:19.760 Yeah that anytime there is this repeated image connected to 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:25.320 the opening scene that later on when who knows the fourth, fifth, sixth, 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:30.240 ninth Twister they're plowing through the wreckage of that, Helen 0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:34.919 Hunt will often see this recurring image of a mother, father, 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:37.320 and a young girl who looked like her in the 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:43.000 open but the dad in these subsequent images thankfully has 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:48.159 survived and she gives them the dirtiest little look like 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:51.679 she's like, I wish your father got sucked into the twister. 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:54.840 It is wild that there is such a through line 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:59.520 runner basically joke of how like many movies of the 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:04.640 nineties in two thousands and backwards, that therapy is ridiculous 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:07.719 because no one needs therapy more in the entire world 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:12.240 than Helen Hunt's character. Yes, oh my god, Like if 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:15.080 Melissa had really sat down with Joe and we just 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:18.520 got Bill out of there. He's the weakest of this, 0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:23.080 you know, his girl Friday, Like whatever the movie they're 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:26.399 pulling from his girl Friday. The man is the weakest player. 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:31.399 Let's sit these ladies down and have a therapy session, 0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:34.479 because that's what Joe needs. We don't need Joe running 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:38.040 into the eye of a storm that's going to kill her. 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:42.160 We need Joe to go to therapy for one second. 0:21:42.320 --> 0:21:44.359 I will say, And we can talk about this further 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:48.480 in the discussion, but it's a very common choice for 0:21:49.720 --> 0:21:54.160 a man haunted by something from his past, specifically something 0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:56.760 related to his father, and that being his motivation for 0:21:56.800 --> 0:21:58.920 the rest of the movie. That's something we see time 0:21:58.920 --> 0:22:02.560 and time again in movies for male leads, but this 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:06.200 time it's a woman, and that we don't see that much. 0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:10.080 So I yes, but I agree, like I had the 0:22:10.080 --> 0:22:11.719 same thought that you don't see that much, but I 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:14.960 don't think that gender swapping it makes it a like 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:20.359 more compelling thing to see, because the takeaway is still 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:25.840 the same, is that like, falling in heterosexual love will 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:30.720 cure this deep psychic wound, which is a bad lesson 0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:34.879 for any person. True fucking Bill Paxton will fix some 0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:39.080 of your problems, but you know, could not fix Yeah. 0:22:39.119 --> 0:22:41.800 I thought that too, and I think that there's some 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:44.960 value in it, but it just feels kind of like whatever. 0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:48.640 It feels like Ghostbusters twenty sixteen, where you're just like, oh, 0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:51.600 now women can do it, and you're like, oh, I 0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:57.360 just would rather she not don't know, or like have 0:22:57.680 --> 0:23:00.359 whatever whatever. That's not what this movie is a This 0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:02.720 movie is not about progress. It's about twisters. 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:05.600 It's so true, eight of them, and that makes you 0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:08.760 wonder how many twisters are gonna be in the movie Twisters. 0:23:09.119 --> 0:23:10.280 Apparently a lot more. 0:23:10.680 --> 0:23:12.960 Yeah, if you're gonna add the s, I feel like 0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:15.800 you're hard pressed to have more twisters in the space 0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:19.840 of a movie. I've never gotten more bang for my twister. 0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:23.680 Well, because the movie Alien has one alien in it. 0:23:23.800 --> 0:23:27.960 The movie Aliens has dozens of aliens, but the movie 0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:30.520 Twister has multiple twisters. And then I guess the movie 0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:35.479 Twisters is going to have an exponentially greater number of 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:40.399 twisters as much. So there's gonna be millions, millions of twisters. 0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:44.920 I didn't. It's gonna be like Snoke. They're like, oh, 0:23:44.960 --> 0:23:48.960 we have jars full of twisters. Pat has made so 0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:50.080 many twisters. 0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:54.959 Wow, Jamie making a Star Wars reference, I thought i'd 0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:55.520 see the day. 0:23:55.680 --> 0:23:59.000