WEBVTT - Draft Show: Scouting Search 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:08.680 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:12.560 war room for insider news and draft analysis from deep 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:16.480 within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Frisco, 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:26.360 Dallas Cowboys, and now your host, Kyle Yeoman's Today is Thursday, 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:31.080 February twenty third. As we are sixty man, I lost 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:35.280 count sixty four days away from the NFL Draft in 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:38.000 Kansas City. Don't make a don't say that again, because 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:41.160 Aisha is gonna throw up. Why is that she? She's 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:46.160 she's already counting the days. I know, that's the show. 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:48.440 I know. But you're you're putting her on nerve alert, 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:52.000 is what you're doing right now? Sixty four days away? 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:55.160 Almost say anying with confidence just fell out of the chair. 0:00:55.920 --> 0:01:00.520 My apple sauce up, I'm apple sauce, yes up. You're 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:07.360 chopping it up? Yeah yeah, Well glad you didn't. You 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:09.280 stayed up right, And it's time to break down some 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:12.080 draft prospects. Here on the Draft Show, presented by Miller Lite. 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:14.840 We've got Bobby Belt, Brian brought us, Sack Wolchuk all 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:16.760 three from one oh five three the Fan. We've got 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:19.600 Dallas Cowboys dot COM's own I Yusha Morrison. I'm Kyle 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:22.520 Yeoman's glad you're with us. And well, yesterday we did 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:24.920 a lot of tell me more, talked a lot about 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:27.560 specific prospects. We did some would you rather? We heard 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:31.320 about different prospects that could potentially emerge over these next 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:33.600 couple of months. Today, I want to talk about the 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:37.800 NFL Combine. Oh, the National Scouting Combine starts next week 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:40.560 in Indianapolis, and there are going to be some prospects 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:43.800 that shine out in Indie and Bobby, I know you've 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:45.280 got your finger on the pulse of a lot of 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:47.680 these guys already. I want to I want to know 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:53.920 some some potential combine explosions. Who's gonna really test well? Oh, 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.960 there's uh, there's several guys. There's the guy we were 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:59.320 just talking about before the show started that Brian was 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:03.320 getting very sad about Trenton Simpson from Clemson. He's gonna 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:06.560 test really well, I think, Um, I bet he will. 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:10.240 That's a scouts are right there. I think that. Uh, 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:12.000 you know, and there's been some chatter about this. I 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:14.960 know we're talking about this during the break yesterday, but um, 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:17.760 you know, you start hand some chatter that Lucas Vandess 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:21.119 is gonna test really well from Iowa, which I don't 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:24.560 know does does does he good grunt? Does he look 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:27.239 like elite testing when you watch him, I don't see 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:30.200 an elite tester like when he's playing. I'll tell you 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:31.840 we're gonna do it. I think we're gonna do an 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:34.920 episode one day of the guys that you had the 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:38.520 biggest chance to be wrong about. Let's do that. I 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:41.560 mean up there, yeah, because because you guys, I mean, 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:44.480 I'm talking to my teammates here, my scouts in the 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:48.400 room and we're chopping up these players pre pre show. 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:52.040 And you guys got me scared. You've got me nervous. 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:55.919 That lady over there's got me nervous too, she's looking 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:59.240 at but anyway, but no, I think that Vanes I 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:03.519 could see I could see an Iowa guide testing well, 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:06.240 I absolutely could they. And I just said this about 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:08.440 because she said this earlier in one of our episodes. 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.720 You watch these kids from Iowa play. They are good. 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:15.799 They are good, fundamentally sound players. They work extremely hard. 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:18.880 They struggle an offense a little bit, but other than that, 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:21.520 they're really really a good program. I just kind of 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:23.080 feel like that he's a kid that's going to go 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:25.000 to the Combine and do well. He'll be, He'll be. 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:27.720 He's probably working out the minute. The minute the season 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.160 ended for Iowa, he was probably working out getting ready 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:33.080 for the Combine. Yeah, I think I think Christian Gonzalez 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:36.920 is going to test really really well from Corner from Oregon. Yeah. 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:41.360 You know a guy that I think will perform really 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:43.720 well who's not necessarily going to be up near the 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:46.600 top for people, He's not going to be a household 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:50.040 name is Trede Dean at Florida Okay Trading. In fact, 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:51.760 he was at the Shrine Bowl. I saw this yesterday, 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:54.880 which is interesting because I know he's gonna test well 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:57.640 and this was from the Shrine Bowl. Trade Dean was 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:00.800 in the ninety nine percentile of Breakaway his database for 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:04.000 hip flip time, and that's a metric that captures how 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:07.280 smooth and oily at DB's hips are. So it's basically 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:10.800 chip tracking to kind of figure out who's most efficiently 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:13.600 flipping their hips and can do that, and he's up 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:16.400 near the top of that. I think Byron Young from 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:18.400 Tennessee is another one that's going to test really well. 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:21.000 A little bit of a shorter edge and then obviously 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:26.680 young yes edge from Tennessee. And then I think, you know, 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:30.120 you've got the obvious ones like like I mentioned Christian Zalez, 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:33.719 Trenton Simpson, You've got Will Anderson who I think will 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:36.840 test really well. You know. So those are some of 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:39.359 the guys that I think stand out as guys we 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:42.039 could see really blow things up this week, Zach, when 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.200 you're looking at some of these players and you're going 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:48.200 through and you're watching the tape in the film, the 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:52.600 Iowa linebacker was the first one, the van Ness who 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:54.599 you guys were just talking about. You didn't like the 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:56.680 way that he looked on film compared to way he 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:59.600 might test. Sure, are there any other guys like that 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:03.520 where on film they look like X but in the 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:06.000 combine they're gonna explode and they're just gonna play a 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:08.599 lot better or they're gonna test a lot better. You know. 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:11.400 I think a guy like Rashi Rice right at receiver 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:14.600 not fast, not fast, and he's a guy that on 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:16.680 tape also like, I don't think that's a dude that's 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:18.800 gonna test well. I don't think his numbers you're gonna 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:20.799 be very good. But to me, you throw them the football. 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:22.599 He's just gonna go get it. He's just a guy 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:26.040 that performs the productions there, uh some line I think 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.600 there's a lot of linebackers in this in this class 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:31.760 that I don't know how they're getting. Like Jack Campbell, Yeah, 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:34.000 I don't know, Like he's another Iowa kids Jack Campbell, 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:35.599 a guy that's gonna test well. But I think he 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:37.480 might be one of the best, if not the best, 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:40.440 linebackers in this class. And it's not a good linebacker 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:43.479 class in my opinion. Could Ringo from George To be 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:45.880 that guy? I thought you watched the tape and you're 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.719 kind of like, oh, man, I don't know, I don't know, 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:50.320 and then he makes a play. I mean he's kind 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:51.920 of a little bit of an off and on player. 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:55.000 But maybe he's gonna you know, he's gonna measure really well. 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:58.360 He's gonna he's gonna probably do the short shuttle, I mean, 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:00.960 the quickness stuff for a big guy. It's gonna be 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:03.920 impressive him running around and T shirt and short. I 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:06.320 think the difference is like the athleticism with Ringo, it 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:08.279 shows up like I don't think it's like a lack 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:11.360 of athleticism when you watch Ringo's problems on tape. In fact, 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:12.719 I feel like a lot of times he's got like 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:15.400 makeup speed on things where it's like he's clearly blown 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:18.520 a coverage or gotten beat or something like. The difference 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:20.600 for me with somebody like van Ness, who I mean, 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:23.919 everybody has has been talking about how he will go 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:26.320 out there and he's going to test pretty well and 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:28.920 then that he should be one of the the bigger 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:32.320 stars of the combine week with his testing. That's interesting 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:34.880 to me because when you watch him, I mean, I 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:38.080 think you see decent athleticism, but I didn't see him 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:40.400 on tape and go, oh my gosh, this is a standout. 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:43.360 But to be fair, I also remember not thinking, even 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:44.839 though I liked him as a player, I remember not 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:46.960 thinking t J. Watt was going to test like one 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:50.440 of the most athletic rushers of all time. And so 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:53.080 it may be a case, you know where because Watt 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:54.560 was asked to do a lot of the push poll 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:58.640 technique and wasn't you know, showing and so I mean, 0:06:58.640 --> 0:06:59.880 it could just be that it could be the van 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:02.279 As as a guy similar to Watt, and then that 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:04.000 he'll go out here and he'll test put up and 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:05.760 saying numbers and go okay, he just wasn't given a 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:08.520 chance necessarily to display that with the way he was playing. 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:10.960 Could let me ask you guys this the Iowa thing 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:15.720 because we've struggled a little bit, Like with Golston, Chauncy 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:18.000 go with the Cowboys. I thought he was a player 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.280 that you couldn't run outside on him, you know, when 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:23.280 he was at Iowa. Yeah, I wonder if scheme hurts 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:27.360 some of these kids, doesn't make them shine like they 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:31.679 probably should shine. Sure, I mean maybe not just Iowa, 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:34.280 but have you guys watched some players and I'm not 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:37.320 asking your name, guys, but we feel like scheme hurts 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:40.520 him a little bit, Like, man, this player could be 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:43.240 better if they weren't having a two gap this thing 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:45.000 all the time. And I mean the two gap where 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:47.480 you you extend, you look inside, you look outside, and 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:49.720 you get rid of blockers. If you just let this 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:52.520 guy go and play, he'd be a much better player 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:54.600 than that. Well, and to your point, I actually touched 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:57.880 bass with Chauncey Golston this season and kind of asked him, like, 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:00.720 you know, I saw him really a merging at DT 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:03.480 and seeing success there and I asked them just kind 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:05.320 of how it was, you know, playing edge and how 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:07.200 different though because we I know I was under the 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.600 impression same thing, like oh this is a great US defender, 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:11.480 and I still think he is a good age defender. 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:14.280 But I remember asking him like, how different is it 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:15.560 for you? And he was just like, you're on an 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:18.480 island at d N. And I think it's also different 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:21.920 at d N now because of how many mobile quarterbacks 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:24.480 there are in the league now and how much the 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:28.920 RPO and run action has become an emphasis and offenses 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:31.000 depending on which offense you're going against. I think that's 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:33.679 a big thing that's kind of changing the d in 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:36.120 position and just how sound you have to be there 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:39.280 because it could be it could be curtains for you. 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:42.480 We saw a lot of defenses with offenses attack edges 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:44.560 and the run game this year, and I think that's 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:46.840 because of just the fact that these d ns are 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:49.600 are are having to adjust to how much they're being 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:51.520 ran at, like people not just running up the middle 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:53.600 like that catch your real quick question. Then, Okay, when 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:57.280 you guys are all watching defensive ends, do you want 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:02.640 the guy like Tank Lawrence who plays both well, or 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:05.360 you want the guy that's the pass rusher. Well, see 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:07.839 that's a van Ness right, Like van Ness, I think 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:11.000 does both really well. Yeah, but I don't I think 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:14.319 he might be limited in his pass rush ability. And 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:16.280 that's why I'm a little bit hesitant when you talk 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:18.880 about a first round pick. I think you might want 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:20.920 a guy that gives you a little bit more of 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.400 a skill set and his ability to rush the passer. 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:25.120 But I do think he does. I think he's a 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:27.679 good all around player and maybe that's why people like him. 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:30.520 And maybe if he tests really well, that answers some 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:34.240 of your questions on that. He does have explosiveness, he 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:36.720 does have some of that burst that where you think, Okay, 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:38.760 he does have some more tools, and to your point 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.080 about the scheme, yeah, maybe that's why maybe he's been 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:42.840 boxed in and hasn't been able to showcase some of that. 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:45.440 I also think another thing is a lot of these 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:48.640 guys are standing up right there in that three point stance. 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:50.400 You don't see a lot of hand in the ground. 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:52.880 For like Tyree Wilson's a good example of that. Texas 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:56.160 Tech outsideline backer and in the NFL, a lot of 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:58.240 these dudes now sometimes like Michael Parsons is a good 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:00.800 example of this. They're having him stand end up. Maybe 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:03.320 the NFL's kind of transition to this, but you know, 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:05.120 it seemed like the Cowboys were worried about that. With 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:07.120 t J. Watt, you didn't get to see him put 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:09.160 his hand on the ground and play that you know, 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:11.839 stationary four three defensive end. A lot of these guys, 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:14.959 even a Diona White from Georgia Tech, he's standing up 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:18.640 on the outside. He's not doing that prototype put your 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:20.600 hand down and go rush the pastor you talk about 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:23.840 a scheme hurting a player. Micah Parsons was in that category. 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:27.000 If he would have shown any type of pass rushability 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.400 on his Penn State tape, I challenge anybody to find 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:33.920 him rushing the pass from Blitzen's he would be the 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:36.000 number one, number two, number three pick in that draft. 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:38.480 He wouldn't have made it anywhere close to the Cowboys 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:40.760 at twelve. It would have never happened, And you can 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:43.199 talk about maybe the opposite way around look at it. 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:46.200 We mentioned a little bit of Isaiah Simmons prior to 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:49.440 the show because we were talking about Clemson linebackers in 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:52.480 the draft. But Isaiah Simmons was a guy who benefited 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:54.440 from the scheme, but then whenever he got to the NFL, 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:57.079 they thought his traits would translate. He's still in the NFL. 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:59.280 He's a decent player, but he's not that top ten 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:01.840 guy that they initially thought they were getting in Arizona. 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:03.680 I don't know if I have more trouble I usha 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:08.400 with the Will McDonald's and the Nolan Smith's as I 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:10.800 do the other guys. So Nolan Smith, Georgia and yeah, 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.120 Will McDonald I always saying. I mean, I'm trying to 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:15.520 figure out. I'm trying to figure out do I want 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:19.680 that two hundred thirty five pound guy like that or 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:21.120 do I want a guy that's got a little bit 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:24.040 more stoutness to him. That's the struggle I run with 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.679 every day and now with teams going back to running 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:28.680 the ball until your point about the way you play 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:31.520 the RPOs and these guys are flying up the field, 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:33.760 and they take these guys' ability to get up the 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:37.080 field away from them because they're they're fooling him with 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:40.840 the way the offensive scheme is. Yeah, I mean, so 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:43.200 when you mentioned, like, you know, Will McDonald's my dude, 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:45.720 that's my dude. So and when you talk about edge 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:48.199 is something that like I've been trying to really working 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:50.960 through as I'm watching them, is like, Okay, so what's 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:54.400 the pursuit, Like, what's the what's the effort? Like, like, 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:57.760 even if this guy is in super stout against the run, 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:01.520 is he trying? Is he? Because I just I wonder 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.960 if it's going to become a discussion of like do 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:07.160 you pick or choose is the guy? Are you going 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.000 to pick the guy that's pass rushi or you're gonna 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:10.280 pick the guy that isn't going to be able to 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:13.120 stop the run as well or vice versa, because like 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:14.960 we just said, like we just talked about it feels 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:17.720 like the DM position is being asked. It's always been 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:19.959 asked to do a lot, but now like these guys 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:22.080 coming in are doing I think they're being asked to 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:24.520 do more than what they're they're used to at this point. 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:27.520 That's a great point and putting all of those different 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:32.080 elements together, there's four or five guys right up at 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:34.520 the top of the edge rusher class that are names 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:37.600 that you'll hear quite a bit. Will Anderson Alabama, Miles 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:40.719 Murphy from Clemson, Tyree Wilson. We've mentioned him a couple 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:46.400 of times from Texas Tech, Lucas Vanesse from Iowa, Nolan Smith, Bjilari, 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:51.080 Isaiah Fosky, Notre Dame, Bjoelari. By the way, out of 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.280 those guys, who do you feel like does have the 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:56.920 most versatile skill set out of the guys that you've 0:12:56.920 --> 0:13:00.280 watched in that group of edge rushers, who had that 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:03.000 that most unique skill set? Because like Zach said earlier, 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:04.840 that may be the guy that goes in the first 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:07.600 round and makes some noise name I'm a gun. Who 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:12.040 are they so? Will Anderson, Miles Murphy, Tyrie Wilson, Lucas 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:15.960 van Nest, Nolan Smith, b j Ojilari, Isaiah Fosky. Those 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:19.319 were the ones I named. If there's somebody else well rounded, yeah, 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:21.520 most well rounded out of those, I mean in terms 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:25.120 of playing both well. Van Ness does play both well. 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:27.520 I think he is. He's complete. He doesn't like have 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:30.160 a total like hole in his game. I mean, Tyrie 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.600 Wilsons probably gonna go on the top five. Wilson, Wilson's 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:34.920 my guy. Wilson's my guy. Wilson to me, I think 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.480 is going to be that. That's that's the guy that 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:40.680 I think plays the run really well while still has 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:43.120 huge upside as a pass rusher. Does he have that 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:46.280 effort that aish just talking about that, that willingness to 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:48.240 go in and blow up the run? Yeah, I think 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.280 I think Tyrie Wilson absolutely. Yeah. The thing about when 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:53.760 you watch Wilson play, to me, when you when these 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:56.640 defensive ends and stuff his ability to get up the 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.360 field and then retrace. Yes, So when when somebody like 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:01.800 a sudden like, that's the thing you worry about if 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:03.920 you're a pass rusher and all of a sudden they 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:06.680 run the ball runs inside, but you're flying up the field. 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.120 Now you've got to turn and run back to get 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:11.400 to the ball, like he'sh just talking about right there. 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:13.520 You know, that's the thing I think you get with 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:16.840 with Wilson. Six six, two seventy five. That's the numbers 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.840 I'm working with right now. I see a disruptive guy, 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:23.440 and I mean when I mean disruptive pass rush, disruptive 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:27.600 tackle behind the line of scrimmage, disruptive. Yeah, this guy, 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:30.160 I mean, there's a lot to like about him on 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:32.360 my board. Personally, I got him above Anderson, and I 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:35.040 think Anderson's an hellable football player. I really, really, there 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:37.320 are going to be several teams that have Tyree Wilson 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:39.240 above will right. I think if you're a coach, a 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:42.400 position coach, like, you're salivating over this guy because I 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:44.880 think he's got the most unique skill set. He's got 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:47.040 all the traits, and you're thinking, if I can get 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:49.680 him into my room, Oh my gosh, what can I 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:51.960 do with this guy? Because Brian's right, Like, even if 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:54.480 he seems out of position, if he gets caught up 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:57.840 field that length that he has, you think he's out 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:00.600 of position to make a play. All of a sudden, 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:04.320 he's diving. This guy makes up three yards in the 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:06.760 blink of an eye. It's crazy, and he has a 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:10.880 unique ability with his left hand to then get an 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:14.440 offensive tackle off balance. He comes back and rips. It's 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:16.880 a thing of beauty to get a guy to all 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:18.760 of a sudden get a set. I mean, Tyree Wilson 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:22.120 is a fun watch. I also love Miles Murphy to 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:24.640 talk about it. Miles Murphy is just an I think 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:28.840 he's that the size six five two sixty three. Sometimes 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:30.400 he gets pushed off the ball, but he can play 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:32.480 both sides. He can play the right and the left side. 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:34.600 He's got long arms, He's built to play the position. 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:36.560 He's also got a high motor. There's a dude that 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:39.040 doesn't quit on the play. Can chase plays down from behind. 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:42.320 He's got you know, he's long around the edge. I 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:45.120 think he sets up tackles well. He sometimes can get 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:46.680 caught out of position in the run game, but he's 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:49.480 always in the backfield. I think he's also a disruptive player, 0:15:49.520 --> 0:15:52.720 like we talked about Tyree Wilson, and to me, he's 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:55.640 got that hand movement. You know, I think a lot 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:58.160 of lineman as we talk about now you brought this 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:01.000 up as well. What sets some of these guys apart 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:04.200 in college is their hand play. And I think Miles 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:06.480 Murphy has that to his advantage and he can take 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:09.160 that and he can hit the ground running transitioning from 0:16:09.160 --> 0:16:10.880 as a rookie to the NFL. I think one of 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:13.160 his best traits too, is he's always swiping at the ball. 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:15.240 You know, you get him in the pocket, you know, 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:18.320 you start talking about turnovers and stuff. He has. They 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:20.920 must work on that a lot at Clemson because he 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:23.360 has a feel for where that ball is and he's 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:25.760 hammering on it. Would it be crazy to put Murphy 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:28.400 in front of Will Anderson? Is that? Is that too 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:30.520 much to ask? Because Anderson, like you said, I like 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:34.240 him as a player. I've got Anderson above Murphy right now. 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:37.000 But I've thought about the switch at least I've had 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:39.280 that as I've had it, and I've played around with 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:41.320 it on my spreadsheet a little bit. To flip those 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:44.360 two guys, is which one would you rather have if 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:47.600 you were in a GM shoes between Miles Murphy and 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:51.000 Will Anderson. Anybody want to answer, I'd want Anderson. I mean, 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:54.120 like all three of these guys, Wilson, Murphy, Anderson, they're 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:56.200 all like very high upside guys. I think there's still 0:16:56.240 --> 0:17:00.720 a little bit more of a projection with Murphy in 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:02.360 terms of he's got to become more of like a 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:04.760 polished pass rusher. Yeah, yeah, because I think at times 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:08.960 he just wins with being a freak. And so for me, 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:10.760 I think he's still got a show that he can 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:13.600 build out that tool kit. Like for me, Will Anderson's there, 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:15.560 Like Will Anderson's one of the more advanced rushers. I 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:18.080 feel like it's class and so to me, that's more 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.600 of a sure thing. I know, what I'm getting. It's 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:23.040 a little bit of the question of you remember it 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:26.000 years ago, Brian, it was gosh, who am I thinking? Okay, 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.200 so it was like you remember the comparison as rushers 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:31.080 between like a Joey Bosa and a Noah Spence, like 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:34.320 how I were, and like Bosa was the tactician who 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:37.320 was like, he may get ten sacks a year, but 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:39.800 like there's no telling how much better he's gonna get. 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:42.880 I think Will Anderson's just a safe will come in here, 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:46.040 will rush the passer immediately, And Miles Murphy is a 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:48.960 much more high upside type of guy potentially. Yeah, I 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:51.399 mean you'll already know, like Will McDonald's my dude. He 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:53.200 kind of put on a clinic at the Senior Bowl. 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:58.760 And I'm really into multiple sport players. Yeah, like this 0:17:58.880 --> 0:18:02.879 guy skateboard, he serves, he plays soccer. He's a martial artist. 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:05.000 You can see it in Renaissance Man, you can see 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:07.639 it in his play. You can see how versatile he is. 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:10.040 You talk about the hands and what he can do there, 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:12.199 and he's such a I mean even his stance, his 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:14.720 stance in itself is gonna give tackles to me, gonna 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:17.560 give tackles problem because he's not he's almost to the ground, 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:19.440 he's not always to the ground. Like I think he 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:21.440 is a guy that can come in and stand up 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:25.520 and the pursuit is really there for him. I personally, 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:27.359 I feel like he's going to move up some people's 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:30.320 boards if he performs. Would you put him in that conversation? 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:33.800 I would not. I don't. So I like watching the 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:36.720 I like watching when we get a top tier addresser 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:38.840 against the top tier tackle or something like that. And 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:43.239 like I think you saw consistently with McDonald going up 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:49.880 against Scronsky, he was just stonewalled every single time. That's 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:52.240 why he's gonna McDonald is, well, these guys who's gonna 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:53.960 have to test really well this week. Yeah, but like 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:56.440 because that'll be you need to see the confirmation of okay, 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:58.640 there's the athleticism, we know all that about it. Because 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:00.680