Speaker 1: Misspelling with Tory Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast. This is a
Speaker 1: part that me and my bandmates grapple with most of them,
Speaker 1: not even my bandmates, but danity came but the three
Speaker 1: bands from making the band that we're all created. We
Speaker 1: are all in heavy conversation a lot lately. One thing,
Speaker 1: when to the people I bounce things off from before
Speaker 1: I speak on topic that topic in general, they don't.
Speaker 1: They say, what you just said? It was your talent.
Speaker 1: It was you that had that. And for me, I
Speaker 1: would have never done anything that I do now if
Speaker 1: you would have left it up to me and my
Speaker 1: knowledge and understanding of what I'm good at. He showed
Speaker 1: told master manipulator and like I said, that's not always
Speaker 1: a bad thing.
Speaker 2: Good way Okay.
Speaker 1: He taught me I was, and then I knew what
Speaker 1: I was. If you come to me now and say
Speaker 1: are you a star? I would say yes. They would
Speaker 1: say are you amazing on television? I would say yes. Okay.
Speaker 1: If they asked me, do you dance?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Are you a great singer? Yes? And I don't pause,
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't feel any If they want to
Speaker 1: come back at me with any commentary, I will come
Speaker 1: right back at them with commentary, I say it bold,
Speaker 1: with no fucking apologies. Now, with that being said, I
Speaker 1: had somewhere along the line to have learned that. And
Speaker 1: it wasn't my mom and dad, who I don't even
Speaker 1: have in my life, who didn't protect me or keep
Speaker 1: me safe during any of the crazy things I've gone through,
Speaker 1: and we're a part of most of it in my childhood.
Speaker 1: So I know that that if you were to, if
Speaker 1: I would have just been left up to my own
Speaker 1: ideas of what I could be, it wouldn't. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: necessarily be in a place where I could positively, with
Speaker 1: no quiver in my voice, do everything that I just
Speaker 1: did with you right there that came from that man.
Speaker 1: There were some goods that I will not discredit him for.
Speaker 1: And with puff it's so hard because he's so disliked
Speaker 1: now that no one feels comfortable with any positive acknowledgment
Speaker 1: of any part of his existence. And I have a
Speaker 1: very hard time with that, And the editing on me
Speaker 1: isn't allowing for it either. And then I sit at
Speaker 1: home and I watch the scripts that they give me
Speaker 1: to read or the edits that they give me on shows,
Speaker 1: and most of them aren't even out yet. They're still
Speaker 1: going to be coming out all year, And I think
Speaker 1: to myself and everybody champions me, and then you know,
Speaker 1: I'll be getting botox and say to the woman I
Speaker 1: go to, like, hey, it's actually I kind of feel
Speaker 1: this way and that way, and she would be like, well,
Speaker 1: you can't say that, and I'd be like no.
Speaker 2: Regards to what.
Speaker 1: In regards to I think a lot of evil behavior, demons, devils,
Speaker 1: whatever you consider of the bad behaving human to be,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of that is man made. I
Speaker 1: think there are rare circumstances that you have very bad wiring,
Speaker 1: and it's just as a genetic situation. I think, like
Speaker 1: serial killers and things like that. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: mean now we're learning even with bipolar and things like that,
Speaker 1: that's something very traumatic had to happen in your childhood
Speaker 1: to stick your brain into that state. So I tend
Speaker 1: to have a lot of I have a lot of
Speaker 1: care and consideration for even people that the world suggests
Speaker 1: are horrific. I need more information, and I'm a big
Speaker 1: I'm a big advocate and somebody who came forward and
Speaker 1: let the world know this is not a this was
Speaker 1: not a good person. This is not a safe person.
Speaker 1: I wasn't willing to when Trump was like, he's a
Speaker 1: great guy, He's an amazing guy. Right, Aubrey. There's a
Speaker 1: famous like little clip on Celebrity Apprentice that made its
Speaker 1: way around during the election of Trump wanting to force
Speaker 1: me to say he's an amazing guy because it's his
Speaker 1: good friend, and I wouldn't do it. And I noticed
Speaker 1: then there was no reason to not do it. It
Speaker 1: only would have worked out in my favor. I would
Speaker 1: have been pleasing master over here, pleasing the old Master
Speaker 1: and not causing any prompts for myself and not having
Speaker 1: the hidden beard people that run your life pissing off
Speaker 1: and because they are controlled by the money people, So
Speaker 1: it would have been in my best interest to just
Speaker 1: say yes to the man, and I didn't. And when
Speaker 1: I watched the clip. I don't remember that day, but
Speaker 1: when I saw the clip going around, I watched it
Speaker 1: and realized, Wow, my integrity has just always been fucking there.
Speaker 2: Is that when you went home?
Speaker 1: No that at that time, that wasn't a topic that
Speaker 1: would send you home, Okay, And you know on different shows,
Speaker 1: I mean we I won't speak of any show in
Speaker 1: particular because I can't, but I'm sure you've experienced this
Speaker 1: and can co sign it. Some shows that you watch,
Speaker 1: some people potentially could have must make it to three episode,
Speaker 1: six episodes or payment wise, they're paid a certain amount
Speaker 1: that they're not going home first, or they wouldn't be
Speaker 1: paid that amount of money. There's different ways to guys
Speaker 1: it because legally it gets.
Speaker 2: Tricky and shows will say no, but we know.
Speaker 1: That yeah no doesn't mean no usually ever, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Here's the first word towards yes. That's what I always say.
Speaker 1: Yes exactly. So so what the audience never knows is
Speaker 1: like I would be on shows sometimes and look at
Speaker 1: people and be like, this bitch can't even open her laptop,
Speaker 1: how the fuck is she still here? And or at
Speaker 1: this high and then I would know why later on,
Speaker 1: when you know, I would get information from people that
Speaker 1: don't work it as executives anymore, or because I fall
Speaker 1: in love with the president's son and I'm in a
Speaker 1: serious relationship where I hear different things of how things
Speaker 1: really work or don't work, Like you know, I don't.
Speaker 1: I didn't understand anything at the time, but when I
Speaker 1: watched these clips, when I didn't understand anything. The one
Speaker 1: thing that is consistent is my integrity, and so for me,
Speaker 1: I'm really like Now, that's another one of those topics
Speaker 1: where if you ask me if I have it, I
Speaker 1: will say yes, and if you have a response, I
Speaker 1: will have one for you as well. Like I'm not,
Speaker 1: I just don't budge. So I don't know. I guess
Speaker 1: I wear these things that I proved in myself time
Speaker 1: and time again. I wear them as badges of honor.
Speaker 1: And now I said, like I told you earlier and before,
Speaker 1: you'd have to really bend my back hard. Now, if
Speaker 1: you annoy me, I'll make it clear. I don't even
Speaker 1: allow like a slight annoyance. I'll make it very clear quickly.
Speaker 3: But you're so kind, you're so you're so interesting because
Speaker 3: what I admire so much in you is you will
Speaker 3: say it how it is and you don't let anyone
Speaker 3: compromise your beliefs. But it's in such a genuine kind
Speaker 3: way that you're likable.
Speaker 1: That's because you know me in real life. On television,
Speaker 1: they edit me like.
Speaker 2: The problematic Yeah, right right, you're right.
Speaker 1: They can only show the part when you engage with
Speaker 1: someone and let them know about themselves. It's the integrity pece.
Speaker 1: It's just that integrity piece, and I think people that
Speaker 1: get to know me see that quickly and then really
Speaker 1: like me as the person, regardless of what how I'm
Speaker 1: interpreted on these shows that really need to box you
Speaker 1: into a character very quickly in order to be successful.
Speaker 1: Because there's no money. All the money has reduced in
Speaker 1: every way. When that is reduced, the quality of a
Speaker 1: production is reduced when it takes longer for anyone to
Speaker 1: have the nerve to bring something forward. Because with all
Speaker 1: the firings that are going on right now, why would
Speaker 1: you want to be the one at the office to
Speaker 1: have a good idea that might work. Before good ideas
Speaker 1: that might work were like holy shit, let's go. Now,
Speaker 1: you're going to be hard pressed even if somebody is
Speaker 1: in their cubicle with the best ideas, You're going to
Speaker 1: be hard pressed to find somebody who's willing to come
Speaker 1: forward and just put their ass on the line, because
Speaker 1: if they're wrong and something doesn't work, they will be
Speaker 1: the first to go.
Speaker 3: Or they might be, but I would always rather be
Speaker 3: that person than not take the chance.
Speaker 1: We have a little bit of a luxury given that
Speaker 1: we we don't necessarily know what it's like to be
Speaker 1: out there on a nine to five pushing resumes, trying
Speaker 1: to ask somebody to let us get in a cubicle.
Speaker 1: For those people, I feel even more sympathy toward, because
Speaker 1: I just feel like I feel so suppressed right now,
Speaker 1: because we are in a society where a lot of
Speaker 1: things are happening very quickly, with all the changes that
Speaker 1: occurred this year, and whether you're for it or not,
Speaker 1: it's happening at rapid speeds, and there isn't even enough
Speaker 1: time to process it, let alone understand it all, because
Speaker 1: eighteen things will happen in one day, and most people
Speaker 1: are uninformed and they're just going on their feeling of
Speaker 1: whether they like somebody or not. But there is so
Speaker 1: many things that so many systems are transitioning, And if
Speaker 1: you don't think that that system isn't changing our system,
Speaker 1: you are dead wrong. Because everybody I speak to the
Speaker 1: thoughts of what the network wants, or.
Speaker 2: Just about entertainment, you mean in general.
Speaker 1: Overall, the political climate is changing the entertainment climate. When
Speaker 1: you fire all, when you get rid of DEI and
Speaker 1: the political world the entertainment world. Some people do that
Speaker 1: as well, it affects all worlds. It affects what you
Speaker 1: can sell, what you can't sell. And if you happen
Speaker 1: to fall in a DEI category, which me and you
Speaker 1: are both in that category as women, it's problematic. It
Speaker 1: becomes problematic and you have to step very lightly. Just
Speaker 1: the fact that I have to feel that every day
Speaker 1: is like a It's horrible. And then you have to
Speaker 1: think about people that are marginalized their entire life. It's
Speaker 1: likely a lot and people would like probably think I'm
Speaker 1: nuts for saying this, But for my most marginalized friend,
Speaker 1: it's very similar to like a you and don who
Speaker 1: they would be mad if I suggested you are marginalized
Speaker 1: in the same way, but not in the same way,
Speaker 1: but the feeling of being marginalized, that feeling of never
Speaker 1: really even being able to understand your true idea because
Speaker 1: you're suppressed out the gate with a last name or
Speaker 1: a skin color or whatever. That feeling you can share.
Speaker 1: Those two worlds can share that they don't understand that enough,
Speaker 1: which is why I try to tell these people and
Speaker 1: these people all the time, Hey, we could get together
Speaker 1: and really do some phenomenal things if we could just
Speaker 1: understand the piece that the experience isn't the same, but
Speaker 1: the feeling.
Speaker 2: Of the feeling, the feeling of.
Speaker 3: Trapped, it's taking everything and may not to shut you
Speaker 3: down and be like no, no, no, I don't deserve any
Speaker 3: special treatment because of a last name.
Speaker 2: Like no, no, no, no, no no, go through.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but actually to never having been able to create
Speaker 1: your own identity from the second you came out of
Speaker 1: a womb, it's pretty crazy. It's pretty fucking crazy. That's
Speaker 1: why I still can have a heart for Dawn and
Speaker 1: why people look at me in their lives about that.
Speaker 2: Well, I do, and why does But why does it
Speaker 2: happen to.
Speaker 3: Some people and not others? There's last names people have
Speaker 3: gone way further having a big last.
Speaker 1: Name, Well, that integrity factor is pretty big. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: can't see you doing a lot of the things that
Speaker 1: I've seen some of those other last names do to
Speaker 1: move up.
Speaker 3: There has the ability to move up, and I just can't.
Speaker 3: I fight myself inside of ever taking that step.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Like if the assignment was forge your way
Speaker 1: in through a sex tape that's highly produced by you
Speaker 1: and you have control over and you can be a
Speaker 1: huge star and become an icon, would you take it,
Speaker 1: would you personally take it? No?
Speaker 3: Oh, so Dean and I when we were together, and
Speaker 3: this is in the height of Torri and Dean on Oxygen.
Speaker 3: It was Valentine's Ay or something, and I was in
Speaker 3: New York. He was filming a movie. Came to visit
Speaker 3: me and he was like, hey, let's film ourselves having sex.
Speaker 3: We had never done it before, you know, married for
Speaker 3: years and we only had.
Speaker 1: Do you know, have plenty of videos?
Speaker 2: I know, look at me like we had never It's funny.
Speaker 1: You can watch it back and fuck to it. It's
Speaker 1: even I've never even watched it back. If I say
Speaker 1: anything I don't like, I didn't delete it immediately. Never
Speaker 1: never let me see that used to get kissed. You like, no,
Speaker 1: you can use this five seconds to masturbate too. When
Speaker 1: I'm gone, that's it, I'll go.
Speaker 3: Wow, oh yeah, god, I love that. Anyway, we never
Speaker 3: locked our shit up. We trusted everybody. He had an
Speaker 3: hour computer at home, and a friend he thought was
Speaker 3: a friend stayed at our house. Well, we took the
Speaker 3: kids to Hawaii. Anyway, took the computer and tried to
Speaker 3: sell it to Vivid Video, and they actually contacted us
Speaker 3: and said we want to let you know. We didn't
Speaker 3: accept it, and I'm like, why.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not I don't know that, that's not the normal.
Speaker 1: That's I don't know that. I don't know. They have
Speaker 1: to know what year it was and what else.
Speaker 3: They were like with your permitted you know, if you
Speaker 3: guys want to we'll engage. And do you guys want
Speaker 3: to sell it? Yes, but we want to let you know.
Speaker 3: So we had to get a restraining order this guy,
Speaker 3: we got the we got all of it back and everything,
Speaker 3: and yeah, they said, you know.
Speaker 1: Have you ever it's going to be it's going to
Speaker 1: be a dark question. Can I want you to think
Speaker 1: very hard about it and forget that anyone's looking. Have
Speaker 1: you ever had a thought where you wished I could
Speaker 1: have released it? It's not like you went out and
Speaker 1: actively did it and was like as bad as some
Speaker 1: of these other girls are. Of course, do you ever
Speaker 1: have just a tiny little thought of it could have?
Speaker 1: Of course we helped.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't believe in the breads.
Speaker 1: That's the part that is.
Speaker 2: I'm bummed.
Speaker 3: I said no to Playboy, and now at fifty one,
Speaker 3: I wish I'd been on the cover of fucking playboy.
Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, everyone told me no, and I did it,
Speaker 1: and I'm so happy I did because it's such an
Speaker 1: iconic thing. And now it doesn't even exist anymore.
Speaker 3: I know, Yeah, I was doing it with my husband
Speaker 3: and we were together. Yeah, I should have let that
Speaker 3: sex tape go out.
Speaker 1: In all worlds, the women are never really respected and
Speaker 1: and what's crazy is the women. Then it's like female
Speaker 1: on female crime. When I walk into big rooms that
Speaker 1: can offer me opportunities and it's men, I usually am
Speaker 1: much more comfortable than if there's a woman in the room,
Speaker 1: because women will fucking tear apart women way faster than
Speaker 1: a man will. And at least if it's all men, I,
Speaker 1: as a female, conditioned and socialized by this world, I
Speaker 1: know what I need to do if I send certain behaviors,
Speaker 1: if we got a little freakadique in the room, I
Speaker 1: know a little cleavage and whatever is necessary, how I
Speaker 1: can move through it With women, especially women that get
Speaker 1: to levels that high they are. I know a few
Speaker 1: that are incredible, but it's few and far between.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's wide known. I've been fucked
Speaker 3: over by men, obviously, but it's the women in my life.
Speaker 1: The women hurt more than that.
Speaker 3: Fucked me over way more because I don't know. We're
Speaker 3: as conditioned as we are to understand and what we
Speaker 3: need to do or not do when we're dealing with
Speaker 3: men with women. Were conditioned as well to think, you know,
Speaker 3: women are the first support women.
Speaker 1: You know, Oh, I'm not conditioned to think that. I
Speaker 1: think they're all.
Speaker 2: Everything out there, women in power.
Speaker 3: We support each other, the fun that maybe the first
Speaker 3: to take you.
Speaker 1: Down and take such Maybe this is just our entertainment perspective,
Speaker 1: but I honestly think it's across the board. But we
Speaker 1: can speak to just our perspective. It's bad out here
Speaker 1: are the women on women And I've never I always
Speaker 1: bring up the women up until I had a band
Speaker 1: member come out of danity Kane and come with me
Speaker 1: into another band. Mit, like, not even midway a little
Speaker 1: bit into it. She turned to me and she's like, man,
Speaker 1: I had you all wrong in the this year's multi
Speaker 1: year span of this other group. Every time you gave
Speaker 1: us outfits or this or that, I thought you were
Speaker 1: manipulating something in your favor. But really you just want
Speaker 1: everybody that's next to you to look better or as
Speaker 1: good as you. You really have a thing about that.
Speaker 1: When I came in sneakers that weren't a famous brand
Speaker 1: and we were going out to a pictured event, you'd change.
Speaker 1: I would give her my things. And maybe that's an
Speaker 1: only child thing as well well. But I want everybody
Speaker 1: around me to be looking their best and feeling their best.
Speaker 1: I don't want anyone to be in a bad space
Speaker 1: around me. But that is not the common thought amongst women.
Speaker 1: It's so insane the way that we work against each other.
Speaker 1: And this is the craziest statistic that I think proves this.
Speaker 1: We have more women than men in this society and
Speaker 1: we've never seen a female president ever, and there's.
Speaker 2: Been because we keep canceling each other out.
Speaker 1: We're canceling each other out more than even the men
Speaker 1: that don't like us are. It's insane and I don't
Speaker 1: know why or what. I definitely know that there's a
Speaker 1: certain way that they expect you to behave as a woman,
Speaker 1: because I am definitely the antithesis of that. And every
Speaker 1: person that's been offended by the antithesis goes back to
Speaker 1: my manager and lets him know that. And every time
Speaker 1: he comes to me to scold me, I'm like tell
Speaker 1: these people ahead of time that I'm a professional, that
Speaker 1: I expect everyone around me to be a professional, that
Speaker 1: I don't cut corners, and if I'm not cutting corners,
Speaker 1: I don't don't want anyone around me to cut corners.
Speaker 1: And if they're going to cut corners, tell them to
Speaker 1: do it a little less obviously, because obvious is going
Speaker 1: to create reaction. So tell them to go do their
Speaker 1: sloppy producing in a different room that I don't have
Speaker 1: an earshot of, Like, come on, why can't we all
Speaker 1: just enter our jobs and do them. Well, It's just
Speaker 1: that that is not the assignment anymore, which is why
Speaker 1: when we are discussing other people that are very obnoxious
Speaker 1: on sets that I really want to.
Speaker 3: Ask you, why do the mean girl? Why do they
Speaker 3: keep working? And why do they even keep getting ahead?
Speaker 1: They're not even fascinating. I did so many shows last
Speaker 1: year when I tell you, I was so underwhelmed by
Speaker 1: the biggest people that people like. What I see is
Speaker 1: they're very good at creating narratives for TMZ. Every day
Speaker 1: they stay in the news with drama, and so that
Speaker 1: creates your news. It's hard, though, because even TMZ is struggling,
Speaker 1: like news cycles are different. Now nobody goes to that
Speaker 1: one source anymore. There's way too many sources with how
Speaker 1: wide and that technology is becoming.
Speaker 3: So the females that treat people I find self deprecating working.
Speaker 1: Why I think because well, for me, if I see
Speaker 1: something inappropriate going on on a production that I'm on,
Speaker 1: I'm going to notify someone. Because when there were a
Speaker 1: lot of inappropriate things that occurred on sets that I
Speaker 1: was on when I was younger, and I didn't know
Speaker 1: that they were inappropriate, I normalized them and it was
Speaker 1: to a lot of people's detriment. So now that I
Speaker 1: know better, since I knew better, I report I will
Speaker 1: report it. They don't like you when you do that.
Speaker 1: I think those people are so busy bossing people around
Speaker 1: and telling them to get their specific water or their
Speaker 1: specific coffee, or talking so fucking much about themselves that
Speaker 1: they don't notice everyone in the room is like exhausted
Speaker 1: or bossing people around and not even noticing that, like
Speaker 1: they didn't seem to be having a good day already,
Speaker 1: and you kind of probably made it worse. Not even
Speaker 1: you don't even know their name. Probably I know the
Speaker 1: names of everybody that I'm on set with and normally
Speaker 1: years later, I'm still friends with pas, with people that
Speaker 1: are just running runners or any like. I make friends
Speaker 1: with everybody, and not because I need to for some benefit,
Speaker 1: because I'm going to be with them for over a
Speaker 1: month or a month at least, and I want to
Speaker 1: get to know everybody because we're all going to be
Speaker 1: living this life together. That is not the mentality of
Speaker 1: most reality stars nowadays. And the ones that I find
Speaker 1: do really well are the most nasty on these sets.
Speaker 1: Like I think about it, in my world, I never
Speaker 1: get to walk away from abrio day because that's why
Speaker 1: I play on TV too. You play a character, so
Speaker 1: maybe you can walk away from it, but I don't
Speaker 1: think you can if you're a great actor, because actors
Speaker 1: throw themselves into their characters.
Speaker 3: Started Donna at sixteen, it was probably a lot of
Speaker 3: you was more me than Donna. So because so when
Speaker 3: you talk about David and Donna being cheated on, like
Speaker 3: my whole life, I thought, that's just what happens, Like
Speaker 3: women get cheated on, you just go on.
Speaker 1: I mean, that is what happens, bitch. It is. But
Speaker 1: did your husband chief did you ever go through that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Was it public?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I was talking to like you were saying, what is
Speaker 1: a regular job? A regular job human? The other day
Speaker 1: that's also my good friend, and we were talking about
Speaker 1: elements of the Diddy stuff, and I was talking about
Speaker 1: elements of like people that like I had a band member,
Speaker 1: not one of my members, like a band, actual player,
Speaker 1: a player of our band who's like beloved and very
Speaker 1: talented and also was into scat play. And every area
Speaker 1: we would.
Speaker 2: Go on tour.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so every area we would go on tour, and
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, like the hottest guy would have dated
Speaker 1: him in a second. So so fine as hell, talented
Speaker 1: as shit. But he would tell me his little kink
Speaker 1: was every time we'd get to a new city, you
Speaker 1: can go on these sites that are very available, and
Speaker 1: you find people in that city. They create like a
Speaker 1: little party. They put a tarp down in a hotel room,
Speaker 1: everybody shits and fucks in it. And there's nothing about
Speaker 1: this person that's I would suggest, is unsafe. I would
Speaker 1: let him. I would keep my moment and have my dogs,
Speaker 1: but he could watch my dogs. He could be in
Speaker 1: my home and watch my home like them. I love
Speaker 1: the guy, but he also was into some very different
Speaker 1: things sexually than I am. So I learned then, wow,
Speaker 1: this isn't a bad person. So then I just kind
Speaker 1: of learned, like I might meet people that are into
Speaker 1: a lot of different sexual things that I'm not into,
Speaker 1: and there still could be great people.
Speaker 3: Just see you know, obrio da. I'm not into gangbang,
Speaker 3: I'm not a swinger, and I don't like scatplay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean neither. But like I kissed the girl
Speaker 1: and I liked it.
Speaker 2: I would kiss you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd kiss you too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're fine.
Speaker 1: Listen, bitch. Okay, you're Donna Martin and my soul for
Speaker 1: the rest of life. Now, one person can go off
Speaker 1: on you. I will have them at their throw in
Speaker 1: a second.
Speaker 2: Do you still think I should join only fans?
Speaker 1: Yes, I've been telling you for a long time. So
Speaker 1: you know, Denise's with my company too. I know I
Speaker 1: have the best company number one, and they'll help you,
Speaker 1: like get up and facilitate it and you can decide.
Speaker 2: They did.
Speaker 1: Yes, you can create your career. Give me a number
Speaker 1: of time.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't the number.
Speaker 1: That I There is no numbers, you know they Oh, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know about that. I've never
Speaker 1: been offered a number. There there's no numbers. They maybe
Speaker 1: you're maybe I don't know what that was that, maybe
Speaker 1: it was something different. I don't know.
Speaker 3: For me, it wasn't from this company. It was like
Speaker 3: literally only fans. Oh, I don't know what they get.
Speaker 3: You honestly don't know any I don't know anyone out
Speaker 3: that runs.
Speaker 1: Only fans. And it's like some people in Europe that
Speaker 1: own it. There's like seven people in the office. It's
Speaker 1: it's for you. You go on there, you talk to people,
Speaker 1: you decide your content, you decide what you do. I've
Speaker 1: never been asked to do anything. I do everything the
Speaker 1: way I want to do it. I'm sure mine is,
Speaker 1: like I say, highly artistic. My ideas are creative. I
Speaker 1: do things probably much different than maybe other girls do.
Speaker 1: But I'm comfortable with everything that I do, and to me,
Speaker 1: it's become something that has just given me complete autonomy
Speaker 1: in life. I don't let people talk to me even
Speaker 1: a little bit sideways anymore. If I'm on a show
Speaker 1: where I'm expressing my talent and I'm being taken off
Speaker 1: for unfair reasons and it's been vocally expressed to me,
Speaker 1: and I could start a shit storm up if I
Speaker 1: wanted to, or I could follow the commands that were
Speaker 1: being given to me and get further. I immediately knew
Speaker 1: the answer. Bye, I have this much money waiting at
Speaker 1: home to do a video. I don't need to please
Speaker 1: any of you.
Speaker 2: Bye.
Speaker 1: Let me get this off and let me say what
Speaker 1: up to everybody, and let me give them a little
Speaker 1: world twirl, And then I'm getting the fuck out this room,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go be around people that aren't fake
Speaker 1: as fuck and garbage. When I see somebody that doesn't
Speaker 1: want to have to be dealing with the way that
Speaker 1: this system is anymore, and I know the type of
Speaker 1: freedoms that can exist in other places. And not only that,
Speaker 1: but like you control your the timing of your creation.
Speaker 1: You don't have to ever be on someone else's schedule.
Speaker 1: That's a big thing as we get older, you're a mother,
Speaker 1: even so your schedule is way crazier for me, Like,
Speaker 1: my time is the most valuable thing I have. And
Speaker 1: when I don't want to be doing something, especially a
Speaker 1: lot of times in this industry, it's some fake bullshit.
Speaker 1: Me and you both pieced out on some shit yesterday
Speaker 1: because we just didn't want to do it, yeah, and
Speaker 1: it would have been better for our careers had we
Speaker 1: done it process, but we just didn't want to do it.
Speaker 1: But I don't worry about any situation anymore just because
Speaker 1: of that one factor.
Speaker 2: That I have and that financial thing, and lit it's.
Speaker 1: A financial thing, it just is.
Speaker 3: I want to have that freedom because I'm not enjoying
Speaker 3: my life, like I have five beautiful, amazing children.
Speaker 1: Well that's why I'm successed to you. And when I
Speaker 1: heard you in the room like strange, trust yeah, because
Speaker 1: I'm like, if you if you really get to a
Speaker 1: point where you're that stress because you're in such a
Speaker 1: market where I believe you do so well, like Denist
Speaker 1: does so well, and she does very little. And I
Speaker 1: think we even talked about it. I don't even think
Speaker 1: she does much. I don't know what you saw or
Speaker 1: didn't see, but I don't think she.
Speaker 2: Does more than probably what I'd be willing to do.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm just so judged, bitch, Everyone is so judged.
Speaker 1: You want to know who also feels judged? Someone we
Speaker 1: don't even know their name that's watching this right now,
Speaker 1: that as a nine to five, and that bitch that
Speaker 1: sits across from her at work every day has been
Speaker 1: judging her ever since she got there. Everybody in life
Speaker 1: feels judged. We have to move past that place. The
Speaker 1: people that move past it the quickest make the most
Speaker 1: money and have the highest rises. It's crazy, like when
Speaker 1: you start giving zero fucks is when how many fucks
Speaker 1: do you think? The two people running our country right
Speaker 1: now give zero? They don't give a fuck and they
Speaker 1: run everything. The not giving a fucks part of me
Speaker 1: was so hard. Sometimes I would do a video and
Speaker 1: I'd be like, Damn, that was hot. I don't want
Speaker 1: to do this and that, but god, I don't know. Judge, judge, judge, judge, judge,
Speaker 1: and then I would stop and be like I even
Speaker 1: had a moment when I was doing Bunny Jelly Roll's
Speaker 1: wife's podcast, Bunny's Podcast. I said she was saying because
Speaker 1: she was she worked in the sex industry for a
Speaker 1: long time, and she was saying like, I think the
Speaker 1: majority of not all people in that that area have
Speaker 1: had trauma in their childhoods. And I was like, shit.
Speaker 1: I had a moment where one time, the next time
Speaker 1: I made a video, I was like, am I making
Speaker 1: this video because I was traumatized? Under a person that
Speaker 1: I worked for that were now learning did things that
Speaker 1: were very potentially, very dangerous and could cause a lot
Speaker 1: of trauma, Like am I only doing this because of
Speaker 1: a trauma that I experienced at a young age and
Speaker 1: I haven't moved past it to the point where I'm
Speaker 1: still sexualizing myself, Like I had to have moments of
Speaker 1: those types of conversations. It was very hard for me
Speaker 1: to shoot any content for a period of time. The
Speaker 1: great thing about that platform is when new people come,
Speaker 1: there's a million videos that you've already done. If you're
Speaker 1: in a month where you're not feeling so sexually great
Speaker 1: about yourself, then you can express yourself in other areas. Shit,
Speaker 1: what's her name, Iggy Azalea? I think is her name?
Speaker 1: A rapper girl, White rapper girl is on there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she had a section of poetry. I don't know how
Speaker 1: well it did. Now that's the thing. You can go
Speaker 1: on and just do poetry. Is everybody gonna watch? I
Speaker 1: don't know, but it just maybe, but it's not it
Speaker 1: it's if you're more compelling than your sexuality, you might
Speaker 1: be able to do it without that factor, however, but
Speaker 1: it's also about who watched past. Yeah, your sexuality is
Speaker 1: hard for you. I don't know why. Why because people
Speaker 1: have attacked your looks because you were famous so young
Speaker 1: your whole life. You were attacked a lot during the
Speaker 1: nine o two one Ozero days for beauty standards. I remember, Oh,
Speaker 1: why do I just tear up? But you think I
Speaker 1: had any feelings left me?
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I look back then about how
Speaker 3: like I was always the one wearing like the crop
Speaker 3: tops and showing my body off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you looked so good and you were so attacked.
Speaker 3: I was so attacked, never like was told since I
Speaker 3: was young, like how ugly I was, horse face, ugly, nose,
Speaker 3: like big eyes. So was there something I felt good
Speaker 3: about myself that I still pressed on and wore cute outfits?
Speaker 3: Or was I trying to overcome and say for what
Speaker 3: I thought they perceived as my face by showing off
Speaker 3: a good body.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I'm still traumatized by it.
Speaker 3: But yet I still there's a part of me that
Speaker 3: feels like sexuality is such a huge part of making it.
Speaker 1: I have a question, do you have sex sober or
Speaker 1: do you need a drink or something to get through?
Speaker 2: Oh? Interesting, God, I haven't in sex in a while.
Speaker 1: How is it as long as me?
Speaker 2: You said two years?
Speaker 1: While we're pressing on more. No, I've had some of
Speaker 1: my friends so easily, but I don't. I don't want
Speaker 1: any man inside me if they don't love me, if
Speaker 1: they don't respect me, care about me, and if they
Speaker 1: don't plan on being right or die with me, Like.
Speaker 2: I see, I don't know what I as anymore. I've lost.
Speaker 3: I had the fairy tale of my whole life in
Speaker 3: my head with Dean. No was in my head like
Speaker 3: it's from a very young age. I don't know if
Speaker 3: it was. My dad was a producer.
Speaker 1: Are you cheating on your mom? Your dad?
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I really don't love her, yes,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Where did you learn this from?
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I don't know. And that's what's weird
Speaker 2: for me. And I just started.
Speaker 3: I having in therapy in a really long time, and
Speaker 3: I just started with a new therapist.
Speaker 1: You got to give me some names, and I really.
Speaker 3: And we're going all back way back to childhood because
Speaker 3: it's just like I don't know where this comes from.
Speaker 2: But like I have a very odd relationship with men,
Speaker 2: Like it's the need to be.
Speaker 3: I don't and I don't know, and I think I'm
Speaker 3: now fifty one and single again with five kids, so
Speaker 3: I don't even know where I stand in the future.
Speaker 1: Like are you on a dating side girl at all? No? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't get involved in it. They're all trash on
Speaker 1: there anyway. Right now, I would say, I don't there
Speaker 1: for what I do want to be like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to have a stroke in the midll that I
Speaker 1: say this.
Speaker 2: I want to be alone.
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to be alone either.
Speaker 1: I feel you on that. I'm about to leave for
Speaker 1: Japan and I wasn't even going to go and on
Speaker 1: this adventure. I wanted to do cherry blossom season because
Speaker 1: there's like only a few Sorry, I'm about to cry.
Speaker 2: No, don't cry.
Speaker 1: If you want to cry, by the way, good, it's fine.
Speaker 1: Let it out. That's part of getting better.
Speaker 2: Listen, I'm such a you know me, I'm Pausitive've.
Speaker 1: Just know you. This is we are, we live there
Speaker 1: that you're not going to die alone. I'm here first
Speaker 1: of all. Listen to me.
Speaker 2: I'm no hold on, I put my other man.
Speaker 1: I don't care're not alone. Have each other. There are
Speaker 1: other people that have our bucks. We're not alone. I
Speaker 1: just have to believe that first. Such a fucked up life,
Speaker 1: all of this, I know, babes, my fucking life. I'm
Speaker 1: forty one without kids. At least you got some. I'm
Speaker 1: not even going to be able to have them in
Speaker 1: life because of all the bullshit I thought to be
Speaker 1: and I really wanted to correct my generational trauma. I'm
Speaker 1: not even going to get a chance to do it.
Speaker 1: This industry is not for the fucking week.
Speaker 2: What is strong when I am strong?
Speaker 1: So what it needs to correct? But get everything together
Speaker 1: real quick.
Speaker 2: This top, sorry, Bob, this top was.
Speaker 1: Just a goddamn I shouldn't have ever purchased it. I
Speaker 1: thought I could pull off a back list top.
Speaker 2: It looks great.
Speaker 1: Listen, let me take the podcast bucket. Yeah, let me
Speaker 1: tell you something strong.
Speaker 3: I'm fucking Let me tell you they should sample my
Speaker 3: DNA when.
Speaker 2: They go to bitch.
Speaker 1: I feel this. I feel the same other.
Speaker 2: Fuck I am. I'm resilient, but what is it? I
Speaker 2: need a good of the.
Speaker 1: Day, So fuck everything you're saying. I feel that too.
Speaker 1: You have to me. I think for you, I'd start
Speaker 1: with you get to teach young you have kids that
Speaker 1: you get to But here's the one thing that my
Speaker 1: friends told me at one point when I was doing
Speaker 1: the same sob over and not over the loss of
Speaker 1: not being None of the girls in my group ever
Speaker 1: had a child. A lot of girl group girls don't
Speaker 1: because of the amount of trauma that we face in
Speaker 1: those situations and what it does to us. I think,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I wanted to do a documentary on it.
Speaker 1: I started doing research. There wasn't a girl group in
Speaker 1: my lifetime where I didn't find one member that hadn't
Speaker 1: been sexually harassed, and everyone had been underpaid and undervalued
Speaker 1: and disrespected, et cetera. I said the same thing and
Speaker 1: my friend was like yeah, and she was like, well,
Speaker 1: being a mom doesn't bring the what is it all for?
Speaker 1: A card to you. And that was the first time
Speaker 1: a mom said that to me, and it made me realize, Okay,
Speaker 1: so maybe I wouldn't have found the answers in being
Speaker 1: a mom. You're a mom and you're still saying the
Speaker 1: same thing. I cry that that out loud all the time.
Speaker 1: It's hard when so many people live and breathe by
Speaker 1: the system that we were a part of teaching people
Speaker 1: and creating. It's not in our hands, and it's not
Speaker 1: in good hands anymore at all. It has been taken
Speaker 1: over and there has been dark shit going on, probably
Speaker 1: even during our time. But things were a lot different
Speaker 1: back then, and you actually had to have a lot
Speaker 1: and bring a lot to the table to get the
Speaker 1: type of work that we did. It's not the same anymore,
Speaker 1: which makes it even more disrespectful because you have people
Speaker 1: who don't even have talent being like, who the fuck
Speaker 1: are you? And they look at us like old bitches,
Speaker 1: when really we're the reason they have the ability to
Speaker 1: have a job. Right now, We're still relevant, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean we are, but we're not. There's a whole Let
Speaker 1: me tell you. I get told how irrelevant I am daily.
Speaker 1: The most relevant I've been is as one of Diddy's victims.
Speaker 1: Imagine how fucking traumatic that is. I don't know what
Speaker 1: it all is for yet, but I know that if
Speaker 1: I don't keep speaking up and saying things and making
Speaker 1: things known, and and if I'm in contracts, I don't,
Speaker 1: I can't telp the world it. But if you get
Speaker 1: in any immediate circle, I will run my motherfucking mouth
Speaker 1: and tell you what the truth is about people. But
Speaker 1: I watch learn and I pay attention to every little thing.
Speaker 1: Every time I'm on a network that I don't trust
Speaker 1: and a white man comes in and tells me, hey,
Speaker 1: you can trust this network. We're not like this. Look
Speaker 1: behind me and there's a Asian girl, a Mexican guy
Speaker 1: that lets me know he's gay, and a black woman,
Speaker 1: and it's like the fucking United Nations and I and
Speaker 1: they do their whole the whole spill and they walk out,
Speaker 1: and I think to myself, and they're standing five steps
Speaker 1: behind him in an appropriate lineup, and they announce themselves
Speaker 1: specifically with their sexuality and their races. I just they
Speaker 1: walk out of the room, and while everybody waits to
Speaker 1: see if I bought it, I just roll my eyes
Speaker 1: and go, oh god, So now I understand what this
Speaker 1: job is. I'm going to get tired any day now,
Speaker 1: Like I see through all of the bullshit at this point,
Speaker 1: and I have to be a part of the bullshit
Speaker 1: in order to stay relevant. And it is so fucking painful.
Speaker 1: I hate that. And even the complexities of what's happening
Speaker 1: right now with puff are so deep they are not
Speaker 1: even being anywhere near close to being discussed, and I
Speaker 1: fear that we never will truly discuss what how many
Speaker 1: ways that this needs to be processed in order for
Speaker 1: the system to change, so that nobody that is me
Speaker 1: at the age I was that wanted what I wanted
Speaker 1: at that time would ever have to go through what
Speaker 1: I went through again, or anyone that was around me
Speaker 1: with any other type of intentions worse or better, no judgment,
Speaker 1: I don't think we are anywhere close to changing this system.
Speaker 1: And when did he first? When the indictment occurred? Of course,
Speaker 1: I was filming a TV show and we had wrapped
Speaker 1: and they pulled me back in to do b roll
Speaker 1: through a microphone on me and caught it all. Now,
Speaker 1: if all the times I've been minipulated for television's sake,
Speaker 1: that was one of the most thankful moments that I've
Speaker 1: had in regards to being manipulated, because being in the
Speaker 1: environment I was was very safe, and I was around
Speaker 1: a lot of caring women and they all held me
Speaker 1: and I would have been at home alone and scared.
Speaker 1: And also people need to see what something like that
Speaker 1: looks like. And I don't know that any of things
Speaker 1: like that are documented on the victim side necessarily and
Speaker 1: put in front of the world. And if there's anyone
Speaker 1: fearless enough to do it, like you said, we are strong,
Speaker 1: I'm the one to do it too. However, with that
Speaker 1: being said, there is so much more that is so
Speaker 1: compelling that no one is even talking about. And my
Speaker 1: fears that we never do and I know that without
Speaker 1: the conversation as a society, that the system won't change.
Speaker 1: And when it all gets piled up on one person
Speaker 1: and you don't address the systematic issues, the thing changes.
Speaker 1: And for us to go with nothing having changed, I
Speaker 1: think that's when we'll really cry. And you have the
Speaker 1: ability to at least put change and growth in a
Speaker 1: new wave of thinking within your children, which I think
Speaker 1: is very special, which is what I was thinking motherhood
Speaker 1: would at least bring me in my life, because I
Speaker 1: think I'd be a kick ass mom because my mom
Speaker 1: was garbage and I would definitely want to recorrect that
Speaker 1: generationally and send someone on their way. Yes, good history,
Speaker 1: good that right there.
Speaker 2: That's one I see.
Speaker 3: I see my daughter for no reason, and I've always
Speaker 3: done nothing but tell her how beautiful and amazing she is.
Speaker 3: You know, she looked on social media one time and
Speaker 3: they said something about in regards to her looks and
Speaker 3: she couldn't see it. Yeah, And I was just took
Speaker 3: me right back to sixteen and knowing that that had
Speaker 3: and I was like, yeah, just doesn't change. No, Can
Speaker 3: I tell you she's trying to like the same types
Speaker 3: of bad boys I liked.
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, God, can I tell you something.
Speaker 1: When we were talking, we've jumped around a lot. But
Speaker 1: when I was talking about when I addressed my girlfriends
Speaker 1: about humiliation, and one I told you one at the
Speaker 1: workplace had a little thing. But I was like, the
Speaker 1: type of humiliation that we endure in this industry is
Speaker 1: certain now the new age kids, there isn't even paparazzi
Speaker 1: that catches you outside anymore. That shit's all set up
Speaker 1: at this point, back when they were all standing outside
Speaker 1: and catching it, back when they were going like this
Speaker 1: as you stepped into your car, Remember when they used
Speaker 1: to put the cameras under your dress and they got
Speaker 1: Britney spears, pussy and a bunch of other things. We
Speaker 1: all had that happened. We all knew when they would
Speaker 1: do it. When we got in cars. We all had
Speaker 1: protections put in place we started to catch on. But
Speaker 1: like we were around in that era of fame, the
Speaker 1: eras are changing. The younger kids don't understand what this is.
Speaker 1: There aren't celebrities anymore. There's too many TikTokers and YouTubers
Speaker 1: and whatever to even have any epic ones like that.
Speaker 1: The age of all of that is like, there's a
Speaker 1: few that started out so you could take it. But
Speaker 1: in our era, the type of humiliation, because of the
Speaker 1: way that it moved and grew, was so intense that
Speaker 1: like you could spend a lifetime and never even recover
Speaker 1: from it. I said to my friends, imagine people taking
Speaker 1: photos of you at an off time in your life,
Speaker 1: exaggerating them and then putting them on the cover of
Speaker 1: every magazine saying, look at this obese pig cow fucker
Speaker 1: that's outside of the dollar tree that's obviously broke and
Speaker 1: a joke, and then ex boyfriends going on Twitter and writing,
Speaker 1: I dodged an obese bullet. Knowing my exes when I
Speaker 1: was in my prime, in conversations with them, very big
Speaker 1: ones that could potentially be running this country right now,
Speaker 1: would say things to me like, oh yeah, like guys
Speaker 1: always get together and talk about like the women that
Speaker 1: got away, But they always end up like fat and ugly,
Speaker 1: and we always are like you know, we were, we
Speaker 1: were better off, we dodged Like I know how men
Speaker 1: in all these circles talk. Some of my exes are
Speaker 1: petty and went and did it in front of the world.
Speaker 1: Some did it outside of it. I don't know how
Speaker 1: many bottles of pills could have made me feel better
Speaker 1: for a very long period of time after that much
Speaker 1: humiliation and no ability to tell anyone, Hey, I don't
Speaker 1: that's I don't look like that. I don't look great
Speaker 1: right now, but I definitely don't look like that. But
Speaker 1: like the type of humiliation, and every in every department
Speaker 1: is so therapy. How can a therapist they get.
Speaker 2: They're famous, They can't com.
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't work like that. And I don't think
Speaker 1: anyone there are difference between people that became famous for
Speaker 1: famesake and people that want to share their art with
Speaker 1: the world. There's just differences. And I don't know where
Speaker 1: fame is at right now. I'm sure fame has always
Speaker 1: across the board been a cyclical moment of the fame
Speaker 1: famers are big now the real talent people are famous.
Speaker 1: I think it goes round and round. Like I said,
Speaker 1: what the Grammys were when I watched versus when I
Speaker 1: got in completely different. But like everything's cyclical, it'll continue
Speaker 1: to move. But I think that, I think that the
Speaker 1: amount of trauma that you endure is just too great
Speaker 1: for anyone to truly ever be able to understand, except
Speaker 1: your famous friends. And for me, my famous friends that
Speaker 1: are got ten years on me, that are single like me,
Speaker 1: that can move like me. They take their pills and
Speaker 1: they knock out. And I was doing that and until
Speaker 1: I saw everybody ten years above me doing that. To
Speaker 1: escape it all, did I like, move to Balie and
Speaker 1: move to a place where you can't get home? What
Speaker 1: were you there for long enough to get off pills?
Speaker 1: A year and some change? Yeah, and I got the
Speaker 1: pills from a famous person that suggested that they could
Speaker 1: help me with my problem, my fear of flying. I'm
Speaker 1: not a good flyer. I'm one of those pitches that
Speaker 1: stand up during turbulence and tell everyone we're gonna die
Speaker 1: on the plane. Name okay, everybody that sits next to me.
Speaker 1: We end up being best friends because I grab them.
Speaker 1: Is that why you were all paranoid to go that day,
Speaker 1: it's to work for QVC because you had to get
Speaker 1: on a plane. Ye I thought you were being a
Speaker 1: drama queen about working at QVC. It was about getting
Speaker 1: on a plane because I've never panicked like that unless
Speaker 1: I have to get on a plane. I only me too. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't do well on planes. So for me, like
Speaker 1: the way that I behave, like I'm in There are
Speaker 1: multiple planes that I've stood up and said we're all
Speaker 1: going to die on I'm an embarrassment on a plane.
Speaker 1: And see the person that I worked for said, oh,
Speaker 1: we'll send a doctor your hotel room and fix this.
Speaker 1: Because it was becoming a problem in my work when
Speaker 1: I couldn't sleep and then I had I was expected
Speaker 1: to perform a lot and I wasn't sleep because I
Speaker 1: can't knock out on the plane ride and that's the
Speaker 1: only time we had to sleep. And when that happened
Speaker 1: is the first time I was put on the cocktail
Speaker 1: of celebrities. From what I've seen, it ever be ambient,
Speaker 1: an adderall.
Speaker 2: Adderall I've never seen an.
Speaker 1: Oh god, girl, you're missing out. But also it's not
Speaker 1: you're missing out, but also it's no way to live.
Speaker 1: So don't go there. But that is the cocktail that
Speaker 1: most doctors had ten years older than me, I saw it,
Speaker 1: and then my age it was still there. I think
Speaker 1: younger now people are treating mental health and things a
Speaker 1: bit differently. Thank God, there's this like whole world of
Speaker 1: alternative healing opening up. It needs to open up. When
Speaker 1: we were younger, we didn't even we were in home Mech.
Speaker 1: They were teaching us how to iron and do the laundry.
Speaker 2: Bitch.
Speaker 1: I took home Mech when I was.
Speaker 2: To do the launch.
Speaker 1: I know that class. Yeah, yeah, I think at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, like people have leaving more space.
Speaker 1: And by the way, even the people that we see
Speaker 1: that the world perceives as evil, they are also very
Speaker 1: traumatized in the same ways that you and I have
Speaker 1: expressed today. And that's why I leave space for every
Speaker 1: person until I understand and trust otherwise, because you never
Speaker 1: know what somebody else is battling you.
Speaker 2: Just don't.
Speaker 3: I agree with you, and I think that every day,
Speaker 3: especially when you see someone horrible and too him like,
Speaker 3: I don't know the other side of it.
Speaker 2: I don't know what they're going to do good for you.
Speaker 1: I need to start doing that more. I'm more judging Mcjudgerson.
Speaker 1: I need to calm it down a little bit. There's
Speaker 1: certain people a little bit, just the exhausting people I
Speaker 1: think that about, but like the compel, the talented ones
Speaker 1: I wonder.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I love you so much. I love you
Speaker 2: so much. Things cry on you.