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Speaker 1: a moment tom where you're speaking to somebody, maybe they've

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Speaker 1: cases of what we're going to be speaking about today,

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Speaker 1: I didn't mean to kill you. That's what we're going

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Speaker 1: to be talking about, the word intent and how it

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Speaker 1: led to the deaths of three men in Kansas City.

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Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybags Dave. We

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Speaker 1: have previously covered this case or I keep saying case,

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Speaker 1: and I hate when I do that, I really do,

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Speaker 1: because it's I feel as though I'm disrespecting by saying that,

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Speaker 1: because each life has value, as I think you would

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Speaker 1: by law, but it happened. I think the reason I

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Speaker 2: And they were three best friends. You know, the one

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Speaker 2: thing we learned from this show is that these men

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Speaker 2: were never seen without one another. They were always lumped

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Speaker 2: it's not even a comedy of airs. As we dig

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Speaker 2: into this, we did cover this once before because of

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Speaker 2: the nature of the deaths. You've got three grown men

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Speaker 2: But as you mentioned, we've got three men who are dead,

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Speaker 2: referred to us. What we were told is he's kind

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Speaker 2: I mean, I can't name anybody for my years in

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Speaker 1: No, No, I can't, And certainly I would not have

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Speaker 1: have had any any shot at that. This guy, uh

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Speaker 2: He did not become an intellectual guy based on what

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Speaker 2: Well, all right, now, these three men were all found

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to dismiss the horror of these three fellows,

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Speaker 1: remember when this case actually dropped, Dave, and we're I

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Speaker 2: She's ringing his phone, she's checking social media. They're all

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00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 2: reaching out to Jordan Willis because it was at his house.

430
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,239
Speaker 2: And when she shows up to try to find her

431
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: fiance she realized, hey, his vehicle is here, and so

432
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: are the other guys. Their cars are all still here.

433
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 2: She goes up, can't get Jordan Willis to answer his

434
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: phone or the door. She starts looking around and actually

435
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 2: accesses through the basement, a basement window, and she gets

436
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 2: in there and is able to see one of the

437
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: men's body out on the back porch, and that's when

438
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 2: she calls police. Police arrive again it's later in the evening.

439
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: It's not in the early part of the day. It's

440
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: actually after dark, about ten o'clock at night when police

441
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 2: show up, and that's when they find the three dead

442
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: men on the back and that's when Jordan Willis answers

443
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,479
Speaker 2: the door, dressed for bed like he's been sleeping with

444
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 2: a wine glass in his hand. A neighbor actually shot

445
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: video showing him in handcuffs. Actually at some point during

446
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: the course of this evening. Now January twelfth, forensic and

447
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: medical examiner confirmed the deaths were due to fentanyl and

448
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 2: cocaine toxicity. Joe, they find the bodies on January ninth,

449
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: three days later, they're confirming the death they're due to

450
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,479
Speaker 2: fending on cocaine. Is that faster? Is that normal?

451
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: That's incredibly fast, And I think the motivation behind this

452
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: day is you've got three dead they don't know what

453
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: they're dealing with at this point in tom they have

454
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: no idea. So yeah, in answer to your question, yeah,

455
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: that's remarkably fast.

456
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 2: Dave, Okay. Well, January twenty third, lab analysis confirms the

457
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 2: presence of cocaine and fentanyl and seized drug samples. They

458
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,479
Speaker 2: found baggies inside and that's what they found in them,

459
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 2: cocaine and fentanyl. July tenth. Now go several months forward now,

460
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,479
Speaker 2: and this was the part about covering this story that

461
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 2: for many of us was very difficult. We had a

462
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 2: lot of information in the first couple of days and

463
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 2: then nothing, I mean just nothing. July tenth, DNA evidence

464
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: matches Willis, identifying him as a major contributor. July twenty

465
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: third lab test confirm one bag contained cocaine and another

466
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: contained fentanyl.

467
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: Whoa, wha, whoa. I got to tell you I stand

468
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: corrected here because now this shed's an entirely different light

469
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: on this, Dave, because you know how I said, You know,

470
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: I made reference to you know you had talked about

471
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: the bowl, right, and I know that you know you

472
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: were just you know, using that as an example. However,

473
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: it really takes us back to this gentleman in his

474
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: high school years, doesn't it. It does. You began thinking about, well,

475
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:52,479
Speaker 1: was he trying to was he trying to mix things

476
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: together at this point in tom and give them to

477
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: his friends.

478
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 2: They haven't actually given us a full picture. That'll come later.

479
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: Because what I was thinking is that these are adult

480
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 2: men who know drugs know what they are. We all

481
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: know fentanyl is deadly. And the fact that they found

482
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 2: the police found these bags that were separate. They found

483
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 2: the fentanyl and found the cocaine in separate bags. I

484
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: don't know that the dead men here actually knew those

485
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: drugs in those bags. We don't know was the mad

486
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 2: scientist mixing these things together. Let's say he has those

487
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: upstairs in a room and he mixes them together and

488
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: brings down his new designer drug concoction. You know, we

489
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 2: don't know that yet. We just know that investigators did

490
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: find cocaine in one bag, fentanyl and another. If they

491
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: were mixed together, it was mixed together on site by

492
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 2: one of the men, and we have to we don't

493
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: have to assume, but I'm going to say that Jordan

494
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: willis the chemist, the scientist would have been the guy

495
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: mixing these drugs up. Does that not make sense?

496
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: I think that he I think that he would probably

497
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: be at the top of the list, you know, given

498
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: his you know, scientific background. You know, if he's if

499
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: he's the one, you know kind of you know, I

500
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: don't know where it's of Bob deling down in the

501
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: basement mixing up the medicine, right, you know, I don't know,

502
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: you know that certainly might be the case here. He

503
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: would be the number one candidate if I was the

504
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: investigator on this case, you know, trying to unwind all

505
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: of this information and put together this timeline.

506
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: Now, after police had the info on July twenty third,

507
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: you know, we got cocaine, we got fence and all,

508
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: and we got the already had fingerprints and everything else. Okay,

509
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: But day after that, on July twenty fourth, investigators interview Iverycurson.

510
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 2: They bring him in and you know how these these

511
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 2: police investigations go. You can our interviews go. You can

512
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: watch them online on YouTube. I encourage you to watch

513
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 2: them because police come to you with just enough information

514
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 2: to let you know they have info, but they don't

515
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: give you all of it because a lot of times

516
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: they don't have all of it. They have just enough

517
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: that they believe you're guilty of something, but they don't

518
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: have enough. You got to fill in the blanks and

519
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 2: they'll get you to do that. They're brilliant at this

520
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 2: Irey Carson admits that he did sell drugs, so cocaine

521
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 2: by the Graham to Johnson. Willis Harrington ammcghiney before January first,

522
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, So before the football game he had

523
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: sold them. Each one of these guys cocaine by the Graham.

524
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 2: I don't know what it costs per gram, guessing around

525
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,399
Speaker 2: one hundred bucks. That's what it used to be at

526
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: any rate. Each one of these guys, according to Carson,

527
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: bought drugs from him cocaine separately. July twenty fix forensic

528
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 2: July twenty six, forensic data extraction from Harrington's phone. How

529
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 2: many times do we see this now? Where the boy

530
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: investigators get that phone and they are pulling even if

531
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: you use they think you deleted him. Do you think

532
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 2: you didn't save it? They have messages confirming Carson as

533
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: the primary cocaine supplier. Make sure you understand cocaine supplier.

534
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 2: At no point in time do this say?

535
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: Does it say fentanyl supplier? Yeah? And that's that's key here,

536
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: I think. And if you've got and isn't it interesting

537
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: you know that you would have this fellow saying that

538
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: he had sold to all of these gentlemen at some

539
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: point in time. And if I guess, I guess it

540
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: begs the question where, in fact did the fentanyl come from.

541
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,720
Speaker 1: You know, what's the origin of it? And how long

542
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: had this individual or individuals. I don't really know how

543
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: to frame this. I'm at a loss. How long had

544
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 1: this fentanyl been there? You know, are there other instances

545
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: where or maybe something else had been mixed up, another

546
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 1: batch had been mixed up, because obviously there's a history here, Dave,

547
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: and I really wonder if that's if that's what the

548
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 1: police are exploring, you know, in in this particular case.

549
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 2: Wow, that's that's a whole new day, isn't it.

550
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is. I think it is because you know,

551
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: these guys had apparently partied together, and if they hadn't,

552
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: I would find it that you would have four individuals

553
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: that had reached out to this one individual and you know,

554
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:38,959
Speaker 1: Carson for cocaine, and that they you know, indulged individually.

555
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: You you know, you would think that, yeah, we're going

556
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: to hang out together and we're gonna you know, and

557
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: vibe if you will, smoking.

558
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: Smok a little marijuana, drinking some beer, have a coke.

559
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: I mean, look, granted, a lot of people party like

560
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: that in their college days and shortly after that. Usually

561
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 2: by the time you're in your late thees that has changed,

562
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: not always. And I'm not dogging these guys out by

563
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 2: any stretch of the imagination. Okay, bless their hearts. I

564
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: agree with police when they said, this goes to show

565
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: you what happens when you decide you want to party

566
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: with street drugs because you don't know. We've talked a

567
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: lot about FENTONYL and how because it is such a

568
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 2: it's just vicious. You just don't know how much you're

569
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: going to get and how much it's going to cost

570
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 2: you in the end. In this respect, we have three

571
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: dead men and one live guy, and that's why there's charges.

572
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: I mean, did he have fentanyl in his system? Did

573
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 2: they take blood from him from Jordan Willis? I don't know.

574
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 2: We'll find out later.

575
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I suspect that they that they didn't. I don't know.

576
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: They may have compelled him to participate in a blood

577
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: draw for all that.

578
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: How long would how long would cocaine or stay in

579
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 2: your system?

580
00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: Well? I think that honestly, honestly, I don't have an

581
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 1: answer to that question. How long it would take to metabolize,

582
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: to make it all the way through your system. I

583
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: know that there would be some remnant there. However, I would,

584
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: you know, I would find it odd that they would

585
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: have compelled him to do a blood draw. They very

586
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: well might have, or maybe your analysis, I don't know

587
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,959
Speaker 1: what kind of authority that they would have. They would

588
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: have to get a warrant for that in order to

589
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 1: facilitate that. In a case like this, you know, it's

590
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: not like it's not like he's applying for a job here.

591
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 1: They're doing a death investigation. So you've got a whole

592
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: new bevy of rules that apply to an instance like this.

593
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: But this brings us back to the note that we

594
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 1: started on. We got three dead guys all right now.

595
00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: Whether or not you intended that this afternoon and evening

596
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: of partying would wind up in their deaths, in them

597
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: subsequently being found outside days later, it doesn't matter. Dead

598
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: is dead now. The fact that they have been charged

599
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: with involuntary at least under the law in most places,

600
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: would give us an indication that there was no intent.

601
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: But we know this. There are families out there now

602
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: that are absent, three lives that can never be replaced.

603
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: We're going to stay on this case and see where

604
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 1: the road leads. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is bodybacks,