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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. On early Sunday mornings across

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Speaker 1: I don't when I wake up on a Sunday morning.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Take a listen to our

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Speaker 1: France a kak etv nes Wichita, who this morning a

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Speaker 1: five year old girl was dead following an overnight car

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Speaker 1: crash southeast of which saw. That crash happened just after

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Speaker 1: three this morning. Their forty seventh and one hundred and

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Speaker 1: Investigators do say that alcohol might be involved and that

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Speaker 1: unknown charges. Unknown charges. Really, I got a pretty good

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Speaker 1: before I can even introduce everybody, let me go to

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Speaker 1: Alex Atti, Mother's Against Drunk Driving National President. You can

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Speaker 1: find Alex at mad President m add Alex. Why do

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Speaker 1: And no offense to our friends KAKA ETV News Wichita,

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Speaker 1: they said somehow she had a crash. Well, I can

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Speaker 1: tell you how she was drunk as a skunk. That's

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Speaker 1: much for saying that you're absolutely right and that it's

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Speaker 1: But we see an alarming number of adults getting behind

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Speaker 1: all start panel joining us. Christy Missouri, you know her name,

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Speaker 1: Well Emmy Award winning investigative reporter and president of Successful

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Speaker 1: Strategies PR and Crisis Communications Firm. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,

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Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, Starred our

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Speaker 1: brand new hit series on the True Crime Network, Poisonous

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Speaker 1: Liaison's Death Investigator Joseph Scott Morgan, clinical psychologist, joining us.

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Speaker 1: This guy has been around the blot knows what he's

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Speaker 1: talking about. It's doctor Alan Blotkey. James shell Nutt twenty

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Speaker 1: shell Nutt Lawfirm dot Com. Special guests joining us Alex Atti,

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Speaker 1: present of Mad Mothers Against Drunk Driving National and two

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Speaker 1: very special guests. I'm really looking forward to hearing from

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Speaker 1: who is stand by, sitting by with them now in

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Speaker 1: layah Byas can't do that. She's dead. Thanks Mommy to

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Speaker 1: you Christie Missourich, what happened, Well, you pointed to the

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Speaker 1: referring to it as an accident. It's no accident when

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Speaker 1: Psychologists joining us out of the Birmingham jurisdiction, Doctor Blockkey,

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Speaker 1: And that is exactly what this woman has done. Good intentions.

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Speaker 1: revealed an answer. Dianne Shuler had a blood alcohol content

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Speaker 1: of point one nine percent. She'd had the equivalent of

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Speaker 1: ten drinks, elevating her blood alcohol level to almost two

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Speaker 1: and a half times the legal limit. Investigators recovered a

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Speaker 1: broken one point seven five leader bottle of vodka. Toxicology

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Speaker 1: also reveals that Dianne Shuler had a high level of

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Speaker 1: THHC in her blood. THHC is the active ingredient contained

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Speaker 1: a marijuana. Let me circle back to Alex at Mother's

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Speaker 1: Against Drunk Driving National President Alex we earlier heard James

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00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: shell Nutt, former cop now defense attorney, arguing maybe the

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Speaker 1: open container of alcohol and Nori Lamb's car was from

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Speaker 1: a previous day. Well, here we see the same thing

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Speaker 1: in the earlier case where there was a broken bottle

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Speaker 1: of vodka. I mean, I don't need anybody to add

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Speaker 1: two plus two for me to get four. You have

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Speaker 1: a crash. Your point, oh at least blood alcohol. You

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Speaker 1: got an open container, a booze in your car. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's so obvious. It was a to go cup. She

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00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: hadn't had enough, she wanted more with her daughter right there,

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00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: and regardless, no matter when, no matter where, no matter why,

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Speaker 1: she should not have had an open container in the car.

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00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: I don't. It doesn't matter if it was from a

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00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: previous incident. The open container in the car is against

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Speaker 1: the wall, and she should not have had an open

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Speaker 1: container in her car. Ever, But the fact that no

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Speaker 1: one should have an open container in their car, and

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Speaker 1: the fact that someone is intoxicated as well as having

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Speaker 1: an open container, I mean, I agree with you two

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Speaker 1: plus two, but there are open container walls regardless of

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Speaker 1: win or why have you ever noticed? Just got Morgan,

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Speaker 1: Professor forensics. You've been on your death investigator, You've been

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Speaker 1: on so many scenes. I've noticed repeatedly, the dront person lives,

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Speaker 1: in the innocent person dies. Why is that? Well, one

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Speaker 1: of the things is that as the more intoxicated you are,

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Speaker 1: these essentially the ethanol, the alcohol itself acts as a

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Speaker 1: relaxant in your body, so you're totally relaxed. So let's say,

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Speaker 1: for instance, when you're driving down the road, and I

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Speaker 1: know a lot of people in our audience can identify

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Speaker 1: with this, how many people have been hit or you

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Speaker 1: see an accident coming at you. One of the things,

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Speaker 1: if you're not inebriated, you're gonna grab the steering wheel

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Speaker 1: very tightly. You're going to tense up every muscle in

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Speaker 1: your body so that when you get hammered by an

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Speaker 1: oncoming vehicle or you're running off the road, you're so

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Speaker 1: tense that you're gonna wind up with multiple contusions and

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Speaker 1: potentially broken bones, head injuries, all that stuff. Hey man,

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Speaker 1: when you're intoxicated, you're on the verge of being sedated,

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Speaker 1: so you're totally relaxed. So you're just gonna kind of

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Speaker 1: float about. Now you're gonna get deemed up up in

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Speaker 1: a lot of these people do if I get killed.

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Speaker 1: But you've got a higher probability of surviving that accident

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Speaker 1: because you're in kind of a relaxed state at that

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Speaker 1: point in time. Alex Auti mad National President. You said

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Speaker 1: earlier that this is no accident. I agree with you

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Speaker 1: because I believe, just as I would have to prove

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Speaker 1: intent mens rea under the law malice of forethought, even

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Speaker 1: if it was just for a few moments before a death.

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Speaker 1: I would argue to a jury that every single decision

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Speaker 1: was intentional and leading up to a death. The decision

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Speaker 1: to drink, the decision to get your keys and walk

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Speaker 1: to your car, the decision to crank up, put it

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Speaker 1: in reverse, put it in drive, go out onto an

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Speaker 1: open roadway. All of those are intentional decisions. And voluntary

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Speaker 1: use of drugs or alcohol is not a defense under

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Speaker 1: the law. So you can't claim, well, that's why I

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Speaker 1: made these decisions. It's intentional. It's just like me picking

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Speaker 1: up a gun a shooting Jackie right here in the studio.

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Speaker 1: They're absolutely right. And what you said about making a

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Speaker 1: series of choices, I can seek to my case, of course,

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Speaker 1: And do I believe that the man who ran me

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Speaker 1: over set out that morning to try and kill me? No,

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Speaker 1: of course not, he didn't know me. But I do

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Speaker 1: believe that he made a series of choices, one of

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Speaker 1: which involved consuming a large amount of alcohol that led

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Speaker 1: to my near death and loss of my leg. And

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Speaker 1: so I believe that it is a series of choices.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing accidental about that, and it is a serious crime.

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Speaker 1: Drunk driving is one of the leading causes of death

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Speaker 1: among our nation's children, and more than half of children

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Speaker 1: killed and drunk driving classes are killed by their own

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Speaker 1: drinking driver. Alex, how has being a victim of a

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Speaker 1: driver and losing your leg? How has that affected your life?

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Speaker 1: There's no way in which it hasn't affected my life.

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Speaker 1: I struggle a lot with the fact that the man

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Speaker 1: who ran me over got off, and so he gets

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Speaker 1: to forget There will never be a single second, but

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Speaker 1: I get to forget what he did to me because

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Speaker 1: I have a traumatic brain injury and I wake up

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Speaker 1: and put a leg on every morning, and so there's

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Speaker 1: absolutely no part of my life that it hasn't affected.

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Speaker 1: And for that reason, I wanted to be the last

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Speaker 1: little girl that this ever happened to. And I know,

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Speaker 1: more than ten years later and from this conversation today,

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Speaker 1: that I wasn't. But we at mad and me and

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00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: myself personally will continue to fight until that day comes,

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Speaker 1: until there is a last victim of drunk driving. This

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Speaker 1: is by far the first or the last driving incident

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Speaker 1: that causes a death or in Kiella Nagel's case a

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Speaker 1: life altering injury. Take a listen to Chris Holmstrom at

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Speaker 1: KCAL nine. One of the boys was pronounced dead on

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Speaker 1: the scene, the other died at the hospital able to run.

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Speaker 1: She's a well known figure in the community. She even

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Speaker 1: appeared on KCAL nine News at noon last year to

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Speaker 1: help raise funds for charity. It really is, you know

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Speaker 1: about collaborating. She's the founder and chair of the Grossman

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Speaker 1: Burn Foundation. She's also been recognized for her humanitarian work

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00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: across the world. Now she's faced with two counts of

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Speaker 1: vehicular manslaughter. Authorities say she was driving in her the influence.

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00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: It's senseless because it could have been avoided simply by

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Speaker 1: using uber lyft, even calling a friend, and now two

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Speaker 1: muslike families are going to be affected by this for generations.

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Speaker 1: Captain Vassah also told me Grossman did not stay on

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Speaker 1: the scene and was arrested a quarter mile up the road.

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Speaker 1: She was booked on a two million dollar bail, and

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Speaker 1: authorities believe there's also a second vehicle involved. That's all

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Speaker 1: part of this investigation. Plowing into a family of six,

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Speaker 1: killing family members, then fleeing the scene. A well known socialite.

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Speaker 1: Does it never end mommies that drive a drunk? In

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00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: this case, little aliah rais dead to Tim and Michelle

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Speaker 1: Nagel standing by now with their daughter Kila, also a

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Speaker 1: junk driving victim. What is your message today, Nagel family.

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00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: You would just love if everybody could just when they

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00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 1: get in the car, make sure you're responsible. You can

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00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: just follow the law. You can truly destroy a family

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00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,439
Speaker 1: and a lot of people by choosing to get behind

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Speaker 1: the wheel drunk and or high team medicine or whatever

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00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: it is. It impairs a driver. And you know, we

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00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: lost our daughter. She is figuously here, but um she's

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00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: she's not. And when a doctor told us that you'll

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00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 1: never have your old tale back, and um, she'll never

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Speaker 1: be the same. And we're just holding on the faith

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00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: that will. We're getting her back, and you know, focusing

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00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: everything on her and trying to get her better. And

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00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 1: it's it's hard for a mom dad to sit here

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00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: and watch, um, just the opportunity that she had for

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Speaker 1: her future, it's all it's stolen. And because you know,

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Speaker 1: when somebody gets behind the wheel of the car, you

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00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: just need to make sure you're responsible. Michelle Nay going

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Speaker 1: there after the murder of my fiancee. Often I would

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Speaker 1: wake up in the morning and just about maybe one

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00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: or two seconds, I would think everything was okay. Then

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00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:54,439
Speaker 1: it would hit me, what was happening? Do you ever

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Speaker 1: wake up and think it's before the crash? Um? Sometimes yes, Um,

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Speaker 1: but I feel like our life right now is just

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00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: so consumed with h you know, therapy and just um,

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00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: you know, trying to make sure that she gets better. Um.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's hard, uh, you know for us to remember, um,

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Speaker 1: how it was before the crash. Um, you know, just

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00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: missed her every day. I'm sorry, and we do. We

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Speaker 1: have a lot of video. We always have a video

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Speaker 1: camera on us, so from when they were born, all

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00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 1: three of our kids, we have just videos we can watch.

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00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: And before we went to court, it was really tough

579
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Speaker 1: looking through all the videos pictures of her being born.

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00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: For the accident, just it rips your heart out. And

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00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: it basically we made the video for court, um, just

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Speaker 1: to present the judge where look, this is my precious daughter.

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Speaker 1: Her life was stolen by someone that was drinking and

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Speaker 1: I'm driving. So as a parent it's really hard to

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Speaker 1: do deal through all this and a lot of other

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00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: stuff behind the scenes that we're dealing with, but you

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00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: know we're gonna just thank God. I couldn't imagine doing

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Speaker 1: all without God. To Christy Missouri, Joe Scott Morgan, doctor

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00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: Alan Blackey, James shell nutt Alex Atti, I know you

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00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: heard everything the Nakeles just said. All of us and

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Speaker 1: all of you listening. We have our work cut out

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Speaker 1: for us. Don't we keep the faith? Friends,