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Speaker 2: sitting down with Joe Yun otherwise known as Joe Therapy

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Speaker 1: I ended up going right to Florida for the opportunity

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Speaker 1: at the Golf Academy so they had an opening and

437
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Speaker 1: stayed connected with them throughout Massage Therapy School and actually

438
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Speaker 1: just kind of implemented and inserted myself into their golf school,

439
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,199
Speaker 1: so it was really cool. So I was doing my

440
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Speaker 1: fitness training and then anyone who needed therapy or anything

441
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 1: on the side, they would hop in and see me

442
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Speaker 1: or the other therapists. So it was very easy transition.

443
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Speaker 1: And that's where I start to learn a little bit

444
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Speaker 1: more about how to structure things, how to have a

445
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Speaker 1: good workout program. It's a little bit more next level

446
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: thinking than just you know, bust out. You know, three

447
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: reps or ten reps of bench press and going to

448
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 1: this exercise was really cool. Learned a lot about, you know,

449
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Speaker 1: assessing people.

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Speaker 2: Right, and so when you're doing this, do you have

451
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Speaker 2: an idea of where you want to take this aspect

452
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Speaker 2: of your career or are you just completely content at

453
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Speaker 2: the golf situation or what do you have going on.

454
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Speaker 1: At the time. Golf was great because I grew up

455
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Speaker 1: playing golf, really loving the sport, and you know, there's

456
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Speaker 1: a lot of different I actually took a position up

457
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Speaker 1: in New Jersey. I lived in Morristown actually not too

458
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Speaker 1: far from here for a little bit to take another

459
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Speaker 1: golf job opportunity, and I thought everything was going great,

460
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 1: but there was just a cap and ceiling on. You know,

461
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 1: it's not all about money, but you have to make

462
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Speaker 1: enough money to live, especially up in this area. And

463
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 1: I was just capped working for someone. And then that's

464
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Speaker 1: when things kind of pivoted a little bit with my career.

465
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Speaker 1: It was I really love this sport, and I love

466
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Speaker 1: the training and therapy aspect of it, but right now,

467
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Speaker 1: it's just not paying the bills, right, So I felt

468
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Speaker 1: like I needed to pivot a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so what happens in the pivot?

470
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Speaker 1: So I became an entrepreneur, which was probably stupid at

471
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Speaker 1: the time but great now. I figured I was like,

472
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Speaker 1: I can't make enough money working for someone, especially in

473
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Speaker 1: the training industry. I think a lot of people in

474
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Speaker 1: the fitness professional world, they know if you're working for someone,

475
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 1: it's a lot. It's probably a little bit easier because

476
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Speaker 1: it takes the responsibility off of you, you know, like

477
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Speaker 1: overhead and brands and everything, but you're kind of capped

478
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Speaker 1: at how much you can make. And that could be

479
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 1: good for some people, but it just wasn't for me.

480
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: I was I wanted to kind of do my own thing.

481
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Speaker 1: And you also have to rely on not saying anything

482
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Speaker 1: stupid because you represent a company now. And I was like,

483
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Speaker 1: I just want to do me. So I decided to

484
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: quit and I moved back down to Florida to become

485
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Speaker 1: an entrepreneur. And then this is where I got that

486
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 1: nice kicking the ass, like what the hell did you do?

487
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Speaker 1: I thought everything was just going to go back to

488
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Speaker 1: how it was before I left, and I would get

489
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Speaker 1: my old clients back, I would make the same amount

490
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Speaker 1: of income that I did, and I was totally wrong.

491
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Speaker 1: Everyone else had their own trainer, everyone else was part

492
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Speaker 1: of academy who already had a staff, and I could

493
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Speaker 1: not pick up clients at all. So this is when

494
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Speaker 1: I realized being an entrepreneurs way harder than it looks,

495
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: and you should probably have a plan going in because

496
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Speaker 1: I kind of wung it or it wong it.

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Speaker 2: I get a lot of questions actually from people that

498
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 2: are looking at what I'm doing, and they say, I

499
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Speaker 2: really want to do my own thing. I totally all

500
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Speaker 2: of the perks that you mentioned. I don't want to

501
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Speaker 2: have a boss. I just want to report to myself.

502
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Speaker 2: And I feel as though while everyone could try to

503
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Speaker 2: do it, there are definitely certain types of people or

504
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 2: certain personality types that, when presented with the opportunity to

505
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 2: become an entrepreneur, they would thrive versus sinking. There's nothing

506
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 2: wrong with being the kind of person that thrives in

507
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Speaker 2: an office environment.

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00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no way. Like a lot of people talk about, oh,

509
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Speaker 1: you have to be an entrepreneur, entrepreneur, I'm like you.

510
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: I have so many friends who crush it in their

511
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Speaker 1: jobs and they are doing very you know, awesome things,

512
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Speaker 1: making great incomes. But they work for someone. But you know,

513
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Speaker 1: I think for some different for different industries, it's a

514
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 1: little bit different.

515
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So how do you get out of the hole? Yeah?

516
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So that was that was the tough part was

517
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: I had to pivot a little bit and back in

518
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Speaker 1: Florida because a golf thing wasn't really working. I decided

519
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Speaker 1: to pivot to more of the massage therapy side of things.

520
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Speaker 1: And it was a big bodybuilding community down in Florida.

521
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Speaker 1: Everyone's a fitness competitor and the gym I was going

522
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Speaker 1: to is you know, everyone was just pumping iron down there,

523
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: and I realized a lot of people they didn't really

524
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Speaker 1: do too much recovery work, and there was only maybe

525
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: one or two people who really specialize in working with

526
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Speaker 1: athletes or bodybuilders to make them feel better, you know,

527
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Speaker 1: while they're training or prepping for some sort of competition

528
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Speaker 1: or an event. So I'm like, you know what, maybe

529
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: I'll start working on a couple of my buddies. And

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Speaker 1: this is where my Instagram start to come into play.

531
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Speaker 1: Because I'm in debt. I have no money at all

532
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Speaker 1: in the bank. How the hell am I going to

533
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 1: get the word out? So, of course, do all the

534
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: referrals from friends. But I decided to start using Instagram

535
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: as the big marketing driver for my business. So I

536
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: would just be like, hey, hey, Mike, can I work

537
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: on you at the gym and record just a couple

538
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: pieces of it? Like of course, yeah, it's you know,

539
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 1: you're giving it for free, and you're also my buddy,

540
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: so yeah, of course, and then I'll post it on

541
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Speaker 1: my Instagram. And that's how it kind of started, and

542
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: I was getting my books slowly started to fill up,

543
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: and it was really cool. I mean, it's unbelievable how

544
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: you can create something from nothing, and yeah, it was amazing.

545
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: It was really cool.

546
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Speaker 2: What do you mean, though, something from nothing in this instance.

547
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, just going from literally no clients to actually having

548
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: you know, a little side business. You know, I wanted

549
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: to be my main business. But you know, I think

550
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people struggle with how do I gain

551
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 1: client tell in this type of business because I have

552
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: zero connections. I just don't know where to start. And

553
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: I was like, I just posted on Instagram and I

554
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: kept doing it in hopes that other people would see

555
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: that I worked on their friends. And that's what happened,

556
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Speaker 1: and it's one of the reasons why I actually got

557
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: one of my top high profile track athletes was kind

558
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: of through social media. It's very cool and I know

559
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: you did a podcast with Hastings.

560
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Natasha, Natasha.

561
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Speaker 1: So I work with a guy named Justin Gatlin and

562
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: I travel with him and one of the reasons why

563
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: was because of social media. I worked out with it's

564
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 1: his wife now, but we worked out at the same

565
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: gym at five am in the morning and she had

566
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Speaker 1: no clue what I did, so we were just past

567
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: each other, not even say hi. But she worked with

568
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Speaker 1: one of my trainer buddies at the gym, and then

569
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: I did a session with someone else from the gym.

570
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Speaker 1: He reposted it on his page saying great things about me.

571
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Speaker 1: She saw that and said, wow, I didn't know you

572
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: do therapy and you work on athletes. You know, do

573
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: you travel? And I was like, I can travel.

574
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 2: I am capable.

575
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Speaker 1: I can do that. He's like, oh, well, you know

576
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: my boyfriend, he's an athlete and you know he's looking

577
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: for someone right now. Maybe I can get you a

578
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: trial run. And that's how it started. Yeah, you never

579
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Speaker 1: know what you're going to get. Even if you have

580
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: ten followers one hundred followers, you never know who's going

581
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: to see that one post, which I think is very valuable.

582
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Speaker 1: Everyone's looking for that. I need to have a million followers.

583
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Speaker 1: I no, you don't just need one.

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Speaker 2: Taking a break from today's episode to give a shout

585
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Speaker 2: out to LinkedIn when you are ready to find that

586
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587
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Speaker 2: with qualified candidates so you can find the right person quickly.

588
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Speaker 2: LinkedIn looks beyond just hard skills at things like collaboration, creativity, adaptability,

589
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Speaker 2: you name it. Find the right person for your business.

590
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Speaker 2: to get fifty dollars off your first job post today,

594
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Speaker 2: let's get back to it. I mean the important message

595
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Speaker 2: there is that for one person, you could be making

596
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 2: the biggest difference. And I think sometimes we can feel

597
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: paranoid or worried about being vulnerable or transparent because we're

598
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: scared of what the bigger audience will think. But when

599
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 2: you dial it back and you realize that you have

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Speaker 2: the opportunity to help other people, to instill change in

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00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: other people, that's when you really home in on your message.

602
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: That's when you kind of grab life by the horns

603
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: and you're like, Okay, like, let's make this difference for

604
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: this one person and then see what happens from there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really cool. And then, you know, working

606
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: with the people in my local community that was huge.

607
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: It's you know, I'm starting to build a business. I'm

608
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: helping these people achieve their goals of competing. And that's

609
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,239
Speaker 1: again now I kind of pivoted it again because I

610
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: wasn't reaching I felt like enough people, or I wasn't

611
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: helping enough people. Because people would ask me, Joe, I

612
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: love what you're doing, but I'm not in Orlando. You know,

613
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: do you recommend anyone I was like, geez, like everyone

614
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: keeps asking me that. That's when I start to shift

615
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: my Instagram to more educational stuff where people could do

616
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: things on their own at home, and that's where this

617
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: kind of tennis ball thing came about. It's how can

618
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: I self massage using a tennis ball? And I started

619
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: putting that out and start helping more people that were

620
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: not local to me, and that's kind of what started

621
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Speaker 1: that big burst of growth.

622
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Speaker 2: So the tennis ball was the first like instruction video you're.

623
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Speaker 1: Saying exactly, So I used this when I started a

624
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: lot of it's stretching. Now that's what people see. But

625
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: when I started my social media, it was just self

626
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: massage techniques because I was like, I'm a massage therapist.

627
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: I'll keep it consistent and I would wave the tennis

628
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: ball saying, hey, you just need a tennis ball for this,

629
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Speaker 1: and you just have to place it on this body

630
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: part and just start moving it. And that started to

631
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: gain a lot of traction on social because I think

632
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Speaker 1: it's something that people didn't see often. It was a

633
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: lot of fitness and then there was like a lot

634
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: of yoga, but there was nothing really in between. So

635
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: I start to get a lot of eyeballs on it,

636
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: and start to get a lot of good feedback from it.

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Speaker 2: I think the thing also that's really special about what

638
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: you're saying that you started with is like you just

639
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: started with a tennis ball. Yeah.

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00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, very simple, I know.

641
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 2: And so often, I mean, whether it's with a social

642
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: media account or whether it's with running or god knows what.

643
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: I mean, we are so good at over complicating things, right,

644
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 2: Like people aren't going out there and again, like with

645
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 2: the running example, they're like, oh, I need these certain

646
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: types and this certain shirt, and if I don't have

647
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 2: these special sneakers, and I can't go for more than

648
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: twenty seconds. And the reality is is like you just

649
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 2: need a will exactly.

650
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Speaker 1: Everyone over complicates everything, and I think that's why I've

651
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Speaker 1: been successful. You know, if someone told me, Joe, you

652
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Speaker 1: make everything so easy, a six year old could understand it,

653
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I never thought of it

654
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Speaker 1: that way, but I guess that makes sense. It's really

655
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: cool because not only do I keep it simple, people

656
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: who are not from the US or don't speak English,

657
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: they can also understand a lot of the videos that

658
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: I do because it's I'm demonstrating it, Yeah, but everyone

659
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: over complicates things. You don't need a It's cool to

660
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: have fancy stuff, don't get me wrong. I have cool

661
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: recovery devices and you know, cool shirts and shoes, but

662
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: also you can just use something that cost a dollar

663
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: or you probably just have one laying around and use

664
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Speaker 1: that to help, you know, make you feel better.

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00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 2: You get hooked up with Justin Gallen and you do

666
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Speaker 2: some trout.

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Speaker 1: Where do you travel, So we've done We're probably gonna

668
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: go to Granada. So we did Grenada last year too,

669
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: which is you know, work is hard, but it's also

670
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: nice to do it in beachy areas.

671
00:34:59,040 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.

672
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: So I've been to kind of Chech Republic with him

673
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Speaker 1: when he won the World Championship in twenty seventeen for

674
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Speaker 1: one hundred meter over in London, which was my first

675
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: time being in London, which was I love that place. Yeah,

676
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: so just a little bit of everywhere and it's very

677
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: cool to see that side of things as well, this

678
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: high level athlete and what they do to prepare and

679
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: their mindset too. I love talking to people who are

680
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,479
Speaker 1: at the top of their game because they're not the same.

681
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: You know, they are amazing people, but their mindset is

682
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: just on a different level, and whenever I can pick

683
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: his brain on things, it's it's pretty crazy.

684
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 2: Can you let us in on any of the hot

685
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 2: tips that you've gotten from a mindset perspective.

686
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Speaker 1: I think just the way high level people they analyze

687
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 1: things and how they can break down they're just obsessed

688
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: with their craft. I mean, if you look at and

689
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: I've worked with like NFL guys too, and some other

690
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: Olympic athletes who are in different sports. You know, one

691
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: of his things is it's a nine second ten second race,

692
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 1: but he tells me how he breaks down each portion

693
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Speaker 1: of the race and what happens if he doesn't do

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Speaker 1: great at the start, or maybe hey he does have

695
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: a great start, or that person has a great start.

696
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, you're thinking of all of this in

697
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: that short of a time, literally split second. I can't

698
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Speaker 1: think of this stuff in the five minutes, and you're

699
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: breaking it down in just a split second. And just

700
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: being around these guys' practices, it's just a different work ethic.

701
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Speaker 1: And I think anyone who's striving to be the greatest,

702
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: if you hang out with people who are at the top,

703
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: you will learn something. The osmosis or just seeing their

704
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: will it's unbelievable and you'll probably be like, Damn, I'm

705
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:44,479
Speaker 1: not doing enough.

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Speaker 2: I can totally relate with that. So are you still

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Speaker 2: to this day working out of the same gym or

708
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 2: have you kind of moved on to bigger and greener pastures.

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Speaker 1: So I was just working out at this gym and

710
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: I've had I think this is my third clinic. And

711
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: when I say clinic, kind of like office space. You know.

712
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: I started just renting a room, which you know, I

713
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: had zero incomes. I just split. I was like, hey,

714
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Speaker 1: here's a portion of my rent or a portion of

715
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: my sessions, and let me use your room, and they

716
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: were cool with that. Then I rented my own room,

717
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: had another room, and now I'm in a little bit

718
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: bigger space, about twelve hundred square feet.

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Speaker 2: We have.

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Speaker 1: Some power racks in their massage table, so it's very

721
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: cool space. So now I'm in Orlando with a nice

722
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Speaker 1: open area to work on people.

723
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Speaker 2: When does the whole book situation come into play.

724
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: For the timeline? I started my Instagram February twenty seventeen

725
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: from just a brand new account, the Joe Therapy account,

726
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: to New Year's Day of twenty nineteen, so it was

727
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 1: just under two years I went from zero to a million.

728
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Speaker 1: You know, I got approached and had the idea of

729
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: a book, but I wasn't really ready. It was about

730
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Speaker 1: the end of twenty seventeen. My business was just growing

731
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: and I was still really just concentrating on my in

732
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Speaker 1: person business and pushing social media content. And then about

733
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Speaker 1: a year later, I decided to you know what, I

734
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: think I'm ready for a book. I want to help

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Speaker 1: more people move better and feel better.

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Speaker 2: How cool is that, though, that you're already reaching so

737
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: many people and in your head you're like, I want

738
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Speaker 2: to help more.

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00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,959
Speaker 1: It's really cool to actually get this these comments that saying,

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00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: hey Joe, I just did this one thing and I

741
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: feel so much better. Or I was in just a

742
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: little bit of pain, but you helped me relieve it

743
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: a little bit just from this one video, so I

744
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: can go work out tomorrow. It gets addicting, and I

745
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: think a lot of people who go into personal training.

746
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: I don't know about now. I think it might be

747
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: a little bit different with social media. But back in

748
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: the day before social it's like we did it just

749
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: because we really love what we're doing. Right, it's not

750
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: about the fame, it's just about to help people. So

751
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: when I started getting these messages, I'm like, wow, maybe

752
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: these simple videos that I'm putting out they're making a

753
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: bigger impact than I actually think they are. And again,

754
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: you know, some people don't know who I am. It's

755
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 1: just on social they do. But I want to reach

756
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: again another demographic that might want to read instead of

757
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Speaker 1: look at videos.

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Speaker 2: Just for some background, for someone who has never looked

759
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: at your Instagram page, what kinds of videos really are

760
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:17,479
Speaker 2: they finding now?

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00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's a lot of self massage techniques and

762
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 1: well that's how it started. But probably you see more

763
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: stretching and mobility videos and I try to blend in

764
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: a little bit of strengtheners as well. And everyone sees

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00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: stretching on my page and almost think that's the only

766
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: thing I preach. But I want to remind them that,

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00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: you know, I started as a trainer, so I know

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Speaker 1: how important strength training is. You know, the self massage

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Speaker 1: technique also diet, which I don't talk in the book,

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Speaker 1: but I bring up it's stretching is just part of

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Speaker 1: the pie, you know, the healthy life pie. It's not

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00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 1: just one thing. It needs everything to make it work.

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Speaker 1: So that's where you see my social media now, a

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00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: lot of stretching, mobility exercise. That's primary solve massage techniques,

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00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: and then a little bit of those active stretches or

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Speaker 1: active mobility exercises.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was funny when you walked in here,

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00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 2: you said, one of the biggest misconceptions about me is

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Speaker 2: that people think that I'm super flexible. Why aren't you

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00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: super flexible, Joe?

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Speaker 1: So for me again, yeah, everyone's like college Joe does

782
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 1: yoga all day every day. He must be just like

783
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: gumbeing Doe the splits. But for me, the most important

784
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: thing is is being able to give into the positions

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00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: that you want to. So being in athletics, especially starting

786
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: in that golf, it's like they only have to be

787
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Speaker 1: as flexible or mobile as they need to be to

788
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: complete their golf swing. If you're a powerlifter, you just

789
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 1: need enough mobility to be able to squat in deadlift properly.

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Speaker 1: If you want to be a yoga instructor or you

791
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Speaker 1: want to take it to the next level, then you

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00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: need a little bit more mobility. For me, it's can

793
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 1: I work out and do my exercises properly without compensating,

794
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: and that's enough mobility for me. I'm probably a little

795
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: bit above average mobility level, but I'm definitely not doing

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Speaker 1: the splits and I'm not doing these crazy movements. But

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00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: that's just not my goal. And I say this in

798
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: the book. Every person's body is different, every person's goals

799
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: are different. So if you see something doesn't mean it's

800
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: right for them. It just depends on what they want

801
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: to do.

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00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: What would you say? Why is flexibility overall important?

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00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 1: Again? One of those big things is being able to

804
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: get into positions. So you know, I've taken a lot

805
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: of group classes, I've trained so many people. And the

806
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: hard thing is we see so much information out on

807
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,240
Speaker 1: social on YouTube, and you see your favorite person squatting,

808
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: You're like, ooh, I got a squad like that, and

809
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: then you squad you look nothing like that. You need

810
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: to know where your limitations are and if you can

811
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: improve them, and then if we can improve them, that's

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00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: going to make that exercise just way way better. And

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00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: same with the athletics. You know, just taking track for example,

814
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 1: if they can't do a certain movement or they're feeling

815
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 1: tight in a certain area, it's going to affect their race,

816
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: and at that level, it's not you know that one

817
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: small thing, one tenth of a second could be the

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00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: difference between gold, silver, or not even being on the podium. Right,

819
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Speaker 1: So it's very important from that, you know perspective.

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Speaker 2: What would you say life looks like for you these days?

821
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: These days, so just trying to figure out how to

822
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: reach more people to help them. You know, I got

823
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: the book coming out. I don't know if I'm going

824
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: to hit the podcast scene yet sneak peek with sneak

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00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: Peek exactly, you know, continue to do this, you know,

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Speaker 1: I have some other things in the works where maybe

827
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: working on educational stuff too, because I do get asked

828
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 1: that a lot. And again I think that's also helping

829
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: the professional side to to kind of sift through all

830
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 1: the bullshit that's out in the fitness market just because

831
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: again the social is very good social media, but there's

832
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: also the downside because if your intentions are not good

833
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: with your marketing, then you're just spitting out really bad

834
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 1: information for the dollars.

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Speaker 2: I think it's also really impressive because if you look

836
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,959
Speaker 2: at your growth over you know, this short amount of time,

837
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: and you look at your product it's like very streamlined content.

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00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: It's very informative, helpful content, and that's why it's so engaging.

839
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 2: That's why people are sharing it because it's stuff that

840
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 2: everybody could use, whether again you are that elite level

841
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 2: athlete or your Emily sitting in her fourth apartment in

842
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 2: New York City, which is great, which is great, it's

843
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 2: a testament to you.

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Speaker 1: I want it to be very accessible to everyone. And

845
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: you know, a stretch for you might be the exact

846
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: same stretch as someone who's not as active as you,

847
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: or then maybe Olympic athlete can use that same stretch.

848
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: So I want to show people that it works for

849
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: everyone and it can help everyone differently.

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00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 2: These days, life is is a little bit different than

851
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 2: it was a few years ago. You feel like you

852
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: have a little bit bigger of a sense of purpose.

853
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 2: Perhaps you want to help more people. Obviously in doing that,

854
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: you probably have people that you look up to. When

855
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 2: you think about some of the best advice that you've

856
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: been offered as an entrepreneur, what do you think.

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00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: Of, as cliche as it sounds, as be yourself. When

858
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 1: I was growing in the industry, I think you try

859
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: to latch onto certain methodologies and you look up to

860
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: certain people, but then the creativity kind of goes away,

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00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people think you have

862
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: to be this person to be successful, me included. I

863
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: remember looking at all these trainers back in the day,

864
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I have to be charismatic like this

865
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: guy to be successful. I got to do my business

866
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: that way to be successful. And when I started to

867
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: emulate this, it felt really uncomfortable. It just did not

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Speaker 1: feel natural, and I didn't feel like I was getting

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Speaker 1: anywhere either. And I spent a lot of years doing

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Speaker 1: that too, until I became an entrepreneur. I finally was like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, let me put up the social media

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Speaker 1: posts and if they don't like it, then they're probably

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Speaker 1: not the right demographic for me. So I started to

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00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: just be myself, talk the way I usually talk. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think I'm I'm a little goofy sometimes on my

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Speaker 1: ig stories whatever. But then people start to like me more,

877
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: I feel like, and then my growth continued to go up.

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00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: So I think that is one of the biggest things is, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can use a little bit of the model that

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00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: you know, the person you looked up to uses, you know,

881
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: take pieces of what they do well, and then that

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00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: you think you can implement in your own business, but

883
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: be your own brand.

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Speaker 2: What would you say has been the hardest part for

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00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 2: you in the last few years, now that you've really

886
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 2: established what it is that you're doing, what you're working

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00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 2: toward in your mission, which is clearly to help more

888
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 2: and more people, it's.

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Speaker 1: The time management. There's a lot to do, and there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of moving parts, and you know, I'm very

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Speaker 1: proudful of being able to do a lot of this

892
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: stuff on my own. But I think there's a time

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Speaker 1: that you start to go little nuts and your brain

894
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: gets a little scattered. So I think right now is

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Speaker 1: trying to find a good team around me to help

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Speaker 1: support the mission and make sure that these people have

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Speaker 1: the same mentality as me to help people and put

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Speaker 1: out good content for people to consume.

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Speaker 2: Have you come up with any good hacks for the

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Speaker 2: time management struggles?

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah. I mean I'm a sucker for buying

902
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: books or listening to books on productivity, which is probably

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00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: not the greatest thing because that just means that I'm

904
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Speaker 1: not being productive.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I think I think buying books on

906
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 2: productivity means that you're hoping to be more productive.

907
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: I think those are the only books I have, so

908
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: I think I just need to find the one that

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00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: really hit. One is doing It's like having a streak.

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00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: It's doing a little bit of something every single day.

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00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: I've been trying to do that more because I have

912
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: a tendency to I'll just leave it off till tomorrow

913
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Speaker 1: and I won't do it at all, and then that

914
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: might turn into I'll do it the next day and

915
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: just concentrate on one thing. So I like to put

916
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: up a list, maybe like four or five things that

917
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: I want to finish or accomplish, and I need to

918
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: at leayst do one thing for it a day. Another

919
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: thing is I think it's called Pomadora's or pomadoros. It's

920
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: you work for twenty five minutes and then you do

921
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: something for five minutes. You do just like something unrelated

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00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: for five minutes. And I think this is actually a

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00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 1: great tool for people who sit a lot, because you know,

924
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: everyone's talking about the desk worker and their posture and

925
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: how they feel so uncomfortable. So I say, put some

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00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: water on your desk, drink your water, sip on that,

927
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: and then work for twenty five minutes straight. But at

928
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 1: that five minutes, you're either going to have to pee

929
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: or I just want you to get up to walk around,

930
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: and that's probably going to make you feel way better

931
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: throughout your day and you probably be more productive. And

932
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Speaker 1: then you continue to do that. You just go back

933
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Speaker 1: and forth, and I've seen a lot of good result

934
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: in people saying, Wow, this is great because usually I

935
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: would just sit at my desk for hours and hours

936
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Speaker 1: and then my back starts to hurt, my low back

937
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: starts to hurt. But breaking it up makes a huge difference.

938
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Speaker 1: And drink enough water because you get hydrated and then

939
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: it makes you stand up and walk around.

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Speaker 2: Important important. Okay, the way that I wind down the

941
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Speaker 2: podcast without fail. Right now, I want to ask you

942
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Speaker 2: you are looking back at this time in your life

943
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 2: when you are a senior in college, you got the

944
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 2: boot from your major, You're not sure what you want

945
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 2: to do with yourself, and you need a little bit

946
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 2: of guidance. See, you have an opportunity right now, looking

947
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 2: back on that hurdle moment, to offer yourself one piece

948
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 2: of advice. What do you tell yourself then.

949
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: Not to be so hard on myself? You know, things

950
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: are difficult, but it could be worse. Right, I still

951
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: had kind of a roof under my head, and I

952
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: think it's just being self aware at the time. Back then,

953
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: I was so narrow minded. It's like I had to

954
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: go to college. If not, I'm a failure and there's

955
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: no other options. Looking back at it now, I realize

956
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: you don't have to go to college. Really analyze, you

957
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: know your life and what you're really passionate about, and

958
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: see if you can make a career out of it,

959
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 1: because in this time of day you could make money

960
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,959
Speaker 1: doing anything. You can have a career doing anything, which

961
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: is blowing my mind because growing up, it's go to college,

962
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: be a doctor, get a good job. Now it could

963
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: be go to high school, go on YouTube or play

964
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Speaker 1: video games on Twitch and make millions of dollars.

965
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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's extreme, but people are doing it, so

967
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: why can't you do it? So I would look at

968
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: myself to say, don't be so hard on yourself. Let's

969
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: just regroup here and we can figure it out. And

970
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 1: we have time to I'm just figuring out my stuff.

971
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Speaker 1: Just turn thirty three and just figuring stuff out now.

972
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Speaker 2: Just figuring it out, figuring it out amazing. Well, thanks

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Speaker 2: so much for sitting down with me.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you for having me. This is awesome.

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Speaker 2: Please take a moment and leave a quick review by

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Speaker 2: clicking the link with the description to this episode. We

977
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Speaker 2: all face multiple hurdles in life. I want to hear

978
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Speaker 2: about yours. Reach out to me at Emily at Hurdle

979
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Speaker 2: dot us. Connect to the podcast on Instagram and Twitter

980
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Speaker 2: at Hurdle Podcast. Joe. Where do they find you? How

981
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Speaker 2: do they keep up with you? Give me the details

982
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Speaker 2: on your book. I want to know everything.

983
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Speaker 1: My first home will always be Instagram, so you can

984
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Speaker 1: find me at Joe Therapy, also Joe Therapy on YouTube.

985
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Speaker 1: I have a website joetherapy dot com and you can

986
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Speaker 1: find the book at Better Stretching dot com. But you

987
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Speaker 1: can also find it out all of the retailers that.

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Speaker 2: Sell books anywhere.

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Speaker 1: Books are sold anywhere, books are sold.

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Speaker 2: Beautiful. I am at Emily a body at Hurdle Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Another hurdle conquered you guys. Next time

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Speaker 1: Sh