1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: About to hop in with Chris Kirkpatrick from in Sync, 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: who I just met last week or so. That was 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: a real cool guy, and said, hey man, I'd love 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: to talk a little more about the in Sync stuff 5 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: and he was like, yeah, sure, why not, which is 6 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: cool and so you know you're gonna hear us. We'll 7 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: get into a bunch of stuff. But he came and 8 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: filled in for the radio show. We referenced that in 9 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: our conversation, but yeah, I just really enjoyed the guy. 10 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: Thought it was a real cool dude. So that's coming 11 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 1: up in a second. We got a new logo, new Images. 12 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: I wonder it'll be up soon. It should be loaded up. 13 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: I just put it up so I saw it on 14 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: my phone. Very proud of it. Yeah. Well, the thing 15 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:34,319 Speaker 1: is with this podcast, I think people just think it's 16 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: me talking. We really do have a general idea here. 17 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,599 Speaker 1: It's about music for the most part. You know, we 18 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: want we do nine percent of the time talk to 19 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: people who are creating, have created, are thinking about creating 20 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: music in some way. And then if we don't even 21 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: we'll ask what's all you like? Right? So, uh, yeah, 22 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: we're pretty proud of that. Check out Amy's podcast four 23 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: things with Amy Brown, faith, family food. She just needs 24 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: another f Yeah, then you can just do all f 25 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: um Our Studio went here too. We we've had some 26 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: shelves built. One award that I put up on the 27 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: shelf is actually not an a word that I got. 28 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: It's an award for Andy Roddick. Well once they do 29 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: this thing in Austin called the forty and under. It's 30 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: right there, and they were and he wasn't able to go, 31 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: and I was up against him in the award, and 32 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 1: he goes, hey, if you win, great if I win, 33 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: and just go up and accept it for me. So 34 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: I said, okay, cool. Well he won and I went 35 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: up to accept it for him, and I gave a 36 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 1: speech though, and my speech was well, and he's not here, 37 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 1: but he wanted me to read this, and I've opened 38 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: up his paper and I went, well, hey, it's me Andy. 39 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: I first like to say I don't deserve this ward. 40 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 1: Bobby Bones does. And I just talked all the great 41 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: things that I thought would be funny to mention about me. 42 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: And then I said, even though I'm going to take 43 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: this award, and but then it sits here. I never 44 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: gave attempt it. I also kept the award. UH. So 45 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: you'll see that in the video too. You'll see a 46 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: lot of uh, we're trying to make the studio call 47 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: like we really are proud of this podcast. UM. Speaking 48 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: of that, UM and being proud of something, Caroline Hobby 49 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: did a really great live podcast where they went to 50 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: Drek Smiley's bar, sold out the place, and it was 51 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: we may have mentioned this in the last podcast. It 52 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: was brittany Al Dean and it was Caitlin Brown who 53 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: Kane Brown's wife and and Jason Aldian's wife, and she 54 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: is the wife of the lead singer of Thousand Horses. 55 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: But she was like, you know, but she was also 56 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: in a band, and so they did a live podcast 57 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: and it's up. It's called Get Real with Caroline Hobby. 58 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: And I do hope you checked that out because I 59 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: know she's proud of it. We're proud of her, and 60 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: you know, if you're looking for a cool podcast, check out. 61 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: I think that's a good one. Shucks to a lot 62 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: of wives of country singers. But she also now was 63 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: talking to really empowered women, which is cool. She kind 64 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: of has found her niche over there. UM. And if 65 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 1: you go and rate us, we appreciate that. I think 66 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: you're gonna like this next podcast. You can follow me 67 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: on Instagram. If you don't, Mr Bob Bones, you can 68 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: follow Bobby Cast though at the Bobby Cast the Bobby 69 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: Cast on Instagram. We love that we don't have many followers. 70 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: We started it late. Yeah, that's a pretty good amount. 71 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: What do we have now? I think it's like twenties 72 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: something people not that'd be awesome at the Bobby Cast. Um. 73 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: All right, appreciate you guys, talk to you soon. Here 74 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: is me with Chris Kirkpatrick. All right, welcome to episode 75 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: two thirty with Chris Kirkpatrick from in Sync and also 76 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: from the depths of our new friendship Chris. Chris came 77 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: by and did the radio show last week. And it 78 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: seems like it's every day, just all the time, just 79 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: hang out. You're busy taking up each other. Well, I 80 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: mean we're we're all working. Yeah, apparently not as much 81 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: as you you're I just still I don't have a 82 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: definable skill so dancing. No, I'm not No, I'm not 83 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: a go I didn't look for the mirror ball. You 84 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: would have seen it, Yeah, you would have seen it. 85 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: I thought you said, I wouldn't have seen it. That's 86 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: the reason you put it where it was. Well, maybe 87 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: when you walk through the living room and we just 88 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: had to take my table. It's my table in two 89 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: parts in there too. That I was all embarrassed. Yeah, 90 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: a dog pooped all over the rocks. But to remove 91 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: the rug, oh nice, took the table in two parts 92 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: that broke in half. I've got a really good cleaner 93 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: for that because I have a big dog that likes 94 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: to do things like that too, and I have a 95 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: good cleaner to dude. It's a very valuable thing to have. Yeah, 96 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: that in a handyman, you know, So I use zero 97 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: rest for cleaning. And you know what I used for 98 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 1: a handyman that's been good? Is that app um? Oh yeah, tackle. 99 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: This is not a commercial for either one of them. 100 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: Who's your cleaner? Who do you used? Um? We just 101 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: found that my wife found this company, um that like 102 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: you know, deep cleans the floors because we had a 103 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: you know whatever, the big generic people that come in 104 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: and they actually almost ruined our carpet like trying to 105 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: do the cleaning thing, and we're like we couldn't get 106 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: some of the stain up. So we called this other company. Man. 107 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: They came in and I couldn't believe what they got 108 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: out of that carpet. You can tell we're getting older 109 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: because we're both excited about carpet clanking about, like, oh wow, 110 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: tell me so, yeah that and then we'll you'll delete 111 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: that out right, just to bleep it. Yeah, yeah, every time. 112 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: We won't even delete it, will just bleep it. Yeah, 113 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: just rawn uncut. Uh, you're going to a show after 114 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: this podcast. Don't don't do that to me. Don't do it. Well, 115 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: I soul decision. No, we were debating which soul soul asylum. 116 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: Soul decision was collective soul. And now I wouldn't know 117 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: soul to soul like that. That one I's definitely different, 118 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: and that one I would know less of. Really, So, 119 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: mikee people pull these up. I think I'm a little 120 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: older than you though, right, So that's like eight nine 121 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: years old. Okay, but so not enough. Let's just walk 122 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: through them. Soul Asylum is runaway train, never gone back, 123 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: no one no, no one way track. That was big 124 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: in the nineties. There you go, souls jammed right. It 125 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: was a great song soul decision, Mike. If you can 126 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: pull that down was like a knockoff of you guys 127 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: those late nights that they opened up for us. Yeah, 128 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: and they had one confused, really big song's my place, 129 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: so um soul decision finding that they don't pop up 130 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: owner streaming service and what really I want to say, 131 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: I ran into one of those guys the other day. Yeah, 132 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: they definitely had a big song, like a beat. Yeah, 133 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: let's a soul decision radio, but there is no soul 134 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: decision that comes up except for a song, and Soul 135 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: Decision Radio is all in sync Jordan's Night, New Kids, 136 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: So it's definitely a thing. Um so okay, And then 137 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: they have and there's Collective Soul, which is December. Oh 138 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: why drink the water from my hand? You know what this? Yeah? 139 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: And they have uh you Mike, will you what's their 140 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: second biggest song they have listened on there the world? 141 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: I know this was a big jam. Um. When I 142 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: walk upon Hick, they're very much like um toad the 143 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: wet sprockety Yeah yeah, a little same area, right, Wasn't 144 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: that the same? It was that still mid nineties told 145 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: maybe a little earlier. Maybe a little earlier. I think 146 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: you guys a little older and live, Yes, they were 147 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: also kind of this who is college rock kind of 148 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: eat stuff? Who was your like when you were growing 149 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: up and you're into like when music started to get 150 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: really important to you, who was it for you when 151 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: I was when I was young. I mean, my mom 152 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: and dad really influenced me with the Beatles, and they 153 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: weren't together, but you know, it's crazy separately. Like my mom, 154 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: you know, was always listening and that was her almost 155 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: her like teeny Bopper Years was the Beatles, even though 156 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: my mom was sixteen when I was born, so I 157 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: was her teeny Bopper years. But uh, and my dad 158 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: is a big you know, Beatles head. And actually, when 159 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: I first started playing guitar, I would play guitar left handed, 160 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: and I couldn't figure out why it took me so 161 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: long to pick up the guitar because I always watched 162 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: Paul McCartney and he was like my idol. And if 163 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: I was air guitar, I still do this day if 164 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: I air guitar guitar left handed sometimes, but yeah, so 165 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: I had to. I flipped all the strings on the 166 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: guitar and started playing left hand, and then I realized 167 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: I'm right hand. See I'm left handed and I play 168 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 1: left handed right, but I tried to play right handed 169 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: for a long time because there everywhere there is no 170 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 1: left handed guitar. That just chills. You can't be somewhere 171 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: and you grab a guitar that you do the thing 172 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: where you switched the strings around and the it was 173 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: so hard because they did the nut. Because then so 174 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 1: I did two things. One, I tried to just flip 175 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: it upside down, take a right handed guitar and just 176 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: play it upside down, which means no changing of strings, 177 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: just play it the other way. Didn't work, so then 178 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: I would remove the strings myself. Those chords must have 179 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: been there were Well, when you don't know any chords, 180 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: you're all weird, right, But I couldn't like learn from 181 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 1: people or even watch just put your finger here, No, no, 182 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: gonna put it down here. It's And then I tried 183 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: the nut. There's a little nut on a guitar as 184 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: a holder for each string, and as a string it's bigger. 185 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: The bigger stringers in. But then you have to put 186 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: the big string in the tiny nut and then as 187 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: you always out. But then I just was like, screw it. 188 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: I went to Walmart, got a chord sheet, went to 189 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: a pawn shop, paid fifty bucks, bought a left handing guitar, 190 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: and I just played for comedy. You know, I do 191 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: music and stand upp but uh but yeah, so what 192 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: but what was you have the Beatles? But when you 193 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: were like sixteen or seventeen, I mean like the pop music, 194 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: just because for me it was nineties grunge and Garth 195 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 1: Brooks was kind of the two lanes when music started 196 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: to be important. That's when you can tell that there 197 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: is just a bit of a difference between us, because 198 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 1: mine would have been like like to me, I look 199 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: back on music and in nineteen eighty four, for some reason, 200 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: I was eighties baby, So I mean grew up in 201 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: the eighties. But nineteen eighty four and nine eight had 202 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: some of the best. Usually if I hear like a 203 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: great song, like I'll listen to the eighties or Classic 204 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: Rewind or something, though, so what I was listening the 205 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: way here and you listen to it, and I'm like, 206 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: if it's a really great song, I mean, you know 207 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: Van Halen the album was. But there's like, you know, 208 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: there was something about the year nineteen eight four and 209 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: in year nineteen eight eight that just all this great 210 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: music came out in those years. Was it was that 211 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,599 Speaker 1: election year? Maybe? I don't know, that's the theories. I 212 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: didn't think about that. I mean, I don't know if 213 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: that makes any sense or any any difference. So we 214 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: should be listening to some good stuff. Here was that 215 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 1: BST Boys guy at all? Oh? I love the BST Boys. 216 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 1: I actually I was into a lot of hip hop 217 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: when when pop music I started really getting into pop music. 218 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: I mean, we grew up really poor, like I couldn't 219 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: we didn't have anything, you know, we were my friends 220 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: were taping on the radio doing the record I didn't 221 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 1: couldn't afford a cassette player to record off the radio. 222 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: So I was I was getting music anyway I could 223 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: get it. But the only music I could ever find 224 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: was pop music. So I really got into pop music. 225 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: Um I I really liked some weird stuff too, like 226 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: the Ramons, Adam and Uh Billy Idol was really pop 227 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: and and Billie was cool. Um I like David Bowie. 228 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: There were some bands It's funny to me looking back 229 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: on how like like Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. When 230 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: I was a kid, I hated Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers. 231 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: Now it's like one of my favorite bands to listen to. 232 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: It's like once you understand music and you really, you know, 233 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 1: grow into your musical self all your music things change 234 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: and who I love. I'm I'm definitely a real poppy, 235 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: poppy guy. Like I really even think the Ramons are 236 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: real poppy beastie boys were you know. But I remember 237 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: when the run DMC Walked This Way came out. When 238 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,079 Speaker 1: that video came out, I remember asking somebody, who's that 239 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: rock band? Or who are these actors that are singing 240 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: with run DMC because I listened to, you know, a 241 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: lot of hip hop at that time, and I know, 242 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: you know, Aerosmith and then of course later eighties it 243 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: was all you know, hair bands and rock and how 244 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: did you feel about that? I loved it, man, I 245 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: loved it. Def Leopard you know, I had everything from them, 246 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: And um I was one of my first shows I 247 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: ever went to. The first very first concert I went 248 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: to was weird Al Yankovic and the New Monkeys, which 249 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: will just tell you like where my weirdness is. But 250 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: um my first concert, like with my buddies in high 251 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: school was Poison and Tesla, and then we went to 252 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 1: like def Leopard, Kiss Motley Crewe. I mean we saw him. 253 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: We were I was in Ohio at the time. We 254 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: went to like Cleveland, you know, whe They're like, what's 255 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: up Cleveland, and it's like it was like the middle 256 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: of that show the Dirt, Like we were right there 257 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: when Tommy leaves upside Down. I was living through that, 258 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: and it was just you know that that music was 259 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: just so popular. It was just so catchy, and again 260 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: it was all pop music. I love Madonna, I love Prince, 261 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: I love Michael Jackson, but all the real poppy stuff 262 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: when you talk about Poison. I got to know Brett 263 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,839 Speaker 1: Michaels a little later on after obviously Poison had done 264 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: their thing, and even after Rock of Love when he 265 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: came back and kind of started again that I even 266 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: met that guy. We act. Actually, that's funny he said that. Um, 267 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 1: in December, Joey and I do this boat parade in 268 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: in uh Fort Lauderdale and he was the host, the 269 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: big the host guy, and we just basically take down boats, 270 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: like down the causeways and stuff. And the night before 271 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 1: he was having a show and he invited us out 272 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: to a show, and um, he asked us to come 273 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: out and sing the last song with him, and I 274 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: was just in heaven because we met him way back 275 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: in the day and when we were on tour, he 276 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: came out to a show, and I know he's a 277 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh guy, so you know, we were talking about the 278 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: Steelers and stuff like that. But like to be out 279 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: on stage with him and like thinking back to like 280 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: that was one of my first concerts and here I 281 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: am like, I don't know if it equal, but you know, 282 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: just on that level was pretty cool. He's a nice guy. Really. 283 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: He was so nice and a great athlete, oddly because 284 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: we played softball together and he would show up in 285 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: blue jeans and a cutout shirt and his cowboy hat 286 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: a different cowboy had every time and just dominate center field. 287 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: You would hit anything by him in blue jeans, diving. 288 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: Did you have cowboy boots on? He would he would 289 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: switch the boots alutu before he went out, but that 290 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: would be impressive. A super kind guy and then was 291 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: and I was just struck at his athletic prowess, even 292 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: because he's in his forties now and the guy was 293 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: run around like there's twenty two years and know he's 294 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: in his fifth gott to be in his fifth. I'm 295 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: in my forties, Like that was like when I was 296 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: a kid, So he's got to be probably mid the 297 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: later fifties. Even when you have those moments where you go, wow, 298 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: this is cool, like something I looked up to and 299 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: now I get to be a part of it. Did 300 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: you have a lot of those when you were or 301 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: was it happening so fast? Could you appreciate him? I 302 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: think he's still appreciate him. You know, there's there's there's 303 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: no way some of the stuff we do could just 304 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: blow by. But I mean, you know, hanging out with 305 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, performing with my with Jackson. Did you ever 306 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: did you meet him talk to him? What was that like? 307 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: What was he like? Um? It was it was strange. 308 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: It was like it was I felt there was this 309 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: weirdness like around him. You know, I don't think a 310 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: lot of it was really him. I think it was 311 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: what was around him. I think he had a lot 312 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: of yes men around him, and I think there was 313 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people just like feeding into what he 314 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 1: was and not who he was. And it was kind 315 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: of it was kind of strange because it almost was 316 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: like you were just talking to an icon instead of 317 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: a human. For a little while, but you know, really 318 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: really generous guy, really, you know, very very soft spoken, 319 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: just like you would think somebody like that commands you know, 320 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: attention or whatever. But you know, he just was very 321 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: soft spoken, you know, and he let all his singing 322 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: and dancing and and his stage stuff speak for him normally. 323 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: Was it a while to watch someone be so soft 324 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: and his man rhysms and speech, I think, get on stage. 325 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: It's it's it's insane. I mean again, kind of going 326 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: back to what I was just saying, I'm a Steelers fan, 327 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: it's it's like Troy Paula Malo. I don't know if 328 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: you're a big football guy, but he was a safety 329 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: defensive back for the Steelers, and he was the same way. 330 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: He was very you know, hey, you know, quiet whatever, 331 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: and you see him on the field and he's jumping him. 332 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: That's the way Michael was. You know, Michael's just very 333 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: hey guys, you know, thanks so much for coming out whatever, 334 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: and you're just like, this is Michael, Like I thought, Michael, 335 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: come in, hey this, you know, I mean I'm doing 336 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: a lot higher than that doing his little front kicks, 337 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: and so that's cool. So Michael Jackson is one of 338 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: those what's another one You look back and go, man, 339 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: that's freaking cool. Paul McCartney. Paul McCartney was big. Um. 340 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: He came. I met him in an award show and 341 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: then I went to one of his shows and sat 342 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: with him backstage. I mean, it's he could have been 343 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: a jerk and I would have been like, he's a god, 344 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: you know, but he was really really nice and and 345 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: I think one of the coolest though, it was Phil 346 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: Collins because we actually did a song with Phil Collins 347 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: and there's a part in the song where it's like 348 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: in in the band, I do the harmonies, you know, 349 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: Justin and j C usually do the leads, and then 350 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: I would do their harmonies on the verses and a 351 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 1: lot of the harmonies in the in the choruses. And 352 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: he's like, well, okay, so who does like the harmonies? 353 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: And I think Justin or something Chris usually does like 354 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: the harmonies. Goes okay, well, then you guys go in 355 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: and do this part, and then me and Chris will 356 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:29,719 Speaker 1: go in and sing this part. And I was like, 357 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: why don't you you want to go in and then 358 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: I'll go in because and we went in and I'm 359 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,239 Speaker 1: standing there at the mic. I don't even remember what 360 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: I was singing. I'm just singing into the same mike 361 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 1: and Phil Collins is right there, and I'm just like, 362 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: you know, first cassette I ever had was no jacket required. 363 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: So that was another big moment. That's cool. And his 364 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: daughter is really sweet too. She's an actress, um uh yeah, 365 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: and she's super hot. Yeah, and she she was there 366 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: that day. I was very young. She was very young, 367 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: and she was there that day. And I remember sitting 368 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: in the booth while the guys were in there and 369 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: she looks over at me she goes, I can't believe 370 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,479 Speaker 1: I'm sitting in the same room with you right now. 371 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: And I'm like, your dad is Phil Collins, you know, 372 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: like it's crazy. And then I went and saw her 373 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago at Justin show in l A. 374 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: And she was there and she goes, oh, do you 375 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: remember me? And I'm like, yeah, you're like famously Lily 376 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, you're like famous now, it's crazy. 377 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: What was cool was I remember I'm just going from 378 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: memory here. There was an award show, maybe one of 379 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: like the v M A s because you guys were 380 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: a lot of those, but you came out and there 381 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: were these TV screens with your head m TV Awards, 382 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: I think, and you guys did the dancing behind TV 383 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: screens of Gigantic your own heads. Like really one of 384 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: the coolest perform that I remember ever. It's it's crazy. 385 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: That's the one. That's the performance that a lot of 386 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: people talk about and they're always like and at the time, 387 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: it was weird because Wade Robson, who was our choreographer 388 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: at the time, said he's got this concept and I think, 389 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: you know, flat screen TVs were not the thing yet, 390 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 1: like they were just coming out and you know, you're 391 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: talking two thousand maybe, and uh, He's like, we're gonna 392 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: film this thing where your head's on the screens and 393 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,239 Speaker 1: you guys are gonna be dancing below. And I was like, 394 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: it's crazy because you think to yourself, yeah, that that 395 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: would be cool. That makes sense, that's that's gonna be cool, 396 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: But you don't have any idea the impact and like 397 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: when when you see it and when people watch it, 398 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: that's all they talk about. But I think it's also 399 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: the way he choreographed it and the way he filmed, 400 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: the way he filmed what our faces were doing, because 401 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: sometimes our faces would all switch around, and you know, 402 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: when we were doing the choreography, we were just doing 403 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: what we were doing. But when I watched it again, 404 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: it made a lot more sense. You mentioned earlier that 405 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: your mom was sixteen, which you had to you. Mine was, oh, yeah, 406 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: so I know what it's like. You know, you said 407 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: something at the radio station too. I mean, I know 408 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: you're kind of joking around about the government cheese or 409 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: you were talking about stuff like that. It's really weird because, like, 410 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: especially in the industry, you find people that actually really 411 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: know where you came from. It's really kind of a 412 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: cool moment and you're just kind of like wow, man. 413 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: Like I went back and I think I told my wife. 414 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: I was like that, that's really kind of cool because 415 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: he gets it and he understands that, you know, what 416 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: we have now is all icing. You know, it's not 417 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: something that we worked for and we deserved. You know, 418 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: from day one, it's been icing, and you appreciate it 419 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: and you look back and you know, all my I 420 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: did a foundation in Orlando when we were there, and 421 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: it was all for you know, underprivileged kids, and we 422 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: used to do some crazy fun stuff, and we do 423 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: it around Halloween because to me, Halloween is a time 424 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: that people don't think about, you know, charities, you don't 425 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: think about giving, But especially for kids, it's really important. 426 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: For people, it's really important. Everybody likes to dress up, 427 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: Everybody likes to be somebody else. So do those kids. 428 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: And those kids get a chance to, like even for 429 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: a day, be the Hulk or be Iron Man or 430 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: or whoever. And it was fun. We'd always buy them costumes. 431 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: We used to throw like big Halloween bashes in my 432 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: exclusive like gated community, but just for the kids. We'd 433 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: have the neighbor kids come in, but all our kids 434 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: had the v I P bracelets on so they could 435 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: get into certain things and they were the coolest ones 436 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: and the little rich kids, which were nice kids too, 437 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: but it was nice for a change to just kind 438 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: of flip it on them. And and another time, I 439 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: remember we got some food. And every time we go 440 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 1: like shop for a family whatever, and we'd get them 441 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: food too. We'd always buy the good stuff because when 442 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: I was growing up, it's like we get a knock 443 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: on the door around Christmas time and it's two grocery 444 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: bags from the from the church and it's creamed corn, 445 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: and it's like and you think about it, it's like 446 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 1: what you don't want from your from your cover. You're like, oh, 447 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: we're not gonna use this. Give this, give this, because 448 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: beggars can't be choosers, and we never were. But when 449 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: I went out, I was getting like Hawaiian punch. And 450 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: we went to this house and one house and gave 451 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: this stuff out and this kid grabbed like the sere 452 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: or something and he just starts looking as mom, Mom, 453 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: it's the good stuff, you know. And that's the point 454 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 1: where you're just kind of like, wow, that was cool, 455 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: Like that's why you do it. I remember Christmas one 456 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: year because church would bring us gifts to if we 457 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: didn't get gifts, we can afford gifts, and so they would, 458 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: you know, beat on the door. It's funny because that 459 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: when you said that, I know exactly what that feels like. 460 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 1: And I got a Paint by Numbers duck picture, which 461 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: I would have looked at and thought, never in a 462 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: million years what I want that, But it was the 463 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: only gift I got that and I think it's one 464 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 1: of my favorite gifts that I ever got. And it 465 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: was a crappy brush with a bunch of greens and 466 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: yellows and a duck and I painted that thing and 467 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 1: I was so proud of it. Do you find yourself like, 468 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: now you know, now that you've got money, and now 469 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: that you've got it, do you find yourself going back 470 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: and finding like some of the stuff either you wanted 471 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: or maybe something that you had that meant a ton 472 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: to you, Like like I had a bunch of G 473 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: I Joe's. I think, you know, maybe you know a 474 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: couple of handfuls of G I Joe's. And obviously, you know, 475 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: we moved around a lot too, so we lost a 476 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,720 Speaker 1: lot of stuff. But I've gone back out on eBay 477 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: and bought those again and sat there and my son 478 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: actually was playing with them the other day, and I 479 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: was kind of like, yeah, this is cool. That's pretty cool. 480 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,160 Speaker 1: I find what I tried to do, and as I all, 481 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: it's selfish charity because for example, my high school basketball team, 482 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 1: I couldn't afford the shoes, and you had to have 483 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: the shoes to play, and it wasn't a thing where 484 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: it was like only the kids that can afford the 485 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: shoes can play, but it was just understood that everybody 486 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: could afford sixty dollars and I couldn't. So I just 487 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: didn't play basketball. And I really wanted to, but not 488 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: because I wasn't good enough, but because I couldn't afford 489 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: the shoes, and I just didn't want to be a 490 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: charity case all the time. So what I do now 491 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: is I buy the whole team shoes, so not one 492 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: kid has to feel that, right, I just want to 493 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: eliminate how I So it's almost like I'm selfishly going 494 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,920 Speaker 1: back in and helping me. Isn't it funny though? How 495 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: sometimes you look back and you feel so sorry for 496 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: that kid, but then you're like, no, wait, that kid 497 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: was me? Who cares well what I do? In a way, 498 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: I go, you know what, the best thing that ever 499 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: happened to me was the struggle. Yeah, because I am tenacious, 500 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: I'm resilient. I like, I'm built for whatever you put 501 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: in front of me. So tell me this, this is 502 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: that's the same. But it's kind of a catchway too 503 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 1: with me because now I have a little I have 504 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: a son. My son, whatever he wants to a point 505 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: he gets. I mean, obviously we don't spoil him, but 506 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: everything we give him, we let him know that you 507 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: know he's getting this. You know, we try to. He's 508 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: still young enough. He doesn't have a lot of friends, 509 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: so he can't you know, he's not acclimated with kids 510 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: yet to really understand how other kids have it. But 511 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: how do you teach that now to a kid that 512 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: never has to worry about it? How do you teach 513 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 1: that that wanting to go out wanting to fight for 514 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: everything you have to a kid that doesn't have to 515 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: fight for everything. You know, you can't you can't not 516 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: give him things. You know, you can't say no, you 517 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: know you're not going to have this because I didn't 518 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: have it, and I want you to learn. You know, 519 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 1: you still try to do it, but at the same 520 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: time you have to. It's this balancing act of trying 521 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: to teach him that all kids don't get that, you know, 522 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: and I'm I'm already like trying to distill a him 523 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: when he goes to school. Make sure he befriends every 524 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: kid in school, even the quiet kid, the dirty kid, 525 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: you know, whoever. Make sure every kid eels special in 526 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: school because who knows, you know, possibly you know, being 527 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: my son or being around it, that he might you know, 528 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: be kind of popular, and I'm hoping he is, because 529 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: if he is, I'm gonna say, you know, at that age, 530 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,280 Speaker 1: you already have to understand you have to use that. 531 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: You know, you have to understand it. You were just 532 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 1: in a situation not because of you, but because of 533 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: the way you were brought up. You know. It's what's 534 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: interesting about you is you were able to break the 535 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: almost impossible generational cycle of what we struggle with in 536 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: America of poverty. And it's hard to get out because 537 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: if you're impoverished, and I'll put me in that too, 538 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: there's not a lot of resources that go into us 539 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: and into my friends and and myself, and so it's rare. 540 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: And thank god, I was blessed to just be real 541 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: smart and standardized tests and I could you know, I 542 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: was good. It was quick, um, And it's hard to 543 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: break that. But you have one of the rare tasks 544 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: of now being a father going through that situation because 545 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: you know what it was like and what it to you, 546 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: but you also knew what it felt like to go 547 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 1: through that. And they have those kids that my son 548 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 1: will become talking to you like you're you know, just nobody, 549 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: which is funny to me. I love my class reunions, 550 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 1: you know, because those are great because I go back 551 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: and here I was this kid that you know, couldn't 552 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 1: afford my class ring. We didn't have a car, we 553 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: didn't have electricity a lot of the times, you know, 554 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: we didn't have a lot of things. So you know, 555 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: they were like most likely to never hear from again, 556 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: even a class reunions, I would have won it, you know. 557 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: But then to you know, come out and do this stuff. 558 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: It's it's it's so strange. It's just almost surreal. Like 559 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: a lot of times, I feel like I'm living in 560 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: out of body experience and looking at my life through 561 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: what I always wished it was as a kid. You 562 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: didn't have Facebook when instinct was blowing up, not because 563 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: it wasn't a thing yet would you have people like 564 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,479 Speaker 1: reaching out to you because you said high school reunion 565 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: and I go through this little different now, but we're 566 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: how did people get ahold you and be like he 567 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: remember me? We were best friends back in the day. Um, 568 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: I mean we had a website and uh, you know 569 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: it was funny back then with even just with the 570 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,959 Speaker 1: website of how we were trying to be progressive with 571 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: it and we had this whole idea about this like 572 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: three D market and you know, everything where it was 573 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: all inclusive and you know, not knowing that cell phones 574 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: would be what they are. But um, I've there's a 575 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 1: lot of ways that happened. I actually, you know, I'm 576 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: still in touch with some friends, you know, from way 577 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 1: back in the day that I saw their sign at 578 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: hershey in the audience saying hey, Chris, it's these people, 579 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 1: and I had security I go out and get them, 580 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: and um, you know, a lot of some of my 581 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: I've stayed in contact with a lot of most of 582 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: my high school friends, you know, at least a couple 583 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: of them, and they know how to get in touch 584 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: with a couple of them. Or they'd say, hey, so 585 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: and so wants to know if if they can come down, 586 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's it's really kind of cool 587 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: because I think a lot of my high school friends 588 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: that are still my friends now were my friends in 589 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: high school. You know, we were all I wasn't. I 590 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: wasn't the you know, I wasn't a popular kid. I 591 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: wasn't I said, like the least popular. But it was 592 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 1: just kind of like I was just like everybody's little 593 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,360 Speaker 1: brother like I was little. That's another thing I had 594 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: not gone in physical stature and physical stature because I 595 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: was five hundred pounds my junior year of high school. 596 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: So I grew about nine ten inches after my junior 597 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: high school. And I went to my five year reunion 598 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 1: before in Sync blew up, and there were guys coming 599 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 1: up to me going, hey, who are you here with? 600 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: And I'm like, there were seventy kids in our class. 601 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: I know you, Tim, remember it's Chris kp. Patrick. They're like, oh, yeah, wow, 602 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: you're bigger. You've changed. When you say before instinct blew up? 603 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: Did people feel like that that was? Did anybody go, man, 604 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: you guys really hit a hard quick and you're going 605 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: if you had any idea what we've been doing? Work 606 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: like because people because for me, people will go, boy, 607 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: in the last year, you've the last couple of years, 608 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: you've really bla And I'm like, man, I guess I'm 609 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: a fifteen year overnight success it because you only see 610 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: like when the fruition. I think the difference is um. 611 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: I think blowing up isn't the right way to talk 612 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: about it, because it was blow It was almost blowing 613 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: up overnight. It was the overnight success story. That's you know, 614 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: that to me is different. That to me is you 615 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: know that you just you know, it's like, hey, hi, 616 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: justin my name is Chris and I said, oh, we're famous. 617 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: You know, it's like that was There was a lot 618 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: of work into that. There was a lot we did. 619 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: There was you know, obviously a lot of but when 620 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: we released the Disney Special in the States, that was 621 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: the first time any kid in the United States. We 622 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: were all getting on an airplane and some girl goes, hey, 623 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: that's those guys on the Disney Show. Can I have 624 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: an autograph? And we all like stopped in the jetway 625 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: and went running back out because we're like, wait, you're American, 626 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: you know us? And she's like, yeah, yeah, I saw 627 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: you in the Disney Special. And it was so weird 628 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: because that girl was the first one and maybe you know, 629 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: the next day it just became all over, like everybody 630 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: would start stopping us and it just became because then 631 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: that Disney Special was you know this, It started this 632 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: whole trend and that's what kids were watching. That was 633 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: the That was the blippy, that was the you know 634 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: whatever um Barney or whatever. You know that Disney Special 635 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: was what all kids focused on. So when kids get 636 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: onto something, I mean, it's crazy how they run with 637 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: it and and you know, they want to be an 638 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: adult and so they take it and make it in 639 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: And that's what happened, was I mean, they just took 640 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: us as their band and blew us up. You had 641 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: been performing and had music released overseas though, right, so 642 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: when they go, hey, let's do a quick infancy story, 643 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: you actually were the guy that was first when when 644 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: in things started to come together, right, I put the 645 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: band together. Right, so you're the guy. So you go, 646 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna find and in your mind were 647 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: you putting together a band, a boy band, a singing group? 648 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: What was the idea? So when I when I first 649 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: started music, um, I fell into music. You know it 650 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: was like I was, I always wanted to do something. 651 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: I want to be a football player, I want to 652 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: do all these other things. But I kept falling into music. 653 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: Um I landed uh the lead role of Oliver Twist 654 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: in our high school production when I was in sixth grade? 655 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: Could you sing at that point in your mind? Like, 656 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: were you a good singer? I still don't think I'm 657 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: a good singer. You know, it's like I mean, I 658 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: could stay on key and you know, it's and and again, 659 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: you know, talk about five hundred pounds my junior year. 660 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: Obviously my voice didn't change until you know, about two 661 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: weeks ago, but you know, it was there was a 662 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: lot of um I. I enjoyed music. I always kept 663 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: falling into it. UM. I moved to Orlando and started college. 664 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: And so that's why I was one of the older 665 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: ones in the band. Like I was already I graduated. 666 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: How we how we from the Battery Poison I were 667 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: in college together and UM I was just there and 668 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: I was, you know, taking random classes just so I 669 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: could say I went to college and you know, I 670 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: learned a trade or something, and there was a there 671 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: was an ad for a choir, and I didn't went 672 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: to the ad and I got a scholarship. And the 673 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: next thing, you know, I got another scholarship. And then 674 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: I went to a prestigious school, Rollins, with a scholarship 675 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: in music. And it just kept following me. But the 676 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: whole time I was doing um acoustic guitars with a 677 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: buddy of mine, like we'd play it coffee shops or 678 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: whatever it was, and then when I was in high school, 679 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: we did these quartets, and I loved acapella. I loved harmonies. 680 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: So I put together a quartet and at all these 681 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: coffee shops and things we were doing, me playing the 682 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: guitar with my buddy Steve, was like, okay, I col 683 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: driving and crying cool Indigo girls, all right, whatever. But 684 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: then when we go out and do this acapella stuff, 685 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: like everybody just went nuts. I mean, girls were just like, 686 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: oh my god, this is the best ever. And I'm like, wow, 687 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: like that there's something to this. So I was trying 688 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: to do the acapella thing. And I even remember when 689 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: Howie and Charlie came to me with their pictures with 690 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: the Backstreet Boys. I was like, how's that gonna work? 691 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: You guys are like singing the tapes, you know. I'm like, oh, so, Charlie, 692 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: Charlie is a great story. Charlie Edwards was one of 693 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: my really close friends. Is a great guy. He uh. 694 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: He's how I got connected with all of it, all 695 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: the lou Perlman and all that. So I had a 696 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: quartet at school. Charlie was in my quartet. How he 697 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 1: was in my class, How he came into school looking 698 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: for kids for the Battery Boys, and he went to Charlie, 699 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: so him and Charlie joined the Battery Boys. Um, Charlie 700 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: had a falling out, I guess with a producer. So 701 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: Charlie came to me and called me and said, hey, 702 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: you know, I want to be involved, but could we 703 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: bring your group that you have to this guy Lou 704 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: Perroman And I was like yeah, sure. So then you know, 705 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: it's probably about a year. We were just grinding and 706 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: and I had like three jobs and full time school 707 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: and it was like I'd be late for some rehearsals 708 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: and they were just like, you know what, I can't 709 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: do this anymore. And he quit and I said, but 710 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: I had the introduction with Lou. And that's when you know. 711 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: Lou was like, I need you to get the band, 712 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: like I want another band. I've got Backstreet, I want 713 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: another band, which sucks for them him like, and you know, 714 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: in hindsight, it really sucks for them because here was 715 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: this guy who they looked at as their their brother, 716 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: their papul Lou and he's out there as a business 717 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: guy going and he even said it. He'd say it 718 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: to us all the time, you know, I've got Burger king, 719 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: I want McDonald's. You know, they get along, they coexist. 720 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: And you know, if he would have been an honest 721 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,359 Speaker 1: guy and just one that you know, who knows where 722 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: he'd be. But this Charlie guy just to go back 723 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: for one second, Yeah, you're telling me that, yes, in 724 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: both backstraight and instinct, and then what what is he alive? Still? Yeah? 725 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,439 Speaker 1: And what he did, I'm pretty sure I even't talked 726 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: to him. And then I used to run into him 727 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: a lot. That's crazy. But and he actually left my 728 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 1: band to go teach golf in a club med and 729 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 1: I was begging him. I'm like, dude, you know, I'm 730 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: holding on the strings here like I would. I mean again, 731 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: I had so many jobs, and I had, you know, 732 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: full time school, and I was like still trying to 733 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 1: arrange music and teach people parts and put together um 734 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: rehearsals and all this stuff. And when he quit, I 735 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: was just I mean, I remember, you know, just being 736 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 1: in the lowest, one of the lowest places of my life, 737 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: laying there thinking that I had a potential with this 738 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 1: loop Roman guy. And the guys in my band would 739 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: keep quitting, you know, dropping out or quitting so who 740 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: was the first guy of of of the band. Now 741 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: the group that you were like, all right, come do 742 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 1: it just and you met him was this Mickey Mouse 743 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: Club no post. So, so the story, the real story is, 744 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 1: I was I was making cold calls. I was just 745 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: calling people. I'm like, you know, I need to find 746 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 1: you know, parts, I need to find guys that saying 747 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: I need to do whatever. So I don't remember. I 748 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: think I went through the paper or something like that, 749 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,879 Speaker 1: and I called I think I called agents. I called 750 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 1: like nineteen agents. I'm like, listen, I'm putting together this group. Okay, 751 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,359 Speaker 1: thank you so much. It's my number, this my address click, 752 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,839 Speaker 1: you know, I did nineteen agents. One person got back 753 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: to me and I went over I remember it like 754 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,879 Speaker 1: it was yesterday's Studio Plaza in Orlando, and pulled up 755 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,720 Speaker 1: in my little Nie Song Center or whatever I was driving, 756 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: and he gave me this Manila envelope and I went 757 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: out and you know, put it popped in this cassette 758 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: tape into my player and heard this voice and I'm like, 759 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: oh my god, like this is unbelievable. This is better 760 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: than anybody that's been in my band yet. And I 761 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: pulled up the head shot and I'm like, Justin Timberlake, 762 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 1: is he an Indian? Like I didn't you know, I 763 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,959 Speaker 1: didn't get I didn't know if that was a stick 764 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: or what was going on. And UH called his mom 765 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,479 Speaker 1: and that was a tough call because they were back 766 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: in Memphis, and I was like, hey, uh, I'm this 767 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 1: twenty four three year old guy, and I want to 768 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 1: put your fourteen year old son in a band with me, 769 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: and you know, and and they had this thing where 770 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: it was like they went down for Mickey mouse Club 771 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: and they said, well, if we got to go there 772 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: for Mickey mouse Club and we don't get it, at 773 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: least we'll go to Disney. So, you know, they kind 774 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 1: of said it again. They also suggested, they said, well, 775 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: he's been working with j C. So j C came 776 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 1: down and I actually met j C first because Lou 777 00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 1: went and picked j C up at the airport and 778 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: they came to my work and I met j C. 779 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 1: And then Justin came and the three of us are 780 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 1: out one night and we ran into Joey randomly, and 781 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 1: I knew Joey. Joey is the only one of them 782 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: that I knew prior because we worked at Universal Studios 783 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 1: together and uh, I knew Joey and we're like, dude, 784 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,319 Speaker 1: you know, we're looking for a band, you know, can 785 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,360 Speaker 1: you do it? And he's like, yep, I'm in because 786 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:21,800 Speaker 1: he was in this group in high school called the 787 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: Big Guys with the Luis Fonzi Oh yeah, yeah, which 788 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: was in and they were like this. They were like 789 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 1: this high school band. It's so weird to see Fonzie, 790 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: you know, doing so much now. And his brother John 791 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: is amazing too because his brother John was in my group. 792 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 1: But that's I'll just make the story really long, but um, 793 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: but yeah, So then Joey got in the band and 794 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: he brought in this kid, Jason, and that's how we 795 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 1: got the name because uh, Justin's mom was looking at 796 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,320 Speaker 1: all our names and Justin, Chris, Joey, Jason, and j C. 797 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 1: The last letter all spells in sync, and that's how 798 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: we got our name. And then um, the night we 799 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 1: were signing the deal, Jason quit left and it took 800 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,879 Speaker 1: us a year to find Lance and night you were signing, yeah, 801 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 1: we ended up signing the next day, just the four 802 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: of us. But we needed a base, like we knew 803 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 1: we needed a base. You had. You know, Joey was 804 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,919 Speaker 1: the lowest singer. And Joey's a good baritone, but he's 805 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 1: no base and we had no low end. And I 806 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,399 Speaker 1: remember when Lance came over to the house and we're 807 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 1: like his vocal. Our vocal coach was like, we think 808 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 1: we like him, and he was in there and Justin 809 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,280 Speaker 1: and I were listening in the door, just like high 810 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,240 Speaker 1: five because Lance just kept going lower and lower and lower, 811 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: and I was like, man, this is unbelievable. So when 812 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,840 Speaker 1: you guys get together and when Lance finally comes in, 813 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 1: had you decided how you wanted to present yourselves or 814 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,359 Speaker 1: you were going to or are you still going we're 815 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 1: a pure vocal group? Because when did the rest come in? 816 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,279 Speaker 1: The dancing the stage we call it stage. But I 817 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 1: think I think that was slowly, you know, weeded into 818 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: what we were doing. I mean, I think at some 819 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: point we had to realize that we couldn't just be 820 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 1: an acapella group doing what we did. You know, we 821 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 1: wanted up tempo songs, and acapella up tempo you can't 822 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 1: really dance to. It's it's more of you know, listening. 823 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,760 Speaker 1: But um, you know, then we just kind of we started, 824 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: uh Justin and j C had been writing some tracks 825 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 1: and uh, our vocal coach who was actually really big 826 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: in Nashville, Like, I I've running to people all the 827 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,719 Speaker 1: time now that that knew her, Robin Wiley. Um, she 828 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,840 Speaker 1: was real intricate in helping us with our sound because 829 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,799 Speaker 1: she knew right away. Like we were like, oh well, 830 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,359 Speaker 1: Chris will sing the high stuff, and Lance will sing 831 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,840 Speaker 1: the low stuff, and Joe will sing the middle stuff, 832 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 1: and Justin j C will do the leads. But she 833 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 1: really kind of you know, formed our sound and and 834 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: her arrangements and and things. She wrote. One of my 835 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,840 Speaker 1: favorite songs we ever did to this day was a 836 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 1: song called I Thought She Knew and it was I mean, 837 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 1: it was all her arrangement, and it was just so 838 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: intricate and so unbelievable, and it was so fun to 839 00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,359 Speaker 1: do because here I've got four other guys that are 840 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 1: talented enough to know parts. And that's that's a big thing. 841 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,360 Speaker 1: Like there's so many times you'll start singing something, everybody 842 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: jumps on whatever you're singing, you know, but to sing 843 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,760 Speaker 1: your own part, even when it's rubbing or doing whatever, 844 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 1: it's like, it's it was it was really cool we 845 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 1: used to find anywhere we could sing and just sing together. 846 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: And then who goes we should take this overseas first? 847 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: Well that was Lou was always involved. Like Lou was 848 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 1: involved in that at that time. As soon as Justin 849 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 1: and JC came down, Lou was like, all right, I 850 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 1: can be involved. Because even before, like I said, when 851 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: I was calling Justin's mom, Lu said, don't Sam involved, 852 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 1: And I'm like why, why is that? Because he didn't 853 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 1: want to upset Backstreet Boys and and his whole company, 854 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: who Backstreet was their baby. He didn't want to go 855 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 1: to them and go, well, I got another one. So 856 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,720 Speaker 1: they didn't know you guys were forming and you started 857 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 1: to actually be No, they didn't know. I think the 858 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 1: guys kind of new because you know, I'd be at Brian's, 859 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,880 Speaker 1: I'd be at Lou's house and you know, talking business, 860 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,799 Speaker 1: somebody be leaving Brian or somebody be coming in, and 861 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 1: they're always like what is he doing? Like why is 862 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: he here? What do they you know? What's the what's 863 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,359 Speaker 1: the deal on them? And and that's again why I said, 864 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 1: it really suck for them, like they were treated unfairly 865 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: in the whole situation because it's not our fault here. 866 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: We are. We just we just wanted to work, you know, 867 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 1: we just wanted to be a band. And they're the 868 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 1: ones that were like getting like the rug pulled out 869 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 1: from under him by him going by the way, I 870 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,439 Speaker 1: got another one just in case. Did that ever happen 871 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 1: to you guys? Oh? I mean, but but the difference 872 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,279 Speaker 1: is we knew he was doing it. You know. It 873 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: was like we we already assumed that's who Lou was, 874 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: that's what he's gonna do. I mean, it happened like 875 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 1: thirty times for us, you know, and it was just 876 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 1: like we just we just with each other. We just 877 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 1: have to say, listen, we're just gonna work. We have 878 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 1: to work a thousand times harder, you know, you have to. 879 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 1: We have to. We had to work a thousand times 880 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 1: harder just to be equal, you know. And that was 881 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 1: great because again it goes back to that drive we 882 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 1: were talking about it. It gave us our drive. And 883 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,799 Speaker 1: what are people back home, like mom and Dad, they're there, 884 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 1: there's there's split at this part, and so are they 885 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: encouraging you to continue pursuing music where let's be honest, 886 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 1: if you're gonna pursue music, there's not a lot there 887 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 1: people who do it. It's just it's hard to pay 888 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 1: the bill as much less thrive. My family has always 889 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,520 Speaker 1: been supportive. I think the fact that you know, they 890 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 1: had nothing, like I didn't have anything else, Like I 891 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: wasn't like I'm gonna be a zoologist or you know, 892 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,479 Speaker 1: a marine biologists or something. It was like, I'm doing 893 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,960 Speaker 1: this if it works. And you know, my family is like, 894 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,880 Speaker 1: if it works, great, They're not going don't do this, 895 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,920 Speaker 1: go find a job. And I had three jobs, so 896 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 1: they're like, you know, we're they're all behind, and they 897 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,920 Speaker 1: were really really encouraging, and it was it was a 898 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,800 Speaker 1: lot of a lot of um. It felt good because 899 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,919 Speaker 1: you know, I knew I had that safety net. When 900 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: did you feel like you were going to be able 901 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: to pay the bills singing? Uh? Well, I mean after 902 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,240 Speaker 1: the first gig I ever did, I got like fifty 903 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 1: bucks or something playing acoustic guitar and I'm like, man, 904 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,360 Speaker 1: this is unbelievable. I can't believe I just got paid 905 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,919 Speaker 1: for doing music. And you know, we got a chet 906 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,120 Speaker 1: X And did you get a signing bonus when you 907 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: guys all signed? And think when you did the four 908 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 1: of you. Oh no, oh no, there was there. There 909 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 1: was so much. Someday when the After School Special movie 910 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,200 Speaker 1: or whatever the ABC movie is out on us, there 911 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:17,400 Speaker 1: will be the first check presentation, which is hilarious because 912 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: we've been on tour for I want to say, going 913 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,399 Speaker 1: on two years. Maybe we've been opening acts, We've done 914 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 1: countless radio shows, all these things, and are our label 915 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,759 Speaker 1: was giving us checks. And they got off these big 916 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,279 Speaker 1: checks and you know, little gold records and everything, and 917 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,240 Speaker 1: they brought out these checks for like ten grand each 918 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 1: and Justin and I are like high five in each other, 919 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 1: like I've never even seen that much money in my life. 920 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:43,840 Speaker 1: This is the best day. And j C is like, 921 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,359 Speaker 1: hold on a minute, you know this, something's not right here. 922 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 1: We've been working for two years. And I looked at 923 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,560 Speaker 1: him like, dude, why are you being a Debbie Downer? 924 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,760 Speaker 1: And he's like, how much money did you make bussing 925 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,880 Speaker 1: tables at the Outback? And I was like, I don't know, 926 00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,759 Speaker 1: twenty thou a year? He goes exactly. I was like, uh, 927 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 1: was j C? That guy at the Great Book jay C? Smart? 928 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,200 Speaker 1: J C? J C knows his stuff and his uncle's 929 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,880 Speaker 1: a lawyer, and and you know, his family's really into that, 930 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 1: so j j C j C wouldn't let it. Jac 931 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,279 Speaker 1: didn't let it get by, and we let it fly 932 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 1: right by us. But j C j C catches that 933 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,200 Speaker 1: is it because there's so much going on that the 934 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,799 Speaker 1: tornado is happening. Oh yeah, yeah for sure. I mean 935 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,320 Speaker 1: we had you know, we had no time to ourselves. 936 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 1: There was no time to even think about things. There 937 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 1: was no time to think that. When we signed our 938 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,880 Speaker 1: first record contract. Um Lance wasn't in it yet, so 939 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,560 Speaker 1: it was it was just the four of us, but 940 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 1: we signed it. We signed our contract. Five people, you know, me, justin, 941 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,960 Speaker 1: j C, Joey and Louke Proman. He was the fifth 942 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 1: member signed on our record. And and um, I just 943 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,480 Speaker 1: heard somebody talking about this the other day. You know, 944 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,279 Speaker 1: it's it's your first record, your first contract. You know 945 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,640 Speaker 1: you're gonna get screwed. But that was like proper. Do 946 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,400 Speaker 1: you know how many how many records you had to 947 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,640 Speaker 1: give in that first deal because now standards five I 948 00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,680 Speaker 1: think it was five, Yeah, it was five. It didn't matter. 949 00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,160 Speaker 1: We got out of it. I mean it was we 950 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 1: broke the contract because we just went and signed with Jive. 951 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,359 Speaker 1: We they signed us, ended up signed us to our CIA. 952 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,400 Speaker 1: It was after our first big record in the States 953 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,280 Speaker 1: came out, and right before our huge record, we actually 954 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,439 Speaker 1: went over to Jive because we broke at the very 955 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:17,280 Speaker 1: beginning because we signed the six of us then signed 956 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:21,800 Speaker 1: to Lou. Lou signed us to b MG in Germany. 957 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,840 Speaker 1: BMG signed us to our c A in the States. 958 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,800 Speaker 1: So we broke it off with Lou. We broke the 959 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,719 Speaker 1: whole chain and it was like we had to start 960 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,200 Speaker 1: all over. When you say the big record, no strengths 961 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:37,680 Speaker 1: and we're about to have an anniversary on that twenty Yeah, 962 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,480 Speaker 1: it's insane. How I remember I was working on pop 963 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:45,360 Speaker 1: radio when the record came out, nineteen years old, and 964 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,319 Speaker 1: I remember the record coming out and I remember just 965 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,960 Speaker 1: everybody going to buy it. It It might actually still be 966 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,120 Speaker 1: the record for most. No, it just was just broken 967 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,080 Speaker 1: three years ago. Adele really, but it lasted that long 968 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,200 Speaker 1: seventeen years, lasted a long time. It's old. You may 969 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 1: help to point something million in a week now. I 970 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:12,440 Speaker 1: think it was one point one point three or one 971 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,880 Speaker 1: point four the first day, which was you know, I 972 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,520 Speaker 1: mean it's again, it goes back to it just happened 973 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,440 Speaker 1: to be our market and those our market buy CDs 974 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,880 Speaker 1: at the time. So that's one of those records that, like, 975 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,600 Speaker 1: you know, we didn't sell as many vinyl as. But 976 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,040 Speaker 1: to be fair, did you ever read Outliers many chance? Okay, 977 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,760 Speaker 1: there's a whole chapter and Outliers where they talk about 978 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,000 Speaker 1: people like a Bill Gates who happened to be someone 979 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,400 Speaker 1: interested in computers in a city where they had a 980 00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,799 Speaker 1: computer at a time when a computer. So much of 981 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:51,040 Speaker 1: life circumstance based on um timing and the people willing 982 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,759 Speaker 1: to do the work timing circumstance. Person. So I don't 983 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,919 Speaker 1: think that it's fair to the work that you guys 984 00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,320 Speaker 1: did to go well. It's only because because somebody was 985 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,879 Speaker 1: gonna do that right well. And also too, you know 986 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,359 Speaker 1: the way the way you say it like that too, 987 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,720 Speaker 1: there was a lot of like with us, we knew, 988 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,120 Speaker 1: like we knew that it was gonna be a lot 989 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,200 Speaker 1: of luck, a lot of timing. No matter what we did, 990 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:15,879 Speaker 1: there were a lot of other things had to fall 991 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:20,720 Speaker 1: into place. All we could do was work and we rehearsed. 992 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,680 Speaker 1: I mean, we had we knew every dance move, every 993 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,360 Speaker 1: song up and down, back and forwards. We knew every 994 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,600 Speaker 1: scenario about you know what if it's this, you know, 995 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,480 Speaker 1: it's like we just we were so prepared because you know, um, 996 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,920 Speaker 1: I don't remember the exact saying, but it's like, you know, 997 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:43,359 Speaker 1: the prep when preparation meets opportunity, Yeah, that's that's luck. 998 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,080 Speaker 1: And so we were like, we're going to be the 999 00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,400 Speaker 1: most prepared on the planet, Like we're gonna if if 1000 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,560 Speaker 1: we get one little shot, we're gonna blow that shot 1001 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,759 Speaker 1: up and and do do the best we camp what 1002 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,279 Speaker 1: would be the luckiest moment where you look back and go, 1003 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,880 Speaker 1: holy crap, that wouldn't happen. I don't know the Disney special. 1004 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,319 Speaker 1: I think how you got honor how how I blew 1005 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,799 Speaker 1: up or a little of both, a little of both, 1006 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,160 Speaker 1: because I think Backstreet got offered the Disney special and 1007 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,000 Speaker 1: turned it down. And so that's when we had Johnny 1008 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,359 Speaker 1: right at the time too, who's I think he's kind 1009 00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,800 Speaker 1: of managing them, and um, he's like, you know, we 1010 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,440 Speaker 1: got offered this Disney special, and we're like, you know, 1011 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,959 Speaker 1: Disney specials weren't this thing yet. It was just like, oh, 1012 00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,680 Speaker 1: well we'll do it. You know, of course, we'll try anything. 1013 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,759 Speaker 1: And once we did it, and it just I mean, 1014 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:29,120 Speaker 1: it exploded. It was. It was. It was the moment 1015 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,560 Speaker 1: we did stuff overseas. We were over there touring with people. 1016 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,200 Speaker 1: We did our own tour over there. We had you know, 1017 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:37,800 Speaker 1: shows over there, and we'd go over there and it 1018 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:42,359 Speaker 1: would be mayhem and stuff. But honestly, in Europe, a 1019 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,080 Speaker 1: lot of our beginning stages was kids would come up 1020 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:46,479 Speaker 1: to us all the time and be like, the only 1021 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,200 Speaker 1: we're here, the only reason we're here listening to you 1022 00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,520 Speaker 1: guys is because the Backstreet Boys aren't here, And that 1023 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,360 Speaker 1: was of our Our fans would say that, you know, 1024 00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:01,040 Speaker 1: of our fans were in sync. Fans were Backstreet fans 1025 00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,640 Speaker 1: that were knew that Backstreet wasn't coming to their town 1026 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,520 Speaker 1: for another two years or something, so they came out 1027 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,560 Speaker 1: to see us. So that was, you know, it took 1028 00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,600 Speaker 1: a while for us to get out of their shadow. 1029 00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,560 Speaker 1: When they would bring you, guys songs all through your career, 1030 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,600 Speaker 1: what was the song that you heard where you were like, 1031 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:20,759 Speaker 1: holy crap, that's a great freaking song. Uh I love 1032 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,960 Speaker 1: Bye Bye Bye. I knew that was going to be 1033 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:27,320 Speaker 1: a big one. What did that demo sound like? Um? 1034 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:32,000 Speaker 1: Similar production? When thinking back, some music guy singing it 1035 00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,440 Speaker 1: was I want to say it might have been, might 1036 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,719 Speaker 1: have been Max, Max, might have been at Max has 1037 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,480 Speaker 1: got a Max is hilarious. Max Martin, who produced a 1038 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,920 Speaker 1: lot of our you know, Dennis Pop, did our first 1039 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,960 Speaker 1: couple of hits, and there was this whole collective in Sweden, 1040 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,960 Speaker 1: this this group share on studios and they did the 1041 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:57,640 Speaker 1: big Backstreet hits. Um. But Max Max is He's something. Man, 1042 00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:02,480 Speaker 1: He's just he's just fun to amazingly sick talented guy. 1043 00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,200 Speaker 1: I really think Max is a right brain guy. The 1044 00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,759 Speaker 1: way he looks at music, it's I think he looks 1045 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,600 Speaker 1: at it as zeros and ones because how he knows, 1046 00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,960 Speaker 1: you know, the intricacies and the things that he puts 1047 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,440 Speaker 1: into it. It almost seems right brain to me. It doesn't. 1048 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:18,960 Speaker 1: He still has a lot of you know, creativity. I'm 1049 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,040 Speaker 1: not taking that away from him, but it just seems 1050 00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:25,000 Speaker 1: like he has such a grasp on music itself that 1051 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,880 Speaker 1: it seems right brain. But he always when he's singing 1052 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:29,879 Speaker 1: and stuff, it's just it makes me laugh. He's got 1053 00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,040 Speaker 1: this little, you know, the sweetest voice, and especially when 1054 00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,399 Speaker 1: he's trying to, you know, tell justin, hey do this, 1055 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,799 Speaker 1: you know, and Justin's like, okay, I'll do what you 1056 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,919 Speaker 1: were trying to do. I was looking at the track 1057 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,840 Speaker 1: list from No No Strength attached the four massive singles 1058 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,440 Speaker 1: Bye Bye Bye, It's gonna be me. Well this, I 1059 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,560 Speaker 1: promise you when I look back at my because I 1060 00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,600 Speaker 1: was much more. First of all, I was a dude, 1061 00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,840 Speaker 1: so I was but stuff. But I loved in sync 1062 00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,120 Speaker 1: more than the Backstreet Boys because of the ballads. I 1063 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,279 Speaker 1: just slow songs anyway, like wow, that's always normally I 1064 00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,719 Speaker 1: thought it would because the up tempos always the slow 1065 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,719 Speaker 1: stuff like this I promised, which by the way, was 1066 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,719 Speaker 1: not from No Strength, but this, I promise you. God 1067 00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,959 Speaker 1: must spend a little more time on you. Um dried 1068 00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,719 Speaker 1: myself crazy. That I dropped myself crazy video was one 1069 00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,640 Speaker 1: of my favorite favorite videos that you guys did. My 1070 00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,880 Speaker 1: wife hates that one my girlfriends in the video. I 1071 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,239 Speaker 1: probably wouldn't like it either. Yeah, but I think that's 1072 00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,600 Speaker 1: why I was a big fan of you. Get Gone 1073 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:36,719 Speaker 1: was like and Gone slower than amid not quite about 1074 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,799 Speaker 1: It's it's kind of in that that, but I think 1075 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,920 Speaker 1: this is possibly one of my favorite songs. Which is 1076 00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,239 Speaker 1: an interesting story and you can tell me if this 1077 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,400 Speaker 1: is true or not that it was written from Michael Jackson, 1078 00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,080 Speaker 1: just orther from Michael Jackson. And then they said ended 1079 00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,080 Speaker 1: up saying no. And then you guys took it. And 1080 00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,680 Speaker 1: did you guys get to write a lot? Did you 1081 00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,120 Speaker 1: try to write? Or were used on the road too 1082 00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:57,600 Speaker 1: much working that there wasn't time to hop in a 1083 00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,920 Speaker 1: room and try to We tried, I mean I tried, 1084 00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,960 Speaker 1: you know, I had I think one or two songs, 1085 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:04,600 Speaker 1: and I think they were nice enough to put them 1086 00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,040 Speaker 1: on our European albums or something. But um, you know, 1087 00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:12,120 Speaker 1: I tried. Justin did a great job at j C 1088 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,359 Speaker 1: is a great writer as well, and uh, I mean, yeah, 1089 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,440 Speaker 1: it was. It was we'd have to bring stuff on 1090 00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,000 Speaker 1: the road with us, Like I remember, I still have 1091 00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,239 Speaker 1: a rolling rack on the road, and I'd bring it 1092 00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,080 Speaker 1: up to my hotel room. Had and that this is 1093 00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:25,719 Speaker 1: this is how old school, like had an mp C 1094 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,640 Speaker 1: and all that stuff in it, and you know, I'd 1095 00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,279 Speaker 1: roll up there and record little ideas or whatever we had. 1096 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,759 Speaker 1: And and and at the time, you know, now we 1097 00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:35,799 Speaker 1: could do a whole record, you know, on the road, 1098 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,359 Speaker 1: but at the time it's like I gotta do an 1099 00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,759 Speaker 1: idea at the right on the road because you'd have 1100 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,560 Speaker 1: to go to a studio to record the actual song. 1101 00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,960 Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, as as often as we could, you know, 1102 00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,239 Speaker 1: we'd try to work and and try to get songs done. 1103 00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:49,960 Speaker 1: But and there were always a lot of songs out 1104 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,719 Speaker 1: there that people were offering to us as well. So 1105 00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,960 Speaker 1: when did it become the most mayhem for you to 1106 00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:01,040 Speaker 1: even go to out back? You mean, uh, the popularity 1107 00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,000 Speaker 1: was people would and you definitely had a distinct look 1108 00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,560 Speaker 1: the braids and so would you hide your hair? Like 1109 00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,799 Speaker 1: what what what precautions were you taking? How crazy did 1110 00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,480 Speaker 1: it get? Um actually, like you know, with the braids 1111 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,359 Speaker 1: and stuff. I don't even know if I went out 1112 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,719 Speaker 1: that much. I mean, if I did, it was to 1113 00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,360 Speaker 1: a club where we had you know, security and you 1114 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,640 Speaker 1: know you're in a section and all this stuff. Like 1115 00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,279 Speaker 1: it's definitely not like now where you know, I go 1116 00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,560 Speaker 1: do whatever I want and not worry about anything. But 1117 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,560 Speaker 1: you know, there there was a time where, you know, 1118 00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:38,279 Speaker 1: especially if if we were in town playing a show. Um, 1119 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:39,960 Speaker 1: you know, I tried to go to a mall or 1120 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,239 Speaker 1: something and we'd have to get escorted out a side 1121 00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:46,719 Speaker 1: door because it just became insane and um, you know so, 1122 00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:51,280 Speaker 1: but but it was always during the band, like it wasn't. 1123 00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,000 Speaker 1: I think the longest break we ever had was, you know, 1124 00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,560 Speaker 1: maybe a couple of weeks where we had they said, 1125 00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,120 Speaker 1: go ahead, take a little time off, and a couple 1126 00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,640 Speaker 1: of weeks it was couple of weeks. We're like, woh wow, 1127 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,160 Speaker 1: what happened. Was ever a time where one of the 1128 00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:05,760 Speaker 1: guys like, you know, I don't want to do this anymore. 1129 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,719 Speaker 1: You don't have to say who? And you were like 1130 00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,319 Speaker 1: you had to like talk to each other through it 1131 00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,920 Speaker 1: because I would assume at some point, yeah, not really. No. 1132 00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,120 Speaker 1: We we loved doing what we did, and you know, 1133 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,719 Speaker 1: and and the only reason um, I think Justin you know, 1134 00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,000 Speaker 1: started doing his stuff was because we had taken a break. 1135 00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,319 Speaker 1: And then you know, management was like, we're gonna take 1136 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,680 Speaker 1: some time off for a while. You know, let's let's 1137 00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,520 Speaker 1: let us set it in. Justin Justin's workaholic. He's like 1138 00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,759 Speaker 1: you you know, he just doesn't stop. He went in 1139 00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,920 Speaker 1: and and did a records like I'm not gonna, you know, 1140 00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,440 Speaker 1: take a break. I'm gonna keep going. You know, you 1141 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,040 Speaker 1: have the greatest Christmas song of our lifetime. What about 1142 00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,319 Speaker 1: Ryan Carrey I prefer I've heard this over that this 1143 00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,440 Speaker 1: is a good Christmas song. Argue, Okay, I'll say this. 1144 00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:49,359 Speaker 1: Arguably our generation is great this Christmas. Yeah. Yeah, it's 1145 00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,799 Speaker 1: pretty cool that it's an original Christmas song too, And 1146 00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,359 Speaker 1: now like, um, you know, people are covering it, which 1147 00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,200 Speaker 1: is so cool. I'm just like, wow, that's pretty cool. 1148 00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,600 Speaker 1: We have an original, Like we're we're old school. When 1149 00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,200 Speaker 1: people think about somebody being this famous and having all 1150 00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:05,880 Speaker 1: the success that you guys have, they just they picture 1151 00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,600 Speaker 1: you're making two hundred million dollars, like a billion dollars. 1152 00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,880 Speaker 1: They do you feel like there's a finite amount of 1153 00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:16,279 Speaker 1: money that we were making. It wasn't. It wasn't. It 1154 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,960 Speaker 1: wasn't open ended with heavy back end. Uh no, no, 1155 00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,640 Speaker 1: because you got you gotta remember too, there weren't the 1156 00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,080 Speaker 1: avenues as there are now, Like you know, back then, 1157 00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,640 Speaker 1: it was like you know, you we made our money 1158 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,800 Speaker 1: off of record sales, off of merchandise, and off of touring. 1159 00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,400 Speaker 1: You know, bands today don't make their money off of 1160 00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,040 Speaker 1: record sales, and and you know they're they're getting it 1161 00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,040 Speaker 1: all through these three sixty deals and all this stuff 1162 00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,680 Speaker 1: like that. But at the same time, their social media's 1163 00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,240 Speaker 1: are huge, and you know, you know, millions and millions 1164 00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,880 Speaker 1: of followers gets you, you know, sponsors get you people, 1165 00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,719 Speaker 1: and and that's how they make their money, you know, 1166 00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,279 Speaker 1: whether or not it's for what they're doing, it's for 1167 00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,200 Speaker 1: who's paying attention to them and how many eyes we 1168 00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,640 Speaker 1: can get on our product, you know, get you know 1169 00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:02,839 Speaker 1: money that way. And I'm not knocking it by any means. 1170 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,239 Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's amazing. And you know, 1171 00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,319 Speaker 1: same thing with all the shows that are out now. 1172 00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,560 Speaker 1: I've talked about those before, like The Voice and American Idol, 1173 00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:14,200 Speaker 1: Like what a great opportunity it is for America and 1174 00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,200 Speaker 1: for us to actually find talent again. You know, they're 1175 00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,239 Speaker 1: not just not just some guys singing that. You know, 1176 00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,920 Speaker 1: somebody stumbles across and says, hey, I just happened to 1177 00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,600 Speaker 1: be here. You're pretty good. Let's sign you and see 1178 00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,040 Speaker 1: what happens. It's it's the best of the best. And 1179 00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,120 Speaker 1: and you know, these kids that come off of they 1180 00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:34,280 Speaker 1: are just unbelievable. Yeah. I tell the kids an American 1181 00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,319 Speaker 1: Idol a lot that because some of them will come 1182 00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:38,400 Speaker 1: on to go I don't know if I want to 1183 00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,680 Speaker 1: do this, And I'm like, do what be seen by 1184 00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,719 Speaker 1: nine million people a night where everything is so oversaturated 1185 00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:45,960 Speaker 1: everywhere that everybody is just it's hard to be seen 1186 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,719 Speaker 1: at all because there's so many people being saying I 1187 00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,560 Speaker 1: think too. I think what's getting in their heads though, 1188 00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,480 Speaker 1: is that they're gonna they're not making what they think 1189 00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,080 Speaker 1: they should make off Like I think, don't the American 1190 00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:56,879 Speaker 1: Idol people and stuff, they take a lot of their 1191 00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:02,960 Speaker 1: more they did more so now that probably scared people 1192 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:04,719 Speaker 1: off of it. Like that's probably what it was that 1193 00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,640 Speaker 1: they're like, Man, I want to I want control of 1194 00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,480 Speaker 1: what I do and I don't want to be an 1195 00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,200 Speaker 1: American Idol kid that wins and then get shelved. You know. 1196 00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:13,840 Speaker 1: I want to use that platform and actually do something, 1197 00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:15,640 Speaker 1: which is you know, great that they're doing it. But 1198 00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:17,680 Speaker 1: some of them, you know, have come out of there. 1199 00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Kelly clarkson Geez or even like 1200 00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,880 Speaker 1: a Gabby Barrett who was my first season three years 1201 00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,920 Speaker 1: ago on that show. You know, she came out and 1202 00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:29,760 Speaker 1: and what I think, if I'm hopefully'm speaking right here there, 1203 00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,120 Speaker 1: they can like two or three of them, they can 1204 00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:33,640 Speaker 1: like take and go, hey, we'd like to sign you. 1205 00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,240 Speaker 1: I think they only have rights to one or two 1206 00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,520 Speaker 1: of them. Then they can offer they can offer the 1207 00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,120 Speaker 1: eleventh place person to them, but they don't have to 1208 00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,800 Speaker 1: take it right right, That's good and it's not as 1209 00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,720 Speaker 1: iron clad like you have to do everything. What great 1210 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,439 Speaker 1: promotion too, I mean even and that's one pace, yeah, 1211 00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,160 Speaker 1: even even get ten place. It's like, you know, wow, 1212 00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,160 Speaker 1: you run National TV one of the biggest shows, American 1213 00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,000 Speaker 1: Idol for the longest times, you know, with the v show, 1214 00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,440 Speaker 1: and then the other shows come out and you know, 1215 00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,200 Speaker 1: now the still the voice all these shows are um 1216 00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,760 Speaker 1: even Massinger, which is just a platform. Yeah, you can 1217 00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,480 Speaker 1: just be on there, you can be anywhere that a 1218 00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,760 Speaker 1: bunch of eyeballs will see you. That's a win. It's 1219 00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,280 Speaker 1: what you do with those eyeballs because now you're trying 1220 00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:17,080 Speaker 1: to create your fan base, like your money is creating 1221 00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:20,720 Speaker 1: a niche, super serving them and letting other people come 1222 00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:22,800 Speaker 1: into your niche, and then it's not a niche anymore. 1223 00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,280 Speaker 1: The most successful distinct artists started as a super niche 1224 00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:31,680 Speaker 1: and they were different, and you're so different, but people 1225 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,240 Speaker 1: start to see what you're doing and be into it 1226 00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,120 Speaker 1: that so many people follow it. Billie Eilish for example, 1227 00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,720 Speaker 1: she was just making weirdo songs to you. I remember 1228 00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,120 Speaker 1: talking about on a ratio a couple of years ago, 1229 00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,960 Speaker 1: was like, she is going to be so big, and 1230 00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:47,680 Speaker 1: now we went from like a niche, dark sounding young 1231 00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,000 Speaker 1: girl that's what people want to sound like. And it 1232 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,040 Speaker 1: happens in country music to where these artists will be 1233 00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,240 Speaker 1: so different that people go that will never work, But 1234 00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,960 Speaker 1: when they blow up, they create a whole lane that 1235 00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,080 Speaker 1: everyone then gets behind. That It's like you were talking 1236 00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,919 Speaker 1: about when Backstreet and you Guy and all these other 1237 00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,720 Speaker 1: pearlman was doing, and what what happened to pop music? 1238 00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,200 Speaker 1: I mean, look, because you know when us in back 1239 00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,080 Speaker 1: Street came out, Brittany'd come out, and Christina had come out, 1240 00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,880 Speaker 1: it was almost always like they were. They were coming 1241 00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,760 Speaker 1: out in groups, you know, like it was us in Backstreet. 1242 00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,800 Speaker 1: It was even ninety degrees to throw them in and uh, 1243 00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,720 Speaker 1: you know Christina and Brittany, and it was just like 1244 00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:30,240 Speaker 1: this thing because then you had the the um, the 1245 00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:34,160 Speaker 1: actress what's her name she's on I can't think of 1246 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,560 Speaker 1: it right now, but you've got like all these all 1247 00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,640 Speaker 1: this pop music and all this sound and all the 1248 00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,240 Speaker 1: all the hype behind what it's doing. I mean Orlando 1249 00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:46,920 Speaker 1: Orlando was hilarious because we all came from Orlando. You know, 1250 00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,080 Speaker 1: back Street was in Orlando, we were living in Orlando, 1251 00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,960 Speaker 1: and um here we'd all go downtown. It was the 1252 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,560 Speaker 1: same time all the wake boarders started to get popular too. 1253 00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:56,840 Speaker 1: So here we are in this little town where we'd 1254 00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,160 Speaker 1: always gone out and done stuff like this, and now 1255 00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,840 Speaker 1: suddenly came this little microcosm and this, oh man, where's 1256 01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,320 Speaker 1: the next pop actor? Who are we signing here? And 1257 01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,920 Speaker 1: like friends of ours would be like getting record deals 1258 01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,640 Speaker 1: or this guy that we know that works that always 1259 01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,440 Speaker 1: just as a hanger on or is like, yeah, I 1260 01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,200 Speaker 1: just got a record deal. You know. It's it's crazy 1261 01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,800 Speaker 1: just the way it all all came out like that, 1262 01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,680 Speaker 1: and to be in in in that moment and to 1263 01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:22,720 Speaker 1: be there and look back on it, like you imagine 1264 01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,480 Speaker 1: where if you were in Seattle during the beginning of grunge, 1265 01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,040 Speaker 1: right and you're going to see some of these bands 1266 01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,800 Speaker 1: play in these little, tiny, you know, clubs or whatever, 1267 01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,600 Speaker 1: knowing that this is gonna be huge, and then suddenly 1268 01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,640 Speaker 1: boom it becomes this microcos everybody, what's the next band 1269 01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,520 Speaker 1: out of Seattle? Where some band in Seattle was probably 1270 01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,640 Speaker 1: sitting there, you know, making eight dollars and sucking and 1271 01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,840 Speaker 1: getting a record deal because they were around at the 1272 01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,120 Speaker 1: right time and that That's kind of what it was 1273 01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:49,880 Speaker 1: like with us. I mean, we were the band that sucked. 1274 01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,680 Speaker 1: So I was like, so what do you do? Because 1275 01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,000 Speaker 1: I see you have a show coming up in Tulsa. Yeah, 1276 01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:56,840 Speaker 1: it's funny. When you were talking about that on the 1277 01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,480 Speaker 1: radio too, I was like, man, I only do like 1278 01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:00,520 Speaker 1: one or two of those a year. I buddies of 1279 01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,959 Speaker 1: mine I golfed with the other day and they were like, dude, 1280 01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,040 Speaker 1: we heard you on the Bobby Bones Show. You said 1281 01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:09,360 Speaker 1: you were doing nothing this week. I was like, I'm 1282 01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:11,600 Speaker 1: not really doing anything this week. There's like you're golfing 1283 01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,640 Speaker 1: with us today, and I'm like, that's that's something like 1284 01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,720 Speaker 1: you really, you know, talk about no I've got um 1285 01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,800 Speaker 1: Like this weekend, for instance, I go to I'm going 1286 01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:24,080 Speaker 1: to Ohio, I host a uh with Arnold Schwarzenegger. I 1287 01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,600 Speaker 1: do like the Arnold's Got Talent and then I do 1288 01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:28,640 Speaker 1: this miss teen Arnold over there. I've done it for 1289 01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,400 Speaker 1: like five years already, and it's a lot of funs, 1290 01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,720 Speaker 1: you know. Columbus so we get to go home and 1291 01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:37,320 Speaker 1: see in laws and um, I'm doing uh, I do 1292 01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,160 Speaker 1: this show called just started, This a t c K 1293 01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,800 Speaker 1: thing all the cool kids that um A J. From 1294 01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,080 Speaker 1: the Battery Boys also is a part of and we 1295 01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:49,080 Speaker 1: like switch Off. Um. You know, there's just a lot 1296 01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,840 Speaker 1: of I do. It's weird because like my schedule is 1297 01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,480 Speaker 1: like my schedule. It's not like I'm gonna post all 1298 01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,400 Speaker 1: these appearances and what I'm doing. It's just like it's 1299 01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,560 Speaker 1: just my schedule, like oh, I'm flying up and hosting 1300 01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,480 Speaker 1: this thing or or doing this. I don't think about, oh, well, 1301 01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:05,240 Speaker 1: maybe somebody would want to come out to that. I'm 1302 01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,560 Speaker 1: horrible with social I'm learning and learning to be better. 1303 01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:13,080 Speaker 1: Who is the most nineties celebrity that you were meeting? 1304 01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,880 Speaker 1: The most nine meaning man, you get it, the most 1305 01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:22,440 Speaker 1: nineties That would be tough because there was just so 1306 01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:26,560 Speaker 1: I mean you know that man, I don't even know. 1307 01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,960 Speaker 1: I mean I would almost say us, you know, or 1308 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,880 Speaker 1: like seeing each other, yeah, seeing seeing the other guys 1309 01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,520 Speaker 1: in our hair does and outfits, or or the Backstreet 1310 01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:39,800 Speaker 1: Boys or Brittany, Um man, I don't know, like, uh, 1311 01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,920 Speaker 1: it was lou Bega, Oh yeah, Mombo number five, number 1312 01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,160 Speaker 1: five good ones something like that there was. I mean, 1313 01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,240 Speaker 1: you know, we were all kind of it's weird because 1314 01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:49,720 Speaker 1: we were all around it, you know. Oh, No Mercy, 1315 01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:53,840 Speaker 1: remember I love those guys. Those guys are amazing guys. 1316 01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:58,400 Speaker 1: I love those guys. Um, they were just reproducing you 1317 01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:02,040 Speaker 1: guys like crazy. But well, No Mercy was before us, 1318 01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,800 Speaker 1: but no Mercy, but New Degrees was before us. But 1319 01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:09,440 Speaker 1: to us the fan, we know as first what blows 1320 01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,600 Speaker 1: up first? So no Mercy blew up. I mean they were. 1321 01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:14,840 Speaker 1: They were kind of dancy though they were like I 1322 01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:18,120 Speaker 1: think blow up is not fair because it wasn't. You 1323 01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:22,280 Speaker 1: guys didn't maybe as songs, maybe as as songs go 1324 01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,400 Speaker 1: they blew up, maybe not as the band like they weren't. 1325 01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:27,840 Speaker 1: You know you I couldn't name them all because I 1326 01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:29,920 Speaker 1: know him, but you probably couldn't name could you name 1327 01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:33,400 Speaker 1: any of the guys the guys, no, right, I mean, 1328 01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,320 Speaker 1: but that's my point, right, That's that's why I'm like 1329 01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,280 Speaker 1: with the New Kids, it was always you know, Joey 1330 01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:43,800 Speaker 1: Jordan's you know the other guy. I mean, I wasn't. 1331 01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:45,840 Speaker 1: I wasn't a big than Actually I actually opened up 1332 01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,960 Speaker 1: for them, which you a funny story. A funny story 1333 01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,360 Speaker 1: in Columbus, Ohio. UM I made the all Ohio State 1334 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:56,560 Speaker 1: Fair Youth Choir, and uh our choir was sitting on 1335 01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:00,400 Speaker 1: the sides of the stage during the show, and we 1336 01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,880 Speaker 1: started out like we sang first, and then the new 1337 01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:04,800 Speaker 1: kids performed and we got to sit like in our 1338 01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:09,400 Speaker 1: choir sacred off area and watch the thing. And I 1339 01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,840 Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, telling everybody like they're like, oh, 1340 01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:13,439 Speaker 1: you open up for the new kids. I'm like, man, 1341 01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:15,480 Speaker 1: I could dance better than new kids. And I was 1342 01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:17,760 Speaker 1: like doing flips off the trees and landing on my 1343 01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,200 Speaker 1: head and you know, break dance and doing I was like, man, 1344 01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,720 Speaker 1: I could beat the new kids whatever. Because I was like, you, 1345 01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:24,600 Speaker 1: you know, I was in high school. It's like boys, 1346 01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,200 Speaker 1: new kids were not the thing that you go, oh 1347 01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,800 Speaker 1: my god, new kids is that the best ever? You know, 1348 01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,479 Speaker 1: it was tough. I appreciate them. I think they're great guys, 1349 01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,520 Speaker 1: but when I was in high school, I couldn't. It 1350 01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,400 Speaker 1: was just weird for me, you know, to be listening 1351 01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:39,720 Speaker 1: to them all the time, which is why when people 1352 01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,200 Speaker 1: come out to me, they're like, hey, man, you know 1353 01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:42,760 Speaker 1: I didn't listen to you guys whatever. I'm like, hey, 1354 01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:46,439 Speaker 1: that's totally fine. I get it. Guys do that, right, 1355 01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:48,560 Speaker 1: because they'll do that to me, and I'm sure on 1356 01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:50,760 Speaker 1: on a lesser level of like, hey, listen, man, I 1357 01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:52,480 Speaker 1: don't even like your show, but my wife loves you. 1358 01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:54,600 Speaker 1: And I'm like, you don't have to say you don't 1359 01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,440 Speaker 1: like the show, just say hey, you mind if I 1360 01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:58,760 Speaker 1: get a picture, you can eliminate all. I don't think 1361 01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:00,960 Speaker 1: less of you. Actually I like you more, right right. 1362 01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:02,880 Speaker 1: I think I think it's just kind of for themselves, 1363 01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:04,800 Speaker 1: like or maybe it's one of their friends is looking. 1364 01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:06,880 Speaker 1: They're like, dude, you were all over Bobby Bones. I 1365 01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,560 Speaker 1: saw that. Man, you totally you totally think he's the 1366 01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:11,120 Speaker 1: coolest guy in the planet, don't you. You know he 1367 01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:13,360 Speaker 1: and I wish that wasn't Some of the people will 1368 01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,520 Speaker 1: make fun of right when you tell me about it. 1369 01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,080 Speaker 1: Try being in a boy band. How rough was that? 1370 01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:20,480 Speaker 1: Because at at times it was awesome? But if you're 1371 01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:23,560 Speaker 1: like around a very man because you're a sports guy, 1372 01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:28,360 Speaker 1: masculine guy, and in that world at times you could be. 1373 01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:31,120 Speaker 1: But you know what, though, I think I think that's 1374 01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:35,439 Speaker 1: another reason we kind of change things, because first of all, 1375 01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:39,320 Speaker 1: the word boy band wasn't. I don't hardly ever remember 1376 01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,840 Speaker 1: hearing it used when we were in a band, Like 1377 01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:44,880 Speaker 1: maybe it was a European thing, like because in Europe, 1378 01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,400 Speaker 1: you know, you talk about a bunch of boy bands, 1379 01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:51,040 Speaker 1: there was you know, tens and tens of boy bands 1380 01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:54,680 Speaker 1: over there. But um, I think I think we changed 1381 01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,720 Speaker 1: that a little bit, you know, Um with the dancing 1382 01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,800 Speaker 1: that we were doing, and you know, we were doing 1383 01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:04,480 Speaker 1: acrobat we were flipping, you know, we were I think 1384 01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,600 Speaker 1: it was like a it was. It was a little 1385 01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:08,439 Speaker 1: we tried to make it a little tougher, a little 1386 01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:12,280 Speaker 1: bit you know, more edgy, I guess, And hence that's 1387 01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,760 Speaker 1: why we came up with dirty pop and things like that. 1388 01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:16,720 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, we made it. We made it 1389 01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,160 Speaker 1: to where it was one of those things where well, 1390 01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:22,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't tell my friends I listened to it, 1391 01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:24,320 Speaker 1: but I listened to it, you know kind of thing. 1392 01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,160 Speaker 1: And I mean now it's now it's changed, because it's 1393 01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,520 Speaker 1: definitely changed for me. Like I don't mind running around 1394 01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:33,080 Speaker 1: saying I loved one direction. You know, there's so many 1395 01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,760 Speaker 1: great songs that they've had, you know, but I'm also 1396 01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,000 Speaker 1: a dad and a husband, now, and I'm not a 1397 01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:43,000 Speaker 1: teenage boy going I can't like one direction. They're like 1398 01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:46,000 Speaker 1: guys and I'm not into guys. It's and it's it's 1399 01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:47,960 Speaker 1: that funny going going back to what we were talking 1400 01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,200 Speaker 1: about earlier, about like the eighties and stuff like, look 1401 01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:52,560 Speaker 1: at those look at those hair bands, look at what 1402 01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,120 Speaker 1: they look like. They looked like girls, you know, all 1403 01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:58,720 Speaker 1: the hairspray, the makeup, everything like that. But every guy 1404 01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:02,160 Speaker 1: was like, dude, guys the coolest. I want to be 1405 01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:03,800 Speaker 1: like that when I grow up. I want to get 1406 01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:06,320 Speaker 1: all the girls like he does and everything like you're 1407 01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:10,200 Speaker 1: sure you're not saying she because you know you never know. Well, 1408 01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:12,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna end with this question that you get asked 1409 01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,000 Speaker 1: all the time, but if I don't, people get hit 1410 01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:17,480 Speaker 1: me up. Any talks about you guys getting back together, 1411 01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:21,800 Speaker 1: even for a thing after after your show, And I said, um, 1412 01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,720 Speaker 1: what I said, I've already gotten flak. But you know, 1413 01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,440 Speaker 1: there was there was a lot of talks for a 1414 01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:32,280 Speaker 1: lot of different things, but there's nothing in the future 1415 01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:35,800 Speaker 1: as of as of right now, you know, not saying there. 1416 01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:37,840 Speaker 1: There's so many fans out there that take every little 1417 01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,520 Speaker 1: thing we say, and if we say you know, well 1418 01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:43,000 Speaker 1: we're talking. Suddenly they run with it and you know 1419 01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,720 Speaker 1: they're getting back together. They're doing something. And then if 1420 01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:49,040 Speaker 1: like I say, you know, we're not doing anything, they're like, oh, Chris, 1421 01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,760 Speaker 1: I hate Chris. He said, they're never doing anything. Whatever. 1422 01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:56,400 Speaker 1: But you know it's I can guarantee you that someday, 1423 01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:59,880 Speaker 1: you know, we'll do something. There's nothing as of right 1424 01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:03,680 Speaker 1: now that we're all planning on, you know, doing something 1425 01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:05,840 Speaker 1: together as the five of us, the four of us 1426 01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:10,720 Speaker 1: or whatever. Was awesome. Cella was so much fun, and 1427 01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,439 Speaker 1: you know, it did give me for the first time 1428 01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:15,440 Speaker 1: I actually looked at it and said, you know, the 1429 01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:17,960 Speaker 1: four of us really aren't that bad like that. We could, 1430 01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:20,640 Speaker 1: you know, we could do it because you know, Justin's 1431 01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:24,040 Speaker 1: Justin's Justin just released trolls now to Justin's busy, Justin's 1432 01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,880 Speaker 1: got his own thing going, and it's it was never 1433 01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,639 Speaker 1: you know, it was never just Justin. Everybody always blames 1434 01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,599 Speaker 1: Justin or it's not true. It's it's not it's not 1435 01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:35,240 Speaker 1: just him, you know, it was it was all of us. 1436 01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,040 Speaker 1: We there was a point where a lot of us 1437 01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:39,519 Speaker 1: really couldn't get along that well and really not figure out. 1438 01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,439 Speaker 1: Now we get along greade again, you know, so are 1439 01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:45,040 Speaker 1: we gonna together? Yeah, we're probably gonna get together real shortly. 1440 01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:46,600 Speaker 1: You know, the five of us to hang out and 1441 01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:50,479 Speaker 1: be brothers because we're best friends and we're brothers. So 1442 01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:52,840 Speaker 1: getting the five us together is one thing. But it's 1443 01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:54,600 Speaker 1: tough to do that because even if the five is 1444 01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,759 Speaker 1: get together, somebody sees the five of us or somebody 1445 01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,200 Speaker 1: says something like, oh, I think they're doing something and 1446 01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:01,519 Speaker 1: if they're not, they're is teasing us or whatever. It's like, 1447 01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:04,920 Speaker 1: they're my brothers. When you go to Collective Soul later, 1448 01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:08,639 Speaker 1: is that who I'm going to see? It is right mine? Well, 1449 01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:10,880 Speaker 1: you know most of the songs, and I'm sure I will. 1450 01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:13,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure I will. I have. My buddy asked me 1451 01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,120 Speaker 1: to go and I was like I thought we were 1452 01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:18,680 Speaker 1: doing this tomorrow and I was like, yeah, I can go, 1453 01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:20,599 Speaker 1: and he said this and I'm like, oh, I can't go. 1454 01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:22,040 Speaker 1: And I was like, you know what, I want to 1455 01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:23,760 Speaker 1: go see Collective Soul. It's not gonna be till later 1456 01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:34,400 Speaker 1: and go. That's Shine too, and yeah, I think that 1457 01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:39,600 Speaker 1: the Red album. This is back when I used to 1458 01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:43,200 Speaker 1: do BMG or Columbia house and help me for it. Yeah, 1459 01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:47,320 Speaker 1: you get like eight c ds. We signed our first label, 1460 01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:49,040 Speaker 1: We signed to his BMG, and the first thing I 1461 01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:50,760 Speaker 1: said was, Hey, do I still owe you guys that 1462 01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:55,080 Speaker 1: six dollars for all those CDs? They would come in too, 1463 01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:56,960 Speaker 1: They would just I just get a stack of them, 1464 01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:59,960 Speaker 1: and my life was mad. The cheap ones were great, 1465 01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,320 Speaker 1: but it's when they started you forgot to say no, 1466 01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:05,919 Speaker 1: I don't want the monthly selection for thirty eight dollars 1467 01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:09,400 Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, what are they gonna do? I didn't 1468 01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:10,479 Speaker 1: know this at the top. I was going to jump 1469 01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:13,400 Speaker 1: in your house. I thought I was going some time. 1470 01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:14,880 Speaker 1: People would knock and I'll be like, oh my god, 1471 01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,559 Speaker 1: it's cops. And then after a while I was like, 1472 01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:18,960 Speaker 1: I guess I'm not going to jail. But then I 1473 01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,240 Speaker 1: where my credit was ruined. When I was like fourteen, 1474 01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:24,360 Speaker 1: I started worrying about that early. And then I remember 1475 01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:26,479 Speaker 1: someone saying, well, it takes seven years. And when I 1476 01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:29,639 Speaker 1: turned twenty one, I remember going, I'm clear of Colombia. 1477 01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:33,000 Speaker 1: Finally I can I can really let go and then 1478 01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:35,240 Speaker 1: live my life now. Well, listen, man, I appreciate I 1479 01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,679 Speaker 1: appreciate coming by. Yeah, thanks, I appreciate. Uh, you're cool, dude. 1480 01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:40,360 Speaker 1: You know you've lived around here for a while. They 1481 01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:41,920 Speaker 1: learning for a while. We never get really gonna know 1482 01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,400 Speaker 1: each other. But I might any question for Chris before 1483 01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:47,439 Speaker 1: he leaves. I have fun at the show tonight. Not 1484 01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:51,280 Speaker 1: a question, not a question, any any question again. I 1485 01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:54,559 Speaker 1: think I'm good, Okay, good to see episode two thirty. 1486 01:10:54,800 --> 01:11:00,280 Speaker 1: Follow Chris. I am see Kirkpatrick on Instagram. That's get 1487 01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:01,960 Speaker 1: him so many followers. He gets sponsors and all of 1488 01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:03,840 Speaker 1: a sudden he's got a new way to make revenue. 1489 01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:09,760 Speaker 1: That's the goal. Helps in the kids to school, private school. No, No, 1490 01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,240 Speaker 1: Paul McCartney put his kids in public school. Speaking of 1491 01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:16,360 Speaker 1: Paul McCartney, he was like, I think that was tough decision. 1492 01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:18,240 Speaker 1: But I'm like, no, he's got to go to public school. 1493 01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:20,360 Speaker 1: We were I was leaving at Juice Place today and 1494 01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,439 Speaker 1: there was his kids. Weren't a private school kids. You 1495 01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:25,000 Speaker 1: can tell by their uniforms, and they were like, hey, Bobby. 1496 01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:26,120 Speaker 1: It is like, hey, what's up to go? Do you know? 1497 01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:28,880 Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. Take a picture and then they get 1498 01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:33,679 Speaker 1: in like a BMW SUV. She was like sixteen years 1499 01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,360 Speaker 1: old and gets into BMD and I was like a heartbreaking. 1500 01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:38,720 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so heartbreak right there we go. I am 1501 01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,479 Speaker 1: Chris kark Patt. I am C Kirkpatrick on Instagram. We'll 1502 01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:42,240 Speaker 1: see guys next time.